Speaker 1: It's a bit like one of those Agatha Christie things,
Speaker 1: isn't it? And then they're worth three? And now there
Speaker 1: are two.
Speaker 2: Now there are two, just the two of us. It's
Speaker 2: a song about that.
Speaker 3: If there isn't a song, then someone should write one.
Speaker 2: I think there's quite a few Speir's classic to become
Speaker 2: one that could be when we're you know, one of us,
Speaker 2: I don't know, break something else and we have the
Speaker 2: you know, it's just a silo podcast. Actually it's just
Speaker 2: a monologue. Actually that's what you get when you come
Speaker 2: around your house, isn't it. You're just to call it
Speaker 2: was brother with Star Wars, Get off, my lord?
Speaker 3: Do you know?
Speaker 1: It's Actually I was just thinking what they missed a
Speaker 1: trick when that film The Human Centerpede. They should have
Speaker 1: used the spy Skills when Two Become One as the
Speaker 1: soundtrack for that, to add a little bit of humor
Speaker 1: to would be a great trailer, wouldn't it.
Speaker 3: When to be a come one.
Speaker 2: Somebody you need to search for this on YouTube. Somebody
Speaker 2: has recut Missus Doubtfire has a horror film. So it's
Speaker 2: it's just some creepy man putting on this woman's mask
Speaker 2: and invading the houses of children. Brilliant, one of the
Speaker 2: best editing editing things I've ever seen.
Speaker 1: It's a bit like the girl who was a gender
Speaker 1: studies student and she did a thesis on studying love
Speaker 1: actually as a as examples of gross misogyny. And it
Speaker 1: was genuinely quite a funny, tongue in cheek thing about
Speaker 1: you know, just just how terrible all the male characters are,
Speaker 1: and every single one has got all these various and
Speaker 1: she did. It's a joke, and of course the Daily
Speaker 1: Mail picked it up.
Speaker 3: Woke ass. Yes, I thought it's quite good.
Speaker 1: So anyway, I suppose we ought to explain to listeners
Speaker 1: who perhaps were out of the loop last time. Unfortunately,
Speaker 1: mister Pridho is not with us, and he won't be
Speaker 1: for the next couple of weeks. Whilst his leg heels
Speaker 1: because he came off second best after a fight with
Speaker 1: an older ah that is a tree, not an old man,
Speaker 1: although you know, possibly he could could have actually had
Speaker 1: a fight with an old man and he's just trying
Speaker 1: to sort of make it sound a bit butcher.
Speaker 2: But I don't think shattering your leg is the sort
Speaker 2: of injury an old man may may inflict. On you, well,
Speaker 2: unless they were a horse.
Speaker 1: An old horse, or I mean, I would have thought
Speaker 1: a zimmer frame could probably inflict quite a nasty injury
Speaker 1: if aimed at.
Speaker 2: The shine I used to rub pinchers. Only surface wounds
Speaker 2: you get from that, get a bruising. You're fine.
Speaker 1: Yes, we were just like, just like to remind listeners
Speaker 1: that everything you hear on Country Slide is not necessarily real,
Speaker 1: the artists work of fiction exactly. Yes, he didn't honestly
Speaker 1: do that. So yes, I'm afraid there are only two
Speaker 1: of us. And of course that does mean that because
Speaker 1: you've got Callum and me. That means the sort of
Speaker 1: the rudder, the keel that keeps us balanced is now.
Speaker 3: Not with us.
Speaker 1: So therefore we will probably veer off into rocky shores
Speaker 1: and who knows where in.
Speaker 2: Depth topics of no politics this week, No, we'll we'll
Speaker 2: just keep it nice.
Speaker 1: No anyway, back to them straights of horror moves.
Speaker 2: Let's keep it like a Sunday drive.
Speaker 3: Let's do that.
Speaker 1: So anyway, it's look, it's what what have you been
Speaker 1: up to of lake? Because obviously the last week all
Speaker 1: you'd spent your spare time doing was sitting in an
Speaker 1: accident and emergency waiting for your daughter to stop being
Speaker 1: a fruit machine. So hopefully you're back to normal now.
Speaker 1: And what have you been up to? Anything exciting? Yeah?
Speaker 2: All back to normal. I've been doing lots of complaining
Speaker 2: because my kitchen that got ripped out is currently being
Speaker 2: built really slowly. And I tried to put a dishwasher
Speaker 2: on last night and they had connected something which meant
Speaker 2: you couldn't then turn the water on because they hadn't
Speaker 2: checked any of that, So that's fun. I didn't put
Speaker 2: a tap in because it looked too fiddly and it
Speaker 2: was somebody else's job, so that was my job, right,
Speaker 2: So just doing a lot of admin. And then finally
Speaker 2: I have cleared about five separate long form video things.
Speaker 2: I see what I did do which shooting people might enjoy.
Speaker 2: I made a video for Seiss Optics that was on
Speaker 2: stage at the or on the big stand thing at
Speaker 2: the Stalking Show.
Speaker 3: Did you go to the Stalking Show?
Speaker 2: I did not. I went to Norfolk instead and spent
Speaker 2: four days drinking, just quite kid.
Speaker 1: So this film for Seis was it sort of crystal
Speaker 1: clear but very expensive?
Speaker 2: Something like that? A guy called Jim Riley who's Yes,
Speaker 2: I know Jim Do you know Jim?
Speaker 1: I do know Jimip Chippenham Park, Chippenham Park. Did my
Speaker 1: DSc one there under him?
Speaker 2: So that is it. That's is the Seiss Center of Excellence.
Speaker 3: Fascinating. He's a he's ane of knowledge, that man.
Speaker 2: Isy. I only really got to sort of boss him around. Really,
Speaker 2: please walk around the woods with a gun, Please do this,
Speaker 2: do that. So I just got to boss him around
Speaker 2: and talk about the seeker cam, little little trail cameras
Speaker 2: that you can strap to trees and they've got simcard
Speaker 2: and Wi Fi and whatnot, and they can they can
Speaker 2: tell you what deer and what animals are knocking around
Speaker 2: and also pretty good for security as well. If you've
Speaker 2: got a if you've got on a state or something
Speaker 2: and you want to know who's coming down the path,
Speaker 2: for what the local hoodleums are up to, then these
Speaker 2: little seeker cam things are quite good.
Speaker 3: Cool.
Speaker 2: It's interesting.
