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<v Speaker 1>It's a bit like one of those Agatha Christie things,

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<v Speaker 1>isn't it? And then they're worth three? And now there

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<v Speaker 1>are two.

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<v Speaker 2>Now there are two, just the two of us. It's

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<v Speaker 2>a song about that.

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<v Speaker 3>If there isn't a song, then someone should write one.

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<v Speaker 2>I think there's quite a few Speir's classic to become

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<v Speaker 2>one that could be when we're you know, one of us,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, break something else and we have the

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<v Speaker 2>you know, it's just a silo podcast. Actually it's just

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<v Speaker 2>a monologue. Actually that's what you get when you come

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<v Speaker 2>around your house, isn't it. You're just to call it

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<v Speaker 2>was brother with Star Wars, Get off, my lord?

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<v Speaker 3>Do you know?

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<v Speaker 1>It's Actually I was just thinking what they missed a

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<v Speaker 1>trick when that film The Human Centerpede. They should have

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<v Speaker 1>used the spy Skills when Two Become One as the

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<v Speaker 1>soundtrack for that, to add a little bit of humor

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<v Speaker 1>to would be a great trailer, wouldn't it.

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<v Speaker 3>When to be a come one.

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<v Speaker 2>Somebody you need to search for this on YouTube. Somebody

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<v Speaker 2>has recut Missus Doubtfire has a horror film. So it's

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<v Speaker 2>it's just some creepy man putting on this woman's mask

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<v Speaker 2>and invading the houses of children. Brilliant, one of the

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<v Speaker 2>best editing editing things I've ever seen.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a bit like the girl who was a gender

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<v Speaker 1>studies student and she did a thesis on studying love

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<v Speaker 1>actually as a as examples of gross misogyny. And it

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<v Speaker 1>was genuinely quite a funny, tongue in cheek thing about

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<v Speaker 1>you know, just just how terrible all the male characters are,

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<v Speaker 1>and every single one has got all these various and

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<v Speaker 1>she did. It's a joke, and of course the Daily

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<v Speaker 1>Mail picked it up.

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<v Speaker 3>Woke ass. Yes, I thought it's quite good.

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<v Speaker 1>So anyway, I suppose we ought to explain to listeners

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<v Speaker 1>who perhaps were out of the loop last time. Unfortunately,

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<v Speaker 1>mister Pridho is not with us, and he won't be

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<v Speaker 1>for the next couple of weeks. Whilst his leg heels

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<v Speaker 1>because he came off second best after a fight with

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<v Speaker 1>an older ah that is a tree, not an old man,

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<v Speaker 1>although you know, possibly he could could have actually had

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<v Speaker 1>a fight with an old man and he's just trying

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<v Speaker 1>to sort of make it sound a bit butcher.

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<v Speaker 2>But I don't think shattering your leg is the sort

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<v Speaker 2>of injury an old man may may inflict. On you, well,

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<v Speaker 2>unless they were a horse.

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<v Speaker 1>An old horse, or I mean, I would have thought

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<v Speaker 1>a zimmer frame could probably inflict quite a nasty injury

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<v Speaker 1>if aimed at.

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<v Speaker 2>The shine I used to rub pinchers. Only surface wounds

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<v Speaker 2>you get from that, get a bruising. You're fine.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, we were just like, just like to remind listeners

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<v Speaker 1>that everything you hear on Country Slide is not necessarily real,

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<v Speaker 1>the artists work of fiction exactly. Yes, he didn't honestly

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<v Speaker 1>do that. So yes, I'm afraid there are only two

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<v Speaker 1>of us. And of course that does mean that because

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<v Speaker 1>you've got Callum and me. That means the sort of

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<v Speaker 1>the rudder, the keel that keeps us balanced is now.

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<v Speaker 3>Not with us.

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<v Speaker 1>So therefore we will probably veer off into rocky shores

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<v Speaker 1>and who knows where in.

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<v Speaker 2>Depth topics of no politics this week, No, we'll we'll

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<v Speaker 2>just keep it nice.

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<v Speaker 1>No anyway, back to them straights of horror moves.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's keep it like a Sunday drive.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's do that.

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<v Speaker 1>So anyway, it's look, it's what what have you been

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<v Speaker 1>up to of lake? Because obviously the last week all

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<v Speaker 1>you'd spent your spare time doing was sitting in an

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<v Speaker 1>accident and emergency waiting for your daughter to stop being

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<v Speaker 1>a fruit machine. So hopefully you're back to normal now.

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<v Speaker 1>And what have you been up to? Anything exciting? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>All back to normal. I've been doing lots of complaining

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<v Speaker 2>because my kitchen that got ripped out is currently being

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<v Speaker 2>built really slowly. And I tried to put a dishwasher

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<v Speaker 2>on last night and they had connected something which meant

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<v Speaker 2>you couldn't then turn the water on because they hadn't

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<v Speaker 2>checked any of that, So that's fun. I didn't put

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<v Speaker 2>a tap in because it looked too fiddly and it

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<v Speaker 2>was somebody else's job, so that was my job, right,

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<v Speaker 2>So just doing a lot of admin. And then finally

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<v Speaker 2>I have cleared about five separate long form video things.

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<v Speaker 2>I see what I did do which shooting people might enjoy.

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<v Speaker 2>I made a video for Seiss Optics that was on

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<v Speaker 2>the Stalking Show.

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<v Speaker 3>Did you go to the Stalking Show?

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<v Speaker 2>I did not. I went to Norfolk instead and spent

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<v Speaker 2>four days drinking, just quite kid.

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<v Speaker 1>So this film for Seis was it sort of crystal

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<v Speaker 1>clear but very expensive?

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<v Speaker 2>Something like that? A guy called Jim Riley who's Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>I know Jim Do you know Jim?

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<v Speaker 1>I do know Jimip Chippenham Park, Chippenham Park. Did my

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<v Speaker 1>DSc one there under him?

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<v Speaker 2>So that is it. That's is the Seiss Center of Excellence.

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<v Speaker 3>Fascinating. He's a he's ane of knowledge, that man.

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<v Speaker 2>Isy. I only really got to sort of boss him around. Really,

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<v Speaker 2>please walk around the woods with a gun, Please do this,

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<v Speaker 2>do that. So I just got to boss him around

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<v Speaker 2>and talk about the seeker cam, little little trail cameras

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<v Speaker 2>that you can strap to trees and they've got simcard

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<v Speaker 2>and Wi Fi and whatnot, and they can they can

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<v Speaker 2>tell you what deer and what animals are knocking around

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<v Speaker 2>and also pretty good for security as well. If you've

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<v Speaker 2>got a if you've got on a state or something

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<v Speaker 2>and you want to know who's coming down the path,

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<v Speaker 2>for what the local hoodleums are up to, then these

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<v Speaker 2>little seeker cam things are quite good.

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<v Speaker 3>Cool.

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<v Speaker 2>It's interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>Perhaps it work with legally speaking to say, if you

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<v Speaker 1>went and I don't know, caught a miscreant up to

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<v Speaker 1>no good and you've got a child camera legitimately put

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<v Speaker 1>there too, you know, to look at wildlife or what

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<v Speaker 1>have you, if you've got this evidence, could you give

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<v Speaker 1>it to the police and say they go or is

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<v Speaker 1>it absolutely?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? No, No, it's not. I mean it's I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't I'm not sure I'm qualified to talk about

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<v Speaker 2>legal side of things, but I do know that people

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<v Speaker 2>have used them and reported them to the police and

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<v Speaker 2>show and shown people that they're there, and that is

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<v Speaker 2>used as evidence, even if it's technically if it's classed

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<v Speaker 2>as like circumstantial. But yeah, I I assume that you can.

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<v Speaker 2>If they're in public places, you can film and photograph

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<v Speaker 2>everyone like people often think. I used to say my

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<v Speaker 2>early career, I used to stay outside the courtroom and

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<v Speaker 2>wait for I used to get a description of what

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<v Speaker 2>somebody looked like, and then I used to photograph. It

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<v Speaker 2>was like a really shit game of guess who. They

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<v Speaker 2>say he looks like a post bloke with short hair,

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<v Speaker 2>he's really tanned, and he's probably wearing tweed, and I'm like, right, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>Colt got it. So then anyone who looks slightly past

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<v Speaker 2>wearing tweed, I'd photograph them coming into a courtroom and

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<v Speaker 2>then hopefully I would get you know, this person who's

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<v Speaker 2>been you know, embezzling money from a charity or whatever

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<v Speaker 2>they were doing of a nasty thing. So it's like paparazzi,

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<v Speaker 2>but like not a crooks chased in celembri. Yeah, vigilanty

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<v Speaker 2>justice paparazzi.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it'd been a lot easier found out find

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<v Speaker 1>out what they were going into court for. So let's

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<v Speaker 1>say it was I don't know, let's embezzling money.

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<v Speaker 3>You go, oh, are you fraud stuff?

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<v Speaker 1>And see which one turns around right, and if it's

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<v Speaker 1>the one that turns around together, he that's him.

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<v Speaker 3>Click click click.

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<v Speaker 2>They do. They definitely didn't want to be photographed. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>there's a picture of me on the front page of

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<v Speaker 2>the Metro when a guy called Marlon King, who was

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<v Speaker 2>a football player got sentenced and I dodged being punched.

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<v Speaker 2>One of the guys from ap got got his camera

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<v Speaker 2>thrown over a wall and I dodged a picture of

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<v Speaker 2>me on the Metro with my mouth open, like because

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<v Speaker 2>I'm dodging being punched, and I'm just like in the

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<v Speaker 2>background of this of this attack photo, which is quite funny.

