WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.399 --> 00:00:05.719 Hi, This is Larry Heckner in Wilmington, North Carolina. I 2 00:00:05.839 --> 00:00:09.400 play on the beautiful Pete Die and Jack Nicholas courses 3 00:00:09.640 --> 00:00:13.119 alongside the Atlantic Ocean at the Country Club of Landfall. 4 00:00:13.839 --> 00:00:16.160 Welcome to the Golf Smarter podcast. 5 00:00:16.679 --> 00:00:19.600 Golf Smarter number four hundred and seventy two, published on 6 00:00:19.719 --> 00:00:21.839 January twenty, twenty fifteen. 7 00:00:22.039 --> 00:00:27.039 Welcome to Golf Smarter Mulligans, your second chance to gain 8 00:00:27.120 --> 00:00:30.679 insight and advice from the best instructors featured on the 9 00:00:30.679 --> 00:00:36.719 Golf Smarter podcast. Great Golf Instruction Never gets old. Our 10 00:00:36.799 --> 00:00:41.600 interview library features hundreds of hours of game improvement conversations 11 00:00:41.759 --> 00:00:45.240 like this that are no longer available in any podcast app. 12 00:00:45.439 --> 00:00:46.880 I think one of the worst clubs that might have 13 00:00:46.920 --> 00:00:47.759 been invented. 14 00:00:47.439 --> 00:00:50.119 Was the sixty degree wedge because everybody wants to use 15 00:00:50.119 --> 00:00:52.119 a sixty degree around the green because. 16 00:00:51.880 --> 00:00:52.880 They can't stop the ball. 17 00:00:53.079 --> 00:00:55.280 I think there's spots for that club, But I think 18 00:00:55.320 --> 00:00:57.039 the first thing that you look at is what kind 19 00:00:57.079 --> 00:00:57.840 of a lie do you have? 20 00:00:58.079 --> 00:00:58.719 How's my ball? 21 00:00:58.759 --> 00:00:58.960 City? 22 00:00:59.119 --> 00:01:01.000 Is it in deep gras is it's sitting up? Do 23 00:01:01.039 --> 00:01:03.240 I have a nice lie? You know? Can I get 24 00:01:03.280 --> 00:01:03.640 to it? 25 00:01:03.920 --> 00:01:05.680 Then the second thing you look to is, once my 26 00:01:05.719 --> 00:01:08.519 ball lands on the green, how much green do I 27 00:01:08.719 --> 00:01:10.920 have to roll the ball out to the hole. So 28 00:01:11.000 --> 00:01:13.200 you're trying to use the terrain of the green. So 29 00:01:13.280 --> 00:01:15.879 you're going to use a golf club that's going to 30 00:01:15.959 --> 00:01:18.719 lift the ball enough to get it over the fringe, 31 00:01:19.159 --> 00:01:20.959 get it on the green and start rolling. So if 32 00:01:20.959 --> 00:01:22.719 you're five feet off the edge of the green and 33 00:01:22.760 --> 00:01:24.560 you've got a pretty decent lie and you've. 34 00:01:24.359 --> 00:01:25.680 Got thirty forty feet. 35 00:01:25.480 --> 00:01:27.959 To the pin, and you hit a lofted club like 36 00:01:28.040 --> 00:01:29.400 a sandwich. 37 00:01:29.159 --> 00:01:30.519 You get no chance because you have to. 38 00:01:30.439 --> 00:01:32.280 Carry the ball too far out onto the green, and 39 00:01:32.319 --> 00:01:34.840 then you really can't control what's going to happen when 40 00:01:34.840 --> 00:01:37.439 it lands. So you take a nine iron, maybe a 41 00:01:37.439 --> 00:01:39.799 pitching wedge, even an eight iron, and just get the 42 00:01:39.840 --> 00:01:41.719 ball onto the green and let it start rolling like 43 00:01:41.760 --> 00:01:43.680 a putt. So if you approach it like that, I 44 00:01:43.719 --> 00:01:45.760 think you just have so much more success because you're 45 00:01:45.799 --> 00:01:48.239 using the terrain and using the slope of the green 46 00:01:48.319 --> 00:01:49.560 and rolling it like a putt. 47 00:01:55.799 --> 00:01:58.959 How to Minimize the Damage Part two with Tom Good 48 00:01:59.599 --> 00:02:04.760 This is Golf Smarter. Welcome back to the Golf Smarter podcast. 49 00:02:04.840 --> 00:02:07.319 Tom, Hey, Fret, how you. 50 00:02:07.239 --> 00:02:10.599 Doing I'm doing fine. Thank you so much for continuing 51 00:02:10.599 --> 00:02:13.840 this conversation, because I have a lot more to ask. 52 00:02:14.599 --> 00:02:16.240 Awesome, and I love it. 53 00:02:16.479 --> 00:02:18.680 I've got, I think a lot more that I can 54 00:02:19.080 --> 00:02:20.520 contribute and try to help some people. 