WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.200 --> 00:00:03.279 Smith and Rogan are irked when Murray expresses his befuddlement 2 00:00:03.359 --> 00:00:05.839 that Smith has become a prominent voice in the debate 3 00:00:05.879 --> 00:00:09.880 about Israel and Palestine without ever having visited the Middle East. 4 00:00:10.400 --> 00:00:12.880 The shock at the idea that someone ought to see 5 00:00:12.880 --> 00:00:15.880 things with their own eyes before commenting on them is palpable. 6 00:00:16.079 --> 00:00:17.760 Have you been there? 7 00:00:18.719 --> 00:00:18.879 Right? 8 00:00:18.920 --> 00:00:19.600 That's a good point. 9 00:00:19.760 --> 00:00:21.559 Have you even you haven't been? 10 00:00:22.359 --> 00:00:24.039 How is he in all these wars? Can I just 11 00:00:24.079 --> 00:00:26.280 go to wars? By the way, how are you left? 12 00:00:26.440 --> 00:00:28.399 Are you allowed to just go to wars? 13 00:00:30.760 --> 00:00:33.520 Can you just go ought to see of going? Can 14 00:00:33.560 --> 00:00:34.920 I just go to wars? 15 00:00:35.200 --> 00:00:37.079 Or do I have to come back and say what 16 00:00:37.119 --> 00:00:38.799 people want me to say about the wars? 17 00:00:39.039 --> 00:00:43.560 The problem with modern media is there are now continual bullvoks. 18 00:00:43.799 --> 00:00:45.439 You get rid of Joe Rogan. You got to deal 19 00:00:45.439 --> 00:00:47.320 with Candace Avenge. You get rid of Candace Avenge. You 20 00:00:47.399 --> 00:00:49.520 got in Carol, you get rid of in Carrol. You 21 00:00:49.600 --> 00:00:51.159 got me, you get rid of me. You got to 22 00:00:51.200 --> 00:00:53.280 deal with Lex Freeman, You get rid of Lex Friedman. 23 00:00:53.359 --> 00:00:56.719 You got to deal with Daddy evermore, Alex Jones. How 24 00:00:56.759 --> 00:01:01.479 are they going to control smear, show down every single 25 00:01:01.640 --> 00:01:03.759 one of those Pundi's you. 26 00:01:03.719 --> 00:01:05.439 Get rid of Crowder, you get rid of Temple? 27 00:01:05.680 --> 00:01:07.040 How are you gonna do it? How are you gonna 28 00:01:07.040 --> 00:01:10.079 do it? And ultimately it's more important. You guys are 29 00:01:10.079 --> 00:01:12.840 more important. You are the people that mau so in 30 00:01:12.879 --> 00:01:14.719 a way, whatever you talk about in the rumble chat, 31 00:01:14.760 --> 00:01:18.159 you're a Zionist giantny Semi. It doesn't really make any difference. 32 00:01:18.319 --> 00:01:21.959 Even issues as significant as Israel and Israel's power, even 33 00:01:21.959 --> 00:01:25.000 issues as significant as the Russia Ukraine War, even issues 34 00:01:25.040 --> 00:01:29.319 as significant as Epstein's power fade when compared to the 35 00:01:29.359 --> 00:01:31.560 spiritual war that I believe we're in. 36 00:01:31.680 --> 00:01:33.719 Nat So, since I put out that episode last week 37 00:01:33.719 --> 00:01:36.799 where I said that there's a cancelation attempt against Rogan 38 00:01:36.840 --> 00:01:40.560 and a deep platform deplatforming attempt against Dave Smith and 39 00:01:40.640 --> 00:01:45.599 Daryl Cooper, there has been a firestorm and everyone is 40 00:01:45.680 --> 00:01:49.159 now engaging in this conversation. So take a little victory 41 00:01:49.239 --> 00:01:52.879 lap for myself there. I identified this before anybody, as 42 00:01:52.959 --> 00:01:54.640 best I can tell. I'm sure some of you identified 43 00:01:54.640 --> 00:01:56.239 it at the same time I did, But in terms 44 00:01:56.280 --> 00:01:58.680 of commentators, I was definitely on the front lines with 45 00:01:58.719 --> 00:02:00.680 this one. And I think the reason that I was 46 00:02:00.719 --> 00:02:02.799 able to catch. It is just simply because these are 47 00:02:03.040 --> 00:02:06.640 my people, because I'm a huge fan of obviously Davey's 48 00:02:06.680 --> 00:02:09.319 a friend and Rogan and I've followed them forever, and 49 00:02:09.360 --> 00:02:13.879 I've followed the news backlash to these things very consistently 50 00:02:13.919 --> 00:02:16.199 for a very long time. I can sense when people 51 00:02:16.240 --> 00:02:19.159 are doing things that are reputationally damaging. There's usually a 52 00:02:19.159 --> 00:02:22.120 catalyst for that. What is that catalyst, and it's if 53 00:02:22.120 --> 00:02:24.919 it's not evident, well then it's probably hidden. And if 54 00:02:24.960 --> 00:02:29.319 it's hidden, then it's probably ops show the logical chain there. 