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Speaker 6: Right, welcome back in I renumber two OTB one oh
four five ESPN, Matton Rouge game. Wake that it is
that it is sir, it's also eight am, right you are.
So the last couple of weeks we have been doing
the OTB Top twenty five.
Speaker 5: It's basically.
Speaker 6: It's basically the rankings that everybody's going to go off
of eight people doesn't matter.
Speaker 5: Coaches pull certainly does not matter.
Speaker 6: This is the OTB Top twenty five, and so this remember,
we're going to go you know, six, five, four, three,
and then on Friday, the last day before boot meets ball,
we're gonna go too and one for our two best
teams in the country. Here a quick recap before we
get to Tayyay with the number sixteen in the OTB
Top twenty five at twenty five, Boise he State at
twenty four, Memphis twenty three, Baylor twenty two, Georgia Tech
twenty one, Tennessee twenty, Iowa State nineteen, Texas eight and
four eighteen, Indiana seventeen, Old Miss sixteen, Florida fifteen, Texas
Tech fourteen, SMU thirteen, Arizona State, twelve, Alabama eleven, Miami ten,
Illinois nine, Texas eight, Oregon seven Notre Dame and number six.
Speaker 5: Heyday, we go number six.
Speaker 1: We are staying in the SEC. We have the Georgia.
Speaker 7: Buza, we will go down.
Speaker 5: Say what do you say?
Speaker 7: Say now?
Speaker 2: So, look, they're obviously breaking in a new quarterback with
Gunnar Stockton. We saw him playing a few big time
games and like he held his own.
Speaker 1: I mean, they didn't ask him to do a ton in.
Speaker 2: That game against Texas, but Georgia wins that game.
Speaker 1: I think it's Notre Dame.
Speaker 2: He goes twenty of thirty two, two thirty four touchdown,
no picks like Notre Dame in Texas. You could argue
those were the two de best defenses in all of
college football last year. Gunner Stockton thrown into the fire
and he didn't collapse, he didn't fold, So credit to
him there. Now they're breaking in a lot of new
pieces on offense. Four of their five starting offensive lineman
from a year ago or gone, but the one that
is back is Ernest Green, their left tackle, which is
big for a guy like Gunner Stockton. Oscar Delp and
lost in Lucky, a tight end are both back. Dylan Bell,
receiver from a year ago, he's back as well. So
a few weapons for Gunner Stockton to play with as
far as last year goes now at running back, it's
gonna be a committee like we've seen the past few years.
And Nate Frasier back, he had six hundred and seventy
one yards last year.
Speaker 1: He was kind of their lead back.
Speaker 2: And then you bring in Josh McCrae, the Illinois transfer.
He had six hundred yards and double digit rushing touchdowns
for the Fighting the Lion I last year. That's a
pretty good one to two punch in the backfield. Just
three returning starters on defense. But let's be honest, it's
Kirby smarties aren't the benefit of the doubt. Guys always
going to have a good defense. You bring in the
Branch brothers, Zion and Zachariah. We'll see if the hype
finally turns into on field production.
Speaker 1: We'll see what happens there.
Speaker 2: Look a lot of young talent, second rank recruiting class
in twenty twenty five, so some new faces in new places,
but there's a lot.
Speaker 1: Of talent there.
Speaker 2: Nonetheless, I do like their schedule the more I look
at it. I mean, look, it's tough, but you don't
play LSU, you don't play Texas A and M. You
don't play Ole miss you don't play Missouri you do
get Mississippi State, Kentucky, and Auburn. Now you have Alabama
and Texas on that schedule. Both of those games are
in Athens. Though your toughest road game is Tennessee away,
that's your toughest away game.
Speaker 1: But you got Alabama and.
Speaker 2: Texas at home, and you avoid some of the other
heavy hitters in the SEC. So for those reasons, I
got the Georgia Bulldall sitting there at number six.
Speaker 6: Yeah, look, Georgia is somebody that you have to continue
to respect. It doesn't really matter, you know, who they
start over with at really any position because of what
Kirby Smart has built there. Now, this team right here
has got more question marks than they certainly have had
in the past, and you laid out some of those,
like even a Zachariah Branch. We have heard so many
times how good Zachariah Branch was and we just haven't.
