1 00:00:01,399 --> 00:00:05,719 Speaker 1: Hi, This is Larry Heckner in Wilmington, North Carolina. I 2 00:00:05,839 --> 00:00:09,400 play on the beautiful Pete Die and Jack Nicholas courses 3 00:00:09,640 --> 00:00:13,119 alongside the Atlantic Ocean at the Country Club of Landfall. 4 00:00:13,839 --> 00:00:16,160 Welcome to the Golf Smarter podcast. 5 00:00:16,679 --> 00:00:19,600 Speaker 2: Golf Smarter number four hundred and seventy two, published on 6 00:00:19,719 --> 00:00:21,839 January twenty, twenty fifteen. 7 00:00:22,039 --> 00:00:27,039 Speaker 3: Welcome to Golf Smarter Mulligans, your second chance to gain 8 00:00:27,120 --> 00:00:30,679 insight and advice from the best instructors featured on the 9 00:00:30,679 --> 00:00:36,719 Golf Smarter podcast. Great Golf Instruction Never gets old. Our 10 00:00:36,799 --> 00:00:41,600 interview library features hundreds of hours of game improvement conversations 11 00:00:41,759 --> 00:00:45,240 like this that are no longer available in any podcast app. 12 00:00:45,439 --> 00:00:46,880 Speaker 4: I think one of the worst clubs that might have 13 00:00:46,920 --> 00:00:47,759 been invented. 14 00:00:47,439 --> 00:00:50,119 Speaker 5: Was the sixty degree wedge because everybody wants to use 15 00:00:50,119 --> 00:00:52,119 a sixty degree around the green because. 16 00:00:51,880 --> 00:00:52,880 Speaker 4: They can't stop the ball. 17 00:00:53,079 --> 00:00:55,280 Speaker 5: I think there's spots for that club, But I think 18 00:00:55,320 --> 00:00:57,039 the first thing that you look at is what kind 19 00:00:57,079 --> 00:00:57,840 of a lie do you have? 20 00:00:58,079 --> 00:00:58,719 Speaker 4: How's my ball? 21 00:00:58,759 --> 00:00:58,960 Speaker 2: City? 22 00:00:59,119 --> 00:01:01,000 Speaker 4: Is it in deep gras is it's sitting up? Do 23 00:01:01,039 --> 00:01:03,240 I have a nice lie? You know? Can I get 24 00:01:03,280 --> 00:01:03,640 to it? 25 00:01:03,920 --> 00:01:05,680 Speaker 5: Then the second thing you look to is, once my 26 00:01:05,719 --> 00:01:08,519 ball lands on the green, how much green do I 27 00:01:08,719 --> 00:01:10,920 have to roll the ball out to the hole. So 28 00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:13,200 you're trying to use the terrain of the green. So 29 00:01:13,280 --> 00:01:15,879 you're going to use a golf club that's going to 30 00:01:15,959 --> 00:01:18,719 lift the ball enough to get it over the fringe, 31 00:01:19,159 --> 00:01:20,959 get it on the green and start rolling. So if 32 00:01:20,959 --> 00:01:22,719 you're five feet off the edge of the green and 33 00:01:22,760 --> 00:01:24,560 you've got a pretty decent lie and you've. 34 00:01:24,359 --> 00:01:25,680 Speaker 4: Got thirty forty feet. 35 00:01:25,480 --> 00:01:27,959 Speaker 5: To the pin, and you hit a lofted club like 36 00:01:28,040 --> 00:01:29,400 a sandwich. 37 00:01:29,159 --> 00:01:30,519 Speaker 4: You get no chance because you have to. 38 00:01:30,439 --> 00:01:32,280 Speaker 5: Carry the ball too far out onto the green, and 39 00:01:32,319 --> 00:01:34,840 then you really can't control what's going to happen when 40 00:01:34,840 --> 00:01:37,439 it lands. So you take a nine iron, maybe a 41 00:01:37,439 --> 00:01:39,799 pitching wedge, even an eight iron, and just get the 42 00:01:39,840 --> 00:01:41,719 ball onto the green and let it start rolling like 43 00:01:41,760 --> 00:01:43,680 a putt. So if you approach it like that, I 44 00:01:43,719 --> 00:01:45,760 think you just have so much more success because you're 45 00:01:45,799 --> 00:01:48,239 using the terrain and using the slope of the green 46 00:01:48,319 --> 00:01:49,560 and rolling it like a putt. 47 00:01:55,799 --> 00:01:58,959 Speaker 2: How to Minimize the Damage Part two with Tom Good 48 00:01:59,599 --> 00:02:04,760 This is Golf Smarter. Welcome back to the Golf Smarter podcast. 49 00:02:04,840 --> 00:02:07,319 Speaker 4: Tom, Hey, Fret, how you. 50 00:02:07,239 --> 00:02:10,599 Speaker 2: Doing I'm doing fine. Thank you so much for continuing 51 00:02:10,599 --> 00:02:13,840 this conversation, because I have a lot more to ask. 52 00:02:14,599 --> 00:02:16,240 Speaker 4: Awesome, and I love it. 53 00:02:16,479 --> 00:02:18,680 Speaker 5: I've got, I think a lot more that I can 54 00:02:19,080 --> 00:02:20,520 contribute and try to help some people. 55 00:02:20,680 --> 00:02:23,280 Speaker 2: Oh that would be fun. Okay. So what I really 56 00:02:23,319 --> 00:02:26,680 wanted to find out from you to start is tell 57 00:02:26,719 --> 00:02:35,599 me what is your method or your teaching philosophy. 58 00:02:33,639 --> 00:02:37,400 Speaker 5: Swing the club head and if anybody goes and tries 59 00:02:37,439 --> 00:02:38,840 to find out what that means. 60 00:02:39,479 --> 00:02:40,280 Speaker 4: Ernest Jones. 61 00:02:40,840 --> 00:02:44,039 Speaker 5: Ernest Jones was a proponent of swing the club head 62 00:02:44,199 --> 00:02:48,879 and Ernest Todd in the late nineteen twenties, thirties and forties, 63 00:02:50,080 --> 00:02:53,719 and his whole philosophy was on that freedom emotion and 64 00:02:53,759 --> 00:02:57,439 feeling the golf club and feeling the clubhead swing. And 65 00:02:57,479 --> 00:03:01,759 I think for the average golfers a great way to 66 00:03:01,960 --> 00:03:04,680 feel the body getting involved in the golf swing, feeling 67 00:03:04,800 --> 00:03:06,199 everything work together. 68 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:09,680 Speaker 4: And it's based around perfect motion, which is a pendulum. 69 00:03:09,960 --> 00:03:11,879 Speaker 5: If the club hit swings back and forth at the 70 00:03:11,879 --> 00:03:14,759 same speed, it's in perfect motion. And if we try 71 00:03:14,759 --> 00:03:16,879 to interfere with it by trying to make it go faster, 72 00:03:17,039 --> 00:03:19,199 try to guide it where it's going, we're going to 73 00:03:19,240 --> 00:03:21,560 destroy that natural motion. So I try to use that 74 00:03:21,599 --> 00:03:25,479 as my base, and then depending on the individual I'm 75 00:03:25,520 --> 00:03:28,319 working with and the experience level and where they are, 76 00:03:28,479 --> 00:03:31,599 I kind of can branch out from that and expand 77 00:03:31,680 --> 00:03:34,080 on what that individual can do. 78 00:03:34,840 --> 00:03:37,280 Speaker 2: You know, I would love to play the devil's advocate 79 00:03:37,639 --> 00:03:39,479 and try to get you to flush this out, but 80 00:03:39,560 --> 00:03:43,319 I'm just being plain old stupid. I don't understand what 81 00:03:43,360 --> 00:03:44,800 you mean by swing the clubhead. 82 00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:50,759 Speaker 5: Well, there's one thing in the golf swing that contacts the. 83 00:03:50,719 --> 00:03:52,680 Speaker 4: Ball, and that's the clubhead. 84 00:03:52,840 --> 00:03:53,240 Speaker 2: Correct. 85 00:03:53,560 --> 00:03:55,240 Speaker 5: We don't do it with our shoulders. We don't do 86 00:03:55,240 --> 00:03:57,439 it with our hands. We don't do it with our elbows, 87 00:03:57,879 --> 00:03:59,800 we don't do it with our hips, we don't do 88 00:03:59,840 --> 00:04:03,120 it thing. It's that golf club is our connection to 89 00:04:03,159 --> 00:04:06,159 the golf ball. So if we can feel that weight 90 00:04:06,280 --> 00:04:10,080 swinging and feel that motion and let our body work 91 00:04:10,240 --> 00:04:13,120 with that motion of the golf club, that's perfect motion. 92 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:18,480 Speaker 2: And how are we supposed to feel that? 93 00:04:20,879 --> 00:04:21,639 Speaker 4: Get rid of the. 94 00:04:21,600 --> 00:04:24,759 Speaker 5: Tension in your golf swing, lighten up your grip pressure, 95 00:04:25,160 --> 00:04:28,000 and actually feel the weight of the golf club as 96 00:04:28,040 --> 00:04:30,360 it swings. If you let the golf club swing back 97 00:04:30,439 --> 00:04:33,680 and forth, you'll start to feel the weight of the 98 00:04:33,680 --> 00:04:34,240 club head. 99 00:04:34,959 --> 00:04:35,879 Speaker 4: You know this. 100 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:37,319 Speaker 5: I deal with this a lot where people say, well, 101 00:04:37,399 --> 00:04:39,639 can't I can't feel the clubhead. Well, most of the 102 00:04:39,639 --> 00:04:41,920 time you're holding out of that golf club too tight. 103 00:04:42,279 --> 00:04:44,240 Speaker 4: You're trying to control where. 104 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:47,199 Speaker 5: The golf club's going rather than letting it swing freely. 105 00:04:47,480 --> 00:04:50,399 Speaker 4: If you just relax your hands and arms, you're never 106 00:04:50,399 --> 00:04:50,680 going to. 107 00:04:50,720 --> 00:04:52,560 Speaker 5: Lose the golf club the golf club because most of 108 00:04:52,560 --> 00:04:54,920 the people hold the golf club too tight anyway, they're 109 00:04:55,120 --> 00:04:57,639 gripping it, you know, death grip on it, trying to 110 00:04:57,839 --> 00:05:02,240 You're trying to control that motion rather than getting getting 111 00:05:02,240 --> 00:05:06,319 your body tuned into that motion of the swinging clubhead. 112 00:05:06,399 --> 00:05:08,199 Speaker 2: Are you familiar with Fred Schoemaker. 113 00:05:09,519 --> 00:05:12,360 Speaker 5: I used to teach with Fred for a couple of years. 114 00:05:12,360 --> 00:05:13,560 We taught at the same facility. 