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<v Speaker 1>Welcome back to the Path Went Chile for part two

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<v Speaker 1>of our series about the disappearance of Frederick Vlentage. Robin,

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<v Speaker 1>do you want to catch everyone up on what we

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<v Speaker 1>talked about in our previous episode?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, this is a special Halloween themed episode because part

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<v Speaker 2>one just happened to be released on October the thirty first,

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<v Speaker 2>and we decided to cover it because it has a

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<v Speaker 2>UFO angle to it. And the case also took place

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<v Speaker 2>on October the twenty first, nineteen seventy eight, which just

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<v Speaker 2>happens to be my birth date, so it probably means

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<v Speaker 2>I was prettydestined to grow up with an interest in

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<v Speaker 2>unsolved mysteries. But it takes place in Australia and Frederick

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<v Speaker 2>Valenticho was a twenty one year old pilot who lived

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<v Speaker 2>in Melbourne and was going on a trip across Bass

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<v Speaker 2>Strait on a Sezna one eighty two aircraft before he

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<v Speaker 2>suddenly vanished without a trace, and during his final radio

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<v Speaker 2>transmission with an air traffic controller, his last words work

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<v Speaker 2>quote it's hovering and it's not an aircraft, which was

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<v Speaker 2>followed by these strange metallic sounds, and after that Valentage

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<v Speaker 2>vanished without a trace. So since they gotta find him

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<v Speaker 2>or his plane. Speculation started to run wild that perhaps

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<v Speaker 2>he could have been kidnapped by a UFO because there

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<v Speaker 2>were other sightings from independent eyewitnesses in the area that

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<v Speaker 2>night who reported seeing strange lights in the sky, and

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<v Speaker 2>there was even a photographer who thought that he captured

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<v Speaker 2>an unidentified flying object on camera flying around in the

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<v Speaker 2>area where Valentage went missing. So they've analyzed this case

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<v Speaker 2>for the past forty years and there's been speculation that

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<v Speaker 2>if Valentage was suicidal or something, he could have staged

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<v Speaker 2>his disappear apearance in order to make anyone believe that

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<v Speaker 2>he was abducted by the UFO. But to this day,

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<v Speaker 2>they've never found him or any plane wreckage to prove

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<v Speaker 2>that he crashed. So he's officially still considered to be

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<v Speaker 2>missing and we don't know what happened to him. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>like I just said, since this is the first UFO

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<v Speaker 2>case we've ever covered on the path with Chile, this

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<v Speaker 2>is going to be an interesting analysis. It would be

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<v Speaker 2>so easy to just cry out aliens as the explanation

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<v Speaker 2>for Valentage's disappearance and leave it at that, but that's

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<v Speaker 2>not what this podcast is about, so we're going to

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<v Speaker 2>try and figure out the most logical explanation for what happened.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course, one of the biggest obstacles you'll face when

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<v Speaker 2>researching UFO stories or anything paranormal for that matter, is

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<v Speaker 2>figuring out how reliable the sources are. When you delve

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<v Speaker 2>into this case. Online, you're going to find some articles

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<v Speaker 2>which one hundred percent believed that Valentage was abductive by

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<v Speaker 2>a UFO, and some of the theories are pretty out there.

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<v Speaker 2>One of the craziest stories I found, which was on

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<v Speaker 2>a blog, which claimed that in nineteen eighty two, Apsole

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<v Speaker 2>was discovered near the Soviet Union China border containing a

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<v Speaker 2>plate with a written message from Frederick Valentich who said

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<v Speaker 2>he had been captured by aliens so they could recruit

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<v Speaker 2>him to become a pilot for one of their aircrafts. Okay, then, well,

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<v Speaker 2>if this story was true, then those aliens must have

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<v Speaker 2>had some pretty rotten luck with selecting their candidates, because,

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<v Speaker 2>as we're about to share with you, Frederick Valentiche was

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<v Speaker 2>a pretty mediocre pilot at best, so they probably would

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<v Speaker 2>have been better off abducting someone a lot more qualified.

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<v Speaker 2>Needless to say, there are no credible official sources out

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<v Speaker 2>there for this story about the capsule and the plate,

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<v Speaker 2>so I'm just going to ignore it. But the big

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<v Speaker 2>advantage with analyzing this case as opposed to many other

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<v Speaker 2>UFO stories is the discovery in twenty twelve of the

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<v Speaker 2>digital version of the government file on Valentage's disappearance and

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<v Speaker 2>the National Archives of Australia. It's pretty much been a

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<v Speaker 2>godsend for researchers as it contains official documentation and original

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<v Speaker 2>newspaper articles about the case. So we have lots of

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<v Speaker 2>credible stories which can simply focus on the facts rather

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<v Speaker 2>than wild conspiracy theories.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, unless you have this idea of this plate in

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<v Speaker 3>the capsule that's actually in that digital version of the

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<v Speaker 3>government file, I would also have to disregard something that

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<v Speaker 3>sounds a little bit crazy, the fact that they would say, hey,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, this is Frederick and I've been captured so

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<v Speaker 3>that I can be a pilot for this alien spacecraft.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm assuming you didn't see pictures of this or that's

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<v Speaker 3>not documented in the government file.

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<v Speaker 2>Correct, No, I read the whole thing when I covered

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<v Speaker 2>this on the Trail and Cold years ago. There is

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<v Speaker 2>nothing about that in there, and the only source is

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<v Speaker 2>this blog.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I'll disregard that too, then, But when you do

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<v Speaker 3>talk about this case, one of the things that I've

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<v Speaker 3>been thinking about since we recorded part one was that

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<v Speaker 3>there were so many bizarre things that happened in this case,

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<v Speaker 3>which I'm sure we'll dive back into in part two.

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<v Speaker 3>But one of the things that blows my mind is

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<v Speaker 3>that he really is on a radio transmission at the

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<v Speaker 3>time he disappears, that he saw this spacecraft, and that

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<v Speaker 3>it's not an aviation vehicle, it's not something like that,

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<v Speaker 3>it's a bizarre flying object. And then it just goes silent,

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<v Speaker 3>and I might question it except for the fact that

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<v Speaker 3>there's other people who validate this experience as well. They

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<v Speaker 3>say they saw this object floating in the air. And

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<v Speaker 3>then you have to look at Frederick's other parts of

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<v Speaker 3>the story, where he is supposed to be on this

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<v Speaker 3>flight to a certain destination, but the destination never knew

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<v Speaker 3>he was coming. He was also supposed to meet his

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<v Speaker 3>wife in a time that would not have allowed him

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<v Speaker 3>to make the trip he said he was going to make,

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<v Speaker 3>and so there's so many conflicting stories. UFO is exciting

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<v Speaker 3>and interesting and very intriguing because of that radio transmission.

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<v Speaker 3>But then there's some other storylines that I'm hoping we

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<v Speaker 3>get into in part two because they've been on my mind.

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<v Speaker 3>Where was he going? Why didn't he tell the truth

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<v Speaker 3>in the first place? Why didn't an anyone really know

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<v Speaker 3>the plan? I'm dying to find those things zone.

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<v Speaker 1>And if this was a setup? Like what kind of

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<v Speaker 1>luck did he have that other people would have seen

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<v Speaker 1>this unidentified flying object in the air at the same

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<v Speaker 1>time that he was on the radio with radio operator

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<v Speaker 1>and calling it in, Like, what are the chances that

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<v Speaker 1>that would happen if you were planning to leave your

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<v Speaker 1>life and start a new life or something that you

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<v Speaker 1>would just happen upon luck like that?

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<v Speaker 2>That is true. I mean, this story might not have

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<v Speaker 2>had the same impact if it wasn't for the independent

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<v Speaker 2>eyewitnesses who reported seeing lights in the sky that night.

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<v Speaker 2>And Ashley is correct that this has several mysteries within

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<v Speaker 2>a mystery, because even if you disregard his disappearance, there's

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of things about Valentage's story which don't add

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<v Speaker 2>up because he said he was flying to a certain airport,

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<v Speaker 2>even though they claimed they had no idea he was

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<v Speaker 2>coming and did not even turn the lights on that night,

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<v Speaker 2>and like, he promised to meet his girlfriend, even though

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<v Speaker 2>if you time the amount of time it would take

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<v Speaker 2>for him who fly to this location and fly back,

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<v Speaker 2>there's no way he would have made it in time

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<v Speaker 2>to meet her at their scheduled points. So it still

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<v Speaker 2>makes you wonder, like, what more is there to this

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<v Speaker 2>story and why did he go out there that night?

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<v Speaker 1>So before we delve into any theories, we need to

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<v Speaker 1>provide some backstory about Frederick Valentich's aviation career. Long story short,

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<v Speaker 1>it was not great. It sounds like flying was Valentage's

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<v Speaker 1>number one passion and that he really didn't want to

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<v Speaker 1>do anything else. But unfortunately for him, he was just

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<v Speaker 1>not very adept at it. He'd applied to enlist in

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<v Speaker 1>the Royal Australian Air Force on two separate occasions, but

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<v Speaker 1>was rejected because of inadequate education qualifications. Becoming a commercial

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<v Speaker 1>airline pilot was his backup plan, but he wasn't having

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<v Speaker 1>much luck at that either. On two separate occasions, he

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<v Speaker 1>failed all five commercial license examination subjects. Just one month

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<v Speaker 1>before he went missing, he failed three more commercial license

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<v Speaker 1>exam subjects, and it turned out the Valentage had been

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<v Speaker 1>lying to his family, girlfriend, and several other people about

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<v Speaker 1>passing these exams. If that wasn't enough, Valentage had some

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<v Speaker 1>black marks on his flying record, as he'd received a

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<v Speaker 1>warning on one occasion for flying into a controlled zone

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<v Speaker 1>in Sydney. Not only that, but there were two separate

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<v Speaker 1>incidents in which Valentage deliberately flew into a cloud, an

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<v Speaker 1>offense so egregious that he was potentially facing criminal prosecution.

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<v Speaker 1>Since Valentage's prospects of an aviation career seemed to be

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<v Speaker 1>going down in the toilet, there was a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>speculation that he could have staged his disappearance in order

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<v Speaker 1>to go off and start a new life somewhere, or

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<v Speaker 1>even staged a very elaborate suicide by deliberately crashing his

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<v Speaker 1>plane into the water. Due to Valentage's well documented fascination

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<v Speaker 1>with UFOs, it was easy for some people to believe

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<v Speaker 1>that his final radio transmission could have been a hoax

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<v Speaker 1>for the purposes of making the world believe that he'd

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<v Speaker 1>been abducted by aliens.

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<v Speaker 3>I was wondering that too when we talked about Frederick's intro.

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<v Speaker 3>It wasn't just aviation. He had an obsession with UFOs,

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<v Speaker 3>and I believe he had even told a friend or

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<v Speaker 3>talked about this idea that it would be wild to

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<v Speaker 3>be abducted by an alien, or that he was welcoming

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<v Speaker 3>a trip to meet aliens. And so if that is

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<v Speaker 3>the case, it does seem very bizarre that you know, yes,

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<v Speaker 3>he would be someone who's open to it, So could

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<v Speaker 3>that open a portal to access him? Maybe, But it's

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<v Speaker 3>almost as bizarre as if you know, you look at

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<v Speaker 3>us and we do a homicide podcast and god forbid,

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<v Speaker 3>one of us ended up murdered. It's like, what are

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<v Speaker 3>the chances that someone with such an isolated passion ends

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<v Speaker 3>up a victim of that or engaged in that. It's

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<v Speaker 3>just very odd. Part of me wondered was this something

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<v Speaker 3>to make him a big deal in the UFO realm

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<v Speaker 3>because he was so fascinated with it.

