1 00:00:01,600 --> 00:00:04,559 Speaker 1: Golf Smarter number three hundred and sixty nine, published on 2 00:00:04,679 --> 00:00:08,720 February eighth, twenty thirteen. Coming up in our score Zone 3 00:00:08,759 --> 00:00:12,560 Short Game Academy, the Wedge Guy addresses a question about 4 00:00:12,640 --> 00:00:15,919 selecting the right wedge for different types of bunkers. 5 00:00:16,079 --> 00:00:21,079 Speaker 2: Welcome to golf Smarter Mulligans, your second chance to gain 6 00:00:21,160 --> 00:00:24,719 insight and advice from the best instructors featured on the 7 00:00:24,719 --> 00:00:30,760 golf Smarter podcast. Great Golf Instruction Never gets Old. Our 8 00:00:30,839 --> 00:00:35,640 interview library features hundreds of hours of game improvement conversations 9 00:00:35,799 --> 00:00:39,280 like this that are no longer available in any podcast app. 10 00:00:39,359 --> 00:00:41,119 Speaker 1: So let's talk about that shot where you've got to 11 00:00:41,200 --> 00:00:42,840 keep the ball low, but you still need to get 12 00:00:42,880 --> 00:00:45,759 it seventy eighty yards. Should you mind walking me through 13 00:00:45,799 --> 00:00:47,200 the mechanics of how to do that? 14 00:00:47,280 --> 00:00:47,479 Speaker 3: Well. 15 00:00:47,560 --> 00:00:50,479 Speaker 4: For one, you're going to take probably a little bit 16 00:00:50,560 --> 00:00:53,200 extra club, meaning you're going to have to deloft your club. 17 00:00:53,280 --> 00:00:54,799 If you want to hit it low, you need to 18 00:00:54,840 --> 00:00:57,000 take a five iron. It's more of a chip shot 19 00:00:57,000 --> 00:00:59,640 type swing in length, and that club's going to stay 20 00:00:59,719 --> 00:01:02,119 very long. I think here's one of the most difficult 21 00:01:02,119 --> 00:01:04,840 things is when you're trying to follow through your head. 22 00:01:04,840 --> 00:01:07,680 Better be very still, and your hands better stay in 23 00:01:07,719 --> 00:01:11,120 front of that club face beyond impact, and your follow 24 00:01:11,159 --> 00:01:13,599 through needs to stay low. You're not finishing in a 25 00:01:13,680 --> 00:01:16,439 high finish. You're keeping that club head low along the 26 00:01:16,439 --> 00:01:19,719 ground and not going that far pass waist high, so 27 00:01:19,760 --> 00:01:22,159 it's more of a pop. It's not a full swing. 28 00:01:22,200 --> 00:01:23,439 But I think you need to make sure your club 29 00:01:23,480 --> 00:01:26,480 head stays low. Critically, your head has to stay still. 30 00:01:26,519 --> 00:01:28,280 We tend to when we try to hit that with 31 00:01:28,359 --> 00:01:30,959 our hands forward and keeping our club head low. Our 32 00:01:31,000 --> 00:01:33,640 bodies and heads tend to go forward ahead of the ball. 33 00:01:33,879 --> 00:01:36,519 At the same time we can top the ball. You 34 00:01:36,560 --> 00:01:38,439 don't hit it very good and it's a miss. So 35 00:01:38,680 --> 00:01:41,519 keeping the head very still and maintaining your hands ahead 36 00:01:41,560 --> 00:01:44,359 of club face with a very short follow through. There's 37 00:01:44,400 --> 00:01:45,239 a lot of feel. 38 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:54,040 Speaker 1: Involved shots that every golfer needs but doesn't know it. 39 00:01:54,079 --> 00:01:56,719 Speaker 5: With Kendorty, this is Golf. 40 00:01:56,439 --> 00:02:00,799 Speaker 2: Smarter sharing tips and insights from golf first and golf 41 00:02:00,840 --> 00:02:02,879 professionals to help blower your score. 42 00:02:03,359 --> 00:02:05,599 Speaker 5: It's worked for your host, Fred Green. 43 00:02:06,000 --> 00:02:07,599 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Golf Smarter podcast. 44 00:02:07,680 --> 00:02:09,919 Speaker 4: Ken, Thank you, thanks for having me. 45 00:02:10,080 --> 00:02:12,599 Speaker 1: Oh it's a joy to have you here in the studio. 