Speaker 1: Perhaps it work with legally speaking to say, if you
Speaker 1: went and I don't know, caught a miscreant up to
Speaker 1: no good and you've got a child camera legitimately put
Speaker 1: there too, you know, to look at wildlife or what
Speaker 1: have you, if you've got this evidence, could you give
Speaker 1: it to the police and say they go or is
Speaker 1: it absolutely?
Speaker 2: Yeah? No, No, it's not. I mean it's I mean,
Speaker 2: I don't I'm not sure I'm qualified to talk about
Speaker 2: legal side of things, but I do know that people
Speaker 2: have used them and reported them to the police and
Speaker 2: show and shown people that they're there, and that is
Speaker 2: used as evidence, even if it's technically if it's classed
Speaker 2: as like circumstantial. But yeah, I I assume that you can.
Speaker 2: If they're in public places, you can film and photograph
Speaker 2: everyone like people often think. I used to say my
Speaker 2: early career, I used to stay outside the courtroom and
Speaker 2: wait for I used to get a description of what
Speaker 2: somebody looked like, and then I used to photograph. It
Speaker 2: was like a really shit game of guess who. They
Speaker 2: say he looks like a post bloke with short hair,
Speaker 2: he's really tanned, and he's probably wearing tweed, and I'm like, right, okay,
Speaker 2: Colt got it. So then anyone who looks slightly past
Speaker 2: wearing tweed, I'd photograph them coming into a courtroom and
Speaker 2: then hopefully I would get you know, this person who's
Speaker 2: been you know, embezzling money from a charity or whatever
Speaker 2: they were doing of a nasty thing. So it's like paparazzi,
Speaker 2: but like not a crooks chased in celembri. Yeah, vigilanty
Speaker 2: justice paparazzi.
Speaker 1: I think it'd been a lot easier found out find
Speaker 1: out what they were going into court for. So let's
Speaker 1: say it was I don't know, let's embezzling money.
Speaker 3: You go, oh, are you fraud stuff?
Speaker 1: And see which one turns around right, and if it's
Speaker 1: the one that turns around together, he that's him.
Speaker 3: Click click click.
Speaker 2: They do. They definitely didn't want to be photographed. Yes,
Speaker 2: there's a picture of me on the front page of
Speaker 2: the Metro when a guy called Marlon King, who was
Speaker 2: a football player got sentenced and I dodged being punched.
Speaker 2: One of the guys from ap got got his camera
Speaker 2: thrown over a wall and I dodged a picture of
Speaker 2: me on the Metro with my mouth open, like because
Speaker 2: I'm dodging being punched, and I'm just like in the
Speaker 2: background of this of this attack photo, which is quite funny.
Speaker 1: Marlon King does sound like a sort of attacker's name
Speaker 1: to me. I mean, I might be being biased here,
Speaker 1: but that sounds like a violent man.
Speaker 3: Someone called Marlon King, you know, someone who.
Speaker 1: Would probably get you in a car park when he
Speaker 1: weren't expecting it.
Speaker 2: So the story was his wife told him she was
Speaker 2: pregnant and then he decided to celebrate by touching other
Speaker 2: women in a nightclub nice and when they recoiled in horror,
Speaker 2: he punched her in the face and broke her nose.
Speaker 2: So there was a sexual assault and assault charge. And
Speaker 2: he was a Premiership football player. His contract got terminated
Speaker 2: very quickly, so kind of ruined his entire career, which
Speaker 2: is not nice.
Speaker 1: No, well, he sounds like the sort of chap you
Speaker 1: need to have a contract terminated.
Speaker 3: I haven't been taking photographs of anybody.
Speaker 2: The point of this was that even when people don't
Speaker 2: want to be photographed in a private or public space,
Speaker 2: they can be photographed, and they can be published, and
Speaker 2: they can be used unless they're actually used in if
Speaker 2: people will get anonymity, if they have like a case
Speaker 2: of sexual assault or something like that, they can't be published.
Speaker 2: They get full animity, so the victims won't be publicly
Speaker 2: shared at all. But anyone that's accused of doing absolutely anything,
Speaker 2: regardless if you've got a picture of them. It can
Speaker 2: be published, so can it be used to prosecute No,
Speaker 2: but it probably can be used in evidence to prove
Speaker 2: that people were there and potentially up to no good.
Speaker 3: So yeah, all right, we go.
Speaker 1: Well, you know, I mean my life is so mundant
Speaker 1: compared with yours because this week I've well largely been
Speaker 1: I wrote the first chapter of my book because I've
Speaker 1: got to write the new one now, and I have
Speaker 1: given a couple of talks. I did one which is
Speaker 1: very interesting actually, which is the Hadly Environmental Action Team,
Speaker 1: which could sound slightly like a sort of heat heat exactly,
Speaker 1: So is there a dog in heat.
Speaker 3: Heat?
Speaker 1: It's some the Hadley Environmental Action Team very interesting. So,
Speaker 1: I mean, Hadley's a pretty little sad Suffolk town.
Speaker 2: In my head, I've just got these people with like
Speaker 2: the Heat Squad.
Speaker 3: Do you want to feel the heat? It does? It
Speaker 3: does slightly make you think that it's the Heat Squad.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: It's sort of well, someone's going to get in chat
Speaker 2: GPT now and write a very good prompt to sort
Speaker 2: of get these Environmental Action Group as superheroes, as an
Speaker 2: elite task force. And they're doing it just in front
Speaker 2: of a village hall.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, as a I'll be honest, as an elite
Speaker 1: sort of.
Speaker 3: Hit squads, a heat squad.
Speaker 1: They they're quite old actually, you know, they're all at
Speaker 1: least as old as me. So possibly not the superheroes
Speaker 1: you expected, but they are superheroes in their own way,
Speaker 1: because these are the sorts of people who genuinely do
Speaker 1: go and make sure the litter gets picked up from
Speaker 1: the you know, the local environs around the lovely little
Speaker 1: little market town of Hadley in South Suffolk, and you know,
Speaker 1: there's thoroughly the good Eggs and they make sure that
Speaker 1: their local green spaces are green and they do stuff
Speaker 1: like that. And they asked me to go and give
Speaker 1: a talk to them about Words from the Hedge and what.
Speaker 3: I do for a day job.
Speaker 1: And it's very interesting because you know, I go through
Speaker 1: in quite great detail about the fact that I believe
Speaker 1: that we can halt biodiversity decline, but we need to.
Speaker 3: Get behind farming and whatnot.
