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<v Speaker 1>It's no surprise that I like a good mystery case.

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<v Speaker 1>So today I have one that's been sitting on my

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<v Speaker 1>list for a while, and since spooky season is slowly

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<v Speaker 1>creeping up on us, it just seemed like the perfect

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<v Speaker 1>time to share it. Well, are talking about a case

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<v Speaker 1>that takes us back into the nineteen sixties where two

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<v Speaker 1>men were found dead under very strange circumstances with two

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<v Speaker 1>lead masks laying next to them. The investigation that unfolded

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<v Speaker 1>would take authorities down all kinds of rabbit holes that

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<v Speaker 1>would include UFO sightings with government investigations. This is the case,

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<v Speaker 1>the infamous case known as the lead Mask Case. My

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<v Speaker 1>name's Ben, I'm.

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<v Speaker 2>Nicole, and you're listening to Wicked and Grim.

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<v Speaker 1>A true crime podcast material audience listener. I changed it up.

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<v Speaker 1>I opened my beer in the intro.

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<v Speaker 2>I liked it.

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<v Speaker 1>You liked it. I haven't even sipped it yet.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm drinking a good old ice coffee.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you are a vanilla one.

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<v Speaker 2>Rare time that I drink coffee, staying good.

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<v Speaker 1>Drink those Starbucks ice ones all the time, though I do.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think they're not very strong coffee flavored, but it's.

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<v Speaker 3>A frappuccino technically is it? It's a coffee, you know

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<v Speaker 3>those ones that you can get a convenience stores in

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<v Speaker 3>the glass bottle. That's what she's down on.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, she likes it. It's real good. And we're about

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<v Speaker 2>to leave on a jet plane here, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>We are. I was really wanting to sing that song

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<v Speaker 1>right away as as as you said that, but I'm

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<v Speaker 1>holding myself back to save your ears. But yeah, we

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<v Speaker 1>are leaving on a jet plane. We're heading over to

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<v Speaker 1>the East coast. We're going over a little bit of

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<v Speaker 1>a work trip slash vacation, and we're gonna be hitting

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<v Speaker 1>up Disney World and Universal Studios.

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<v Speaker 2>While we're there. Yeah, it's gonna be good.

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<v Speaker 1>It is. It's gonna be good. Go see Mickey and

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<v Speaker 1>many and all the.

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<v Speaker 2>Podcast funny that we have been. Well, it's gonna be

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<v Speaker 2>our second time being at disney World, but yet we

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<v Speaker 2>haven't gone to Disneyland, which is you know.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and especially considering we're on the West coast. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I wouldn't say it's so close.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I think you could. Probably it's way closer.

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<v Speaker 1>It's way closer, yeah, but I wouldn't say it's close closer.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, we were supposed to go there one year,

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<v Speaker 2>but COVID yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Like literally, Okay, you guys remember when the first like

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<v Speaker 1>COVID shutdown happened. Yeah, we were supposed to be in

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<v Speaker 1>Disneyland that first week of COVID shutdown.

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<v Speaker 2>Well yeah, because we were celebrating our tenth wedding anniversary. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and then we renovated our basement instead.

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<v Speaker 1>Yep. It was so sad, yep, but it was a

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<v Speaker 1>good time though I'm still sitting at home. It wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>as great as Disneyland, but I'm sure we all still

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<v Speaker 1>have some fun memories from Well. Yeah, COVID times.

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<v Speaker 2>Got shit done somehow, we didd true.

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<v Speaker 1>But we also got to thank patrons because, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>without the show, you guys listening and people signing up

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<v Speaker 1>and supporting us over in Patreon, we probably wouldn't still

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<v Speaker 1>be doing this. So shout out to Rachel Fabri and

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<v Speaker 1>Freya Thompson.

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<v Speaker 2>Nice.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they signed up on Patreon this week and they

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<v Speaker 1>get all that exclusive behind the scenes and extra content.

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<v Speaker 2>That's awesome.

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<v Speaker 1>It is awesome. They're awesome, and you guys are awesome

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<v Speaker 1>too for being here. So thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so what do you got for.

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<v Speaker 1>Us well, the interlube intro Interlube interlude interlude intro. I

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<v Speaker 1>gave you a little bit of a hint, will not

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<v Speaker 1>hint information on it. It's called the Lead Mass Case.

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<v Speaker 1>Have you heard this one?

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<v Speaker 2>No?

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<v Speaker 1>No?

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<v Speaker 2>Really, well I don't think so. No.

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<v Speaker 1>It's been on my list for a long time. It

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<v Speaker 1>is a potentially a true crime case. There is death,

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<v Speaker 1>and there is some some spookiness to it, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>So sounds like it's right up your alley it is.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think, you know this time of year, we're

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<v Speaker 1>not even in October yet, but I think a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of people are feeling that spooky season early this.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, it already feels like it's basically October to me, right,

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<v Speaker 2>So I wanted to kind of throw this one in

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<v Speaker 2>there because it just seemed good.

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<v Speaker 1>I was gonna save up potentially for Halloween week, but

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<v Speaker 1>you know what, let's do it early, Let's do it.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's do it, Okay, So you ready for this?

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<v Speaker 2>Mm hmm?

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<v Speaker 1>All right. So on August twentieth, nineteen sixty six, eighteen

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<v Speaker 1>year old George da Costa Alvez was out on Vitamin

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<v Speaker 1>Hill flying his kite. What a strange smell caught his attention.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, it was a warm and sunny day in

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<v Speaker 1>southeast Brazil at the time, following a series of rainstorms,

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<v Speaker 1>and George expected, you know, to breathe in the fresh

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<v Speaker 1>scent of wet grass, or maybe even the salty breeze

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<v Speaker 1>coming off the ocean and the beach nearby, right, But instead,

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<v Speaker 1>what he encountered was something a little more unpleasant. It

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<v Speaker 1>was foul, and it was an unmistakable odor, one that

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<v Speaker 1>we all know as decay rotting. Well, George was curious,

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<v Speaker 1>and he began to search for the source. Not far

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<v Speaker 1>from where he stood. That's when he saw two pairs

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<v Speaker 1>of legs protruding from the grass. At first glance, it

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<v Speaker 1>seemed almost like there was two men laying there and

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<v Speaker 1>simply just you know, out for a nap, laying in

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<v Speaker 1>the sun or whatever. Right, But the swarm of insects

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<v Speaker 1>and the stench made it very clear that something was

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<v Speaker 1>something else was happening here. They weren't out just for

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<v Speaker 1>you know, just an afternoon nap in the grass. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>these guys, the smell was rot These guys were dead clearly.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I'm honestly kind of impressed that they went

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<v Speaker 2>looking for the smell, because I am almost certain that

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<v Speaker 2>I wouldn't.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, just peace out, Yeah, I can't blame you on

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<v Speaker 1>that one.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think I wouldn't think it's a human or anything,

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<v Speaker 2>but I maybe an animal or something, and I just

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<v Speaker 2>don't think I would like try to go find it.

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<v Speaker 1>Fair enough, Well, George did go find it, and after

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<v Speaker 1>he found it, he quickly alerted the authorities and police

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<v Speaker 1>arrived on the scene very quickly. It was immediately clear

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<v Speaker 1>that this was no ordinary case because lying in the

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<v Speaker 1>tall grass where of course, these two men, their two

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<v Speaker 1>bodies their remains, but a little bit more so, these

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<v Speaker 1>two were seemingly in about their thirties. They were dressed

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<v Speaker 1>in informal black suits and wore raincoats. Nearby investigators found

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<v Speaker 1>things that the game began to get a little bit strange.

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<v Speaker 1>There were two lead masks. Now these weren't full lead

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<v Speaker 1>masks it would cover an entire face, but instead resembled

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<v Speaker 1>like oversized sunglasses made entirely out of lead. Adding to

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<v Speaker 1>the mystery, there was a peculiar note that was found

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<v Speaker 1>near the bodies, and it read four thirty pm. Be

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<v Speaker 1>at the determined place six thirty pm. Swallow capsules after

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<v Speaker 1>effect protect metals weight for mask signal.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh, I don't get this lead mask thing though.

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<v Speaker 2>That doesn't make sense, Like I'm having trouble visualizing what

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<v Speaker 2>it is.

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<v Speaker 1>Think like a big old pair of sunglasses. Okay, and

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<v Speaker 1>they're they're metal.

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<v Speaker 2>No lens, so nothing that you can you can't see

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<v Speaker 2>through it, then, I.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't think so, as far as I'm aware, maybe there

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<v Speaker 1>was a pinhole or something. I don't think so. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I have never actually tried to look up a photo

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<v Speaker 1>of it, if I'm being honest, But as far as

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<v Speaker 1>my understanding is, they're just solid lead.

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<v Speaker 2>Interesting, yes, well.

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<v Speaker 1>Investigators continue to comb through the area. They discovered a

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<v Speaker 1>few more items, a bottle of mineral water, two towels,

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<v Speaker 1>and a sum of money, which, when convert to today's value,

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<v Speaker 1>would be about a couple thousand dollars. The men showed

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<v Speaker 1>no sign of visible injury, but due to the advanced

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<v Speaker 1>stage of decomposition, it was difficult to determine much about

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<v Speaker 1>their final moments. Their bodies lay on a patch of vegetation,

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<v Speaker 1>and it appeared to have been deliberately cut, like with

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<v Speaker 1>a knife for a pair of scissors or something like that.

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<v Speaker 1>But there was nothing found in the area to explain that.

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<v Speaker 1>The police were stumped. They weren't able to cause to

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<v Speaker 1>figure out the cause of death, at least not right away.

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<v Speaker 2>This sounds like some cult shit to me, you.

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<v Speaker 1>Think so kind of it could be. Well, what they

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<v Speaker 1>were able to identify was the men's The two men's names,

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<v Speaker 1>One was Manuel Pierra de Cruz and the other was

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<v Speaker 1>Miguel Jose Vianna. Both were electronic technicians and in their

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<v Speaker 1>early thirties. They both had young families and lived in

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<v Speaker 1>a town called Campos, and it was about one hundred

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<v Speaker 1>and seventy five miles away from the location where the

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<v Speaker 1>bodies were found. So what exactly were these two doing

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<v Speaker 1>on Vitamin Hill dressed informal suits with lead masks and

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<v Speaker 1>a bizarre note?

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<v Speaker 2>Well and very young, yeah, exactly so young?