55 00:02:29.840 --> 00:02:32.319 So I think that's what we're witnessing. But I want 56 00:02:32.319 --> 00:02:34.919 to go through some of the responses because this has 57 00:02:34.960 --> 00:02:39.439 been a tremendous opportunity to distill who is worth listening 58 00:02:39.439 --> 00:02:41.840 to and following moving forward in my opinion, and I 59 00:02:41.879 --> 00:02:44.560 think at the someone who's risen, Well, there's been tons 60 00:02:44.599 --> 00:02:47.159 of figures that have fallen over the past week. One 61 00:02:47.240 --> 00:02:49.280 of the figures that I'm very fond of that has 62 00:02:49.360 --> 00:02:53.240 risen and risen to the occasion is Brett Weinstein, and 63 00:02:53.280 --> 00:02:56.520 he has put out a video which I'll play for 64 00:02:56.599 --> 00:02:58.680 you in a second. But before I do that, I 65 00:02:58.719 --> 00:03:01.439 want to talk about a little bit about why I 66 00:03:01.479 --> 00:03:06.919 think Douglas Murray setting aside the actual the actual argument, 67 00:03:07.159 --> 00:03:10.159 and just talk about the tone and delivery and why 68 00:03:10.199 --> 00:03:12.759 it doesn't land with an American audience, particularly a Joe 69 00:03:12.840 --> 00:03:18.759 Rogan audience. There is something very different culturally between Americans 70 00:03:19.360 --> 00:03:22.919 and the Brits. They have a class structure that is 71 00:03:23.479 --> 00:03:26.800 much more prominent than the way we look at things. 72 00:03:27.159 --> 00:03:30.159 Certainly we still have you know, class here, but it's 73 00:03:30.240 --> 00:03:34.360 just not that's not how we decipher truth from fiction. 74 00:03:35.039 --> 00:03:37.719 And I think that the reason that someone like Rogan 75 00:03:38.280 --> 00:03:42.199 rose to such high levels of popularity and listenership is 76 00:03:42.240 --> 00:03:47.400 because he doesn't rely on class, he doesn't rely on credentialism. 77 00:03:47.800 --> 00:03:52.080 He's just do you have an argument. Okay, you're a 78 00:03:52.120 --> 00:03:54.879 comic and you want to talk about Israel palasign. Okay, 79 00:03:55.159 --> 00:03:57.360 let's do it. Let's see if your argument stands up. 80 00:03:57.879 --> 00:04:00.000 Oh you you're a comic and you have an argument 81 00:04:00.120 --> 00:04:04.039 about a foreign war. Well how about I bring in 82 00:04:04.120 --> 00:04:06.719 an alleged expert on that, like Douglas Murray and see 83 00:04:06.719 --> 00:04:10.479 if you can hold your own I think what rubs 84 00:04:10.479 --> 00:04:12.800 the Brits the wrong way, And I've realized this after 85 00:04:12.879 --> 00:04:15.919 listening to both constantin kiss and Douglas Murray and Carl 86 00:04:15.919 --> 00:04:20.160 Benjamin aka Sargon of a cod is that they they 87 00:04:20.199 --> 00:04:24.680 definitely ascribe greater value to those that wear a suit 88 00:04:25.079 --> 00:04:28.040 and speak in a posh accent and come from an 89 00:04:28.120 --> 00:04:31.680 upper class background, went to Oxford or Cambridge or whatever. 90 00:04:31.959 --> 00:04:33.959 I think that that's not how Americans really view things, 91 00:04:34.000 --> 00:04:36.759 and I think that it's increasingly the opposite of how 92 00:04:36.800 --> 00:04:39.959 Americans view things. Like if you're talking to somebody who 93 00:04:40.040 --> 00:04:44.959 went to a state school or Harvard or Yale, you're 94 00:04:44.959 --> 00:04:47.959 probably going to be more doubtful of the legitimacy of 95 00:04:47.959 --> 00:04:50.600 the claims that comes from someone who was indoctrinated to 96 00:04:50.639 --> 00:04:52.759 the Ivy League. At least you know people in this 97 00:04:52.839 --> 00:04:54.959 audience for sure. At least I am. I don't take 98 00:04:54.959 --> 00:04:57.959 your credentials seriously at all. You're gonna have to demonstrate 99 00:04:58.000 --> 00:05:00.120 to me that, like, you're actually a free thinker, a 100 00:05:00.160 --> 00:05:03.600 critical thinker, You're intelligent. I could have gotten through Harvard easily, 101 00:05:04.079 --> 00:05:07.439 But does that make me smart? Well, I guess you 102 00:05:07.480 --> 00:05:09.040 could say that it makes me smart because I could 103 00:05:09.040 --> 00:05:12.199 have done it easily, But that doesn't make me right, right, 