46 00:02:12,719 --> 00:02:15,479 So now the audience is aware that I moved a 47 00:02:15,520 --> 00:02:18,080 couple months ago, or they're not aware they don't really care. 48 00:02:18,360 --> 00:02:22,599 What I haven't ever mentioned ever is that I live 49 00:02:23,599 --> 00:02:26,879 next to the Marine Country Club. I've never mentioned this 50 00:02:27,039 --> 00:02:30,080 until this very moment because I'm not a member of 51 00:02:30,080 --> 00:02:33,919 the Marine Country Club yet. Someday I hope that works out, 52 00:02:34,039 --> 00:02:37,879 but we'll see what happens. Anyway, we got a chance 53 00:02:37,919 --> 00:02:40,120 to meet. We started talking, and I knew that I 54 00:02:40,159 --> 00:02:43,000 had to get you on the show because not only 55 00:02:43,159 --> 00:02:45,439 are you quite articulate about what you're doing, you're very 56 00:02:45,439 --> 00:02:48,319 passionate about it. And I'm really excited to have you 57 00:02:48,360 --> 00:02:51,719 on the show this time and many more in the future. 58 00:02:51,719 --> 00:02:52,080 Speaker 5: I hope. 59 00:02:52,080 --> 00:02:52,400 Speaker 4: Thank you. 60 00:02:53,879 --> 00:02:57,680 Speaker 1: I was recently on a trip played around a golf 61 00:02:58,080 --> 00:03:01,960 with a head teaching professional at the course, and it 62 00:03:02,039 --> 00:03:04,439 ended up being a playing lesson, which was awesome. I 63 00:03:04,479 --> 00:03:06,479 didn't expect it, and we did a lot of video, 64 00:03:06,919 --> 00:03:09,000 and I realized that one of the things that we 65 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:12,879 don't get to talk about very often is all the 66 00:03:12,919 --> 00:03:16,800 shots you need in your bag that you never practice, 67 00:03:17,479 --> 00:03:19,039 and I thought this would be a lot of fun 68 00:03:19,080 --> 00:03:21,240 to talk about with you, because you have people who 69 00:03:21,319 --> 00:03:24,039 come and play the same course multiple times a week, 70 00:03:24,719 --> 00:03:29,680 and I would suspect they don't play very many other courses. 71 00:03:30,400 --> 00:03:33,759 Speaker 4: That's correct. And as far as practicing, how many people 72 00:03:33,800 --> 00:03:37,599 go to the range and practice uneven lies and different 73 00:03:38,639 --> 00:03:41,599 heights of grass They hit it off the tee or 74 00:03:41,639 --> 00:03:45,840 off that range it's flat. So I think that there's 75 00:03:45,879 --> 00:03:49,840 a couple levels to having a playing lesson. One is 76 00:03:49,840 --> 00:03:54,000 it's reality. There's a big difference between hitt and balls 77 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:56,280 on the range and hitting it when it counts. So 78 00:03:56,280 --> 00:03:58,520 I think a playing lesson really brings out the real 79 00:03:58,599 --> 00:04:02,439 you very often. And there's shots in that range are 80 00:04:02,479 --> 00:04:05,199 on the golf course. Excuse me that you can't replicate 81 00:04:05,240 --> 00:04:07,960 on the range. You just can't. There's so many variables 82 00:04:07,960 --> 00:04:10,120 on the golf course that you just cannot get on 83 00:04:10,159 --> 00:04:14,840 the range. So I think a playing lesson is by 84 00:04:14,879 --> 00:04:17,879 far the most valuable lesson you can have, and video 85 00:04:17,920 --> 00:04:20,720 is important too, But range versus playing lesson, I don't 86 00:04:20,720 --> 00:04:21,680 think there's a comparison. 87 00:04:22,120 --> 00:04:26,480 Speaker 1: Wow, and I'm sure you've watched people practice out on 88 00:04:26,519 --> 00:04:29,959 the range, and what is your sense? What do you 89 00:04:29,959 --> 00:04:32,160 get that most people are just doing the same thing 90 00:04:32,279 --> 00:04:34,480 over and over and over, or they'll take three or 91 00:04:34,480 --> 00:04:37,079 four swings with each club, or they just go right 92 00:04:37,120 --> 00:04:42,000 to the driver. What are your frustrations with watching people practice. 