55 00:02:20.680 --> 00:02:23.280 Oh that would be fun. Okay. So what I really 56 00:02:23.319 --> 00:02:26.680 wanted to find out from you to start is tell 57 00:02:26.719 --> 00:02:35.599 me what is your method or your teaching philosophy. 58 00:02:33.639 --> 00:02:37.400 Swing the club head and if anybody goes and tries 59 00:02:37.439 --> 00:02:38.840 to find out what that means. 60 00:02:39.479 --> 00:02:40.280 Ernest Jones. 61 00:02:40.840 --> 00:02:44.039 Ernest Jones was a proponent of swing the club head 62 00:02:44.199 --> 00:02:48.879 and Ernest Todd in the late nineteen twenties, thirties and forties, 63 00:02:50.080 --> 00:02:53.719 and his whole philosophy was on that freedom emotion and 64 00:02:53.759 --> 00:02:57.439 feeling the golf club and feeling the clubhead swing. And 65 00:02:57.479 --> 00:03:01.759 I think for the average golfers a great way to 66 00:03:01.960 --> 00:03:04.680 feel the body getting involved in the golf swing, feeling 67 00:03:04.800 --> 00:03:06.199 everything work together. 68 00:03:07.000 --> 00:03:09.680 And it's based around perfect motion, which is a pendulum. 69 00:03:09.960 --> 00:03:11.879 If the club hit swings back and forth at the 70 00:03:11.879 --> 00:03:14.759 same speed, it's in perfect motion. And if we try 71 00:03:14.759 --> 00:03:16.879 to interfere with it by trying to make it go faster, 72 00:03:17.039 --> 00:03:19.199 try to guide it where it's going, we're going to 73 00:03:19.240 --> 00:03:21.560 destroy that natural motion. So I try to use that 74 00:03:21.599 --> 00:03:25.479 as my base, and then depending on the individual I'm 75 00:03:25.520 --> 00:03:28.319 working with and the experience level and where they are, 76 00:03:28.479 --> 00:03:31.599 I kind of can branch out from that and expand 77 00:03:31.680 --> 00:03:34.080 on what that individual can do. 78 00:03:34.840 --> 00:03:37.280 You know, I would love to play the devil's advocate 79 00:03:37.639 --> 00:03:39.479 and try to get you to flush this out, but 80 00:03:39.560 --> 00:03:43.319 I'm just being plain old stupid. I don't understand what 81 00:03:43.360 --> 00:03:44.800 you mean by swing the clubhead. 82 00:03:45.800 --> 00:03:50.759 Well, there's one thing in the golf swing that contacts the. 83 00:03:50.719 --> 00:03:52.680 Ball, and that's the clubhead. 84 00:03:52.840 --> 00:03:53.240 Correct. 85 00:03:53.560 --> 00:03:55.240 We don't do it with our shoulders. We don't do 86 00:03:55.240 --> 00:03:57.439 it with our hands. We don't do it with our elbows, 87 00:03:57.879 --> 00:03:59.800 we don't do it with our hips, we don't do 88 00:03:59.840 --> 00:04:03.120 it thing. It's that golf club is our connection to 89 00:04:03.159 --> 00:04:06.159 the golf ball. So if we can feel that weight 90 00:04:06.280 --> 00:04:10.080 swinging and feel that motion and let our body work 91 00:04:10.240 --> 00:04:13.120 with that motion of the golf club, that's perfect motion. 92 00:04:15.000 --> 00:04:18.480 And how are we supposed to feel that? 93 00:04:20.879 --> 00:04:21.639 Get rid of the. 94 00:04:21.600 --> 00:04:24.759 Tension in your golf swing, lighten up your grip pressure, 95 00:04:25.160 --> 00:04:28.000 and actually feel the weight of the golf club as 96 00:04:28.040 --> 00:04:30.360 it swings. If you let the golf club swing back 97 00:04:30.439 --> 00:04:33.680 and forth, you'll start to feel the weight of the 98 00:04:33.680 --> 00:04:34.240 club head. 99 00:04:34.959 --> 00:04:35.879 You know this. 100 00:04:36.000 --> 00:04:37.319 I deal with this a lot where people say, well, 101 00:04:37.399 --> 00:04:39.639 can't I can't feel the clubhead. Well, most of the 102 00:04:39.639 --> 00:04:41.920 time you're holding out of that golf club too tight. 103 00:04:42.279 --> 00:04:44.240 You're trying to control where. 