Speaker 1: Welcome to political beat down. Michael Cohen and I and
this community is still standing. So we're still fighting. This
community doesn't give up. This community moves forward, This community builds,
this community supports each other. This community recognizes, of course
that the results were horrible, tragic, pick your word. But
also let's pick ourselves up together as a community and
do what we have to do. Do we want to
be in a resistance mode versus a build mode and
do great things for people and improve people's lives mode.
I would prefer to be in build people's lives mode
and help people move forward based on how President Biden
has actually led to some pretty great things that he
doesn't get enough credit for by any means. But we
talk about it here. But here we are, and I
want to let everybody know. I want to look you
in the eye through the YouTube channel or through the
audio and let you know, Michael Cohen and I and
our team are not going anywhere. Our resolve is stronger
than ever, and we build and we grow stronger. We're
here for you. We will always be here for you,
and you know, we just have to pick ourselves up.
That's my start at the beginning. But Cohen everybody wants
to hear from you.
Speaker 2: Yes, So let me say this to all of our brigators. Right,
despite the fact that the person who we wanted to
win did not win, I think it's very important that
everybody take the tempera. You're down for many different reasons.
One for your own health, but two in order to heal.
The country needs to heal. And many of you are
now saying to yourself in your mind, yet, but how
do we heal under an upcoming Trump administration? And you will.
And I'm going to say something that many of you
may find odd. I truly believe that the vitriolic rhetoric
that we have heard over the course of the last
ten months or so on Trump's campaign, I do not
believe that any of it will be that any of
it will come to fruition. I believe that at seventy
nine years of age, Donald Trump legitimately wants to use
this presidency as a legacy presidency. Now do I think
he's going to do mass deportation? Absolutely? Why do I
say that because in March of twenty seventeen, when I
was in in the Oval office with him, that was
the very first bill that he put forth and it
was a complete disaster. This time, I believe that they
have a different plan, maybe hopefully one that's actually thought
out and not thought out by Steve Bannon and Steve Miller,
but by people like Senator Langford. Maybe he's taking that
bill and putting it forward. But I want people to
stop with the dooman gloom. America will survive no matter what.
America has survived many things since its inception two hundred
and forty nine years ago. America will survive a Donald
Trump administration. And I think what we also need to
do is instead of constantly looking for the negative in him,
because there are things, and you've heard me say it
here on Political Beatdown, there are certain policies that Trump
puts forth that I actually agree with. For example, I
do believe that America should have type orders. I believe it.
My wife came here legally, my father came here legally,
friends of mine came here legally. People just don't have
the right to enter the country and stay and then
declare citizenship. So I do believe that. Now there are
parts of that citizenship application that I don't agree with,
but at the end of the day, no matter whether
you like it, or not, Donald Trump will be the
forty seventh president of the United States. We all should
want our president, regardless of your political affiliation. We all
should want our president to succeed, all right, we should
because if the president succeeds, America succeeds, meaning we all
get the benefit. And that's what we should want. My
hope in my prayer is that he acts more what's
the right word to say here, Ben, he acts more
that on inauguration Day January twentieth, he comes out and
he says, enough enough with the hatred, enough with the anger,
enough with the vitriol. What we want is we want
to be a unified United States of America. Please don't
say that you disagree. We all want America to be
its best. And he is going to be the president,
whether we like it or not. And what we need
to do is we and that's what Ben and I
are going to continue to do here. We're going to
continue to look at what is going on, and we're
going to continue to report on it truthfully and factually,
with accuracy and with facts. That's the important thing. If
he does something which is great for America, I swear
to you I will be the first one to come
out and say I think this is fantastic. Then may
not agree, but I think that this is fantastic. If
he does something which I find to be abhorrent, I
will be the first one, along with Ben, to turn
around and to say that I find what he is abhorrent.
And I truly hope that despite the fact that they'll
probably have the House, the Senate, and the Presidency and
the Supreme Court, I hope that it doesn't pass, and
I hope that we as citizens of this country, ensure
that that policy doesn't become law. This is just a reality,
and we have to live within the reality. So when
he says that he wants to be a dictator, I
don't he's going to become a dictator over the four years.
I don't believe that America's democracy is that easy to destroy.
When he says that he's going to publicly execute Mark
Milly for star General, I don't believe that that's going
to happen. I really believe at seventy nine years of age,
he wants this presidency to be a legacy presidency, and
a lot of this is going to be determined by
who ends up filling positions in the administration, So let's
just wait and see.
