WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.200 --> 00:00:01.840 Our next guest is a good friend of the show 2 00:00:01.879 --> 00:00:04.679 from Suomer Sports. It's always fun to welcome in Sam 3 00:00:04.719 --> 00:00:08.240 Brockhouse onto the program on a Wednesday afternoon. Sam, Happy Wednesday, Man, 4 00:00:08.279 --> 00:00:08.759 how you doing. 5 00:00:09.560 --> 00:00:13.439 I'm doing good. We're what less than a round twenty 6 00:00:13.439 --> 00:00:16.079 four hours until the NFL Draft, and people still have 7 00:00:16.160 --> 00:00:18.640 no idea what's going to happen. So I'm super excited 8 00:00:19.280 --> 00:00:21.760 to be on the Summer Sports Show tomorrow on YouTube 9 00:00:21.760 --> 00:00:24.120 on the Summer Sports platforms, and super excited to talk 10 00:00:24.120 --> 00:00:25.120 about the draft right now. 11 00:00:25.280 --> 00:00:27.239 For sure, Man, I appreciate the time. But before we 12 00:00:27.280 --> 00:00:30.679 get into the draft, my producer informs me, as you know, 13 00:00:30.760 --> 00:00:32.840 we are the home the University of Utah. We are 14 00:00:32.880 --> 00:00:35.840 broadcasting well about a mile mile and a half away 15 00:00:35.840 --> 00:00:38.640 from Risco Stadium. We had our spring game on Saturday, 16 00:00:38.679 --> 00:00:41.079 and so you fans kind of got their first look 17 00:00:41.079 --> 00:00:43.560 at Devin Dampierre. I wonder what you make of the 18 00:00:43.600 --> 00:00:46.200 new quarterback here in Salt Lake City? What should you 19 00:00:46.240 --> 00:00:46.640 fans know? 20 00:00:47.560 --> 00:00:50.840 Look, so, when we were grinding through the transport portal, 21 00:00:51.200 --> 00:00:53.679 Devin Dampier was someone who really popped up as a 22 00:00:53.719 --> 00:00:56.920 guy who may have an ability to make a major 23 00:00:57.000 --> 00:00:59.000 impact at the P five level, and I'm glad he 24 00:00:59.039 --> 00:01:01.880 went to Utah because this guy has a superpower, and 25 00:01:02.119 --> 00:01:04.760 rarely in college do we see guys at the G 26 00:01:04.879 --> 00:01:08.040 five level have a absolute superpower that is better than 27 00:01:08.079 --> 00:01:10.840 everyone else and that will almost surely translate to the 28 00:01:10.840 --> 00:01:14.319 next level. Using frame by frame analysis, which means we're 29 00:01:14.319 --> 00:01:17.920 looking at every single millisecond of a play, we noticed 30 00:01:17.920 --> 00:01:22.239 that Devin Dampier is one of the best sack avoids 31 00:01:22.280 --> 00:01:25.560 in the NCAA, and I would expect him to continue 32 00:01:25.599 --> 00:01:28.079 to be so at Utah. What does that mean? Thing 33 00:01:28.159 --> 00:01:30.879 about the Denver Broncos for example, this year, a lot 34 00:01:30.959 --> 00:01:33.280 of people had a lot of questions about bo Nix, 35 00:01:33.719 --> 00:01:36.719 but Sean Payton kept saying over and over again that 36 00:01:36.799 --> 00:01:39.599 this was a guy who avoided negative plays, and a 37 00:01:39.599 --> 00:01:41.879 lot of people who had watched him at Auburn, for example, 38 00:01:41.879 --> 00:01:43.760 didn't know what he was talking about. He came in 39 00:01:44.120 --> 00:01:47.599 and he was absolutely elite at avoiding sacks, and that 40 00:01:47.680 --> 00:01:50.599 allowed that offense to get the offensive line going, the 41 00:01:50.640 --> 00:01:54.200 screen game going, guys like Devon Veley going at the 42 00:01:54.239 --> 00:01:58.120 wide receiver position. If Devin Dampier is able to translate 43 00:01:58.159 --> 00:02:00.959 that one hundredth percentile so and so, and you can 44 00:02:01.000 --> 00:02:03.640 even go look at the number of sacks that he had. 45 00:02:03.920 --> 00:02:07.359 They were so minimal, especially for a small player. I 46 00:02:07.400 --> 00:02:10.599 think that there's really going to be a special sauce 47 00:02:10.960 --> 00:02:13.199 to the Utah offense this year, which I was really 48 00:02:13.240 --> 00:02:14.759 excited to come on here and talk. 49 00:02:14.560 --> 00:02:17.360 About love that. Let me ask you one follow up question, 50 00:02:17.479 --> 00:02:21.560 because his numbers last year at New Mexico on the 51 00:02:21.599 --> 00:02:24.199 ground were elite from the quarterback position, but he had 52 