104 00:04:44.000 --> 00:04:47.199 The golf club's going rather than letting it swing freely. 105 00:04:47.480 --> 00:04:50.399 If you just relax your hands and arms, you're never 106 00:04:50.399 --> 00:04:50.680 going to. 107 00:04:50.720 --> 00:04:52.560 Lose the golf club the golf club because most of 108 00:04:52.560 --> 00:04:54.920 the people hold the golf club too tight anyway, they're 109 00:04:55.120 --> 00:04:57.639 gripping it, you know, death grip on it, trying to 110 00:04:57.839 --> 00:05:02.240 You're trying to control that motion rather than getting getting 111 00:05:02.240 --> 00:05:06.319 your body tuned into that motion of the swinging clubhead. 112 00:05:06.399 --> 00:05:08.199 Are you familiar with Fred Schoemaker. 113 00:05:09.519 --> 00:05:12.360 I used to teach with Fred for a couple of years. 114 00:05:12.360 --> 00:05:13.560 We taught at the same facility. 115 00:05:13.879 --> 00:05:17.399 Okay, because to me and Fred's been on the show 116 00:05:17.399 --> 00:05:23.319 a couple of times, and he's truly amazing extraordinary. Golf 117 00:05:23.360 --> 00:05:27.040 is remarkable stuff. And if we've got some new listeners 118 00:05:27.040 --> 00:05:29.199 who have not heard Fred Schumaker, you've got to go 119 00:05:29.279 --> 00:05:32.079 back into the archives and hear stuff because you'll be 120 00:05:32.120 --> 00:05:35.040 blown away. And we also have his DVD here to 121 00:05:35.759 --> 00:05:38.920 if you're interested in buying it. But I don't want 122 00:05:38.959 --> 00:05:43.319 to get too deep into him. But if I can 123 00:05:43.360 --> 00:05:46.399 interpret what you were saying, what he's saying is you 124 00:05:46.439 --> 00:05:50.079 know the feel of what's going on. To be able 125 00:05:50.120 --> 00:05:54.199 to feel it, that's kind of hard to do. 126 00:05:56.319 --> 00:05:58.600 It's it's not as hard as you think, Fred. 127 00:05:58.600 --> 00:06:04.120 When you when you get someone to relax enough to 128 00:06:04.160 --> 00:06:06.720 where they can actually get a sense of the motion, 129 00:06:06.839 --> 00:06:10.439 and you start with small motions, small movements back and forth, 130 00:06:10.879 --> 00:06:14.480 and once you get the person swinging the golf club 131 00:06:15.519 --> 00:06:18.600 with nice tempo and nice chiming, and the trick is 132 00:06:18.639 --> 00:06:20.920 swinging the golf club the same speed back and the 133 00:06:20.959 --> 00:06:25.120 same speed through, which goes completely against our human nature 134 00:06:25.160 --> 00:06:26.680 and what we're trying to do because we're trying to 135 00:06:26.720 --> 00:06:27.399 hit the golf ball. 136 00:06:27.639 --> 00:06:30.720 Did yeah, that you just completely baffled that we did 137 00:06:30.920 --> 00:06:31.759 same speed? 138 00:06:33.639 --> 00:06:36.439 Kind of interesting, isn't it really interesting? 139 00:06:36.839 --> 00:06:40.319 Because the golf club will actually, on its own be 140 00:06:40.399 --> 00:06:43.720 going faster at impact. But if we try to put 141 00:06:43.839 --> 00:06:46.240 speed into it, we change the natural motion of the 142 00:06:46.240 --> 00:06:50.120 golf swing. So if the swing is going back and 143 00:06:50.240 --> 00:06:54.000 through in your mind at the same speed, then right 144 00:06:54.040 --> 00:06:55.839 at the bottom of that arc, which is where we 145 00:06:55.879 --> 00:06:59.040 line the golf ball up, it's going at this maximum speed. 146 00:06:59.160 --> 00:07:02.600 So the swing really it starts out slow to fast 147 00:07:03.000 --> 00:07:06.720 to slow coming through the ball, so it's fast right 148 00:07:06.800 --> 00:07:08.920 of impact, and then it will start to slow. 149 00:07:08.680 --> 00:07:10.560 Down as it goes to the end of the golf swing. 