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<v Speaker 2>It is interesting that he had such a fascination for

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<v Speaker 2>the subject, because I've seen so many stories about people

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<v Speaker 2>who acclaimant who have seen a UFO or a close

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<v Speaker 2>encounter with a UFO, would claim. Before this incident happened

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<v Speaker 2>to me, I was a complete skeptic. I did not

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<v Speaker 2>believe that UFO's Raeliens existed, but this whole event changed

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<v Speaker 2>my mind. But Valentiche is pretty much the polar opposite

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<v Speaker 2>of that, where he had a devout interest in UFOs,

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<v Speaker 2>and we even talked on a last episode that six

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<v Speaker 2>days he went before he went missing, he told his girlfriend,

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<v Speaker 2>if the UFO landed right in front of me, I

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<v Speaker 2>would not go in without you, which was intended to

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<v Speaker 2>be romantic. So it is weird that this would happen

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<v Speaker 2>just so soon after he expressed this fascination about leaving

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<v Speaker 2>the planet with aliens. The fact that Valentis was clearly

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<v Speaker 2>lying about the details of his trip to King Island

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<v Speaker 2>also added more fuel to this stage disappearance theory. He

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<v Speaker 2>told conflicting stories about why he was making this trip

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<v Speaker 2>and never told King Island Airport about his arrival, which

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<v Speaker 2>seemed to suggest that Valentaice never had any intention of

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<v Speaker 2>landing there. At the time of Valentage's final transmission, he

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<v Speaker 2>would have had enough fuel in his tanks to travel

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<v Speaker 2>an additional eight hundred kilometers oh it was in his

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<v Speaker 2>flight plan. There's still some debate about whether Valentage was

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<v Speaker 2>actually near Cape Otway when he went missing, as this

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<v Speaker 2>was uncontrolled airspace, so his plane didn't actually show up

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<v Speaker 2>on radar. There was also a lighthouse keeper in Cape

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<v Speaker 2>Outway at that time who should have been directly under

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<v Speaker 2>Valentage's flight path, but he did not recall seeing or

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<v Speaker 2>hearing any aircraft that night. But as intriguing as the

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<v Speaker 2>stage disappearance theory is this case generated so much publicity

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<v Speaker 2>that if Valentage was alive, I think some sort of

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<v Speaker 2>evidence would have surfaced to support that during these past

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<v Speaker 2>four decades. And even if Valentice himself managed to disappear successfully,

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<v Speaker 2>what happened to the Cessna one E two? Unless he

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<v Speaker 2>somehow deliberately crashed the plane into the water and swam

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<v Speaker 2>to safety. I just don't know how he could have

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<v Speaker 2>has ever been found. This seems like a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>complicated planning for a twenty year old who no insult intended,

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<v Speaker 2>was not exactly known for being a super genius.

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<v Speaker 3>And you have to remember he's not actually noted as

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<v Speaker 3>a small plane, it seems like the risk of death

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<v Speaker 3>would be so significant that could he really master a

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<v Speaker 3>water landing and then make it to sure. It seems

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<v Speaker 3>very odd that no one would see him. Seems very

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<v Speaker 3>odd he wouldn't die in that attempt. It also seems

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<v Speaker 3>bizarre that if he did land elsewhere, that no one

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<v Speaker 3>a water landing, successfully get the plane to disappear, and

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<v Speaker 3>successfully swim to Shora just seems a little bit too elaborate.

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<v Speaker 1>All that being said, however, we wouldn't be one hundred

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<v Speaker 1>percent against the idea of Valentage fabricating the details about

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<v Speaker 1>the hovering object during his final radio transmission. Remember, this

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<v Speaker 1>incident was only a year removed from the release of

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<v Speaker 1>Steven Spielberg's Close Encounters of the Third Kind, one of

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<v Speaker 1>the biggest Hollywood blockbusters of all time, so UFOs were

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<v Speaker 1>definitely a hot topic. In fact, Star Wars also came

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<v Speaker 1>out the previous year, so sci fi in general was

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<v Speaker 1>red hot at that time. Several years ago, the Skeptoid

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<v Speaker 1>podcast released an episode about this case, and the host,

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<v Speaker 1>Brian Dunning played audio from a very famous scene in

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<v Speaker 1>Close Encounters of the third kind, where an air traffic

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<v Speaker 1>controller speaks with some commercial airline pilots who believe they've

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<v Speaker 1>encountered a UFO. When you compare the dialogue in that

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<v Speaker 1>scene to Valentich's conversation with Steve Robi, there are a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of similarities. It's been established that Valentie you did

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<v Speaker 1>see Close Encounters, So if he wanted to give off

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<v Speaker 1>the false impression that he was being abducted by a UFO,

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<v Speaker 1>perhaps he harkened back to his memories of that scene

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<v Speaker 1>in order to decide what to say. If Valentice really

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<v Speaker 1>was planning on suicide and he felt that creating an

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<v Speaker 1>impression was the best possible way to go out in

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<v Speaker 1>a blaze of glory, as the mystery surrounding his disappearance

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<v Speaker 1>would ensure that he'd be remembered forever. I know that

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<v Speaker 1>they've conducted an extensive investigation into Valentic's background, and everyone

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<v Speaker 1>who knew him did not believe that he ever would

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<v Speaker 1>have considered suicide. But it's fairly common for people who

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<v Speaker 1>show no obvious suicidal tendencies to shock everyone by going

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<v Speaker 1>through with it. If Valentage's failure to achieve his dream

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<v Speaker 1>of becoming a successful pilot was too much for him.

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<v Speaker 1>Who's to say that that wouldn't have motivated him to

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<v Speaker 1>take his own life.

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<v Speaker 3>Or could he have been struggling with some kind of

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<v Speaker 3>mental health issue because he gets in this plane and

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<v Speaker 3>is flying. He's doing reckless things earlier on in his career,

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<v Speaker 3>where he's flying into a cloud where he's not he's

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<v Speaker 3>flying into controlled areas without permission, all these different things

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<v Speaker 3>that kind of show this instability and irresponsibility when he's.

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<v Speaker 1>Flying impulse control issues.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, absolutely, So I'm wondering is it possible that he

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<v Speaker 3>gets in this plane, he has this plan where he's

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<v Speaker 3>going to he doesn't contact anybody because he's irresponsible, and

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<v Speaker 3>then he's just having this kind of mental health breakdown

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<v Speaker 3>in the middle of it, saying that he experiences that

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<v Speaker 3>he's in the middle of this movie basically that he's

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<v Speaker 3>just seen and then really does go down and is deceased.

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<v Speaker 3>Maybe intentional or not intentional, but he could have been

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<v Speaker 3>delusional at the time and kind of putting himself in

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<v Speaker 3>that movie scene as reality because I've seen that before

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<v Speaker 3>with mental health breakdowns, or someone's creating a false reality

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<v Speaker 3>putting themselves in some parallel world that they've witnessed before,

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<v Speaker 3>and so that's the possibility as well.

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely, And you can see the pattern of deceit where

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<v Speaker 1>he's telling his level ones, he's lies as well, and

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<v Speaker 1>that can belendicative. Obviously we're not diagnosing him, but it

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<v Speaker 1>could be indicative of like a cluster B disorder, some

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<v Speaker 1>type of personality disorder, or it could just be I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not saying he's a pathological liar. I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>his behavior and other circumstances, but I mean actually brought

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<v Speaker 1>that up, that he's doing things that are reckless and

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<v Speaker 1>things that are definitely showing poor impulse control, which could

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<v Speaker 1>be a hallmark of many different disorders. I have bipolar

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<v Speaker 1>two and ADHD. Both of those have poor impulse control

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<v Speaker 1>patterns associated with them. So there's a lot of others

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<v Speaker 1>as well. But I think it's a very valid point

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<v Speaker 1>that you bring up, Ashley. It's very possible that it

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't just like, oh, I've decided that I'm going to

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<v Speaker 1>end my own life. It could be predicated by him

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<v Speaker 1>suffering from some type of mental health disorder. How old

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<v Speaker 1>was he again, Robin twenty years old, I mean that

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<v Speaker 1>could be right in line with what could be a

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<v Speaker 1>typical onset of a lot of different psychiatric disorders. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>if it was like a cluster B disorder, this would

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<v Speaker 1>have been far earlier. But we don't know all of

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<v Speaker 1>that information, so that's really interesting.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, and this is nineteen seventy eight in Australia,

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<v Speaker 2>so they're probably not going to be diagnosing things like that.

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<v Speaker 2>And you're right, it could have been a non planned

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<v Speaker 2>thing where he just impossibly went on a decided to

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<v Speaker 2>go on a flight because he may have known that

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<v Speaker 2>I could lose my license, my days of being able

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<v Speaker 2>to fly your numbers, So let's go on this joy

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<v Speaker 2>ride and maybe look for some UFOs or something, and

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<v Speaker 2>then something wound up going horribly wrong. The one red

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<v Speaker 2>flag you really cannot ignore is Valentage's personal obsession with UFOs.

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<v Speaker 2>Like I said earlier, I've seen a lot of interviews

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<v Speaker 2>with people who claim to have had a UFO encounter,

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<v Speaker 2>and they'law often say they used to be a complete

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<v Speaker 2>skeptic and never believed in UFOs until they personally saw one.

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<v Speaker 2>But that philosophy wouldn't apply to Valentage. Hypothetically, if aliens

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<v Speaker 2>did come to Earth and abducted Valentage, it seems like

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<v Speaker 2>one hell of a coincidence that they managed to select

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<v Speaker 2>someone with a devout interest in the subject, who mentioned

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<v Speaker 2>the possibility of encountering a UFO to his girlfriend only

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<v Speaker 2>six days earlier. Remember he told her quote, if a

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<v Speaker 2>UFO landed in front of me right now, I would

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<v Speaker 2>go in it, but never without you. End quote. I

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<v Speaker 2>think think he actually thought that was some sort of

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<v Speaker 2>romantic line. So it's easy to see why a guy

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<v Speaker 2>like this might be compelled to fabricate a hoax. But

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<v Speaker 2>unlike many other famous incidents where people claim to have

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<v Speaker 2>been abducted by extraterrestrials, Biledgage disappeared and never returned. So,

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<v Speaker 2>assuming he wasn't planning suicide, could Bledgig have staged the

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<v Speaker 2>radio transmission because he was planning to disappear for a

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<v Speaker 2>few days before he returned to share a fantastic story

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<v Speaker 2>about how he'd been abducted by aliens. If this was

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<v Speaker 2>his attention, something could have gone wrong and caused his

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<v Speaker 2>plane to crash, so he never got a chance to

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<v Speaker 2>make it that far. Well. In Beledgig's defense, Steve Roby

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<v Speaker 2>has always maintained that he thought Valentage sounded genuinely perturbed

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<v Speaker 2>during his final radio transmission and did not believe he

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<v Speaker 2>was orchestrating a hoax. And the reason you can't be

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<v Speaker 2>wanted to persent skeptical about the UFO angle is because

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<v Speaker 2>there are independent eye witnesses who could corroborate seeing strange

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<v Speaker 2>things in the area that night. Of course you'll see

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<v Speaker 2>differing accounts from different sources. Is about whether people were

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<v Speaker 2>seeing things in the sky before or after Baluntache's disappearance

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<v Speaker 2>made the news, But it sounds like a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>these witnesses reported seeing a fast moving white light, and

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<v Speaker 2>during newspaper articles from that time period, the Mount Stromlow

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<v Speaker 2>Observatory confirmed this was a peak time period for a

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<v Speaker 2>meteorite storm and that they were averaging ten to fifty

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<v Speaker 2>meteorite sightings that night. So maybe this is what many

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<v Speaker 2>of the witnesses actually saw.