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<v Speaker 1>But mostly what killed them. The more authorities investigated, the

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<v Speaker 1>more questions seemed to arise, and each piece of the

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<v Speaker 1>puzzle only deepened the mystery. Police interviewed George, the boy

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<v Speaker 1>who first discovered the men, and George revealed that he

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<v Speaker 1>had actually seen the men on the hill a few

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<v Speaker 1>days prior, on August seventeenth, sitting in the same spot

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<v Speaker 1>where they were later found dead. The following day, after

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<v Speaker 1>George first saw them, he returned to the area and

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<v Speaker 1>saw the men again, now laying down. However, at this

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<v Speaker 1>time he wasn't alarmed. It was it was just some

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<v Speaker 1>guys laying the grass. They were there the day before.

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<v Speaker 1>Why can't they be you there today? After all, he.

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<v Speaker 2>Is a favorite spot or something right, right.

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<v Speaker 1>It wasn't until a couple days later when the pungent

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<v Speaker 1>smell of decay became the overwhelming, you know clue in

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<v Speaker 1>his mind that you know, something else is going went

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<v Speaker 1>on here and the alerted authorities. So after speaking with George,

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<v Speaker 1>investigators began to piece together the days leading up to

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<v Speaker 1>the death of Manuel and Miguel by interviewing those closest

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<v Speaker 1>to them, and they managed to put together a bit

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<v Speaker 1>of a timeline. So in the morning of August seventeenth,

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<v Speaker 1>both men informed their families that they were heading to

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<v Speaker 1>Sal Paulo to purchase some electronics and use car into

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<v Speaker 1>a used car. Given that they worked as electronic repairman,

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<v Speaker 1>it checked out right. Maybe it was parts or extra

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<v Speaker 1>activities or who knows, but it checks out. What did Simon, however,

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<v Speaker 1>was that they were going such a long distance several

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<v Speaker 1>hours in fact, to buy a car. Another strange detail

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<v Speaker 1>was a significant amount of money they took with them

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<v Speaker 1>and estimated three million kuerzos, which in today's currency would

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<v Speaker 1>roughly estimate to translate at about thirty thousand US dollars.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh shit, which is way more than they needed for

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<v Speaker 2>this car.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm assuming definitely more than they would need for a

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<v Speaker 1>a used car. I can understand people traveling distances for

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<v Speaker 1>used vehicles.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, that doesn't seem odd to me at all.

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<v Speaker 1>Usually though it's a collector. I can understand maybe traveling

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<v Speaker 1>an hour, maybe two. But these guys are going several

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<v Speaker 1>hours just for a used car.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, because I've met people who bought used

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<v Speaker 1>But that is also in today's world, where you can

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<v Speaker 1>this is the sixties, right. They don't have a car

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<v Speaker 1>that they're going specifically for. If they're going to go

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, that makes sense then, well, it doesn't make sense

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I gotcha.

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<v Speaker 1>So, despite their claims of heading to South Paulo, Manuel

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<v Speaker 1>So the decision left investigators puzzled the sudden change in destination.

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<v Speaker 1>What's going on? So upon arriving in Indio, Manuel Miguel

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<v Speaker 1>or the car that they mentioned to their families. Instead,

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<v Speaker 1>with rain being in the forecast, they bought matching raincoats

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<v Speaker 1>for around nine four hundred creezos, and after that, the

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<v Speaker 1>a small refund with the receipt, just like recycling returns today.

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<v Speaker 1>Interestingly enough, the men kept the receipt for the water,

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<v Speaker 1>a detail that could actually be significant in this case

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<v Speaker 1>because if they had planned to end their lives, holding

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<v Speaker 1>onto the receipt might suggest otherwise. It might say that

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, why would they keep that?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>I also just have to say, I love that they

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<v Speaker 2>bought matching raincoats. Can we find matching raincoats when we're

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<v Speaker 2>are we?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, you're gonna see us in Disney World

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<v Speaker 1>and like a few and we're just gonna be walking

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<v Speaker 2>I would love that, of course you would.

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<v Speaker 1>Well. Witnesses at a bar where they purchased the water

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<v Speaker 1>bottle noted that the men seemed a little bit nervous

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<v Speaker 1>and Miguel kept glancing at his watch. At around three

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<v Speaker 1>fifteen pm, they hitched a ride in a jeep at

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<v Speaker 1>the base of Vitamin Hill. From there they made their

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<v Speaker 1>So from the bar to the base of Edmond Hill,

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<v Speaker 1>and from there they made their way up the hill

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<v Speaker 1>on foot to what would be their final resting place,

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<v Speaker 1>at least before they were buried. So when their bodies

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<v Speaker 1>were eventually discovered, only one hundred and sixty one thousand

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<v Speaker 1>crew row I'm probably butchering how you say this, cruise zeros,

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<v Speaker 1>which is their currency, remained on them. And given that

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<v Speaker 1>the raincoats cost nine four hundred and the bottle of

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<v Speaker 1>water certainly didn't cost two point eight million. The pressing

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<v Speaker 1>question arose when happened to the rest of their money,

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<v Speaker 1>and sorry.

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<v Speaker 2>How should you just say that they had left.

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<v Speaker 1>One hundred and sixty one and they started with three million? Wow,

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<v Speaker 1>so where's the rest of them?

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<v Speaker 2>No shit.

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<v Speaker 1>Adding to the frustration, the corner's responsible for the corners,

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<v Speaker 1>or i should say singular responsible for the examination of

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<v Speaker 1>the bodies, actually told the police he was too busy

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<v Speaker 1>to conduct a proper autopsy on them. So he could

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<v Speaker 1>do the autopsy, but he wasn't able to do a

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<v Speaker 1>toxicology report.

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<v Speaker 2>Which, curiously, Yeah, that is like a job that I

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<v Speaker 2>just don't think that you can say I'm too busy.

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<v Speaker 1>I know, especially considering this it would be a murder.

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<v Speaker 1>And there's a note specifically talking about taking pills brutal.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I just like, that's kind of shit I don't

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<v Speaker 2>think would fly today.

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<v Speaker 1>I know.

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<v Speaker 2>No, like you got to do this, but maybe they

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<v Speaker 2>were massively shorthanded, like you did never know, but still

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<v Speaker 2>like you have to do.

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<v Speaker 1>It, yeah, exactly. So Unfortunately it didn't get done, and

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<v Speaker 1>without the testing, there was no way of knowing what substance,

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<v Speaker 1>if any that they actually ingested from these capsules or

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<v Speaker 1>pills that they mentioned.

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<v Speaker 2>That's brutal.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Now, speaking of the note that actually mentioned these

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<v Speaker 1>these capsules or pills, I think it said capsules, but

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<v Speaker 1>I keep saying pills. So capsules I do actually have

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<v Speaker 1>more than I didn't mention earlier. That was written on

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<v Speaker 1>the note, so it also read quote Sunday, one capsule

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<v Speaker 1>after lunch, Wednesday one capsule at bedtime. Another puzzling detail

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<v Speaker 1>was a mathematical formula also scralled on the note. It's

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<v Speaker 1>Ohm's law and it says it's V equals I are,

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<v Speaker 1>which is a basic principle used to calculate electrical currency.

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<v Speaker 1>And given their profession, I mean, that does kind of

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<v Speaker 1>check out. So it does actually potentially tie the note

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<v Speaker 1>to the men being them, the ones who wrote it,

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<v Speaker 1>and not someone else.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, something I just thought, is there any way that

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<v Speaker 2>say capsule could mean something other than like a pill

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<v Speaker 2>or some of sorts that you're consuming.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, potentially, but what else? I have no idea?

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<v Speaker 2>Hmmm, Well, because also too, it doesn't make sense the

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<v Speaker 2>length of time in between taking them, right, Yes, if

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if these are a pill or something

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<v Speaker 2>that like kills you. I don't know. I just think

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<v Speaker 2>that would make no sense to have that gap in

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<v Speaker 2>between you know.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm not too sure why hmm oka. And it's

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<v Speaker 1>obviously not something standard like penicillin or anything, because that

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<v Speaker 1>gap obviously is not a schedule that you'd fall for

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<v Speaker 1>or sorry follow for something like that. So who knows

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<v Speaker 1>what these capsules if they are a pill, which they

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<v Speaker 1>most likely are, what they would hold mm. So Now,

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<v Speaker 1>as a police examined the scene and the sparse evidence

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<v Speaker 1>that they had on hand, they began exploring theories. One

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<v Speaker 1>possible explanation was a robbery that had gone wrong, though

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<v Speaker 1>this seemed unlikely given the significant amount of mine that

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<v Speaker 1>was still found on their bodies. Most likely someone would

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<v Speaker 1>have taken all of it if they were taking something, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>for sure. Even more problematic was the coroner's rushed autopsy,

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<v Speaker 1>which did state that there were signs of foul play

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<v Speaker 1>or that the men had been killed. I'm sorry, not

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<v Speaker 1>that the men had been killed violently, on, leaving the

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<v Speaker 1>police to focus on other possibilities. So the potential foul play,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's not a violent death, so were they poisoned

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<v Speaker 1>or we don't know, thanks for doing the toxicology report.

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<v Speaker 2>And the fact that that isn't available is just like,

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<v Speaker 2>how the hell are you supposed to.

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<v Speaker 1>Solve this exactly? So the prevailing theory became that this

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<v Speaker 1>was potentially a double suicide, but again without the toxicology report,

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<v Speaker 1>the idea of this was just a question mark. How

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<v Speaker 1>could they prove it? Did they take something on purpose

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<v Speaker 1>to kill them? So we don't know. A year later, though,

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<v Speaker 1>the bodies were exhumed for further testing, and this time

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<v Speaker 1>a toxicologuesy a toxicology there we go examination confirmed that

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<v Speaker 1>the men had not ingested common poisons like arsenic, mercury,

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<v Speaker 1>barium or whatever. So there was not they were not poisoned.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, what just like a waste? So hey, I just

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<v Speaker 2>feel like they if they just had done that a

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<v Speaker 2>year prior, right then they wouldn't have had to you know,

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<v Speaker 2>like you know, unburied Barry eg zoom zoom, Yeah, then

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<v Speaker 2>have to lay them rest again, Like that just sucks,

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<v Speaker 2>I think.