115 00:05:13,879 --> 00:05:17,399 Speaker 2: Okay, because to me and Fred's been on the show 116 00:05:17,399 --> 00:05:23,319 a couple of times, and he's truly amazing extraordinary. Golf 117 00:05:23,360 --> 00:05:27,040 is remarkable stuff. And if we've got some new listeners 118 00:05:27,040 --> 00:05:29,199 who have not heard Fred Schumaker, you've got to go 119 00:05:29,279 --> 00:05:32,079 back into the archives and hear stuff because you'll be 120 00:05:32,120 --> 00:05:35,040 blown away. And we also have his DVD here to 121 00:05:35,759 --> 00:05:38,920 if you're interested in buying it. But I don't want 122 00:05:38,959 --> 00:05:43,319 to get too deep into him. But if I can 123 00:05:43,360 --> 00:05:46,399 interpret what you were saying, what he's saying is you 124 00:05:46,439 --> 00:05:50,079 know the feel of what's going on. To be able 125 00:05:50,120 --> 00:05:54,199 to feel it, that's kind of hard to do. 126 00:05:56,319 --> 00:05:58,600 Speaker 4: It's it's not as hard as you think, Fred. 127 00:05:58,600 --> 00:06:04,120 Speaker 5: When you when you get someone to relax enough to 128 00:06:04,160 --> 00:06:06,720 where they can actually get a sense of the motion, 129 00:06:06,839 --> 00:06:10,439 and you start with small motions, small movements back and forth, 130 00:06:10,879 --> 00:06:14,480 and once you get the person swinging the golf club 131 00:06:15,519 --> 00:06:18,600 with nice tempo and nice chiming, and the trick is 132 00:06:18,639 --> 00:06:20,920 swinging the golf club the same speed back and the 133 00:06:20,959 --> 00:06:25,120 same speed through, which goes completely against our human nature 134 00:06:25,160 --> 00:06:26,680 and what we're trying to do because we're trying to 135 00:06:26,720 --> 00:06:27,399 hit the golf ball. 136 00:06:27,639 --> 00:06:30,720 Speaker 2: Did yeah, that you just completely baffled that we did 137 00:06:30,920 --> 00:06:31,759 same speed? 138 00:06:33,639 --> 00:06:36,439 Speaker 4: Kind of interesting, isn't it really interesting? 139 00:06:36,839 --> 00:06:40,319 Speaker 5: Because the golf club will actually, on its own be 140 00:06:40,399 --> 00:06:43,720 going faster at impact. But if we try to put 141 00:06:43,839 --> 00:06:46,240 speed into it, we change the natural motion of the 142 00:06:46,240 --> 00:06:50,120 golf swing. So if the swing is going back and 143 00:06:50,240 --> 00:06:54,000 through in your mind at the same speed, then right 144 00:06:54,040 --> 00:06:55,839 at the bottom of that arc, which is where we 145 00:06:55,879 --> 00:06:59,040 line the golf ball up, it's going at this maximum speed. 146 00:06:59,160 --> 00:07:02,600 So the swing really it starts out slow to fast 147 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:06,720 to slow coming through the ball, so it's fast right 148 00:07:06,800 --> 00:07:08,920 of impact, and then it will start to slow. 149 00:07:08,680 --> 00:07:10,560 Speaker 4: Down as it goes to the end of the golf swing. 150 00:07:11,079 --> 00:07:13,240 Speaker 5: So if you kind of focus and a good way 151 00:07:13,240 --> 00:07:14,839 to feel this is if you hold a golf club 152 00:07:14,839 --> 00:07:17,800 in your fingers thumb and forefinger and just let it 153 00:07:17,839 --> 00:07:19,639 swing back and forth. You're going to feel the weight 154 00:07:19,680 --> 00:07:21,639 of the golf club. Sure, the golf club will swing 155 00:07:21,720 --> 00:07:24,199 back and forth. Okay, So now if you take that 156 00:07:24,279 --> 00:07:27,560 motion and just let your body get in tune with 157 00:07:27,639 --> 00:07:30,600 that motion as the club swings back and swings through, 158 00:07:30,839 --> 00:07:32,920 Now you're going to create some timing in the golf swing. 159 00:07:32,959 --> 00:07:35,439 You're gonna keep you know. 160 00:07:35,399 --> 00:07:36,160 Speaker 4: Get some rhythm. 161 00:07:36,439 --> 00:07:39,279 Speaker 5: You're gonna you're gonna just feel the complete motion of 162 00:07:39,319 --> 00:07:40,160 what's going. 163 00:07:39,920 --> 00:07:44,720 Speaker 4: On where you're in tune with that clubhead. Hmm. 164 00:07:46,560 --> 00:07:49,720 Speaker 2: It's an interesting Yeah, it definitely makes me and I 165 00:07:49,800 --> 00:07:53,360 apologize for the dead air. I know this is not 166 00:07:53,519 --> 00:07:55,399 a good place to have dead air. But when I 167 00:07:55,439 --> 00:07:57,319 get you know, and I hear something like that, I 168 00:07:57,319 --> 00:07:58,199 got to think about it. 169 00:07:58,279 --> 00:07:58,759 Speaker 5: For a moment. 170 00:07:58,839 --> 00:08:01,879 Speaker 2: So I'm trying to because that's why you. 171 00:08:01,839 --> 00:08:03,839 Speaker 5: Know, when I kind of when I start talking about, 172 00:08:04,120 --> 00:08:08,879 you know, swinging the clubhead and feeling that you're swinging 173 00:08:08,920 --> 00:08:09,519 the same. 174 00:08:09,360 --> 00:08:10,600 Speaker 4: Speedback because. 175 00:08:12,199 --> 00:08:14,439 Speaker 5: Of the average golfers that play, they try to put 176 00:08:14,480 --> 00:08:16,319 speed into the club and usually it starts at the 177 00:08:16,360 --> 00:08:19,480 top of the back swing, right, and so that's when 178 00:08:19,480 --> 00:08:21,399 you're going to come over the top. You're going to 179 00:08:21,399 --> 00:08:24,600 release the club early. You're going to just have all 180 00:08:24,720 --> 00:08:27,600 kinds of timing issues of when is the golf club releasing. 181 00:08:27,920 --> 00:08:30,560 So if we focus on releasing the golf club right 182 00:08:30,639 --> 00:08:35,480 at the ball, okay, well that's maximum speed is right 183 00:08:35,519 --> 00:08:36,120 at impact. 184 00:08:36,639 --> 00:08:39,159 Speaker 4: So as the club starts away from the ball, starts. 185 00:08:38,879 --> 00:08:42,840 Speaker 5: Slow, the speed increases as the club comes down through impact, 186 00:08:42,879 --> 00:08:44,759 and then it decreases as it goes to the end 187 00:08:44,799 --> 00:08:45,320 of the golf swing. 188 00:08:45,720 --> 00:08:49,720 Speaker 2: Wow, I know that. In our last conversation, you talked 189 00:08:49,720 --> 00:08:56,679 about not your students, working with your students in getting 190 00:08:56,759 --> 00:08:59,759 the most out of their natural swing, their natural ability, 191 00:08:59,799 --> 00:09:03,600 not trying to compare them to anybody else, but because 192 00:09:03,720 --> 00:09:06,960 they're the tour players are high profile and we get 193 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:09,159 to watch them more than we get to watch ourselves. 194 00:09:10,559 --> 00:09:16,039 Is there somebody's swing that you actually love and think 195 00:09:16,080 --> 00:09:19,480 it is the model? Or is it? Or should I 196 00:09:19,519 --> 00:09:24,399 ask is there somebody's rhythm or tempo that you think 197 00:09:24,559 --> 00:09:25,120 is a model? 198 00:09:26,080 --> 00:09:28,679 Speaker 5: I mean, I think you could look at Ernie El's 199 00:09:28,720 --> 00:09:32,879 and Fred Couple's something you'd say that, And I think 200 00:09:32,919 --> 00:09:36,440 I think one of the best swings that I ever, ever, 201 00:09:36,840 --> 00:09:41,080 still continues to work is Watson because what you what 202 00:09:41,120 --> 00:09:43,840 you're looking at is a constant pace. Okay, it's not slow, 203 00:09:44,559 --> 00:09:46,039 you know, it's not a slow swing. It's not a 204 00:09:46,080 --> 00:09:50,279 fast swing, but it's a constant pace. So the swing 205 00:09:50,360 --> 00:09:52,639 goes back and comes through it. There's a rhythm to 206 00:09:52,679 --> 00:09:55,840 the golf swing. L's is a slower rhythm. Couples is 207 00:09:55,840 --> 00:09:58,919 a slower rhythm. But if you watch L's and Couples 208 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:03,159 hit the ball and watch where the acceleration is, you know, 209 00:10:03,200 --> 00:10:04,120 people are amazed, They. 210 00:10:04,039 --> 00:10:05,759 Speaker 4: Go, how can Couples? How can you hit it? The 211 00:10:05,759 --> 00:10:07,320 far doesn't even swing at it. 212 00:10:07,519 --> 00:10:10,720 Speaker 5: Yeah, but if you watch impact and you watch where 213 00:10:10,759 --> 00:10:14,480 the speed is, there's no effort in it and it's 214 00:10:14,519 --> 00:10:16,600 a smooth acceleration through impact. 215 00:10:17,399 --> 00:10:20,960 Speaker 2: So rhythm tempo is important? Or are those two different things? 216 00:10:21,639 --> 00:10:25,600 Speaker 5: I think rhythm and tempo are very similar. If you 217 00:10:25,600 --> 00:10:28,399 don't have rhythm, you can't have tempo. They work together, 218 00:10:28,799 --> 00:10:30,759 and I think they're they're critical to the golf swing. 219 00:10:31,399 --> 00:10:34,399 I think I think they're probably the number one thing 220 00:10:34,399 --> 00:10:36,039 in the golf swing is rhythm and tempo. 221 00:10:36,519 --> 00:10:38,600 Speaker 2: Is that the number one thing you find in air 222 00:10:38,759 --> 00:10:40,559 with a lot of a lot of amateurs. 223 00:10:41,360 --> 00:10:44,200 Speaker 5: Absolutely, And I think the number one thing that the 224 00:10:44,879 --> 00:10:48,919 average golfer tries to do is hit the ball. And 225 00:10:49,320 --> 00:10:51,080 you know, and I use this a lot when I'm 226 00:10:51,120 --> 00:10:53,000 talking to people, is that if you go down to 227 00:10:53,000 --> 00:10:55,279 the driving range to practice, what are you going to do? 228 00:10:55,360 --> 00:10:56,759 Speaker 4: When somebody said I'm going down. 229 00:10:56,679 --> 00:11:01,039 Speaker 5: To the driving range to hit balls, nobody ever says 230 00:11:01,080 --> 00:11:04,960 they're going down to the driving range to swing right. 231 00:11:05,080 --> 00:11:06,480 Speaker 4: So it's a swing. 232 00:11:06,639 --> 00:11:09,080 Speaker 5: And what I like to try to convey to people 233 00:11:09,159 --> 00:11:11,399 is to try to get them to swing the golf club. 234 00:11:11,919 --> 00:11:13,600 Speaker 4: The ball gets in the way, I'm not going to 235 00:11:13,639 --> 00:11:14,879 try to hit it. I'm not going to try to 236 00:11:14,879 --> 00:11:16,399 guide it. I'm not going to try to lift it. 237 00:11:16,639 --> 00:11:18,200 I'm not going to do anything. I'm just going to 238 00:11:18,200 --> 00:11:20,600 try to get the golf club to swing through the ball. 239 00:11:20,679 --> 00:11:21,759 Let the ball get in the way. 240 00:11:28,200 --> 00:11:33,159 Speaker 2: I found that the impact is just the middle of 241 00:11:33,200 --> 00:11:35,240 your swing. It's not the result. It's not the end 242 00:11:35,240 --> 00:11:36,960 result exactly. 243 00:11:37,639 --> 00:11:39,360 Speaker 5: How many times have you hit a shot on the 244 00:11:39,399 --> 00:11:41,240 golf course that was just felt so soft that the 245 00:11:41,279 --> 00:11:43,840 ball just took off and you're going, dang, I didn't 246 00:11:43,840 --> 00:11:44,720 even swing at that thing. 