WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.120 --> 00:00:02.960 Doing a tremendous job for President Trump and America. My 2 00:00:03.000 --> 00:00:05.839 friend Lee Zelden, Lee, good morning, buddy. How are you. 3 00:00:06.799 --> 00:00:08.400 I'm doing fantastic. Good to be with you. 4 00:00:08.800 --> 00:00:10.759 Great to have you always, great to have you, Lee, 5 00:00:10.960 --> 00:00:13.560 And I tell you watching Hokell. I'll get to Hochell 6 00:00:13.599 --> 00:00:16.000 and Blakeman later in this conversation. I've been doing a 7 00:00:16.039 --> 00:00:18.359 lot of traveling, and I talked to Bruce every day, 8 00:00:18.440 --> 00:00:20.960 two or three times a day. But it's funny. It's 9 00:00:21.000 --> 00:00:25.800 funny that she puts this moratorium on data centers, so 10 00:00:25.920 --> 00:00:30.239 folks get ready to have slow Internet and difficulty connecting 11 00:00:30.280 --> 00:00:33.280 on your phone lines and all those things. She puts 12 00:00:33.320 --> 00:00:37.799 a moratorium on data center construction, but yet she has 13 00:00:37.840 --> 00:00:43.799 no issue charging New Yorkers nine dollars for congestion pricing 14 00:00:44.159 --> 00:00:49.079 when the pollution here has not gotten any better. Please 15 00:00:49.159 --> 00:00:50.119 make sense of that. 16 00:00:50.280 --> 00:00:55.280 For me, well, making sense of it is the impossible part. 17 00:00:55.479 --> 00:00:59.000 That's why so many people just haven't given up, and 18 00:00:59.039 --> 00:01:02.359 they sleeve you'll look back. I mean, it's it's bad. 19 00:01:02.399 --> 00:01:04.000 I mean, I remember there was a period of time 20 00:01:04.000 --> 00:01:07.159 where a lot of people, you would maybe they would 21 00:01:07.159 --> 00:01:10.840 head down to Florida for a few months, it's a 22 00:01:10.840 --> 00:01:14.560 seasonal thing. But I mean the way things have gone 23 00:01:14.640 --> 00:01:17.439 over the course of these last several years, people they 24 00:01:17.519 --> 00:01:21.400 looked to the Carolinas, Tennessee, Texas, Florida, they all look 25 00:01:21.519 --> 00:01:24.159 better and they're not looking back. So I mean, this 26 00:01:24.280 --> 00:01:28.560 congestion pricing, it's just another excuse for left wing Albany 27 00:01:28.640 --> 00:01:31.319 Democrats to put their hands in the pocket of New 28 00:01:31.359 --> 00:01:34.480 Yorkers who are already strapped. You know, some folks would say, well, 29 00:01:34.519 --> 00:01:38.400 it's only nine dollars, Well, for one, it's another nine dollars, 30 00:01:38.439 --> 00:01:41.959 and it's hitting the people the hardest who can least 31 00:01:41.959 --> 00:01:45.280 afford it. And for people who have to commute frequently. 32 00:01:45.359 --> 00:01:48.439 This isn't like a you know, nine dollars a year, 33 00:01:48.680 --> 00:01:50.959 nine dollars a month, for even nine dollars a week, 34 00:01:51.079 --> 00:01:54.640 they're having to pay it. And the whole excuse for 35 00:01:54.719 --> 00:01:57.879 it was to make it seem like as if there 36 00:01:57.879 --> 00:02:02.359 were these massive environmental impacts that were going to be positive. 37 00:02:02.719 --> 00:02:05.120 I mean, I said back then, I mean you'd end 38 00:02:05.200 --> 00:02:07.840 up with more truck traffic on the Crossbox Expressway, on 39 00:02:07.879 --> 00:02:11.919 the Staten Island Expressway. But as his new report came 40 00:02:11.960 --> 00:02:14.159 out of the city that we saw on the news 41 00:02:14.199 --> 00:02:18.039 here in recent days. It's not having the environmental impacts 42 00:02:18.039 --> 00:02:20.719 that they promised when they were passing their new excuse 43 00:02:20.759 --> 00:02:23.360 to put their hands in the pocket of cast out 44 00:02:23.400 --> 00:02:26.360 New Yorkers as bs. But no one can make sense 45 00:02:26.400 --> 00:02:30.080 of it. It's nonsensical, it is. 46 00:02:30.199 --> 00:02:32.680 And you know it's funny now when she talks about 47 00:02:32.680 --> 00:02:35.439 how great it is. She talks about reduced traffic, she 48 00:02:35.560 --> 00:02:40.000 talks about public transit improvements. He talks about less traffic, noise, 49 00:02:40.360 --> 00:02:43.120 all that stuff. But like you pointed out, there was 50 00:02:43.159 --> 00:02:46.680 also a promise that the inirquality would be better and 51 00:02:46.759 --> 00:02:49.479 the pollution would be less, and that's not the case. 52 00:02:49.680 --> 00:02:52.919 So all of a sudden, but Kathy Local, it's almost 53 00:02:53.039 --> 00:02:55.080 like that was never part of the equationally. 