Speaker 5: Seen it on the field.
Speaker 6: And it's like, how dare you say that Zachariat Branch
isn't the top transfer in the SEC. It's I guess
he had five hundred yards receiving last year, which is solid,
but it's not game changing in his career. He's only
got a little bit over eight hundred yards receiving, and
so like Georgia is banking on Zachariah Branch finally living
up to all the hype that everybody's built him up
to be coming over from USC and the thing is
they have to have him be that guy. They really
struggled last year with weapons with Carson Beck like receiver.
The running backs were good, but they weren't as good
as they've typically been. Now Georgia's really set a standard
at running back, but the weapons were a real issue.
So you go get Zachariah Branch, you go get Noah
Thomas from Texas A and m another five hundred yard receiver,
but they.
Speaker 5: Need a receiver one.
Speaker 6: They need somebody to go take that and be close
to a thousand yard receiver if Georgia wants to get
back to the National Championship.
Speaker 5: Conversation.
Speaker 6: I like Nate Frasier running back, but you can't do
it anymore just running the football, even if you do
play great defense like Georgia, in a new playoff, you're
going to come up with a team that is going
to score points and can you keep up with them?
Speaker 5: Now?
Speaker 6: I said it the other day when we were breaking
down Notre Dame, who is our number seven team. Notre
Dame brought the fight to Georgia. They were the more
physical football team. That doesn't happen to Georgia, but it
did that day in the Superdome, and so they got
to get back to having that, Hey we're Georgia, We're
going to strike fear in ours because last time out
they got big boy.
Speaker 8: Yeah, Georgia seems like the team that is just they're
just old, old faithful, just trust the SEC. Hard knows
they're going to kind of look and emulate that classic
SEC style football team. Really good bigs, good defense. They're
going to hold you to some low scoring games and
just be a scrappy bunch that's gonna be a hard beat.
And you know, Kirby Smart has, like Taylor said, has
earned the benefit of the doubt on everything. They're gonna
be a really good football team. I am not real
high on Gunner Stockton as of right now at the
quarterback position. I think they're gonna lack the fire power
power at quarterback and receiver this year to make a
run to a championship. So I like the spot being
at six because they're gonna be really good. They're gonna
be in the playoffs. But how far can Stockton take them?
That remains to be seen. And I don't think he
did anything last year to prove to me that he
is going to be an SEC championship, a national championship
calib caliber, full time starter for them.
Speaker 7: We'll see, though, that remains to be seen. He was
a young guy.
Speaker 8: He can make a lot of improvements, and he did
a lot of things really well off schedule, but it
all kind of looked hard. But that he did it
last year just it just looked difficult. It didn't look
like it was plays that could be sustained over the
length of a season, weekend week out on the SEC
schedule and into the playoffs. So I looked to them
to be very incredibly good, incredibly talented, dangerous. Is gonna
win a lot of games. They're gonna win, you know,
it'll be a ten, probably a ten plus maybe so,
but I like to pick at six. I don't think
they got that firepower to make a big playoff run.
Speaker 2: I'm glad you mentioned that because, like, you know what,
I've in the hairline, but I found out I was
doing six. It's like Okay, here's where I'm putting Penn State.
Speaker 1: I'm not nearly as high on them as everybody else.
Speaker 2: I was looking at their weapons like I can't do it,
especially running back, like they got the best duo in
the country.
Speaker 1: And I get that we in this.
Speaker 2: Room are not as high on Drew Aller as everybody else.
At least we know what the hell we're gonna get.
I cannot put Georgia higher than six. And he might
turn out to like he might.
Speaker 8: Be right now, and we had seen him what I
saw good plays, but it also looked hard like all
the plays he made were like off schedule type. Okay,
off sedle type throws. It wasn't really working an offense,
and that's what you gotta do. It could be consistently good.
Now he's gonna win some games and the talent's gonna
show out. I mean, incredibly high recruit. So he's got
the talent, he's got the skills, and he's gonna win
some games for them.
Speaker 7: It can't be consistent enough to take a team like that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's gonna be. It's gonna be different for the
Georgia Bulldogs. Certainly.
Speaker 6: Moose, what do you think about the Georgia Bulldogs coming
in at number six.