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<v Speaker 1>Marlon King does sound like a sort of attacker's name

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<v Speaker 1>to me. I mean, I might be being biased here,

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<v Speaker 1>but that sounds like a violent man.

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<v Speaker 3>Someone called Marlon King, you know, someone who.

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<v Speaker 1>Would probably get you in a car park when he

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<v Speaker 1>weren't expecting it.

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<v Speaker 2>So the story was his wife told him she was

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<v Speaker 2>pregnant and then he decided to celebrate by touching other

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<v Speaker 2>women in a nightclub nice and when they recoiled in horror,

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<v Speaker 2>he punched her in the face and broke her nose.

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<v Speaker 2>So there was a sexual assault and assault charge. And

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<v Speaker 2>he was a Premiership football player. His contract got terminated

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<v Speaker 2>very quickly, so kind of ruined his entire career, which

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<v Speaker 2>is not nice.

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<v Speaker 1>No, well, he sounds like the sort of chap you

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<v Speaker 1>need to have a contract terminated.

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<v Speaker 3>I haven't been taking photographs of anybody.

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<v Speaker 2>The point of this was that even when people don't

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<v Speaker 2>want to be photographed in a private or public space,

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<v Speaker 2>they can be photographed, and they can be published, and

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<v Speaker 2>they can be used unless they're actually used in if

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<v Speaker 2>people will get anonymity, if they have like a case

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<v Speaker 2>of sexual assault or something like that, they can't be published.

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<v Speaker 2>They get full animity, so the victims won't be publicly

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<v Speaker 2>shared at all. But anyone that's accused of doing absolutely anything,

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<v Speaker 2>regardless if you've got a picture of them. It can

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<v Speaker 2>be published, so can it be used to prosecute No,

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<v Speaker 2>but it probably can be used in evidence to prove

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<v Speaker 2>that people were there and potentially up to no good.

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<v Speaker 3>So yeah, all right, we go.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, you know, I mean my life is so mundant

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<v Speaker 1>compared with yours because this week I've well largely been

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<v Speaker 1>I wrote the first chapter of my book because I've

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<v Speaker 1>got to write the new one now, and I have

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<v Speaker 1>given a couple of talks. I did one which is

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<v Speaker 1>very interesting actually, which is the Hadly Environmental Action Team,

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<v Speaker 1>which could sound slightly like a sort of heat heat exactly,

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<v Speaker 1>So is there a dog in heat.

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<v Speaker 3>Heat?

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<v Speaker 1>It's some the Hadley Environmental Action Team very interesting. So,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, Hadley's a pretty little sad Suffolk town.

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<v Speaker 2>In my head, I've just got these people with like

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<v Speaker 2>the Heat Squad.

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<v Speaker 3>Do you want to feel the heat? It does? It

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<v Speaker 3>does slightly make you think that it's the Heat Squad.

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<v Speaker 3>You know.

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<v Speaker 2>It's sort of well, someone's going to get in chat

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<v Speaker 2>GPT now and write a very good prompt to sort

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<v Speaker 2>of get these Environmental Action Group as superheroes, as an

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<v Speaker 2>elite task force. And they're doing it just in front

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<v Speaker 2>of a village hall.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, as a I'll be honest, as an elite

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<v Speaker 1>sort of.

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<v Speaker 3>Hit squads, a heat squad.

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<v Speaker 1>They they're quite old actually, you know, they're all at

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<v Speaker 1>least as old as me. So possibly not the superheroes

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<v Speaker 1>you expected, but they are superheroes in their own way,

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<v Speaker 1>the you know, the local environs around the lovely little

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<v Speaker 3>I do for a day job.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's very interesting because you know, I go through

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<v Speaker 3>Get behind farming and whatnot.

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<v Speaker 1>And because we've got the local elections are starting up

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, all of a sudden is there's roads shut. I

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<v Speaker 2>Are you one of these people that has a deep

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<v Speaker 1>Don't agree with them because they'll say roads shut, but

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<v Speaker 1>they don't tell you where.

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<v Speaker 3>It could be three miles away.

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<v Speaker 2>I just these days, I just risk it. I just

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<v Speaker 2>go down until until there's something that I think I

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<v Speaker 2>can't jump that down there, mate, down there. Most of

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<v Speaker 2>the time, I'd say it's an eighty percent success rate.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, it's because at half the time they've either

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<v Speaker 3>When going to go there, all like I say, there

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<v Speaker 1>Great big three sixty digger and they have dug, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>an articulated lorrean and then you do have to You

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<v Speaker 1>got two choices, you know, you either go back or

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<v Speaker 1>you go come on, Luke, let's jump it way you

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<v Speaker 1>have And then you know, obviously I haven't got Colonel

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<v Speaker 2>I packed my Daisy Duke SUTs just in case that together,

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<v Speaker 2>you and your daisy dukes, I could have a denim

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<v Speaker 3>We could have the flag of Suffolk painted.

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<v Speaker 1>On the top of my of my subrew rather than

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<v Speaker 1>a Confederate flag, and then the horn rather than being

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<v Speaker 1>so attle, I think it would be nice if we

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<v Speaker 1>had a bit of Vaughan Williams coming out of the

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<v Speaker 1>lark ascending, you know, a lot less aggressive and with

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<v Speaker 1>the underlying message gentle the Confederacy more gentlemanly as we

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<v Speaker 1>then jump over the top and then break my axle

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, brilliant.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's what we'll do next time, you and your

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<v Speaker 1>daisy dukes, me and me thinks shirt and we could

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<v Speaker 1>have to change our names though, because they were Bow

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<v Speaker 1>and Luke Duke, so we're gonna have to think of

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<v Speaker 1>Duke that I know. Unfortunate, that isn't it. We'll have

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<v Speaker 1>to go and think of some rhymes.

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<v Speaker 2>Calum so you can't really have a calum.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, okay, so we will workshop it. Yeah, we'll work

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<v Speaker 1>shop it. We'll do this off air anyway, he sud.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>The Heat Squad very interesting because I was talking about

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<v Speaker 1>how important it was, you know that we the work

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<v Speaker 1>I do, and about the various birds we are starting

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<v Speaker 1>to see comeback as a result, because now as a

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<v Speaker 1>build up of work, and you know, I'm not the

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<v Speaker 1>only hedge layer working now in Suffolk. There are more

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<v Speaker 1>and more abouts and you're starting to see. And I

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<v Speaker 1>was talking about this and all of a sudden, some

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<v Speaker 1>bloody dullard from the Greens piped up. If we don't

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<v Speaker 1>have net zero, then there won't be any birds anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>because we'll all have died from heat or something. And

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<v Speaker 1>I went now and then I had to go and

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<v Speaker 1>sort of explain to them the fact that saying, well,

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<v Speaker 1>to be perfectly honest, I think what we really all

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<v Speaker 1>can play a part in is increasing biodiversity. What we

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<v Speaker 1>can't all do is is all your stuff with your

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<v Speaker 1>net zero hookem that I didn't quite say like that,

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<v Speaker 1>but it was quite interesting. So Heat Squad and there

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<v Speaker 1>are green party sort of things going up around Hadley.

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<v Speaker 1>Now I thought I might be booed off stage or something,

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<v Speaker 1>but actually I found that the Hadley Environmental Action Team were,

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<v Speaker 1>Oh god, thank god, someone's finally said that is, we'd

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<v Speaker 1>rather go and sort out biadversity decline first and foremost,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, let's worry about the carbon later.

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<v Speaker 3>And so it.

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<v Speaker 1>Seems to me that the voice of common sense is

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<v Speaker 1>ringing out loud and clear in Hadley.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, just the net zero thing, I just, I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>I get it, there's a there's an end game where

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<v Speaker 2>we have to not do that.

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<v Speaker 3>But yeah, I like, I like all these view of it.

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<v Speaker 3>He said.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, he said, so we can go and spend all

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<v Speaker 1>these gazillions of pounds on getting to net zero and

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<v Speaker 1>then we look around us and say, hooray, we're net zero,

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<v Speaker 1>and then look around and everything's dead anyway. And that

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<v Speaker 1>does seem to be the thing is that I think

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<v Speaker 1>Richard Produce said, people are mixing up environmentalism and being

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<v Speaker 1>an environmentalist, which is I looking after your local environment,

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<v Speaker 1>with the mistaken idea that being an environmentalist means you're

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<v Speaker 1>actually worried about energy infrastructure I mean, that isn't quite

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<v Speaker 1>so sexy, is it? When you think about it like that?

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<v Speaker 1>Is that you're, oh, yes, I really want to make

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<v Speaker 1>sure it's all renewable energy. Can you imagine getting really

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<v Speaker 1>excited and turned on by by energy sources. It's just crap,

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<v Speaker 1>isn't it. Let's instead go and think about managing hedges

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<v Speaker 1>and picking up litter and making stuff work better.

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<v Speaker 2>That would be I I like charts. Me love a

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<v Speaker 2>good chart, okay. And when you look at the progress

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<v Speaker 2>towards net zero and you see how well we've done

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<v Speaker 2>versus the influx of carbon pollution from China, it's quite

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<v Speaker 2>easy to say, potentially, what we have done is taken

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<v Speaker 2>all of our manufacturing and all of our dirty work

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<v Speaker 2>and just shipped it to a different part of the world.