Speaker 1: And because we've got the local elections are starting up
Speaker 1: and I have noticed that the bloody Green Party have
Speaker 1: already been around slapping there.
Speaker 2: I thought you were going to say, you have no
Speaker 2: t that the potholes have been filled. It's funnyles get filled.
Speaker 3: Isn't it funny that? Yes? Exactly.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all of a sudden is there's roads shut. I
Speaker 1: mean because they're doing it all in a one around here,
Speaker 1: that they're the sort of shut three roads at once,
Speaker 1: which means you can't actually get anywhere. The diversion takes
Speaker 1: you back on yourself and you realize after half an
Speaker 1: hour's driving you're actually back home again.
Speaker 2: Are you one of these people that has a deep
Speaker 2: distrust for road closed?
Speaker 1: Don't agree with them because they'll say roads shut, but
Speaker 1: they don't tell you where.
Speaker 3: It could be three miles away.
Speaker 2: I just these days, I just risk it. I just
Speaker 2: go down until until there's something that I think I
Speaker 2: can't jump that down there, mate, down there. Most of
Speaker 2: the time, I'd say it's an eighty percent success rate.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's because at half the time they've either
Speaker 1: forgotten to pick the signs up or they've shut it
Speaker 1: in preparation for three days time.
Speaker 3: When going to go there, all like I say, there
Speaker 3: is this bloody.
Speaker 1: Great big three sixty digger and they have dug, you know,
Speaker 1: a hole big enough to go and sink sort of
Speaker 1: an articulated lorrean and then you do have to You
Speaker 1: got two choices, you know, you either go back or
Speaker 1: you go come on, Luke, let's jump it way you
Speaker 1: have And then you know, obviously I haven't got Colonel
Speaker 1: bogiehorn on my subaru.
Speaker 2: I packed my Daisy Duke SUTs just in case that together,
Speaker 2: you and your daisy dukes, I could have a denim
Speaker 2: shirt on.
Speaker 3: We could have the flag of Suffolk painted.
Speaker 1: On the top of my of my subrew rather than
Speaker 1: a Confederate flag, and then the horn rather than being
Speaker 1: so attle, I think it would be nice if we
Speaker 1: had a bit of Vaughan Williams coming out of the
Speaker 1: lark ascending, you know, a lot less aggressive and with
Speaker 1: the underlying message gentle the Confederacy more gentlemanly as we
Speaker 1: then jump over the top and then break my axle
Speaker 1: on my suber roup.
Speaker 3: Yeah, brilliant.
Speaker 1: So that's what we'll do next time, you and your
Speaker 1: daisy dukes, me and me thinks shirt and we could
Speaker 1: have to change our names though, because they were Bow
Speaker 1: and Luke Duke, so we're gonna have to think of
Speaker 1: Duke that I know. Unfortunate, that isn't it. We'll have
Speaker 1: to go and think of some rhymes.
Speaker 2: Calum so you can't really have a calum.
Speaker 1: Yes, okay, so we will workshop it. Yeah, we'll work
Speaker 1: shop it. We'll do this off air anyway, he sud.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: The Heat Squad very interesting because I was talking about
Speaker 1: how important it was, you know that we the work
Speaker 1: I do, and about the various birds we are starting
Speaker 1: to see comeback as a result, because now as a
Speaker 1: build up of work, and you know, I'm not the
Speaker 1: only hedge layer working now in Suffolk. There are more
Speaker 1: and more abouts and you're starting to see. And I
Speaker 1: was talking about this and all of a sudden, some
Speaker 1: bloody dullard from the Greens piped up. If we don't
Speaker 1: have net zero, then there won't be any birds anyway,
Speaker 1: because we'll all have died from heat or something. And
Speaker 1: I went now and then I had to go and
Speaker 1: sort of explain to them the fact that saying, well,
Speaker 1: to be perfectly honest, I think what we really all
Speaker 1: can play a part in is increasing biodiversity. What we
Speaker 1: can't all do is is all your stuff with your
Speaker 1: net zero hookem that I didn't quite say like that,
Speaker 1: but it was quite interesting. So Heat Squad and there
Speaker 1: are green party sort of things going up around Hadley.
Speaker 1: Now I thought I might be booed off stage or something,
Speaker 1: but actually I found that the Hadley Environmental Action Team were,
Speaker 1: Oh god, thank god, someone's finally said that is, we'd
Speaker 1: rather go and sort out biadversity decline first and foremost,
Speaker 1: and you know, let's worry about the carbon later.
Speaker 3: And so it.
Speaker 1: Seems to me that the voice of common sense is
Speaker 1: ringing out loud and clear in Hadley.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, just the net zero thing, I just, I mean,
Speaker 2: I get it, there's a there's an end game where
Speaker 2: we have to not do that.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I like, I like all these view of it.
Speaker 3: He said.
Speaker 1: Okay, he said, so we can go and spend all
Speaker 1: these gazillions of pounds on getting to net zero and
Speaker 1: then we look around us and say, hooray, we're net zero,
Speaker 1: and then look around and everything's dead anyway. And that
Speaker 1: does seem to be the thing is that I think
Speaker 1: Richard Produce said, people are mixing up environmentalism and being
Speaker 1: an environmentalist, which is I looking after your local environment,
Speaker 1: with the mistaken idea that being an environmentalist means you're
Speaker 1: actually worried about energy infrastructure I mean, that isn't quite
Speaker 1: so sexy, is it? When you think about it like that?
Speaker 1: Is that you're, oh, yes, I really want to make
Speaker 1: sure it's all renewable energy. Can you imagine getting really
Speaker 1: excited and turned on by by energy sources. It's just crap,
Speaker 1: isn't it. Let's instead go and think about managing hedges
Speaker 1: and picking up litter and making stuff work better.
Speaker 2: That would be I I like charts. Me love a
Speaker 2: good chart, okay. And when you look at the progress
Speaker 2: towards net zero and you see how well we've done
Speaker 2: versus the influx of carbon pollution from China, it's quite
Speaker 2: easy to say, potentially, what we have done is taken
Speaker 2: all of our manufacturing and all of our dirty work
Speaker 2: and just shipped it to a different part of the world.
Speaker 2: Because I'm sitting in front of me now and I've
Speaker 2: got a monitor that's no doubt made in China. God
Speaker 2: knows where all the electronics that are in front of
Speaker 2: me are made, and they're polluting the earth. But where
Speaker 2: are they polluting the earth? China? Not here?