104 00:05:12.800 --> 00:05:15.480 Like that That's the key here. We're trying to find 105 00:05:15.560 --> 00:05:21.160 truth and constantin kissing will sit there and very very 106 00:05:21.399 --> 00:05:24.639 nicely lit recording studio, and he sits there and he 107 00:05:24.680 --> 00:05:28.040 stares dead into the camera, and he talks very eloquently, 108 00:05:28.439 --> 00:05:31.439 and he wears a suit and his hair's done up, 109 00:05:31.839 --> 00:05:35.079 and it's just like it's all a delivery that is 110 00:05:35.560 --> 00:05:40.079 trying to ascribe legitimacy to his claims when the arguments 111 00:05:40.079 --> 00:05:43.439 aren't actually present, and the opposite is true for someone 112 00:05:43.519 --> 00:05:46.360 like Rogan or Dave Smith or myself. I'm sitting here 113 00:05:46.399 --> 00:05:48.800 in a T shirt and a beanie. I don't have 114 00:05:48.839 --> 00:05:52.639 any lights on. I'm just ambient light from outside, and 115 00:05:52.800 --> 00:05:56.480 that's it. And I expect you to actually listen to 116 00:05:56.519 --> 00:05:57.959 what I have to say and decide if I'm right 117 00:05:58.000 --> 00:06:00.879 or wrong. And I think that that's that's a much 118 00:06:00.879 --> 00:06:05.240 more American way of analyzing these things, particularly after the 119 00:06:05.279 --> 00:06:09.399 media has proven itself to be disreputable. They've lied to 120 00:06:09.480 --> 00:06:11.360 us for decades, and they've gotten us into so many 121 00:06:11.480 --> 00:06:15.399 wars and I mean lockdown as a whole, I mean 122 00:06:15.759 --> 00:06:18.879 everything they do. They basically led us into a near 123 00:06:19.000 --> 00:06:22.879 race war in the summer twenty twenty. So yeah, they 124 00:06:22.920 --> 00:06:25.839 have rightfully lost our trust. So what we're looking for 125 00:06:26.439 --> 00:06:30.680 is not honorifics. It's not credentials. It's not even wealth 126 00:06:30.959 --> 00:06:34.800 or evidence of success. You know, do you drive a 127 00:06:34.800 --> 00:06:41.639 Ferrari or whatever. It's honesty, sincerity, authenticity, Are you for real? 128 00:06:42.800 --> 00:06:44.759 Doesn't necessarily mean you're right, But that's kind of a 129 00:06:44.800 --> 00:06:47.879 prerequisite to being right, is that you're at least trying 130 00:06:47.920 --> 00:06:50.879 to tell the truth. And I think that's what has 131 00:06:50.920 --> 00:06:54.759 made Dave Smith rise to such heights, and to such 132 00:06:54.839 --> 00:06:58.079 high heights so recently, is that he just it's so 133 00:06:58.240 --> 00:07:00.920 obvious that he's authentic in what he's what he's talking about. 134 00:07:01.480 --> 00:07:03.800 It doesn't mean he's right about everything, but as I said, 135 00:07:03.879 --> 00:07:06.439 that's the prerequisite to whether or not he's worth listening to. 136 00:07:06.839 --> 00:07:09.639 I think Brett Weinstein is a good example of this 137 00:07:10.000 --> 00:07:14.639 when it comes to the more credentialed academic version of 138 00:07:14.680 --> 00:07:17.480 a Dave Smith. He's not gonna sit there in a 139 00:07:17.519 --> 00:07:19.839 T shirt necessarily, and he's not going to drop f 140 00:07:19.879 --> 00:07:22.959 bombs or or you know, make jokes very often, but 141 00:07:23.199 --> 00:07:27.199 it's obvious that he's being his authentic self. He's very 142 00:07:27.240 --> 00:07:32.079 he's a very slow speaking, deep thinking guy, and he 143 00:07:32.560 --> 00:07:36.120 takes in new information and he contrasts it with his 144 00:07:36.240 --> 00:07:40.759 previous assumptions on a topic, and then he basically cross 145 00:07:40.800 --> 00:07:43.560 references the two and he says, Okay, I'm gonna drop 146 00:07:43.600 --> 00:07:47.600 these previous ideas that I was holding and pushing to 147 00:07:47.600 --> 00:07:49.639 my audience, and now I'm going to uplift these new 148 00:07:49.680 --> 00:07:52.319 ideas and I'm gonna kind of integrate them into my worldview. 149 00:07:53.000 --> 00:07:55.240 And I think that's all most people are asking for. 150 00:07:55.720 --> 00:07:57.360 You don't have to drop f bombs, you don't have 151 00:07:57.399 --> 00:08:00.439 to you know, dress like a schlub either, But are 152 00:08:00.480 --> 00:08:04.800 you actually reconsidering new information as new information comes to light? 