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<v Speaker 2>Because I'm sitting in front of me now and I've

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<v Speaker 2>got a monitor that's no doubt made in China. God

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<v Speaker 2>knows where all the electronics that are in front of

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<v Speaker 2>me are made, and they're polluting the earth. But where

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<v Speaker 2>are they polluting the earth? China? Not here?

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<v Speaker 1>So it's it's rather imperialist, isn't it. If you think

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<v Speaker 1>about it, is that it's for a bunch of people

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<v Speaker 1>who probably will be one of the few lots who

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<v Speaker 1>actually think, oh, yes, let's let's go and pay reparations

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<v Speaker 1>payments for our filthy imperialist past I treat I think

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<v Speaker 1>it is an incredibly imperialist thing that we are offsetting

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<v Speaker 1>our pollution by basically saying, go on crack on, China, India, Brazil.

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<v Speaker 1>You can keep on polluting as much as you like,

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<v Speaker 1>but we're going to be smug here. And and we're fine.

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<v Speaker 1>We've done wonderfully, aren't we good. We're we're leading by example.

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<v Speaker 3>No, we're not.

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<v Speaker 1>We're just passing off the solution to other people to

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<v Speaker 1>have to take it. I watched on TV whilst we

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<v Speaker 1>were away because I've been in Southwold for the last.

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<v Speaker 3>Couple of days because it was my birthday treat.

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<v Speaker 1>I was went sat stay in a lovely place right

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<v Speaker 1>on the sand dunes. It was lovely and Charlie had

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<v Speaker 1>never watched The Crown, you know, the TV series about

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<v Speaker 1>and we got to the episode when in nineteenes nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>fifty two when there was the Great smog when Batsy

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<v Speaker 1>Power Station and one or two of the other big

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<v Speaker 1>coal fire power stations in London were jettisoning out all

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<v Speaker 1>the smog, all that sulfur laden coal smoke, and there

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<v Speaker 1>was like some very big low depression which meant to

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<v Speaker 1>fog hung over London, and London, as you know better

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<v Speaker 1>than most calum was on an old marsh. It was

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<v Speaker 1>very low lying, you know, it's a boggy old thing,

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<v Speaker 1>and the things combined together and it had this smog created.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's where the Clean Air Act was then enacted

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<v Speaker 1>after this because it killed apparently twelve thousand people because

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<v Speaker 1>it was so filthy. And I think people forget that

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<v Speaker 1>we used to be a very dirty, dirty country. We were,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, we burned a lot of coalner and these

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<v Speaker 1>sulfurous fumes were doing. But I think what it's always

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<v Speaker 1>strikes me as a bit daft is that when you

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<v Speaker 1>go and see people sort of saying we shouldn't be

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<v Speaker 1>burning wood, and we shouldn't be doing this, and we

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<v Speaker 1>shouldn't be doing that, people think we're still stuck in

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen fifty two. We have means of capturing most of

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<v Speaker 1>the bad gases from most of the things that we

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<v Speaker 1>might burn as fuel. So therefore it's like if we

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<v Speaker 1>had actually carried on using our infrastructure and some of

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<v Speaker 1>our natural resources. It's not that we're stuck in aspect.

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<v Speaker 1>We're not just stuck in time. This strikes me that

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<v Speaker 1>we've been burning wood as a fuel well for as

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<v Speaker 1>long as human beings have more or less been human beings,

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<v Speaker 1>and surely we've got a means now of lessening the

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<v Speaker 1>carstenergenic gases so we can catch them. I think it's

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<v Speaker 1>a great shame, and I'm sure all our forestry listeners

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<v Speaker 1>will be going yeah, but I do think that our

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<v Speaker 1>ability to burn wood has been sort of curtailed by

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<v Speaker 1>a bunch of people who probably wouldn't know how to

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<v Speaker 1>light a fire if you actually ask them to do it.

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<v Speaker 1>Guess what I'm doing tomorrow, callum, guess what I'm.

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<v Speaker 2>Doing lighting something on fire?

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<v Speaker 3>No, I'm not, hopefully not. No.

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<v Speaker 1>Actually, this is the one place you do not want

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<v Speaker 1>to light fire. Are going up on a thatched roof

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<v Speaker 1>with Chris Dodson, the thatcher. Yes, and also I'm going

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<v Speaker 1>up there with podcast guests. No, that was his brother,

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<v Speaker 1>That was his brother, twin brother. Yeah, Dr Reid's No,

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<v Speaker 1>that was that's Andy, his twin brother. This is Chris,

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<v Speaker 1>the actual thatcher. I'm going up on a roof with

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<v Speaker 1>it in Bedford Ship and a mate of mine called

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<v Speaker 1>Tom Barker who's an agronomist, and Anna Hill from BBC's

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<v Speaker 1>Farming today. So we are doing a piece up on

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<v Speaker 1>a roof about thatching straw, which we will talk about

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<v Speaker 1>more next week.

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<v Speaker 3>So it's because there's a bit.

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<v Speaker 2>Of a thatching who is who is this peaceful?

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<v Speaker 3>Well this is.

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<v Speaker 1>Actually for BBC Farming today for a thing. It will

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<v Speaker 1>be out on Friday, so I know, I know, well,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I don't like to go hide my legs

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<v Speaker 1>under a bushel. Actually, I've just orchestrated this because it's

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<v Speaker 1>something that I'm working on where we're trying to go

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<v Speaker 1>and address the thatching straw shortage to see if we

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, don't we just get all from China? That's my key,

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<v Speaker 2>take Calum ninety. Yeah, but then the tankers would come back.

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<v Speaker 2>Well actually know, I suppose they're all coming back with

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<v Speaker 2>cheap Chinese electronics. But they're bringing a bit of a

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<v Speaker 2>bit of thatch over with.

425
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<v Speaker 3>Them, a bit thatch over with them. You know, it's bonkers.

426
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<v Speaker 2>I can't remember the stat it was like ninety percent

427
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<v Speaker 2>of all thatch comes from comes from China, doesn't it.

428
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, that was what Andy was telling us about

429
00:25:36.720 --> 00:25:41.359
<v Speaker 1>the reed and so this is the long straw, thatching

430
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<v Speaker 1>straw and the ear. We're just not growing enough.

431
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<v Speaker 2>I think everybody should check that episode. It's one of

432
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<v Speaker 2>the really early episodes and you'll see it. It says thatching. Yeah,

433
00:25:53.920 --> 00:25:56.799
<v Speaker 2>the it was all that they all came from China.

434
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<v Speaker 2>Also that the I remember, the reed beds are used

435
00:26:01.359 --> 00:26:04.880
<v Speaker 2>to clean a lot of the water. They're fantastic filters

436
00:26:05.000 --> 00:26:08.759
<v Speaker 2>of polluted dirty water. So you've got stuff that's that's

437
00:26:08.799 --> 00:26:12.160
<v Speaker 2>really nasty, big old reed bed will clean a lot

438
00:26:12.200 --> 00:26:15.000
<v Speaker 2>of that pollution out and filter from the water, which

439
00:26:15.000 --> 00:26:17.960
<v Speaker 2>I thought's pretty good. There's also not that many other

440
00:26:18.039 --> 00:26:22.519
<v Speaker 2>people that are willing to or understand the safety and

441
00:26:23.039 --> 00:26:28.039
<v Speaker 2>practical sides of harvesting thatch, and not that many people

442
00:26:28.200 --> 00:26:33.599
<v Speaker 2>places growing it. Well, aren't beneficial to the beneficial for

443
00:26:33.640 --> 00:26:34.279
<v Speaker 2>the bed?

444
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<v Speaker 3>Yes, well this is very beneficial to the bitten.

445
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<v Speaker 1>So I've got a complete Dodson week this week. So

446
00:26:43.400 --> 00:26:47.680
<v Speaker 1>I'm going up on a roof with Chris on Wednesday,

447
00:26:48.599 --> 00:26:52.960
<v Speaker 1>and then on the Friday, I'm going out with his

448
00:26:53.079 --> 00:26:57.880
<v Speaker 1>twin brother Andy, and I'm going to wickan Fen which

449
00:26:57.960 --> 00:27:02.200
<v Speaker 1>is at Cambridge here, which is and we're going to

450
00:27:02.200 --> 00:27:06.720
<v Speaker 1>be looking at reed beds out there, and then a

451
00:27:06.759 --> 00:27:10.000
<v Speaker 1>lot of the stuff that we talked about, and then

452
00:27:10.279 --> 00:27:14.400
<v Speaker 1>I'm the following week We've got a big meeting about

453
00:27:14.720 --> 00:27:19.319
<v Speaker 1>thatching straw with our farm cluster on the Monday, and

454
00:27:19.359 --> 00:27:25.640
<v Speaker 1>then I'm talking with a fascinating expert on bittons, So

455
00:27:26.079 --> 00:27:30.839
<v Speaker 1>we're gonna basically look at how the manage or the

456
00:27:31.000 --> 00:27:34.799
<v Speaker 1>lack of management of reed beds and how that could

457
00:27:34.799 --> 00:27:38.200
<v Speaker 1>be should be done better. With Andy, then I'm talking

458
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<v Speaker 1>to this chap who has is the leading European expert

459
00:27:42.920 --> 00:27:46.440
<v Speaker 1>on bittons, who will be explaining as to if we

460
00:27:46.559 --> 00:27:53.880
<v Speaker 1>managed our reed beds better like we used to, that

461
00:27:54.039 --> 00:27:57.480
<v Speaker 1>the bitten would be in a better place. So I've

462
00:27:57.480 --> 00:28:02.119
<v Speaker 1>got a complete thatching slashsh week.