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<v Speaker 1>So they were wondering if this was a suicide. Again

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<v Speaker 1>back to that water bottle receipt, why keep it? Was

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<v Speaker 1>it simply out of habit, you know, Did they just

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<v Speaker 1>put in their pockets they usually do, or was it

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<v Speaker 1>a sign that the men didn't expect to die that day?

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<v Speaker 1>Investigators were left scratching their heads. If not a suicide,

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<v Speaker 1>what other explanation was there. One possibility floated by the

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<v Speaker 1>police was that the men might have been struck by lightning,

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<v Speaker 1>but this theory, like many others, failed to account for

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<v Speaker 1>any of the peculiar details surrounding the case. Police in

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<v Speaker 1>there scrambled to piece together any kind of logical explanation

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<v Speaker 1>for the death of Manuel and Miguel were grasping at

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<v Speaker 1>every possible lead. It had been raining heavily that day,

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<v Speaker 1>the day that they had passed right, not that they

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<v Speaker 1>were found yet, and some locals had actually reported seeing

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<v Speaker 1>bright flashes in the sky on the night of August seventeenth,

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<v Speaker 1>which is how the idea of lightning actually came into

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<v Speaker 1>play in the first place. But the bodies surrounding the

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<v Speaker 1>area didn't. Sorry, The bodies and the surrounding area didn't

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<v Speaker 1>show any signs that supported a lightning strike. The physical

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<v Speaker 1>evidence just simply didn't add up. However, those strange lights

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<v Speaker 1>witnessed by locals took on new significance when a prominent

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<v Speaker 1>member of the community, a woman named Garcinda Barbosa, came forward.

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<v Speaker 2>So.

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<v Speaker 1>Garcinda was a well respected woman in Nierio, and while

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<v Speaker 1>she was driving home with their children on the evening

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<v Speaker 1>of August seventeenth, they all saw something very bizarre in

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<v Speaker 1>the sky. She described it as quote an oval shape

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<v Speaker 1>object glowing orange, with a ring of fire encircling it

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<v Speaker 1>and strange blue rays shooting outward in different directions.

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<v Speaker 2>Hmmm, oh is shit. I freaking hate cases like this

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<v Speaker 2>because now my brain is just like going a mile minute.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just like scrambled eggs.

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<v Speaker 2>In there now it is. And I'm like, I want

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<v Speaker 2>to solve it, but I'm just one person. I'm probably

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<v Speaker 2>not going to be able to solve this shit.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I mean a lot of people have been working

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<v Speaker 1>on this case since the sixties.

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<v Speaker 2>Well yeah, so I asked one question. I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>if you'll know, but like these lead glasses or face

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<v Speaker 2>masks or whatever, Yeah, is that like a prominent thing

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<v Speaker 2>back then? Or it was like kind of weird and

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<v Speaker 2>random to find this.

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<v Speaker 1>It was weird and random to find it.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, okay, interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>So soon after the locals local press caught wind of

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<v Speaker 1>this story of this thing saw the sky and published

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<v Speaker 1>an article about it. Other residents began contacting the police

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<v Speaker 1>with similar reports. They kind of read it in the

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<v Speaker 1>paper and were like, oh, I actually I saw that too.

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<v Speaker 1>Multiple people corroborated this account, claiming they too saw it,

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<v Speaker 1>this thing in the sky, just as it was described

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<v Speaker 1>in this article, And when they were asked why they

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<v Speaker 1>didn't come forward sooner, most of them just explained that

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<v Speaker 1>they were too afraid of being labeled it's crazy.

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<v Speaker 2>Well yeah, because I mean, yeah, who would last? People

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<v Speaker 2>would not believe you. So I'm not sure I would

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<v Speaker 2>you saw something weird in the sky, would you like

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<v Speaker 2>call right away?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. It's hard to say.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>But for these people though, with Griscinda's reputation being a

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<v Speaker 1>very prominent individual and society around here and her and

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<v Speaker 1>her credibility coming forward, they're like, well she can come forward,

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<v Speaker 1>I can too.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, So it makes sense.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they felt a little bit more comfortable.

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<v Speaker 2>Well yeah, in numbers too, it's easier right exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, whether or not these sightings were reliable or they just,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, like we're part of this frenzy of whatever

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<v Speaker 1>that happened once was published in the paper. I don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's entirely unsure, but police did continue to dig deeper

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<v Speaker 1>into the lives of Manuel and Miguel, hoping to uncover

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00:22:09.200 --> 00:22:12.279
<v Speaker 1>something that was a little less out of this world.

428
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<v Speaker 1>I like that.

429
00:22:15.200 --> 00:22:16.240
<v Speaker 2>That was good too.

430
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<v Speaker 1>So inside the men's workshop, officers found scraps of lead

431
00:22:20.920 --> 00:22:23.119
<v Speaker 1>that were consistent with the material used to create the

432
00:22:23.119 --> 00:22:26.480
<v Speaker 1>bizarre lead eyeglasses that the men were wearing, or sorry

433
00:22:26.519 --> 00:22:29.079
<v Speaker 1>that had been found next to them when they died.

434
00:22:29.559 --> 00:22:33.519
<v Speaker 1>The discovery strongly suggested that the two had constructed the

435
00:22:33.559 --> 00:22:37.640
<v Speaker 1>masks themselves deliberately and preparing them for some sort of

436
00:22:37.640 --> 00:22:42.720
<v Speaker 1>specific purpose. Which what purpose that is were unsure. But

437
00:22:42.799 --> 00:22:45.559
<v Speaker 1>the most intriguing find came when police uncovered a collection

438
00:22:45.599 --> 00:22:50.680
<v Speaker 1>of books in the men's possession, particularly those on scientific spiritualism.

439
00:22:51.160 --> 00:22:54.519
<v Speaker 1>Several passages in these books had been highlighted, and they

440
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<v Speaker 1>were about contact with extraterrestrials. The text claims that when

441
00:22:59.519 --> 00:23:02.079
<v Speaker 1>humans come into contact with aliens, the light they admit

442
00:23:02.200 --> 00:23:04.799
<v Speaker 1>is so intense that it will blind you unless you

443
00:23:04.839 --> 00:23:10.839
<v Speaker 1>wore specific protection, specifically sunglasses made of lead.

444
00:23:11.559 --> 00:23:17.039
<v Speaker 2>Holy shit, Hey, it's like they like called them or something, yeah,

445
00:23:17.119 --> 00:23:19.319
<v Speaker 2>or knew something that no one else did.

446
00:23:19.519 --> 00:23:22.359
<v Speaker 1>Exactly, which is very strange because if they're out there

447
00:23:22.359 --> 00:23:26.720
<v Speaker 1>for that purpose, that's one thing. But there's also reports

448
00:23:26.759 --> 00:23:29.319
<v Speaker 1>of seeing UFOs that fucking night.

449
00:23:30.440 --> 00:23:31.960
<v Speaker 2>But do you think that they could have just been

450
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<v Speaker 2>doing something with the light.

451
00:23:34.279 --> 00:23:36.119
<v Speaker 1>Maybe that is very potential.

452
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<v Speaker 2>Huh, Because I see, I'm kind of one of I'm

453
00:23:39.160 --> 00:23:42.400
<v Speaker 2>a skeptic, Like I actually don't super Oh gosh about

454
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<v Speaker 2>saying this, I'm like, I shouldn't say this out loud,

455
00:23:44.359 --> 00:23:45.960
<v Speaker 2>but I don't know if I do really believe in

456
00:23:46.000 --> 00:23:47.079
<v Speaker 2>aliens and stuff.

457
00:23:47.279 --> 00:23:51.279
<v Speaker 1>I doue like I, but I'm a skeptic just like you.

458
00:23:51.960 --> 00:23:54.599
<v Speaker 1>I want to disprove every account out there to find

459
00:23:54.640 --> 00:23:55.920
<v Speaker 1>the real ones. If that makes sense.

460
00:23:55.960 --> 00:23:58.839
<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, because I have heard people say before, like

461
00:23:58.960 --> 00:24:01.839
<v Speaker 2>it's what would be the word, but it's unrealistic for

462
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<v Speaker 2>us to think that we're like the only people or

463
00:24:04.680 --> 00:24:07.559
<v Speaker 2>like things that exist in this universe or whatever. Right.

464
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<v Speaker 1>Well, I don't know the exact calculations, so don't quote

465
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<v Speaker 1>me on this. I'm just gonna make one up just

466
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<v Speaker 1>to give an example. But there was an article or

467
00:24:16.519 --> 00:24:19.480
<v Speaker 1>something that was written out there on a scientist doing

468
00:24:19.519 --> 00:24:23.440
<v Speaker 1>the math on what it would be for another Goldilocks planet,

469
00:24:23.559 --> 00:24:25.640
<v Speaker 1>which is what Earth is to be in the perfect

470
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<v Speaker 1>zone from its son to support life. He did the

471
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<v Speaker 1>math on what it would take for another Goldilocks planet

472
00:24:30.759 --> 00:24:34.079
<v Speaker 1>to exist out there, and it was like something wild,

473
00:24:34.160 --> 00:24:37.960
<v Speaker 1>like one in like several billion or something. Right, Oh, okay,

474
00:24:38.240 --> 00:24:42.039
<v Speaker 1>but there are hundreds of millions of trillions and gazillions

475
00:24:42.039 --> 00:24:45.960
<v Speaker 1>of fucking stars out there, let alone planets. So that

476
00:24:46.079 --> 00:24:50.279
<v Speaker 1>basically the math just proved the existence of like, not

477
00:24:50.319 --> 00:24:56.119
<v Speaker 1>necessarily intelligent life, but a Goldilocks planet existing that would hold.

478
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<v Speaker 2>Life some sort of other life yeaheah.

479
00:24:59.519 --> 00:25:01.839
<v Speaker 1>So don't quote me on those exact numbers, but it

480
00:25:01.880 --> 00:25:04.960
<v Speaker 1>was something along those lines. But and then of course

481
00:25:05.000 --> 00:25:07.680
<v Speaker 1>you have to account for well, are the intelligent and

482
00:25:07.960 --> 00:25:11.359
<v Speaker 1>are they still alive today? Have they destroyed themselves? Are

483
00:25:11.359 --> 00:25:14.880
<v Speaker 1>they far left long enough in their evolution to travel?

484
00:25:15.000 --> 00:25:17.720
<v Speaker 1>And there's so many other questions into it.