54 00:02:56.759 --> 00:03:00.000 Yeah, I mean it's like, well, I wouldn't put this way. 55 00:03:00.319 --> 00:03:03.080 No one else does it anywhere else in America. So 56 00:03:03.439 --> 00:03:06.719 is it that, you know, Kathy Oakele's that much of 57 00:03:06.759 --> 00:03:09.039 a genius that she figured something out that no one 58 00:03:09.039 --> 00:03:12.039 else was able to figure out, Or maybe it's a 59 00:03:12.080 --> 00:03:16.120 really stupid idea that even the most left wing governments 60 00:03:16.800 --> 00:03:20.599 all across the entire country, like they all haven't implemented 61 00:03:20.599 --> 00:03:26.240 it because it's so stupid. But you know, maybe there's 62 00:03:26.680 --> 00:03:31.479 no care for those economic impacts. Maybe it's a punishment 63 00:03:32.199 --> 00:03:35.840 for the people who didn't vote for her on Long Island, 64 00:03:36.039 --> 00:03:39.039 the people didn't vote for her north of the city 65 00:03:39.159 --> 00:03:41.719 in the Hudson Valley. You have to community. Maybe she 66 00:03:41.719 --> 00:03:45.599 doesn't care about you know, folks from Jersey or you know, 67 00:03:45.639 --> 00:03:49.919 for for out of state. She wants the money and 68 00:03:49.960 --> 00:03:51.879 they want the money. I mean, you look at how 69 00:03:51.960 --> 00:03:56.599 much New York spends on their budget, and we have 70 00:03:56.759 --> 00:03:59.080 millions of less people than they do in Florida. We 71 00:03:59.120 --> 00:04:04.159 spend more on Medicaid alone, just Medicaid then Florida spends 72 00:04:04.159 --> 00:04:06.520 on their entire state budget. I mean, you look at 73 00:04:06.719 --> 00:04:13.240 education and you have elementary school kids in places like 74 00:04:13.319 --> 00:04:18.040 Mississippi who are scoring better on English language, arts and 75 00:04:18.160 --> 00:04:23.519 mass then you're seeing of elementary school kids in New York. 76 00:04:23.560 --> 00:04:27.000 But we spend what like two three times more per 77 00:04:27.040 --> 00:04:30.879 pupil than they do in Mississippi or Florida. But like 78 00:04:30.959 --> 00:04:33.839 it's all perpartments, and when you look at the metrics 79 00:04:33.839 --> 00:04:36.519 and how they're doing in school, you're getting better outcomes 80 00:04:36.920 --> 00:04:40.319 in places that spends so much less. Why Why is 81 00:04:40.360 --> 00:04:43.720 it that it costs so much to live here, it 82 00:04:43.759 --> 00:04:47.079 costs so much to run a state's budget, and you're 83 00:04:47.199 --> 00:04:49.199 just not getting the outcomes, the results you're looking for, 84 00:04:49.240 --> 00:04:53.120 and it's it's freaking competence. And people are like, you 85 00:04:53.120 --> 00:04:54.920 know what, enough is enough? Now you want to elect 86 00:04:54.920 --> 00:04:58.959 Mendonni to be the New York City mayor. Man, just 87 00:04:58.959 --> 00:05:00.879 what you thought in New York coudn't any worse. 88 00:05:00.959 --> 00:05:05.600 It got worse. And it's not just incompetence. It's corruption too. 89 00:05:05.720 --> 00:05:08.759 I mean, I'm not going to you know, throw out 90 00:05:08.759 --> 00:05:11.439 stuff there that hasn't been proven, but certainly there's a 91 00:05:11.439 --> 00:05:14.040 lot of rumors about Kathy her husband and the money 92 00:05:14.079 --> 00:05:16.800 that the Yes people have made from COVID to you know, 93 00:05:16.959 --> 00:05:21.480 to stadium money he's to. It's corruption, it's incompetence. It's 94 00:05:21.480 --> 00:05:24.399 a whole variety of issues. Why New York Because New York, 95 00:05:24.439 --> 00:05:26.720 as you just kind of pointed out, we don't have 96 00:05:26.759 --> 00:05:31.040 a money problem. We've got a spending problem. That's the issue. Right. 97 00:05:31.120 --> 00:05:33.560 And you mentioned Medicaid. I had doctor oz On at 98 00:05:33.600 --> 00:05:37.720 six point thirty this morning. Okay, he is exposing medicaid 99 00:05:37.879 --> 00:05:41.399 and medicare fraud all over the state. Queens for example, 100 00:05:41.600 --> 00:05:44.680 they got Chinese pharmacies raking in millions and millions of 101 00:05:44.720 --> 00:05:47.480 dollars and no one's getting any medication. I mean, what's 102 00:05:47.519 --> 00:05:50.040 going on in this state. You've done the same thing. 