463
00:28:02.240 --> 00:28:03.160
<v Speaker 3>It's utterly bizarre.

464
00:28:03.359 --> 00:28:06.160
<v Speaker 1>So it's one of the things if you want to

465
00:28:06.200 --> 00:28:09.319
<v Speaker 1>go out and educate yourself in things that you are

466
00:28:09.319 --> 00:28:11.480
<v Speaker 1>fascinated by but you didn't really know a lot about,

467
00:28:11.559 --> 00:28:12.640
<v Speaker 1>and speak to proper.

468
00:28:12.359 --> 00:28:15.599
<v Speaker 3>Experts, write a book because.

469
00:28:15.480 --> 00:28:18.559
<v Speaker 1>You get to meet all these absolutely fascinating things and

470
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<v Speaker 1>it happens to be that this next week ten days,

471
00:28:22.319 --> 00:28:26.559
<v Speaker 1>I'm seeing some of the experts in thatching, both in

472
00:28:26.599 --> 00:28:32.160
<v Speaker 1>thatching straw and read thatching and all those environments there,

473
00:28:33.079 --> 00:28:41.000
<v Speaker 1>both environmentally, ecolologically and practically. I'm seeing some of the

474
00:28:41.200 --> 00:28:43.880
<v Speaker 1>biggest cheeses this next ten days. It's going to be

475
00:28:43.920 --> 00:28:48.240
<v Speaker 1>absolutely fascinating. So that's all very exciting.

476
00:28:48.839 --> 00:28:51.200
<v Speaker 2>I can't have ever seen a bitten or I can

477
00:28:51.640 --> 00:28:55.920
<v Speaker 2>remember seeing one. I know, don't they sound like a

478
00:28:56.000 --> 00:28:56.759
<v Speaker 2>water drop?

479
00:28:57.200 --> 00:29:00.119
<v Speaker 3>Boom boom boom.

480
00:29:00.519 --> 00:29:05.960
<v Speaker 1>They start very early actually doing the what's it called,

481
00:29:06.519 --> 00:29:09.680
<v Speaker 1>sort of territorial booming as it's called. And they have

482
00:29:09.759 --> 00:29:14.559
<v Speaker 1>quite a set list of this is what I need.

483
00:29:14.599 --> 00:29:17.640
<v Speaker 1>You know, they have a very large area in which

484
00:29:17.720 --> 00:29:22.960
<v Speaker 1>they need. They have a very large sort of set

485
00:29:23.000 --> 00:29:26.440
<v Speaker 1>of requirements, long set of requirements. They need deep water

486
00:29:26.519 --> 00:29:30.000
<v Speaker 1>where they can fish. They need some of the areas

487
00:29:30.000 --> 00:29:34.000
<v Speaker 1>which are well covered in certain sort of different reads

488
00:29:34.400 --> 00:29:37.119
<v Speaker 1>that they prefer. They need some bits which are then

489
00:29:37.319 --> 00:29:41.240
<v Speaker 1>cut and or lower, and so there's all this set

490
00:29:41.480 --> 00:29:46.359
<v Speaker 1>list of criteria, and that perhaps leads us in a

491
00:29:46.480 --> 00:29:49.920
<v Speaker 1>sort of semi professional link into what we wanted to

492
00:29:49.960 --> 00:29:55.279
<v Speaker 1>talk about today, which was about the releases of the

493
00:29:55.599 --> 00:30:00.039
<v Speaker 1>governments announced of these charismatic species, and it's some the

494
00:30:00.119 --> 00:30:04.000
<v Speaker 1>thing that strikes me, you know, the white tailed eagles

495
00:30:04.039 --> 00:30:07.359
<v Speaker 1>and the golden eagles, amongst other things, but it's one

496
00:30:07.359 --> 00:30:10.200
<v Speaker 1>of the things that strikes me is that when you've

497
00:30:10.200 --> 00:30:14.440
<v Speaker 1>got a bird like the bitten, which had nearly gone

498
00:30:14.480 --> 00:30:20.880
<v Speaker 1>extinct in this country, but with some careful habitat management,

499
00:30:22.599 --> 00:30:28.319
<v Speaker 1>they do suffer predation certainly, and when their habitats become smaller,

500
00:30:28.359 --> 00:30:32.200
<v Speaker 1>they are they're more easily predated. But they also depend

501
00:30:32.279 --> 00:30:35.480
<v Speaker 1>upon clean water because you need to have plenty of

502
00:30:35.519 --> 00:30:39.480
<v Speaker 1>little fish and amphibians.

503
00:30:38.519 --> 00:30:41.759
<v Speaker 3>And water mammals for them to eat.

504
00:30:42.039 --> 00:30:45.319
<v Speaker 1>So there's a setlist of criteria that you can bring

505
00:30:45.359 --> 00:30:48.079
<v Speaker 1>them back from the brink a bit like we're doing

506
00:30:48.119 --> 00:30:52.680
<v Speaker 1>with a turtle dove. And it's something that strikes me personally,

507
00:30:52.920 --> 00:30:55.720
<v Speaker 1>and i'd like your opinion on this calm is that

508
00:30:56.079 --> 00:31:03.200
<v Speaker 1>when governments, obviously being lent on by some environmentalist groups,

509
00:31:04.039 --> 00:31:11.440
<v Speaker 1>are spending huge amounts of money on reintroducing either extinct species,

510
00:31:12.319 --> 00:31:16.720
<v Speaker 1>sometimes long extinct species, or some of these amazing charismatic

511
00:31:16.799 --> 00:31:19.799
<v Speaker 1>birds the eagle, golden eagle, and the white and the

512
00:31:19.799 --> 00:31:23.400
<v Speaker 1>white tailed eagle, you start thinking, well, why don't you,

513
00:31:23.519 --> 00:31:27.400
<v Speaker 1>first of all, focus on things like the bitten or

514
00:31:27.680 --> 00:31:31.400
<v Speaker 1>the yellow hammer, or the corn bunting, these you know,

515
00:31:31.440 --> 00:31:37.160
<v Speaker 1>the turtle dove, these species which have You know, we

516
00:31:37.319 --> 00:31:39.640
<v Speaker 1>know how to bring them back from the brink, and

517
00:31:39.680 --> 00:31:44.480
<v Speaker 1>it requires some thought, effort, some time, and invariably some money.

518
00:31:46.119 --> 00:31:47.400
<v Speaker 3>But you think, why aren't we.

519
00:31:47.400 --> 00:31:51.079
<v Speaker 1>Focusing on that rather than fannying about with reintroducing things

520
00:31:51.119 --> 00:31:54.920
<v Speaker 1>which haven't been here for sometimes centuries. I mean, what

521
00:31:54.960 --> 00:31:58.240
<v Speaker 1>do you think about these reintroductions?

522
00:31:59.319 --> 00:32:03.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean some of them. I always think about

523
00:32:03.720 --> 00:32:06.200
<v Speaker 2>the one when I went to France we could see

524
00:32:06.200 --> 00:32:11.880
<v Speaker 2>the griffin vulture. I think it was like nineteen ninety,

525
00:32:12.880 --> 00:32:15.960
<v Speaker 2>that might have been early two thousands. They took the

526
00:32:16.000 --> 00:32:19.680
<v Speaker 2>griffin vulture hadn't existed for a long long time, and

527
00:32:19.720 --> 00:32:23.039
<v Speaker 2>they brought it back. They got some from Russia and

528
00:32:23.079 --> 00:32:28.920
<v Speaker 2>they reintroduced them. Now there's absolutely loads of these griffin cultures.

529
00:32:29.079 --> 00:32:35.680
<v Speaker 2>So they're cool to look at, and no doubt the

530
00:32:35.720 --> 00:32:41.079
<v Speaker 2>people of France have got animals that are endangered or

531
00:32:41.240 --> 00:32:44.680
<v Speaker 2>the habitat's declining or whatever it was, but they've done

532
00:32:44.720 --> 00:32:47.079
<v Speaker 2>really well, so I think it can work and there

533
00:32:47.119 --> 00:32:50.480
<v Speaker 2>is a place for all of them in the It

534
00:32:50.519 --> 00:32:52.720
<v Speaker 2>sounds like a very weird socialist thing to say there's

535
00:32:52.720 --> 00:32:54.839
<v Speaker 2>a place for all of them. They've just misunderstood they

536
00:32:54.839 --> 00:32:58.400
<v Speaker 2>all need a hug, but there is a place for

537
00:32:58.440 --> 00:33:01.400
<v Speaker 2>all of them. But yeah, I agree. So some of

538
00:33:01.440 --> 00:33:03.839
<v Speaker 2>it's just a bit of a pr exercise, isn't it.

539
00:33:03.839 --> 00:33:09.680
<v Speaker 2>It's like, what, what's the public gonna Is that a problem?

540
00:33:10.039 --> 00:33:14.279
<v Speaker 2>I mean, if you're going to capture some random person

541
00:33:14.480 --> 00:33:19.319
<v Speaker 2>coming out of a zoo and they think, I've got

542
00:33:19.440 --> 00:33:21.680
<v Speaker 2>twenty quid, I'll put it in a donation box, and

543
00:33:21.720 --> 00:33:25.880
<v Speaker 2>they want to fund some kind of reintroduction of whatever

544
00:33:26.039 --> 00:33:29.119
<v Speaker 2>charismatic animal it is, and you're going to prize twenty

545
00:33:29.200 --> 00:33:33.640
<v Speaker 2>quid from there already bleeding wallet after they've exited a

546
00:33:33.720 --> 00:33:36.240
<v Speaker 2>zoo or a wildlife park or some one of those

547
00:33:36.279 --> 00:33:40.400
<v Speaker 2>things and spent fifty quid on ice cream, not on

548
00:33:40.519 --> 00:33:43.279
<v Speaker 2>bitter though. Now I have children, that's what that costs me.