485
00:25:17.759 --> 00:25:21.240
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, we're probably not about that for a while,

486
00:25:21.240 --> 00:25:21.759
<v Speaker 2>couldn't we.

487
00:25:21.839 --> 00:25:23.240
<v Speaker 1>Oh, if you get a couple of drinks in me,

488
00:25:23.319 --> 00:25:24.839
<v Speaker 1>I will talk about it all.

489
00:25:24.759 --> 00:25:26.319
<v Speaker 2>Night, oh goss.

490
00:25:27.920 --> 00:25:31.039
<v Speaker 1>But Manuel's wife confirmed that the two men were indeed

491
00:25:31.559 --> 00:25:35.759
<v Speaker 1>involved in scientific spiritualism, and they were deeply involved in

492
00:25:35.799 --> 00:25:39.319
<v Speaker 1>a community of like minded individuals that were scientific spiritualists.

493
00:25:39.839 --> 00:25:42.160
<v Speaker 1>In fact, she actually revealed that many of the electronics

494
00:25:42.160 --> 00:25:45.759
<v Speaker 1>repairmen the area shared this belief system, specifically in this

495
00:25:45.759 --> 00:25:50.000
<v Speaker 1>this this field of work, regularly engaging in secret meetings

496
00:25:50.039 --> 00:25:53.119
<v Speaker 1>and even seances. And what did you say earlier?

497
00:25:53.480 --> 00:25:55.279
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I like in my head, I'm like, yeah, this

498
00:25:55.319 --> 00:25:56.440
<v Speaker 2>is like a cult of sorts.

499
00:25:56.759 --> 00:25:58.160
<v Speaker 1>There there we go.

500
00:25:58.319 --> 00:25:59.359
<v Speaker 2>Okay, So this.

501
00:25:59.359 --> 00:26:03.799
<v Speaker 1>Secret society spiritualists wasn't an unusual hobby for the men

502
00:26:03.920 --> 00:26:07.640
<v Speaker 1>in this profession, especially in the nineteen sixties Brazil, where

503
00:26:07.640 --> 00:26:11.759
<v Speaker 1>the lines between science and spirituality were often blurred. So

504
00:26:11.839 --> 00:26:14.960
<v Speaker 1>Miguel's niece added to an even stranger sorry, added an

505
00:26:14.960 --> 00:26:17.440
<v Speaker 1>even stranger layer to this story. On the day of

506
00:26:17.440 --> 00:26:20.720
<v Speaker 1>Miguel leaving the house, she asked him where he was headed.

507
00:26:21.079 --> 00:26:23.599
<v Speaker 1>His reply was he was going to Saint Paulo to

508
00:26:23.599 --> 00:26:26.039
<v Speaker 1>buy a car. When she questioned, why you travel so

509
00:26:26.079 --> 00:26:28.519
<v Speaker 1>far to make a purchase that could easily be done

510
00:26:28.799 --> 00:26:31.400
<v Speaker 1>closer to home and probably for a far better price,

511
00:26:31.759 --> 00:26:35.960
<v Speaker 1>Miguel responded, quote, I need to know one thing. Then

512
00:26:36.000 --> 00:26:38.279
<v Speaker 1>when I get back, i'll tell you if I really

513
00:26:38.319 --> 00:26:40.599
<v Speaker 1>believe in this story of spiritualism or not.

514
00:26:41.279 --> 00:26:43.359
<v Speaker 2>Oh jeez, hey, I do want.

515
00:26:43.279 --> 00:26:47.079
<v Speaker 1>To highlight one thing he said, then said there, then

516
00:26:47.319 --> 00:26:51.359
<v Speaker 1>when I get back, When.

517
00:26:51.200 --> 00:26:53.599
<v Speaker 2>I get back, Yeah, he was planning to return.

518
00:26:53.839 --> 00:26:59.200
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so he was not planning to die. Okay, his

519
00:26:59.279 --> 00:27:02.680
<v Speaker 1>words hinted at something much deeper than a simple car purchase.

520
00:27:02.759 --> 00:27:05.440
<v Speaker 2>Obviously, right, that was just like a cover story.

521
00:27:05.559 --> 00:27:07.720
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Miguel seemed to be on the verge of some

522
00:27:07.839 --> 00:27:11.079
<v Speaker 1>kind of revelation or test regarding his beliefs and whether

523
00:27:11.200 --> 00:27:13.880
<v Speaker 1>this final journey was intended to confirm or debunk his

524
00:27:14.079 --> 00:27:17.279
<v Speaker 1>faith in spiritualism. It kind of remains unclear, but it

525
00:27:17.319 --> 00:27:20.480
<v Speaker 1>suggests that the men were actively involved in something significant

526
00:27:20.519 --> 00:27:24.279
<v Speaker 1>related to their spiritual practices, and at this point the

527
00:27:24.319 --> 00:27:28.640
<v Speaker 1>investigation began to circle around the question what exactly were

528
00:27:28.680 --> 00:27:32.119
<v Speaker 1>Manuel and Miguel getting involved in and what role did

529
00:27:32.160 --> 00:27:36.559
<v Speaker 1>their spiritualist activities play in their deaths. Now, it's important

530
00:27:36.559 --> 00:27:42.759
<v Speaker 1>to clarify spiritualism, and more specifically scientific spiritualism. In essence,

531
00:27:42.799 --> 00:27:45.880
<v Speaker 1>it's the belief of communication with the dead and believing

532
00:27:45.880 --> 00:27:48.920
<v Speaker 1>that it's possible that there's hidden channel between the living

533
00:27:49.000 --> 00:27:51.359
<v Speaker 1>and the afterlife, and that one can tune into this

534
00:27:51.440 --> 00:27:55.200
<v Speaker 1>channel and to speak with lost loved ones. But Manuel

535
00:27:55.279 --> 00:27:58.960
<v Speaker 1>and Miguel were not just ordinary spiritualists. They were part

536
00:27:58.960 --> 00:28:02.960
<v Speaker 1>of a movement known as saying tific spiritualism. This subset

537
00:28:03.119 --> 00:28:08.559
<v Speaker 1>basically seeks out or sought out to prove that observable

538
00:28:08.599 --> 00:28:12.720
<v Speaker 1>phenomena and experiments through these sort of things, that the

539
00:28:12.720 --> 00:28:16.759
<v Speaker 1>supernatural was real. So think of like ghost hunting today

540
00:28:17.119 --> 00:28:21.319
<v Speaker 1>and using technology, similar sort of thing. Through technology, we

541
00:28:21.440 --> 00:28:26.240
<v Speaker 1>can prove that this sort of spiritualistic idea and these

542
00:28:26.279 --> 00:28:30.319
<v Speaker 1>phenomena are real. That's kind of what they are, very

543
00:28:30.519 --> 00:28:32.839
<v Speaker 1>early stage ghost hunters.

544
00:28:32.599 --> 00:28:34.519
<v Speaker 2>Essentially, right, Okay, it makes sense.

545
00:28:34.599 --> 00:28:39.079
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so they basically believe using science to demonstrate the existence.

546
00:28:40.359 --> 00:28:45.400
<v Speaker 2>Now okay, sorry, they weren't really Okay, I'm just confused.

547
00:28:46.039 --> 00:28:48.359
<v Speaker 2>Were they kind of wanting to talk to the dead

548
00:28:48.519 --> 00:28:50.759
<v Speaker 2>or were they wanting to be seeing if there's like

549
00:28:50.839 --> 00:28:53.119
<v Speaker 2>alien and stuff like it's really unknown kind.

550
00:28:53.240 --> 00:28:56.279
<v Speaker 1>We'll get to that, okay, yeah, okay, So in nineteen

551
00:28:56.319 --> 00:29:01.000
<v Speaker 1>sixties Brazil, this fusion of science and sp spiritualism spiritual

552
00:29:01.240 --> 00:29:07.559
<v Speaker 1>reality really penetrated certain professions, particularly the electronic repairment profession.

553
00:29:08.400 --> 00:29:11.519
<v Speaker 2>Really, that's bizarre to me. This whole case.

554
00:29:11.839 --> 00:29:14.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I don't really know why it leaked into that

555
00:29:14.960 --> 00:29:20.000
<v Speaker 1>profession specifically, Maybe because I guess their ability to work

556
00:29:20.039 --> 00:29:23.960
<v Speaker 1>with electronics. They're trying to like tune the electronics to

557
00:29:24.039 --> 00:29:26.960
<v Speaker 1>this certain frequence. Maybe it's just their knowledge that they

558
00:29:27.319 --> 00:29:30.559
<v Speaker 1>held it was a certain skill set for it.

559
00:29:30.680 --> 00:29:33.799
<v Speaker 2>I'm like almost on vacation here, and you're making me

560
00:29:33.839 --> 00:29:34.960
<v Speaker 2>you have to think way too.

561
00:29:36.039 --> 00:29:41.599
<v Speaker 1>It is a bit of a convoluted case, but most

562
00:29:41.640 --> 00:29:43.559
<v Speaker 1>of this stuff you don't actually have to think too

563
00:29:43.599 --> 00:29:47.759
<v Speaker 1>hard on. Okay, So basically they were found dead, there's

564
00:29:47.759 --> 00:29:50.519
<v Speaker 1>some spiritualistic stuff going on that really comes from like

565
00:29:50.559 --> 00:29:55.680
<v Speaker 1>their hey electronics businesses or whatever, and there's a UFO

566
00:29:55.759 --> 00:29:59.599
<v Speaker 1>sighting that occurs the same night as their death, which

567
00:29:59.640 --> 00:30:03.480
<v Speaker 1>is very suspicious. Yeah, that's what they're seeking out. That's

568
00:30:03.519 --> 00:30:04.559
<v Speaker 1>basically all you really need.

569
00:30:04.480 --> 00:30:06.759
<v Speaker 2>To know, I know. But it's still like just you know,

570
00:30:06.839 --> 00:30:09.839
<v Speaker 2>the gears are turning because understandable wanting to figure this out.