00:02:24.240 --> 00:02:28.039 twelve touchdown passes and twelve picks through the air, And 53 00:02:28.319 --> 00:02:30.120 I don't know, Sam, if he's going to be able 54 00:02:30.120 --> 00:02:33.639 to duplicate his ground attack as he translates to the 55 00:02:33.639 --> 00:02:38.439 Big twelve, but through the air with his arm, twelve touchdowns, 56 00:02:38.439 --> 00:02:42.280 twelve picks in a lesser division, if I could be 57 00:02:42.360 --> 00:02:46.159 kind and not being disrespectful, does that concern you about 58 00:02:46.199 --> 00:02:48.599 what he'll be able to do against Big twelve competition 59 00:02:48.680 --> 00:02:49.520 week in and week out. 60 00:02:50.319 --> 00:02:53.560 So it's an excellent point, and I think further analysis 61 00:02:53.680 --> 00:02:56.719 is needed, especially once he gets in a uth Jersey, 62 00:02:56.759 --> 00:03:00.520 about what those interceptions mean. And given he a guy, 63 00:03:00.560 --> 00:03:03.479 as you mentioned, in the team that was not superpowered 64 00:03:03.479 --> 00:03:06.080 and overachieved a little bit, I wonder how much that 65 00:03:06.159 --> 00:03:10.800 comes from the surrounding cast. For example, he was doing 66 00:03:10.800 --> 00:03:13.560 a lot of running around behind a poor offensive line, 67 00:03:13.800 --> 00:03:16.159 trying to avoid sacks and just trying to make plays. 68 00:03:16.479 --> 00:03:20.439 My expectation is as he adds a little bit more structure, 69 00:03:20.879 --> 00:03:23.919 his accuracy will increase, his decision making will increase, and 70 00:03:23.919 --> 00:03:27.199 it'll keep playing off the back of those eliminating negative 71 00:03:27.240 --> 00:03:30.000 plays on a play by play basis through his sack avoidance, 72 00:03:30.400 --> 00:03:33.520 and then the negative plays through the air, which you 73 00:03:33.560 --> 00:03:36.520 know typically are a little bit more random and frankly, 74 00:03:36.639 --> 00:03:38.800 especially if they're on third or fourth down when you're 75 00:03:38.800 --> 00:03:40.560 just trying to make a play, don't kill you as 76 00:03:40.639 --> 00:03:43.199 much as a first down sack would. We're going to 77 00:03:43.199 --> 00:03:46.400 see more consistency in his play. That's something very key 78 00:03:46.520 --> 00:03:49.159 to look at in weeks one and two, and I'll 79 00:03:49.199 --> 00:03:51.479 report back to y'all on what we end up seeing 80 00:03:51.479 --> 00:03:54.439 about his accuracy and decision making scores. But those definitely 81 00:03:54.479 --> 00:03:57.120 have to be improved, but I think they will on 82 00:03:57.199 --> 00:03:58.919 a more talented youth team. 83 00:03:59.319 --> 00:04:01.639 Love it sham stuff. I will move over the draft. 84 00:04:01.719 --> 00:04:05.039 Of course, It's an exciting time for pro football fans 85 00:04:05.080 --> 00:04:06.719 and we are the home of the NFL Draft. Here 86 00:04:06.759 --> 00:04:09.680 in Salt Lake. So we'll have it on our radio station, 87 00:04:09.919 --> 00:04:12.439 and we'll start with what is probably an easy question, 88 00:04:12.520 --> 00:04:14.479 But because I've been doing this for a long time, 89 00:04:14.520 --> 00:04:17.480 I know that sometimes smoke screens are sent out. Does 90 00:04:17.480 --> 00:04:19.959 it feel like it's just a consensus that Tennessee is 91 00:04:20.000 --> 00:04:23.000 going cam Ward? Is there any any sort of intrigue 92 00:04:23.000 --> 00:04:23.480 at the top. 93 00:04:24.480 --> 00:04:26.439 It feels like it's lock tight. You look at the 94 00:04:26.439 --> 00:04:29.160 betting markets, you look at the prediction markets. Feels like 95 00:04:29.279 --> 00:04:32.360 that's the way that they will go. The only way 96 00:04:32.360 --> 00:04:34.480 that I think this could get shaken up a little 97 00:04:34.519 --> 00:04:38.000 bit is if someone just absolutely gives them a godfather offer. 