549
00:33:44.200 --> 00:33:47.960
<v Speaker 2>I appreciate I descended quite quickly into an old man

550
00:33:48.039 --> 00:33:51.119
<v Speaker 2>rant there. But if you're going to get some money

551
00:33:51.119 --> 00:33:54.440
<v Speaker 2>from the public for these things, it needs to be

552
00:33:54.519 --> 00:33:57.640
<v Speaker 2>something quite exciting. You wouldn't say like, oh, we need to,

553
00:33:58.720 --> 00:34:01.119
<v Speaker 2>you know, bring back the pidgeon or something, and people

554
00:34:01.119 --> 00:34:01.400
<v Speaker 2>will be.

555
00:34:01.480 --> 00:34:02.759
<v Speaker 3>Oh, yeah, yeah.

556
00:34:03.720 --> 00:34:05.440
<v Speaker 2>But if you say we're going to bring a beaver

557
00:34:05.640 --> 00:34:09.719
<v Speaker 2>to I don't know, we're going to bring the bustard

558
00:34:09.800 --> 00:34:13.480
<v Speaker 2>back to Toulsbury playing or something, Everyone's like, yeah, that

559
00:34:13.599 --> 00:34:15.519
<v Speaker 2>sounds like a great idea. Look at the size of

560
00:34:15.559 --> 00:34:18.239
<v Speaker 2>these things, and people engage in it. They enjoy it,

561
00:34:18.280 --> 00:34:18.599
<v Speaker 2>don't they.

562
00:34:19.480 --> 00:34:20.000
<v Speaker 3>Exactly.

563
00:34:20.119 --> 00:34:22.639
<v Speaker 1>I suppose that's you. You said, I've never seen bitten.

564
00:34:23.480 --> 00:34:26.280
<v Speaker 1>And that's the problem in it is that you know,

565
00:34:26.400 --> 00:34:31.159
<v Speaker 1>if the general public are going to say, okay, taxpayers

566
00:34:31.280 --> 00:34:36.440
<v Speaker 1>money is going to be spent on a species and

567
00:34:36.480 --> 00:34:41.119
<v Speaker 1>it's something as secretive as a bitten. And from what

568
00:34:41.199 --> 00:34:45.199
<v Speaker 1>I understand is that a lot of what bittons need

569
00:34:45.800 --> 00:34:48.920
<v Speaker 1>is that they need a to be left alone and

570
00:34:48.960 --> 00:34:54.119
<v Speaker 1>they and they. Secondly, they need to have their reedy,

571
00:34:54.440 --> 00:35:00.280
<v Speaker 1>watery habitat enlarged. The anymore, we've drained a lot of

572
00:35:00.280 --> 00:35:03.639
<v Speaker 1>of reed beds out and we've turned it into agricultural land,

573
00:35:04.719 --> 00:35:09.400
<v Speaker 1>and we no longer manage reed beds in rotational ways.

574
00:35:09.440 --> 00:35:12.800
<v Speaker 1>So therefore what we do have isn't working very well

575
00:35:12.840 --> 00:35:17.920
<v Speaker 1>for them. So therefore all the things that the general

576
00:35:17.960 --> 00:35:20.920
<v Speaker 1>public so reads where you're not going to walk through.

577
00:35:20.840 --> 00:35:21.320
<v Speaker 3>A reed bed.

578
00:35:21.400 --> 00:35:24.840
<v Speaker 1>Let's be perfectly honest, because it's scary. It will cut

579
00:35:24.880 --> 00:35:27.920
<v Speaker 1>you and you might then go and suddenly treading a

580
00:35:27.960 --> 00:35:29.920
<v Speaker 1>bit where you think is solid land and you're actually

581
00:35:29.960 --> 00:35:32.760
<v Speaker 1>up to your neck in water and you die. So

582
00:35:32.840 --> 00:35:35.039
<v Speaker 1>therefore the poor old bit and can't be seen, so

583
00:35:35.079 --> 00:35:37.800
<v Speaker 1>therefore people don't care about him. But like you say,

584
00:35:37.920 --> 00:35:42.239
<v Speaker 1>a white tailed eagle for example, I mean you can't

585
00:35:42.280 --> 00:35:45.519
<v Speaker 1>miss them. We had one land here a couple of

586
00:35:45.599 --> 00:35:48.840
<v Speaker 1>seasons ago, and it came up on the on the

587
00:35:48.880 --> 00:35:53.840
<v Speaker 1>Farm Watch WhatsApp group, and it was a tractor driver

588
00:35:53.920 --> 00:35:56.719
<v Speaker 1>down at Walsham of the Willows, and he said, if

589
00:35:56.760 --> 00:35:59.960
<v Speaker 1>any falconers lost a bird, he said, there's a black,

590
00:36:00.239 --> 00:36:03.719
<v Speaker 1>great big one, and and he sent the photograph through

591
00:36:03.960 --> 00:36:06.079
<v Speaker 1>and it did look like that it was owned by

592
00:36:06.079 --> 00:36:08.239
<v Speaker 1>a faulkner because it had this bloody, great big thing

593
00:36:08.280 --> 00:36:11.199
<v Speaker 1>all around his leg and whatnot, which actually turned out

594
00:36:11.199 --> 00:36:12.079
<v Speaker 1>to be a tracker.

595
00:36:13.239 --> 00:36:14.679
<v Speaker 3>Tracker yeah.

596
00:36:14.719 --> 00:36:16.880
<v Speaker 1>And he then got out and he went up to

597
00:36:16.920 --> 00:36:19.400
<v Speaker 1>it and this thing was sort of semi tame and

598
00:36:19.480 --> 00:36:22.000
<v Speaker 1>sort of hopped up to him, then hopped away and

599
00:36:22.559 --> 00:36:23.159
<v Speaker 1>it sort.

600
00:36:22.960 --> 00:36:23.480
<v Speaker 3>Of stood there.

601
00:36:23.480 --> 00:36:27.800
<v Speaker 1>He said, we said real time on this WhatsApp group

602
00:36:27.920 --> 00:36:33.199
<v Speaker 1>saying he's a big bastard, and they taking photographs of

603
00:36:33.280 --> 00:36:35.679
<v Speaker 1>him again and again and again, and it turned out

604
00:36:35.719 --> 00:36:38.400
<v Speaker 1>that this was one of the youngsters that was released

605
00:36:38.559 --> 00:36:42.360
<v Speaker 1>in Holland and he had come over to here and

606
00:36:42.400 --> 00:36:43.960
<v Speaker 1>then got a bit tired, and I didn't think he

607
00:36:44.000 --> 00:36:46.639
<v Speaker 1>was very well. I think he got bird flu, to

608
00:36:46.679 --> 00:36:50.400
<v Speaker 1>be perfectly honest, and probably died. But anyway, it's one

609
00:36:50.400 --> 00:36:52.639
<v Speaker 1>of those things that you can't miss it because they're

610
00:36:52.800 --> 00:36:55.679
<v Speaker 1>socking great big creatures.

611
00:36:55.199 --> 00:37:00.320
<v Speaker 2>That looked like it the Essex last month right, that

612
00:37:00.440 --> 00:37:04.440
<v Speaker 2>were spotted over Abbotton Reservoir, I think, okay, And then

613
00:37:05.320 --> 00:37:09.679
<v Speaker 2>this week it's followed my trajectory and went to Norfolk,

614
00:37:09.800 --> 00:37:13.760
<v Speaker 2>so you know, yeah, look, maybe maybe it knows where

615
00:37:13.760 --> 00:37:15.000
<v Speaker 2>I am. He just wants to find me.

616
00:37:16.360 --> 00:37:19.039
<v Speaker 1>It's it's well, it's it's what you when you're a

617
00:37:19.039 --> 00:37:21.039
<v Speaker 1>bit like thought, you know, I can just see a

618
00:37:21.119 --> 00:37:23.360
<v Speaker 1>bit like they're sort of there with a mighty.

619
00:37:23.360 --> 00:37:25.079
<v Speaker 3>White tailed eagle on your arm.

620
00:37:25.280 --> 00:37:27.800
<v Speaker 1>But it's one of them funny old things is that

621
00:37:27.840 --> 00:37:33.599
<v Speaker 1>the government has put sixty million pounds aside from twenty

622
00:37:33.639 --> 00:37:40.480
<v Speaker 1>six to twenty nine to reintroduce species, and they certainly

623
00:37:40.480 --> 00:37:42.639
<v Speaker 1>are going to go and do the beaver because the

624
00:37:43.360 --> 00:37:50.159
<v Speaker 1>beaver obsessives have got hugely excited to be obsessives. They are,

625
00:37:50.400 --> 00:37:54.800
<v Speaker 1>I mean, oh, these are great manipulators of landscapes that

626
00:37:54.880 --> 00:37:59.679
<v Speaker 1>will go and sort of miraculously make all our rivers.

627
00:38:00.880 --> 00:38:03.840
<v Speaker 3>Again. And they won't. They won't because that's we know,

628
00:38:03.880 --> 00:38:04.480
<v Speaker 3>that's bollocks.