Speaker 1: So it's it's rather imperialist, isn't it. If you think
Speaker 1: about it, is that it's for a bunch of people
Speaker 1: who probably will be one of the few lots who
Speaker 1: actually think, oh, yes, let's let's go and pay reparations
Speaker 1: payments for our filthy imperialist past I treat I think
Speaker 1: it is an incredibly imperialist thing that we are offsetting
Speaker 1: our pollution by basically saying, go on crack on, China, India, Brazil.
Speaker 1: You can keep on polluting as much as you like,
Speaker 1: but we're going to be smug here. And and we're fine.
Speaker 1: We've done wonderfully, aren't we good. We're we're leading by example.
Speaker 3: No, we're not.
Speaker 1: We're just passing off the solution to other people to
Speaker 1: have to take it. I watched on TV whilst we
Speaker 1: were away because I've been in Southwold for the last.
Speaker 3: Couple of days because it was my birthday treat.
Speaker 1: I was went sat stay in a lovely place right
Speaker 1: on the sand dunes. It was lovely and Charlie had
Speaker 1: never watched The Crown, you know, the TV series about
Speaker 1: and we got to the episode when in nineteenes nineteen
Speaker 1: fifty two when there was the Great smog when Batsy
Speaker 1: Power Station and one or two of the other big
Speaker 1: coal fire power stations in London were jettisoning out all
Speaker 1: the smog, all that sulfur laden coal smoke, and there
Speaker 1: was like some very big low depression which meant to
Speaker 1: fog hung over London, and London, as you know better
Speaker 1: than most calum was on an old marsh. It was
Speaker 1: very low lying, you know, it's a boggy old thing,
Speaker 1: and the things combined together and it had this smog created.
Speaker 1: And that's where the Clean Air Act was then enacted
Speaker 1: after this because it killed apparently twelve thousand people because
Speaker 1: it was so filthy. And I think people forget that
Speaker 1: we used to be a very dirty, dirty country. We were,
Speaker 1: you know, we burned a lot of coalner and these
Speaker 1: sulfurous fumes were doing. But I think what it's always
Speaker 1: strikes me as a bit daft is that when you
Speaker 1: go and see people sort of saying we shouldn't be
Speaker 1: burning wood, and we shouldn't be doing this, and we
Speaker 1: shouldn't be doing that, people think we're still stuck in
Speaker 1: nineteen fifty two. We have means of capturing most of
Speaker 1: the bad gases from most of the things that we
Speaker 1: might burn as fuel. So therefore it's like if we
Speaker 1: had actually carried on using our infrastructure and some of
Speaker 1: our natural resources. It's not that we're stuck in aspect.
Speaker 1: We're not just stuck in time. This strikes me that
Speaker 1: we've been burning wood as a fuel well for as
Speaker 1: long as human beings have more or less been human beings,
Speaker 1: and surely we've got a means now of lessening the
Speaker 1: carstenergenic gases so we can catch them. I think it's
Speaker 1: a great shame, and I'm sure all our forestry listeners
Speaker 1: will be going yeah, but I do think that our
Speaker 1: ability to burn wood has been sort of curtailed by
Speaker 1: a bunch of people who probably wouldn't know how to
Speaker 1: light a fire if you actually ask them to do it.
Speaker 1: Guess what I'm doing tomorrow, callum, guess what I'm.
Speaker 2: Doing lighting something on fire?
Speaker 3: No, I'm not, hopefully not. No.
Speaker 1: Actually, this is the one place you do not want
Speaker 1: to light fire. Are going up on a thatched roof
Speaker 1: with Chris Dodson, the thatcher. Yes, and also I'm going
Speaker 1: up there with podcast guests. No, that was his brother,
Speaker 1: That was his brother, twin brother. Yeah, Dr Reid's No,
Speaker 1: that was that's Andy, his twin brother. This is Chris,
Speaker 1: the actual thatcher. I'm going up on a roof with
Speaker 1: it in Bedford Ship and a mate of mine called
Speaker 1: Tom Barker who's an agronomist, and Anna Hill from BBC's
Speaker 1: Farming today. So we are doing a piece up on
Speaker 1: a roof about thatching straw, which we will talk about
Speaker 1: more next week.
Speaker 3: So it's because there's a bit.
Speaker 2: Of a thatching who is who is this peaceful?
Speaker 3: Well this is.
Speaker 1: Actually for BBC Farming today for a thing. It will
Speaker 1: be out on Friday, so I know, I know, well,
Speaker 1: you know, I don't like to go hide my legs
Speaker 1: under a bushel. Actually, I've just orchestrated this because it's
Speaker 1: something that I'm working on where we're trying to go
Speaker 1: and address the thatching straw shortage to see if we
Speaker 1: can get more farmers going thatching straw.
Speaker 2: Yeah, don't we just get all from China? That's my key,
Speaker 2: take Calum ninety. Yeah, but then the tankers would come back.
Speaker 2: Well actually know, I suppose they're all coming back with
Speaker 2: cheap Chinese electronics. But they're bringing a bit of a
Speaker 2: bit of thatch over with.
Speaker 3: Them, a bit thatch over with them. You know, it's bonkers.
Speaker 2: I can't remember the stat it was like ninety percent
Speaker 2: of all thatch comes from comes from China, doesn't it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that was what Andy was telling us about
Speaker 1: the reed and so this is the long straw, thatching
Speaker 1: straw and the ear. We're just not growing enough.
Speaker 2: I think everybody should check that episode. It's one of
Speaker 2: the really early episodes and you'll see it. It says thatching. Yeah,
Speaker 2: the it was all that they all came from China.
Speaker 2: Also that the I remember, the reed beds are used
Speaker 2: to clean a lot of the water. They're fantastic filters
Speaker 2: of polluted dirty water. So you've got stuff that's that's
Speaker 2: really nasty, big old reed bed will clean a lot
Speaker 2: of that pollution out and filter from the water, which
Speaker 2: I thought's pretty good. There's also not that many other
Speaker 2: people that are willing to or understand the safety and
Speaker 2: practical sides of harvesting thatch, and not that many people
Speaker 2: places growing it. Well, aren't beneficial to the beneficial for
Speaker 2: the bed?
Speaker 3: Yes, well this is very beneficial to the bitten.