93 00:04:42,160 --> 00:04:45,000 Speaker 4: Well, I've seen all different levels. You get some people 94 00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:48,040 that are very analytical and they'll sit out there and 95 00:04:48,879 --> 00:04:53,879 they've got their notes and they're thinking about the you know, 96 00:04:53,920 --> 00:04:56,480 they're analyzing and thinking about different shots. And then you've 97 00:04:56,480 --> 00:04:58,079 got other people that are out there and just trying 98 00:04:58,120 --> 00:04:59,600 to bang the ball and hit it as solid as 99 00:04:59,639 --> 00:05:02,480 they can, hit it as far as they can. I 100 00:05:02,480 --> 00:05:05,000 don't know if there's really any method that they have. 101 00:05:06,199 --> 00:05:07,959 I think if you're going to go there's two reasons 102 00:05:08,000 --> 00:05:10,639 to go to the driving range, simply to warm up 103 00:05:10,639 --> 00:05:14,399 to go play, or you need to have a purpose. 104 00:05:14,920 --> 00:05:17,920 Why am I here? Otherwise it's just exercise, and I 105 00:05:17,920 --> 00:05:21,839 think more people unfortunately probably do that then go out 106 00:05:21,839 --> 00:05:23,439 there with a specific purpose. 107 00:05:24,759 --> 00:05:28,040 Speaker 1: Do you, I mean other than when a club event, 108 00:05:28,120 --> 00:05:30,600 club championship type of thing is coming up. Do most 109 00:05:30,600 --> 00:05:32,759 people just come in for a warm up before the 110 00:05:32,920 --> 00:05:37,279 round or are they seriously out there practicing two tents. 111 00:05:36,879 --> 00:05:38,639 Speaker 4: So it depends on the time of day. The morning 112 00:05:38,680 --> 00:05:41,279 people are out there warming up. The afternoons where you 113 00:05:41,279 --> 00:05:44,199 see people camping over that bucket of balls or several 114 00:05:44,279 --> 00:05:45,720 buckets and working on their game. 115 00:05:46,519 --> 00:05:49,120 Speaker 1: How do you feel about someone just taking two hundred 116 00:05:49,120 --> 00:05:50,199 balls a day and just. 117 00:05:50,639 --> 00:05:55,040 Speaker 4: Well than nothing, it's better than nothing. I mean, you know, 118 00:05:55,040 --> 00:05:58,480 when I give a lesson, I say, listen, this is 119 00:05:58,480 --> 00:06:01,040 a fifty to fifty deal. You need to take lessons 120 00:06:01,040 --> 00:06:03,160 if you're going to improve, and you need to hit 121 00:06:03,199 --> 00:06:06,120 golf balls. You have to get that high end eye coordination. 122 00:06:06,199 --> 00:06:08,399 You have to work on those things. So them hitting 123 00:06:08,399 --> 00:06:10,680 golf balls, at least the club is in their hands 124 00:06:11,079 --> 00:06:13,800 and there's some familiarity with that. I think that's very, 125 00:06:13,879 --> 00:06:16,360 very important. I think they'll only go so far if 126 00:06:16,399 --> 00:06:23,879 they're not if they don't have some direction and a 127 00:06:23,920 --> 00:06:26,639 purpose and a vision of where they want to be. 128 00:06:27,160 --> 00:06:29,759 And you know, if they take some good lessons and 129 00:06:29,879 --> 00:06:33,639 go to a valued instructor, they're going to have a 130 00:06:33,680 --> 00:06:36,120 path in which they want to get to their goal. 131 00:06:36,639 --> 00:06:40,399 And I'm not sure that everybody at that range. I think. 