629
00:38:04.480 --> 00:38:07.199
<v Speaker 1>They may may do some better stuff in some places,

630
00:38:07.599 --> 00:38:08.679
<v Speaker 1>but we also know.

631
00:38:08.880 --> 00:38:15.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so spans tall one. Yes, it was a tiny,

632
00:38:15.599 --> 00:38:19.480
<v Speaker 2>tiny little creek, and they did turn it into a

633
00:38:19.519 --> 00:38:25.320
<v Speaker 2>habitat of wet woodland, which is good for certain things.

634
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<v Speaker 3>Things like a woodcock will go quite like this. Yeah,

635
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<v Speaker 3>so it would do.

636
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<v Speaker 2>But you know, I get that they've changed. They changed

637
00:38:34.599 --> 00:38:38.440
<v Speaker 2>something that was really it was just a little creek.

638
00:38:38.679 --> 00:38:43.400
<v Speaker 2>It's not really anything for anyone a bit of water source.

639
00:38:43.480 --> 00:38:47.679
<v Speaker 2>But but generally what the beavers did was much better.

640
00:38:48.199 --> 00:38:52.159
<v Speaker 2>But we know from the talk of the man from

641
00:38:52.320 --> 00:38:58.000
<v Speaker 2>Wild Trout Trust that actually those those still parts of

642
00:38:58.599 --> 00:39:04.480
<v Speaker 2>water aren't very good, very awful for you know, oxygenating

643
00:39:04.519 --> 00:39:08.079
<v Speaker 2>the water. You really want you want water to flow,

644
00:39:08.519 --> 00:39:11.880
<v Speaker 2>you want it to filter, You want it to come

645
00:39:11.920 --> 00:39:14.840
<v Speaker 2>down from a place and go to wherever it's going

646
00:39:15.079 --> 00:39:21.280
<v Speaker 2>and get filtered through gravel or chalk or wherever it

647
00:39:21.320 --> 00:39:25.440
<v Speaker 2>needs to go, So you don't really want large areas

648
00:39:25.480 --> 00:39:29.559
<v Speaker 2>of stagnated water to be hanging around. I appreciate it

649
00:39:29.599 --> 00:39:33.199
<v Speaker 2>creates a different habitat for different places, but you do

650
00:39:33.320 --> 00:39:37.960
<v Speaker 2>have to be careful with introducing such species to different.

651
00:39:37.880 --> 00:39:41.119
<v Speaker 1>I think we have to be very careful. And I

652
00:39:41.159 --> 00:39:44.599
<v Speaker 1>also think that what we have to be extremely careful

653
00:39:44.599 --> 00:39:53.159
<v Speaker 1>in is with these species getting reintroduced. Claiming that they

654
00:39:53.199 --> 00:39:56.440
<v Speaker 1>are literally the panacea, they are the cure or for everything,

655
00:39:57.239 --> 00:40:01.559
<v Speaker 1>is setting the poor creature up to fail. So I mean,

656
00:40:01.639 --> 00:40:05.360
<v Speaker 1>you know, let's use the beaver poor things. Is that

657
00:40:05.519 --> 00:40:08.480
<v Speaker 1>saying that they are the cure all for our water

658
00:40:08.599 --> 00:40:11.639
<v Speaker 1>systems is clearly a nonsense. You go and speak to

659
00:40:12.079 --> 00:40:16.000
<v Speaker 1>anyone who is a gilly on the River Tay, for example,

660
00:40:16.360 --> 00:40:20.719
<v Speaker 1>where some lunatic who will remain nameless, decided to go

661
00:40:20.760 --> 00:40:25.920
<v Speaker 1>and release beavers off his own back, and huge numbers

662
00:40:25.920 --> 00:40:28.800
<v Speaker 1>of the little tributaries where both the sea trout and

663
00:40:28.840 --> 00:40:33.400
<v Speaker 1>the salmon were spawning the reds there they now have

664
00:40:33.519 --> 00:40:36.320
<v Speaker 1>been turned into exactly you said, this stagnant thing where

665
00:40:36.800 --> 00:40:41.519
<v Speaker 1>the fish can't migrate up there, you know, so therefore

666
00:40:41.519 --> 00:40:43.760
<v Speaker 1>well done. So you've released the beaver. It's done some

667
00:40:43.800 --> 00:40:47.679
<v Speaker 1>great things. But you that the Atlantic salmon, which was

668
00:40:47.760 --> 00:40:50.119
<v Speaker 1>under great threat anyway, his name more threatened because you

669
00:40:50.199 --> 00:40:51.199
<v Speaker 1>put that specie in there.

670
00:40:51.360 --> 00:40:56.639
<v Speaker 2>One if you spoke to a beaver enthusiast, which sounds

671
00:40:56.639 --> 00:41:02.599
<v Speaker 2>like a cool gentitle, oh that in my tomb stone.

672
00:41:02.199 --> 00:41:05.840
<v Speaker 2>I wonder if you said, oh, we're planning on building

673
00:41:06.400 --> 00:41:10.119
<v Speaker 2>a lock in this in this lovely river that runs

674
00:41:10.159 --> 00:41:12.719
<v Speaker 2>down somewhere, We're going to build a great big lock there,

675
00:41:13.920 --> 00:41:18.599
<v Speaker 2>and you know some boats can get through. They'd probably go,

676
00:41:18.800 --> 00:41:21.280
<v Speaker 2>that's a stupid idea. Why would you do that? That's

677
00:41:21.320 --> 00:41:23.639
<v Speaker 2>going to destroy this environment. But if you say, oh,

678
00:41:23.760 --> 00:41:26.480
<v Speaker 2>let's release a beaver which is effectively going to dam

679
00:41:26.559 --> 00:41:30.440
<v Speaker 2>up the river and do the same thing. One one

680
00:41:30.840 --> 00:41:34.480
<v Speaker 2>just has this pretty wrapper of you know, cute little animal,

681
00:41:34.639 --> 00:41:36.920
<v Speaker 2>and then the other is a man made thing. But

682
00:41:37.000 --> 00:41:40.239
<v Speaker 2>the result is the same. It stops the water flow.

683
00:41:40.280 --> 00:41:43.239
<v Speaker 2>And it's not that good. But some I will say,

684
00:41:43.679 --> 00:41:48.000
<v Speaker 2>some places, if the water is going to run slowly anyway,

685
00:41:48.320 --> 00:41:50.880
<v Speaker 2>and sometimes it dries up and sometimes it doesn't, and

686
00:41:50.920 --> 00:41:54.239
<v Speaker 2>it's not presenting much of a habitat for just about anything,

687
00:41:54.800 --> 00:41:56.920
<v Speaker 2>then sure beaver it up.

688
00:41:57.559 --> 00:41:57.800
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

689
00:41:57.880 --> 00:42:00.920
<v Speaker 1>I mean when it comes to things like the big

690
00:42:01.079 --> 00:42:03.480
<v Speaker 1>the eagle, So the golden and white tailed eagle.

691
00:42:04.199 --> 00:42:06.880
<v Speaker 2>What what's the other? What's the other? The reintroductions?

692
00:42:07.480 --> 00:42:13.320
<v Speaker 1>Oh well, this is one is a snail that I'll

693
00:42:13.360 --> 00:42:20.559
<v Speaker 1>be perfectly honest, I've never even heard of. It's utterly bizarre.

694
00:42:20.599 --> 00:42:24.239
<v Speaker 1>What's it bloody called? It's some sort of weird thing.

695
00:42:26.199 --> 00:42:27.800
<v Speaker 2>Have you ever found a Roman snail?

696
00:42:28.320 --> 00:42:30.440
<v Speaker 3>Yeah? That we have a lot of big old things.

697
00:42:31.400 --> 00:42:35.360
<v Speaker 2>Apparently they can because they're a rare, a rare jobby.

698
00:42:35.440 --> 00:42:41.320
<v Speaker 2>They can hold up building projects until they're they're real. Yeah,

699
00:42:41.559 --> 00:42:44.280
<v Speaker 2>what do they call them? A burgundy snail or something?

700
00:42:45.239 --> 00:42:48.559
<v Speaker 3>That's him that rings a bell?

701
00:42:49.239 --> 00:42:52.960
<v Speaker 2>They absolutely you'll know if you see one, because they're

702
00:42:53.079 --> 00:42:55.519
<v Speaker 2>like five times the size of what you'd expect a

703
00:42:55.559 --> 00:42:56.519
<v Speaker 2>snail to look like.

704
00:42:56.800 --> 00:43:00.719
<v Speaker 1>A glutenous snail is the one that that the government

705
00:43:00.920 --> 00:43:06.519
<v Speaker 1>is is talking about reintroducing glutenous snails.

706
00:43:06.800 --> 00:43:08.559
<v Speaker 3>You ever come across them? Don't know?

707
00:43:09.039 --> 00:43:14.880
<v Speaker 1>Is it got big bum got this big glute, gluteous.

708
00:43:15.920 --> 00:43:24.400
<v Speaker 4>Big as big aster actually out snail? Yeah, they but

709
00:43:24.639 --> 00:43:27.039
<v Speaker 4>it's okay, it's.

710
00:43:26.880 --> 00:43:32.000
<v Speaker 2>A critically dangered snail. It's a water snail.

711
00:43:32.480 --> 00:43:37.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so I mean it's curious that there that they're

712
00:43:37.880 --> 00:43:40.639
<v Speaker 1>focusing on this glutenous snail water.