Speaker 9: Yeah, the youth on Georgia this year is really intriguing
to me. I mean, Kirby's smart harped on at a
bunch of SEC media days, and maybe that was just
the talking point that he wanted to get across. But
over fifty percent of their roster is underclassman this year.
Speaker 1: I get it.
Speaker 9: They roll in a bunch of recruits and they just
kind of rolled, but they've had a lot more veterans
on that team in recent memory. In this run, break
in a new quarterback with all that youth around, when
I mean Flynn, you were talking about Gunner Stockton where
it's not just like wow stuff from him that is intriguing.
The schedule is tough now they don't have to open
with Clemson again like they did a year ago. But
that was our George's best game they played all year
outside of maybe one of the Texas games.
Speaker 4: But when you look at offense.
Speaker 9: Defense, the opener was really their best game and it
was kind of just piecing it together from there. So, man,
with all that youth breaking in a new quarterback, this
is gonna be one of Kirby's more challenging teams to
make it all come together quickly.
Speaker 4: I think for George, I think they could.
Speaker 9: They could end up surprising people late when if they
get in, but it might be some growing pains throughout
the year for the Bulldogs.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Luckily for them, they open up with Marshall at home
and Austin Py at home, and so that gives them
the opportunity for that new that we're talking about maybe
to come together, because then it goes at Tennessee intern Alaba.
Speaker 8: Points as you say, like their big two games games,
and they're the biggest road game at tennes City.
Speaker 1: This is their only tough road game.
Speaker 7: I mean, and who do you say again? They have.
Speaker 1: The state of Kentucky and Auburn, but you know, I.
Speaker 6: Mean they're now their home opponents Alabama, Old miss Uh,
Florida's and Jacksonville of course, and then Texas, so they
got tough opponents, but none of them are at an
opposing state.
Speaker 2: And then the Georgia Tech game we talked about moved
from Georgia Tech to that's not a true road game.
Speaker 6: That should be God, I know you want some more money,
but now it's going to be eighty twenty Georgia fans
that should be in lobby.
Speaker 7: God, we talked about it earlier.
Speaker 5: I heard something like some crazy stats.
Speaker 6: I mean millions they're getting for moving that game to Mercedes,
And I get it.
Speaker 4: It's a lot.
Speaker 5: It's like it's like twelve million.
Speaker 1: It's a lot.
Speaker 6: Yeah, like twelve million bucks to move that game. I
get it. I get it. But I just know it's
going to be an away game for you. That's supposed
to be a home game. It's in your city, but
Athens is down the road and it's gonna be eighty twenty,
So come on, brient key.
Speaker 8: I don't know, man, I gotta still on the Uh,
Georgia Tech fan base is gonna show out this year.
Speaker 6: I'm not saying it's a bad fan base, but when
Georgia plays in Atlanta, it doesn't matter if they're playing.
Speaker 5: Texas, Alabama, l s U, whoever.
Speaker 6: Those fans traveled, But it's an hour down the road
from your campus, and half of Atlanta is Georgia fans.
Speaker 5: I'd say eighty's the.
Speaker 7: Biggest Georgia Tech donor. It needs to buy off the tickets.
Speaker 5: It's an engineering school, right, Yeah, gotta.
Speaker 7: Be a biggie you gotta be a big one of them,
all right, Man.
Speaker 9: They went into Sanford Stadium last year and almost came
up with the victory. Yeah, I don't think there'd be
you know, intimidated by eighty twenty and Mercedes Benz.
Speaker 5: That canna be intimidated.
Speaker 6: Because if there is a group of meatthads and college
footbri teams intimidated, is Georgia Tech. I mean, Haynes King
ain't gonna care. I'm just saying, like you lost a
valuable home game. I think Georgia.
Speaker 7: Tech's gonna win. Though one they're making a playoffs.
Speaker 5: I would love for them to make the playoffs.
Speaker 8: They would go against our top twenty five, which I'm
still mad at you about.
Speaker 5: But me, you put him at twenty two. The AP
and the coaches didn't even put him in that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they were not.
Speaker 5: Higher than anybody.
Speaker 8: We don't listen to those poles. Those poles are dumb.
Ours is factual Georgia Tech My test twelve though. George W.
Speaker 7: Woodrow George W.
Speaker 6: Gave Georgia Tech thirty seven and a half million dollars
in his will.