571
00:30:09.920 --> 00:30:12.680
<v Speaker 1>Fair enough, Well, the police were also wanting to figure

572
00:30:12.680 --> 00:30:15.640
<v Speaker 1>it out, and the investigation was continuing, and they learned

573
00:30:15.680 --> 00:30:18.119
<v Speaker 1>of a figure who was actually tied to Manuel and Miguel,

574
00:30:18.240 --> 00:30:21.759
<v Speaker 1>which was an individual who was also an electronic repairman

575
00:30:22.000 --> 00:30:25.799
<v Speaker 1>by the name of Elco. Now, Elcio was believed to

576
00:30:25.799 --> 00:30:29.039
<v Speaker 1>be the last person to see Manuel and Miguel alive,

577
00:30:30.240 --> 00:30:34.279
<v Speaker 1>while also admitted to being a scientific spiritualist person. Like

578
00:30:34.359 --> 00:30:37.000
<v Speaker 1>others in the profession, the police couldn't actually find concrete

579
00:30:37.039 --> 00:30:39.680
<v Speaker 1>evidence directly linking him to the men's death. He just

580
00:30:40.119 --> 00:30:41.799
<v Speaker 1>happened to be the last one to see him alive.

581
00:30:41.839 --> 00:30:45.839
<v Speaker 1>Sort of thing, right, But nevertheless, Elsio provided a fascinating

582
00:30:45.880 --> 00:30:48.920
<v Speaker 1>bit of insight into Manuel and Miguel and their search

583
00:30:49.319 --> 00:30:53.480
<v Speaker 1>on Vitamin Hill. He revealed that their goal wasn't simply

584
00:30:53.559 --> 00:30:57.039
<v Speaker 1>to communicate with the dead. These men were seeking contact

585
00:30:57.079 --> 00:31:03.559
<v Speaker 1>with higher and more intelligent beings. So also knew how

586
00:31:03.559 --> 00:31:06.680
<v Speaker 1>outlandish this sounded, but he assured the police that their

587
00:31:06.720 --> 00:31:10.319
<v Speaker 1>work was real and that he could prove it so.

588
00:31:10.400 --> 00:31:13.400
<v Speaker 1>A few weeks before Manuel and Miguel's death, Alcio explained

589
00:31:13.400 --> 00:31:15.599
<v Speaker 1>that the men had conducted an experiment to see if

590
00:31:15.640 --> 00:31:21.680
<v Speaker 1>they could communicate with extraterrestrials, specifically beings from Mars. They

591
00:31:21.680 --> 00:31:25.599
<v Speaker 1>had even built a device for this purpose in Elsio's garden. Now,

592
00:31:25.680 --> 00:31:28.640
<v Speaker 1>according to him, the belief within the scientific community, or

593
00:31:28.680 --> 00:31:32.839
<v Speaker 1>whatever the spiritualist community it wasn't limited to contacting spirits

594
00:31:32.839 --> 00:31:37.039
<v Speaker 1>that deceased. They held the idea that all spirits, living

595
00:31:37.200 --> 00:31:42.839
<v Speaker 1>or dead, could be reached. So this whole spiritualistic idea. Yes,

596
00:31:42.880 --> 00:31:45.240
<v Speaker 1>you can contact the dead, but you can contact living

597
00:31:45.359 --> 00:31:49.720
<v Speaker 1>spirits too, also known as other spirits on other worlds

598
00:31:49.759 --> 00:31:55.039
<v Speaker 1>as well. Yeah, aliens, so including those of intelligent life,

599
00:31:55.359 --> 00:31:58.640
<v Speaker 1>all these other spirits, they were all up for graps.

600
00:31:59.119 --> 00:32:02.000
<v Speaker 1>This desice device sorry, that they built was supposed to

601
00:32:02.039 --> 00:32:07.240
<v Speaker 1>facilitate that communication. Though the exact mechanisms of this device

602
00:32:07.319 --> 00:32:10.640
<v Speaker 1>remained unknown, it was unclear that the men viewed this

603
00:32:10.720 --> 00:32:14.119
<v Speaker 1>as a serious piece of technology. Sorry, it was clear,

604
00:32:14.240 --> 00:32:17.119
<v Speaker 1>not unclear, It's very clear then the men viewed this

605
00:32:17.119 --> 00:32:20.279
<v Speaker 1>as a very serious piece of technology. However, when they

606
00:32:20.319 --> 00:32:23.599
<v Speaker 1>first activated the device, things didn't go as they planned.

607
00:32:24.359 --> 00:32:26.839
<v Speaker 1>They're hoping to fire this thing up and begin using

608
00:32:26.920 --> 00:32:29.000
<v Speaker 1>it almost as like a two way radio, and start

609
00:32:29.039 --> 00:32:32.920
<v Speaker 1>talking with these spirits, but the machine instead violently exploded,

610
00:32:33.039 --> 00:32:37.359
<v Speaker 1>cutting the experiment very short. And after the explosion settled,

611
00:32:37.519 --> 00:32:42.599
<v Speaker 1>something strange caught their attention. A mysterious powder that had

612
00:32:42.640 --> 00:32:47.079
<v Speaker 1>appeared around the garden scattered in the aftermath to Elcio

613
00:32:47.240 --> 00:32:50.440
<v Speaker 1>and the others This wasn't just debris from the explosion.

614
00:32:50.880 --> 00:32:54.839
<v Speaker 1>It was proof that their experiment had worked. They believed

615
00:32:54.839 --> 00:33:01.400
<v Speaker 1>the powder was evidence of spirit or extraterrestrial presence. With

616
00:33:01.440 --> 00:33:05.519
<v Speaker 1>that apparent success under their belts, Alsio, Manuel and Miguel

617
00:33:05.839 --> 00:33:08.599
<v Speaker 1>decided they wanted to try again, but this time on

618
00:33:08.640 --> 00:33:12.200
<v Speaker 1>a much grander scale. So in June they traveled to

619
00:33:12.960 --> 00:33:16.839
<v Speaker 1>Adipon Beach, where they hoped to where they hopped into

620
00:33:16.839 --> 00:33:19.279
<v Speaker 1>the secluded location and they hoped that it would allow

621
00:33:19.319 --> 00:33:24.200
<v Speaker 1>them to conduct their experiment with few interruptions. On that warm,

622
00:33:24.400 --> 00:33:27.000
<v Speaker 1>still night, three men set up their equipment and began

623
00:33:27.079 --> 00:33:29.599
<v Speaker 1>to work. As they were in the midst of the experiment,

624
00:33:29.720 --> 00:33:34.559
<v Speaker 1>they looked up to see something incredible, a large glowing

625
00:33:34.640 --> 00:33:40.240
<v Speaker 1>object descending from the sky above them. According to Alsio,

626
00:33:40.319 --> 00:33:44.599
<v Speaker 1>they watched this illuminated craft for about five minutes as

627
00:33:44.599 --> 00:33:48.440
<v Speaker 1>it came closer and closer to Earth. Then, just as

628
00:33:48.440 --> 00:33:51.599
<v Speaker 1>suddenly as it appeared, the object began to ascend back

629
00:33:51.680 --> 00:33:55.200
<v Speaker 1>up once again, disappearing into the clouds. As it did,

630
00:33:55.440 --> 00:33:58.799
<v Speaker 1>a bright flash and a deafening bang echoed across the

631
00:33:58.799 --> 00:34:01.759
<v Speaker 1>beach and across the sky, as if a bomb had

632
00:34:01.759 --> 00:34:06.200
<v Speaker 1>gone off in the sky, and once again, a powder

633
00:34:06.240 --> 00:34:10.840
<v Speaker 1>substance was left behind, scattered in its wake, just like before.

634
00:34:12.519 --> 00:34:15.239
<v Speaker 2>Holy shit, I just feel like they're just almost kind

635
00:34:15.239 --> 00:34:18.079
<v Speaker 2>of playing with fire here in a way.

636
00:34:18.280 --> 00:34:22.239
<v Speaker 1>Potentially whether this is a real situation they're actually calling

637
00:34:22.280 --> 00:34:25.519
<v Speaker 1>these spirits, let's just say yah for a second, they are. Yes,

638
00:34:25.639 --> 00:34:28.519
<v Speaker 1>you're playing with fire in that regard. If not, and

639
00:34:28.599 --> 00:34:31.119
<v Speaker 1>you're just blowing up some electronics equipment on a beach,

640
00:34:31.159 --> 00:34:32.480
<v Speaker 1>you're also playing with fire.

641
00:34:32.639 --> 00:34:36.119
<v Speaker 2>That's true. Like really, yeah, So now I'm either it's

642
00:34:36.159 --> 00:34:39.320
<v Speaker 2>still potentially a cult in my mind, but it also

643
00:34:39.400 --> 00:34:42.039
<v Speaker 2>could just be like an experiment gone wrong too.

644
00:34:42.320 --> 00:34:46.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it could be. Well, Elciel's tail was understandably met

645
00:34:46.000 --> 00:34:48.079
<v Speaker 1>with some skepticism, just like we are a little bit

646
00:34:48.079 --> 00:34:51.400
<v Speaker 1>skeptical right now. But these three men attempting to contact

647
00:34:51.400 --> 00:34:54.239
<v Speaker 1>aliens and actually succeeding to bring a UFO to Earth,

648
00:34:54.559 --> 00:34:57.119
<v Speaker 1>only for it to leave them with a massive explosion.

649
00:34:57.559 --> 00:35:00.280
<v Speaker 1>It sounds pretty far fetched, like something out of a

650
00:35:00.280 --> 00:35:05.199
<v Speaker 1>science fiction film. But Elsio was adamant that they witnessed

651
00:35:05.280 --> 00:35:08.159
<v Speaker 1>this thing and it was real and it was proof

652
00:35:08.559 --> 00:35:12.760
<v Speaker 1>of contact with extraterrestrial And here's where the story takes

653
00:35:12.760 --> 00:35:15.320
<v Speaker 1>an even stranger turn. As if it hasn't already taken

654
00:35:15.360 --> 00:35:18.199
<v Speaker 1>a bit of a strange term. But there were multiple

655
00:35:18.679 --> 00:35:22.840
<v Speaker 1>documented reports from other witnesses who had heard a loud

656
00:35:23.039 --> 00:35:27.679
<v Speaker 1>explosion and seen these mysterious lights that Elsio had described

657
00:35:27.719 --> 00:35:30.920
<v Speaker 1>over top of the beach that night. In fact, in fact,

658
00:35:30.960 --> 00:35:32.920
<v Speaker 1>the event was so significant that it even caught the

659
00:35:32.920 --> 00:35:36.480
<v Speaker 1>attention of the Brazilian Navy and Air Force, who launched

660
00:35:36.519 --> 00:35:38.679
<v Speaker 1>an official investigation into it.