247 00:11:44,879 --> 00:11:46,639 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, the ball just ripped. 248 00:11:46,440 --> 00:11:49,840 Speaker 2: And always and it always has that perfect sound too. 249 00:11:50,240 --> 00:11:52,759 You can always tell by the sound when it strikes it. 250 00:11:53,360 --> 00:11:54,399 Speaker 4: And then so what do you do is you go 251 00:11:54,440 --> 00:11:55,840 back and try to figure out what you did. 252 00:11:56,200 --> 00:11:57,320 Speaker 2: And try to recreate that. 253 00:11:57,879 --> 00:11:59,759 Speaker 4: And you recreate it. Well, it's a swing. 254 00:12:00,080 --> 00:12:01,919 Speaker 5: You can repeat that swing if you can get that 255 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:07,039 swing moving okay, and feel that golf club, feel that weight. 256 00:12:07,080 --> 00:12:08,320 And the only way you can feel it is to 257 00:12:08,320 --> 00:12:09,159 get the tension. 258 00:12:08,919 --> 00:12:10,720 Speaker 4: Out of your hands. Don't pull it so tight. 259 00:12:12,039 --> 00:12:14,759 Speaker 5: And that leads me to, you know, my two pet 260 00:12:14,799 --> 00:12:17,720 peeves in the golf swing are the two things that 261 00:12:17,720 --> 00:12:19,639 people try to do all the time when they start 262 00:12:19,759 --> 00:12:22,679 is keep your head down and keep your eye. You know, 263 00:12:22,720 --> 00:12:24,200 I'm going to say right hand or here, keep your 264 00:12:24,279 --> 00:12:27,840 left arm straight. How many times have you heard that one? 265 00:12:28,639 --> 00:12:31,080 Speaker 2: I mean, all the time when I'm playing with friends. 266 00:12:31,200 --> 00:12:33,440 Is like when whenever there's a bad shot, it's like, ah, 267 00:12:33,480 --> 00:12:34,279 I lifted my head. 268 00:12:34,919 --> 00:12:37,399 Speaker 5: Yeah, And I think you lift your head because your 269 00:12:37,440 --> 00:12:40,480 body's swinging out a rhythm and your arms go faster 270 00:12:40,559 --> 00:12:42,320 than your lower body, and then your head has to 271 00:12:42,320 --> 00:12:42,960 move because your. 272 00:12:42,919 --> 00:12:45,320 Speaker 4: Shoulders are hitting your head because you're keeping your head down. 273 00:12:45,679 --> 00:12:47,159 Speaker 5: So when you keep your head down, you put your 274 00:12:47,159 --> 00:12:49,320 head down and your chin gets into your chest, so 275 00:12:49,360 --> 00:12:49,840 it gets in. 276 00:12:49,759 --> 00:12:51,320 Speaker 4: The way of the shoulders rotating through. 277 00:12:53,039 --> 00:12:54,840 Speaker 5: So you didn't lift your head on purpose, but it 278 00:12:54,879 --> 00:12:56,480 had to lift up or you're gonna break your neck. 279 00:12:56,919 --> 00:13:01,399 Speaker 2: How do you find tune your rhythm from? You know? 280 00:13:01,399 --> 00:13:05,000 Speaker 4: There? There are several drills. I think one of the one. 281 00:13:04,879 --> 00:13:08,039 Speaker 5: Of the really great drills to do, and it's really 282 00:13:08,200 --> 00:13:11,240 it's probably very difficult for the average player is to 283 00:13:11,279 --> 00:13:13,879 actually try to swing a fold. 284 00:13:13,919 --> 00:13:16,159 Speaker 4: Let's say if you took a five iron out, okay, 285 00:13:16,279 --> 00:13:22,720 and you have your normal yard you know what, Okay, 286 00:13:22,919 --> 00:13:24,080 try to hit it one hundred yards. 287 00:13:24,120 --> 00:13:26,000 Speaker 2: I'm sorry, Tom, I broke up. You broke up on 288 00:13:26,039 --> 00:13:27,799 that last sentence. Please repeat your lessons. 289 00:13:27,840 --> 00:13:33,279 Speaker 5: Sorry, Try to hit airn in slow motion and try 290 00:13:33,279 --> 00:13:34,879 to hit a five iron one hundred yards with a 291 00:13:34,879 --> 00:13:39,799 full motion, you can't accelerate through it. You've got to 292 00:13:39,879 --> 00:13:42,080 let it just be a natural motion, so everything is 293 00:13:42,120 --> 00:13:43,559 moving at a slower pace. 294 00:13:44,799 --> 00:13:47,360 Speaker 4: A lot of work with with short shots. 295 00:13:47,240 --> 00:13:49,799 Speaker 5: Hitting hitting little wedges, I mean, and I think this 296 00:13:49,840 --> 00:13:52,200 is where a lot of people chunk wedg shots and 297 00:13:52,200 --> 00:13:53,919 and and have a lot of trouble around the green 298 00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:55,559 is because they get short and quick and they get 299 00:13:55,600 --> 00:13:56,320 they get fast. 300 00:13:56,679 --> 00:13:59,320 Speaker 4: They don't have rhythm in those short short shots. 301 00:13:59,639 --> 00:14:04,000 Speaker 2: Yeah. I've always noticed that that on those on the 302 00:14:04,039 --> 00:14:06,440 short pitch shots that you know, chips around the green 303 00:14:06,440 --> 00:14:10,120 and whatnot, that I'm always the back, especially on the backswing, 304 00:14:10,159 --> 00:14:13,080 it's going a lot faster than right then right, and 305 00:14:13,120 --> 00:14:17,759 when slowing that down, yeah, I have better results. 306 00:14:18,440 --> 00:14:21,759 Speaker 5: Think about that that Grandfather clock that you've seen with 307 00:14:21,799 --> 00:14:26,159 that pendulum moving back and forth, sure perfect motion times 308 00:14:26,159 --> 00:14:27,080 all the clocks in the world. 309 00:14:27,639 --> 00:14:30,360 Speaker 4: Yeah, So why can't we use that to time the golf. 310 00:14:30,159 --> 00:14:35,399 Speaker 2: Swing Because that pendulum has never hit a ball, and 311 00:14:35,440 --> 00:14:36,799 it never follows through. 312 00:14:37,039 --> 00:14:39,440 Speaker 4: And it goes back the other way all the time. 313 00:14:39,840 --> 00:14:41,399 Speaker 2: It's like, come on back, Nope, come back that. 314 00:14:41,440 --> 00:14:44,000 Speaker 5: Way, No going the other way, And there's always that 315 00:14:44,000 --> 00:14:47,559 little hesitation before it goes back the other way, and 316 00:14:47,759 --> 00:14:50,120 you can incorporate that into your golf swing, where at 317 00:14:50,159 --> 00:14:53,000 the top of your back swing there's a hesitation before 318 00:14:53,039 --> 00:14:57,759 you go the other way. Okay, yeah, hesitate to rotate back. 319 00:14:57,639 --> 00:14:58,120 Speaker 4: Through the ball. 320 00:14:58,559 --> 00:15:01,559 Speaker 2: But it's not it's not a conscious hesitation. It's not 321 00:15:01,679 --> 00:15:05,559 a hold right, not when. 322 00:15:05,320 --> 00:15:07,440 Speaker 5: You get it going right right at first, it may 323 00:15:07,480 --> 00:15:10,960 have to be a conscious stop. Okay, when you're when 324 00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:13,080 you're practicing it, when you're kind of trying to get 325 00:15:13,080 --> 00:15:16,200 a feel for this. I don't think there's anything wrong 326 00:15:16,279 --> 00:15:18,960 with stopping a little bit longer just to feel it. 327 00:15:19,720 --> 00:15:20,759 Speaker 4: You get it to the top of the. 328 00:15:20,679 --> 00:15:24,519 Speaker 5: Back swing, everything stops, everything moves back through, and then 329 00:15:24,559 --> 00:15:27,000 as you start to feel that rhythm, then you can 330 00:15:27,039 --> 00:15:27,960 pick up the pace. 331 00:15:27,759 --> 00:15:29,240 Speaker 4: Of the swing just a little bit. You kind of 332 00:15:29,240 --> 00:15:31,720 pick up your tempo. So there's there's that constant pace, 333 00:15:31,720 --> 00:15:34,440 so it's not slow. You're not swinging that. 334 00:15:33,960 --> 00:15:38,000 Speaker 5: That real slow back and through, but it's back up 335 00:15:38,000 --> 00:15:39,039 to the top and back through. 336 00:15:39,200 --> 00:15:41,399 Speaker 4: You know, it's a constant pace back and through. 337 00:15:43,320 --> 00:15:46,799 Speaker 2: And then you have the concept or you have fourteen 338 00:15:46,799 --> 00:15:51,600 clubs in your bag and they're all different lengths, so 339 00:15:52,320 --> 00:15:54,879 how does that impact your rhythm? How does that impact 340 00:15:54,879 --> 00:16:02,000 the speed or swinging the clubhead or does it? 341 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:05,279 Speaker 5: It shouldn't. It's going to be exactly the same. The 342 00:16:05,399 --> 00:16:07,960 longer club just has a little longer to travel. So 343 00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:11,360 if you're taking a driver and basically in your setup position, 344 00:16:11,399 --> 00:16:13,480 you're in the same setup position because the club is 345 00:16:13,639 --> 00:16:16,480 built to move further away from the ball just because 346 00:16:16,480 --> 00:16:16,840 of the li. 347 00:16:16,799 --> 00:16:17,840 Speaker 4: Angle of the golf club. 348 00:16:18,159 --> 00:16:20,360 Speaker 5: So if you're swinging the driver at the same rhythm 349 00:16:20,360 --> 00:16:23,799 as a wedge, okay, you're just going to have a consistent, 350 00:16:23,919 --> 00:16:26,120 repeating golf swing day in and day out. 351 00:16:26,159 --> 00:16:28,120 Speaker 4: It's going to be the same. It's never going to change. 352 00:16:29,600 --> 00:16:33,120 Speaker 2: Have you ever been introduced to a scene or even 353 00:16:33,279 --> 00:16:37,000 tried the one length set of irons? 354 00:16:38,360 --> 00:16:42,000 Speaker 5: I saw those years ago when they first came out. 355 00:16:42,039 --> 00:16:45,440 PGA made those golf clubs the PGA Golf Company, and 356 00:16:46,320 --> 00:16:48,879 they're not around anymore, I don't think, so it must 357 00:16:48,919 --> 00:16:49,440 not have worked. 