103 00:05:50.439 --> 00:05:53.519 You're the guy that really busted Stacy Abrams way back 104 00:05:53.560 --> 00:05:57.160 when Anthony Desposito, your Long Island buddy. He's done a 105 00:05:57.199 --> 00:06:00.720 great job with the Labor Department exposing fraud too, So 106 00:06:00.920 --> 00:06:05.199 not just congestion pricing, which basically is fraud. The fraud 107 00:06:05.240 --> 00:06:08.360 that you guys are uncovering all over the Trump administration 108 00:06:08.959 --> 00:06:09.560 is amazing. 109 00:06:12.240 --> 00:06:14.800 Yeah. I mean, we came into this position a year 110 00:06:14.839 --> 00:06:16.839 and a half ago and made this one of our 111 00:06:16.879 --> 00:06:20.879 top priorities. We've saved thirty over thirty billion dollars of 112 00:06:20.959 --> 00:06:25.279 canceled grants, canceled media subscriptions, real estate consolidation, staff efficiencies. 113 00:06:25.639 --> 00:06:28.240 We closed up by the EPA museum that almost no 114 00:06:28.240 --> 00:06:31.720 one even knew about her or even no one visited, 115 00:06:32.519 --> 00:06:35.560 and all told, in our first year at an agency 116 00:06:35.600 --> 00:06:38.160 with an annual operating budget of ten billion dollars a year, 117 00:06:38.399 --> 00:06:41.319 we found thirty billion dollars to be able to save. 118 00:06:41.839 --> 00:06:44.480 And the reason why was because in twenty twenty four, 119 00:06:44.519 --> 00:06:46.000 the reason why we were able to save that much 120 00:06:46.040 --> 00:06:48.720 money is because just before we got there in twenty 121 00:06:48.759 --> 00:06:52.199 four they obligated and spent over sixty billion dollars from EPA. 122 00:06:52.279 --> 00:06:54.279 It was more money than they even knew how to spend, 123 00:06:54.959 --> 00:06:57.560 and it was going to well connected friends. You referenced 124 00:06:57.560 --> 00:07:01.120 the Stacy Abrams connected NGL received two billion dollars. There 125 00:07:01.439 --> 00:07:04.680 are eight pass through entities that received twenty billion dollars 126 00:07:05.040 --> 00:07:07.800 in what was called Inflation Reduction Act. It should have 127 00:07:07.800 --> 00:07:11.399 been called the Inflation Expansion Act when Democrats controlled everything, 128 00:07:11.959 --> 00:07:14.920 and it goes to former Obama and Biden officials, former 129 00:07:14.959 --> 00:07:19.399 Democratic donors. They're all passed through entities, they're all getting paid, 130 00:07:19.439 --> 00:07:23.800 they're vig to run their piece of the pie, and 131 00:07:24.360 --> 00:07:27.600 the American taxpayers are getting screwed. So we come in 132 00:07:27.720 --> 00:07:30.879 zero tolerance policy for any waste and abuse. We made 133 00:07:30.920 --> 00:07:34.240 a top priority out of the gate, and I'm proud 134 00:07:34.279 --> 00:07:38.040 of it. And man, you know, like zero tolerance means 135 00:07:38.079 --> 00:07:39.480 like if someone wants to come to me and say, hey, 136 00:07:39.480 --> 00:07:42.399 I have an idea on how to save one thousand dollars, 137 00:07:42.480 --> 00:07:45.839 you have my attention. Because it always pissed me off 138 00:07:45.839 --> 00:07:48.560 in government when you'd have people who may they did 139 00:07:48.680 --> 00:07:51.399 run a federal agency. And you know, you say, well, 140 00:07:51.439 --> 00:07:53.319 I have an idea to save a thousand or one hundred thousand, 141 00:07:53.360 --> 00:07:55.839 or a million or fifty million. It's like, well that's 142 00:07:55.839 --> 00:07:58.279 not enough, Like you don't have my attention. I need. 143 00:07:58.480 --> 00:08:00.959 I only want to save big numbers. Man, I'll save 144 00:08:01.759 --> 00:08:03.519 I'll save it ten dollars if you came to me 145 00:08:03.560 --> 00:08:05.839 with an idea of how we could save money. And 146 00:08:06.360 --> 00:08:09.000 that's what we owed the American taxpayer. And that's the 147 00:08:09.560 --> 00:08:11.600 way that the Trump administration has approached this. 148 00:08:12.399 --> 00:08:14.560 Done a great job, all you guys, starting with you, Lee. 149 00:08:14.600 --> 00:08:17.800 I got to be honest EPA administrator, Lee