Speaker 1: Well, you know, I will always you know, where I
disagree with Michael Cohen, I will I will say so Cohen,
I appreciate that you believe that I I disagree with
what you just said vehemently. I think that he wants
to be a dictator on day one. I think bloody
mass deportations, which they say is going to happen in
and of itself, already tells you about how it's going
to be going. And look, you and I may you know, have.
Speaker 2: More disagreeable can I say? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I just look, I want to let you know that
I trust him and his administration literally zero. I think
they're going to do the things they say they're going
to do. And you and I may have hearty debates
about it one way or the other, but you know,
I'm prepared right now when to do what Gavin Newsom's saying.
When Gavin Newsom says we need an emergency special legislature
right now to hunker down and protect people's freedoms, and
I see that Trump's talking about bloody mass deportations, He's
talking about putting cash Fatel and Rick Grinnell, the head
of CIA. And you know, I mean, you know the
types of things that Rick and Cash have have said.
You know, I have no reason to give them any
benefit of the doubt. And you know the way look
what Biden said today about you know, I think we
have to recognize the results of the election are what
the results are. However, that doesn't mean we can you know,
someone says bloody mass deportation. That means people living here
will be ripped from their homes in bloody ways. So
you know, you and I may have a slight disagreement,
you know there over it.
Speaker 2: But what I I.
Speaker 1: Root for the country. But to me and rooting for
the country, Donald Trump already said, as you hear my
dogs in the background bark, and Donald Trump already lied
to us.
Speaker 2: He said the.
Speaker 1: War in Ukraine was gonna end up day one.
Speaker 2: And the war in Ukraine did it end today? Did
it end today? So he's already liar right. Let me say,
let me say one more, one more thing as it
relates to this. I say what I'm saying. First of all,
I am optimistic. Why because I know him. I've been
around him long enough to know he will say whatever
it takes in order to win what was the goal.
The goal was to win the presidency for multiple reasons.
The first and the most important, of course, is to
avoid the accountability for the lawsuits he is now won.
And I truly believe he will avoid all accountability, even
on the cases that have already been decided. I believe
he will. I do not believe Mershan is going to
sentence a president elect, you know, to prison or to jail,
or to anything. And I say this and again he
talks tough, but we've heard this sort of rhetoric before
and it never came to fruition. So my belief is
that at seventy nine years of age, seventy nine, he's
now accomplished something that has only been accomplished once before.
That's two non consecutive presidential terms. I believe he actually
wants to create a legacy for the name of one
that is not tainted with dictatorship, with you know, anarchy,
or any of the other sort of fascist words that
you want to throw in there. And honestly, it's what
I'm hoping. I don't have a crystal ball, right, I
could have that magic eight ball shaken. Do you think
that Donald try going to want to be a dictatory
day one. Shake again, you know, you shake again, and
it says no, yes, whatever it might. I don't have
a crystal ball. It's my hole, and I have a
lot of faith in, believe it or not, our democratic republic,
and also many of the people who are serving right now,
from as members of Congress, senators, governors, et cetera. I
have to otherwise our country is doomed already, Cohen.
Speaker 1: You know, I hope springs eternal, but I have to
just be as as blunt as I can be, which
is I have the mode in which I think what
needs to happen is that when someone says a government
that they're going to be a dictator on day one,
they're going to be a dictator on day one. And
I think that what's critical is that they're are modes
right now to figure out here's what they're doing here,
here's what they're doing here. I mean, look, you wanted
to see what the MAGA people are posting. I mean
they're out there on social media right now saying the
most saying the most heinous things about women, saying you know,
you know, you know, gloating over this, you know, I mean,
saying things like, it's my honor to inform you all
that Project twenty twenty five was real, was real the
whole time. I mean, the guy ran a campaign on retribution.
The whole campaign was to go after people. So now
that he has the power and he's appointing people to
get the retribution, how one can think that he's not
going to go and do the thing that he said
he does with absolute power. I mean, I truly think
what we're building here, whether it's with congressmen you know
Eric Swallwell on the show, we're going to have multiple
other members of Congresses to educate people what you can
do in this Like I want to hope. I want
to be in hope world.
Speaker 2: By the way, By the way, I want you to know,
and I've said this before, what I just said is
being said out of hope and optimism. I want that.
And again, knowing him better than pretty much almost anybody,
including some of the Syco fans that are still hanging
around him, I truly believe that there is no way
in the world that you're going to see public executions.
We said the.
Speaker 1: Same thing about Musk on Twitter. Remember when remember when
Musk went on Twitter and you said I think he's
going to use this platform, you know, because you're the
last half full, even in the crappiest of moments. And
this is why I love you as a close friend.