98 00:04:38.079 --> 00:04:40.639 For one, here's a quick little note. A lot of 99 00:04:40.720 --> 00:04:44.279 people have said that cam Ward would have gone quarterback four, 100 00:04:44.560 --> 00:04:48.199 five six last year. That indicates to me that he 101 00:04:48.319 --> 00:04:51.079 has what scouts call a green grade on him. So 102 00:04:51.240 --> 00:04:53.920 he's not a blue chip player. And if that's the 103 00:04:53.959 --> 00:04:56.160 expectation as well, you look at the data in some 104 00:04:56.240 --> 00:05:00.199 of the consensus mock draft, typically Shador Sanders is were 105 00:05:00.199 --> 00:05:03.160 in that you know, ten to twenty spots below him. 106 00:05:03.519 --> 00:05:06.360 That would also indicate that Shador Sanders or Jackson Darter 107 00:05:06.439 --> 00:05:09.360 or some of these guys may also have a green grade. 108 00:05:09.439 --> 00:05:12.319 If that is true, the Titans have a green grade 109 00:05:12.319 --> 00:05:14.639 on him and maybe have a green grade on somebody else. 110 00:05:15.079 --> 00:05:17.519 It would indicate that if someone gave him a god 111 00:05:17.839 --> 00:05:21.199 father offer for one, you probably would take that and 112 00:05:21.319 --> 00:05:24.680 expect that you get another quarterback down the line. I 113 00:05:24.720 --> 00:05:28.920 think that's extremely low probability for the Titans, because you 114 00:05:28.959 --> 00:05:31.240 know they can just go ahead and take him before 115 00:05:31.279 --> 00:05:33.560 a team like the Browns or the Giants, or the 116 00:05:33.680 --> 00:05:37.240 Jaguars or even the Raiders for example. That may mean 117 00:05:37.319 --> 00:05:40.720 a ton, especially given some of those teams need quarterbacks. 118 00:05:40.759 --> 00:05:43.680 So I think the Titans are selecting cam Ward. I 119 00:05:43.720 --> 00:05:47.439 think that calculus about trading back applies a lot more 120 00:05:47.480 --> 00:05:49.399 to the Browns the Giants than the other teams. 121 00:05:49.759 --> 00:05:52.279 Now, I'll ask a follow up. If they go cam Ward, Sam, 122 00:05:52.319 --> 00:05:54.519 do you agree with the selection? Do you think that's 123 00:05:54.560 --> 00:05:55.240 the right move? 124 00:05:56.399 --> 00:05:59.120 I think it is. I think that really all three 125 00:05:59.160 --> 00:06:02.360 of the teams at the should be considering a quarterback selection. 126 00:06:03.040 --> 00:06:07.600 The positional value of the quarterback is just so much 127 00:06:07.680 --> 00:06:11.240 more than every position that it kind of indicates that 128 00:06:11.240 --> 00:06:14.759 if you have a premium pick, you should either select 129 00:06:14.800 --> 00:06:18.600 a quarterback or try to drum up as much demand 130 00:06:18.639 --> 00:06:20.480 in the trade market for a team that does need 131 00:06:20.519 --> 00:06:22.759 a quarterback so that they can go up and get 132 00:06:22.800 --> 00:06:25.240 him and you can get some value elsewhere. That's the 133 00:06:25.279 --> 00:06:29.720 old school, nihilistic data scientist view on it. Obviously, there's 134 00:06:29.759 --> 00:06:34.240 more in play. There's politics, there's divisional rivalries, there's you know, 135 00:06:34.279 --> 00:06:36.959 the reality of who you have on your roster, and 136 00:06:37.519 --> 00:06:40.480 so there's all kinds of other dynamics that go into it. 137 00:06:40.800 --> 00:06:43.079 But that's what I view. I think it's probably the 138 00:06:43.120 --> 00:06:43.720 correct pick. 139 00:06:44.319 --> 00:06:47.959 Andrew Berry, Brown's general manager, came out and said they 140 00:06:48.079 --> 00:06:51.079 view Travis Santra primarily as a wide receiver, but also 141 00:06:51.079 --> 00:06:53.480 had some other things to say that led a lot 142 00:06:53.480 --> 00:06:55.839 of people to draw a straight line between his comments 143 00:06:55.879 --> 00:06:58.240 and yes, that's who they're taking. And as you reference 144 00:06:58.519 --> 00:07:00.759 a bunch of reports that they're also few building calls 145 00:07:01.519 --> 00:07:04.240 at two. But I guess if we're in a space 146 00:07:04.279 --> 00:07:06.639 where it feels like it consensus that one that Cam 147 00:07:06.800 --> 00:07:08.600 is off the board, the draft starts at two, what 148 00:07:08.639 --> 00:07:09.519 do you think the Browns do? 149 00:07:10.879 --> 00:07:13.879 So as it stands now, I think they go with 150 00:07:14.000 --> 00:07:17.879 Travis Hunter. I think that Travis Hunter is certified the 151 00:07:17.920 --> 00:07:21.639 only can't miss prospect in this draft. When you look 152 00:07:21.680 --> 00:07:25.199 at those same frame by frame, millisecond by millisecond AI 153 00:07:25.319 --> 00:07:28.959 grades that we at Schumer Sports called summer scores, he's 154 00:07:29.360 --> 00:07:33.759 elite both in coverage and receiving. Frankly, you're never going 155 00:07:33.839 --> 00:07:36.839 to probably see that ever again. I think Travis Hunter 156 00:07:36.879 --> 00:07:38.959 is the only can't miss prospect, and I think they're 157 00:07:39.000 --> 00:07:41.199 fine if they go ahead and select them. But here's 158 00:07:41.240 --> 00:07:43.959 a note. As I said, the positional value at those 159 00:07:44.000 --> 00:07:48.759 positions is not the same as the quarterback position. By definition. 