Zelden. So 150 00:08:18.000 --> 00:08:21.519 you know, the state does all these money issues. And 151 00:08:21.600 --> 00:08:23.480 you know, Lee, as well as anybody, you did a 152 00:08:23.480 --> 00:08:25.759 good job of pointing this out when you ran for governor, 153 00:08:26.199 --> 00:08:29.040 that we have all this gold right under our feet, 154 00:08:29.360 --> 00:08:33.519 all over the state, right gold, and yet this idiotic 155 00:08:33.639 --> 00:08:40.679 governor buys energy, buys energy from Pennsylvania because Pennsylvania is 156 00:08:40.720 --> 00:08:44.200 taking advantage of what they've got and we've got the 157 00:08:44.279 --> 00:08:48.039 same exact thing. Come Onley, what's that all about? 158 00:08:50.519 --> 00:08:52.879 Yeah, listen, I mean this is one of the reasons 159 00:08:52.919 --> 00:08:55.840 is why the word retard's coming back. I mean, we 160 00:08:55.919 --> 00:09:00.200 have so much resource under us in this state, and 161 00:09:00.279 --> 00:09:04.000 you have people who live in New York who like 162 00:09:04.039 --> 00:09:07.240 are in communities that are a low income and that 163 00:09:07.320 --> 00:09:11.559 they're looking across the border into Pennsylvania, where in Pennsylvania 164 00:09:11.559 --> 00:09:14.559 they're tapping into these these supplies, these resources and they're 165 00:09:14.559 --> 00:09:16.799 doing great. And by the way, this isn't just like 166 00:09:16.799 --> 00:09:21.039 a Republican or Democrats thing in Pennsylvania's it's both parties 167 00:09:21.159 --> 00:09:24.639 team together a while ago and said, you know, we 168 00:09:24.720 --> 00:09:27.440 need natural gas. We need it in order to be 169 00:09:27.480 --> 00:09:29.960 able to survive, to thrive. We need reliable baseball power, 170 00:09:30.000 --> 00:09:33.639 we need affordable, affordable energy. We have these resources. It's 171 00:09:33.679 --> 00:09:36.679 important for our economy, it's important for jobs. So they're 172 00:09:36.720 --> 00:09:39.679 tapping into it. But in this state, the energy policy 173 00:09:39.720 --> 00:09:43.720 is so stupid, so stupid. They won't she won't sign 174 00:09:43.759 --> 00:09:47.080 off on the Constitution pipeline to deliver natural guests through 175 00:09:47.120 --> 00:09:50.000 New York and into New England. You know, they won't 176 00:09:50.039 --> 00:09:52.799 reverse the band to extract natural guess, they won't allow 177 00:09:52.840 --> 00:09:56.039 gas look ups on new construction. They say climate goals 178 00:09:56.039 --> 00:09:58.120 that they know that they will not be able to meet. 179 00:09:58.639 --> 00:10:01.039 But they will cause tremendous pain on people can at 180 00:10:01.120 --> 00:10:04.720 least afford it, even trying to make any progress towards 181 00:10:04.759 --> 00:10:08.440 these unrealistic goals. I mean, you look at the energy 182 00:10:08.440 --> 00:10:11.399 policy where you know they're pushing WIN captain Ocal pushes 183 00:10:11.440 --> 00:10:14.080 WIN which is an intermittent source as if it's a 184 00:10:14.120 --> 00:10:16.679 substitute for base load power. And then they want to 185 00:10:16.679 --> 00:10:20.559 throw battery energy storage systems and basically every community all 186 00:10:20.559 --> 00:10:23.360 over the place, even though you're getting all those feedback 187 00:10:23.360 --> 00:10:25.039 from people who just don't want it in the middle 188 00:10:25.039 --> 00:10:28.399 of their residential neighborhood, and all you're getting is the 189 00:10:28.399 --> 00:10:31.960 middle finger from the state upstate saying we don't want 190 00:10:31.960 --> 00:10:36.480 solar farms. Meanwhile, the state is saying, well, you know 191 00:10:36.519 --> 00:10:38.919 we have local control in the state, not local control, 192 00:10:38.960 --> 00:10:42.399 and we're saying you're getting more solar farms. And it 193 00:10:42.759 --> 00:10:44.960 the energy policy in New York. And I've been at 194 00:10:45.039 --> 00:10:47.080 all fifty states, so in all fifty states in my 195 00:10:47.159 --> 00:10:50.399 first nine months as EPA administrator, I've seen the good, 196 00:10:50.480 --> 00:10:53.440 the bad, the ugly of how to do energy policy. 