But I remember Musk takes over Twitter and the same
types of things you're saying now, you were saying about
Musk and you were saying, I don't think he's going
to turn And remember you said I don't think you're
going to go in that direction, because I honestly think
that you are. And I mean this sincerely, got everybody watching.
I've known Cohen now as the most loving family man.
Every time I speak to him, I hear about his
beautiful family, his wife, his daughter, his son, what they're doing.
I've never actually spoken to many people in my life
who have the kind of heart that Michael Cohen has.
At the same time, Cohen, you know when when Musk
came in, you know, you were saying, Hey, I think
that I I don't think everyone's saying he's going to
do terrible things. Would you agree that he made Twitter
even worse than your wilence?
Speaker 2: One hundred percent? One hundred percent. What I'm I'm trying
to be is I'm trying to be optimistic, but I
want to be a realist. You know, I see some
people say, you know, you gotta stay, stay the fighter
that you are. By the way, come January twentieth, as
whether I'm a Seal Team six fighter or whether I'm
an intergalactic warrior. Donald Trump is going to be inaugurated
as the forty seven president of the United States. Whether
we like it or not, that is a fact. My
belief is that the system will not allow him to
do the things that he had claimed that he wanted
to do. What we did over the course of the
past year on this program with our brigadors, with all
of you, is we called out the statements that he
made because they should have been without exaggeration. They should
have been the basis for him not to be either
elected president or even be allowed to run. But that
didn't happen. And so now that he accomplished, and remember,
Donald will say anything that he needs to say to win.
I believe a lot of the rhetoric, especially the ultra vitriolic.
The problem though, is MAGA still believes that crap. Where
he is really trying to now, I guess dial it
back a little bit, and that way you're not expecting
that other than.
Speaker 1: Your house, other than your hope. And I understand. Look,
anybody out there right now though in the chat or
whoever you know, you know that you think you know, like, hey, Cohen,
what do you mean by Cohen's been? Cohen took the
freaking stand against this guy from you know, from Cohen's
been in front of Congress nine times. So let me
say this about Cohen. There's probably no one who's trying
to hold this guy more accountable and put more of
his life in courtrooms, in congressional hearings and in general.
And who's who's been just so everybody knows and you
all know this from joining Cohen was put in solitary
confinement by this guy. So the fact that I'm having
this disagreement with Cohen very live and very and very publicly,
you know, one is my commitment to just giving you
my opinions. And I'm not just gonna as you all know,
I'm gonna give you my opinions if I disagree with them.
But I also think it's important to reflect on I
I don't know Trump the way you know him. I
wasn't testifying. I've I've stopped being doing my other job
to quit to create this media platform. But what I've
done is pals. Let me be clear to everybody, it
pales in comparison anywhere near Cohen and Cohen. I know
your close to this, but all I have to express
is there in my perspective, and I'm a little I'm
removed from this in a different way than you're not.
And I understand why you feel the way, but there's
He has done zero since the election to make me
believe he's moderating or modulating his language. In fact, every
data point I have from what his spokesperson Caroline Levitt
says to what Cash Patel says, he had Byron Donald's
Byron Donald's on talking about the deportations and what's going
to be critical right now, as you know what I
love for Midas not to be on the front lines
of resistance. Hell yes, I would like to talk about
expanding people's healthcare, making people, you know, improving the Infrastructure
Act stuff, not being in a mode of hey, everybody,
they're saying this, we need to contact these people in
your family to protect them. But that's the mode we're in,
and I just I don't know any data point that
you have to suggest that all of a sudden there's
major differences, you know, other than hope.
Speaker 2: I don't other than hope, which is how I started
it all by saying I have to and again I
do know him. Many things he has said over the
years which were very tough talk he never followed through on.
I can only hope because I love this country and
I love our brigaders, and you know, I want to
be optimistic. I want to be hopeful because without it,
what do we have to walk around right now for
the next seventy days in fear. I just don't think
that the systems. I don't think that fifty plus percent
of our population would stand for this horseshit. Whether he
has the courts, whether he has you know, whether he
has the Senate and or the House, it doesn't make
a difference. I just don't believe that Americans will stand
for imprisoning people because they're critics, or shutting down ABC,
NBCCBS because they said something bad about him, or shutting
down newspapers and so on, or instituting what is the Act,
the Insurrection Act, that he'll be able to hold people
for treason if they say things that are bad about
the President. I just don't buy it. I know that
it riled up his MAGA base, but I just don't
believe it as much as as much as it's possible.