Speaker 5: That is one of the largest private gifts ever received
by the school.
Speaker 4: That's strong.
Speaker 9: But it was in his will, so I mean he's
kind of dead.
Speaker 1: He's a little bit.
Speaker 6: It's a little bit of this Alexander Dorris gave. He
raised over seventy eight million dollars. Uh, listen teket score,
they had the at fund. So we'll see if we
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Speaker 5: Know, sloppy, is rained a little bit, but it went once.
Speaker 6: They kind of honed in and short everything up and
the ball was on the ground a lot.
Speaker 5: I know that.
Speaker 6: But first game of the year conditions weren't great. But
at least farm again lived up to the hype.
Speaker 7: What a start. What did college football start? Is incredible?
Speaker 6: It was like that was too like old school throwback
head head football team.
Speaker 8: And it's even perfect, like in a terrible field. I'm on, Ireland,
what are we doing? I blame you Ireland. The whole
country also a better field.
Speaker 2: We get some better paint in Ireland before, even before
it started raining, you could barely read that crap and
then it happened last year.
Speaker 7: It's like that.
Speaker 8: That's what I was gonna say. It's like the child
proof type paint. It kind of watches the ways they
follow it, like you touch it. And that's exactly right.
They were just playing on the park. Got a bad park.
Speaker 4: That field has never been good. It hasn't like ever.
Speaker 6: Just yeah, it's not made for for athletes that size,
you know that meant for three hundred pounders putting those
in the grass, athletic powerful quick people.
Speaker 2: Is that a soccer thing though, because like I noticed,
like I'll watch like every time I watch soccer, like
fields faded.
Speaker 1: It's not like crisp white lines or anything like.
Speaker 7: That, Like oh, Taylor, it's a pitch actually it is.
Speaker 5: Bitch Yeah, stretch actually that's what they call them.
Speaker 8: Strip up the boots while wearing kits. Soccer is objectively dumb,
says from the guy that watches people riding bicycles for
a month long.
Speaker 6: Everybody in the world knows how to ride a bike.
I guess everybody can't kick a soccer ball is that
as easy. It is just kick and not everybody knows
how to ride a bike.
Speaker 7: Who doesn't.
Speaker 5: There's plenty of.
Speaker 8: Roy ktt didn't know. Roy Kat didn't he didn't know.
It's fair, great point soccer player can't trust them.
Speaker 6: Like, I'm okay with you making fun of soccer if
you didn't sit there for a month and watch people
riding bikes on your laptop.
Speaker 4: In the show during the show, I mean that that
that's it's fan.
Speaker 6: You're making fun of kids and boots when the people
that you were watching were wearing like singlets, spandex, which
is fine because I'm not going.
Speaker 8: But the little toddap I gotchas didn't go. Those dudes
like thousands of miles over a three week period of time.
All your guys do is fake injured m cool these
guys riding down mountains. It's only the most pocketage you
kidding me, gradial collar bones in the world.
Speaker 6: Yeah, you're elitist. Bikes and how much of those bikes cost?
Probably a lot. Yeah, to play soccer you need a
ball and some chalk to draw some goals.
Speaker 4: On the wall.
Speaker 5: How much of those boots cost? You don't have to
have them?
Speaker 8: Oh you also have to have, like, you know, hundreds
of millions of dollars to play your pay your players
that just sit there, fake injuries, kick a ball, maybe
score a goal every seventeen games.
Speaker 7: That's fun.
Speaker 8: Eighting devensive sport bud. Yeah, oh, Bill Mills, let's tie.
Oh good game, we tied. That was fun.
Speaker 7: How many points could we get? One called to draw
at one point? Yep.
Speaker 8: Hopefully you don't get relegated, at least in the bikes
that are at least racing downhills mountains.
Speaker 6: Ever heard of the Alps. You're not going to convince
me that cycling's cooler. I'm not saying all a cycling,
just that one, just that one race.
Speaker 5: Okay, all right, we will How do we get here?
I don't know.
Speaker 6: Oh because the pitch, the pitch, the farm again the
great football game that you turned it into something else. Anyways,
but this seems pretty good. Both those quarterback's pretty good too.