661
00:35:39.159 --> 00:35:43.159
<v Speaker 2>Okay, and this story is the night that they died, right, No, oh,

662
00:35:43.199 --> 00:35:44.159
<v Speaker 2>this was the other night.

663
00:35:44.320 --> 00:35:47.719
<v Speaker 1>This is when Elsio is working with them on the

664
00:35:47.719 --> 00:35:50.679
<v Speaker 1>beach prior to them even die. So we now have

665
00:35:50.840 --> 00:35:56.960
<v Speaker 1>two documented nights where there are supposed experiments happening, with

666
00:35:57.719 --> 00:35:59.880
<v Speaker 1>documented UFO sightings.

667
00:36:00.119 --> 00:36:03.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah well yeah, to even get like the did you

668
00:36:03.480 --> 00:36:05.519
<v Speaker 2>say the Navy or the army or something.

669
00:36:05.639 --> 00:36:07.559
<v Speaker 1>The Air Force and the Navy.

670
00:36:07.480 --> 00:36:10.039
<v Speaker 2>Yeah wow, okay, yeah.

671
00:36:10.159 --> 00:36:12.400
<v Speaker 1>So now, during their inquiry, the military discovered that they

672
00:36:12.480 --> 00:36:16.719
<v Speaker 1>had picked up three unidentified radio signals on the night

673
00:36:16.760 --> 00:36:19.719
<v Speaker 1>of the explosion, signals that they couldn't trace to any

674
00:36:19.880 --> 00:36:23.400
<v Speaker 1>known source. They even reported hearing a strange conversation over

675
00:36:23.400 --> 00:36:25.920
<v Speaker 1>the radios. Of the contents of the conversation were never

676
00:36:26.320 --> 00:36:30.119
<v Speaker 1>revealed publicly. What made it even more mysterious was that

677
00:36:30.480 --> 00:36:34.360
<v Speaker 1>despite having technology to locate the origins of the radio transmissions,

678
00:36:34.559 --> 00:36:38.199
<v Speaker 1>the military was unable to determine where the signals came from.

679
00:36:38.719 --> 00:36:42.119
<v Speaker 1>None of the radios involved in the transmission were registered

680
00:36:42.199 --> 00:36:43.440
<v Speaker 1>within Brazil.

681
00:36:44.280 --> 00:36:48.679
<v Speaker 2>M okay, And was there with these two bodies that

682
00:36:48.719 --> 00:36:52.719
<v Speaker 2>they'd found? Was there any sort of powder? Not that

683
00:36:52.760 --> 00:36:54.679
<v Speaker 2>I'm aware of, okay, I can't remember if you like

684
00:36:54.760 --> 00:36:56.880
<v Speaker 2>said that, and I just knowed it, okay, not.

685
00:36:56.800 --> 00:36:59.559
<v Speaker 1>That I'm aware of. And the powder there is no

686
00:36:59.719 --> 00:37:02.719
<v Speaker 1>doc documented evidence of this powder. That is strictly just

687
00:37:02.719 --> 00:37:07.559
<v Speaker 1>what els was talking, right, But unfortunately, this beach experiment,

688
00:37:07.599 --> 00:37:10.000
<v Speaker 1>this was the last time that Elsio actually saw Manuel

689
00:37:10.239 --> 00:37:14.360
<v Speaker 1>and Miguel alive before they ended up passing on vitamin Hill.

690
00:37:14.679 --> 00:37:17.639
<v Speaker 2>And why the heck wasn't he involved in this other one?

691
00:37:17.679 --> 00:37:17.880
<v Speaker 1>Hey?

692
00:37:19.400 --> 00:37:19.679
<v Speaker 3>Wasn't.

693
00:37:20.000 --> 00:37:22.920
<v Speaker 1>Just wasn't so. As the months went by, police struggled

694
00:37:22.960 --> 00:37:24.880
<v Speaker 1>to come up with an answer, and the case remained

695
00:37:25.880 --> 00:37:28.920
<v Speaker 1>very confusing. Then a little over a year later, a

696
00:37:28.960 --> 00:37:31.559
<v Speaker 1>new lead emerged that added a potential clue to the puzzle.

697
00:37:32.000 --> 00:37:34.559
<v Speaker 1>A Brazilian yoga professor stepped forward and claimed that he

698
00:37:34.639 --> 00:37:37.280
<v Speaker 1>knew the purpose of the mysterious pills that had been

699
00:37:37.320 --> 00:37:40.239
<v Speaker 1>mentioned in the note found with the bodies. According to

700
00:37:40.280 --> 00:37:44.840
<v Speaker 1>this professor, who was a local scientific spiritualist and had

701
00:37:44.920 --> 00:37:48.920
<v Speaker 1>knowledge of them, they had begun doing experiments with psychedelic

702
00:37:49.039 --> 00:37:52.599
<v Speaker 1>drugs as a way to tune their minds for contact

703
00:37:52.639 --> 00:37:56.840
<v Speaker 1>with these spirits or alien life. These substances were said

704
00:37:56.880 --> 00:37:59.239
<v Speaker 1>to put people into a trance like state, which made

705
00:37:59.280 --> 00:38:02.280
<v Speaker 1>them more perceptive to the signals and emissions that extra

706
00:38:03.000 --> 00:38:05.320
<v Speaker 1>extraterrestrial beings might transmit.

707
00:38:07.039 --> 00:38:08.000
<v Speaker 2>That kind of makes sense.

708
00:38:08.360 --> 00:38:11.480
<v Speaker 1>I mean, honestly, people do that today, like LSD acid, Like,

709
00:38:11.480 --> 00:38:13.239
<v Speaker 1>oh my god, I'm going on a trip, right, That's

710
00:38:13.239 --> 00:38:15.079
<v Speaker 1>why they call it a trip because of all these

711
00:38:15.079 --> 00:38:17.880
<v Speaker 1>different like plane traveling or what. I don't know the

712
00:38:18.199 --> 00:38:20.880
<v Speaker 1>proper terminology, or I could be being a bit ignorant

713
00:38:20.880 --> 00:38:23.360
<v Speaker 1>about it, but there are these sort of things that

714
00:38:23.480 --> 00:38:27.199
<v Speaker 1>literally occur today in spiritualistic realms.

715
00:38:27.320 --> 00:38:27.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah stuff.

716
00:38:27.920 --> 00:38:32.360
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, yeah, and now because of these admissions were

717
00:38:32.400 --> 00:38:35.840
<v Speaker 1>thought to be blindingly bright. He also said that, yeah,

718
00:38:35.880 --> 00:38:40.280
<v Speaker 1>the lead masks makes sense because of this or whatever protection.

719
00:38:42.599 --> 00:38:45.440
<v Speaker 1>I mean, a lot of this didn't really offer much

720
00:38:45.480 --> 00:38:48.119
<v Speaker 1>new information, Like the police kind of already thought about

721
00:38:48.159 --> 00:38:51.599
<v Speaker 1>that because they found the writings with Manuel and Miguel's books,

722
00:38:51.719 --> 00:38:54.719
<v Speaker 1>things that were highlighted for regarding the lead masks, they

723
00:38:54.760 --> 00:38:59.400
<v Speaker 1>found the lead in their workshops. They kind of already

724
00:38:59.400 --> 00:39:02.519
<v Speaker 1>figured that it's not really any new information really. But

725
00:39:02.800 --> 00:39:05.280
<v Speaker 1>in June of nineteen sixty eight, two years after the death,

726
00:39:05.320 --> 00:39:08.440
<v Speaker 1>another potential break in the case would surface. The police

727
00:39:08.440 --> 00:39:10.960
<v Speaker 1>announced that they were searching for a quote blonde man

728
00:39:11.079 --> 00:39:14.000
<v Speaker 1>who was believed to have driven the jeep that transported

729
00:39:14.039 --> 00:39:17.679
<v Speaker 1>Manuel and Miguel from Nitario to the base of Vitamin Hill.

730
00:39:18.320 --> 00:39:20.519
<v Speaker 1>A witness had come forward stating that they had seen

731
00:39:20.599 --> 00:39:22.880
<v Speaker 1>two men, the two men speaking with a blonde man

732
00:39:22.960 --> 00:39:27.320
<v Speaker 1>in a jeep. They were reportedly the two There were

733
00:39:27.400 --> 00:39:30.280
<v Speaker 1>reportedly two other individuals in the jeep as well, though

734
00:39:30.320 --> 00:39:33.880
<v Speaker 1>witnesses didn't get a good look at them. Unfortunately, this

735
00:39:34.000 --> 00:39:37.440
<v Speaker 1>lead turned out to be a dead end, okay, and

736
00:39:37.480 --> 00:39:41.199
<v Speaker 1>the blonde man and the other occupants were never identified.

737
00:39:41.599 --> 00:39:45.320
<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, that's not like the best of descriptions to

738
00:39:45.360 --> 00:39:46.079
<v Speaker 2>find somebody.

739
00:39:46.239 --> 00:39:48.679
<v Speaker 1>There's a blonde dude and a jeep with two other guys.

740
00:39:49.280 --> 00:39:54.199
<v Speaker 1>You described fifty percent of Californians. I'm sorry, Like, I'm

741
00:39:54.199 --> 00:39:56.679
<v Speaker 1>just picturing like Hollywood's depiction of like a surfer. He's

742
00:39:56.760 --> 00:39:59.920
<v Speaker 1>driving down like the beach highway with like the blaw

743
00:40:00.159 --> 00:40:01.719
<v Speaker 1>flowing blonde air. It's jeep, you know.

744
00:40:02.440 --> 00:40:04.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so yeah, it's not the best of descriptions.

745
00:40:05.000 --> 00:40:07.760
<v Speaker 1>No it's not. It's pretty open ended in all honesty.

746
00:40:08.719 --> 00:40:11.000
<v Speaker 1>But this case would take another unexpected twist when a

747
00:40:11.079 --> 00:40:15.280
<v Speaker 1>man named Hamilton Bizani came forward claiming to know exactly

748
00:40:15.559 --> 00:40:19.360
<v Speaker 1>what happened to Manuel and Miguel. Now, according to Hamilton,

749
00:40:19.360 --> 00:40:22.199
<v Speaker 1>who was already a notorious criminal serving time in prison,

750
00:40:22.679 --> 00:40:26.159
<v Speaker 1>he himself was responsible for the men's death.