197 00:10:54.039 --> 00:10:56.360 And man, that there's so many red states that have 198 00:10:56.639 --> 00:11:00.480 so much lower energy costs, so much more suppsely. They 199 00:11:00.480 --> 00:11:03.240 don't deal with they don't have to deal with any 200 00:11:03.360 --> 00:11:07.440 brownouts or blackouts on the horizon. And it's all about 201 00:11:07.480 --> 00:11:10.440 good governance. But in New York, Man, this is this 202 00:11:10.519 --> 00:11:12.759 is not a way for you know, for New Yorkers 203 00:11:12.759 --> 00:11:14.799 who don't realize what's going on everywhere else in the 204 00:11:14.840 --> 00:11:17.960 country that you might say, well, maybe this is the norm. 205 00:11:18.279 --> 00:11:21.120 This is not the norm. No, this is the exceptions 206 00:11:21.159 --> 00:11:21.519 the norm. 207 00:11:21.600 --> 00:11:23.600 Now we're the worst. I mean, let's face it, and 208 00:11:23.639 --> 00:11:26.440 will you tell me Lee, because some of this stuff 209 00:11:26.519 --> 00:11:30.559 is a bit complicated. I understand there are some dangers 210 00:11:30.600 --> 00:11:33.480 with data centers, I get it. But overall, if you 211 00:11:33.519 --> 00:11:37.039 know them going in and you prepare the center, so 212 00:11:37.440 --> 00:11:41.879 it's gonna be okay, you can't argue how valuable they are. 213 00:11:42.240 --> 00:11:45.440 Why would she want to stop those from coming up 214 00:11:45.519 --> 00:11:46.279 here in New York. 215 00:11:48.799 --> 00:11:53.120 Most Americans want the United States to win this AI 216 00:11:53.279 --> 00:12:00.440 race against China, and uh. Many Americans have valid questions 217 00:12:00.480 --> 00:12:03.399 they want to ask about data center projects. They're asking 218 00:12:03.559 --> 00:12:06.200 important questions and they should. They want to make sure 219 00:12:06.240 --> 00:12:08.440 that when a data center is built that their bills 220 00:12:08.919 --> 00:12:11.600 are going down, not up. And President Trump has this 221 00:12:11.720 --> 00:12:15.799 ratepayer protection Pledge, which has true made tremendous progress, and 222 00:12:15.840 --> 00:12:18.399 now you're having data center projects being built where it's 223 00:12:18.399 --> 00:12:21.919 providing net benefits the ratepayers as opposed to the opposite. 224 00:12:22.200 --> 00:12:25.559 The second piece is that a lot of Americans want 225 00:12:25.559 --> 00:12:28.919 to make sure that a project is going to be 226 00:12:28.960 --> 00:12:31.399 a net provider onto the grid, not a net taker 227 00:12:31.519 --> 00:12:33.879 from the grid. There's behind the meter work, they're building 228 00:12:34.120 --> 00:12:38.279 their own small modular reactors. They're generating their own energy, 229 00:12:38.320 --> 00:12:41.840 and they're providing power onto the grid more than they're taking. 230 00:12:41.879 --> 00:12:44.879 That's a good question for Americans to ask. And Americans 231 00:12:44.919 --> 00:12:47.240 dosn't want to know about water. I mean, is a 232 00:12:47.320 --> 00:12:49.720 data center going to have a closed loop data center? 233 00:12:50.000 --> 00:12:53.399 Is it going to be one hundred percent recyclable water 234 00:12:54.120 --> 00:12:56.440 or is it going to be continuously tapping into a 235 00:12:56.480 --> 00:13:00.399 water supply. It's good to ask these questions, but to 236 00:13:00.440 --> 00:13:04.360 do a moratorium, you're going to have billion, multi billions 237 00:13:04.360 --> 00:13:06.919 of dollars and tens of billions of dollars in these 238 00:13:06.960 --> 00:13:11.120 projects just going to other states. It's not like, you know, 239 00:13:11.200 --> 00:13:14.480 you put you slap a one year moratorium and in 240 00:13:14.559 --> 00:13:16.799 these data centers and go oh yeah, no, that's that's cool. 241 00:13:16.799 --> 00:13:18.600 We're just going to send our hands and do absolutely 242 00:13:18.639 --> 00:13:21.360 nothing and not go to this other state that actually 243 00:13:21.360 --> 00:13:25.200 wants us. So you're losing out the jobs, the economic benefits, 244 00:13:25.759 --> 00:13:28.879 and and the craziest thing or that you know, you 245 00:13:28.960 --> 00:13:33.639 have people who are on their phone go on a 246 00:13:33.639 --> 00:13:37.200 social media platform saying we should not have any data centers, 247 00:13:37.799 --> 00:13:40.679 like not realizing the irony here of just how much 248 00:13:40.799 --> 00:13:44.159 data centers are required for you to be able to 249 00:13:44.240 --> 00:13:47.919 power your phone and to power that social media platform. 