Don't get me wrong, I just don't believe it. And
I don't want to live in fear, all right. I
don't want to live that he's going to do something,
because I promise you I will be the first one
to stand up and not permit it. All right. I
will not stop my fight simply. But I'm hoping, and
I'm optimistic somewhat that there won't be this type of fight.
Speaker 1: I spoke with congress Member Eric Swallwell earlier in the day.
Let me play for you, a congress Member. Swalwell said,
if we have it, Jeremy, let's play that note. So,
congress Member, not the result that people wanted. I'm telling
our audience, though, now is not the time to give up.
Not the time to give up hope. Now is the
time to get to work. You put out a message
today to that effect. What's your message to everybody out there?
Speaker 3: Yeah, let's get loud and let's get going. Because if
a young woman in Florida where a six week band
is now the law of the land can get up
today and find her way through, we can too.
Speaker 2: And if a soldier and a trench in eastern Ukraine.
Speaker 3: Who just saw their best ally walk away from them
can keep fighting, we can too. And if a high
school student who's going to go to school today in
a country that's going to arm mass shooters to the
teeth and they're still going to get through it.
Speaker 2: We can too. It doesn't feel good to lose. It sucks.
I hate it.
Speaker 3: I hate what this winner says about our country and
the people who make it so great. But we have
work to do. We've dealt with this guy before. He's
a one term president coming in. He's in serious cognitive decline.
We're not helpless. We are privileged to be among those
who can do something. And by the way, there's no
time to mourn or grieve for too long, because the
next play is going to happen pretty soon when he
starts to nominate all of the cabinet officials who will
implement Trump's Project twenty twenty five. So we got to
be loud.
Speaker 2: We have to get.
Speaker 3: In front of all of the senators who are going
to be voting on this and make our cases to
them as to why people like Rick Grennell and Cash
Betel and all these others in the rogues gallery cannot
be in charge of our country. Why our kids need
vaccine and we're not going to let RFK Junior as
the Health Secretary take them away. So there's a lot
of plays coming down the field, and so we should
you be upset, but let's put our helmets on, get
back on the field and defend you know, the yardage
between us and Project twenty twenty five becoming the law
of the land.
Speaker 1: I agree with that. Let me be very clear though,
to all the mightas mighty out there, this network will
be on the front lines of the resistance against fascism period,
full stop, each and every day. And there may be disagreements,
there will be resistance here and we will not let
fascism take over at any point take over this country
and hope springs eternal. But also we've got to be
clear eyed. I think in some of these situations, I
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So one of the ways we build is through those
pro democracy sponsors. Now, Colin, I want to as part
of you know, my assessment of what we do here.
For those who have been watching my videos, I don't
think it's been productive to, you know, to point the
finger and blame this group or blame that group. I
think it's important to learn how to build coalitions in
order to win. But I'll tell you to take honestly,
that pisses me off the most. Right now, it's people,
and you may disagree with this. We may get into
more heated debates on this episode. It's people who are
blaming President Biden, and there there are a group of
people out there who are attacking Biden. We had to
dig ourselves up from what Biden created. I hear that
over and over again, and for those who watch this,
you know that I was one of the voices out
there that was saying originally that I think that President
Biden should not have dropped out at that time. I'm
on the record of saying it, so it's not a shocker.
I wanted to make sure you know, we were supportive
of what happened after. I think Vice President Kamala Harris
and Governor Wallas, in my view, they ran a good campaign.
She clearly won the debate, you know, and I thought
that that they had a unifying message. But the people
who are saying we had to pick ourselves up from Biden,
Let's be clear. Biden in twenty twenty got eighty one
million votes. Say what you want to say. He was
able to build a coalition that was a winning one. Also,
in my view, if people spent the same amount of
time on the Democratic side tearing Biden down, a boy,
were they good at a Cohen when they wanted to
go op eds every freaking day twenty four Imagine a Democrat.
Imagine if you all spent ten percent of the time
actually explaining what his economic record truly was and explaining
that America was leading the world in GDP, that the
Infrastructure Act, the Inflation Reduction Act that was led by
Biden led to historic investments. Maybe if you spent the
same amount of time as attacking a successful incumbent president
actually messaging that Biden supported a bipartisan border bill that
was being killed, rather than buying into right wing talking
points to attack your successful president. That's my hot take
on it. By the way, I think Kamala and Walls
they did what they had to do. I thought that
I was supportive of the campaign. I'm not making any
comments ooh, do I think that it would have been
different if this happened or that. My point is that
there's a lot of pointing fingers and blaming, and the
one that pisses me off the most where I will
vocalize it on this show are those who say we
had to dig out of Biden or Biden this dig
out of someone who got the person who beat him
and rather than help him and run to his side,
to tear down a good freaking person, a decent man,
that one I just I have to I have to
call that out here on beat down.