160 00:07:49.439 --> 00:07:52.240 I don't even think they're actually betting on their evaluation 161 00:07:52.360 --> 00:07:55.720 of a guy like Shador Sanders or like Jackson Dart. 162 00:07:55.720 --> 00:07:59.160 I think they are solely betting on their availability models. 163 00:07:59.439 --> 00:08:02.839 There's only only a couple of teams that really need quarterbacks. 164 00:08:02.920 --> 00:08:05.800 It seems like the Giants aren't interested. It seems like 165 00:08:06.120 --> 00:08:09.399 the Saints are not interested, and if their models are 166 00:08:09.439 --> 00:08:11.959 showing that, perhaps they can wait until they're pick at 167 00:08:11.959 --> 00:08:14.720 thirty three to get a quarterback. I think they may 168 00:08:14.839 --> 00:08:18.279 go ahead roll the dice, pick Travis Hunter positional value 169 00:08:18.279 --> 00:08:20.920 to the wind, and start playing a little game of 170 00:08:21.040 --> 00:08:24.959 Roulette quarterback Roulette, and hope that Shador Sanders or whatever 171 00:08:25.040 --> 00:08:28.360 quarterback they like very analytical organization. The Browns are. I 172 00:08:28.360 --> 00:08:31.240 believe they're doing a lot of research into consensus big 173 00:08:31.279 --> 00:08:35.120 boards and into their scouting grades as well. It it'd 174 00:08:35.120 --> 00:08:37.919 be difficult for me to believe, just given what is public, 175 00:08:37.960 --> 00:08:41.120 that they have anyone else other than Shador Sanders at two. 176 00:08:41.399 --> 00:08:44.120 So I think they're really rolling the dice and seeing 177 00:08:44.120 --> 00:08:47.360 if they can get a quarterback down the line in 178 00:08:47.440 --> 00:08:50.120 the late first, trading back in at late first or 179 00:08:50.159 --> 00:08:50.879 in the second round. 180 00:08:51.120 --> 00:08:55.000 Every time Travis is asked about his NFL future, he's 181 00:08:55.200 --> 00:08:59.759 very specific about his desire to play on both sides 182 00:08:59.799 --> 00:09:01.840 of the ball. How do you think the Browns use him? 183 00:09:01.840 --> 00:09:02.840 What do you think that looks like? 184 00:09:03.559 --> 00:09:05.240 Look, I think you got to do it, and I 185 00:09:05.279 --> 00:09:08.720 think in the data sphere you just want more information. 186 00:09:09.120 --> 00:09:11.080 And when you have a player who can play both 187 00:09:11.080 --> 00:09:14.159 sides of the ball, let the snaps tell you where 188 00:09:14.200 --> 00:09:16.159 he's best at. I think you got to play him 189 00:09:16.159 --> 00:09:18.720 on both sides while he's still young, because if you 190 00:09:18.919 --> 00:09:21.840 have someone who can contribute on both sides, that's literally 191 00:09:21.919 --> 00:09:23.720 of one of one, maybe one of the best players 192 00:09:23.759 --> 00:09:28.480 of all time. By year three, perhaps he might be 193 00:09:28.480 --> 00:09:30.879 able to go just three years And if he does that, 194 00:09:30.919 --> 00:09:33.240 he may be a Hall of Famer right there. If not, 195 00:09:33.519 --> 00:09:35.600 you can simply just stop playing him on defense or 196 00:09:35.600 --> 00:09:37.639 stop playing on him on offense, and he can still 197 00:09:37.639 --> 00:09:39.960 be an elite player on either side of the ball. 198 00:09:40.000 --> 00:09:42.559 I am of the mind personally that you just get 199 00:09:42.600 --> 00:09:45.639 all the information you can as quick as possible and let. 200 00:09:45.679 --> 00:09:48.840 Him do both, all right? Going to number three now, 201 00:09:49.600 --> 00:09:53.120 as you referenced earlier, a lot of conversation about the 202 00:09:53.159 --> 00:09:56.519 Giants also fielding