Rock Obec. We talked about it, like the ceiling is
not incredibly incredibly high, but he and I hate it
because this player played for the same school and we
fall into these He's got like some rock party in him, though,
like he's never going to swow you. But man, he's
gonna get it done. It's going to be efficient when
the game's on the line. Like rock Obec he like
he didn't he didn't stray from the game plan, like
he didn't try to do too much. He played within
the system like it was a fun game to watch.
And then look I to Kansas State went for it
on their twenty nine.
Speaker 5: I know that.
Speaker 6: My boy Dusty, the void check on the call, didn't
like it. I'm like, look, you got to you got
a running quarterback, they're up three. You've gotten to the
point where you can't stop them, like I was.
Speaker 5: They had found something.
Speaker 1: About six and a half left.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I even like the play call. Just the safety
made a great play. He filled the hole. He hit
your quarterback. Your quarterback fell short. They went scored. Now
you went and scored, and then you had a chance.
You still had a chance. All he had to do
was stop him. You brought pressure. I always stayed Again
their quarterback, you saw him, he was putting everybody up.
He right before the play, he says something to the back,
which I think you put him on a free release.
Speaker 5: So they bring the pressure. Here comes a free rusher
right over his head. I'd love to see it well
down on the one.
Speaker 6: And thankfully if you had the under, which that was
my pontoon parlay pick, he didn't score.
Speaker 5: He got to the one.
Speaker 8: Yeah, So that so how fitting is it that everybody's
been like dying for football to come back, and then
the first game out of the gate for college football
there's an extremely bad beat forever be so extremely So
that was like deep that like from a coaching and
a player's point of view, the absolute right thing to
do is to take a knee on the one inch line.
Like that's what you forgot the game? Any Like everybody
players score, score, score, first of all, it gets reviewed, yeah,
and it comes back no attest als. So like you
got people celebrating what what great fitting way, and it's like, hey, betters, did.
Speaker 7: You miss it? Did you?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 8: You missed that fielding So losing right at the last
minute on the pontoon parlay.
Speaker 5: So I had that, I had the under I hit, we.
Speaker 2: Went to and two I hit as well. I know,
Whaii plus two and or minus two and a half
they won by three.
Speaker 5: Yep, they did. Uh you had the under in UNLV
and they went way over. Yeah, yeah, that was a
good game.
Speaker 1: Thirty eight thirty one, which yeah, and then.
Speaker 5: A logi at Presno State.
Speaker 1: No, yeah, covering the thirteen and they do they.
Speaker 5: Got blown out? Yeah okay.
Speaker 2: And two you know if you would have stayed with
your original pick and one, Matt, I.
Speaker 8: Know sure, although you didn't pay attention to us at all,
So I didn't pay attention to all at all. I
would mention one thing from the Kansas State game. Did
yell c Kansas State quarterback Everyon's father and older brother
get in a fist fight?
Speaker 7: Yeah, right outside the game?
Speaker 1: Whoa lay it in a puddle too?
Speaker 7: A puddle nasty fight.
Speaker 4: They were just embracing Ireland.
Speaker 7: That's it.
Speaker 4: I mean, that's very Irish things.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I get it. One too many Guinness. All right,
we're longing for a break. Well, I know you can't
do that anymore. We'll take that break and when we
come back, as I mentioned, we will get now to
the New Orleans Saints their quarterback situation. How did they
look the other day against the Broncos? And we'll do
it all here on oh t.
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Speaker 6: All right, welcome back in OTB one four five ESPN
bet Rouge. The New Orance Saints played another preseason game
and they did not score again touchdown wise in the
first half, and they lost twenty eight to nineteen. A
little troublesome? Is it a little troublesome? It's not great,
Bob oh Man.
Speaker 8: I'm watching that game and I'm sitting there and I'm like,
all right, I gotta I need to watch this. I
need to come up with good talking points on this
quarterback battle. And I'm sitting there, I'm watching like the
game ended. I'm like, I got nothing. I don't I
got really nothing to both quarterbacks. Fine, y'all are working there, y'all.
Speaker 5: Y'all listen.
Speaker 6: The quarterbacks actually are not the issue, like Flyn's been
trying to tell you, Like, am I saying that you've
got Drew Brees, Peyton Manning, Tom Brady.
Speaker 5: No, I'm not.