153 00:08:05.319 --> 00:08:09.360 And this good example of this was Brett Weinstein early 154 00:08:09.399 --> 00:08:12.759 on in the Lockdowns. Some people say that he supported 155 00:08:12.759 --> 00:08:15.560 the lockdowns. I didn't follow his show closely back then, 156 00:08:15.639 --> 00:08:19.040 but he did have some photos of him wearing a 157 00:08:19.079 --> 00:08:22.680 mask and big goggles. And he's been dragged mercilessly for that. 158 00:08:23.160 --> 00:08:26.680 But don't I don't feel that way, particularly if you're 159 00:08:26.720 --> 00:08:30.920 doing it in the you know, late February early March timeframe, 160 00:08:30.959 --> 00:08:33.480 when Fauci and others were saying, you don't need these things, 161 00:08:34.039 --> 00:08:36.879 and for him to still be thinking critically and thinking 162 00:08:36.879 --> 00:08:40.399 freely and to kind of contrarian, but maybe right is 163 00:08:40.440 --> 00:08:42.279 to go, well, we don't know what this is, so 164 00:08:42.320 --> 00:08:46.240 I'm gonna take precautions. I don't have any problem with that. 165 00:08:46.600 --> 00:08:49.440 And if you as new information comes out and you realize, oh, 166 00:08:49.440 --> 00:08:52.759 this isn't efficacious, well I'm gonna drop it and I'm 167 00:08:52.799 --> 00:08:55.440 gonna notify my audience. I think that this is this 168 00:08:55.519 --> 00:08:58.799 is all bad guidance that you're getting from HHS, fauci, 169 00:08:58.759 --> 00:09:02.120 et cetera. And he did that consistently for the past 170 00:09:02.159 --> 00:09:04.919 five years. And like, that's how you that's how you 171 00:09:04.960 --> 00:09:09.360 earn respect. It's not about credentials, it's about track record. 172 00:09:09.960 --> 00:09:13.720 And Douglas Murray, as I've demonstrated so many times, I'm 173 00:09:13.720 --> 00:09:15.960 not going to recap it, but this guy has advocated 174 00:09:16.000 --> 00:09:19.120 every single war that we've been in, and they've all 175 00:09:19.120 --> 00:09:22.080 been disastrous. And like, I don't give a shit that 176 00:09:22.120 --> 00:09:24.200 you went to Oxford. I don't care that you wrote 177 00:09:24.279 --> 00:09:27.440 four or five books. You've been wrong about the biggest 178 00:09:27.480 --> 00:09:30.600 issues time and time and time again, to the detriment 179 00:09:30.679 --> 00:09:34.000 of my country. Why should I not hold you accountable 180 00:09:34.039 --> 00:09:36.360 for that? Well, on the inverse of that is, did 181 00:09:36.399 --> 00:09:40.360 you get the biggest issues right? Brett Weinstein has, at 182 00:09:40.440 --> 00:09:44.120 least in recent memory. That's to his credit and he 183 00:09:44.200 --> 00:09:46.919 deserves despite the fact that, like I think, he also 184 00:09:47.320 --> 00:09:50.440 supported Andrew Yang, which I find to be insane and 185 00:09:50.519 --> 00:09:54.679 totally counter to my political worldview. I'm still going to 186 00:09:54.720 --> 00:09:57.279 forgive that because that's the difference of opinion. That's not 187 00:09:57.279 --> 00:10:00.720 so much being wrong on the issue as much as 188 00:10:00.879 --> 00:10:06.000 having a different perspective on political solutions. He's more left leaning, 189 00:10:06.080 --> 00:10:09.559 he's going to advocate for more left leaning solutions, but 190 00:10:09.600 --> 00:10:13.639 he's still being honest, he's still seeking truth. And I 191 00:10:13.720 --> 00:10:17.480 won't talk out of school here, But after I posted 192 00:10:17.519 --> 00:10:22.399 something saying I'm left wondering if the IDW the Intellectual 193 00:10:22.480 --> 00:10:28.559 Dark Web, was subverted or if it was created from 194 00:10:28.600 --> 00:10:32.759 its inception to basically curtail the non interventionist right when 195 00:10:32.759 --> 00:10:35.480 it comes to foreign policy. And a lot of people 196 00:10:35.519 --> 00:10:38.159 got upset with me about that, because you know, they're saying, well, 197 00:10:38.159 --> 00:10:40.120 these are all former lefties, like, how would they possibly 198 00:10:40.120 --> 00:10:43.519 curtel the right? Well, let me explain. These are still 199 00:10:43.639 --> 00:10:47.919 very influential figures, figures that became extraordinarily prominent largely because 200 00:10:47.919 --> 00:10:51.480 of their relationship to Joe Rogan and their continuous access 201 00:10:51.480 --> 00:10:54.720 to enormous audiences for a four or five six year period. Yes, 202 00:10:55.360 --> 00:10:57.639 they're the moderate lefties, but they come over, they get 203 00:10:57.679 --> 00:11:00.600 this huge platform and they start to talk about this 204 00:11:00.840 --> 00:11:03.480 is this is the over This is the We don't 205 00:11:03.519 --> 00:11:06.080 agree with this Overton window. This is the new Overton window. 