358 00:16:49,840 --> 00:16:52,720 Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I mean, because you know, the theory I 359 00:16:52,759 --> 00:16:56,679 guess is that the club head itself is the angle 360 00:16:57,840 --> 00:17:00,519 that's going to be where the ball comes off. So 361 00:17:00,799 --> 00:17:04,359 why and it would make it I guess for you know, 362 00:17:04,559 --> 00:17:06,759 high handicappers. It would make it a lot easier if 363 00:17:06,799 --> 00:17:09,000 they just had the same length to deal with every time, 364 00:17:09,000 --> 00:17:11,480 as opposed to being too close to the ball, being 365 00:17:11,480 --> 00:17:12,480 far away from the ball. 366 00:17:12,799 --> 00:17:16,559 Speaker 5: You know, well, I think that's where, you know, coaching 367 00:17:16,559 --> 00:17:17,759 and instruction comes in. 368 00:17:17,880 --> 00:17:18,680 Speaker 4: You know that that. 369 00:17:18,680 --> 00:17:22,240 Speaker 5: People need to really get some guidance, They need to 370 00:17:22,240 --> 00:17:24,359 find a good instructor, they need to find a good 371 00:17:24,400 --> 00:17:27,960 PGA golf professional that can guide them, you know. And 372 00:17:28,359 --> 00:17:30,640 that's where people will do that. They'll they'll change with 373 00:17:30,720 --> 00:17:33,200 every club. And I don't I personally don't think that 374 00:17:33,279 --> 00:17:36,759 you change your setup position with every club. If your 375 00:17:36,920 --> 00:17:40,880 arms are hanging in the same position, you say, with 376 00:17:40,920 --> 00:17:43,799 an eight iron and a three wood. Okay, the golf 377 00:17:43,839 --> 00:17:47,079 clubs are built to take care of that distance. 378 00:17:48,079 --> 00:17:50,079 Speaker 4: So if you repeat that setup. 379 00:17:49,680 --> 00:17:53,960 Speaker 5: Position, just change your ball position longer club ball moves 380 00:17:53,960 --> 00:17:56,440 a little bit further forward. You make the same motion 381 00:17:56,599 --> 00:17:58,559 with the golf swing. The length of the club creates 382 00:17:58,559 --> 00:18:01,400 a little more speed and you and the loft of 383 00:18:01,440 --> 00:18:03,759 the club combined with the length of the club creates 384 00:18:03,839 --> 00:18:04,440 more distance. 385 00:18:08,319 --> 00:18:10,799 Speaker 2: Let's get back to what we were finishing up with 386 00:18:10,839 --> 00:18:14,440 on our last episode, and you were talking about golf 387 00:18:14,480 --> 00:18:20,079 course management and course management, which has nothing to do 388 00:18:20,160 --> 00:18:23,880 with working at a golf course. I like to just 389 00:18:23,920 --> 00:18:26,400 call it strategy. It's easier for me when I say strategy. 390 00:18:26,960 --> 00:18:29,279 Speaker 4: Golf course. Yeah, management, what do you? 391 00:18:29,319 --> 00:18:33,599 Speaker 2: What do you work in the exactly? I'm a bartender. 392 00:18:33,960 --> 00:18:37,279 So i'd like to talk about You talked about going 393 00:18:37,319 --> 00:18:39,960 out on the course and sticking a person at one 394 00:18:40,039 --> 00:18:42,279 hundred and fifty yards and you know, seeing how they 395 00:18:42,319 --> 00:18:46,839 approach and whatnot. Let's talk about course management from within 396 00:18:46,880 --> 00:18:50,319 one hundred and fifty yards and then from there. Let's 397 00:18:50,319 --> 00:18:52,039 talk about this for a while, and then from there 398 00:18:52,119 --> 00:18:55,200 before we leave, I'd like to also pick your brain 399 00:18:55,240 --> 00:18:57,359 a little bit about what you say is one of 400 00:18:57,359 --> 00:19:01,039 your specialties, which is working around the greens. Okay, so 401 00:19:01,440 --> 00:19:05,400 let's the critical time inside one hundred and fifty yards. 402 00:19:06,359 --> 00:19:09,799 It's more important than most people realize. I think. I 403 00:19:09,839 --> 00:19:12,119 think that they're so set on hitting the ball as 404 00:19:12,160 --> 00:19:15,359 hard and far as they can off the tee and 405 00:19:15,440 --> 00:19:20,279 not realizing that you really can improve your scores. If 406 00:19:20,279 --> 00:19:22,799 you don't focus on that, you can get away with 407 00:19:22,880 --> 00:19:25,960 a lot of garbage. I had. I had a shot 408 00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:30,359 this weekend where my te shot went forty yards I 409 00:19:30,440 --> 00:19:33,160 just I hit four inches behind the ball, the big 410 00:19:33,240 --> 00:19:35,880 piece of dirt. The ball rolled and I parted the hole. 411 00:19:37,519 --> 00:19:39,720 Luckily it was a one putt. But I mean, you 412 00:19:39,799 --> 00:19:42,079 can get away with a bad tea shot, but you 413 00:19:42,359 --> 00:19:46,480 cannot get away with bad shots inside one hundred and fifty. 414 00:19:47,799 --> 00:19:48,359 Speaker 4: I agree. 415 00:19:48,440 --> 00:19:50,960 Speaker 5: And when you look at a green, you know, most 416 00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:52,799 of the bunkers or most of the trouble on a 417 00:19:52,839 --> 00:19:54,880 hole is around the green. You know, there'll be some 418 00:19:54,920 --> 00:19:57,319 fairway bunkers and things like that, maybe a lake near 419 00:19:57,599 --> 00:20:00,200 some water at one point, you know, depending on the 420 00:20:00,079 --> 00:20:01,559 the difficulty of the golf course. 421 00:20:01,680 --> 00:20:03,680 Speaker 4: But when you get in that we call that the 422 00:20:03,759 --> 00:20:04,400 scoring zone. 423 00:20:04,440 --> 00:20:07,720 Speaker 5: When you get inside that one fifty, that one hundred yards, okay, 424 00:20:07,920 --> 00:20:10,839 that's that is where you're going to make up a 425 00:20:10,839 --> 00:20:15,359 lot of strokes, So you know, and I think one 426 00:20:15,359 --> 00:20:19,319 of the things again goes back to the player really 427 00:20:19,400 --> 00:20:23,799 knowing how far they hit the ball, knowing your real yardage, 428 00:20:24,440 --> 00:20:27,079 you know, and knowing you know not just how far 429 00:20:27,240 --> 00:20:30,319 is the is the pin, but you know it's it's 430 00:20:30,400 --> 00:20:32,039 if you play a course a lot, you'll know how 431 00:20:32,039 --> 00:20:34,359 big a green is. And a lot of the times 432 00:20:34,880 --> 00:20:37,759 there's not a lot of trouble long. There might be 433 00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:40,640 a bunker somewhere back there, just for a cosmetic thing 434 00:20:40,680 --> 00:20:44,279 that they show. But usually a person is not going 435 00:20:44,359 --> 00:20:46,519 to knock a ball unless they kind of blade want 436 00:20:46,559 --> 00:20:50,079 to knock it really long. Very seldom are they going 437 00:20:50,119 --> 00:20:52,359 to miss a green long. Most of the time they're 438 00:20:52,359 --> 00:20:53,920 always going to miss the green shorts. 439 00:20:53,920 --> 00:20:55,839 Speaker 4: So you know, I. 440 00:20:55,759 --> 00:20:58,680 Speaker 5: Would say, you know, just error on this on the 441 00:20:58,720 --> 00:21:01,519 side of being a little bit longer than really trying 442 00:21:01,559 --> 00:21:04,519 to you know, maybe be really precise with that, you know, 443 00:21:04,599 --> 00:21:07,519 one hundred and forty five yards shot right over the 444 00:21:07,559 --> 00:21:09,200 top of the bunker, you know, hit it one hundred 445 00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:10,519 and fifty five and get it to the middle of 446 00:21:10,519 --> 00:21:11,759 the green and tupots. 447 00:21:18,119 --> 00:21:20,440 Speaker 2: We had Dave Stockton on the show when his book 448 00:21:20,480 --> 00:21:25,079 came out earlier this year, and he gave this piece 449 00:21:25,119 --> 00:21:27,960 of advice that I have found incredibly helpful, and that 450 00:21:28,160 --> 00:21:31,480 is he never takes just one club to the ball. 451 00:21:32,799 --> 00:21:34,640 You know, it's like, Okay, I'm at one hundred and 452 00:21:34,680 --> 00:21:38,920 fifty yards. That's generally my six iron. Not for Stockton obviously, 453 00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:44,240 but you know, but but that just doesn't mean because 454 00:21:44,279 --> 00:21:46,480 you're one hundred and fifty yards that is the club 455 00:21:46,519 --> 00:21:49,519 to hit. So he takes a couple of clubs and decides, 456 00:21:49,559 --> 00:21:51,079 you know, he looks at the lie, he looks at 457 00:21:51,079 --> 00:21:54,599 the wind, he looks at where the the you know, 458 00:21:54,680 --> 00:21:57,079 the pin is placed on the green if you want 459 00:21:57,119 --> 00:21:59,920 to attack it, you know. And I find that I go, 460 00:22:00,359 --> 00:22:04,319 I'm short a lot, and that recently I'm clubbing up 461 00:22:04,559 --> 00:22:06,680 more often than I ever have, and I'm having a 462 00:22:06,759 --> 00:22:07,799 lot more success. 463 00:22:08,559 --> 00:22:12,119 Speaker 5: It's great, No, and yeah, because they put most of 464 00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:15,240 the trouble in the front of the greens, because they 465 00:22:15,319 --> 00:22:18,400 just seem to just realize that the average guy's going 466 00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:19,519 to go out. 467 00:22:19,119 --> 00:22:21,559 Speaker 4: There and lady and they're not going to hit enough 468 00:22:21,559 --> 00:22:24,000 golf club. And part of it is not really being 469 00:22:24,119 --> 00:22:25,920 honest and being you know, for. 470 00:22:25,839 --> 00:22:27,079 Speaker 5: The guys, I got to let their ego go a 471 00:22:27,119 --> 00:22:28,720 little bit and say, you know what, I don't hit 472 00:22:28,759 --> 00:22:30,839 my seven iron one hundred and sixty yards, you know, 473 00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:32,359 I hit it one hundred and thirty. 474 00:22:32,079 --> 00:22:36,039 Speaker 4: Five, and you know, and use a little bit more club. 475 00:22:36,079 --> 00:22:38,359 Speaker 5: And the other thing that happens when you use a 476 00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:40,759 little bit more club is you're going to swing a 477 00:22:40,799 --> 00:22:41,720 little smoother. 478 00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:42,960 Speaker 4: And not hit it quite as hard. 479 00:22:44,079 --> 00:22:46,599 Speaker 5: And that might lead into why I think the real 480 00:22:46,680 --> 00:22:50,039 short game, the chipping and pitching are so important because 481 00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:51,440 if you're really. 482 00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:52,359 Speaker 4: Good at that takes. 