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<v Speaker 3>That's one of the things I was going to ask,

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<v Speaker 3>is when you have these people coming forward and saying, hey,

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<v Speaker 3>we also saw this hovering craft that didn't seem like

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<v Speaker 3>an airplane.

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<v Speaker 2>Was it?

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<v Speaker 3>After the disappearance and after this was a big story

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<v Speaker 3>because while there's multiple family members validating it in one case,

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<v Speaker 3>and you have other people coming forward as well. If

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<v Speaker 3>it was after this story hit the news, it's very

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<v Speaker 3>possible that these people wanted to be part of the story,

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<v Speaker 3>and whether they genuinely saw something or not, they were

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<v Speaker 3>kind of informed via the news of what they had

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<v Speaker 3>seen or possibly seen, and once that idea got in

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<v Speaker 3>their head, oh this could have been a UFO. While

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<v Speaker 3>we saw a UFO. Wow, we're going to be part

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<v Speaker 3>of this case. It kind of takes on a life

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<v Speaker 3>of its own. If the reports came after his disappearance

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<v Speaker 3>hit the news, well.

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<v Speaker 2>We do know that most of the reports came out

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<v Speaker 2>after his disappearance made the news, And in a moment,

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<v Speaker 2>we're going to talk about a guy named Ken Hansen

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<v Speaker 2>who did not come forward until years after the fact, which,

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<v Speaker 2>on what hand, could cause you to question his credibility,

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<v Speaker 2>but on the other hand, makes it sound like he's

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<v Speaker 2>not someone who wanted to get immediate attention and notoriety

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<v Speaker 2>about the whole thing. But I'm sure there were some

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<v Speaker 2>people who may have seen it and forgotten about it

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<v Speaker 2>and just did not realize the significance because maybe by

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<v Speaker 2>the time Bilnta's disappearance made the news. They had forgotten

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<v Speaker 2>about what they saw, and not to.

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<v Speaker 1>Be pedantic, but what do we think are the chances

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<v Speaker 1>that these people are going to be able to conflate

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<v Speaker 1>a UFO citing that they say is hovering with a meteorite,

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<v Speaker 1>like a meteorite is going to move it like with

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<v Speaker 1>a very specific trajectory and it's not going to hover.

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<v Speaker 2>That is true, like the siding from ken Hansen talks

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<v Speaker 2>specifically about a green light hovering, and I don't think

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<v Speaker 2>many meteorites are going to look like a green light.

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<v Speaker 1>However, the one sighting which needs to be addressed is

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<v Speaker 1>the one that Robin just mentioned from ken Hansen, because

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<v Speaker 1>he specifically claimed that he saw green light in the sky,

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<v Speaker 1>which would match the description the Valentage gave during his

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<v Speaker 1>radio transmission. It's true that Hanson never went public with

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<v Speaker 1>this sighting until years after Valentich's account of the green

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<v Speaker 1>light was already public knowledge, But apparently on the morning

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<v Speaker 1>after the incident, Hanson mentioned the green light to his coworkers,

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<v Speaker 1>and at that point the details of Valentiche's radio transmission

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<v Speaker 1>had not been yet made public. Hanson's co workers were

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<v Speaker 1>skeptical of his story, which is why he just decided

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<v Speaker 1>to drop the subject and never mentioned it again for years.

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<v Speaker 1>If Hanson really did mention the green light that morning,

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<v Speaker 1>then this lends credence to the idea that he actually

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<v Speaker 1>saw it and wasn't just recalling the light years after

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<v Speaker 1>the fact. It seems likely that Hanson and his family

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<v Speaker 1>are not making up the story about their sighting because

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<v Speaker 1>Hanson has always kept his real name out of the spotlight,

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<v Speaker 1>so it doesn't seem like he's seeking publicity. In fact,

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<v Speaker 1>when Hanson appeared in an Unsolved Mystery segment about the story,

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<v Speaker 1>which aired in nineteen ninety three, he would not show

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<v Speaker 1>his face on camera and was interviewed in silhouette. While

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<v Speaker 1>we're on the subject, here's an interesting piece of trivia

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<v Speaker 1>about the Unsolved Mystery segment. During the reenactment where Hanson

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<v Speaker 1>and his family see the green light, one of the

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00:22:38.599 --> 00:22:41.640
<v Speaker 1>nieces played by Lisa mccoon, who went on to become

421
00:22:41.680 --> 00:22:44.640
<v Speaker 1>a pretty famous actress in Australia after starring in the

422
00:22:44.680 --> 00:22:48.240
<v Speaker 1>police drama TV series Blue Healers. So I guess this

423
00:22:48.359 --> 00:22:51.640
<v Speaker 1>is pretty much the Australian equivalent of when Matthew McConaughey

424
00:22:51.759 --> 00:22:56.640
<v Speaker 1>started off his career by acting in an Unsolved Mysteries reenactment. Anyway,

425
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<v Speaker 1>the alternative explanation which has been pushed forward for Hanson's

426
00:23:00.599 --> 00:23:03.960
<v Speaker 1>is that valentici Is Cessna had a green navigation light

427
00:23:04.000 --> 00:23:07.000
<v Speaker 1>on his right wing tip. So i Valentage was flying

428
00:23:07.000 --> 00:23:09.319
<v Speaker 1>through the air with his right wing tip up and

429
00:23:09.400 --> 00:23:12.079
<v Speaker 1>Hanson was looking at it from a distance, it could

430
00:23:12.119 --> 00:23:14.200
<v Speaker 1>have appeared to him that there was a separate green

431
00:23:14.279 --> 00:23:18.400
<v Speaker 1>light from another aircraft flying above Valentage's Cessna. But the

432
00:23:18.480 --> 00:23:21.440
<v Speaker 1>counterpoint to this is that Hanson lived near an airstrip

433
00:23:21.559 --> 00:23:25.119
<v Speaker 1>and constantly saw airplanes taking off at night, so he

434
00:23:25.240 --> 00:23:28.240
<v Speaker 1>was fairly knowledgeable about them. If the green light was

435
00:23:28.240 --> 00:23:31.880
<v Speaker 1>nothing more than the navigation light from Valentice's wingtip, there's

436
00:23:31.920 --> 00:23:33.559
<v Speaker 1>a good chance that he would have been able to

437
00:23:33.559 --> 00:23:34.079
<v Speaker 1>spot that.

438
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<v Speaker 3>It is very interesting too that he is in a

439
00:23:37.200 --> 00:23:40.480
<v Speaker 3>silhouette in his interview and that he uses a different name,

440
00:23:41.079 --> 00:23:44.119
<v Speaker 3>and that he might have told people the morning of

441
00:23:44.680 --> 00:23:47.599
<v Speaker 3>and then almost ridicule at the time, because if you're

442
00:23:47.599 --> 00:23:51.480
<v Speaker 3>talking about UFOs, especially back when this case occurred, you

443
00:23:51.519 --> 00:23:54.240
<v Speaker 3>would have people say like, are you crazy, man, Like

444
00:23:54.319 --> 00:23:58.759
<v Speaker 3>you're absolutely crazy, and they'd be mocking him and ridiculing him,

445
00:23:58.799 --> 00:24:01.839
<v Speaker 3>and so I think some of that does lend credence

446
00:24:01.880 --> 00:24:05.359
<v Speaker 3>to the fact that his sighting could be legitimate, and

447
00:24:05.400 --> 00:24:07.519
<v Speaker 3>there were multiple people in the car that agreed that

448
00:24:07.559 --> 00:24:10.519
<v Speaker 3>they had also seen that green light. Could it have

449
00:24:10.599 --> 00:24:14.000
<v Speaker 3>been a plane light, of course, and like you said,

450
00:24:14.119 --> 00:24:16.880
<v Speaker 3>given the position, it might not have looked like the

451
00:24:17.400 --> 00:24:20.599
<v Speaker 3>light on the wingtip. But it's hard to say what

452
00:24:20.680 --> 00:24:26.160
<v Speaker 3>occurred because you did have Valentage sitting there and describing

453
00:24:26.160 --> 00:24:28.920
<v Speaker 3>a green light as well. So these stories do line up.

454
00:24:28.960 --> 00:24:30.839
<v Speaker 3>It was the same night, and you have some one

455
00:24:30.920 --> 00:24:34.079
<v Speaker 3>familiar with airplanes who says it wasn't that I saw

456
00:24:34.079 --> 00:24:37.079
<v Speaker 3>something different at the time. I didn't come forward because

457
00:24:37.279 --> 00:24:39.400
<v Speaker 3>everybody kind of teased me and shut me down. I

458
00:24:39.440 --> 00:24:42.039
<v Speaker 3>don't want to be recognized for this story, but I

459
00:24:42.079 --> 00:24:43.960
<v Speaker 3>do want to validate what this man was saying.

460
00:24:45.440 --> 00:24:47.480
<v Speaker 2>And yeah, it does seem like too much diffical incidence

461
00:24:47.519 --> 00:24:50.119
<v Speaker 2>that he would mention seeing the green light, even though

462
00:24:50.319 --> 00:24:52.799
<v Speaker 2>Blentage said he saw a green light on the radio

463
00:24:52.839 --> 00:24:56.119
<v Speaker 2>transmission at approximately the same time. So I Valentage is

464
00:24:56.119 --> 00:24:58.960
<v Speaker 2>telling the truth. It's very unlikely that he is looking

465
00:24:59.039 --> 00:25:03.200
<v Speaker 2>for looking at the light from his own wingtip of course,

466
00:25:03.240 --> 00:25:06.119
<v Speaker 2>the UFO theory gained a lot more credence when Roy

467
00:25:06.200 --> 00:25:09.640
<v Speaker 2>Manifold took that strange photograph at Cape Otway featuring an

468
00:25:09.720 --> 00:25:13.720
<v Speaker 2>unexplained black mark. I know that ground Saucer Watch analyzed

469
00:25:13.720 --> 00:25:15.920
<v Speaker 2>the photo and determined that it was likely a large

470
00:25:15.960 --> 00:25:18.480
<v Speaker 2>object flying in the sky, but you have to keep

471
00:25:18.519 --> 00:25:22.039
<v Speaker 2>one thing in mind. These guys were a UFO research group,

472
00:25:22.359 --> 00:25:24.400
<v Speaker 2>so you can't rule out the possibility that there was

473
00:25:24.440 --> 00:25:28.119
<v Speaker 2>some confirmation bias present, and they reached this conclusion because

474
00:25:28.119 --> 00:25:30.720
<v Speaker 2>they were just seeing what they wanted to see. During

475
00:25:30.720 --> 00:25:33.359
<v Speaker 2>the Unsolved Mystery segment, it was mentioned that a second

476
00:25:33.359 --> 00:25:36.480
<v Speaker 2>analysis was performed on the photo years later, and they

477
00:25:36.519 --> 00:25:38.799
<v Speaker 2>thought the black mark was probably nothing more than a

478
00:25:38.839 --> 00:25:42.480
<v Speaker 2>developing error. I couldn't really find out much information about

479
00:25:42.480 --> 00:25:45.920
<v Speaker 2>this second analysis or who actually performed it, But if

480
00:25:45.920 --> 00:25:49.119
<v Speaker 2>this analysis is from a credible source, then I'm willing

481
00:25:49.160 --> 00:25:53.319
<v Speaker 2>to believe the simple explanation that it's all just an error. Honestly,

482
00:25:53.359 --> 00:25:57.000
<v Speaker 2>if it wasn't for Hanson's eyewitness account and Manifold's photograph,

483
00:25:57.279 --> 00:25:59.559
<v Speaker 2>it would be a lot easier to discredit the UFO

484
00:25:59.559 --> 00:26:02.759
<v Speaker 2>abduction theory. But I also personally think it's difficult to

485
00:26:02.799 --> 00:26:06.079
<v Speaker 2>one hundred percent debunk either of these pieces of evidence.