713
00:43:41.519 --> 00:43:44.159
<v Speaker 2>That sounds quite good. That if they get loads of those,

714
00:43:44.280 --> 00:43:47.400
<v Speaker 2>I should imagine carp will get significantly bigger, and maybe

715
00:43:47.400 --> 00:43:49.119
<v Speaker 2>it gives the chubs something to eat.

716
00:43:49.719 --> 00:43:52.199
<v Speaker 3>Oh, I mean, that's it's good.

717
00:43:52.719 --> 00:43:55.840
<v Speaker 1>But you start thinking, well, before you start doing this

718
00:43:56.039 --> 00:44:00.960
<v Speaker 1>species reintroduction of glutenous snail, because we haven't got them,

719
00:44:01.199 --> 00:44:03.320
<v Speaker 1>do you not think it might be a better idea

720
00:44:03.360 --> 00:44:06.440
<v Speaker 1>to clean up the shitty water that we've gone and

721
00:44:06.480 --> 00:44:09.639
<v Speaker 1>the fact that our you know that our water companies

722
00:44:09.920 --> 00:44:15.000
<v Speaker 1>are churning out shit into our water systems. So therefore

723
00:44:15.519 --> 00:44:19.760
<v Speaker 1>the glutenous snail is not exactly number one priority. The

724
00:44:19.840 --> 00:44:24.119
<v Speaker 1>number one priority would be the absolute stuff of life.

725
00:44:24.280 --> 00:44:26.440
<v Speaker 3>Water. Now, that would make sense to me.

726
00:44:27.960 --> 00:44:33.719
<v Speaker 2>So let's if you were to score. So if these

727
00:44:33.840 --> 00:44:37.719
<v Speaker 2>if these things have become endangered, bear in mind thirty

728
00:44:37.800 --> 00:44:42.079
<v Speaker 2>years ago. Well, I'll go back to I'll go back

729
00:44:42.119 --> 00:44:45.639
<v Speaker 2>to a moment about twenty years ago when I sat

730
00:44:45.679 --> 00:44:51.559
<v Speaker 2>on an oak log. I spent between eight am and

731
00:44:51.760 --> 00:44:57.039
<v Speaker 2>about eleven am fishing, and I called ten separate species

732
00:44:57.159 --> 00:45:01.880
<v Speaker 2>of fish. Yeah, just out side harlow meal fishing with

733
00:45:01.960 --> 00:45:05.719
<v Speaker 2>float and some maggots a great couple of hours. We

734
00:45:05.800 --> 00:45:08.800
<v Speaker 2>had gudgeon, we had roach, we had days. They basically

735
00:45:08.840 --> 00:45:10.559
<v Speaker 2>don't exist there anymore.

736
00:45:11.000 --> 00:45:11.599
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so.

737
00:45:14.199 --> 00:45:18.679
<v Speaker 2>That's like ten years difference that we had fish in there.

738
00:45:19.159 --> 00:45:21.559
<v Speaker 2>Now we barely have any fish in there. Like I've

739
00:45:21.559 --> 00:45:24.519
<v Speaker 2>gone back and fished it in recent years with maggots

740
00:45:24.559 --> 00:45:28.280
<v Speaker 2>and I couldn't buy a bite. Conditions could be different

741
00:45:28.440 --> 00:45:33.960
<v Speaker 2>that lots of things change, but the general, the general

742
00:45:34.000 --> 00:45:37.239
<v Speaker 2>thing is there isn't anywhere near that amount of fish.

743
00:45:37.320 --> 00:45:41.159
<v Speaker 2>To replicate what I did on a very average afternoon

744
00:45:42.159 --> 00:45:46.760
<v Speaker 2>would probably be impossible these days. I mean, even if

745
00:45:46.800 --> 00:45:49.440
<v Speaker 2>you timed the conditions perfectly, to catch ten fish into

746
00:45:49.719 --> 00:45:51.559
<v Speaker 2>ten species of fish in like a couple of hours

747
00:45:51.679 --> 00:45:56.360
<v Speaker 2>is going to be impossible. So you think that that's

748
00:45:57.519 --> 00:46:01.880
<v Speaker 2>that was ten years ago, and it's got significantly harder

749
00:46:02.000 --> 00:46:05.199
<v Speaker 2>for the species you'd expect to be there. So twenty

750
00:46:05.280 --> 00:46:08.840
<v Speaker 2>years ago it wasn't that hard. This species of water

751
00:46:08.920 --> 00:46:13.280
<v Speaker 2>snail didn't exist there before, and ten years prior to that,

752
00:46:13.320 --> 00:46:15.159
<v Speaker 2>when it was probably really easy and there was lots

753
00:46:15.159 --> 00:46:18.719
<v Speaker 2>of fish in the river also didn't exist. What chance

754
00:46:19.199 --> 00:46:23.199
<v Speaker 2>of a species that really struggled to exist thirty years ago,

755
00:46:23.280 --> 00:46:26.519
<v Speaker 2>forty years ago, fifty years ago, have got in a

756
00:46:26.599 --> 00:46:30.400
<v Speaker 2>river where even the fish that should be there don't exist.

757
00:46:30.599 --> 00:46:31.599
<v Speaker 3>So like the.

758
00:46:33.039 --> 00:46:37.639
<v Speaker 2>If you look at you're in marketing in ads, you

759
00:46:37.719 --> 00:46:40.559
<v Speaker 2>talk about your return on investment or your return on

760
00:46:40.639 --> 00:46:45.159
<v Speaker 2>ad spend. If your investment is you want the net

761
00:46:45.199 --> 00:46:49.679
<v Speaker 2>gain is to have the result is actually the presence

762
00:46:49.719 --> 00:46:53.199
<v Speaker 2>of these animals, fish, whatever it is. Go for the

763
00:46:53.199 --> 00:46:58.840
<v Speaker 2>ones that are really easy, like the easy things. Also

764
00:46:59.480 --> 00:47:01.079
<v Speaker 2>one of the things they do in marketing as well,

765
00:47:01.199 --> 00:47:04.840
<v Speaker 2>Like if you get people want to advise clients for

766
00:47:05.159 --> 00:47:09.280
<v Speaker 2>marketing things, they're like, oh, we're doing really well on Facebook,

767
00:47:09.440 --> 00:47:12.800
<v Speaker 2>and now we're trying to do we want to grow

768
00:47:12.840 --> 00:47:15.239
<v Speaker 2>into TikTok ads, or we want to do this, or

769
00:47:15.280 --> 00:47:17.719
<v Speaker 2>we want to do that. You're like, well, if you're

770
00:47:17.760 --> 00:47:21.840
<v Speaker 2>doing well in one place, double down on the place

771
00:47:21.880 --> 00:47:25.119
<v Speaker 2>you're doing well, you're making profit. Right, double down on

772
00:47:25.199 --> 00:47:27.840
<v Speaker 2>the place you're making profit because you can get more

773
00:47:27.880 --> 00:47:30.000
<v Speaker 2>of that. You know it's there. You don't need to

774
00:47:30.039 --> 00:47:32.639
<v Speaker 2>piss around, don't need to go sinking new and shiny

775
00:47:33.119 --> 00:47:36.760
<v Speaker 2>if you want to, if you know that. Stopping water

776
00:47:36.840 --> 00:47:41.400
<v Speaker 2>companies polluting the river leaving it for a period of

777
00:47:41.440 --> 00:47:46.039
<v Speaker 2>time restocking fish or just repairing the habitat or increasing

778
00:47:46.079 --> 00:47:49.880
<v Speaker 2>water flow works. Do that because that is a really

779
00:47:49.880 --> 00:47:55.719
<v Speaker 2>good use of money. Don't spend, I don't know, spend

780
00:47:55.760 --> 00:47:58.639
<v Speaker 2>money on charismatic things that are set to fail and

781
00:47:58.679 --> 00:48:04.719
<v Speaker 2>have already already likely to Yes, they've.

782
00:48:04.519 --> 00:48:09.199
<v Speaker 1>Already shown you that they don't like human beings and.

783
00:48:09.079 --> 00:48:12.519
<v Speaker 3>The stuff that are byproducts. So therefore now.

784
00:48:12.440 --> 00:48:14.119
<v Speaker 2>They're doing it on hard mode.

785
00:48:14.480 --> 00:48:19.280
<v Speaker 1>I know it does seem utterly oxymoronic to me, and

786
00:48:19.320 --> 00:48:22.519
<v Speaker 1>so I think, let's think why they're doing it.

787
00:48:22.760 --> 00:48:24.480
<v Speaker 3>Okay, let's get on the positive side.

788
00:48:25.079 --> 00:48:29.039
<v Speaker 1>It might be because they have been lent on by

789
00:48:29.079 --> 00:48:33.159
<v Speaker 1>some people at Natural England who seem to be under.

790
00:48:32.920 --> 00:48:36.079
<v Speaker 3>This delusion that if you just sort of put.

791
00:48:35.880 --> 00:48:39.880
<v Speaker 1>Some charismatic stuff about, then everything will be wonderful.

792
00:48:39.920 --> 00:48:41.360
<v Speaker 3>Because they start sort of talking.