Speaker 6: But the operation of it is actually on schedule, like
the operation of it getting in and now the huddle,
getting the right checks, making the right read.
Speaker 5: Like there's so much good in there.
Speaker 6: Now. I'm not gonna sit here and lie to you
and tell you that the ceiling is incredibly high, But
I don't think the floor is is low.
Speaker 8: As nobody knows what the ceiling really is, right, because you're.
Speaker 7: Not gonna know, like you you aren't gonna I.
Speaker 5: Don't think they're going to be generational.
Speaker 6: But like, my whole point in saying that, and you're right,
but my whole point is, like, the floor is not
as low as people think.
Speaker 5: No, Like when you watch the like just go watch
the tape.
Speaker 6: When there's struggles with the New Orleans Saints offense, I
don't circle the quarterback position very often with the negative plays. No,
they have a real issue in the interior of their
offensive line. We've talked about it to nauseum. We've talked
about it, but it's still there and it's not going away,
and I just don't understand how it's gotten so poor.
Speaker 5: Now.
Speaker 6: Caesar Ruiz has always been inconsistent, but I don't see
the highs anymore. He graded out at forty seven percent
this week. You'll no look, we love to go out
here in Rhwald Dogs. In PFF grades it's what we do,
all right, So we check these often and we kind
of will go and we'll see and does it match
up with the tape ninety five percent time it does.
The tape says he played at a forty seven percent,
and we're talking about run blocking was a forty five percent.
Pass protection was a forty nine percent. So he didn't
do either one of them well. And you hate to keep,
you know, keep picking on the same player over and
over again. It's not just him, it's both guard positions.
But it's got to go so far up from where
it's at right now.
Speaker 5: Now.
Speaker 6: Eric McCoy, who hasn't played, played much better, and he's
maybe the best over offensive line been on the team.
Speaker 5: I understand that, but he should be rusty. He played
better when you're a young.
Speaker 6: Quarterback, old quarterback five minutes in or fifteen years, and
it doesn't matter. If you don't have a chance to
step up in the pocket with confidence, you're not going
to be any good. And look, I didn't play the position,
and I can tell you that because as a pass protector,
whenever there would be a linebacker through the a gap,
I knew, all right.
Speaker 5: I don't just have to win here. I gotta dominate.
Speaker 6: Because if I don't, I'm gonna screw the quarterback because
he's not gonna have anywhere to step up. If I've
got pressure from the outside, I can find a way
to get a throw off. If I've got pressure right
now through the A and B gaps, I've gotten nowhere
to go. It doesn't matter if you're Lamar Jackson or
if you're Peyton Maning. It doesn't matter how athletic you are,
and time and time again, and this isn't just in
the passing. I'm talking about when you're running the football
as well. If a guy comes off the edge, maybe
I have a chance. Maybe I can make you miss
and I can bounce it to the outside. Again, even
running the football, if I've got pressure right now in
the middle of the defense, where am I supposed to go?
If the guy is doing his job containing on the
edge and I've got immediate pressure from the A and
B gaps, what am I supposed to do? And so
that's why I say, like when you watch the tape,
the quarterbacks actually are doing everything they're supposed to be
doing as far as keeping the team on schedule, the
operation of the offense actually has been better than I
thought it would be. But if they continue to give
up what they're giving up currently in the middle of
their offense to the defense, they are not going to
be successful and flyint. It's it's so frustrating because you're
talking about a first round pick guy that you extended,
a guy's had peaks and valleys, but now those peaks
are gone and he's living in the valley.
Speaker 7: Yeah, And.
Speaker 8: I guess unfortunately for Saints fan likes as far as
like shaping this roster, there's so many injuries as well,
like he's not going anywhere, Like they're like you, you're
kind of stuck with what you got.
Speaker 5: Trevor Penning's not even in, so you're to your third
guard on the left.
Speaker 8: So you're you're you're going to have to bring some
people in, and you're gonna have to bring a couple
of bodies in that are gonna be released from other teams.
Speaker 7: And that's that's how the NFL works. It happens all
the time.
Speaker 8: And it's not not to say you're not gonna get
somebody good or can be inserted and fit in right away,
because you'll probably get somebody good and you probably can.