483 00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:53,680 Speaker 5: A lot of pressure off of you out there one 484 00:22:53,759 --> 00:22:56,799 hundred and fifty yards. If you're a bad chipper and 485 00:22:56,880 --> 00:22:58,720 a bed you've got a really bad short game and 486 00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:00,559 you're one hundred and fifty yards. You put so much 487 00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:02,599 pressure on yourself because if I don't hit the green, 488 00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:04,880 I've got triple bogie here or something, you know, because 489 00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:07,079 I can't chip, I can't hit bunker shots. 490 00:23:07,079 --> 00:23:07,720 Speaker 4: I can't do this. 491 00:23:07,839 --> 00:23:10,599 Speaker 5: And that's the way people think I've got to hit 492 00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:13,680 the green because it's I guarantee it's a double bogie if. 493 00:23:13,559 --> 00:23:16,480 Speaker 2: I don't hit the green, and that that kind of 494 00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:19,759 pressure it itself is just not going to help exactly. 495 00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:22,039 Speaker 5: You know you, I mean, you might get lucky once 496 00:23:22,039 --> 00:23:23,680 in a while and hit one, but when you put 497 00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:26,920 that heat on yourself, you're just you're gonna you're gonna 498 00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:28,960 miss the shot. In ninety percent of the time, you're 499 00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:30,839 either gonna hit it fat, you're gonna pull it, You're 500 00:23:30,839 --> 00:23:33,319 gonna you know, push it. It's it's it's going to 501 00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:35,920 end up in disaster. But when you do, when you 502 00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:37,240 can get it up and down from the edge of 503 00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:39,319 the green. When you can chip it up and make 504 00:23:39,359 --> 00:23:42,400 the putt, you can stand out there a one hundred 505 00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:44,559 and fifty hundred and forty yards and you take a 506 00:23:44,759 --> 00:23:47,200 huge amount of pressure off of yourself in the game 507 00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:50,720 and just you're going to enjoy it a lot more 508 00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:51,799 because you say, you know what, I don't care for, 509 00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:53,440 miss Green, I'm a great bunker player. 510 00:23:53,759 --> 00:23:56,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, and walk into a bunker going, oh, this is 511 00:23:56,519 --> 00:23:59,880 going to be fun instead of going oh no, no, no, 512 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:00,519 I don't want to. 513 00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:04,880 Speaker 5: Be oh my god, yeah, change your attitude and you 514 00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:06,920 hit it in a bunker. I got no chance, you know, 515 00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:08,680 I might as well take a triple right now because 516 00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:11,400 I can't play bunker shots. Well, how many times do 517 00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:14,519 people practice bunker shots, you know? And that's that's kind 518 00:24:14,519 --> 00:24:15,799 of one of the things. I think a lot of 519 00:24:15,799 --> 00:24:20,920 golf courses maybe don't have that good practice area where 520 00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:23,720 you can practice your bunker shots and practice your short game. 521 00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:26,000 And you you know, you surely can't practice them on 522 00:24:26,039 --> 00:24:28,799 the golf course while you're playing because. 523 00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:30,079 Speaker 4: You got to keep up with the group in front 524 00:24:30,079 --> 00:24:31,799 of you. You know, you can't hold up play and 525 00:24:31,839 --> 00:24:34,480 hit extra shots. So it's it's really hard for people 526 00:24:34,519 --> 00:24:37,079 to practice that short game. So you know, again, finding 527 00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:37,839 finding a good. 528 00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:40,160 Speaker 5: Facility that's got a place to practice that short game 529 00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:40,920 is really important. 530 00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:44,680 Speaker 2: Kind of bird you have back there, Oh. 531 00:24:44,279 --> 00:24:46,839 Speaker 5: That's a little Senegal parrots. 532 00:24:46,519 --> 00:24:48,799 Speaker 4: He's about two rooms away and you can still hear him. 533 00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:51,200 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, he broke a glass in here. 534 00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:56,920 Speaker 4: I moved him to the other room. You know, he 535 00:24:56,920 --> 00:24:58,240 hears me talking about him right now. 536 00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:05,720 Speaker 2: So okay, let's let's say, uh, we're one hundred and 537 00:25:05,759 --> 00:25:10,839 fifty out. I hit my seven iron is my is 538 00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:15,240 my one forty two club, and my six iron is 539 00:25:15,279 --> 00:25:19,240 my one fifty five club, and I'm one hundred and fifty. 540 00:25:19,279 --> 00:25:24,000 You know the whole I'm between club's dilemma? What do 541 00:25:24,079 --> 00:25:26,599 I do? How do I how do I deal with that? 542 00:25:27,079 --> 00:25:28,440 How do what do you advise on that? 543 00:25:29,279 --> 00:25:32,279 Speaker 5: Go with the longer club. Hit the ball a little longer, 544 00:25:32,319 --> 00:25:35,319 and you're gonna be on the green because you're gonna 545 00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:38,640 you're gonna take that that club that's just not quite enough. 546 00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:41,440 Speaker 4: It's going to force you to swing a little harder. 547 00:25:41,759 --> 00:25:43,920 You're and you know, you may not be conscious, you 548 00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:46,000 may not be out there saying okay, you know I 549 00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:47,400 it's gonna be on the front of the green. But 550 00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:48,559 then right there, you know it's not. 551 00:25:48,559 --> 00:25:50,519 Speaker 5: Quite enough, so you try to goose it a little bit, 552 00:25:50,519 --> 00:25:52,799 try to give it a little extra Generally, it's gonna 553 00:25:52,839 --> 00:25:53,960 end up with a poorly hit. 554 00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:56,400 Speaker 2: Shot, right because now we're going back to what you 555 00:25:56,440 --> 00:25:58,319 were saying about your adding tension because you're trying to 556 00:25:58,319 --> 00:26:00,319 swing harder, right right. 557 00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:02,359 Speaker 5: I gotta I gotta hit this one really good, because 558 00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:03,640 if I don't hit this one good, I'm in the 559 00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:05,759 bunker or I'm short of the green. So I'm going 560 00:26:05,799 --> 00:26:08,119 to jump on it a little bit, and that throws 561 00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:10,039 your normal timing out of whack. 562 00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:12,279 Speaker 4: It throws your rhythm out right well. 563 00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:16,519 Speaker 2: And I think that this is part of what like 564 00:26:16,519 --> 00:26:20,160 like a front pin creates a situation in your head 565 00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:22,119 where you're trying to you're trying to get the ball 566 00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:23,920 in the hole, so you're going to come up short, 567 00:26:24,319 --> 00:26:26,119 you know, instead of just going for the middle of 568 00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:28,720 the green and coming back right. 569 00:26:28,759 --> 00:26:33,400 Speaker 4: And I think if you know where people hit, they 570 00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:33,839 try to. 571 00:26:33,839 --> 00:26:36,960 Speaker 5: Hit shots that they're not capable of hitting, and that's 572 00:26:37,039 --> 00:26:39,599 why they're a twenty five handicap, you know, And that's 573 00:26:39,599 --> 00:26:42,119 why they make the triples and the you know, the quads, 574 00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:44,079 and they're just going, what's wrong with my game? 575 00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:47,440 Speaker 4: Well, you know, they're not playing at their ability level. 576 00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:50,839 They're there. They saw this shot on TV exactly I can. 577 00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:52,799 I think I can hit this shot right over that 578 00:26:52,839 --> 00:26:53,920 bunker with a little draw. 579 00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:55,720 Speaker 5: And they've never hit a draw in their life, you know, 580 00:26:55,759 --> 00:26:57,359 but they're gonna they're going to hit that draw because 581 00:26:57,400 --> 00:27:00,359 they saw, you know, Tiger hit it right, and you know, 582 00:27:00,519 --> 00:27:02,680 and so it ends up they you know, they yank 583 00:27:02,759 --> 00:27:05,119 went over in the bunker somewhere and they got a 584 00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:07,200 big number. It's just you got to take those big 585 00:27:07,319 --> 00:27:08,839 numbers out of the game, and you got to take 586 00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:11,519 the lost balls and the penalty shots. 