250 00:13:48.360 --> 00:13:50.799 I mean, we have it in our lives, and we 251 00:13:50.879 --> 00:13:53.039 can't lose this race to China. It'll be so much 252 00:13:53.279 --> 00:13:55.679 harder to catch up later if we fell behind. And 253 00:13:55.720 --> 00:13:58.200 thank god that there's only there. I mean, there's one 254 00:13:58.240 --> 00:14:00.879 too many Kathy Hopels as governors of states New York. 255 00:14:00.879 --> 00:14:02.559 But fortunately it's only one out of fifty. 256 00:14:02.679 --> 00:14:05.960 That's it. That's true. Tuma. Let you run here, going 257 00:14:06.000 --> 00:14:09.120 back to the congestion pricing thing, qruitct me if I'm wrong, okay, 258 00:14:09.519 --> 00:14:13.919 but this report on the pollution that hasn't gotten any better, 259 00:14:14.080 --> 00:14:19.159 despite what Kathia Hockel said. Originally, this comes from here 260 00:14:19.559 --> 00:14:21.799 from New York, right. This wasn't put out there by 261 00:14:21.840 --> 00:14:26.600 presiding Trump or Leezeldon. This is New York basically riding 262 00:14:26.639 --> 00:14:27.720 on New York. 263 00:14:27.799 --> 00:14:32.799 Yes, that's exactly what it is. I mean, this is 264 00:14:32.919 --> 00:14:38.440 this is a New York governmental study that's coming out 265 00:14:38.519 --> 00:14:41.600 talking about how it doesn't have the environmental benefits that 266 00:14:41.639 --> 00:14:46.080 were promised. Shockingly, Wow, we're all blown away. I was 267 00:14:46.080 --> 00:14:48.440 saying this four years ago, that it wasn't gonna happen, right, 268 00:14:48.480 --> 00:14:51.159 and then you're gonna have small cars, you know, small 269 00:14:51.279 --> 00:14:55.360 vehicle traffic going through you know, small side streets of 270 00:14:55.879 --> 00:14:58.840 Queens and Brooklyn trying to get routes where they don't 271 00:14:58.879 --> 00:15:00.480 have to take This is what I'll say, four years 272 00:15:00.480 --> 00:15:02.559 ago before one in the place that they would be 273 00:15:02.600 --> 00:15:05.000 going for other routes so they don't have to pay 274 00:15:05.559 --> 00:15:07.879 the fee that you would have all that extra trucks, 275 00:15:07.919 --> 00:15:10.200 all those extra trucks going through Staten Island and the 276 00:15:10.200 --> 00:15:12.840 Bronx Like, this isn't this isn't one of those like 277 00:15:12.960 --> 00:15:15.399 hindsights twenty twenty. You're like, oh man, we shouldn't. We 278 00:15:15.399 --> 00:15:17.759 should have saw it coming. No, of course we saw 279 00:15:17.759 --> 00:15:20.720 it coming. We talked about it then and we're like, 280 00:15:20.960 --> 00:15:22.840 this is a really bad idea. You shouldn't go forward 281 00:15:22.919 --> 00:15:26.159 with it. And you know, damn the torpedoes. They say 282 00:15:26.200 --> 00:15:28.559 they'll they'll go slap their fee and put their hands 283 00:15:28.559 --> 00:15:31.559 in the pockets of hard work in New Yorkers anyway. 284 00:15:32.440 --> 00:15:35.200 And New Yorkers are I mean, they're pissed. Yeah, and 285 00:15:35.240 --> 00:15:38.399 that's why so many have left. And it's said, it's 286 00:15:38.480 --> 00:15:40.240 just it's you know, it said that somebody who loves 287 00:15:40.240 --> 00:15:43.279 the state, who was raised in a state, their families here, 288 00:15:43.360 --> 00:15:46.240 their life is here, and because of these policies out 289 00:15:46.279 --> 00:15:48.840 of Alney like for that reason, they hit their breaking 290 00:15:48.840 --> 00:15:50.159 point they leave. I hate that. 291 00:15:50.240 --> 00:15:52.159 I hate that too, got it. I can't stand talking 292 00:15:52.200 --> 00:15:53.679 to Sean Hannity, and I talked to them about four 293 00:15:53.759 --> 00:15:55.360 times a week. I got to hear every day, when 294 00:15:55.360 --> 00:15:57.279 are you coming to Florida? When are you coming to Florida? 