150 00:07:11.079 --> 00:07:13.240 So if you kind of focus and a good way 151 00:07:13.240 --> 00:07:14.839 to feel this is if you hold a golf club 152 00:07:14.839 --> 00:07:17.800 in your fingers thumb and forefinger and just let it 153 00:07:17.839 --> 00:07:19.639 swing back and forth. You're going to feel the weight 154 00:07:19.680 --> 00:07:21.639 of the golf club. Sure, the golf club will swing 155 00:07:21.720 --> 00:07:24.199 back and forth. Okay, So now if you take that 156 00:07:24.279 --> 00:07:27.560 motion and just let your body get in tune with 157 00:07:27.639 --> 00:07:30.600 that motion as the club swings back and swings through, 158 00:07:30.839 --> 00:07:32.920 Now you're going to create some timing in the golf swing. 159 00:07:32.959 --> 00:07:35.439 You're gonna keep you know. 160 00:07:35.399 --> 00:07:36.160 Get some rhythm. 161 00:07:36.439 --> 00:07:39.279 You're gonna you're gonna just feel the complete motion of 162 00:07:39.319 --> 00:07:40.160 what's going. 163 00:07:39.920 --> 00:07:44.720 On where you're in tune with that clubhead. Hmm. 164 00:07:46.560 --> 00:07:49.720 It's an interesting Yeah, it definitely makes me and I 165 00:07:49.800 --> 00:07:53.360 apologize for the dead air. I know this is not 166 00:07:53.519 --> 00:07:55.399 a good place to have dead air. But when I 167 00:07:55.439 --> 00:07:57.319 get you know, and I hear something like that, I 168 00:07:57.319 --> 00:07:58.199 got to think about it. 169 00:07:58.279 --> 00:07:58.759 For a moment. 170 00:07:58.839 --> 00:08:01.879 So I'm trying to because that's why you. 171 00:08:01.839 --> 00:08:03.839 Know, when I kind of when I start talking about, 172 00:08:04.120 --> 00:08:08.879 you know, swinging the clubhead and feeling that you're swinging 173 00:08:08.920 --> 00:08:09.519 the same. 174 00:08:09.360 --> 00:08:10.600 Speedback because. 175 00:08:12.199 --> 00:08:14.439 Of the average golfers that play, they try to put 176 00:08:14.480 --> 00:08:16.319 speed into the club and usually it starts at the 177 00:08:16.360 --> 00:08:19.480 top of the back swing, right, and so that's when 178 00:08:19.480 --> 00:08:21.399 you're going to come over the top. You're going to 179 00:08:21.399 --> 00:08:24.600 release the club early. You're going to just have all 180 00:08:24.720 --> 00:08:27.600 kinds of timing issues of when is the golf club releasing. 181 00:08:27.920 --> 00:08:30.560 So if we focus on releasing the golf club right 182 00:08:30.639 --> 00:08:35.480 at the ball, okay, well that's maximum speed is right 183 00:08:35.519 --> 00:08:36.120 at impact. 184 00:08:36.639 --> 00:08:39.159 So as the club starts away from the ball, starts. 185 00:08:38.879 --> 00:08:42.840 Slow, the speed increases as the club comes down through impact, 186 00:08:42.879 --> 00:08:44.759 and then it decreases as it goes to the end 187 00:08:44.799 --> 00:08:45.320 of the golf swing. 188 00:08:45.720 --> 00:08:49.720 Wow, I know that. In our last conversation, you talked 189 00:08:49.720 --> 00:08:56.679 about not your students, working with your students in getting 190 00:08:56.759 --> 00:08:59.759 the most out of their natural swing, their natural ability, 191 00:08:59.799 --> 00:09:03.600 not trying to compare them to anybody else, but because 192 00:09:03.720 --> 00:09:06.960 they're the tour players are high profile and we get 193 00:09:07.000 --> 00:09:09.159 to watch them more than we get to watch ourselves. 194 00:09:10.559 --> 00:09:16.039 Is there somebody's swing that you actually love and think 195 00:09:16.080 --> 00:09:19.480 it is the model? Or is it? Or should I 196 00:09:19.519 --> 00:09:24.399 ask is there somebody's rhythm or tempo that you think 197 00:09:24.559 --> 00:09:25.120 is a model? 