486
00:26:06.400 --> 00:26:08.799
<v Speaker 2>So this does add an extra level of intrigue to

487
00:26:08.839 --> 00:26:09.319
<v Speaker 2>the story.

488
00:26:10.400 --> 00:26:13.359
<v Speaker 3>It's interesting because you see this with bigfoot sightings and

489
00:26:13.559 --> 00:26:16.319
<v Speaker 3>UFO sightings and all kinds of things, where you have

490
00:26:16.400 --> 00:26:19.720
<v Speaker 3>two different camps. One that's the experts in that field

491
00:26:19.759 --> 00:26:23.599
<v Speaker 3>who want to see a UFO, a bigfoot, a YETTI,

492
00:26:24.240 --> 00:26:26.680
<v Speaker 3>and they say, look, here's proof right here. And then

493
00:26:26.680 --> 00:26:28.640
<v Speaker 3>you have an entirely different group who looks at the

494
00:26:28.640 --> 00:26:31.359
<v Speaker 3>same piece of evidence and says, this is proof that

495
00:26:31.440 --> 00:26:33.599
<v Speaker 3>it doesn't exist, This is a hoax, that this is

496
00:26:33.640 --> 00:26:36.680
<v Speaker 3>not real. And so that's almost what's going on here.

497
00:26:36.920 --> 00:26:39.079
<v Speaker 3>You have a group that's confident and what they see,

498
00:26:39.119 --> 00:26:41.839
<v Speaker 3>and you have a group who's counteracting this claim and

499
00:26:41.880 --> 00:26:44.319
<v Speaker 3>saying that's not what's on this film. It's an error.

500
00:26:44.880 --> 00:26:47.039
<v Speaker 3>And so it's one of those things that almost depends

501
00:26:47.079 --> 00:26:48.880
<v Speaker 3>on what camp you're in. Do you want it to

502
00:26:48.920 --> 00:26:51.720
<v Speaker 3>show a UFO, do you want it to be an error.

503
00:26:52.480 --> 00:26:55.119
<v Speaker 3>I'd love to know more about the second analysis, because

504
00:26:55.119 --> 00:26:59.000
<v Speaker 3>it was probably done years later and with better equipment,

505
00:26:59.160 --> 00:27:01.680
<v Speaker 3>and I would lean more towards there being an error

506
00:27:01.680 --> 00:27:04.920
<v Speaker 3>on the film than the original analysis being more accurate

507
00:27:05.000 --> 00:27:06.359
<v Speaker 3>than a more recent one.

508
00:27:06.839 --> 00:27:09.200
<v Speaker 1>I thought in Part one we established that the second

509
00:27:09.240 --> 00:27:11.319
<v Speaker 1>analysis was done pretty quickly after.

510
00:27:12.880 --> 00:27:14.240
<v Speaker 2>Let me just double check it here.

511
00:27:14.640 --> 00:27:17.359
<v Speaker 1>I'm pretty sure you said that in part one because

512
00:27:17.400 --> 00:27:19.440
<v Speaker 1>we were wondering if there was better equipment. But you

513
00:27:19.559 --> 00:27:21.319
<v Speaker 1>said that it was done in like a couple of

514
00:27:21.400 --> 00:27:22.319
<v Speaker 1>years after or something.

515
00:27:22.920 --> 00:27:25.279
<v Speaker 2>It just said many years later, So I don't know

516
00:27:25.319 --> 00:27:27.640
<v Speaker 2>what that means. I mean, the incident happened in nineteen

517
00:27:27.640 --> 00:27:30.400
<v Speaker 2>seventy eight and the Unsolved Mystery segment aired in nineteen

518
00:27:30.440 --> 00:27:33.079
<v Speaker 2>ninety three, so I don't know how much closer it

519
00:27:33.160 --> 00:27:35.440
<v Speaker 2>was to seventy eight than ninety three. It doesn't give

520
00:27:35.480 --> 00:27:36.240
<v Speaker 2>a specific date.

521
00:27:36.640 --> 00:27:38.519
<v Speaker 1>It would be so great if we could get somebody

522
00:27:38.519 --> 00:27:39.599
<v Speaker 1>to analyze it today.

523
00:27:40.240 --> 00:27:42.319
<v Speaker 2>That's true. I'm surprised nobody has tried to do that

524
00:27:42.359 --> 00:27:44.880
<v Speaker 2>with modern equipment, because with that level of equipment, it

525
00:27:44.880 --> 00:27:47.200
<v Speaker 2>would probably be much easier to determine if it really

526
00:27:47.319 --> 00:27:48.599
<v Speaker 2>was just a developing error.

527
00:27:49.079 --> 00:27:51.680
<v Speaker 1>You would think with all the UFO fans out there,

528
00:27:52.200 --> 00:27:54.880
<v Speaker 1>I guess maybe you need to have access to the original,

529
00:27:55.000 --> 00:27:58.839
<v Speaker 1>but I would think with all you know, the alien officionaudos,

530
00:27:58.880 --> 00:28:02.119
<v Speaker 1>they would be looking at into this, and like Ashley said,

531
00:28:02.400 --> 00:28:05.480
<v Speaker 1>you could have confirmation bias depending on which lens you're

532
00:28:05.480 --> 00:28:09.359
<v Speaker 1>looking through. You may want to see that this is genuine,

533
00:28:09.759 --> 00:28:11.880
<v Speaker 1>or you might want to see that this is a hoax,

534
00:28:11.920 --> 00:28:15.200
<v Speaker 1>and so that could influence your perception of exactly what

535
00:28:15.240 --> 00:28:19.279
<v Speaker 1>you're seeing. The biggest piece of unexplained evidence in this

536
00:28:19.400 --> 00:28:22.119
<v Speaker 1>story is the metallic scraping sounds at the end of

537
00:28:22.160 --> 00:28:26.359
<v Speaker 1>Valentage's radio transmission. We mentioned during our last episode that

538
00:28:26.440 --> 00:28:30.839
<v Speaker 1>while transcripts of Valentage's final transmission are available, the actual

539
00:28:30.920 --> 00:28:34.240
<v Speaker 1>recording has never been released publicly, though it has been

540
00:28:34.279 --> 00:28:37.440
<v Speaker 1>reported that it may have been broadcast once on Australian

541
00:28:37.519 --> 00:28:42.160
<v Speaker 1>radio shortly after Valentic's disappearance, before it was confiscated by

542
00:28:42.160 --> 00:28:45.240
<v Speaker 1>the authorities. In nineteen seventy nine. A copy of the

543
00:28:45.319 --> 00:28:48.799
<v Speaker 1>recording was provided to Valentich's father so he'd be able

544
00:28:48.799 --> 00:28:51.480
<v Speaker 1>to hear his son's last words, but he was under

545
00:28:51.480 --> 00:28:54.519
<v Speaker 1>the strict instructions not to release it well. A few

546
00:28:54.559 --> 00:28:57.279
<v Speaker 1>years later, he did make a copy of the recording

547
00:28:57.359 --> 00:29:01.000
<v Speaker 1>for a NASA research scientist, Richard Haynes, said Analyze, and

548
00:29:01.039 --> 00:29:03.839
<v Speaker 1>when Haines was interviewed on the TV show The Unexplained

549
00:29:03.839 --> 00:29:07.480
<v Speaker 1>Files years later, they were granted permission to play seventeen

550
00:29:07.559 --> 00:29:10.920
<v Speaker 1>seconds of the actual audio of the metallic scraping sounds.

551
00:29:11.640 --> 00:29:15.240
<v Speaker 1>After his analysis of the recording, Haines published his findings

552
00:29:15.240 --> 00:29:18.279
<v Speaker 1>in an article of the Journal of UFO Studies, and

553
00:29:18.319 --> 00:29:21.160
<v Speaker 1>he expressed his opinion that Valentage could have produced the

554
00:29:21.200 --> 00:29:24.400
<v Speaker 1>metallic sounds by king his microphones pressed to talk switch

555
00:29:24.559 --> 00:29:27.200
<v Speaker 1>very quickly. I'm not sure if he would have done

556
00:29:27.240 --> 00:29:30.400
<v Speaker 1>this on purpose, but Valentage apparently did have a habit

557
00:29:30.440 --> 00:29:34.720
<v Speaker 1>of clicking the microphone button after transmitting. He often neglected

558
00:29:34.759 --> 00:29:37.119
<v Speaker 1>to put the microphone back on the rack and had

559
00:29:37.160 --> 00:29:40.200
<v Speaker 1>a tendency to activate it by mistake, which meant that

560
00:29:40.279 --> 00:29:43.519
<v Speaker 1>whoever was listening on the other end might hear sounds

561
00:29:43.519 --> 00:29:46.839
<v Speaker 1>they weren't supposed to hear. Valentage would also sometimes place

562
00:29:46.880 --> 00:29:49.759
<v Speaker 1>the microphone on his lap, so the metallic noises simply

563
00:29:50.799 --> 00:29:52.759
<v Speaker 1>simply could have been the sound of him moving his

564
00:29:52.839 --> 00:29:57.319
<v Speaker 1>seat forward in conclusion as possible, though seventeen seconds of

565
00:29:57.400 --> 00:30:01.319
<v Speaker 1>noise might be completely mundane, but because Volentage was never

566
00:30:01.359 --> 00:30:04.759
<v Speaker 1>heard from again, their creepiness wound up being amplified.

567
00:30:05.599 --> 00:30:08.440
<v Speaker 3>Oh for sure, it leaves you wondering what the heck happened,

568
00:30:08.640 --> 00:30:12.920
<v Speaker 3>is something occurring to the plane to Valentage himself what's

569
00:30:13.079 --> 00:30:15.880
<v Speaker 3>going on? But we when we look back at his

570
00:30:16.000 --> 00:30:19.000
<v Speaker 3>aviation record and how we look at the way he

571
00:30:19.079 --> 00:30:23.160
<v Speaker 3>was quote irresponsible and really didn't follow the rules of

572
00:30:23.200 --> 00:30:26.319
<v Speaker 3>the air. He was known for clicking his microphone and

573
00:30:26.400 --> 00:30:28.640
<v Speaker 3>leaving it off the rack and things like that. I mean,

574
00:30:28.640 --> 00:30:32.759
<v Speaker 3>you can easily explain away the metal scrapings, but then

575
00:30:32.839 --> 00:30:36.759
<v Speaker 3>what happened. Could the metal scrapings be him going down?

576
00:30:36.920 --> 00:30:40.000
<v Speaker 3>Could it be him hitting the water or trying to

577
00:30:40.039 --> 00:30:42.440
<v Speaker 3>make a landing. But you would think he would say

578
00:30:42.440 --> 00:30:44.799
<v Speaker 3>something into the mic at that point, like may day,

579
00:30:44.839 --> 00:30:49.720
<v Speaker 3>I'm going down or you know something's about to take me.

580
00:30:49.759 --> 00:30:51.400
<v Speaker 3>I just feel like there would have been more radio

581
00:30:51.400 --> 00:30:54.440
<v Speaker 3>correspondence at the end of that if he knew what

582
00:30:54.640 --> 00:30:58.240
<v Speaker 3>was occurring in this camp where I'm defaulting to more

583
00:30:58.279 --> 00:31:00.759
<v Speaker 3>of a mental health crisis where he took off with

584
00:31:00.880 --> 00:31:03.119
<v Speaker 3>a plan in his mind that was not fully thought

585
00:31:03.119 --> 00:31:06.160
<v Speaker 3>out because he wasn't in his right mind at the time.