295 00:15:57.320 --> 00:15:59.559 Show them be quiet? Okay, you love Long Island. Long 296 00:15:59.600 --> 00:16:03.039 Island just saw her. But yeah, everybody's leaving and loving 297 00:16:03.039 --> 00:16:06.440 life Nashville, Tennessee. Every daily I see somebody he's moving 298 00:16:06.440 --> 00:16:09.879 to Nashville, Tennessee. So last one, Bruce Blakeman, I know 299 00:16:09.919 --> 00:16:12.360 you love Bruce Soda. Why both Long Island guys. Okay, 300 00:16:12.720 --> 00:16:16.360 so he has actually in a better position than you 301 00:16:16.799 --> 00:16:21.039 because when you ran against Kathy. She was relatively new right, 302 00:16:21.120 --> 00:16:23.159 so yeah, she was doing a lot of the same 303 00:16:23.200 --> 00:16:26.639 things that Cuomo did, and she was making some mistakes. 304 00:16:27.000 --> 00:16:30.360 But Blakeman, Blakeman now has a chance and went against 305 00:16:30.440 --> 00:16:34.360 this lady when now, unlike your race, Lee Zelden, she's 306 00:16:34.399 --> 00:16:38.799 got years of mistakes that he can jump on. How 307 00:16:38.879 --> 00:16:39.879 lucky is he? Right? 308 00:16:41.559 --> 00:16:45.360 Yeah, I mean there are people in politics where you know, 309 00:16:45.559 --> 00:16:48.360 they just aren't known, and if they're known, then people 310 00:16:48.440 --> 00:16:50.759 will like them, but they have to get their name out. 311 00:16:51.120 --> 00:16:53.879 And then there are people in politics where as more 312 00:16:53.919 --> 00:16:56.759 and more people become familiar with you, the more people 313 00:16:56.840 --> 00:16:59.639 realize that you need to go, like you're not good, 314 00:17:00.039 --> 00:17:03.399 you need to leave. And that's the reality that you 315 00:17:03.519 --> 00:17:05.920 have right now in the in the state. I mean, 316 00:17:06.000 --> 00:17:09.440 like every single New Yorker you could ask them, like, 317 00:17:09.519 --> 00:17:12.400 what's what's your breaking point in the state? Low income, 318 00:17:12.440 --> 00:17:15.200 middle income, high income. You could be from the city, 319 00:17:15.240 --> 00:17:17.880 a suburb, rural New York. You ask everyone like, what's 320 00:17:17.880 --> 00:17:20.839 your breaking point in New York? They've thought about it, 321 00:17:20.839 --> 00:17:24.319 it's crazy, Like you'll get a detailed answer like why 322 00:17:24.519 --> 00:17:27.279 why why do you think about this? What? Why is 323 00:17:27.319 --> 00:17:30.240 that your breaking point? And there and it all gets 324 00:17:30.279 --> 00:17:32.920 back to the same thing. It's just the policies of 325 00:17:32.960 --> 00:17:38.079 the state. They feel restricted. Freedom. Economic freedom is freedom, 326 00:17:38.359 --> 00:17:41.519 you know, with with regards to their physical safety freedom, 327 00:17:41.759 --> 00:17:44.319 you know, going back and thinking of you know, pictures 328 00:17:44.319 --> 00:17:47.680 of Kathy Jkle wearing you know, not wearing masks, you know, 329 00:17:47.720 --> 00:17:49.920 standing with four year olds that did have to wear 330 00:17:50.000 --> 00:17:53.440 masks during COVID, right, you know, because of because of 331 00:17:53.480 --> 00:17:58.039 these pursuits, you know, people are have just they've realized 332 00:17:58.240 --> 00:18:01.759 what is causing this to come of the state. And 333 00:18:02.039 --> 00:18:04.720 the more people get that, which has happened now over 334 00:18:04.720 --> 00:18:06.839 the course of these last few years, the more people 335 00:18:06.839 --> 00:18:08.880 are like, you know, it's not like, oh, I know, 336 00:18:08.960 --> 00:18:10.720 you know, I know her now, like hey, this is 337 00:18:10.759 --> 00:18:13.359 great and comfortable whether her you know, she's my governor 338 00:18:13.480 --> 00:18:17.200 have a lot of pride. It's it's like, man, we 339 00:18:17.480 --> 00:18:19.720 need to do a heck of a lot better than this. 340 00:18:20.640 --> 00:18:23.440 And a lot of folks left New York before I 341 00:18:23.559 --> 00:18:26.359 ran because they had enough. A lot of people left 342 00:18:26.359 --> 00:18:29.440 New York right after I ran. They're like, man, this, 343 00:18:29.839 --> 00:18:31.599 you know, this is just going to continue to get worse. 344 00:18:32.279 --> 00:18:34.799 You know. Fortunately, there's still you know a bunch of 345 00:18:34.799 --> 00:18:36.960 people who are still here and you can make a difference. 346 00:18:37.559 --> 00:18:40.079 But doesn't happen on its own. I mean, folks, need 347 00:18:40.440 --> 00:18:42.200 you need to show up and make it happen, and 348 00:18:42.759 --> 00:18:44.799 you can't just expect everyone else to do it for you. 349 00:18:45.039 --> 00:18:47.960 It's exhausting. Just trust me, Lee, Okay, it's much easier 350 00:18:47.960 --> 00:18:50.400 to go to the beach in Hollendale today. It's exhausting. 