198 00:09:26.080 --> 00:09:28.679 I mean, I think you could look at Ernie El's 199 00:09:28.720 --> 00:09:32.879 and Fred Couple's something you'd say that, And I think 200 00:09:32.919 --> 00:09:36.440 I think one of the best swings that I ever, ever, 201 00:09:36.840 --> 00:09:41.080 still continues to work is Watson because what you what 202 00:09:41.120 --> 00:09:43.840 you're looking at is a constant pace. Okay, it's not slow, 203 00:09:44.559 --> 00:09:46.039 you know, it's not a slow swing. It's not a 204 00:09:46.080 --> 00:09:50.279 fast swing, but it's a constant pace. So the swing 205 00:09:50.360 --> 00:09:52.639 goes back and comes through it. There's a rhythm to 206 00:09:52.679 --> 00:09:55.840 the golf swing. L's is a slower rhythm. Couples is 207 00:09:55.840 --> 00:09:58.919 a slower rhythm. But if you watch L's and Couples 208 00:09:59.000 --> 00:10:03.159 hit the ball and watch where the acceleration is, you know, 209 00:10:03.200 --> 00:10:04.120 people are amazed, They. 210 00:10:04.039 --> 00:10:05.759 Go, how can Couples? How can you hit it? The 211 00:10:05.759 --> 00:10:07.320 far doesn't even swing at it. 212 00:10:07.519 --> 00:10:10.720 Yeah, but if you watch impact and you watch where 213 00:10:10.759 --> 00:10:14.480 the speed is, there's no effort in it and it's 214 00:10:14.519 --> 00:10:16.600 a smooth acceleration through impact. 215 00:10:17.399 --> 00:10:20.960 So rhythm tempo is important? Or are those two different things? 216 00:10:21.639 --> 00:10:25.600 I think rhythm and tempo are very similar. If you 217 00:10:25.600 --> 00:10:28.399 don't have rhythm, you can't have tempo. They work together, 218 00:10:28.799 --> 00:10:30.759 and I think they're they're critical to the golf swing. 219 00:10:31.399 --> 00:10:34.399 I think I think they're probably the number one thing 220 00:10:34.399 --> 00:10:36.039 in the golf swing is rhythm and tempo. 221 00:10:36.519 --> 00:10:38.600 Is that the number one thing you find in air 222 00:10:38.759 --> 00:10:40.559 with a lot of a lot of amateurs. 223 00:10:41.360 --> 00:10:44.200 Absolutely, And I think the number one thing that the 224 00:10:44.879 --> 00:10:48.919 average golfer tries to do is hit the ball. And 225 00:10:49.320 --> 00:10:51.080 you know, and I use this a lot when I'm 226 00:10:51.120 --> 00:10:53.000 talking to people, is that if you go down to 227 00:10:53.000 --> 00:10:55.279 the driving range to practice, what are you going to do? 228 00:10:55.360 --> 00:10:56.759 When somebody said I'm going down. 229 00:10:56.679 --> 00:11:01.039 To the driving range to hit balls, nobody ever says 230 00:11:01.080 --> 00:11:04.960 they're going down to the driving range to swing right. 231 00:11:05.080 --> 00:11:06.480 So it's a swing. 232 00:11:06.639 --> 00:11:09.080 And what I like to try to convey to people 233 00:11:09.159 --> 00:11:11.399 is to try to get them to swing the golf club. 234 00:11:11.919 --> 00:11:13.600 The ball gets in the way, I'm not going to 235 00:11:13.639 --> 00:11:14.879 try to hit it. I'm not going to try to 236 00:11:14.879 --> 00:11:16.399 guide it. I'm not going to try to lift it. 237 00:11:16.639 --> 00:11:18.200 I'm not going to do anything. I'm just going to 238 00:11:18.200 --> 00:11:20.600 try to get the golf club to swing through the ball. 239 00:11:20.679 --> 00:11:21.759 Let the ball get in the way. 240 00:11:28.200 --> 00:11:33.159 I found that the impact is just the middle of 241 00:11:33.200 --> 00:11:35.240 your swing. It's not the result. It's not the end 242 00:11:35.240 --> 00:11:36.960 result exactly. 243 00:11:37.639 --> 00:11:39.360 How many times have you hit a shot on the 244 00:11:39.399 --> 00:11:41.240 golf course that was just felt so soft that the 245 00:11:41.279 --> 00:11:43.840 ball just took off and you're going, dang, I didn't 246 00:11:43.840 --> 00:11:44.720 even swing at that thing. 247 00:11:44.879 --> 00:11:46.639 Yeah, I mean, the ball just ripped. 248 00:11:46.440 --> 00:11:49.840 And always and it always has that perfect sound too. 249 00:11:50.240 --> 00:11:52.759 You can always tell by the sound when it strikes it. 250 00:11:53.360 --> 00:11:54.399 And then so what do you do is you go 251 00:11:54.440 --> 00:11:55.840 back and try to figure out what you did. 252 00:11:56.200 --> 00:11:57.320 And try to recreate that. 253 00:11:57.879 --> 00:11:59.759 And you recreate it. Well, it's a swing. 