751
00:40:26.679 --> 00:40:28.159
<v Speaker 2>Oh okay, here we go.

752
00:40:28.400 --> 00:40:32.239
<v Speaker 1>So Hamilton's story was bizarre, but he said that while

753
00:40:32.320 --> 00:40:34.679
<v Speaker 1>hiding from the law in Rio de Janeiro, he was

754
00:40:34.840 --> 00:40:37.840
<v Speaker 1>approached by three individuals who had a job for him

755
00:40:38.239 --> 00:40:42.360
<v Speaker 1>in Nitorel and this job promised good pay for all involved.

756
00:40:42.760 --> 00:40:45.840
<v Speaker 1>The group took him to Nitoreo, where they visited a

757
00:40:45.920 --> 00:40:49.239
<v Speaker 1>spiritualist center. It was at this center, during a seance

758
00:40:49.280 --> 00:40:53.519
<v Speaker 1>that Hamilton said that's when they met Manuel and Miguel.

759
00:40:54.480 --> 00:40:56.920
<v Speaker 1>According to Hamilton, they learned during the sanths the two

760
00:40:56.920 --> 00:40:59.760
<v Speaker 1>men were planning to return home to buy a used

761
00:40:59.800 --> 00:41:02.920
<v Speaker 1>car and equipment and they had a significant amount of

762
00:41:02.920 --> 00:41:05.840
<v Speaker 1>cash on them. Hamilton then claimed that the group drove

763
00:41:05.920 --> 00:41:08.440
<v Speaker 1>Manuel Miguel to the base of him in hill, forced

764
00:41:08.480 --> 00:41:11.079
<v Speaker 1>them to walk to the top, robbed them, made them

765
00:41:11.119 --> 00:41:14.559
<v Speaker 1>drink poison, and that's that.

766
00:41:17.039 --> 00:41:20.320
<v Speaker 2>You're frowning well, Afers, I was like, Okay, maybe this

767
00:41:20.360 --> 00:41:22.639
<v Speaker 2>is going to get us somewhere, but that doesn't really

768
00:41:22.960 --> 00:41:28.559
<v Speaker 2>seem like it does not really like at all? Yeah,

769
00:41:28.639 --> 00:41:32.760
<v Speaker 2>not really well because they also did the toxcology report, right,

770
00:41:32.800 --> 00:41:34.760
<v Speaker 2>and they didn't say that there was any poison in

771
00:41:34.800 --> 00:41:35.599
<v Speaker 2>them exactly.

772
00:41:36.559 --> 00:41:39.599
<v Speaker 1>Not to mention that this witness mentioned there were three

773
00:41:39.639 --> 00:41:42.079
<v Speaker 1>people in the vehicle talking to Manuel Miguel. This guy's

774
00:41:42.199 --> 00:41:45.039
<v Speaker 1>now saying that there was four of them plus Manuel Miguel.

775
00:41:45.320 --> 00:41:48.039
<v Speaker 1>And I mean, in all honesty, if this was a robbery,

776
00:41:48.079 --> 00:41:50.360
<v Speaker 1>like he's saying, like they they robbed him at the

777
00:41:50.360 --> 00:41:53.760
<v Speaker 1>top of the hill and made them drink poison, why

778
00:41:53.920 --> 00:41:54.760
<v Speaker 1>was there still money.

779
00:41:54.559 --> 00:41:56.840
<v Speaker 2>In the body they're wanting have been like a dime left?

780
00:41:56.960 --> 00:41:58.920
<v Speaker 1>And also, if you're going to rob them, why make

781
00:41:58.960 --> 00:42:01.119
<v Speaker 1>them walk to the top of the hill before robbing them?

782
00:42:01.960 --> 00:42:02.599
<v Speaker 2>Exactly?

783
00:42:02.800 --> 00:42:05.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, why I walk them all the way up, rob them,

784
00:42:05.039 --> 00:42:06.920
<v Speaker 1>then make them drink poison up that why not the

785
00:42:06.920 --> 00:42:08.159
<v Speaker 1>bottom or anywhere else?

786
00:42:08.280 --> 00:42:10.199
<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, like, I feel like no one wants to

787
00:42:10.400 --> 00:42:12.639
<v Speaker 2>willingly walk up the hill, right.

788
00:42:13.800 --> 00:42:17.119
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, even to authorities as this guy's talking, they were

789
00:42:17.159 --> 00:42:20.079
<v Speaker 1>not convinced. The whole story felt fake and force and

790
00:42:20.599 --> 00:42:25.280
<v Speaker 1>they were just like, yeah, sure, buddy, so okay. The

791
00:42:25.280 --> 00:42:28.519
<v Speaker 1>police had already been chasing complex theories involving UFO scientific

792
00:42:28.519 --> 00:42:31.440
<v Speaker 1>spiritualism and cult like rituals, and now they're expected to

793
00:42:31.440 --> 00:42:34.519
<v Speaker 1>believe the sudden tale of random robbery turned murder. And

794
00:42:34.639 --> 00:42:37.719
<v Speaker 1>ultimately the police decided, yeah, they weren't chasing this one,

795
00:42:37.719 --> 00:42:39.880
<v Speaker 1>and they did not charge Hamilton with the crime, and

796
00:42:39.920 --> 00:42:46.320
<v Speaker 1>his confession was dismissed as completely unreliable. Frustrated and running

797
00:42:46.320 --> 00:42:50.079
<v Speaker 1>out of leads, the police eventually closed the case. The

798
00:42:51.039 --> 00:42:54.760
<v Speaker 1>investigation into the deaths of Manuel and Miguel have been shelved,

799
00:42:55.280 --> 00:42:59.840
<v Speaker 1>and the authorities were done pursuing theories involving all these random,

800
00:43:00.039 --> 00:43:06.679
<v Speaker 1>paranormal supernatural things, and officially the case remains unsolved and

801
00:43:06.840 --> 00:43:10.599
<v Speaker 1>is today a mystery. However, for some, the lack of

802
00:43:11.000 --> 00:43:13.679
<v Speaker 1>resolution in the bizarre details in the case only fueled

803
00:43:13.719 --> 00:43:17.079
<v Speaker 1>further speculation. There are those who believe that the police

804
00:43:17.159 --> 00:43:19.079
<v Speaker 1>knew more than that they were willing to let on,

805
00:43:20.159 --> 00:43:21.920
<v Speaker 1>and that they closed the case due to lack of

806
00:43:22.000 --> 00:43:24.760
<v Speaker 1>evidence because they didn't want to confront the possibility of

807
00:43:24.800 --> 00:43:28.400
<v Speaker 1>something beyond their understanding or willingness to inform the public

808
00:43:28.519 --> 00:43:32.320
<v Speaker 1>of the truth. Okay, this theory actually does gain some

809
00:43:32.400 --> 00:43:35.119
<v Speaker 1>traction and isn't just based off people just talking about

810
00:43:35.159 --> 00:43:38.880
<v Speaker 1>the police, Because there was another strange incident that occurred

811
00:43:38.880 --> 00:43:43.719
<v Speaker 1>on Vitamin Hill just a couple years earlier, really, in

812
00:43:43.840 --> 00:43:47.679
<v Speaker 1>nineteen sixty two, four years before the death of Manuel Miguel,

813
00:43:47.920 --> 00:43:52.159
<v Speaker 1>another man, an electronics repair man named Hermes, was found

814
00:43:52.239 --> 00:43:55.960
<v Speaker 1>dead on that same hill. He too was dressed in

815
00:43:56.039 --> 00:43:58.880
<v Speaker 1>a suit and found with a lead mask.

816
00:43:58.960 --> 00:44:02.280
<v Speaker 2>Next time, Oh my gosh.

817
00:44:01.360 --> 00:44:05.559
<v Speaker 1>His death was equally unexplained, and like the latter case,

818
00:44:05.599 --> 00:44:09.159
<v Speaker 1>the police closed the file without offering any real answers.

819
00:44:09.840 --> 00:44:14.079
<v Speaker 2>Holy shit, what a just wild ride though, that this

820
00:44:14.400 --> 00:44:19.760
<v Speaker 2>case is even given the police, Like I can't even imagine.

821
00:44:19.800 --> 00:44:21.719
<v Speaker 1>I know, I feel like the police are honestly just

822
00:44:21.760 --> 00:44:25.719
<v Speaker 1>like rolling their eyes at whatever new twist and turn

823
00:44:25.840 --> 00:44:29.159
<v Speaker 1>comes to them. Yeah, like okay, what next, Like you

824
00:44:29.199 --> 00:44:29.679
<v Speaker 1>know what I mean?

825
00:44:30.039 --> 00:44:33.360
<v Speaker 2>But it does make sense because I mean, it's not

826
00:44:33.400 --> 00:44:38.079
<v Speaker 2>a new concept that like UFO or like alien life

827
00:44:38.159 --> 00:44:41.960
<v Speaker 2>or whatever's hidden from the public, right, Oh, definitely, So

828
00:44:42.199 --> 00:44:45.159
<v Speaker 2>that's that's I don't know, that makes sense to me

829
00:44:45.199 --> 00:44:46.000
<v Speaker 2>a bit too well.

830
00:44:46.000 --> 00:44:48.159
<v Speaker 1>And there is the idea that some people toss around

831
00:44:48.159 --> 00:44:50.760
<v Speaker 1>a bit that these guys wearing suits out at the

832
00:44:50.760 --> 00:44:56.679
<v Speaker 1>top of the hill, men in black. Oh yeah, those

833
00:44:56.679 --> 00:44:59.599
<v Speaker 1>government individuals that show up and like force you to

834
00:44:59.679 --> 00:45:01.639
<v Speaker 1>keep your else shut, like knows right.

835
00:45:02.440 --> 00:45:04.599
<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, the fact that this is this is that

836
00:45:04.760 --> 00:45:09.559
<v Speaker 2>has happened previously is bizarre. Yeah, bizarre.

837
00:45:10.000 --> 00:45:12.320
<v Speaker 1>So that's the case of the lead mask. The lead

838
00:45:12.360 --> 00:45:12.920
<v Speaker 1>mask case.

839
00:45:13.679 --> 00:45:15.760
<v Speaker 2>Huh, holy shit?

840
00:45:16.679 --> 00:45:18.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah wow.

841
00:45:18.880 --> 00:45:20.440
<v Speaker 2>I don't even know what the hell to say.