You're gonna get some young up and comers, or you're
gonna get some guys that have had really good careers
that are a little bit older. But you're gonna have
to fill in some gaps on these injuries. And with
the people that are playing right now, there's probably not
many guys going anywhere because of just the strict numbers,
so they're going to have to get better on.
Speaker 7: The fly.
Speaker 8: Or as a play caller, play designer, offensive coordinator, like
you're gonna have to be great. But I'm watching these
games and it's quarterbacks. The big talk, because who is
it going to be? Is you're talking about one of
thirty two NFL starters that haven't been named, the only
team that hasn't named one, and we're talking about an
NFL starting quarterback and we haven't named one. And I'm
sitting there and I'm trying to watch, and I'm trying
to grade, and I'm trying to like find any good
nuggets to tell people, and I'm like, I got nothing.
Like I'm watching these games and it's a big nothing
burger for me watching the quarterbacks and trying to make
a decision because they're both going through their reads, they're
throwing it to the right person, they're making for the
most part, accurate throws. There's just no like, there's no
amazing moment that neither one of them had a moment.
It's like, oh my god, that's incredible. But in a
game and in preseason, you're not gonna get that. You're
not going to know a guy as a dude until
the fourth quarter of the first game or maybe the
second game.
Speaker 7: Maybe their game.
Speaker 8: How do they play when the nuts are on the line, Like,
how do they play when the game is there and
you have to make a play.
Speaker 7: A guy's got to show out.
Speaker 8: So like they have done everything that has been asked
to them, like they maybe maybe if Spencer Rattler hits
that skinny post off the off the play action, maybe
it's an RPM, the little five step, uh, skinny slant
glance route, bangate, whatever you want to call it. If
he hits that, maybe that's the Maybe that throw gets
him the starting node for week one. If he just
hits out on what men and yeah, he sure still
should have made the catch, but he should have made
a better throw. Then you look, Chuck, he played well,
but he made some bad throws.
Speaker 7: Too.
Speaker 8: Like it's just there was no knockout blow by either
one of them. And that's okay because they they still
played within the offense. They played within the system, and
they played fine like they're they didn't play.
Speaker 5: That is actually a good word.
Speaker 8: But like what the the way the protection was. But
like the play calling too, we weren't. We weren't pushing,
We weren't throwing punches out there from play like some
some guys like to go out there with their starting
off as play callers and some head coaches philosophy, I'm
gonna go with through my starters and I'm gonna try
to play. I'm gonna try to hit some deep passes
because i want my starters out of there, so we're
either gonna score quick or we're gonna or we're gonna
punt and I'm gonna get my starters out.
Speaker 7: We didn't do that.
Speaker 8: We tried to work our offense and try to do
try to run as much as we can and get
improvement with the offensive line, hit smaller passes, let them
work through these checkdowns. It just wasn't any pushing the
ball down the field, which is what again it's fine too,
just everything about the quarterback bat up has been fine.
Now you have to make a decision and you got
a roll. So we've been saying that we think Spencer
from experience has got but in all honesty, with the
offensive line play that we've seen, you're gonna need both
these quarterbacks to play well at times this year. Just gonna,
I mean, it's just factual.
Speaker 7: Yeah, get your.
Speaker 5: Mind right, Jake and so.
Speaker 6: And we got some some chatter in the chat that actually, like,
I agree with what you're saying, because I do think
Tyler Shuck does have like probably the higher ceiling of
what he can do.
Speaker 7: Maybe based don't what I mean. I think they both
have highs ceilings.
Speaker 8: Like, they both can run, they both have both they
both spin it well, like like look look at the staffs.
Speaker 6: I guess probably just because of where he was drafted in.
Looks the height in the arm.
Speaker 5: I get that.
Speaker 6: But here's why I've been saying Spencer Ratler is your
starting quarterback because it's going to be so off schedule
with what you have in front of you. And I
think for this probably is not fair to Tyler Shuck
because I feel like it's been a very even battle.
But because Spencer Rattler makes better plays when he's off
schedule compared to Tyler Shuck. He might get the starting
job because of that, because look, Spencer Raller dealt with
this when he was at South Carolina like he was
running for his life, but still would light it up.
Speaker 5: I just don't think you're going to get clean pockets
very often.