254 00:12:00.080 --> 00:12:01.919 You can repeat that swing if you can get that 255 00:12:02.000 --> 00:12:07.039 swing moving okay, and feel that golf club, feel that weight. 256 00:12:07.080 --> 00:12:08.320 And the only way you can feel it is to 257 00:12:08.320 --> 00:12:09.159 get the tension. 258 00:12:08.919 --> 00:12:10.720 Out of your hands. Don't pull it so tight. 259 00:12:12.039 --> 00:12:14.759 And that leads me to, you know, my two pet 260 00:12:14.799 --> 00:12:17.720 peeves in the golf swing are the two things that 261 00:12:17.720 --> 00:12:19.639 people try to do all the time when they start 262 00:12:19.759 --> 00:12:22.679 is keep your head down and keep your eye. You know, 263 00:12:22.720 --> 00:12:24.200 I'm going to say right hand or here, keep your 264 00:12:24.279 --> 00:12:27.840 left arm straight. How many times have you heard that one? 265 00:12:28.639 --> 00:12:31.080 I mean, all the time when I'm playing with friends. 266 00:12:31.200 --> 00:12:33.440 Is like when whenever there's a bad shot, it's like, ah, 267 00:12:33.480 --> 00:12:34.279 I lifted my head. 268 00:12:34.919 --> 00:12:37.399 Yeah, And I think you lift your head because your 269 00:12:37.440 --> 00:12:40.480 body's swinging out a rhythm and your arms go faster 270 00:12:40.559 --> 00:12:42.320 than your lower body, and then your head has to 271 00:12:42.320 --> 00:12:42.960 move because your. 272 00:12:42.919 --> 00:12:45.320 Shoulders are hitting your head because you're keeping your head down. 273 00:12:45.679 --> 00:12:47.159 So when you keep your head down, you put your 274 00:12:47.159 --> 00:12:49.320 head down and your chin gets into your chest, so 275 00:12:49.360 --> 00:12:49.840 it gets in. 276 00:12:49.759 --> 00:12:51.320 The way of the shoulders rotating through. 277 00:12:53.039 --> 00:12:54.840 So you didn't lift your head on purpose, but it 278 00:12:54.879 --> 00:12:56.480 had to lift up or you're gonna break your neck. 279 00:12:56.919 --> 00:13:01.399 How do you find tune your rhythm from? You know? 280 00:13:01.399 --> 00:13:05.000 There? There are several drills. I think one of the one. 281 00:13:04.879 --> 00:13:08.039 Of the really great drills to do, and it's really 282 00:13:08.200 --> 00:13:11.240 it's probably very difficult for the average player is to 283 00:13:11.279 --> 00:13:13.879 actually try to swing a fold. 284 00:13:13.919 --> 00:13:16.159 Let's say if you took a five iron out, okay, 285 00:13:16.279 --> 00:13:22.720 and you have your normal yard you know what, Okay, 286 00:13:22.919 --> 00:13:24.080 try to hit it one hundred yards. 287 00:13:24.120 --> 00:13:26.000 I'm sorry, Tom, I broke up. You broke up on 288 00:13:26.039 --> 00:13:27.799 that last sentence. Please repeat your lessons. 289 00:13:27.840 --> 00:13:33.279 Sorry, Try to hit airn in slow motion and try 290 00:13:33.279 --> 00:13:34.879 to hit a five iron one hundred yards with a 291 00:13:34.879 --> 00:13:39.799 full motion, you can't accelerate through it. You've got to 292 00:13:39.879 --> 00:13:42.080 let it just be a natural motion, so everything is 293 00:13:42.120 --> 00:13:43.559 moving at a slower pace. 294 00:13:44.799 --> 00:13:47.360 A lot of work with with short shots. 295 00:13:47.240 --> 00:13:49.799 Hitting hitting little wedges, I mean, and I think this 296 00:13:49.840 --> 00:13:52.200 is where a lot of people chunk wedg shots and 297 00:13:52.200 --> 00:13:53.919 and and have a lot of trouble around the green 298 00:13:54.000 --> 00:13:55.559 is because they get short and quick and they get 299 00:13:55.600 --> 00:13:56.320 they get fast. 300 00:13:56.679 --> 00:13:59.320 They don't have rhythm in those short short shots. 301 00:13:59.639 --> 00:14:04.000 Yeah. I've always noticed that that on those on the 302 00:14:04.039 --> 00:14:06.440 short pitch shots that you know, chips around the green 303 00:14:06.440 --> 00:14:10.120 and whatnot, that I'm always the back, especially on the backswing, 304 00:14:10.159 --> 00:14:13.080 it's going a lot faster than right then right, and 305 00:14:13.120 --> 00:14:17.759 when slowing that down, yeah, I have better results. 