586
00:31:07.240 --> 00:31:08.759
<v Speaker 2>I mean, if he wasn't in his right mind at

587
00:31:08.759 --> 00:31:11.720
<v Speaker 2>the time, he could have done the metallic sounds intentionally,

588
00:31:11.880 --> 00:31:14.240
<v Speaker 2>just like maybe scratch the microphone or hit the click

589
00:31:14.359 --> 00:31:16.200
<v Speaker 2>or something like that, just so he could lead this

590
00:31:16.559 --> 00:31:19.440
<v Speaker 2>like final tantalizing clue where it's like, oh, They're going

591
00:31:19.519 --> 00:31:21.680
<v Speaker 2>to hear these sounds and think I'm being scraped against

592
00:31:21.680 --> 00:31:24.400
<v Speaker 2>by an alien spaceship or something, and that's when he

593
00:31:24.480 --> 00:31:26.279
<v Speaker 2>decided to break off all communication.

594
00:31:27.960 --> 00:31:29.960
<v Speaker 1>And we might be looking like if it is that

595
00:31:30.200 --> 00:31:33.240
<v Speaker 1>for meaning in the meaningless? Because if Ashley's theory is

596
00:31:33.319 --> 00:31:37.559
<v Speaker 1>correct and he was experiencing mental health crisis, and maybe

597
00:31:37.599 --> 00:31:40.400
<v Speaker 1>we don't know the depths of that and what he

598
00:31:40.519 --> 00:31:43.960
<v Speaker 1>was truly feeling. Because if we harken back to our

599
00:31:44.000 --> 00:31:46.960
<v Speaker 1>case that we did on Ray Rivera, the intricacies of

600
00:31:46.960 --> 00:31:49.160
<v Speaker 1>that case and exactly what he wrote on all those

601
00:31:49.160 --> 00:31:52.920
<v Speaker 1>little pieces of paper was analyzed to no end. And

602
00:31:53.000 --> 00:31:57.799
<v Speaker 1>I think when somebody is potentially experiencing psychosis or their

603
00:31:57.839 --> 00:32:00.720
<v Speaker 1>perception of reality is skewed in any type of a way,

604
00:32:01.119 --> 00:32:04.799
<v Speaker 1>and we're trying to interpret it from the lens of

605
00:32:04.839 --> 00:32:10.200
<v Speaker 1>our perceptions being typical or accurate because we aren't experiencing that,

606
00:32:10.599 --> 00:32:12.720
<v Speaker 1>then we're going to be wrong or we're not going

607
00:32:12.720 --> 00:32:14.960
<v Speaker 1>to be able to find the meaning that we desire.

608
00:32:15.200 --> 00:32:19.559
<v Speaker 1>So I'm wondering if that is the case here it could.

609
00:32:19.440 --> 00:32:21.759
<v Speaker 2>Be because the Ray rivera case. Even though most of

610
00:32:21.839 --> 00:32:24.759
<v Speaker 2>us have concluded that his death probably was a suicide

611
00:32:24.799 --> 00:32:28.119
<v Speaker 2>with no outside involvement in foul play, it does seem

612
00:32:28.200 --> 00:32:31.480
<v Speaker 2>clear that he was suffering from mental health issues that

613
00:32:31.599 --> 00:32:34.680
<v Speaker 2>went undiagnosed, and that was probably the reason he left

614
00:32:34.799 --> 00:32:37.759
<v Speaker 2>behind all those cryptic writings, which probably don't make sense

615
00:32:37.799 --> 00:32:41.640
<v Speaker 2>to anyone besides himself, so trying to analyze them may

616
00:32:42.000 --> 00:32:45.599
<v Speaker 2>not shed any light on why he died. I guess

617
00:32:45.680 --> 00:32:48.440
<v Speaker 2>it's possible that Valentage made all those noises himself to

618
00:32:48.440 --> 00:32:51.480
<v Speaker 2>add a level of mysteriousness to his final transmission. But

619
00:32:51.559 --> 00:32:55.119
<v Speaker 2>regardless of his intentions, there's one very important question which

620
00:32:55.119 --> 00:32:59.160
<v Speaker 2>has been answered, what happened to the Cessna. Whether you

621
00:32:59.200 --> 00:33:02.440
<v Speaker 2>believe Volentage staged his own disappearance or crashed into the water,

622
00:33:02.839 --> 00:33:05.319
<v Speaker 2>that still doesn't change the fact that no wreckage has

623
00:33:05.359 --> 00:33:08.960
<v Speaker 2>ever been found. The only piece of potential evidence is

624
00:33:08.960 --> 00:33:12.559
<v Speaker 2>an engine cowl flap containing one of the cessna's serial numbers,

625
00:33:12.880 --> 00:33:17.480
<v Speaker 2>but it was never conclusively identified as belonging to Valentage's plane. Personally,

626
00:33:17.599 --> 00:33:20.000
<v Speaker 2>I've always been on the fence about this one. I

627
00:33:20.039 --> 00:33:22.680
<v Speaker 2>know that the current at Bastrait was very strong, and

628
00:33:22.759 --> 00:33:25.079
<v Speaker 2>it's plausible that all the wreckage could have flown away

629
00:33:25.119 --> 00:33:27.759
<v Speaker 2>so far that it was never found by the search teams.

630
00:33:28.119 --> 00:33:31.359
<v Speaker 2>But Flinders Island is still three hundred and twenty kilometers away.

631
00:33:32.359 --> 00:33:34.799
<v Speaker 2>Since the flat was found in close proximity to an

632
00:33:34.839 --> 00:33:37.759
<v Speaker 2>airport and it wasn't uncommon for planes to lose parts

633
00:33:37.759 --> 00:33:40.279
<v Speaker 2>in the water while taking off, there is a plausible

634
00:33:40.319 --> 00:33:43.680
<v Speaker 2>alternate explanation for the flap washing up there. But if

635
00:33:43.759 --> 00:33:46.640
<v Speaker 2>Valentage did not crash the plane intentionally and was one

636
00:33:46.680 --> 00:33:49.000
<v Speaker 2>hundred percent genuine about what he was seeing during the

637
00:33:49.079 --> 00:33:52.119
<v Speaker 2>radio transmission, how could the cessna have wound up in

638
00:33:52.160 --> 00:33:55.640
<v Speaker 2>the water well. One of the most discussed theories is

639
00:33:55.640 --> 00:33:59.240
<v Speaker 2>that Valentage became so disoriented that he was flying upside

640
00:33:59.240 --> 00:34:02.079
<v Speaker 2>down during his time on the radio, and the mysterious

641
00:34:02.119 --> 00:34:05.599
<v Speaker 2>object he thought he saw flying overhead was actually nothing

642
00:34:05.640 --> 00:34:08.280
<v Speaker 2>more than a reflection of his own plane's lights in

643
00:34:08.320 --> 00:34:12.199
<v Speaker 2>the water when the object was hovering over him. This

644
00:34:12.320 --> 00:34:15.000
<v Speaker 2>may have been because he was moving closer to his reflection,

645
00:34:15.360 --> 00:34:17.920
<v Speaker 2>and he eventually crashed into the water, cutting off his

646
00:34:18.039 --> 00:34:22.559
<v Speaker 2>radio transmission well right from the outset. Many experts disagreed

647
00:34:22.599 --> 00:34:25.280
<v Speaker 2>with this theory, as they believed that the aircraft would

648
00:34:25.320 --> 00:34:28.280
<v Speaker 2>only be capable of flying upside down for about a

649
00:34:28.360 --> 00:34:31.239
<v Speaker 2>minute or a minute and a half. This is because

650
00:34:31.280 --> 00:34:33.800
<v Speaker 2>the fuel tanks were situated in the wings and relied

651
00:34:33.840 --> 00:34:37.360
<v Speaker 2>on gravity to feed the motor. And since Flegich's conversation

652
00:34:37.519 --> 00:34:40.800
<v Speaker 2>lasted six minutes, it seems impossible that the plane could

653
00:34:40.840 --> 00:34:43.760
<v Speaker 2>have stood flying upside down for that length of time.

654
00:34:44.960 --> 00:34:48.079
<v Speaker 3>Okay, well, if experts say that that seems impossible, I'm

655
00:34:48.119 --> 00:34:53.039
<v Speaker 3>going to default with the experts on aviation. However, it

656
00:34:53.119 --> 00:34:56.639
<v Speaker 3>is interesting because this kind of disorientation. Maybe it wasn't

657
00:34:56.719 --> 00:35:00.320
<v Speaker 3>six minutes, but the idea of him being disoriented feeds

658
00:35:00.320 --> 00:35:03.000
<v Speaker 3>into what we were talking about, a mental health break

659
00:35:03.159 --> 00:35:06.639
<v Speaker 3>or some kind of disorientationalised in the air, and it

660
00:35:06.800 --> 00:35:10.559
<v Speaker 3>could have led to a plane crash. Again, Like you said, though,

661
00:35:10.760 --> 00:35:14.199
<v Speaker 3>where did the plane go? Not a single piece of

662
00:35:14.239 --> 00:35:17.400
<v Speaker 3>the plane was found, and if it was found, it's

663
00:35:17.400 --> 00:35:21.239
<v Speaker 3>some kind of three hundred and twenty kilometers away. It

664
00:35:21.360 --> 00:35:25.320
<v Speaker 3>just seems like a really big stretch that that's how

665
00:35:25.360 --> 00:35:28.400
<v Speaker 3>far it would go. There wouldn't be someone who sighted

666
00:35:28.400 --> 00:35:31.639
<v Speaker 3>the plane crashing, that there wouldn't be some kind of

667
00:35:32.760 --> 00:35:35.440
<v Speaker 3>proof that there is a piece of the plane somewhere.

668
00:35:35.840 --> 00:35:38.480
<v Speaker 3>All we know is on that wing that was recovered

669
00:35:38.559 --> 00:35:41.400
<v Speaker 3>that flap, there was one number that would match the

670
00:35:41.440 --> 00:35:45.679
<v Speaker 3>serial number to his plane, but that's one number that's

671
00:35:45.880 --> 00:35:48.840
<v Speaker 3>part part of a lot of serial numbers. So I

672
00:35:48.880 --> 00:35:51.840
<v Speaker 3>don't know. I'm so confused as to where his plane

673
00:35:51.960 --> 00:35:55.360
<v Speaker 3>went without anyone knowing and without any sign of it

674
00:35:55.400 --> 00:35:56.280
<v Speaker 3>ever surfacing.

675
00:35:57.119 --> 00:35:59.599
<v Speaker 1>This is the one part that leaves the door open

676
00:35:59.719 --> 00:36:01.559
<v Speaker 1>for the UFO conspiracy theories.

677
00:36:02.559 --> 00:36:04.760
<v Speaker 2>And it does seem surprising that if his plane crashed,

678
00:36:04.800 --> 00:36:07.559
<v Speaker 2>if he was flying upside down and with disoriented, and

679
00:36:07.559 --> 00:36:10.880
<v Speaker 2>he crashed a short time after his conversation with Steve Roby,

680
00:36:11.039 --> 00:36:13.760
<v Speaker 2>it is surprising that nothing would be heard on the radio,

681
00:36:13.880 --> 00:36:16.840
<v Speaker 2>not screaming or the sound of crashing, but just an

682
00:36:16.880 --> 00:36:20.320
<v Speaker 2>abrupt cutoff. That's always what bothered me about this whole thing.

683
00:36:21.119 --> 00:36:24.519
<v Speaker 3>And they did an investigation shortly after the radio went dead,

684
00:36:24.679 --> 00:36:27.079
<v Speaker 3>and so the fact that nothing was found, even with

685
00:36:27.119 --> 00:36:30.559
<v Speaker 3>people searching right away and looking into this case right away,

686
00:36:31.039 --> 00:36:32.079
<v Speaker 3>that's very bizarre.