calls. And it's interesting because the Giants 203 00:09:56.559 --> 00:09:58.320 are one of those teams and Sam, as I've told 204 00:09:58.320 --> 00:10:00.919 you before, I'm a lifelong suffering fan the New York Jets. 205 00:10:00.919 --> 00:10:03.240 And we'll get there. But when you have as many 206 00:10:03.320 --> 00:10:05.639 holes as the Giants have, I mean, maybe you just 207 00:10:05.679 --> 00:10:08.000 go ab dual Carter. Maybe you don't think about it. 208 00:10:08.600 --> 00:10:11.759 There's some noise about Shador. They were out this way. 209 00:10:11.840 --> 00:10:14.759 The Giants were out in Colorado watching should or work 210 00:10:14.759 --> 00:10:18.120 out last week. But I would completely understand if they 211 00:10:18.200 --> 00:10:21.000 wanted to trade down and then get a heavy more 212 00:10:21.039 --> 00:10:22.639 picks to try to fill a bunch of holes. But 213 00:10:23.000 --> 00:10:24.639 what do you think the New York Giants do at 214 00:10:24.720 --> 00:10:25.200 number three? 215 00:10:26.200 --> 00:10:28.919 So first I think they evaluate their team, Abdul Carter 216 00:10:29.039 --> 00:10:30.879 will be the best player on the board, at least 217 00:10:30.919 --> 00:10:34.399 as the consensus is concerned. Here's an interesting bit about 218 00:10:34.440 --> 00:10:36.519 the Giants, though they had one of the better fronts 219 00:10:36.559 --> 00:10:40.120 in the league last year excellent sac rate, Brian Burns 220 00:10:40.120 --> 00:10:42.559 played well when he was healthy, Dexter Lawrence played well, 221 00:10:43.320 --> 00:10:47.120 Okerke played pretty well at the linebacker position, and they 222 00:10:47.120 --> 00:10:50.279 had Kevan Thibodeau who played all right. You know, he's 223 00:10:50.320 --> 00:10:53.200 one of the better defensive end two's in the league, 224 00:10:54.200 --> 00:10:56.960 and so I think that's where the analysis starts coming in. 225 00:10:57.120 --> 00:11:00.240 If you look at the expected value for an edge, 226 00:11:00.440 --> 00:11:05.120 historically for defensive ends, it's really about around Kavan Thibodeau. 227 00:11:05.559 --> 00:11:08.879 So you probably have in terms of expected value. Again, 228 00:11:08.960 --> 00:11:11.000 maybe they know a little bit more than me, but 229 00:11:11.120 --> 00:11:14.000 I'm just looking at the historicals. You have two players 230 00:11:14.000 --> 00:11:16.200 that you can project over the next two or three 231 00:11:16.279 --> 00:11:19.799 years to be pretty similar in terms of production. One 232 00:11:19.840 --> 00:11:23.200 will be much cheaper than the other, but there's a 233 00:11:23.320 --> 00:11:27.399 much more uncertainty when it comes to drafting a player. 234 00:11:27.480 --> 00:11:29.759 So here's the gamble that they're going to make. If 235 00:11:29.799 --> 00:11:33.159 they take Abdol Carter. They're basically saying, we would rather 236 00:11:33.360 --> 00:11:37.000 this year, have three good edge rushers, and the next year, 237 00:11:37.080 --> 00:11:40.679 let Kavan Thibodeau walk and have a cheaper version again 238 00:11:40.840 --> 00:11:44.320 on average than Kavan Thibodeau. If they decide to go 239 00:11:44.399 --> 00:11:47.559 elsewhere trade back. They're basically saying, we know what Kavan 240 00:11:47.639 --> 00:11:50.960 Thibdeau is, there's not a ton of uncertainty there, and 241 00:11:51.080 --> 00:11:54.279 we would rather recoup value. And we don't really know 242 00:11:54.360 --> 00:11:56.279 if we're ready to compete. Maybe we don't know if 243 00:11:56.279 --> 00:11:58.879 Abdol Carter will make us a winning team year one. 244 00:11:59.279 --> 00:12:03.080 And I think those options are fairly clear. I think 245 00:12:03.120 --> 00:12:05.840 you probably lean to the more conservative way to do 246 00:12:05.960 --> 00:12:08.480 it if I'm the Giants, which would just be selecting 247 00:12:08.519 --> 00:12:10.399 Carter as one of the best players in the draft. 248 00:12:10.720 --> 00:12:13.879 But I, as an analyst, would certainly, you know, fight 249 00:12:13.960 --> 00:12:17.320 hard for trading back and trying to get more value 250 00:12:17.320 --> 00:12:19.600 because I just don't know how much Abdol Carter is 251 00:12:19.639 --> 00:12:21.759 going to help this team become a playoff team. 252 00:12:22.320 --> 00:12:25.120 So a little bit of a non sequorer here, but 253 00:12:25.159 --> 00:12:27.440 I wanted to ask you because we are high speed ahead. 