306 00:14:18.440 --> 00:14:21.759 Think about that that Grandfather clock that you've seen with 307 00:14:21.799 --> 00:14:26.159 that pendulum moving back and forth, sure perfect motion times 308 00:14:26.159 --> 00:14:27.080 all the clocks in the world. 309 00:14:27.639 --> 00:14:30.360 Yeah, So why can't we use that to time the golf. 310 00:14:30.159 --> 00:14:35.399 Swing Because that pendulum has never hit a ball, and 311 00:14:35.440 --> 00:14:36.799 it never follows through. 312 00:14:37.039 --> 00:14:39.440 And it goes back the other way all the time. 313 00:14:39.840 --> 00:14:41.399 It's like, come on back, Nope, come back that. 314 00:14:41.440 --> 00:14:44.000 Way, No going the other way, And there's always that 315 00:14:44.000 --> 00:14:47.559 little hesitation before it goes back the other way, and 316 00:14:47.759 --> 00:14:50.120 you can incorporate that into your golf swing, where at 317 00:14:50.159 --> 00:14:53.000 the top of your back swing there's a hesitation before 318 00:14:53.039 --> 00:14:57.759 you go the other way. Okay, yeah, hesitate to rotate back. 319 00:14:57.639 --> 00:14:58.120 Through the ball. 320 00:14:58.559 --> 00:15:01.559 But it's not it's not a conscious hesitation. It's not 321 00:15:01.679 --> 00:15:05.559 a hold right, not when. 322 00:15:05.320 --> 00:15:07.440 You get it going right right at first, it may 323 00:15:07.480 --> 00:15:10.960 have to be a conscious stop. Okay, when you're when 324 00:15:11.000 --> 00:15:13.080 you're practicing it, when you're kind of trying to get 325 00:15:13.080 --> 00:15:16.200 a feel for this. I don't think there's anything wrong 326 00:15:16.279 --> 00:15:18.960 with stopping a little bit longer just to feel it. 327 00:15:19.720 --> 00:15:20.759 You get it to the top of the. 328 00:15:20.679 --> 00:15:24.519 Back swing, everything stops, everything moves back through, and then 329 00:15:24.559 --> 00:15:27.000 as you start to feel that rhythm, then you can 330 00:15:27.039 --> 00:15:27.960 pick up the pace. 331 00:15:27.759 --> 00:15:29.240 Of the swing just a little bit. You kind of 332 00:15:29.240 --> 00:15:31.720 pick up your tempo. So there's there's that constant pace, 333 00:15:31.720 --> 00:15:34.440 so it's not slow. You're not swinging that. 334 00:15:33.960 --> 00:15:38.000 That real slow back and through, but it's back up 335 00:15:38.000 --> 00:15:39.039 to the top and back through. 336 00:15:39.200 --> 00:15:41.399 You know, it's a constant pace back and through. 337 00:15:43.320 --> 00:15:46.799 And then you have the concept or you have fourteen 338 00:15:46.799 --> 00:15:51.600 clubs in your bag and they're all different lengths, so 339 00:15:52.320 --> 00:15:54.879 how does that impact your rhythm? How does that impact 340 00:15:54.879 --> 00:16:02.000 the speed or swinging the clubhead or does it? 341 00:16:02.000 --> 00:16:05.279 It shouldn't. It's going to be exactly the same. The 342 00:16:05.399 --> 00:16:07.960 longer club just has a little longer to travel. So 343 00:16:08.000 --> 00:16:11.360 if you're taking a driver and basically in your setup position, 344 00:16:11.399 --> 00:16:13.480 you're in the same setup position because the club is 345 00:16:13.639 --> 00:16:16.480 built to move further away from the ball just because 346 00:16:16.480 --> 00:16:16.840 of the li. 347 00:16:16.799 --> 00:16:17.840 Angle of the golf club. 348 00:16:18.159 --> 00:16:20.360 So if you're swinging the driver at the same rhythm 349 00:16:20.360 --> 00:16:23.799 as a wedge, okay, you're just going to have a consistent, 350 00:16:23.919 --> 00:16:26.120 repeating golf swing day in and day out. 351 00:16:26.159 --> 00:16:28.120 It's going to be the same. It's never going to change. 