351 00:18:50.960 --> 00:18:53.599 But Man, I love talking to you, I really do you. 352 00:18:53.599 --> 00:18:57.920 You're so fantastic epa administrator. You're a great politician here. 353 00:18:57.920 --> 00:19:00.440 You're always going to be a great, great, great great Yorker, 354 00:19:00.519 --> 00:19:01.960 and I just love talking to you. 355 00:19:02.000 --> 00:19:02.160 Man. 356 00:19:02.160 --> 00:19:03.799 I'm so proud of you. What a great job. Thank 357 00:19:03.839 --> 00:19:04.440 you so much. 358 00:19:05.519 --> 00:19:06.920 Thanks San, It's always good to be man. 359 00:19:07.039 --> 00:19:09.039 You two families, good by the way, your wife, your daughters, 360 00:19:09.039 --> 00:19:09.759 everybody's good. 361 00:19:10.319 --> 00:19:12.599 Girls are girls are heading back to their third year 362 00:19:12.640 --> 00:19:15.799 of school and you know, still having scored to Peter 363 00:19:15.880 --> 00:19:19.319 Luger's invite, so you know, keep it all in all 364 00:19:19.359 --> 00:19:22.079 on perspective, yep. Although I'll never I'll never let you 365 00:19:22.119 --> 00:19:24.920 live down. The very first time I did an interview 366 00:19:25.359 --> 00:19:27.680 with the great Sid Rosenberg, and it was Bernie and 367 00:19:27.720 --> 00:19:31.319 Sid yep, And right before I came on air, you 368 00:19:31.440 --> 00:19:34.400 were saying, you know a couple of unkind things about 369 00:19:34.400 --> 00:19:37.599 Shirley and Mastic. Where it Where is my hometown? And 370 00:19:37.599 --> 00:19:39.839 then I come on air and then you ask me 371 00:19:39.880 --> 00:19:43.839 where I'm from, and I tell you I'm sure. And 372 00:19:43.960 --> 00:19:46.920 for all those listeners out there who were like, why 373 00:19:46.960 --> 00:19:50.720 does why did sid Rosenberg always call Zelda in the 374 00:19:50.759 --> 00:19:53.640 Pride of Shirley Long Island, you have to be you 375 00:19:53.640 --> 00:19:57.119 have to be such a hardcore, longtime sid Rosenberg listener 376 00:19:57.160 --> 00:19:59.640 that you know of the very first time I came 377 00:19:59.680 --> 00:20:02.039 on Backstory, which was just freaking hilarious. 378 00:20:02.079 --> 00:20:05.039 That is because my uncle Leon and an Cynthia lived 379 00:20:05.079 --> 00:20:07.160 in Shirley. We lived in Brooklyn. First of all, it 380 00:20:07.160 --> 00:20:09.559 took like five hours to get there, okay, And second 381 00:20:09.559 --> 00:20:11.880 of all, it looked a little rough. And let's be honest, 382 00:20:12.319 --> 00:20:15.240 your girls are doing homework one night there were gunshots outside. 383 00:20:15.279 --> 00:20:17.160 I mean to remind you of that, Okay, but I 384 00:20:17.240 --> 00:20:20.279 know it's a true story. But yes, I used to 385 00:20:20.359 --> 00:20:23.640 make moune of Shirley and call you the Pride of Shirley. 386 00:20:23.839 --> 00:20:25.519 But it does seem like, you know, Bruce does a 387 00:20:25.519 --> 00:20:27.839 great job in Nashau County. That ed roal Main and 388 00:20:27.839 --> 00:20:29.599 those folks are doing a very good job in Suffolk 389 00:20:29.640 --> 00:20:30.680 County too, Yes. 390 00:20:32.279 --> 00:20:35.440 No doubt. I mean Long Island is I mean that 391 00:20:35.880 --> 00:20:38.799 is where I'm born, born and raised, and you know, 392 00:20:38.839 --> 00:20:41.559 they had their challenges, just like everywhere else in the country. 393 00:20:41.599 --> 00:20:44.160 But I mean there's a reason why when President Trump 394 00:20:44.240 --> 00:20:47.759 was in Nassau County, you were hearing statements about how 395 00:20:47.960 --> 00:20:52.599 people will not rest working inside this Trump administration until 396 00:20:52.640 --> 00:20:56.559 every county is as safe as Nasau County. And you know, 397 00:20:56.680 --> 00:20:59.519 same thing goes. You know with regards to Long Island 398 00:20:59.559 --> 00:21:03.279 as a whole, you have confident leadership in both counties 399 00:21:03.680 --> 00:21:06.039 and U Yeah, so everything that we're saying about Kathy 400 00:21:06.039 --> 00:21:08.880 Hogle or man Donnie out of the city should be 401 00:21:09.359 --> 00:21:12.559