206 00:11:06.240 --> 00:11:11.279 But this Overton window includes within it Empire, It includes 207 00:11:11.279 --> 00:11:15.039 within it our greatest ally and continuing foreign intervention. A 208 00:11:15.039 --> 00:11:16.919 lot of people got upset about it, as I said, 209 00:11:16.919 --> 00:11:20.399 but I'll tell you without disclosing anything that would you 210 00:11:20.600 --> 00:11:24.600 violate privacy. I got a text message from Brett Weinstein, 211 00:11:25.200 --> 00:11:26.519 and I'm not gonna say what he said to me, 212 00:11:26.679 --> 00:11:30.799 but let's just say he is also viewing what's happening 213 00:11:30.840 --> 00:11:35.200 now and he's concerned by it. And instead of telling 214 00:11:35.240 --> 00:11:37.080 you what he talked to me about, I'm just gonna 215 00:11:37.080 --> 00:11:39.879 play you his clip because it basically gets to the point, 216 00:11:39.879 --> 00:11:43.120 and it's also public information, so I won't be talking 217 00:11:43.200 --> 00:11:44.360 out of school. Let's check it out. 218 00:11:44.519 --> 00:11:47.960 The mechanism by which we discovered it is well known. 219 00:11:48.039 --> 00:11:51.279 It is the exact thing that the founders of this 220 00:11:51.399 --> 00:11:54.919 great country put first on the list of our enumerated 221 00:11:55.000 --> 00:11:58.480 rights for a goddamn reason. It was they couldn't name 222 00:11:58.559 --> 00:12:01.679 a podcast, they couldn't have called out Joe Rogan, but 223 00:12:01.759 --> 00:12:05.039 they came as close as they could come to saying, sorry, 224 00:12:05.399 --> 00:12:12.279 there's no source of high quality information versus low quality information, malinformation, disinformation. 225 00:12:12.559 --> 00:12:15.120 You can't know ahead of time. The mechanism by which 226 00:12:15.120 --> 00:12:21.000 you come to understand what is true, Douglas is discussion. 227 00:12:21.639 --> 00:12:23.639 It is discussion in which nobody gets to set the 228 00:12:23.720 --> 00:12:26.960 rules about what kinds of opinions can be investigated. And yes, 229 00:12:27.200 --> 00:12:30.000 that does cause some garbage stuff to be said, But 230 00:12:30.159 --> 00:12:33.679 what reveals that it's garbage stuff? Free and open inquiry, 231 00:12:33.679 --> 00:12:36.200 that reveals that actually it doesn't stand up to scrutiny. 232 00:12:36.440 --> 00:12:40.039 That's how you do it. Constantine Kissin, I don't know 233 00:12:40.039 --> 00:12:43.360 what's wrong with these people. It's really like somebody has 234 00:12:44.200 --> 00:12:46.360 figured out how to threaten them into saying things that 235 00:12:46.360 --> 00:12:48.720 they full well know aren't true. They're becoming what they 236 00:12:48.720 --> 00:12:51.679 were fighting against. They are becoming what they were fighting against. 237 00:12:51.720 --> 00:12:54.240 And I must say, in both of those cases, I 238 00:12:54.320 --> 00:12:57.360 feel like I don't think I was duped to begin 239 00:12:57.440 --> 00:13:00.480 with that they actually held free speech as a high value. 240 00:13:00.559 --> 00:13:02.559 So the fact that they are backing away from it 241 00:13:02.600 --> 00:13:05.919 and calling for some kind of standard, self imposed or 242 00:13:05.960 --> 00:13:09.679 otherwise to prevent certain You know, the fact is, heterodoxy 243 00:13:09.759 --> 00:13:13.039 is heterodoxy, and it often sounds crazy, and most of 244 00:13:13.039 --> 00:13:16.679 it is. But the good stuff is the stuff that 245 00:13:16.799 --> 00:13:20.480 sounds crazy that then does strangely stand up to scrutiny. 