Speaker 1: So I've got a complete Dodson week this week. So
Speaker 1: I'm going up on a roof with Chris on Wednesday,
Speaker 1: and then on the Friday, I'm going out with his
Speaker 1: twin brother Andy, and I'm going to wickan Fen which
Speaker 1: is at Cambridge here, which is and we're going to
Speaker 1: be looking at reed beds out there, and then a
Speaker 1: lot of the stuff that we talked about, and then
Speaker 1: I'm the following week We've got a big meeting about
Speaker 1: thatching straw with our farm cluster on the Monday, and
Speaker 1: then I'm talking with a fascinating expert on bittons, So
Speaker 1: we're gonna basically look at how the manage or the
Speaker 1: lack of management of reed beds and how that could
Speaker 1: be should be done better. With Andy, then I'm talking
Speaker 1: to this chap who has is the leading European expert
Speaker 1: on bittons, who will be explaining as to if we
Speaker 1: managed our reed beds better like we used to, that
Speaker 1: the bitten would be in a better place. So I've
Speaker 1: got a complete thatching slashsh week.
Speaker 3: It's utterly bizarre.
Speaker 1: So it's one of the things if you want to
Speaker 1: go out and educate yourself in things that you are
Speaker 1: fascinated by but you didn't really know a lot about,
Speaker 1: and speak to proper.
Speaker 3: Experts, write a book because.
Speaker 1: You get to meet all these absolutely fascinating things and
Speaker 1: it happens to be that this next week ten days,
Speaker 1: I'm seeing some of the experts in thatching, both in
Speaker 1: thatching straw and read thatching and all those environments there,
Speaker 1: both environmentally, ecolologically and practically. I'm seeing some of the
Speaker 1: biggest cheeses this next ten days. It's going to be
Speaker 1: absolutely fascinating. So that's all very exciting.
Speaker 2: I can't have ever seen a bitten or I can
Speaker 2: remember seeing one. I know, don't they sound like a
Speaker 2: water drop?
Speaker 3: Boom boom boom.
Speaker 1: They start very early actually doing the what's it called,
Speaker 1: sort of territorial booming as it's called. And they have
Speaker 1: quite a set list of this is what I need.
Speaker 1: You know, they have a very large area in which
Speaker 1: they need. They have a very large sort of set
Speaker 1: of requirements, long set of requirements. They need deep water
Speaker 1: where they can fish. They need some of the areas
Speaker 1: which are well covered in certain sort of different reads
Speaker 1: that they prefer. They need some bits which are then
Speaker 1: cut and or lower, and so there's all this set
Speaker 1: list of criteria, and that perhaps leads us in a
Speaker 1: sort of semi professional link into what we wanted to
Speaker 1: talk about today, which was about the releases of the
Speaker 1: governments announced of these charismatic species, and it's some the
Speaker 1: thing that strikes me, you know, the white tailed eagles
Speaker 1: and the golden eagles, amongst other things, but it's one
Speaker 1: of the things that strikes me is that when you've
Speaker 1: got a bird like the bitten, which had nearly gone
Speaker 1: extinct in this country, but with some careful habitat management,
Speaker 1: they do suffer predation certainly, and when their habitats become smaller,
Speaker 1: they are they're more easily predated. But they also depend
Speaker 1: upon clean water because you need to have plenty of
Speaker 1: little fish and amphibians.
Speaker 3: And water mammals for them to eat.
Speaker 1: So there's a setlist of criteria that you can bring
Speaker 1: them back from the brink a bit like we're doing
Speaker 1: with a turtle dove. And it's something that strikes me personally,
Speaker 1: and i'd like your opinion on this calm is that
Speaker 1: when governments, obviously being lent on by some environmentalist groups,
Speaker 1: are spending huge amounts of money on reintroducing either extinct species,
Speaker 1: sometimes long extinct species, or some of these amazing charismatic
Speaker 1: birds the eagle, golden eagle, and the white and the
Speaker 1: white tailed eagle, you start thinking, well, why don't you,
Speaker 1: first of all, focus on things like the bitten or
Speaker 1: the yellow hammer, or the corn bunting, these you know,
Speaker 1: the turtle dove, these species which have You know, we
Speaker 1: know how to bring them back from the brink, and
Speaker 1: it requires some thought, effort, some time, and invariably some money.
Speaker 3: But you think, why aren't we.
Speaker 1: Focusing on that rather than fannying about with reintroducing things
Speaker 1: which haven't been here for sometimes centuries. I mean, what
Speaker 1: do you think about these reintroductions?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean some of them. I always think about
Speaker 2: the one when I went to France we could see
Speaker 2: the griffin vulture. I think it was like nineteen ninety,
Speaker 2: that might have been early two thousands. They took the
Speaker 2: griffin vulture hadn't existed for a long long time, and
Speaker 2: they brought it back. They got some from Russia and
Speaker 2: they reintroduced them. Now there's absolutely loads of these griffin cultures.
Speaker 2: So they're cool to look at, and no doubt the
Speaker 2: people of France have got animals that are endangered or
Speaker 2: the habitat's declining or whatever it was, but they've done
Speaker 2: really well, so I think it can work and there
Speaker 2: is a place for all of them in the It
Speaker 2: sounds like a very weird socialist thing to say there's
Speaker 2: a place for all of them. They've just misunderstood they
Speaker 2: all need a hug, but there is a place for
Speaker 2: all of them. But yeah, I agree. So some of
Speaker 2: it's just a bit of a pr exercise, isn't it.
Speaker 2: It's like, what, what's the public gonna Is that a problem?
Speaker 2: I mean, if you're going to capture some random person
Speaker 2: coming out of a zoo and they think, I've got
Speaker 2: twenty quid, I'll put it in a donation box, and
Speaker 2: they want to fund some kind of reintroduction of whatever
Speaker 2: charismatic animal it is, and you're going to prize twenty
Speaker 2: quid from there already bleeding wallet after they've exited a
Speaker 2: zoo or a wildlife park or some one of those
Speaker 2: things and spent fifty quid on ice cream, not on
Speaker 2: bitter though. Now I have children, that's what that costs me.
Speaker 2: I appreciate I descended quite quickly into an old man
Speaker 2: rant there. But if you're going to get some money
Speaker 2: from the public for these things, it needs to be
Speaker 2: something quite exciting. You wouldn't say like, oh, we need to,
Speaker 2: you know, bring back the pidgeon or something, and people
Speaker 2: will be.