254 00:12:27.440 --> 00:12:30.679 We're about, let's see, twenty six hours and fifteen minutes 255 00:12:30.679 --> 00:12:33.360 away from the draft, and zero trades have been made. 256 00:12:33.399 --> 00:12:37.919 Involving first round picks, which isn't isn't all that normal? 257 00:12:38.000 --> 00:12:40.159 Typically there have at least been, you know, a dealer 258 00:12:40.240 --> 00:12:43.720 or two by now. Are you anticipating a busy night 259 00:12:43.879 --> 00:12:46.080 concerning the trade market? Do you think we're going to 260 00:12:46.080 --> 00:12:48.320 see a lot of movement? Jerry Jones came out yesterday 261 00:12:48.320 --> 00:12:51.000 they've got number twelve and they've got ten picks, and 262 00:12:51.039 --> 00:12:53.600 he's I don't know, maybe he's just Jerry being Jerry, 263 00:12:53.639 --> 00:12:55.240 but he said they're trying to make a bunch of deals. 264 00:12:55.279 --> 00:12:56.240 Do you think we're going to see a lot of 265 00:12:56.240 --> 00:12:57.200 trades go down tomorrow? 266 00:12:58.080 --> 00:13:01.399 So? I think there's two items that are or really three, 267 00:13:01.480 --> 00:13:03.960 I guess there's three items that are probably going to 268 00:13:04.679 --> 00:13:07.799 control this. Number one, what happens with the quarterbacks. If 269 00:13:07.879 --> 00:13:10.200 the Browns don't select a quarterback and the Giant don't 270 00:13:10.200 --> 00:13:13.360 select a quarterback, I think the heat is going to 271 00:13:13.399 --> 00:13:15.919 be on teams that either want to trade back in 272 00:13:16.399 --> 00:13:19.080 like the Giants or the Browns, or teams like the 273 00:13:19.080 --> 00:13:21.639 Steelers who sit at twenty one and may not be 274 00:13:21.720 --> 00:13:24.200 able to wait to get a quarterback. So I think 275 00:13:24.200 --> 00:13:27.480 that's option one that could be probably one, maybe two. 276 00:13:27.679 --> 00:13:29.240 In the back half of the first round. If people 277 00:13:29.240 --> 00:13:31.559 start getting hot on a guy like Jackson Dark, that 278 00:13:31.600 --> 00:13:34.840 could potentially be two trades, and on average draft day 279 00:13:34.879 --> 00:13:37.919 there's typically about three to five trades. So I'm trying 280 00:13:37.919 --> 00:13:40.120 to fill this up in my head. The second item 281 00:13:40.200 --> 00:13:43.039 ash jin genty. People have him as one of the 282 00:13:43.039 --> 00:13:46.120 best running back prospects in years. I've been hearing a 283 00:13:46.120 --> 00:13:49.600 lot of noise about James Gladstone and the Jaguars selecting 284 00:13:49.639 --> 00:13:52.200 him at five. I think that may be smoke, and 285 00:13:52.279 --> 00:13:55.240 I think if we get around five, a team who 286 00:13:55.279 --> 00:13:57.080 really wants to go get a running back, thinks they 287 00:13:57.080 --> 00:13:59.360 have the offensive line to support it, and think they 288 00:13:59.360 --> 00:14:02.080 can have a safe Jwan Barkley or Jamier Gibbs like 289 00:14:02.200 --> 00:14:04.679 player may want to go ahead and trade up to 290 00:14:04.759 --> 00:14:07.879 five before a team like the Raiders in particular could 291 00:14:07.960 --> 00:14:10.159 use them. A team like the Bears certainly seem like 292 00:14:10.200 --> 00:14:13.159 they could use them. I think that's probably a third trade. 293 00:14:13.519 --> 00:14:15.720 And then finally, in the middle of the rounds, I 294 00:14:15.720 --> 00:14:17.399 think a lot of people are going to get excited 295 00:14:17.399 --> 00:14:20.519 about edge rushers and tackles. Not a lot of guys 296 00:14:20.559 --> 00:14:23.600 who are certified edge rushers and tackles will be selected 297 00:14:23.919 --> 00:14:26.320 in rounds two and three. I think as you get 298 00:14:26.360 --> 00:14:28.679 to the middle to the end, you'll start seeing some 299 00:14:28.720 --> 00:14:31.039 of the teams that performed really well, like the Commanders, 300 00:14:31.080 --> 00:14:33.960 the Eagles, the Bills trade out of their spots to 301 00:14:34.039 --> 00:14:38.279 allow teams that need tackles or need edge rushers back 302 00:14:38.320 --> 00:14:41.200 into the first round, and then they'll snag their guys there. 