793
00:48:41.119 --> 00:48:45.840
<v Speaker 1>About trophic cascade and all this old crap. I should

794
00:48:45.840 --> 00:48:47.920
<v Speaker 1>imagine a lot of it is they've been lent on

795
00:48:48.079 --> 00:48:53.960
<v Speaker 1>by people who have got pr spend. So therefore you

796
00:48:54.000 --> 00:48:56.639
<v Speaker 1>will have had some of these the various sort of

797
00:48:56.679 --> 00:48:59.679
<v Speaker 1>the Linx project and the Beaver project and all these

798
00:48:59.679 --> 00:49:03.679
<v Speaker 1>people who and they have sort of said that basically

799
00:49:03.760 --> 00:49:06.239
<v Speaker 1>the beaver can do everything from sort of cleaning our

800
00:49:06.320 --> 00:49:09.440
<v Speaker 1>rivers to cure cancer. And I would think that the

801
00:49:09.480 --> 00:49:12.239
<v Speaker 1>third thing is that we've got a government who realizes

802
00:49:12.320 --> 00:49:14.599
<v Speaker 1>it could be giving away gold bars at the moment,

803
00:49:14.639 --> 00:49:17.480
<v Speaker 1>everyone would still hate it with every fiber of their being.

804
00:49:17.920 --> 00:49:22.840
<v Speaker 1>So they're flailing about trying to find something that may

805
00:49:23.000 --> 00:49:26.800
<v Speaker 1>actually prove popular. And so they thought, let's get some

806
00:49:26.960 --> 00:49:33.440
<v Speaker 1>charismatic things, but will throw in the glutenous snail in

807
00:49:33.559 --> 00:49:36.199
<v Speaker 1>for good measure. Because of that, a glutenous snail is

808
00:49:36.239 --> 00:49:39.639
<v Speaker 1>quite cheap to get. Yeah, yeah, we've got some, and yeah,

809
00:49:39.639 --> 00:49:41.719
<v Speaker 1>they'll throw them in there and the glutenus snail will.

810
00:49:41.519 --> 00:49:42.679
<v Speaker 3>Die out yet again.

811
00:49:43.239 --> 00:49:46.639
<v Speaker 1>And because the rivers are just minging, but it's too

812
00:49:46.679 --> 00:49:50.559
<v Speaker 1>expensive and too challenging and too difficult to go and

813
00:49:50.599 --> 00:49:51.840
<v Speaker 1>actually repair the rivers.

814
00:49:52.039 --> 00:49:53.000
<v Speaker 3>So there we go.

815
00:49:53.199 --> 00:49:57.880
<v Speaker 1>Yes, so we have now found yet another government project,

816
00:49:57.960 --> 00:50:00.519
<v Speaker 1>which although maybe in.

817
00:50:00.480 --> 00:50:02.480
<v Speaker 2>If we say we weren't going for politics, I think

818
00:50:02.480 --> 00:50:03.519
<v Speaker 2>we did, but here we are.

819
00:50:04.079 --> 00:50:04.320
<v Speaker 3>Wow.

820
00:50:04.559 --> 00:50:08.800
<v Speaker 2>Always, what's that rule like that that you can't have

821
00:50:08.840 --> 00:50:13.519
<v Speaker 2>an argument without mentioning the war in there's always it's

822
00:50:13.599 --> 00:50:18.000
<v Speaker 2>one of those one of those things where yeah, it's

823
00:50:18.000 --> 00:50:22.519
<v Speaker 2>basically impossible to not mention. I mean, they're the guys

824
00:50:22.559 --> 00:50:24.079
<v Speaker 2>that make the decisions, right.

825
00:50:24.519 --> 00:50:26.119
<v Speaker 3>Well, the other guys that make the decisions.

826
00:50:26.119 --> 00:50:28.360
<v Speaker 1>But the problem is is that that the moment when

827
00:50:28.599 --> 00:50:31.280
<v Speaker 1>they do these things is that rather than going and

828
00:50:31.400 --> 00:50:37.840
<v Speaker 1>letting localized groups of farmers and environmentalists and conservationists work

829
00:50:37.880 --> 00:50:40.239
<v Speaker 1>together and say, look, we reckon. We can bring back

830
00:50:40.599 --> 00:50:43.320
<v Speaker 1>more yellow hammers here in Suffolk, we can bring more

831
00:50:43.400 --> 00:50:46.440
<v Speaker 1>lap wings back, and we can. They want to go.

832
00:50:46.440 --> 00:50:49.920
<v Speaker 1>Government always wants to have its say, and so it's

833
00:50:49.960 --> 00:50:52.679
<v Speaker 1>not necessarily I'm saying, well, just labor a shit, it's

834
00:50:52.760 --> 00:50:54.559
<v Speaker 1>just government, get out the way.

835
00:50:54.639 --> 00:50:55.039
<v Speaker 3>Government.

836
00:50:55.039 --> 00:50:56.920
<v Speaker 1>We don't need you. We need and we certainly don't

837
00:50:56.960 --> 00:51:00.000
<v Speaker 1>need government trying to go and say wooh with released

838
00:51:00.119 --> 00:51:02.840
<v Speaker 1>white tailed eagles, that means we're really good. Don't look

839
00:51:02.840 --> 00:51:04.360
<v Speaker 1>at all the other ship, but look at the white

840
00:51:04.360 --> 00:51:06.840
<v Speaker 1>tailed eagles. So they mask a graad, well, they mask

841
00:51:07.000 --> 00:51:12.440
<v Speaker 1>themselves behind a shield of wildlife, and that's sad.

842
00:51:12.800 --> 00:51:18.960
<v Speaker 2>I will say, If the white tailed eagle gets the

843
00:51:18.960 --> 00:51:23.320
<v Speaker 2>public to engage in wildlife more, then that's actually quite

844
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<v Speaker 2>good thing.

845
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<v Speaker 3>Yes, that is bitten.

846
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<v Speaker 2>You could what I've spent ten million getting a creature

847
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<v Speaker 2>that nobody will ever see that we've actually got quite

848
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<v Speaker 2>a few in that winter in the Lee Valley. Yeah,

849
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<v Speaker 2>I've ever seen one. I'm not the kind of guy

850
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<v Speaker 2>that hangs around with a spotting scope and all that jazz,

851
00:51:48.239 --> 00:51:51.079
<v Speaker 2>So like, the chances are me seeing one are pretty slim.

852
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<v Speaker 2>But like, yeah, it's if these things engage the public,

853
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<v Speaker 2>then I get it. That's good. If they capture the

854
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<v Speaker 2>imagination of kids and they want to grow up to

855
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<v Speaker 2>be a ecologist and they want to protect the environment,

856
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<v Speaker 2>then then that's good. So not all bad.

857
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<v Speaker 3>But I suppose it's an argument.

858
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<v Speaker 1>But I mean, I've never actually felt, you know, inspired

859
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<v Speaker 1>actually by the obvious. I've always felt inspired more by

860
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<v Speaker 1>the little curious and the ones that I know about. Yes,

861
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<v Speaker 1>that's a fascinating little thing. And so therefore, you know,

862
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<v Speaker 1>I particularly like dunnucks. I like dunnucks not just because

863
00:52:32.480 --> 00:52:38.000
<v Speaker 1>they've got sex lives of complete but also it's because

864
00:52:38.039 --> 00:52:42.599
<v Speaker 1>they are dowdy. They are gray and brown, and that's it.

865
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<v Speaker 1>You know, there's nothing to go, Oh wow, you're not

866
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<v Speaker 1>going to have probably a painting of a Dunnok, honey

867
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<v Speaker 1>wall Hey listen, we've got to stop in a minute

868
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<v Speaker 1>because poor Amy's got to go. And you know, I've toalking,

869
00:52:57.199 --> 00:52:59.920
<v Speaker 1>and you've got to go deer stalking. But here's a

870
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<v Speaker 1>you know, poles as in polls, not the country people

871
00:53:04.199 --> 00:53:07.519
<v Speaker 1>from the country poem. Here's a very interesting thing right

872
00:53:08.280 --> 00:53:09.920
<v Speaker 1>at the moment, there's a lot of poles going back.

873
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<v Speaker 1>It's got May the seventh local elections coming up. In

874
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<v Speaker 1>a recent pole, who drinks what sort of milk? Will

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<v Speaker 1>show you who you are going to vote for in

876
00:53:22.559 --> 00:53:28.519
<v Speaker 1>the upcoming local elections. Right, if you drink whole milk,

877
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<v Speaker 1>you are reformed.

878
00:53:31.000 --> 00:53:33.679
<v Speaker 3>Through and through is going.

879
00:53:34.079 --> 00:53:37.239
<v Speaker 1>If you drink semi skimmed milk, you'll reform through and

880
00:53:37.280 --> 00:53:40.840
<v Speaker 1>through the Conservatives to in second, if you get fat

881
00:53:40.880 --> 00:53:44.480
<v Speaker 1>free fully skimmed milk, you're still a reform voter. If

882
00:53:44.519 --> 00:53:48.360
<v Speaker 1>you drink powdered milk, you vote labor. If you drink

883
00:53:48.519 --> 00:53:52.280
<v Speaker 1>almond milk, you vote labor. If you drink o milk,

884
00:53:52.719 --> 00:53:56.440
<v Speaker 1>you drink labor. If you drink soy milk, you drink labor.

885
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<v Speaker 1>But get this, you have your tea black, your vote reform.

886
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<v Speaker 1>So there you go. That's it. This is the sort

887
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<v Speaker 1>of poles I want to see, is the sort of

888
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<v Speaker 1>and this is it? Right any road we better wrap

889
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<v Speaker 1>up because you've got to go and take photgorass of

890
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<v Speaker 1>people shooting deer.

891
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<v Speaker 3>I have got to.

892
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<v Speaker 1>Do more research on bittens, So thank you very much

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<v Speaker 1>for listening. Everybody, Bye,