687
00:36:33.199 --> 00:36:37.039
<v Speaker 1>However, one of the most logical theories for Valentage's disappearance

688
00:36:37.199 --> 00:36:40.199
<v Speaker 1>was provided by author Joe Nickel, who's known for being

689
00:36:40.280 --> 00:36:43.000
<v Speaker 1>one of the most prominent skeptics in the world, so

690
00:36:43.119 --> 00:36:47.400
<v Speaker 1>debunking UFO stories is pretty much his thing. In twenty thirteen,

691
00:36:47.840 --> 00:36:50.719
<v Speaker 1>Nicol teamed up with the retired US Air Force pilot

692
00:36:50.800 --> 00:36:53.920
<v Speaker 1>named James mcgaha to provide a thorough review of the

693
00:36:54.000 --> 00:36:57.360
<v Speaker 1>Valentage case and come up with a logical explanation for

694
00:36:57.440 --> 00:37:00.599
<v Speaker 1>what might have happened to him which should not involve UFOs.

695
00:37:01.239 --> 00:37:04.440
<v Speaker 1>They concluded that the overhead lights Valentage believed he saw

696
00:37:04.840 --> 00:37:07.679
<v Speaker 1>might have actually been the planet's venus, Mars, and Mercury,

697
00:37:08.000 --> 00:37:11.760
<v Speaker 1>along with the bright star Antaras these planets would have

698
00:37:11.760 --> 00:37:14.039
<v Speaker 1>resembled the diamond shape in the sky and could have

699
00:37:14.079 --> 00:37:17.639
<v Speaker 1>easily been mistaken for lights from a UFO. Valentage was

700
00:37:17.639 --> 00:37:21.000
<v Speaker 1>probably so distracted by the so called UFO lights that

701
00:37:21.079 --> 00:37:25.119
<v Speaker 1>he started suffering from spatial disorientation and was deceived by

702
00:37:25.119 --> 00:37:29.039
<v Speaker 1>the illusion of a tilted horizon. In response, he inadvertently

703
00:37:29.079 --> 00:37:31.480
<v Speaker 1>turned the plane downward and caused it to go into

704
00:37:31.519 --> 00:37:35.280
<v Speaker 1>what's called a graveyard spiral. This would decrease the fuel

705
00:37:35.280 --> 00:37:38.280
<v Speaker 1>flow and the rough idling of the engine, which Valentige

706
00:37:38.280 --> 00:37:41.920
<v Speaker 1>mentioned during his transmission. Eventually, he would lose all control

707
00:37:41.960 --> 00:37:45.480
<v Speaker 1>of the aircraft and crash into the water. Spatial disorientation

708
00:37:45.840 --> 00:37:48.119
<v Speaker 1>was also determined to be the cause of the fatal

709
00:37:48.159 --> 00:37:51.239
<v Speaker 1>plane crash which took John F. Kennedy Junior's life in

710
00:37:51.320 --> 00:37:54.519
<v Speaker 1>nineteen ninety nine, as he lost control of his aircraft

711
00:37:54.599 --> 00:37:58.239
<v Speaker 1>and suffered a fatal descent into the Atlantic Ocean. These

712
00:37:58.239 --> 00:38:01.119
<v Speaker 1>types of crashes generally happened at night or during the

713
00:38:01.199 --> 00:38:04.880
<v Speaker 1>early evening, and the Lunage didn't have much experience flying

714
00:38:04.880 --> 00:38:08.239
<v Speaker 1>at night, as his class or instrument rating did not

715
00:38:08.360 --> 00:38:13.360
<v Speaker 1>authorize him to fly at night only in visual meteorological conditions. Well,

716
00:38:13.440 --> 00:38:16.519
<v Speaker 1>October twenty first was a very clear night with perfect weather.

717
00:38:17.119 --> 00:38:20.880
<v Speaker 1>Luentage was still a very inexperienced pilot who already had

718
00:38:20.960 --> 00:38:24.840
<v Speaker 1>multiple infractions on his record, and well, as we're about

719
00:38:24.880 --> 00:38:28.159
<v Speaker 1>to discuss in a moment, he was probably pretty distracted

720
00:38:28.280 --> 00:38:29.000
<v Speaker 1>during this flight.

721
00:38:30.000 --> 00:38:32.119
<v Speaker 3>He also didn't plan well for this flight, so it

722
00:38:32.159 --> 00:38:35.320
<v Speaker 3>does seem very chaotic. He's not notifying airstrips where he's

723
00:38:35.320 --> 00:38:39.639
<v Speaker 3>supposed to land, he's not keeping accurate communication with his

724
00:38:39.719 --> 00:38:41.920
<v Speaker 3>loved ones about where he's going or how long he's

725
00:38:41.960 --> 00:38:44.719
<v Speaker 3>going to be, and so this idea that he would

726
00:38:44.719 --> 00:38:48.119
<v Speaker 3>get up there and become disoriented. It's not a stretch

727
00:38:48.360 --> 00:38:50.960
<v Speaker 3>either because he's struggling with some kind of his you know,

728
00:38:51.000 --> 00:38:54.000
<v Speaker 3>his faculties aren't all there, or he just simply is

729
00:38:54.079 --> 00:38:58.280
<v Speaker 3>so chaotic and irresponsible that it leads to him also

730
00:38:58.400 --> 00:39:01.519
<v Speaker 3>being you know, caught off guard in the air or

731
00:39:01.559 --> 00:39:04.159
<v Speaker 3>disoriented in the air. So I think that's a very

732
00:39:04.159 --> 00:39:07.960
<v Speaker 3>big possibility. Was the upside down when experts say that's

733
00:39:08.000 --> 00:39:11.199
<v Speaker 3>not likely. Probably not, But to lose sight of the

734
00:39:11.199 --> 00:39:14.760
<v Speaker 3>horizon or to be you know, kind of disoriented as

735
00:39:14.760 --> 00:39:17.480
<v Speaker 3>to where you're located and where you're going, I think

736
00:39:17.519 --> 00:39:19.199
<v Speaker 3>that's a very big possibility.

737
00:39:20.719 --> 00:39:23.599
<v Speaker 2>I have to say, well, the spatial disorientation theory is

738
00:39:23.639 --> 00:39:26.039
<v Speaker 2>a one hundred percent perfect there's a lot about it

739
00:39:26.039 --> 00:39:29.239
<v Speaker 2>which makes sense. It's also worth noting that Joe Nichol

740
00:39:29.360 --> 00:39:32.320
<v Speaker 2>and James mcgaha were the ones who proposed the idea

741
00:39:32.360 --> 00:39:34.920
<v Speaker 2>that the green light that Ken Hansen and his family

742
00:39:34.960 --> 00:39:37.960
<v Speaker 2>saw in the sky was actually the navigation light on

743
00:39:38.000 --> 00:39:41.320
<v Speaker 2>the cessna's wingtip. I'm not sure I find that part

744
00:39:41.320 --> 00:39:43.199
<v Speaker 2>of the theory to be plausible, and I don't think

745
00:39:43.199 --> 00:39:46.199
<v Speaker 2>there's ever really been a convincing alternate explanation for the

746
00:39:46.199 --> 00:39:49.519
<v Speaker 2>green light. One part of their analysis, which I find

747
00:39:49.559 --> 00:39:53.920
<v Speaker 2>particularly interesting, is there explanation for Valentage's trip that night.

748
00:39:54.719 --> 00:39:57.599
<v Speaker 2>There's been so much speculation about why Valentage would lie

749
00:39:57.599 --> 00:40:00.360
<v Speaker 2>about his reasons for traveling to King Island, and how

750
00:40:00.400 --> 00:40:02.920
<v Speaker 2>the evidence suggests he never intended to go there in

751
00:40:02.960 --> 00:40:06.880
<v Speaker 2>the first place. Will Nichol and Magaha believed that Valentage

752
00:40:06.920 --> 00:40:09.960
<v Speaker 2>took the Cessana out that night for the express purpose

753
00:40:10.000 --> 00:40:14.119
<v Speaker 2>of searching for a UFO, which is a fairly plausible explanation.

754
00:40:15.079 --> 00:40:17.679
<v Speaker 2>Going UFO hunting would have been an ideal way for

755
00:40:17.800 --> 00:40:21.280
<v Speaker 2>Valentage to accumulate hours for his flying time, but since

756
00:40:21.320 --> 00:40:23.159
<v Speaker 2>there's no chance in hell he was going to tell

757
00:40:23.159 --> 00:40:26.320
<v Speaker 2>his superiors or his family about this, he concoct in

758
00:40:26.360 --> 00:40:29.840
<v Speaker 2>a false story about traveling to King Island. There's no

759
00:40:29.920 --> 00:40:32.800
<v Speaker 2>way of knowing Valentage's exact flight path or how long

760
00:40:32.840 --> 00:40:35.320
<v Speaker 2>he was planning to search that night, but given that

761
00:40:35.400 --> 00:40:38.679
<v Speaker 2>he was facing possible criminal prosecution for the incidents in

762
00:40:38.719 --> 00:40:41.320
<v Speaker 2>which he flew through a cloud, there was a distinct

763
00:40:41.320 --> 00:40:44.440
<v Speaker 2>possibility he could lose his pilot's license in the near future,

764
00:40:44.880 --> 00:40:46.519
<v Speaker 2>so he might have figured this would have been one

765
00:40:46.559 --> 00:40:49.199
<v Speaker 2>of his only opportunities to go on a UFO hunt.

766
00:40:50.119 --> 00:40:53.480
<v Speaker 2>Given Valentage's inexperience at flying at night, if he was

767
00:40:53.519 --> 00:40:57.400
<v Speaker 2>preoccupied with finding a UFO and became distracted, you could

768
00:40:57.440 --> 00:40:59.920
<v Speaker 2>see how this might wind up as a recipe for disaster.

769
00:41:01.000 --> 00:41:03.800
<v Speaker 2>I was initially skeptical about the theory that Balentage could

770
00:41:03.800 --> 00:41:06.599
<v Speaker 2>have seen some planets and a star and confused them

771
00:41:06.599 --> 00:41:09.599
<v Speaker 2>for lights from UFO, as I found it unlikely that

772
00:41:09.639 --> 00:41:12.840
<v Speaker 2>a professional pilot would make that mistake. But then I

773
00:41:12.880 --> 00:41:16.480
<v Speaker 2>said to myself, it's unlikely a professional pilot who wasn't

774
00:41:16.480 --> 00:41:20.480
<v Speaker 2>obsessed with UFOs would make that mistake. If the entire

775
00:41:20.519 --> 00:41:23.760
<v Speaker 2>purpose of Alnage's flight was to find a UFO, then yes,

776
00:41:24.000 --> 00:41:26.440
<v Speaker 2>I can understand how someone in that frame of mind

777
00:41:26.760 --> 00:41:28.719
<v Speaker 2>might wind up seeing what they wanted to see and

778
00:41:28.800 --> 00:41:32.440
<v Speaker 2>jump to that conclusion. So it's very plausible that Blentage

779
00:41:32.480 --> 00:41:36.159
<v Speaker 2>saw something non extraterrestrial but was so certain it was

780
00:41:36.199 --> 00:41:39.920
<v Speaker 2>a UFO that he radioed in his sighting. However, he

781
00:41:40.000 --> 00:41:44.280
<v Speaker 2>became so preoccupied that it began to suffer from spatial disorientation,

782
00:41:44.719 --> 00:41:47.639
<v Speaker 2>went into a graveyard spiral, and crashed into the water.