246 00:13:20.600 --> 00:13:23.320 That's how you figure out what's coming is you look 247 00:13:23.360 --> 00:13:26.399 at the heterodox stuff and you figure out what has 248 00:13:26.480 --> 00:13:29.399 predictive power. And you can't get around that. And the 249 00:13:29.399 --> 00:13:31.240 people who tried fail. 250 00:13:31.759 --> 00:13:35.919 Kudos tremendously well said, and I could not agree more. 251 00:13:36.240 --> 00:13:39.080 And I think in some ways the reason that Brett 252 00:13:39.080 --> 00:13:43.279 has become such a stalwart advocate for free speech and 253 00:13:42.919 --> 00:13:48.320 open debate is that his origin story was getting kicked 254 00:13:48.320 --> 00:13:51.080 off of Evergreen College and being threatened by the woke mob. 255 00:13:51.159 --> 00:13:54.279 And you know that that left an indelible mark on him, 256 00:13:54.399 --> 00:13:56.559 at least as best I can tell. And I think 257 00:13:56.639 --> 00:13:59.039 you know essentially what he conveyed in that message of 258 00:13:59.120 --> 00:14:02.679 Dark Dark Horse podcasts is you know what we talked 259 00:14:02.679 --> 00:14:07.240 about privately, and I think it's it's obviously just true. 260 00:14:07.279 --> 00:14:12.120 Like who were the heterodox thinkers back in twenty twenty one, 261 00:14:12.159 --> 00:14:17.440 doctor Peter McCullough. You know, like some legitimate experts, but 262 00:14:17.600 --> 00:14:21.600 they were heterodots in that moment of kind of cult, 263 00:14:22.320 --> 00:14:27.200 just group think, psychosis, doctor Robert Malone, a bunch of 264 00:14:27.240 --> 00:14:31.240 guys that have been proven empirically to be far closer 265 00:14:31.240 --> 00:14:34.639 to the truth than the so called experts. And this 266 00:14:34.720 --> 00:14:37.120 is the value of the podcast sphere, and this is 267 00:14:37.159 --> 00:14:41.000 the value of the Jero Rogan podcast writ large, is 268 00:14:41.000 --> 00:14:45.879 that he enables large audiences to hear and consider what 269 00:14:46.000 --> 00:14:48.840 are heterodox ideas when it matters most. And if you 270 00:14:48.919 --> 00:14:51.399 don't do that, well, then in my opinion, you're doing 271 00:14:51.480 --> 00:14:54.240 your audience a disservice, trusting that your audience will be 272 00:14:54.320 --> 00:14:57.960 intelligent enough to decipher truth from fiction or at least 273 00:14:58.200 --> 00:15:01.840 take in ideas, consider the and then do further research 274 00:15:01.879 --> 00:15:04.600 to establish whether or not they are accurate. What's even 275 00:15:04.639 --> 00:15:07.080 more galling about this, though, is that Douglas Murray is 276 00:15:07.080 --> 00:15:10.159 sitting right across the table from this guy who he 277 00:15:10.240 --> 00:15:15.919 believes to be a smear merchant or a deceptive figure 278 00:15:16.039 --> 00:15:19.320 in Dave Smith, then just call him on the bullshit 279 00:15:19.399 --> 00:15:22.879 right then and there, lay it all out. You have 280 00:15:23.440 --> 00:15:26.519 an opportunity that Dave and I would just dream of 281 00:15:27.440 --> 00:15:29.639 to call you out in your bullshit, But you're sitting 282 00:15:29.720 --> 00:15:31.279 right there and you can't do it in real time. 283 00:15:32.759 --> 00:15:35.960 Seems a little odd, doesn't it. So it's not as 284 00:15:36.039 --> 00:15:38.879 if it's not as if they're critiquing Rogan for having 285 00:15:38.919 --> 00:15:43.679 on Dave Smith by himself, which sure you could argue, well, 286 00:15:43.919 --> 00:15:46.639 he's only platforming people that have these crazy ideas he's 287 00:15:46.639 --> 00:15:49.480 never having on But that's not true either. He has 288 00:15:49.519 --> 00:15:51.639 on Douglas Murray. Just the week prior, he had on 289 00:15:51.679 --> 00:15:55.879 constantin Kissing, which by the way, has no credentials outside 290 00:15:55.879 --> 00:15:58.559 of what Dave Smith does. He's a stand up comic, 291 00:15:59.759 --> 00:16:03.960 So why should you be platformed Constantin? Shouldn't we only 292 00:16:03.960 --> 00:16:06.360 listen to you when it comes to comedy. You talk 293 00:16:06.360 --> 00:16:09.120 about everything, you talk about the war in Ukraine. You've 294 00:16:09.120 --> 00:16:13.320 debated Dave on the war in Ukraine. But the truth 295 00:16:13.399 --> 00:16:18.759 is is that it's not about credentials. It's about gatekeeping 296 00:16:19.200 --> 00:16:24.240 and only permitting a certain narrative, and that certain narrative 297 00:16:24.759 --> 00:16:29.519 is obviously intervention on behalf of a country in the 298 00:16:29.519 --> 00:16:32.840 Middle East. Time and time again. This is the tie 299 00:16:32.879 --> 00:16:37.000 that binds every single figure that has come out aggressively, 300 00:16:37.240 --> 00:16:39.840 including Michael Rappaport, who had this to say. 301 00:16:39.919 --> 00:16:43.679 But Joe Rogan, it's an open discussion. You know, we're 302 00:16:43.720 --> 00:16:46.440 just floating ideas. We're not married to them being facts 303 00:16:46.440 --> 00:16:49.240 are not facts, and they don't have to be experts. 