Speaker 2: Look, let me let me say this because I know
that there's a lot. First of all, there's a ton
of trolls that are that are here today, and everybody
is welcome at the political beatdown, you know, Indictment Watch
and our Midas Touched network show. Everybody's welcome. But here's
the important thing to understand it. First and foremost, Joe
Biden came out yesterday in a short but in a
suite and in a wonderful, wonderful way, in just a
few minutes five minutes of a speech, went ahead and
acknowledged that the election was fair. Do you know how
many people in our comments so far had said that
there was some election fraud and so on. Let's not
be like them. Everything isn't a conspiracy theory. Let's not
dream something up that didn't happen. All right, the American
people spoke, It's not what I wanted that I can
assure you, and its why for at least a year
we were talking about you have to listen to what
he's saying in order to make the determination that he
is not best suited over someone like Kamala Harris to
run this country for the next four years, but that's
not what the plurality of Americans decided. So here's what
they did not cheat, And we have to stop it
because we sound as ridiculous as they are. Everything is
not a conspiracy theory. So let's just calm ourselves and
understand that our democracy, our democratic republic, is really strong
and it will not, my hope allow for the bullshit
that they're talking about to ultimate. Do I say none
of it will occur? No, I believe some of it
will occur. But do I believe that we will end
up in a dictatorship or a fur a scenario. I
pray to God no, because I want to be able
to leave to my children, and God will leave one
day my grandchildren and willing great grandchildren. I want to
leave them a better country than what I inherited from
my parents and grandparents and so on. Isn't that what
we're all supposed to want? So take it, take it down,
take it down. All we can do is wait and see.
People are either here or they're here all right, and
nobody knows what's going to happen. I'm just positing a
different stance whereby we understand we will remain a brigade,
we will remain active. And there are many people like
Congressman Swallowell, like Congressman Rasking, like dozens of members of
Congress and the Senate that also feel that we will
keep an eye on everything that's going on, and we
will call it out, and we will create our brigade
in order to ensure that if they go ahead and
they try to do stupid things that will destroy our democracy,
that we will put a stop to it somehow, some way.
Speaker 1: Well until there's some miraculous magic wand that erases every
time he says he wants to be a dictator on
day one, and a magic wand that removes the Supreme
Court giving this individual absolute immunity to engage in the
dictatorial ambitions. And the only things that I've seen so
far when you say Cohen that you know, maybe he'll
do some of the things, Okay, let's let's just say this.
Let's just say some of the things. And you've and
you've said earlier in the show that you think he's
going to do bloody deportations, right, you said that, right, correct.
Speaker 2: I believe that there will be a mass deportation.
Speaker 1: Okay, So one, okay, so on day one. What you're
agreeing with me on is that he will do bloody
mass deportations.
Speaker 2: I don't know about bloody deportations, but mass deportations definitely.
They will start working on that day number.
Speaker 1: When you say you don't think it'll be bloody, uh uh.
Speaker 2: Not not well hold on, hold on, I didn't say
that it's not going to be bloody. I just believe
that they will try to do it where it's not bloody,
but they will try to pass.
Speaker 1: Let let's play it out. Knock knock, who's there, Ice,
We're coming for your family. Knock knock, who's there? Where
the police? Why are you here? We're looking for grandma.
We're looking for so and so. Okay, Uh, come on in.
Uh it's okay, Hey hey grandma, they're here for you. Okay,
all right, bye, I see you later. That's not how
it's How.
Speaker 2: Do you think? Let me tell you how I think.
Speaker 1: It's gonna It's gonna go down like this, we're putting
in your house. That's how they's gonna go down. And
then you're gonna say, no, you're not touching my freaking grandma.
Speaker 2: You're not touching what I think? What I think? Well,
and that's.
Speaker 1: Gonna and that's gonna happen right now in America among
people who are actually contributing to our economy and a
deflationary period. I mean, let's we have to be clear idea.
Speaker 2: So even the thing happens, well, okay, let me say
what I what I believe will ultimately happen. Right off
the bat, there are locations, hotels, et cetera, where they
have migrants that are stayed. I don't believe they're going
knock knock knock on people's home doors, not yet. I
believe at first what they're going to do is they're
going to take the migrants that are now under government assistance,
whether it's in the hotels and so on, and they're
going to round them up either put them on buses
or planes, and they're going to take them over the border.
That's exactly what I believe that he's going to do,
because it's easy for them to They already know where
these people are. That's gonna happen.