783
00:41:48.559 --> 00:41:50.639
<v Speaker 3>You know, when you talk about it being a professional pilot,

784
00:41:50.719 --> 00:41:54.679
<v Speaker 3>it seems like, yes, he's trained in aviation, but he's

785
00:41:55.119 --> 00:41:59.519
<v Speaker 3>very young, very new to this. He's not very responsible

786
00:41:59.559 --> 00:42:03.559
<v Speaker 3>when it comes to flying and so professional. I wouldn't

787
00:42:03.559 --> 00:42:05.800
<v Speaker 3>want to be in the plane with him. And when

788
00:42:05.840 --> 00:42:08.320
<v Speaker 3>you look at this, I'm with you. He could have

789
00:42:08.480 --> 00:42:11.760
<v Speaker 3>very well been in a place where it's almost like

790
00:42:11.760 --> 00:42:13.920
<v Speaker 3>people who want to see a ghost and they welcome

791
00:42:14.679 --> 00:42:18.480
<v Speaker 3>spiritual you know, activity around them, and so as you

792
00:42:18.559 --> 00:42:20.639
<v Speaker 3>open yourself up to that, they say it comes to

793
00:42:20.679 --> 00:42:23.320
<v Speaker 3>you quicker. So he could have very much been in

794
00:42:23.360 --> 00:42:25.840
<v Speaker 3>that mindset, I'm going to welcome these aliens to come

795
00:42:26.239 --> 00:42:28.639
<v Speaker 3>meet with me, and don't worry, I won't go aboard

796
00:42:28.679 --> 00:42:31.719
<v Speaker 3>without my girlfriend, but I am going to welcome them

797
00:42:31.800 --> 00:42:35.360
<v Speaker 3>become meet me. And so he's in such a fixated

798
00:42:35.440 --> 00:42:38.079
<v Speaker 3>mindset to go hunt for them that he does exactly

799
00:42:38.079 --> 00:42:40.639
<v Speaker 3>what you've said. He convinces himself he's seen one. He

800
00:42:40.719 --> 00:42:43.239
<v Speaker 3>truly believes it, and then it's almost like you start

801
00:42:43.320 --> 00:42:47.239
<v Speaker 3>to lose control of reality and could have easily become disoriented.

802
00:42:47.840 --> 00:42:50.760
<v Speaker 1>It's like he manifested this reality. It's like a self

803
00:42:50.800 --> 00:42:53.519
<v Speaker 1>fulfilling prophecy. You see what you want to see, and that,

804
00:42:53.800 --> 00:42:56.039
<v Speaker 1>like you just said, Robin is the lens that he's

805
00:42:56.119 --> 00:42:58.719
<v Speaker 1>looking through is somebody that wants to see a UFO,

806
00:42:59.280 --> 00:43:02.119
<v Speaker 1>because initially I felt the same way until exactly what

807
00:43:02.199 --> 00:43:04.840
<v Speaker 1>you pointed out. If you want to go out there

808
00:43:04.880 --> 00:43:07.840
<v Speaker 1>and see a UFO, the chances that you could misinterpret

809
00:43:07.920 --> 00:43:11.519
<v Speaker 1>data and assume that it's a UFO, I think it's

810
00:43:11.559 --> 00:43:16.280
<v Speaker 1>a lot higher. The reports by Hansen does leave me

811
00:43:16.320 --> 00:43:18.480
<v Speaker 1>scratching my head with that green light because I do

812
00:43:18.559 --> 00:43:21.960
<v Speaker 1>not believe that it's from a wingtip, but I just

813
00:43:22.159 --> 00:43:25.320
<v Speaker 1>keep going back to it. Ashley said, I think there

814
00:43:25.400 --> 00:43:29.480
<v Speaker 1>is a possibility that this was a mental health crisis,

815
00:43:29.639 --> 00:43:32.079
<v Speaker 1>and there was a lot of different signs that we

816
00:43:32.119 --> 00:43:34.719
<v Speaker 1>could attribute to that. Just the one thing that I

817
00:43:34.760 --> 00:43:36.880
<v Speaker 1>can't get over is the fact that we don't have

818
00:43:37.039 --> 00:43:41.480
<v Speaker 1>anything that we can attribute to the plane absolutely, because

819
00:43:41.519 --> 00:43:43.920
<v Speaker 1>we do have that one piece, but there's only one

820
00:43:43.960 --> 00:43:47.039
<v Speaker 1>number from a serial number, Like how many other planes

821
00:43:47.079 --> 00:43:51.079
<v Speaker 1>does it match? One number? Two? Probably a lot.

822
00:43:51.280 --> 00:43:53.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And that is the problem, is that could be

823
00:43:53.360 --> 00:43:55.480
<v Speaker 2>a piece of Alengegies plane, but they have just never

824
00:43:55.559 --> 00:43:58.360
<v Speaker 2>found anything else. And I think if they did find

825
00:43:58.440 --> 00:44:01.280
<v Speaker 2>some conclusive evidence that the plane crashed, then they could

826
00:44:01.280 --> 00:44:03.639
<v Speaker 2>be able to solve this mystery. And say that he

827
00:44:03.880 --> 00:44:08.039
<v Speaker 2>likely was disoriented and accidentally crashed. But it's like Amelia

828
00:44:08.119 --> 00:44:11.719
<v Speaker 2>Earhart where they just can't find conclusive evidence to point

829
00:44:11.920 --> 00:44:14.880
<v Speaker 2>towards one theory and say that this is solved. And

830
00:44:14.920 --> 00:44:17.000
<v Speaker 2>that's why it's lived on for all these years, and

831
00:44:17.119 --> 00:44:20.400
<v Speaker 2>because he had such a cryptic final radio transmission, it's

832
00:44:20.440 --> 00:44:23.400
<v Speaker 2>become like a favorite story with UFOA ficionados.

833
00:44:24.480 --> 00:44:27.679
<v Speaker 1>Now, if you're wondering why no wreckage has ever been found,

834
00:44:28.199 --> 00:44:30.960
<v Speaker 1>just remember that even though it's assumed valentage was near

835
00:44:31.079 --> 00:44:34.519
<v Speaker 1>kpe Otway with it when his final radio transmission took place,

836
00:44:34.920 --> 00:44:37.599
<v Speaker 1>no one can be one hundred percent certain. He also

837
00:44:37.639 --> 00:44:39.920
<v Speaker 1>had lots of fuel left in his Essna, so if

838
00:44:39.920 --> 00:44:43.320
<v Speaker 1>he traveled in another direction, got lost, or went off course,

839
00:44:43.639 --> 00:44:45.800
<v Speaker 1>or just kept flying for a long period of time

840
00:44:45.880 --> 00:44:49.440
<v Speaker 1>after the transmission ended, he could have crashed well outside

841
00:44:49.480 --> 00:44:52.400
<v Speaker 1>the search area, and thanks to the strong currents in

842
00:44:52.480 --> 00:44:55.760
<v Speaker 1>Bass Strait, all the evidence might have flown away into

843
00:44:55.840 --> 00:44:58.559
<v Speaker 1>an area where no one would find it. So while

844
00:44:58.559 --> 00:45:01.719
<v Speaker 1>I count one hundred percent explain Ken Hansen's sightings of

845
00:45:01.800 --> 00:45:05.280
<v Speaker 1>the green light or the strange anomaly in Roy Manifold's photograph,

846
00:45:05.760 --> 00:45:08.360
<v Speaker 1>I do think it's most likely there were no UFOs

847
00:45:08.440 --> 00:45:11.679
<v Speaker 1>and that Frederick Valentich and his missing sesna are simply

848
00:45:11.719 --> 00:45:13.280
<v Speaker 1>submerged in an unknown location.

849
00:45:14.400 --> 00:45:17.119
<v Speaker 2>All that being said, I'm pretty open minded and don't

850
00:45:17.159 --> 00:45:20.119
<v Speaker 2>consider myself a complete skeptic when it comes to UFOs

851
00:45:20.159 --> 00:45:23.679
<v Speaker 2>and aliens. I'd really like to find out that extraterrestrials

852
00:45:23.679 --> 00:45:26.360
<v Speaker 2>exist and that Frederick Valentich is piloting one of their

853
00:45:26.400 --> 00:45:29.760
<v Speaker 2>spacecrafts somewhere. But I have to follow logic here and

854
00:45:29.800 --> 00:45:31.800
<v Speaker 2>con side that it's a lot more plausible that a

855
00:45:31.800 --> 00:45:35.039
<v Speaker 2>pilot who had a fascination with UFOs just got so

856
00:45:35.159 --> 00:45:37.239
<v Speaker 2>caught up in his obsession that he died in a

857
00:45:37.239 --> 00:45:41.880
<v Speaker 2>tragic accident. Until the day he died, Frederick's father, Guido Valentage,

858
00:45:42.159 --> 00:45:45.519
<v Speaker 2>always stated that he believed his son was abducted by UFO,

859
00:45:45.960 --> 00:45:48.039
<v Speaker 2>and I can't blame him for thinking this, because that

860
00:45:48.079 --> 00:45:52.199
<v Speaker 2>would mean his son was still alive. Unlike most UFO stories,

861
00:45:52.400 --> 00:45:55.360
<v Speaker 2>you can't just be cynical and dismiss this one because

862
00:45:55.360 --> 00:45:57.639
<v Speaker 2>there is a victim who has been missing for forty

863
00:45:57.679 --> 00:46:00.639
<v Speaker 2>six years and he still has surviving family members who

864
00:46:00.679 --> 00:46:03.400
<v Speaker 2>want to know what happened to him. But until conclusive

865
00:46:03.440 --> 00:46:06.280
<v Speaker 2>evidence surfaces. I don't think we'll ever know the full truth,

866
00:46:06.440 --> 00:46:08.559
<v Speaker 2>and I would not be surprised if the most famous

867
00:46:08.639 --> 00:46:11.519
<v Speaker 2>event to occur on my birth date will always remain

868
00:46:11.599 --> 00:46:14.880
<v Speaker 2>an unsolved mystery. All that being said, should you happen

869
00:46:14.880 --> 00:46:17.719
<v Speaker 2>to have any information with Shed's light on the unsolved

870
00:46:17.760 --> 00:46:23.559
<v Speaker 2>disappearance of Frederick Valentich, Lee's contact the appropriate authorities, Jules Ashley,

871
00:46:23.679 --> 00:46:24.679
<v Speaker 2>any final thoughts in.

872
00:46:24.679 --> 00:46:27.599
<v Speaker 3>This case, what's really sad is that this is a

873
00:46:27.639 --> 00:46:30.840
<v Speaker 3>twenty year old kid. That's what he is. He's training

874
00:46:30.880 --> 00:46:35.679
<v Speaker 3>to be a pilot. He's trying to log hours for flights,

875
00:46:36.079 --> 00:46:39.079
<v Speaker 3>and he's not doing so great with it, right, He's

876
00:46:39.119 --> 00:46:43.079
<v Speaker 3>getting into trouble, he's getting marks on his record, possibly

877
00:46:43.079 --> 00:46:46.760
<v Speaker 3>facing criminal charges. But he's really passionate about it, and

878
00:46:46.800 --> 00:46:50.840
<v Speaker 3>he's also really passionate about UFOs and learning more about them.

879
00:46:51.320 --> 00:46:53.880
<v Speaker 3>And so when you look at this case, and, like

880
00:46:53.920 --> 00:46:57.320
<v Speaker 3>you said, his father being adamant that something had to

881
00:46:57.360 --> 00:46:59.800
<v Speaker 3>have happened, that his son had have been telling the

882
00:46:59.800 --> 00:47:04.760
<v Speaker 3>truth and encountered a UFO, I understand why his dad

883
00:47:04.840 --> 00:47:07.159
<v Speaker 3>feels that. Right, it gives me hope, It gives me

884
00:47:07.199 --> 00:47:10.159
<v Speaker 3>an opportunity to think, maybe he's going to be returned

885
00:47:10.159 --> 00:47:12.960
<v Speaker 3>to us and I'll get to see my son again.