304 00:16:49.519 --> 00:16:52.080 We're having we're having to talk. We're just having it talking, 305 00:16:52.240 --> 00:16:55.039 smoking a cigar. Sometimes they smoke weed. We're just talking. 306 00:16:55.279 --> 00:16:58.399 That's Joe Rogan's here. And it's great for everything except 307 00:16:58.399 --> 00:17:01.320 for facts. It's great for everything except for people that 308 00:17:01.360 --> 00:17:05.200 are disparaging week after week podcast after his podcast and 309 00:17:05.279 --> 00:17:07.880 not telling the truth and the reality of what has 310 00:17:07.920 --> 00:17:11.400 happened October seventh and beyond. So you bring on one 311 00:17:11.440 --> 00:17:14.119 scumbang after the next comeback and they said, well, I'm 312 00:17:14.119 --> 00:17:16.640 not an expert. I'm a comedian. I'm not an expert, 313 00:17:17.039 --> 00:17:20.000 but I know this. I'm not an expert on on Hitler, 314 00:17:20.119 --> 00:17:21.880 but blah blah blah blah blah. I'm not an expert 315 00:17:21.920 --> 00:17:23.839 on Churchill but blah blah blah blah blah. I'm not 316 00:17:23.880 --> 00:17:26.880 an expert on the conflict in the Middle East. But 317 00:17:27.119 --> 00:17:30.240 here's all of my thoughts. I'm a comedian, but we're 318 00:17:30.240 --> 00:17:32.079 not gonna do any jokes. We're not gonna talk comedy. 319 00:17:32.079 --> 00:17:33.720 I'm just gonna expound. 320 00:17:33.240 --> 00:17:34.119 On all my thought. 321 00:17:34.359 --> 00:17:39.160 Yet another example of a comedian and actor who's talking 322 00:17:39.160 --> 00:17:41.559 out of school. Live by your own rules. Shut the 323 00:17:41.559 --> 00:17:45.599 fuck up, stop stop talking about this, right? 324 00:17:46.000 --> 00:17:46.279 I mean? 325 00:17:46.279 --> 00:17:46.720 What what? 326 00:17:46.799 --> 00:17:50.119 Why are you an authority as to who's able to 327 00:17:50.160 --> 00:17:52.160 talk about this stuff? If you can't talk about it either, 328 00:17:52.160 --> 00:17:53.400 why are you talking about it? How do you know 329 00:17:53.400 --> 00:17:56.160 what the truth is? He claims that Dave Smith isn't 330 00:17:56.160 --> 00:17:59.519 telling the truth all these lying motherfucker Okay, well, then 331 00:17:59.559 --> 00:18:00.920 how do you know what the truth is? Aren't you 332 00:18:00.920 --> 00:18:02.920 just a stand up comic? Are you an expert? Like 333 00:18:02.960 --> 00:18:05.759 this is the point is that you can't. You can't 334 00:18:05.799 --> 00:18:08.279 just assume that someone's an expert because they say they are. 335 00:18:08.799 --> 00:18:11.319 Dave Smith repeatedly says, I'm not an expert. But the 336 00:18:11.359 --> 00:18:13.640 truth is, if you want to be really honest about it, 337 00:18:14.119 --> 00:18:17.079 Dave's about as close to an expert on that conflict 338 00:18:17.319 --> 00:18:21.160 as you'll find. Listen to the guy. He has read, 339 00:18:21.519 --> 00:18:24.079 I don't know, dozens of books on the issue. I'm 340 00:18:24.079 --> 00:18:26.720 not saying that that makes him an expert, but compared 341 00:18:26.720 --> 00:18:31.160 to the general public, he's damn close, damn close, And 342 00:18:31.240 --> 00:18:35.200 compared to Douglas Murray, obviously closer. I mean, explain to 343 00:18:35.200 --> 00:18:37.559 me how Douglas Murray has been to Ukraine and been 344 00:18:37.599 --> 00:18:40.079 to Israel and yet he gets things wrong over and 345 00:18:40.119 --> 00:18:42.920 over again. Oh, Ukrainians are about to win this war. 346 00:18:43.160 --> 00:18:44.799 Just need to continue to give them aid. They'll be 347 00:18:44.839 --> 00:18:49.480 pushing the Russians out within months, weeks. Even it's a lie, 348 00:18:49.799 --> 00:18:53.079 it's a lie. So his his lived experience didn't amount 349 00:18:53.079 --> 00:18:58.160 to shit. But that's not the point. It's not about credentials, 350 00:18:58.160 --> 00:19:02.799 it's not about expertise, about crafting and maintaining a narrative 351 00:19:02.839 --> 00:19:05.880 