587 00:27:12,519 --> 00:27:13,680 Speaker 4: You know, keep the ball in play. 588 00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:17,000 Speaker 2: And I apologize to the audience for being so redundant. 589 00:27:17,039 --> 00:27:21,160 But one of my favorite favorite all time lines was 590 00:27:21,279 --> 00:27:23,480 actually told to me by a Golf Smarter listener when 591 00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:25,880 we were all playing together. He says, never follow a 592 00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:30,720 bad shot with a stupid shot, right, Yeah, And so 593 00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:33,920 it is so often where you hit some you hit 594 00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:36,759 your drive and it goes errand and it's over in 595 00:27:36,799 --> 00:27:40,279 the trees and there's an opening and you can see 596 00:27:40,319 --> 00:27:42,640 the green you can see the flag. There's nothing in 597 00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:46,200 the way except there's trees lining the entire area. But 598 00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:49,559 there's this small opening. So you're like, I can go 599 00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:52,920 for that. You've gotten double bogie all over that, right, 600 00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:53,519 double making. 601 00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:57,960 Speaker 5: Yeah, there's a there's a one percent six best rate 602 00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:01,319 in going through that opening right again. You know, so 603 00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:03,680 they're you know, they're just leaving themselves. Knock it out 604 00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:06,599 in the fairway. Take your medicine, you know, and you'll 605 00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:08,720 see you'll see the really good players. 606 00:28:08,759 --> 00:28:10,839 Speaker 4: You'll see the tour players. Take their medicine. Okay, I 607 00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:11,359 hit it in the. 608 00:28:11,319 --> 00:28:14,799 Speaker 5: Rough here, I'm chipping it out, and you know, they're 609 00:28:14,839 --> 00:28:18,559 they're very seldom they're going to hit the master's one 610 00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:23,440 hundred and fifty yard four hundred forty forty yard hook 611 00:28:23,559 --> 00:28:26,160 around trees with a wedge. You know that the bubble hit. 612 00:28:26,319 --> 00:28:28,880 You know, that's that's once in a lifetime shot, you know, 613 00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:29,599 and people. 614 00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:32,319 Speaker 4: Say, you know, I think I can do that. Yeah, right, 615 00:28:33,799 --> 00:28:35,640 you take your medicine, chip it. 616 00:28:35,599 --> 00:28:38,680 Speaker 2: Out, and really it's like you're sitting there in that 617 00:28:38,759 --> 00:28:40,759 bad position and you're going, okay, I can get there 618 00:28:40,799 --> 00:28:43,440 from here, and it's like, wait a minute, think about 619 00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:46,920 the results before you take that swing. If you don't 620 00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:48,960 make it, and chances are you won't, but I know 621 00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:52,680 you think you can. So now you're looking at double 622 00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:56,079 bogie maybe at best, but here if you just go ahead, 623 00:28:56,119 --> 00:28:58,640 put it back in the fairway. Now you've got a 624 00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:01,160 shorter shot to the green. You put it up on 625 00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:02,759 the green. All of a sudden, you're now you're playing 626 00:29:02,759 --> 00:29:05,480 a bogie. That's okay, right. 627 00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:07,839 Speaker 5: Exactly exactly. So you know, if you if you made 628 00:29:07,839 --> 00:29:09,400 a bogie in every hole, you shoot ninety. 629 00:29:10,319 --> 00:29:15,039 Speaker 2: Hello, it's like if you get a five on every hole, 630 00:29:15,599 --> 00:29:18,799 you shoot ninety. And so many people are struggling to 631 00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:22,119 break ninety and they don't see it. They keep trying 632 00:29:22,119 --> 00:29:24,599 to do things that, like you said, they're not practicing. 633 00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:27,759 You know that in practice. 634 00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:30,240 Speaker 5: Right, But you've seen the other one is where the 635 00:29:30,359 --> 00:29:31,920 you know, you're in the rough to the right, it's 636 00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:35,480 long grass and you hit it. You're going to hit 637 00:29:36,119 --> 00:29:39,839 you know, it's you know, one hundred five yards of 638 00:29:39,839 --> 00:29:41,000 the green. So I'm going to hit a four iron 639 00:29:41,039 --> 00:29:42,599 out of this rough and you know, you hit it 640 00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:45,039 about fifty yards and it stays in the rough, you know, 641 00:29:45,119 --> 00:29:46,759 and then you try to advance it and you keep 642 00:29:46,759 --> 00:29:49,839 trying to advance it up the rough rather than Okay, 643 00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:51,920 let's hit something with loft, get it out in front 644 00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:54,079 of the green where I can knock a nine iron 645 00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:56,359 or a wedge onto the green. And you know, it's 646 00:29:56,440 --> 00:30:00,480 just minimizing your damage, just trying to look at it 647 00:30:00,039 --> 00:30:04,480 and say okay. And I think if people would approach 648 00:30:04,559 --> 00:30:07,359 that shot and take just a few extra seconds, it 649 00:30:07,359 --> 00:30:10,039 doesn't take very long and they start with it, look 650 00:30:10,039 --> 00:30:10,200 at it. 651 00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:11,160 Speaker 4: Okay, if I if. 652 00:30:11,079 --> 00:30:13,319 Speaker 5: I go through that opening, you know I could hit 653 00:30:13,359 --> 00:30:16,559 you know, that's a possibility. But my success rate there 654 00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:19,240 is one percent. Okay, if I chip it out to 655 00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:22,240 the fairway, that's ninety percent. If I kind of take 656 00:30:22,279 --> 00:30:25,119 a little bit more cut off of the you know, 657 00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:27,000 around the edge of the tree, that's maybe a fifty 658 00:30:27,039 --> 00:30:27,880 percent kind of rate. 659 00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:29,960 Speaker 4: You know what I'm going with the ninety You. 660 00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:32,200 Speaker 5: Know, it's you know, if you just take that just 661 00:30:32,279 --> 00:30:34,880 a little bit more time in looking what your options 662 00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:38,759 are and not being the hero heroes to turn into 663 00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:40,680 you know, it doesn't work most. 664 00:30:40,559 --> 00:30:40,920 Speaker 4: Of the time. 665 00:30:41,039 --> 00:30:50,359 Speaker 2: Zeros. Yeah, yeah, let's spend the last couple of minutes 666 00:30:50,359 --> 00:30:52,680 here about working around the green. Okay, So now you've 667 00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:54,720 taken that one hundred and fifty yards to the hole 668 00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:57,359 and you've hit it. Actually, you've pulled out the wrong 669 00:30:57,400 --> 00:30:59,599 club and your ego is too big, and you hit 670 00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:01,359 it one hundre and thirty five yards. Now you're five 671 00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:04,519 yards short of the hole and the pins in the middle. 672 00:31:05,359 --> 00:31:09,359 The key here is to not chip and then two putt. 673 00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:12,480 The key is to make that chip, get it as 674 00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:15,119 close to the hole as possible for taping. That would 675 00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:17,480 be the goal, well, right, the goals to make it, 676 00:31:17,519 --> 00:31:19,720 but chances are that's not going to happen. 