Speaker 6: I think there's going to be chaos, and I think
with that, Spencer Rattler gives you the best opportunity because
he does make plays when he's got to improvise back
there when he doesn't have a clean pocket, better than
Tyler Shuk right now. So again it's probably not fair
to Tyler Shuck, But in a position battle that's as
close as this one is, what's going to be the
deciding factor. If I was naming a starting quarterback, it
would be the off schedule plays at Spencer Ratler can
make because you're going to live off schedule.
Speaker 8: Tyler Shutt sixty seven percent completion three hundred and thirty
three yards, Spencer Rattler seventy percent completion two hundred ninety
five yards. Shuck one TD one interception, Rattler one TD
one interception. Decide YEP I'm going Rattler. I'm going Ratlery too,
going to rat that you need him both.
Speaker 5: I really like.
Speaker 6: I hate that it's true, I think that, but I
do think they're both going to have to play. Yeah,
for sure, Musso starting quarterback.
Speaker 5: For the Saints.
Speaker 4: Yeah, No, I think it's Spencer Ratler as well.
Speaker 9: I mean, he's getting the third preseason start. I think
that actually does mean something. He looks like. We'll really
get our answer this week when they start to get
back out there where the first team reps go. But
I mean it's not a lot of experience, but he's
got more experience. So I think for the first game,
you're gonna run him out there solely on that and
we'll see what you got.
Speaker 4: I mean, Flynn, you.
Speaker 9: Were talking about it before the show, before we came
on air, that the stats being similar, you just rattled
some of them off their I went and looked at
him as well, and they each led five scoring drives
Like it's it's it's they're the same player. They've they've
done the exact same thing. So I guess give me
the guy who's got a touch more experience in the NFL.
Speaker 5: Hee.
Speaker 1: I don't want to be boring.
Speaker 2: I'll go rather for kind of what Yeah, y'all ain't
talking about No, I mean, I think missus right, I
mean I think starting the.
Speaker 1: Third preseason game.
Speaker 2: Because look, we've had a few guests on this show
that have said, well, it's very evident that Kellen Moore
wants Tyler Shark to start, which is.
Speaker 1: Why you put him in there for the two minute
drill and everything.
Speaker 2: My thing is, Okay, if they wanted him to start,
why the hell didn't he start on Sunday or Saturday
or whenever? It was like Spencer Ratler started two out
of three of these games. He's worked with the Ones
a lot more in preseason. Like, to me, yeah, it's
not like he's outperformed Tyler Shuker been worse than Tyler Shuck.
But when I look at who has the most experienced
who's played with the Ones a lot more in preseason,
it kind of leans towards Spencer Rattler.
Speaker 8: Rap back, oh man, and if it's not good, let's
go to the shuck druck.
Speaker 6: I don't think anybody gives a shuck though. It's guys,
it's it's I don't know, I'm hoping to be surprised.
Speaker 5: But right now.
Speaker 6: It's just it's very vanilla and you haven't seen a
lot of different looks. Now, we know Keller Moore is
going to give you that. He's got a track record
of doing it in Dallas, in la in Philly. But
like right now watching the preseason, I get it. I
get while you're upset. I get why. You know there's questions,
there's concerns, Like, I totally understand it.
Speaker 5: So h yeah, we gotta go to break.
Speaker 7: Yeah, they're gonna be fine.
Speaker 5: Just whatever person wants to hear you look fine, not bad.
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Speaker 5: I'm worried about going to hit the wedge on the
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Speaker 7: You know, that's a good point.
Speaker 6: Yeah, back in the day, there was a before they
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dam Brody could spin it. Now he could spin it,
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I mean, he just to throw it up to Debo
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of them. But man, they had a good special teams
like that's what that probably was their problem and not
not trying to be funny. Their whole team was made
up of like elite special teamers, you know what I mean,
like the linebackers that were really good at special teams,
but not like defensive football.
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Speaker 6: After it might have been Jamal Charles might have been
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Speaker 5: Has to.
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Speaker 5: Said he was going to be a politician.
Speaker 7: And what's he doing now?
Speaker 5: Running senate? Right?
Speaker 8: I think he's running for senate in Georgia. So he
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Speaker 7: Yeah.
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had played at a very high level at running back
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Speaker 7: Yeah.
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Speaker 5: How about that that sting? A little bit.
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