and an Overton window that leaves people like the non 352 00:19:05.960 --> 00:19:10.880 interventionist right wing out out of the conversation. We don't 353 00:19:10.920 --> 00:19:13.519 want a guy like Dave Smith having an audience of 354 00:19:13.519 --> 00:19:16.880 fifteen million people because it's damaging to what we want 355 00:19:17.000 --> 00:19:21.000 to see happen. That's all this is. That's all it is. 356 00:19:21.519 --> 00:19:25.000 Because if it was just about challenging his bad ideas, 357 00:19:25.400 --> 00:19:27.799 you had the biggest opportunity in the world to do 358 00:19:27.839 --> 00:19:31.799 so you sat there with the guy for three hours. 359 00:19:32.519 --> 00:19:35.519 The fact that you got beat up is not Dave's fault, 360 00:19:35.640 --> 00:19:40.599 that's yours. You didn't bring any facts to offset like Rapaport, 361 00:19:40.640 --> 00:19:43.720 just keeps saying it's about facts. It's not just oh, sure, 362 00:19:43.759 --> 00:19:45.279 you can have an opinion, but no, when it comes 363 00:19:45.319 --> 00:19:49.160 to facts, Dave has the facts. People, he's not making 364 00:19:49.200 --> 00:19:52.319 it up. You can disagree with his conclusion, but in 365 00:19:52.400 --> 00:19:55.839 terms of the facts that he's bringing leaked State Department 366 00:19:55.880 --> 00:19:58.599 cables and you know Smotrich and net and Yahoo and 367 00:19:58.640 --> 00:20:02.920 all of these other reporting from Israeli reporting, you know outlets. 368 00:20:03.119 --> 00:20:06.319 Sure argue that all of that's wrong or the conclusion 369 00:20:06.359 --> 00:20:09.240 is wrong, that's fine, but he's not making that stuff up. 370 00:20:09.279 --> 00:20:11.880 And you know the reason that you know that is 371 00:20:11.920 --> 00:20:14.880 because there is no hit piece is circulating that demonstrate 372 00:20:14.920 --> 00:20:18.680 that Dave is lying. None try and find one. The 373 00:20:19.279 --> 00:20:21.680 clip that goes viral over and over again is just 374 00:20:21.920 --> 00:20:25.359 Dave hasn't been there, You've never been That's it. There's 375 00:20:25.400 --> 00:20:28.839 no breakdown, there's no challenging of actually the points that 376 00:20:28.880 --> 00:20:32.279 he brings up, which should be easy to do if 377 00:20:32.319 --> 00:20:34.839 he's such a liar, if he's such an idiot, but 378 00:20:34.880 --> 00:20:38.240 no one's done it because they can't because it's an 379 00:20:38.279 --> 00:20:42.279 impenetrable case. I just want to really emphasize that point. 380 00:20:43.359 --> 00:20:47.559 It's not about expertise or credentials. It's that Dave is 381 00:20:47.640 --> 00:20:51.319 fucking right. He is right about this. And why does 382 00:20:51.359 --> 00:20:54.160 it matter that Dave Smith is right? Well, because his 383 00:20:54.640 --> 00:20:57.599 argumentation is convincing a lot of his buddies who are 384 00:20:57.640 --> 00:21:01.640 extraordinarily influential, like Tim Dillon, like Joe Rogan list goes 385 00:21:01.680 --> 00:21:06.039 on and on that maybe we shouldn't continue to stand 386 00:21:06.279 --> 00:21:08.559 shoulder to shoulder with the country as they destroy their neighbor. 387 00:21:08.720 --> 00:21:13.880 Deporting them because they've been critical of a foreign government 388 00:21:15.119 --> 00:21:20.039 seems to feed the conspiracy theories that the United States 389 00:21:20.119 --> 00:21:21.319 is acting and doing things in the. 390 00:21:21.240 --> 00:21:22.119 Behast of Israel. 391 00:21:22.759 --> 00:21:26.519 What you want to do, if you're creating a political culture, 392 00:21:26.920 --> 00:21:29.799 you want to try to prevent people from drifting to 393 00:21:29.839 --> 00:21:30.559 the extremes. 394 00:21:30.720 --> 00:21:33.039 Rogan's got an audience of fifteen million. I don't know 395 00:21:33.039 --> 00:21:34.920 how many people listen to Tim Dillon, but it's got 396 00:21:34.960 --> 00:21:38.799 to be a couple million at least. And this is 397 00:21:38.839 --> 00:21:42.119 not this shouldn't be surprising to people. These guys are 398 00:21:42.680 --> 00:21:45.000 at their core. To be a good comic, you have 399 00:21:45.039 --> 00:21:48.119 to be interested in truth because and then unspeakable truths, 400 00:21:48.119 --> 00:21:50.599 particularly are things that you want to if you want 401 00:21:50.599 --> 00:21:52.359