677 00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:22,920 Speaker 5: Okay, So simply the way I kind of approach this, 678 00:31:23,119 --> 00:31:25,640 I mean most people, and I think maybe one of 679 00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:27,319 the worst clubs that might have been invented was the 680 00:31:27,359 --> 00:31:30,759 sixty degree wedge because everybody wants to use a sixty 681 00:31:30,799 --> 00:31:33,079 degree around the green because they can't stop the ball. 682 00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:36,720 Speaker 4: Okay, you know, I think there's spots for that club. 683 00:31:38,359 --> 00:31:40,160 But I think the first thing that you look at 684 00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:41,519 is what kind of a lie do you have? 685 00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:44,119 Speaker 5: How's my ball sitting? Is it in deep grass? Is 686 00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:46,400 it sitting up? Do I have a nice lie? 687 00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:48,640 Speaker 4: You know? Can I get to it? Okay? 688 00:31:48,839 --> 00:31:50,880 Speaker 5: Then the second thing you look to is how much 689 00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:54,839 ground is there? How much grass or how much ground 690 00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:58,519 between my ball and the front edge of the green 691 00:31:58,519 --> 00:32:01,160 where I'm going to you know, from the green or 692 00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:03,319 the edge of the green to the hole. How much 693 00:32:03,359 --> 00:32:06,240 green do I have to work with? Okay, so first 694 00:32:06,279 --> 00:32:10,359 of all, how much how's my lie? How high in 695 00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:11,000 the air do I. 696 00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:12,839 Speaker 4: Have to get my ball? And how much ground do I. 697 00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:14,480 Speaker 5: Have to carry to get the ball onto the green 698 00:32:14,759 --> 00:32:18,000 and let it start rolling like a putt? So I 699 00:32:18,039 --> 00:32:21,720 think when you start looking at once my ball lands 700 00:32:21,759 --> 00:32:24,440 on the green, how much green do I have to 701 00:32:24,559 --> 00:32:28,319 roll the ball out to the hole. So you're trying 702 00:32:28,319 --> 00:32:30,440 to use the terrain of the green. So you're going 703 00:32:30,519 --> 00:32:33,039 to use a golf club that's going to lift the 704 00:32:33,079 --> 00:32:36,240 ball enough to get it over the fringe, get it 705 00:32:36,279 --> 00:32:37,440 on the green and start rolling. 706 00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:39,759 Speaker 4: So if you're five feet off the. 707 00:32:39,839 --> 00:32:41,799 Speaker 5: Edge of the green and you've got a pretty decent lie, 708 00:32:41,839 --> 00:32:44,920 and you've got thirty feet thirty forty feet to the pin, 709 00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:49,160 and you hit a lofted club like a sandwich, you 710 00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:51,480 get no chance because you're trying to you know, you're 711 00:32:51,519 --> 00:32:53,279 trying to carry that you have to carry the ball 712 00:32:53,319 --> 00:32:55,119 too far out onto the green and then you really 713 00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:58,279 can't control what's going to happen when it lands. So 714 00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:00,880 you take a nine iron, maybe pitching wedge, even an 715 00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:03,319 eight iron, and just get the ball onto the green 716 00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:05,319 and let us start rolling like a putt. So if 717 00:33:05,359 --> 00:33:07,079 you approach it like that, I think you just have 718 00:33:07,119 --> 00:33:09,920 so much more success because you're using the terrain and 719 00:33:10,039 --> 00:33:12,000 using the slope of the green and rolling it. 720 00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:12,519 Speaker 4: Like a putt. 721 00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:16,880 Speaker 2: And then there's the whole concept of backspin or making 722 00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:19,599 the ball check, you know, making it getting enough where 723 00:33:19,599 --> 00:33:24,079 it's gonna hit and just hold tight, which is so 724 00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:26,400 hard to do well. 725 00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:28,079 Speaker 5: And particularly if you're close to the green because you're 726 00:33:28,119 --> 00:33:33,599 not creating enough speed to spin the ball. I heard 727 00:33:33,599 --> 00:33:36,359 a you know, just kind of going on backspin, and 728 00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:39,279 I believe it was mister Venturi who said this at. 729 00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:41,680 Speaker 4: A clinic one time. He was talking about people. 730 00:33:41,519 --> 00:33:44,559 Speaker 5: Asking questions, and the guy asked him how. 731 00:33:44,559 --> 00:33:46,720 Speaker 4: Do you back the ball up? How do you put 732 00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:50,519 that backspin on it? And he was at Venturing asking 733 00:33:50,559 --> 00:33:53,720 him how far do you hit your seven iron? He 734 00:33:53,759 --> 00:33:55,119 said one hundred and twenty yards. He said, why do 735 00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:58,680 you want to back it up? You know it's a 736 00:34:00,039 --> 00:34:01,559 hitting balls with backspin is. 737 00:34:03,039 --> 00:34:06,720 Speaker 5: Hard to do because, particularly around the green, I don't 738 00:34:06,839 --> 00:34:12,360 think you can create enough speed in the club to 739 00:34:12,559 --> 00:34:16,360 create backspin. You can create check if you're using the 740 00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:19,920 loft of the club, and you know it has to 741 00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:20,320 do with. 742 00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:23,679 Speaker 4: Keeping your your lead arm ahead of the club head. 743 00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:25,679 Speaker 5: So you're pulling the golf club through the ball and 744 00:34:25,679 --> 00:34:29,159 you're not flipping it with your backhand right and that's 745 00:34:29,199 --> 00:34:30,639 where you flip flip the club. 746 00:34:30,679 --> 00:34:32,360 Speaker 4: If you're a right hand it's your right hand. 747 00:34:32,639 --> 00:34:35,760 Speaker 5: You kind of your club head gets ahead of everything 748 00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:37,039 else and the ball goes up in the air and 749 00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:38,719 there's no spin on it at all. 750 00:34:39,079 --> 00:34:42,039 Speaker 4: Okay, So it's it's really keeping your hands. 751 00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:44,719 Speaker 5: Ahead of the club head and letting the loft of 752 00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:47,920 the golf club create whatever height is going to come 753 00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:48,599 out of it, and. 754 00:34:48,519 --> 00:34:49,719 Speaker 4: The ball is actually going to spin. 755 00:34:50,119 --> 00:34:51,880 Speaker 5: Okay, if you're in long grass, you're not going to 756 00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:52,840 spin it out of long grass. 757 00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:56,199 Speaker 4: It's it's almost impossible to do. You have to have 758 00:34:56,199 --> 00:34:58,079 a clean light to get any kind of spin at all. 759 00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:01,320 Speaker 2: So and so many people just try to get it 760 00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:05,159 up in the air and let it kind of float down. 761 00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:08,639 But really, are you advocating that you want to keep 762 00:35:08,639 --> 00:35:10,519 the ball as low as possible, let it roll as 763 00:35:10,599 --> 00:35:11,400 long as you can. 764 00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:15,320 Speaker 6: Absolutely, you know, if you were standing on the edge 765 00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:17,360 of the green and it wasn't a it was a 766 00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:21,079 game of toss the ball and get it to roll 767 00:35:21,119 --> 00:35:23,159 as close to that hole as you can or as 768 00:35:23,199 --> 00:35:25,679 close to that target out there, okay, and you. 769 00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:27,280 Speaker 4: Had to throw it with your hand. 770 00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:31,320 Speaker 5: I'll guarantee you that ninety five percent of the people 771 00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:33,679 are going to toss it low, and they're going to 772 00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:35,559 get down low and they're going to roll it along 773 00:35:35,639 --> 00:35:36,840 the ground and they're not going to throw it as 774 00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:37,880 high as they can up in the air. 775 00:35:38,679 --> 00:35:43,119 Speaker 2: That's a great way to envision it. Yeah, that's awesome. 776 00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:46,039 What would you do if you were just throwing the ball? 777 00:35:46,079 --> 00:35:46,760 Would you throw it? 778 00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:49,400 Speaker 5: And I'll do this with a lot of beginners or 779 00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:51,960 a lot of intermediate golfers that really are having trouble 780 00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:53,519 with their short game, I'd say I'll hand them a 781 00:35:53,519 --> 00:35:54,920 ball in their hand. I said, just toss it to 782 00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:57,400 that hole, and they'll toss it out hip higher or 783 00:35:57,519 --> 00:36:00,639 less and it'll roll out to the hole. Very seldom 784 00:36:00,599 --> 00:36:02,079 will they stand there and they'll throw it, you know, 785 00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:04,079 twenty yards up in the air, thirty feet or whatever 786 00:36:04,119 --> 00:36:05,920 you want to call it. You know, nobody's going to 787 00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:08,119 do that because they're looking at that hole and they're 788 00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:09,880 just going to roll it out there. So if you 789 00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:12,519 can get that concept and so the next time i'd 790 00:36:12,559 --> 00:36:14,840 say to anybody that you're really struggling with, you know 791 00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:16,760 what kind of a shot do I want to hit? 792 00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:19,199 Speaker 4: Here? Is put a ball in your hand and toss 793 00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:19,599 it out there. 