Speaker 1: You think they're just gonna take it. I mean, if
you have, you think they're just gonna so. So there's
gonna be like, hey, yeah, let's go on this great
trip everybody.
Speaker 2: We're ready, We're ready.
Speaker 1: We've been here for thirty years. See everybody.
Speaker 2: People are not here thirty years. These people are here
for six months, for seven months. I'm talking about the migrants.
But right now, well do you base that on our
migrants that are in hotels? All right? The migrants that
are right now in communities that are already being subsidized
by government because it's easy for them to round them up.
And what it does for Trump is it shows his
base that he's fulfilling a promise that he made.
Speaker 1: Okay, well, look, there's probably a subset of individuals who
are here working their asses off to do jobs that
other people don't want to do, and they'll be bloodily
mass deportated or have bloody MAT's deportations. There is a
group of people, though, and I don't know where you know,
we're positing that he's not going to go after the
people who are who don't have their papers for thirty
years or twenty years, or ten years or forty years.
But I suspect that when Steven Miller is put in
charge of that, not only has Steven Miller said that
he's going to go after them, but he can go
after people who were born here in the United States
because they don't believe in citizenship on the basis of
people who were born here. You take what they said.
I mean, the videos of Steven Miller from high school
is videos of him attacking janitors and saying, you're supposed
to pick up my food, you know. I mean, these
are not people who have engaged in behavior that leads
me to believe, all right, we're just trying to appease
the base here. We're going after this group of people.
Even if they went after that group of people, could
you imagine the civil and social unrest that would be
caused targeting people who are in this country. Throwing people
on buses. I mean, we're gonna have images of people
being loaded onto buses because they're here doing jobs that,
by the way, decrease inflation, you know, whether we like
it or not, and work in their ass. That's what
we want to see every day on the news and
on TV. I mean, that would that would even break
my heart. But the moment they would start knocking on
doors and and and say that's what they say they're
gonna do, I just think we have to go into
this clear eide.
Speaker 2: I think while you're talking about being clearoid, you don't
have the crystal ball. Neither do I. And maybe I
am being stupidly optimistic. Maybe I'm being stupidly hopeful, but
I would like to believe that we're better than them.
I would like to believe that the American people. I
believe he's going to go after the low hanging fruit
with the migrants. I don't believe that the Daka or
those that have been here thirty years and so on,
are going to be able to be supported. I just.
Speaker 1: I mean, look, we have to forget being clear. Let's
let's let's just going after low hanging fruit. Okay, we're
talking about human and I know you know this and
this this, we're talking about human beings. We're not talking
about you know, and I know it's an analogy. We're
still talking about people. And we're the United States of America.
So even if in my view, you took away everything else,
everything else, he doesn't do, but low hanging fruit means
going after a group of human beings and treating them
worse than we would actually treat cattle, or even treating
them as equivalent of cattle. We're still the United States
of America, and that's not how we act. I don't
want to see human beings even if they're if they're migrants,
there's still human there's still human beings who deserve to
be treated like human beings at that level, you know.
But then I don't have a crystal ball, but I
have a memory of everything that's been said and a
memory of what's being said yesterday. And my memory is
what I'm going And I'm.
Speaker 2: Just trying to say that I find that a lot
of what Trump says talk is cheap. It's being like
a texting tough guy and so on, you know, like
the way that many of the trolls here are. You know,
my point being, there are still systems in place. I
believe he is dangerous, and I believe that the people
around him are very, very dangerous, but I do believe
that the system will prevent much of what Donald keeps
talking about at least. Again. Let me say is I
may be foolishly optimistic and hopeful, and I may be
trying to project some goodness onto a group of bad people. Yeah,
I may be guilty of that, but I want to
live in a country where freedom and democracy reigns. Even
though I am not you me. I am the first
and the one and only political prisoner held by this
country because I used to waive my First Amendment constitutional right.
But what ultimately happened, Thank God for Judge Alvin k. Hellestein,
a guy who could not be corrupted by anybody, went
ahead signed the habeas petition and ultimately had me returned.
All right, that there are systems, I'm hoping there are systems.
Speaker 1: Well, you could hope, but that was before there was
absolute immunity.
Speaker 2: And now community ben only applies to him, not to
any of the others that carry out his wishes. And
once it only applies to him.
Speaker 1: Okay, well, then well then what happens when his justice
department does it?
Speaker 2: You're going to assume that's a problem.
Speaker 1: Okay, Well, you know we here. Here's what I think,
and I believe that first and foremost, more than anybody
in this country or perhaps equal to the top tier,
that you've sacrificed literally you've been put in a prison
cell and solitary confinement. I believe that you're very close
to the situation. And I believe that this what has
occurred right now, given your past situations and the sacrifice
that you have as a survival reaction to all of this.