886
00:47:13.440 --> 00:47:16.800
<v Speaker 3>What's sad is that the more likely option is that

887
00:47:16.920 --> 00:47:20.559
<v Speaker 3>his plane went down and just was never recovered. Makes

888
00:47:20.599 --> 00:47:23.440
<v Speaker 3>me heartsick because a twenty year old's just starting their

889
00:47:23.480 --> 00:47:26.679
<v Speaker 3>life and he had plans where they ironed out. Well

890
00:47:26.719 --> 00:47:29.920
<v Speaker 3>maybe not, but he had plans for a life and

891
00:47:30.440 --> 00:47:33.840
<v Speaker 3>to follow passions and had a girlfriend and a family

892
00:47:33.840 --> 00:47:37.360
<v Speaker 3>who loved him and just one day went for a

893
00:47:37.400 --> 00:47:42.079
<v Speaker 3>flight and never came back. So it's devastating. It's very

894
00:47:42.119 --> 00:47:46.679
<v Speaker 3>intriguing because that call. While it does resemble a movie script,

895
00:47:46.960 --> 00:47:50.000
<v Speaker 3>that call to air traffic control, it's got to give

896
00:47:50.039 --> 00:47:52.199
<v Speaker 3>you a moment to pause and say, what did he

897
00:47:52.320 --> 00:47:56.159
<v Speaker 3>really see? Did these people who came forward even after

898
00:47:56.440 --> 00:47:59.400
<v Speaker 3>it hit the news, was their legitimacy to them seeing

899
00:47:59.400 --> 00:48:02.039
<v Speaker 3>something as well? And maybe it wasn't a UFO, but

900
00:48:02.079 --> 00:48:05.000
<v Speaker 3>it was something big enough to distract him to where

901
00:48:05.039 --> 00:48:07.840
<v Speaker 3>he actually crashed. I'd love to know more, and the

902
00:48:07.920 --> 00:48:10.800
<v Speaker 3>sad part is we probably won't. I'm with you, Robin,

903
00:48:10.880 --> 00:48:14.800
<v Speaker 3>this is probably going to remain, ironically an unsolved mystery

904
00:48:14.880 --> 00:48:18.920
<v Speaker 3>on your birth date. But to me, it's this idea

905
00:48:19.000 --> 00:48:20.880
<v Speaker 3>that a twenty year old went up in a plane

906
00:48:20.880 --> 00:48:24.000
<v Speaker 3>and never came back. It's eerie, it's scary, and it's

907
00:48:24.000 --> 00:48:26.039
<v Speaker 3>one of those things that makes you go could it

908
00:48:26.079 --> 00:48:28.840
<v Speaker 3>have been a UFO. I could never say no, one

909
00:48:28.920 --> 00:48:32.840
<v Speaker 3>hundred percent, but I'm leaning more towards disorientation and maybe

910
00:48:32.840 --> 00:48:35.480
<v Speaker 3>getting distracted by what he thought he saw which led

911
00:48:35.519 --> 00:48:38.000
<v Speaker 3>to a crash.

912
00:48:38.039 --> 00:48:41.639
<v Speaker 1>This is such a fascinating case, and the UFO element,

913
00:48:41.840 --> 00:48:46.119
<v Speaker 1>of course, I find aliens and UFOs really interesting. I

914
00:48:46.239 --> 00:48:48.360
<v Speaker 1>just don't really think there's too much meat on the

915
00:48:48.400 --> 00:48:51.400
<v Speaker 1>bone here. If you want to see aliens say that

916
00:48:51.519 --> 00:48:54.280
<v Speaker 1>a UFO took him, then I think that you could

917
00:48:54.440 --> 00:48:56.880
<v Speaker 1>very much view this case as there's a potential for that.

918
00:48:57.519 --> 00:48:59.679
<v Speaker 1>But I tend to lean towards the fact that it

919
00:48:59.719 --> 00:49:04.079
<v Speaker 1>was some kind of spatial disorientation or it was a

920
00:49:04.119 --> 00:49:07.519
<v Speaker 1>mental health crisis and he may have continued on. Much

921
00:49:07.639 --> 00:49:11.239
<v Speaker 1>like with MH three seventy. The initial search area that

922
00:49:11.280 --> 00:49:13.719
<v Speaker 1>they were looking for the plane, it was established later

923
00:49:14.280 --> 00:49:17.800
<v Speaker 1>wasn't where the plane likely was when it went down.

924
00:49:18.199 --> 00:49:21.440
<v Speaker 1>So you can look until you know the end of time,

925
00:49:21.719 --> 00:49:24.000
<v Speaker 1>but you're not going to find any piece of that plane.

926
00:49:24.360 --> 00:49:26.360
<v Speaker 1>And I think that might be the case, because that

927
00:49:26.519 --> 00:49:29.239
<v Speaker 1>is the enduring mystery because when we break it all

928
00:49:29.280 --> 00:49:32.280
<v Speaker 1>down with the metallic sounds, and we know that he

929
00:49:32.320 --> 00:49:34.519
<v Speaker 1>isn't very good at putting his microphone back on the

930
00:49:34.559 --> 00:49:37.639
<v Speaker 1>dock or whatever it's called, then we know that there's

931
00:49:37.639 --> 00:49:40.239
<v Speaker 1>a potential that that sound could be from something else.

932
00:49:40.559 --> 00:49:43.679
<v Speaker 1>He might have produced that sound on purpose. I think

933
00:49:43.760 --> 00:49:47.599
<v Speaker 1>it's incredibly sad that his family never really and truly

934
00:49:47.639 --> 00:49:51.079
<v Speaker 1>got the answers as to what happened to Frederick, and

935
00:49:51.159 --> 00:49:54.920
<v Speaker 1>that this mystery is so closely connected to aliens and UFOs,

936
00:49:55.320 --> 00:49:59.639
<v Speaker 1>because there's almost a dehumanizing element about that, and I mean,

937
00:49:59.719 --> 00:50:02.840
<v Speaker 1>we're we're all it is a Halloween episode, and we're

938
00:50:02.840 --> 00:50:06.039
<v Speaker 1>all kind of guilty of latching onto that, like myself included,

939
00:50:06.599 --> 00:50:10.000
<v Speaker 1>And so you can almost forget for a moment the

940
00:50:10.000 --> 00:50:13.960
<v Speaker 1>person that you're covering, and that that person had family members,

941
00:50:14.000 --> 00:50:18.159
<v Speaker 1>because we're thinking about the outlandish nature of UFO abduction,

942
00:50:18.719 --> 00:50:22.159
<v Speaker 1>but Frederick Valentich had people who loved him, and my

943
00:50:22.199 --> 00:50:25.760
<v Speaker 1>heart truly breaks for them because, like Ash just said,

944
00:50:26.119 --> 00:50:28.119
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if we're going to ever get the

945
00:50:28.199 --> 00:50:28.880
<v Speaker 1>answers here.

946
00:50:30.440 --> 00:50:32.639
<v Speaker 2>Well as you can imagine, I've had a fascination with

947
00:50:32.719 --> 00:50:34.880
<v Speaker 2>this case for a very long time. It's one of

948
00:50:34.920 --> 00:50:38.159
<v Speaker 2>the very first UFO stories I ever heard of, and

949
00:50:38.159 --> 00:50:40.679
<v Speaker 2>it's the one people say to me that I ordinarily

950
00:50:40.719 --> 00:50:43.920
<v Speaker 2>don't care about UFO stories, but this one still fascinates

951
00:50:43.920 --> 00:50:46.760
<v Speaker 2>me because a man and his plane went missing and

952
00:50:46.840 --> 00:50:50.039
<v Speaker 2>he left behind this cryptic final message, which is the

953
00:50:50.039 --> 00:50:51.920
<v Speaker 2>type of thing you would only expect to find in

954
00:50:51.960 --> 00:50:54.679
<v Speaker 2>a movie. Like Juel said, it's easy to forget the

955
00:50:54.719 --> 00:50:58.079
<v Speaker 2>person behind this. The ironic thing is that, given his

956
00:50:58.599 --> 00:51:02.039
<v Speaker 2>own personal obsession with you, I think that Frederick Blentich

957
00:51:02.079 --> 00:51:04.679
<v Speaker 2>would say that if he had to die, then this

958
00:51:04.840 --> 00:51:06.719
<v Speaker 2>is the way he would like to be remembered. That

959
00:51:06.840 --> 00:51:09.000
<v Speaker 2>all you ever wanted to do was become a pilot.

960
00:51:09.039 --> 00:51:10.639
<v Speaker 2>But it looked like he was not going to follow

961
00:51:10.679 --> 00:51:13.800
<v Speaker 2>that dream, and that could have depressed him an awful lot.

962
00:51:13.840 --> 00:51:16.440
<v Speaker 2>But I think he might have appreciated the fact that

963
00:51:17.039 --> 00:51:19.679
<v Speaker 2>he's primarily remembered as a guy who vanished without a

964
00:51:19.719 --> 00:51:23.159
<v Speaker 2>trait after an alleged close encounter with the UFO. But

965
00:51:23.440 --> 00:51:25.639
<v Speaker 2>like Jules said, though, he has a family who was

966
00:51:25.719 --> 00:51:28.159
<v Speaker 2>concerned about what happened to him, and this is him,

967
00:51:28.239 --> 00:51:30.960
<v Speaker 2>and I'm sure they don't appreciate the fact that the

968
00:51:31.000 --> 00:51:34.960
<v Speaker 2>whole UFO angle has overshadowed the disappearance of their son,

969
00:51:35.400 --> 00:51:37.800
<v Speaker 2>and it's very sad that they've had to go over

970
00:51:37.840 --> 00:51:41.320
<v Speaker 2>forty years without receiving in the answers. I mean, this

971
00:51:41.440 --> 00:51:44.559
<v Speaker 2>is more intriguing than your average UFO case because you

972
00:51:44.599 --> 00:51:47.840
<v Speaker 2>do have the independent eyewitnesses who claimed that they saw

973
00:51:48.079 --> 00:51:51.760
<v Speaker 2>these green lights in the sky, which matches Valenti's final

974
00:51:51.840 --> 00:51:55.280
<v Speaker 2>radio transmission. But even though those can't be easily explained,

975
00:51:55.360 --> 00:51:58.480
<v Speaker 2>you can explain the nature of the final transmission that

976
00:51:58.599 --> 00:52:01.800
<v Speaker 2>maybe it was some mental health issue, maybe it was

977
00:52:01.840 --> 00:52:05.599
<v Speaker 2>fatial disorientation, and a short time after that transmission ended,

978
00:52:05.920 --> 00:52:08.239
<v Speaker 2>he just wound up crashing into the water, and his

979
00:52:08.360 --> 00:52:12.440
<v Speaker 2>remains and the wreckage have still not been found. But regardless,

980
00:52:12.480 --> 00:52:14.920
<v Speaker 2>this is still a very enduring mystery. Maybe one of

981
00:52:14.960 --> 00:52:17.800
<v Speaker 2>these days will have some sort of evidence wash up

982
00:52:17.840 --> 00:52:20.360
<v Speaker 2>on shore so that we can finally get a conclusive answers,

983
00:52:20.440 --> 00:52:23.559
<v Speaker 2>but until then it will definitely be destined to remain

984
00:52:23.719 --> 00:52:25.920
<v Speaker 2>one of the more enduring unsolved mysteries.

985
00:52:26.800 --> 00:52:28.280
<v Speaker 1>Robin, do you want to tell us a little bit

986
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