303 00:14:41.240 --> 00:14:43.720 So that's kind of my expectation to the three to 304 00:14:43.799 --> 00:14:47.440 five trades that could happen, starting at about five with 305 00:14:47.559 --> 00:14:51.399 Ashton gent getting into the back half of the top 306 00:14:51.480 --> 00:14:55.080 ten with the quarterbacks, and then finally throughout the middle 307 00:14:55.440 --> 00:14:57.720 talking about jumping back in to kind of reach on 308 00:14:57.759 --> 00:15:00.440 a quarterback or select an edge or often s attackle 309 00:15:00.519 --> 00:15:01.919 I think that's the way it's going to break down. 310 00:15:02.240 --> 00:15:05.879 Jackson Dard played his high school football about eighteen nineteen 311 00:15:05.919 --> 00:15:09.200 miles as the crow flies from where we're talking, you know, 312 00:15:09.279 --> 00:15:11.639 it's been fun to watch him kind of evolve throughout 313 00:15:11.639 --> 00:15:14.080 his career after starting at SC and then transferred to 314 00:15:14.159 --> 00:15:19.039 a miss good kid, good family. Certainly a guy that 315 00:15:19.200 --> 00:15:22.120 is getting a lot of attention depending on who you 316 00:15:22.159 --> 00:15:25.440 asked or you talked to, Nobody really knows where he'll go. 317 00:15:25.519 --> 00:15:27.519 But what's the buzz on Jackson Dart and what's a 318 00:15:27.559 --> 00:15:29.080 good fit for him Sam. 319 00:15:29.480 --> 00:15:33.120 Here's the summary. If he hits his first read, he's 320 00:15:33.159 --> 00:15:35.960 going to be immensely productive after that, which you can 321 00:15:36.000 --> 00:15:38.720 go check this on Summer sports dot com. We have 322 00:15:38.840 --> 00:15:42.840 it color coded to show you where he ranks among 323 00:15:43.360 --> 00:15:46.759 players in the NCUBA last year after that first read. 324 00:15:46.879 --> 00:15:50.399 He loves to scramble. One of the highest scramble rates 325 00:15:50.440 --> 00:15:53.639 in NCUBA last year. And also he was very productive, 326 00:15:53.679 --> 00:15:56.759 one of the highest EPA expected points added per rush 327 00:15:57.039 --> 00:16:00.200 guys last year. The problem is, you can do that 328 00:16:00.240 --> 00:16:03.879 in college, really difficult to do that at the next level. 329 00:16:03.919 --> 00:16:06.480 When you got Miles Garrett, when you got some of 330 00:16:06.519 --> 00:16:10.679 these Eagles rushers, Durrance Armstrong, Michael Parsons, all these excellent 331 00:16:10.759 --> 00:16:13.720 edge rushers pearing after you at four or five speed, 332 00:16:13.799 --> 00:16:16.039 you don't really see that game the game in college. 333 00:16:16.360 --> 00:16:20.759 Really difficult to rely on the scrambling that much. Now. 334 00:16:20.919 --> 00:16:23.440 We saw Jayden Daniels do that pretty well last year, 335 00:16:23.480 --> 00:16:25.759 even though his profile changed a little bit as he 336 00:16:25.840 --> 00:16:29.080 settled into that offense. But that's a real real question 337 00:16:29.159 --> 00:16:32.200 mark for Jackson Dark. I think settling in with an 338 00:16:32.200 --> 00:16:35.279 offensive coordinator who puts him in a place to succeed, 339 00:16:35.399 --> 00:16:38.440 particularly on those first and second reads, which then further 340 00:16:38.559 --> 00:16:42.399 allows him to develop down the line. Is something that's good, 341 00:16:42.759 --> 00:16:45.720 and frankly, I don't know if it's the best fit. 342 00:16:45.879 --> 00:16:48.440 I'm a Saints fan. I think Shedor Sanders is probably 343 00:16:48.480 --> 00:16:51.440 a better prospect in terms of accuracy this year. But 344 00:16:51.519 --> 00:16:53.840 it makes sense for a guy like Kellen Moore, who 345 00:16:53.919 --> 00:16:57.240 had Jalen Hurts last year with a very similar background, 346 00:16:57.240 --> 00:17:00.000 a guy who wanted to hit his first read, especially 347 00:17:00.080 --> 00:17:02.639 given that was aj Brown and Devonte Smith, and then 348 00:17:02.679 --> 00:17:05.200 he was going to use his legs to make plays, 349 00:17:05.200 --> 00:17:06.839 and that took them all the way to the Super Bowl, 350 00:17:06.960 --> 00:17:10.640 even though their passing offense did struggle. Coached by Kellen Moore, 351 00:17:10.759 --> 00:17:14.519 it appears that the Saints are interested in Jackson Dort. 352 00:17:14.559 --> 00:17:16.599 I could see that being a pairing that makes sense, 353 00:17:16.680 --> 00:17:19.359 even though it might break my little Saints van heart 354 00:17:20.319 --> 00:17:20.880 fair enough. 