842
00:45:20.559 --> 00:45:23.400
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if you ask me. I mean, they

843
00:45:23.400 --> 00:45:26.000
<v Speaker 1>definitely ingested something, and I think they were intending to

844
00:45:26.000 --> 00:45:30.360
<v Speaker 1>communicate somehow via these drugs. And I have a feeling

845
00:45:30.400 --> 00:45:32.719
<v Speaker 1>the toxicology report being done a year later may not

846
00:45:32.760 --> 00:45:36.679
<v Speaker 1>have been able to.

847
00:45:35.000 --> 00:45:37.000
<v Speaker 2>Pick it up pick it up, yeah there.

848
00:45:37.039 --> 00:45:39.199
<v Speaker 1>Or maybe at the time it wasn't able to pick

849
00:45:39.280 --> 00:45:41.320
<v Speaker 1>up whatever they were taking, or they weren't searching for

850
00:45:41.360 --> 00:45:43.400
<v Speaker 1>the right thing, who knows. I do think that they

851
00:45:43.440 --> 00:45:47.000
<v Speaker 1>took pills hoping it would help them communicate with other

852
00:45:47.079 --> 00:45:49.920
<v Speaker 1>worldly beings, whether dead or extraterrestrials. I'm just gonna say

853
00:45:49.920 --> 00:45:53.880
<v Speaker 1>other worldly, and as a result, it killed them.

854
00:45:54.239 --> 00:45:57.800
<v Speaker 2>Hmm. I also think these two men would have known

855
00:45:57.920 --> 00:46:01.400
<v Speaker 2>too that this other person had done previously, right, I'm

856
00:46:01.400 --> 00:46:05.000
<v Speaker 2>assuming most likely, So that just it's interesting that they

857
00:46:05.039 --> 00:46:06.280
<v Speaker 2>would have gone about doing it.

858
00:46:06.440 --> 00:46:08.599
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but he did it wrong, We're.

859
00:46:08.400 --> 00:46:11.199
<v Speaker 2>Going to do right, true, And then now there's just

860
00:46:11.239 --> 00:46:12.519
<v Speaker 2>not a fourth person trying.

861
00:46:13.480 --> 00:46:16.519
<v Speaker 1>And I also want to say I think that there

862
00:46:16.639 --> 00:46:21.000
<v Speaker 1>was a third person involved, most likely that Elsio guy,

863
00:46:22.320 --> 00:46:26.559
<v Speaker 1>because what I think is they had that experiment that

864
00:46:26.639 --> 00:46:29.400
<v Speaker 1>blew up and left that residue right, and then they

865
00:46:29.400 --> 00:46:31.519
<v Speaker 1>did it on the beach and they there was reports

866
00:46:31.599 --> 00:46:34.239
<v Speaker 1>of this big light. Yeah. I think their experiment then

867
00:46:34.480 --> 00:46:37.760
<v Speaker 1>also blew up, and that's why there's reports of these

868
00:46:37.880 --> 00:46:41.440
<v Speaker 1>lights in the sky and the sound. I think they

869
00:46:41.480 --> 00:46:44.199
<v Speaker 1>did it on this hill again, and Elsio was there

870
00:46:44.239 --> 00:46:47.440
<v Speaker 1>with them. I think between the drugs and the explosion,

871
00:46:47.679 --> 00:46:53.079
<v Speaker 1>these guys died. El SiO panicked and fucked off cleaning

872
00:46:53.119 --> 00:46:53.920
<v Speaker 1>up the crime scene.

873
00:46:54.519 --> 00:46:57.280
<v Speaker 2>Oh okay, yeah, fair.

874
00:46:57.559 --> 00:46:59.800
<v Speaker 1>It would explain the loud noise and the lights if

875
00:46:59.800 --> 00:47:01.039
<v Speaker 1>they're an explosion.

876
00:47:00.719 --> 00:47:02.760
<v Speaker 2>Like he knew more than he was saying kind of thing.

877
00:47:02.920 --> 00:47:05.440
<v Speaker 1>I don't think there's an extraterrestrial I think they had

878
00:47:05.440 --> 00:47:08.719
<v Speaker 1>some sort of experiment that went wrong, blew up, big

879
00:47:08.880 --> 00:47:13.400
<v Speaker 1>bright flash of light, noise. I don't think they died

880
00:47:13.440 --> 00:47:15.280
<v Speaker 1>necessarily from that, but I do think they died maybe

881
00:47:15.320 --> 00:47:19.320
<v Speaker 1>a combination of that plus the drugs, because maybe they

882
00:47:19.320 --> 00:47:22.079
<v Speaker 1>were on like they were already about to have a

883
00:47:22.119 --> 00:47:25.880
<v Speaker 1>heart attack, their heart rate was so high the explosion happened.

884
00:47:25.920 --> 00:47:28.519
<v Speaker 1>Maybe there was an emp I don't know, some sort

885
00:47:28.559 --> 00:47:32.480
<v Speaker 1>of shockwave hit them, stop their hearts. Who knows. There's

886
00:47:32.599 --> 00:47:34.320
<v Speaker 1>a bunch of theory go in with it, but I

887
00:47:34.320 --> 00:47:38.679
<v Speaker 1>think combination of the explosion and drugs killed them. And

888
00:47:38.760 --> 00:47:41.880
<v Speaker 1>Elco knew more than he's talking about, or someone else

889
00:47:42.039 --> 00:47:42.679
<v Speaker 1>was there.

890
00:47:44.199 --> 00:47:48.719
<v Speaker 2>Also still a cult? Yes, this is one percent to me, Well, okay,

891
00:47:48.760 --> 00:47:51.320
<v Speaker 2>I'll do ninety nine percent. Sounds like a cult.

892
00:47:52.239 --> 00:47:54.679
<v Speaker 1>Think it's a cult, it really does. I think you

893
00:47:54.719 --> 00:47:57.639
<v Speaker 1>can be a spiritualist. I think you can be a scientist.

894
00:47:57.679 --> 00:47:59.880
<v Speaker 1>I think you can be a scientific spiritualist and not

895
00:48:00.079 --> 00:48:02.880
<v Speaker 1>be within a cult. But this one, this particular incident

896
00:48:02.960 --> 00:48:04.480
<v Speaker 1>sounds cult too cult like to me.

897
00:48:05.079 --> 00:48:13.320
<v Speaker 2>It kind of does it does. Yeah, Wow, that's wild. Dang, Like,

898
00:48:13.360 --> 00:48:15.280
<v Speaker 2>why did you have to pick this kind of case

899
00:48:15.280 --> 00:48:17.039
<v Speaker 2>for today? Now? My brain is just not going to

900
00:48:17.079 --> 00:48:17.320
<v Speaker 2>shove it.

901
00:48:17.400 --> 00:48:17.920
<v Speaker 1>It's just screen.

902
00:48:18.000 --> 00:48:20.559
<v Speaker 2>We'll be like middle of the night on our way,

903
00:48:20.840 --> 00:48:23.239
<v Speaker 2>like flying because we have to go to Toronto first,

904
00:48:23.480 --> 00:48:26.440
<v Speaker 2>and I'll be like, what about this man? Maybe it

905
00:48:26.480 --> 00:48:26.880
<v Speaker 2>was this.

906
00:48:27.159 --> 00:48:28.880
<v Speaker 1>Hey, yeah, let's talk about We'll theorize on.

907
00:48:28.880 --> 00:48:30.800
<v Speaker 2>The people on the plane will be like, wow, those

908
00:48:30.800 --> 00:48:32.199
<v Speaker 2>people have weird conversations.

909
00:48:32.480 --> 00:48:35.480
<v Speaker 1>Let's let's get plane drunk. Let's just get drunk the

910
00:48:35.519 --> 00:48:38.239
<v Speaker 1>plane and we're just going to talk about murders and

911
00:48:38.519 --> 00:48:41.559
<v Speaker 1>ghosts and cults and all this stuff.

912
00:48:42.320 --> 00:48:44.119
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I don't know if that would go well for us.

913
00:48:44.960 --> 00:48:45.639
<v Speaker 1>It might not.

914
00:48:45.840 --> 00:48:47.800
<v Speaker 2>It's a red eye, so my hope is that I'll

915
00:48:47.800 --> 00:48:50.320
<v Speaker 2>be able to sleep. But we'll see how that goes.

916
00:48:50.480 --> 00:48:53.199
<v Speaker 1>We'll see. Hopefully you guys enjoyed this case, if you

917
00:48:53.239 --> 00:48:56.360
<v Speaker 1>guys have theories about it, because it is very all

918
00:48:56.400 --> 00:48:58.480
<v Speaker 1>over the place, Like Nicole was saying, it's hard to follow.

919
00:48:58.559 --> 00:49:00.000
<v Speaker 1>But the basics of the case of what you were

920
00:49:00.039 --> 00:49:02.199
<v Speaker 1>you need to consider. If you want to dive deep,

921
00:49:02.239 --> 00:49:04.239
<v Speaker 1>that's when you really get that little bit extra information.

922
00:49:04.440 --> 00:49:06.159
<v Speaker 1>But I still want to hear your theories. Let us

923
00:49:06.199 --> 00:49:09.199
<v Speaker 1>know she does a message, email, whatever. We're curious, and

924
00:49:09.280 --> 00:49:10.960
<v Speaker 1>still we appreciate you guys being here, even if you

925
00:49:10.960 --> 00:49:12.559
<v Speaker 1>don't have a theory, even if you don't reach out,

926
00:49:12.880 --> 00:49:15.119
<v Speaker 1>but you can reach out. Check it our links down below,

927
00:49:15.360 --> 00:49:17.679
<v Speaker 1>do all that good stuff. You're here. You're amazing. Thank you.

928
00:49:18.440 --> 00:49:19.440
<v Speaker 1>We'll talk to you next time.

929
00:49:19.800 --> 00:49:21.039
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, until next time.

930
00:49:21.159 --> 00:49:23.400
<v Speaker 1>And next time we are going to be recording this on.

931
00:49:23.400 --> 00:49:26.519
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah trip. Yeah.

932
00:49:26.559 --> 00:49:30.199
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, we'll be talking from over in Orlando from

933
00:49:30.199 --> 00:49:30.920
<v Speaker 1>our hotel room.

934
00:49:31.079 --> 00:49:35.280
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's cool. And until then, stay wicked.