The reaction, it's hard to fathom it. I can't put myself.
Speaker 2: In your Maybe I'm being as gullible as my father
and his family. Hold on. Maybe I'm being as glible
as my father and his family when they were in Poland,
in Bohnia, cracked al and Tarnell Poland, and they never
thought in their wildest imagination that something is bad as
the Nazis would actually occur, and the horrible, horrific things
that took place. Maybe I'm being naive. I'll acknowledge that
maybe I'm being gullible, and I don't think you're being However,
I do truly want to be optimistic because at this
present moment, while we need to stay vigilant, and we
need to stay we need to stay in control of
ourselves and try to protect one another, there's very little
that we can do. So I am truly hoping that
the systems will prevail. I know.
Speaker 1: Look, it's not for me or anybody in this chat
to say Cohen, you're being naive or gullible. What you've
done in standing up to this before is something that
we can't Nobody.
Speaker 2: Else has done. Nobody else in this country has done.
Speaker 1: So none of us should be judging that you're gullible
or you're whatever. I'm simply providing you with the respective
of someone who's not lived your life experience to say,
here's the data. Not a crystal ball, but here's the
data that for me suggests a certain thing. We're having
spirited debate here and discussion. We have one quick break
that we have to take. Let's take that quick break
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Speaker 2: And this are just some other things. But that's how
we go. Can I say something real quick? So one
of our brigadors, Lady Cat, turned around and she says
something which I totally agree with. What's wrong with having hope?
If you don't have hope, what do you have fear?
Let me set each and every one of you straight,
all right. I stood up to Donald Trump while you
watched me on television, either being taken away or being reincarcerated,
or watching as I was self surrendering at Otisville. I
stood up. I stood up for over forty plus hours
testifying against a man who is now going to be
the president of the United States. And I want to
be very clear about something if in fact my hope
is wrong, I will stand up again. I'm not running anywhere.
I'm not going anywhere. This is my country, where my
family is. I don't I don't run. I didn't run before.
I'm not running again. I just want to be hopeful
and optimistic, plain and simple.
Speaker 1: I want to talk about we we if those who
watched beat Down probably what maybe two months ago you
and I had another kind of spirited debate and discussion
and it was about gen Z. Do you remember it?
Cohen and I had And one of the things that
I had said then, you know, was I said, the
one area that I don't have real insight on right now,
you know, which I needed to dig into more. You know,
we had talked about, you know, a growing issue specifically
with Latino men swinging to Trump, and we saw that,
but but people had been talking about that then. The
thing that I had flagged was gen Z men were
sixteen seventeen during the pandemic who were now watching the
Logan Paul's and the Rogans and the Theo Vonn's and
you know, all of those you know pods, And I
think about if I was their age when I was
at GW where I went to college, the types of
things that I would be watching, and I remember I
was saying, how there is a pipeline from kind of
gamer to kind of right wing podcasts. But some of
the masquerade as you know, just talking about sports or
talking about girls, or talking about humor or doing jokes,
and then they kind of bring you, you know, whether
kind of directly or just kind of through the funnel
of you know, all these people you know, to a
level that's a little more political in nature, and it
starts getting pretty maga ish, and then it kind of
brings you into the maga fold. The right wing billionaires
know about this. They're spending a lot of money on
that funnel. Leonard Leo, who's rearranged the courts with the
Federalist Society, is spending his money directly there. But very
frequently when you saw high gen Z turnout, a lot
of that split fairly evenly, and you would see people
you know who were you know, you know, these guys
in college who were voting for Trump, and and people
would the orthodoxy would be, oh gen Z voters, They're
they're clearly going to vote for you know what there
in theory on paper, what their interests are they'll be
more liberal, they'll vote for you know, they'll vote for Democrats.
But it did college age students not necessarily going in
that direction. And so why am I bringing it up
because I think one of the things that we have
to do and we have to kind of, you know, recalibrate,
because the right wing has used alpha and used alpha
in the sense of punching down at marginalized communities, bullying people,
mocking people, mocking the other, taking away women's rights as
being this kind of you know, alpha thing, when that's
not alpha. I think respecting people and standing up for people,
you know, you know, is alpha. But as we have
to rebuild and reconsider and rethink, we have to learn
certain lessons. And to me, there should never be a
lesson where you know, democrats are pro democracy. Messaging has
to be well, look the other sides, demeaning people or
attacking people's fundamental rights. So if we want voters, that's
the wrong lesson. But the right lesson is you have
to speak to communities and you have to talk to
them and you and you can't ignore communities and just
think that they're going in certain directions. And that was
one of the major factors. When you look at the data,
where did Trump gain those voters? He gained the voters
in certain specific areas. So I flag that here, and
you and I had that debate if you.