Speaker 3: Oh, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: But if you say we're going to bring a beaver
Speaker 2: to I don't know, we're going to bring the bustard
Speaker 2: back to Toulsbury playing or something, Everyone's like, yeah, that
Speaker 2: sounds like a great idea. Look at the size of
Speaker 2: these things, and people engage in it. They enjoy it,
Speaker 2: don't they.
Speaker 3: Exactly.
Speaker 1: I suppose that's you. You said, I've never seen bitten.
Speaker 1: And that's the problem in it is that you know,
Speaker 1: if the general public are going to say, okay, taxpayers
Speaker 1: money is going to be spent on a species and
Speaker 1: it's something as secretive as a bitten. And from what
Speaker 1: I understand is that a lot of what bittons need
Speaker 1: is that they need a to be left alone and
Speaker 1: they and they. Secondly, they need to have their reedy,
Speaker 1: watery habitat enlarged. The anymore, we've drained a lot of
Speaker 1: of reed beds out and we've turned it into agricultural land,
Speaker 1: and we no longer manage reed beds in rotational ways.
Speaker 1: So therefore what we do have isn't working very well
Speaker 1: for them. So therefore all the things that the general
Speaker 1: public so reads where you're not going to walk through.
Speaker 3: A reed bed.
Speaker 1: Let's be perfectly honest, because it's scary. It will cut
Speaker 1: you and you might then go and suddenly treading a
Speaker 1: bit where you think is solid land and you're actually
Speaker 1: up to your neck in water and you die. So
Speaker 1: therefore the poor old bit and can't be seen, so
Speaker 1: therefore people don't care about him. But like you say,
Speaker 1: a white tailed eagle for example, I mean you can't
Speaker 1: miss them. We had one land here a couple of
Speaker 1: seasons ago, and it came up on the on the
Speaker 1: Farm Watch WhatsApp group, and it was a tractor driver
Speaker 1: down at Walsham of the Willows, and he said, if
Speaker 1: any falconers lost a bird, he said, there's a black,
Speaker 1: great big one, and and he sent the photograph through
Speaker 1: and it did look like that it was owned by
Speaker 1: a faulkner because it had this bloody, great big thing
Speaker 1: all around his leg and whatnot, which actually turned out
Speaker 1: to be a tracker.
Speaker 3: Tracker yeah.
Speaker 1: And he then got out and he went up to
Speaker 1: it and this thing was sort of semi tame and
Speaker 1: sort of hopped up to him, then hopped away and
Speaker 1: it sort.
Speaker 3: Of stood there.
Speaker 1: He said, we said real time on this WhatsApp group
Speaker 1: saying he's a big bastard, and they taking photographs of
Speaker 1: him again and again and again, and it turned out
Speaker 1: that this was one of the youngsters that was released
Speaker 1: in Holland and he had come over to here and
Speaker 1: then got a bit tired, and I didn't think he
Speaker 1: was very well. I think he got bird flu, to
Speaker 1: be perfectly honest, and probably died. But anyway, it's one
Speaker 1: of those things that you can't miss it because they're
Speaker 1: socking great big creatures.
Speaker 2: That looked like it the Essex last month right, that
Speaker 2: were spotted over Abbotton Reservoir, I think, okay, And then
Speaker 2: this week it's followed my trajectory and went to Norfolk,
Speaker 2: so you know, yeah, look, maybe maybe it knows where
Speaker 2: I am. He just wants to find me.
Speaker 1: It's it's well, it's it's what you when you're a
Speaker 1: bit like thought, you know, I can just see a
Speaker 1: bit like they're sort of there with a mighty.
Speaker 3: White tailed eagle on your arm.
Speaker 1: But it's one of them funny old things is that
Speaker 1: the government has put sixty million pounds aside from twenty
Speaker 1: six to twenty nine to reintroduce species, and they certainly
Speaker 1: are going to go and do the beaver because the
Speaker 1: beaver obsessives have got hugely excited to be obsessives. They are,
Speaker 1: I mean, oh, these are great manipulators of landscapes that
Speaker 1: will go and sort of miraculously make all our rivers.
Speaker 3: Again. And they won't. They won't because that's we know,
Speaker 3: that's bollocks.
Speaker 1: They may may do some better stuff in some places,
Speaker 1: but we also know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so spans tall one. Yes, it was a tiny,
Speaker 2: tiny little creek, and they did turn it into a
Speaker 2: habitat of wet woodland, which is good for certain things.
Speaker 3: Things like a woodcock will go quite like this. Yeah,
Speaker 3: so it would do.
Speaker 2: But you know, I get that they've changed. They changed
Speaker 2: something that was really it was just a little creek.
Speaker 2: It's not really anything for anyone a bit of water source.
Speaker 2: But but generally what the beavers did was much better.
Speaker 2: But we know from the talk of the man from
Speaker 2: Wild Trout Trust that actually those those still parts of
Speaker 2: water aren't very good, very awful for you know, oxygenating
Speaker 2: the water. You really want you want water to flow,
Speaker 2: you want it to filter, You want it to come
Speaker 2: down from a place and go to wherever it's going
Speaker 2: and get filtered through gravel or chalk or wherever it
Speaker 2: needs to go, So you don't really want large areas
Speaker 2: of stagnated water to be hanging around. I appreciate it
Speaker 2: creates a different habitat for different places, but you do
Speaker 2: have to be careful with introducing such species to different.
Speaker 1: I think we have to be very careful. And I
Speaker 1: also think that what we have to be extremely careful
Speaker 1: in is with these species getting reintroduced. Claiming that they
Speaker 1: are literally the panacea, they are the cure or for everything,
Speaker 1: is setting the poor creature up to fail. So I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, let's use the beaver poor things. Is that
Speaker 1: saying that they are the cure all for our water
Speaker 1: systems is clearly a nonsense. You go and speak to
Speaker 1: anyone who is a gilly on the River Tay, for example,
Speaker 1: where some lunatic who will remain nameless, decided to go
Speaker 1: and release beavers off his own back, and huge numbers
Speaker 1: of the little tributaries where both the sea trout and
Speaker 1: the salmon were spawning the reds there they now have
Speaker 1: been turned into exactly you said, this stagnant thing where
Speaker 1: the fish can't migrate up there, you know, so therefore
Speaker 1: well done. So you've released the beaver. It's done some
Speaker 1: great things. But you that the Atlantic salmon, which was
Speaker 1: under great threat anyway, his name more threatened because you
Speaker 1: put that specie in there.