352 00:16:29.600 --> 00:16:33.120 Have you ever been introduced to a scene or even 353 00:16:33.279 --> 00:16:37.000 tried the one length set of irons? 354 00:16:38.360 --> 00:16:42.000 I saw those years ago when they first came out. 355 00:16:42.039 --> 00:16:45.440 PGA made those golf clubs the PGA Golf Company, and 356 00:16:46.320 --> 00:16:48.879 they're not around anymore, I don't think, so it must 357 00:16:48.919 --> 00:16:49.440 not have worked. 358 00:16:49.840 --> 00:16:52.720 Well, yeah, I mean, because you know, the theory I 359 00:16:52.759 --> 00:16:56.679 guess is that the club head itself is the angle 360 00:16:57.840 --> 00:17:00.519 that's going to be where the ball comes off. So 361 00:17:00.799 --> 00:17:04.359 why and it would make it I guess for you know, 362 00:17:04.559 --> 00:17:06.759 high handicappers. It would make it a lot easier if 363 00:17:06.799 --> 00:17:09.000 they just had the same length to deal with every time, 364 00:17:09.000 --> 00:17:11.480 as opposed to being too close to the ball, being 365 00:17:11.480 --> 00:17:12.480 far away from the ball. 366 00:17:12.799 --> 00:17:16.559 You know, well, I think that's where, you know, coaching 367 00:17:16.559 --> 00:17:17.759 and instruction comes in. 368 00:17:17.880 --> 00:17:18.680 You know that that. 369 00:17:18.680 --> 00:17:22.240 People need to really get some guidance, They need to 370 00:17:22.240 --> 00:17:24.359 find a good instructor, they need to find a good 371 00:17:24.400 --> 00:17:27.960 PGA golf professional that can guide them, you know. And 372 00:17:28.359 --> 00:17:30.640 that's where people will do that. They'll they'll change with 373 00:17:30.720 --> 00:17:33.200 every club. And I don't I personally don't think that 374 00:17:33.279 --> 00:17:36.759 you change your setup position with every club. If your 375 00:17:36.920 --> 00:17:40.880 arms are hanging in the same position, you say, with 376 00:17:40.920 --> 00:17:43.799 an eight iron and a three wood. Okay, the golf 377 00:17:43.839 --> 00:17:47.079 clubs are built to take care of that distance. 378 00:17:48.079 --> 00:17:50.079 So if you repeat that setup. 379 00:17:49.680 --> 00:17:53.960 Position, just change your ball position longer club ball moves 380 00:17:53.960 --> 00:17:56.440 a little bit further forward. You make the same motion 381 00:17:56.599 --> 00:17:58.559 with the golf swing. The length of the club creates 382 00:17:58.559 --> 00:18:01.400 a little more speed and you and the loft of 383 00:18:01.440 --> 00:18:03.759 the club combined with the length of the club creates 384 00:18:03.839 --> 00:18:04.440 more distance. 385 00:18:08.319 --> 00:18:10.799 Let's get back to what we were finishing up with 386 00:18:10.839 --> 00:18:14.440 on our last episode, and you were talking about golf 387 00:18:14.480 --> 00:18:20.079 course management and course management, which has nothing to do 388 00:18:20.160 --> 00:18:23.880 with working at a golf course. I like to just 389 00:18:23.920 --> 00:18:26.400 call it strategy. It's easier for me when I say strategy. 390 00:18:26.960 --> 00:18:29.279 Golf course. Yeah, management, what do you? 391 00:18:29.319 --> 00:18:33.599 What do you work in the exactly? I'm a bartender. 392 00:18:33.960 --> 00:18:37.279 So i'd like to talk about You talked about going 393 00:18:37.319 --> 00:18:39.960 out on the course and sticking a person at one 394 00:18:40.039 --> 00:18:42.279 hundred and fifty yards and you know, seeing how they 395 00:18:42.319 --> 00:18:46.839 approach and whatnot. Let's talk about course management from within 396 00:18:46.880 --> 00:18:50.319 one hundred and fifty yards and then from there. Let's 397 00:18:50.319 --> 00:18:52.039 talk about this for a while, and then from there 398 00:18:52.119 --> 00:18:55.200 before we leave, I'd like to also pick your brain 399 00:18:55.240 --> 00:18:57.359 a little bit about what you say is one of 400 00:18:57.359 --> 00:19:01.039 your specialties, which is working around the greens. Okay, so 401 00:19:01.440 --> 00:19:05.400