Speaker 2: Remember, yep, you know. One of the other things that
I just want to say is I will remain hopeful
and optimistic that things aren't going to be as bad
right as all the various different vitriolic comments that he
has made over the course of the campaign, until such
time as I no longer can be optimistic and hopeful.
And then and then and only then, well, I come
out as I have done before, as I have done
and suffered over the last six years. I'm willing to
go the extra mile for this country, for America's Democratic Republic.
But at this moment, nothing, there's nothing going on other
than let's just turn around and try to see where
we fucked up as the Democratic Party, to try to
understand going forward what was wrong, plain and simple, and
the worst thing that we can do is try to
blame it on Iran, Russia, North Korea and so on,
that this is fixed and we need investigations into it.
That's the worst thing we could do. There were mistakes
that were made in fact, just so many of you know.
I had multiple conversations with the Harris campaign on things
that I felt was going wrong and completely ignored it.
Whereas what Trump does is they have talking points that
go out every single day. There lies, but they're talking points,
and everybody stays on the same message, so it gets
regurgitated over and over and over again, plain and simple.
Let me just end this episode today with my two
fingers salute goes to anyone who didn't vote. All right,
I'm not even gonna turn around and say who you
should vote for. Too many Americans didn't vote, and those
Americans fuck you because our situation right now, because I
truly believe that Kamala Harris would have been a better
president going forward than Donald Trump. But at the end
of the day, the American people spoke. We all need
to stay hopeful, my opinion, we need to stay optimistic
until such time as we don't until such time as
there's actual information and a reality that something is going
the wrong way. And then you're gonna come and you're
gonna see me in action, along with people like Ben
and Swallwell and Rare Skin and dozens of other people.
Speaker 1: I give the two fingers salute to anybody who's talking
about mass deportations right now the way Byron Donald's on
maga Is and Caroline Levitt. If you think it's alpha
to rip apart families in bloody mass deportation exercises to
appeal to voters, then I say f you, because America
is so much better than that. And the fact that
in the past twenty four hours they've been messaging mass
deportations and to people who voted to deport their own
family members, for you're in for a rude awakening when
ice is knocking at your doors. But here's the thing.
If you did that, if you voted to deport your
own relatives, guess what, I'm not still going to abandon you.
And there are some creators out there who were like,
you're on your own, see you later, good luck with that.
That's not the messaging that comes out of midas touched,
because that's not how I feel. If I see a
fellow human being, even someone who voted against their interest,
whose family member is now suffering in the United States
of America, I cannot lie, just not in my nature.
I'm sorry. I can't look at you and be like well,
guess what you did that? Screw you, bye bye. I
believe that we still have to be the voice for
people out there, and I don't want to see human
beings in the United States of America who are suffering
at all at the hands of our government. So this
network will be the front lines of resistance to that. Sure,
hope may spring eternal, but we got to look at
this for what it is, and we're gonna call it
out each and every day. Every morning, there will be
bulletins of what's happening, what they're saying, how to protect
family members, what to do. We're gonna highlight leadership like
that from Gavin Newsom, who's already calling a special session
in the California legislature to protect the state of California
and to protect its citizens and its people. Here. We're
going to highlight other governors who step up. We did
a video, or we're going to release a video on
Jerome Powell, chairman of the Federal Reserve, who says he's
not leaving even if Donald Trump tells him that he
has to go. We are going to fight for our
institutions here, and I look forward to a day where
again it could be more RESTful where we can be
talking more about building. I would have freaking loved that
today to talk about that. And to all the trolls
in here, you're just trolling yourself. I'll tell you why,
because you're never going to take love out of my heart.
Even if he comes after you trolls, which I'm sure
he'll probably do one day, I'm still gonna fight for
your civil rights. I'm still gonna be on the front lines.
When I was a civil rights lawyer, I didn't ask
my clients if they were Democrats or Republicans, if they
were suffering at the hands of the government, I was
there by their side. And the commitment that I make
to all of you, Midas Mighty, is that's what we're
gonna do. That's what this network is going to be about.
We love you, we're grateful for you, and we have
no place to go but to grow, but to protect,
but to support, but to defend our constitution and our
values and our principle. So you could all troll on that.
Thanks for watching, and we'll see you next time. On
Political Beatdown,