Speaker 2: One if you spoke to a beaver enthusiast, which sounds
Speaker 2: like a cool gentitle, oh that in my tomb stone.
Speaker 2: I wonder if you said, oh, we're planning on building
Speaker 2: a lock in this in this lovely river that runs
Speaker 2: down somewhere, We're going to build a great big lock there,
Speaker 2: and you know some boats can get through. They'd probably go,
Speaker 2: that's a stupid idea. Why would you do that? That's
Speaker 2: going to destroy this environment. But if you say, oh,
Speaker 2: let's release a beaver which is effectively going to dam
Speaker 2: up the river and do the same thing. One one
Speaker 2: just has this pretty wrapper of you know, cute little animal,
Speaker 2: and then the other is a man made thing. But
Speaker 2: the result is the same. It stops the water flow.
Speaker 2: And it's not that good. But some I will say,
Speaker 2: some places, if the water is going to run slowly anyway,
Speaker 2: and sometimes it dries up and sometimes it doesn't, and
Speaker 2: it's not presenting much of a habitat for just about anything,
Speaker 2: then sure beaver it up.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean when it comes to things like the big
Speaker 1: the eagle, So the golden and white tailed eagle.
Speaker 2: What what's the other? What's the other? The reintroductions?
Speaker 1: Oh well, this is one is a snail that I'll
Speaker 1: be perfectly honest, I've never even heard of. It's utterly bizarre.
Speaker 1: What's it bloody called? It's some sort of weird thing.
Speaker 2: Have you ever found a Roman snail?
Speaker 3: Yeah? That we have a lot of big old things.
Speaker 2: Apparently they can because they're a rare, a rare jobby.
Speaker 2: They can hold up building projects until they're they're real. Yeah,
Speaker 2: what do they call them? A burgundy snail or something?
Speaker 3: That's him that rings a bell?
Speaker 2: They absolutely you'll know if you see one, because they're
Speaker 2: like five times the size of what you'd expect a
Speaker 2: snail to look like.
Speaker 1: A glutenous snail is the one that that the government
Speaker 1: is is talking about reintroducing glutenous snails.
Speaker 3: You ever come across them? Don't know?
Speaker 1: Is it got big bum got this big glute, gluteous.
Speaker 4: Big as big aster actually out snail? Yeah, they but
Speaker 4: it's okay, it's.
Speaker 2: A critically dangered snail. It's a water snail.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I mean it's curious that there that they're
Speaker 1: focusing on this glutenous snail water.
Speaker 2: That sounds quite good. That if they get loads of those,
Speaker 2: I should imagine carp will get significantly bigger, and maybe
Speaker 2: it gives the chubs something to eat.
Speaker 3: Oh, I mean, that's it's good.
Speaker 1: But you start thinking, well, before you start doing this
Speaker 1: species reintroduction of glutenous snail, because we haven't got them,
Speaker 1: do you not think it might be a better idea
Speaker 1: to clean up the shitty water that we've gone and
Speaker 1: the fact that our you know that our water companies
Speaker 1: are churning out shit into our water systems. So therefore
Speaker 1: the glutenous snail is not exactly number one priority. The
Speaker 1: number one priority would be the absolute stuff of life.
Speaker 3: Water. Now, that would make sense to me.
Speaker 2: So let's if you were to score. So if these
Speaker 2: if these things have become endangered, bear in mind thirty
Speaker 2: years ago. Well, I'll go back to I'll go back
Speaker 2: to a moment about twenty years ago when I sat
Speaker 2: on an oak log. I spent between eight am and
Speaker 2: about eleven am fishing, and I called ten separate species
Speaker 2: of fish. Yeah, just out side harlow meal fishing with
Speaker 2: float and some maggots a great couple of hours. We
Speaker 2: had gudgeon, we had roach, we had days. They basically
Speaker 2: don't exist there anymore.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so.
Speaker 2: That's like ten years difference that we had fish in there.
Speaker 2: Now we barely have any fish in there. Like I've
Speaker 2: gone back and fished it in recent years with maggots
Speaker 2: and I couldn't buy a bite. Conditions could be different
Speaker 2: that lots of things change, but the general, the general
Speaker 2: thing is there isn't anywhere near that amount of fish.
Speaker 2: To replicate what I did on a very average afternoon
Speaker 2: would probably be impossible these days. I mean, even if
Speaker 2: you timed the conditions perfectly, to catch ten fish into
Speaker 2: ten species of fish in like a couple of hours
Speaker 2: is going to be impossible. So you think that that's
Speaker 2: that was ten years ago, and it's got significantly harder
Speaker 2: for the species you'd expect to be there. So twenty
Speaker 2: years ago it wasn't that hard. This species of water
Speaker 2: snail didn't exist there before, and ten years prior to that,
Speaker 2: when it was probably really easy and there was lots
Speaker 2: of fish in the river also didn't exist. What chance
Speaker 2: of a species that really struggled to exist thirty years ago,
Speaker 2: forty years ago, fifty years ago, have got in a
Speaker 2: river where even the fish that should be there don't exist.
Speaker 3: So like the.
Speaker 2: If you look at you're in marketing in ads, you
Speaker 2: talk about your return on investment or your return on
Speaker 2: ad spend. If your investment is you want the net
Speaker 2: gain is to have the result is actually the presence
Speaker 2: of these animals, fish, whatever it is. Go for the
Speaker 2: ones that are really easy, like the easy things. Also
Speaker 2: one of the things they do in marketing as well,
Speaker 2: Like if you get people want to advise clients for
Speaker 2: marketing things, they're like, oh, we're doing really well on Facebook,
Speaker 2: and now we're trying to do we want to grow
Speaker 2: into TikTok ads, or we want to do this, or
Speaker 2: we want to do that. You're like, well, if you're
Speaker 2: doing well in one place, double down on the place
Speaker 2: you're doing well, you're making profit. Right, double down on
Speaker 2: the place you're making profit because you can get more
Speaker 2: of that. You know it's there. You don't need to
Speaker 2: piss around, don't need to go sinking new and shiny
Speaker 2: if you want to, if you know that. Stopping water
Speaker 2: companies polluting the river leaving it for a period of
Speaker 2: time restocking fish or just repairing the habitat or increasing
Speaker 2: water flow works. Do that because that is a really
Speaker 2: good use of money. Don't spend, I don't know, spend
Speaker 2: money on charismatic things that are set to fail and
Speaker 2: have already already likely to Yes, they've.