794 00:36:19,599 --> 00:36:21,159 Speaker 5: And now you can't really do this when you're playing 795 00:36:21,199 --> 00:36:23,719 within a game, you know, but sometime maybe you're playing 796 00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:25,719 nine holes by yourself, get out there and toss the 797 00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:27,440 ball around the green, or go to the practice green, 798 00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:29,960 if you're around the chipping green, you know, toss some 799 00:36:30,039 --> 00:36:32,400 balls and see what the ball does when it's when 800 00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:34,239 you're rolling it, and all of a sudden you're going 801 00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:37,719 to start to get a really good fee fell and 802 00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:39,760 a really good dea on the type of shot. 803 00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:40,440 Speaker 4: And you want to hit. 804 00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:42,840 Speaker 2: Information. 805 00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:46,440 Speaker 5: Well, you got all those clubs in your bag, use them, yeah, 806 00:36:46,519 --> 00:36:48,039 because they all can create different things. 807 00:36:48,079 --> 00:36:50,000 Speaker 4: I mean, people get stuck chipping with one. 808 00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:52,440 Speaker 2: Club, right, what's your favorite club to chip with? 809 00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:58,639 Speaker 4: Uh? Probably a pitching wedge degree, probably. 810 00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:04,000 Speaker 5: Fifty fifty two, you know, the fifty eighth versatile if 811 00:37:04,039 --> 00:37:06,639 you're in longer grasp, you know, fifty eight to you 812 00:37:06,679 --> 00:37:10,039 know the fifty eight to sixty, you know, but you 813 00:37:10,079 --> 00:37:12,239 can take your if you've got a fifty six, you 814 00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:13,800 can open it up a little bit, just lay the 815 00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:15,480 club back and all of a sudden it's a fifty eight. 816 00:37:16,039 --> 00:37:18,800 So you know, you can you know, you have again 817 00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:20,800 good feel of what you're trying to do. 818 00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:23,679 Speaker 4: You're looking at that lie, You're looking at. 819 00:37:23,559 --> 00:37:25,639 Speaker 5: How much ground I have to carry to get that 820 00:37:25,679 --> 00:37:29,119 ball rolling, And that's that's the swing I want to make. 821 00:37:29,559 --> 00:37:33,159 Speaker 2: Awesome. Hey, Tom, you are a wealth of really fun 822 00:37:33,199 --> 00:37:37,880 information and really valuable information. I really appreciate your time. 823 00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:38,880 This has been a blast. 824 00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:40,679 Speaker 4: I've had a great time. 825 00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:43,800 Speaker 5: I just love I know how hard the game is 826 00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:46,199 for the average player. And I think, just in closing 827 00:37:47,159 --> 00:37:50,320 so much of the knowledge that or the information I 828 00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:52,840 should say, that's put out there in the magazines and stuff. 829 00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:55,440 As they always you know this is you know, they 830 00:37:56,000 --> 00:38:00,880 they tend to talk to the advanced player and not 831 00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:04,000 the average guy that's going out on the weekends and playing. 832 00:38:04,079 --> 00:38:07,960 And my my goal in this game is to show people, 833 00:38:08,199 --> 00:38:10,719 you know, how much easier the game can be they 834 00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:13,440 can make it much easier and not trying to do 835 00:38:13,519 --> 00:38:16,519 the stuff that is impossible for them to do physically 836 00:38:16,599 --> 00:38:17,039 or mentally. 837 00:38:17,599 --> 00:38:20,800 Speaker 2: It's something that that, to me, was got me motivated 838 00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:23,039 to do this from the very beginning because I always 839 00:38:23,079 --> 00:38:25,840 felt in watching the Golf Channel as they were talking 840 00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:28,519 to single digit handicapped golfers and I didn't understand what 841 00:38:28,559 --> 00:38:30,880 they were talking about. So I just went out and said, Okay, 842 00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:33,239 I'm just going to be the weekend hack that I am, 843 00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:35,000 and I have a lot of questions, so I'm going 844 00:38:35,039 --> 00:38:35,760 to start asking. 845 00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:39,000 Speaker 5: And I think it's it's awesome. It's awesome, and you're 846 00:38:39,039 --> 00:38:41,559 absolutely right. It's you know, they're talking at a level 847 00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:45,719 you know of advanced players who understand certain. 848 00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:47,400 Speaker 4: Things, and and you. 849 00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:50,440 Speaker 5: Know, the the average, the average golfer, which is the 850 00:38:50,519 --> 00:38:51,440 majority of people. 851 00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:55,039 Speaker 4: You know, they need you need to simplify it. You 852 00:38:55,079 --> 00:38:58,079 need to make it make it simple, awesome. It's a 853 00:38:58,079 --> 00:38:59,480 hard enough it's a hard enough game. 854 00:39:00,119 --> 00:39:02,599 Speaker 5: I mean, and you put a four and a quarter 855 00:39:02,679 --> 00:39:04,760 inch hole, you know, and you got a one point 856 00:39:05,079 --> 00:39:08,239 six eight inch golf ball and it's five hundred yards 857 00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:09,559 away and you're supposed to get it in that hole. 858 00:39:09,599 --> 00:39:10,920 It's you know, and you look at it like that 859 00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:12,880 as kind of crazy. So let's make it as easy 860 00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:13,400 as we can. 861 00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:16,519 Speaker 2: It's so true. I mean here, I've done, you know, 862 00:39:16,639 --> 00:39:19,559 ten years worth of this stuff. I'm still talking about it, 863 00:39:19,599 --> 00:39:22,159 and I'm still learning stuff that I'm I have aha 864 00:39:22,199 --> 00:39:24,559 moments on a regular basis with these conversations. 865 00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:27,360 Speaker 5: Well, and I do too. Standing on the lesson tee 866 00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:30,199 and listening, I see stuff, and I hear stuff, and 867 00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:34,239 I see things that I I you know, you continually 868 00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:38,280 learn and see things, and that just kind of, you know, 869 00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:41,800 makes me more more motivated to make it as simple 870 00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:43,719 and as fun as I can for everybody. 871 00:39:44,039 --> 00:39:45,800 Speaker 2: And that's why we love the game. 872 00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:50,480 Speaker 4: Absolutely. They named it wrong. It should let's go play fun. 873 00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:56,719 Speaker 2: But that was taken fun was yeah, yeah, let's go 874 00:39:56,719 --> 00:39:59,760 a little with relaxation. Right, Well let's just go play good. 875 00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:01,039 Speaker 4: Yeah, there we go? 876 00:40:01,679 --> 00:40:02,679 Speaker 2: All right? Tom Good? 877 00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:03,159 Speaker 4: Perfect? 878 00:40:04,639 --> 00:40:04,960 Speaker 1: All right? 879 00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:08,880 Speaker 2: And that's Tom Good at the Good Goolf Connection dot com. 880 00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:11,880 Is your email address. If anybody wants to reach out 881 00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:12,440 and talk to you. 882 00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:16,000 Speaker 5: Some more, absolutely, please send me an email and I'll 883 00:40:16,039 --> 00:40:17,880 be glad to shoot one back. 884 00:40:18,079 --> 00:40:21,519 Speaker 2: Well, Tom, we are not We're not that far from 885 00:40:21,519 --> 00:40:23,320 each other in proximity. So I hope I get a 886 00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:26,320 chance to come down and visit with you and play 887 00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:28,840 down there and we'll get more chance to talk. But 888 00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:31,360 I hope that I can invite you back on the show. 889 00:40:32,199 --> 00:40:34,400 Speaker 5: I'd love to you anytime, and you've got a free 890 00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:36,039 wind coming, just come down and see me and we 891 00:40:36,079 --> 00:40:38,800 can talk about more about my stupid philosophy about how 892 00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:39,599 swinging you clubhead. 893 00:40:39,599 --> 00:40:41,239 Speaker 4: I'll show you how you do that.