355 00:17:20.880 --> 00:17:23.559 And since you brought up Shadoor, there's a lot of 356 00:17:23.599 --> 00:17:27.680 buzz around Shador of course, because of well, he's really good, 357 00:17:27.720 --> 00:17:31.000 and also he's Shador Sanders, he's Deon's kid, and obviously 358 00:17:31.039 --> 00:17:35.000 we are a PAC twelve former PAC twelve market now 359 00:17:35.039 --> 00:17:37.839 Big twelve Market in Colorado is a school that we're 360 00:17:37.839 --> 00:17:40.599 all familiar with, and we've seen Shador and Travis up close. 361 00:17:41.200 --> 00:17:43.720 So you reference the Saints, there's a lot of noise 362 00:17:43.759 --> 00:17:45.839 Saints at nine if he doesn't go off the board 363 00:17:45.839 --> 00:17:47.720 of nine to the Saints. Are we in danger of 364 00:17:47.759 --> 00:17:49.839 watching this kid fall? 365 00:17:49.880 --> 00:17:53.680 I think we are. I'm putting together my mock draft 366 00:17:53.720 --> 00:17:55.960 tonight for tomorrow. I think I'm going to have him 367 00:17:56.000 --> 00:17:58.960 dropping a little bit again. I don't think this is 368 00:17:59.079 --> 00:18:03.559 necessarily a showing of his evaluation in our data. He's 369 00:18:03.559 --> 00:18:07.000 one of the most accurate quarterbacks in recent memory all 370 00:18:07.039 --> 00:18:10.039 across the field, and we've confirmed that on my Draft 371 00:18:10.039 --> 00:18:12.799 INFM podcast with a couple of guys who chart every 372 00:18:12.799 --> 00:18:16.880 single throw eye test scouts. They understand that he's immensely 373 00:18:16.920 --> 00:18:20.559 accurate as well. Downside is sacks and the opposite of 374 00:18:20.640 --> 00:18:24.000 Devin Dampier when we talked at the top. Those down 375 00:18:24.039 --> 00:18:28.240 to down sacks can really kill drives. As a result, 376 00:18:28.319 --> 00:18:31.880 I think the drop, frankly is probably occurring more due 377 00:18:31.920 --> 00:18:34.480 to the huffing and hawing about the Horts and Pony 378 00:18:34.480 --> 00:18:37.640 Show coming to town and Sanders talking real loud and 379 00:18:37.680 --> 00:18:40.000 all this stuff. I don't like all that. I don't 380 00:18:40.039 --> 00:18:42.720 think it shows anything about his evaluation. I get upset 381 00:18:42.720 --> 00:18:45.519 that he's probably dropping for that reason. Do I understand 382 00:18:45.559 --> 00:18:48.920 it because of the politics, Maybe so, but it is 383 00:18:48.960 --> 00:18:51.480 what it is. I think the Steelers at twenty one 384 00:18:51.599 --> 00:18:55.400 are probably the red zones for him. But I could 385 00:18:55.440 --> 00:18:58.839 see us being shocked of him maybe being selected third, 386 00:18:59.000 --> 00:19:02.119 or someone trying to ump up if people start getting 387 00:19:02.119 --> 00:19:04.359 a little antsy about getting a quarterback in the first round. 388 00:19:04.400 --> 00:19:06.240 All right, Sam, with the remaining a few minutes we have, 389 00:19:06.279 --> 00:19:09.680 I'm gonna ask you about teams specifically. We are a 390 00:19:09.720 --> 00:19:11.880 market without an NFL team, but we are a market 391 00:19:11.920 --> 00:19:15.279 with a lot of NFL fans, and it depends on 392 00:19:15.480 --> 00:19:18.119 you know, there are pockets of fans of the Broncos 393 00:19:18.240 --> 00:19:20.240 because of the proximity. But I want to ask you 394 00:19:20.279 --> 00:19:22.079 about the Niners. We have a lot of Niners fans 395 00:19:22.119 --> 00:19:24.480 here and that's really because of Steve Young, who played 396 00:19:24.480 --> 00:19:26.200 his college ball at Brigham Young and a lot of 397 00:19:26.200 --> 00:19:30.279 people continue to cheer for San Fran here in the market, 398 00:19:30.400 --> 00:19:32.720 and it's a big draft for them. They've got to think, 399 00:19:33.039 --> 00:19:35.960 what like eleven picks, and they've got number eleven in 400 00:19:36.000 --> 00:19:38.079 the first round. So how do you think san Fran 401 00:19:38.200 --> 00:19:40.559