Speaker 1: Already shown you that they don't like human beings and.
Speaker 3: The stuff that are byproducts. So therefore now.
Speaker 2: They're doing it on hard mode.
Speaker 1: I know it does seem utterly oxymoronic to me, and
Speaker 1: so I think, let's think why they're doing it.
Speaker 3: Okay, let's get on the positive side.
Speaker 1: It might be because they have been lent on by
Speaker 1: some people at Natural England who seem to be under.
Speaker 3: This delusion that if you just sort of put.
Speaker 1: Some charismatic stuff about, then everything will be wonderful.
Speaker 3: Because they start sort of talking.
Speaker 1: About trophic cascade and all this old crap. I should
Speaker 1: imagine a lot of it is they've been lent on
Speaker 1: by people who have got pr spend. So therefore you
Speaker 1: will have had some of these the various sort of
Speaker 1: the Linx project and the Beaver project and all these
Speaker 1: people who and they have sort of said that basically
Speaker 1: the beaver can do everything from sort of cleaning our
Speaker 1: rivers to cure cancer. And I would think that the
Speaker 1: third thing is that we've got a government who realizes
Speaker 1: it could be giving away gold bars at the moment,
Speaker 1: everyone would still hate it with every fiber of their being.
Speaker 1: So they're flailing about trying to find something that may
Speaker 1: actually prove popular. And so they thought, let's get some
Speaker 1: charismatic things, but will throw in the glutenous snail in
Speaker 1: for good measure. Because of that, a glutenous snail is
Speaker 1: quite cheap to get. Yeah, yeah, we've got some, and yeah,
Speaker 1: they'll throw them in there and the glutenus snail will.
Speaker 3: Die out yet again.
Speaker 1: And because the rivers are just minging, but it's too
Speaker 1: expensive and too challenging and too difficult to go and
Speaker 1: actually repair the rivers.
Speaker 3: So there we go.
Speaker 1: Yes, so we have now found yet another government project,
Speaker 1: which although maybe in.
Speaker 2: If we say we weren't going for politics, I think
Speaker 2: we did, but here we are.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 2: Always, what's that rule like that that you can't have
Speaker 2: an argument without mentioning the war in there's always it's
Speaker 2: one of those one of those things where yeah, it's
Speaker 2: basically impossible to not mention. I mean, they're the guys
Speaker 2: that make the decisions, right.
Speaker 3: Well, the other guys that make the decisions.
Speaker 1: But the problem is is that that the moment when
Speaker 1: they do these things is that rather than going and
Speaker 1: letting localized groups of farmers and environmentalists and conservationists work
Speaker 1: together and say, look, we reckon. We can bring back
Speaker 1: more yellow hammers here in Suffolk, we can bring more
Speaker 1: lap wings back, and we can. They want to go.
Speaker 1: Government always wants to have its say, and so it's
Speaker 1: not necessarily I'm saying, well, just labor a shit, it's
Speaker 1: just government, get out the way.
Speaker 3: Government.
Speaker 1: We don't need you. We need and we certainly don't
Speaker 1: need government trying to go and say wooh with released
Speaker 1: white tailed eagles, that means we're really good. Don't look
Speaker 1: at all the other ship, but look at the white
Speaker 1: tailed eagles. So they mask a graad, well, they mask
Speaker 1: themselves behind a shield of wildlife, and that's sad.
Speaker 2: I will say, If the white tailed eagle gets the
Speaker 2: public to engage in wildlife more, then that's actually quite
Speaker 2: good thing.
Speaker 3: Yes, that is bitten.
Speaker 2: You could what I've spent ten million getting a creature
Speaker 2: that nobody will ever see that we've actually got quite
Speaker 2: a few in that winter in the Lee Valley. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I've ever seen one. I'm not the kind of guy
Speaker 2: that hangs around with a spotting scope and all that jazz,
Speaker 2: So like, the chances are me seeing one are pretty slim.
Speaker 2: But like, yeah, it's if these things engage the public,
Speaker 2: then I get it. That's good. If they capture the
Speaker 2: imagination of kids and they want to grow up to
Speaker 2: be a ecologist and they want to protect the environment,
Speaker 2: then then that's good. So not all bad.
Speaker 3: But I suppose it's an argument.
Speaker 1: But I mean, I've never actually felt, you know, inspired
Speaker 1: actually by the obvious. I've always felt inspired more by
Speaker 1: the little curious and the ones that I know about. Yes,
Speaker 1: that's a fascinating little thing. And so therefore, you know,
Speaker 1: I particularly like dunnucks. I like dunnucks not just because
Speaker 1: they've got sex lives of complete but also it's because
Speaker 1: they are dowdy. They are gray and brown, and that's it.
Speaker 1: You know, there's nothing to go, Oh wow, you're not
Speaker 1: going to have probably a painting of a Dunnok, honey
Speaker 1: wall Hey listen, we've got to stop in a minute
Speaker 1: because poor Amy's got to go. And you know, I've toalking,
Speaker 1: and you've got to go deer stalking. But here's a
Speaker 1: you know, poles as in polls, not the country people
Speaker 1: from the country poem. Here's a very interesting thing right
Speaker 1: at the moment, there's a lot of poles going back.
Speaker 1: It's got May the seventh local elections coming up. In
Speaker 1: a recent pole, who drinks what sort of milk? Will
Speaker 1: show you who you are going to vote for in
Speaker 1: the upcoming local elections. Right, if you drink whole milk,
Speaker 1: you are reformed.
Speaker 3: Through and through is going.
Speaker 1: If you drink semi skimmed milk, you'll reform through and
Speaker 1: through the Conservatives to in second, if you get fat
Speaker 1: free fully skimmed milk, you're still a reform voter. If
Speaker 1: you drink powdered milk, you vote labor. If you drink
Speaker 1: almond milk, you vote labor. If you drink o milk,
Speaker 1: you drink labor. If you drink soy milk, you drink labor.
Speaker 1: But get this, you have your tea black, your vote reform.
Speaker 1: So there you go. That's it. This is the sort
Speaker 1: of poles I want to see, is the sort of
Speaker 1: and this is it? Right any road we better wrap
Speaker 1: up because you've got to go and take photgorass of
Speaker 1: people shooting deer.
Speaker 3: I have got to.
Speaker 1: Do more research on bittens, So thank you very much
Speaker 1: for listening. Everybody, Bye,