132 00:06:41,120 --> 00:06:43,040 I think too often you get people out there saying 133 00:06:43,120 --> 00:06:45,639 let me try this, let me try that. Okay, I'm 134 00:06:45,639 --> 00:06:47,639 going to try this, and before they know it, they've 135 00:06:47,680 --> 00:06:50,040 tried so many things. They don't know what's right and 136 00:06:50,079 --> 00:06:53,360 what's wrong. They could have made the correct swing and 137 00:06:53,480 --> 00:06:55,839 just didn't hit it that well, which we all do, 138 00:06:56,480 --> 00:06:59,279 and then figured, okay, well that's probably the wrong move. 139 00:06:59,639 --> 00:07:02,279 And they didn't realize that they just made a great 140 00:07:02,319 --> 00:07:06,120 swing and then they changed to something else and who knows, 141 00:07:06,160 --> 00:07:08,079 they might hit it well and think, okay, let me 142 00:07:08,120 --> 00:07:10,680 do this, and they're off track, and like I said, 143 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:14,319 they don't know. I think they get confused. Eventually, they don't. 144 00:07:14,319 --> 00:07:15,920 They've got so many things in their bag that they're 145 00:07:15,959 --> 00:07:17,879 pulling out of the grab bag that they don't know 146 00:07:17,920 --> 00:07:19,519 what's right and what's not. And very often when they 147 00:07:19,560 --> 00:07:23,120 come to a lesson, I'm wiping this light clean and 148 00:07:23,279 --> 00:07:25,120 erasing a lot. I feel like I always tell me, I 149 00:07:25,120 --> 00:07:27,199 feel like I'm the grinch, you know. I take so 150 00:07:27,240 --> 00:07:30,040 many things away from them in a lesson because I 151 00:07:30,079 --> 00:07:31,839 think people are misdirected. 152 00:07:32,959 --> 00:07:35,319 Speaker 1: Well, when you say let me try this, let me 153 00:07:35,360 --> 00:07:37,879 try this, are you talking about that? They'll say, let 154 00:07:37,920 --> 00:07:42,199 me try hitting my hybrid from under a tree, or 155 00:07:42,240 --> 00:07:44,160 it's like, oh, let me see if I can flatten 156 00:07:44,240 --> 00:07:45,600 my swing plane a little. 157 00:07:45,360 --> 00:07:48,519 Speaker 4: More, flatten the swing plan. Very few people actually will 158 00:07:48,560 --> 00:07:51,560 come to me and work on a specialty shot. You know, 159 00:07:51,600 --> 00:07:56,279 they're just trying to hit it farther, hit it more consistently, straighter. 160 00:07:56,879 --> 00:07:59,839 If it's the short game, obviously they're trying to get better. 161 00:08:00,240 --> 00:08:01,879 But for somebody to come to me and say, you know, 162 00:08:01,920 --> 00:08:05,560 I need to work on this the shot under the tree. 163 00:08:05,600 --> 00:08:07,439 One thing we have here at Marine. We have a 164 00:08:07,439 --> 00:08:09,680 hole on number seven that's very difficult and the second 165 00:08:09,680 --> 00:08:12,800 shot leaves you with very often the ball below your feet. 166 00:08:13,360 --> 00:08:15,480 So I like that specific somebody will come up to 167 00:08:15,519 --> 00:08:17,279 me specifically and say I want to work on whole 168 00:08:17,360 --> 00:08:20,439 number seven. I have a very difficult time with that 169 00:08:20,639 --> 00:08:23,120 shot to that par five, the third shot to the 170 00:08:23,160 --> 00:08:26,879 par five green with the ball below their feet sometimes 171 00:08:26,920 --> 00:08:30,560 in rough And that's the time that sometimes I'll get 172 00:08:30,639 --> 00:08:35,960 specific request on different lies or different setups. 173 00:08:37,840 --> 00:08:41,879 Speaker 1: Do you do you find yourself trying holding back of 174 00:08:41,960 --> 00:08:45,360 rolling your eyes when you when someone comes to you 175 00:08:45,399 --> 00:08:47,360 say what do you want to work on? And they say, 176 00:08:47,519 --> 00:08:49,840 I just want to be more consistent? I mean, is 177 00:08:49,879 --> 00:08:51,519 that like the number one request? 178 00:08:51,600 --> 00:08:51,840 Speaker 4: Now? 179 00:08:52,480 --> 00:08:52,720 Speaker 3: Really? 180 00:08:52,919 --> 00:08:55,000 Speaker 4: Well, well, I'll tell you what I think. It's probably 181 00:08:55,080 --> 00:08:57,039 a toss up because I get distanced a lot too. 182 00:08:57,720 --> 00:09:00,080 It's consistent, yes, yes. 183 00:09:00,159 --> 00:09:01,600 Speaker 1: And do you ever, like, don't you want to be 184 00:09:01,639 --> 00:09:02,279 closer to the hole? 185 00:09:02,320 --> 00:09:02,600 Speaker 5: Don't you? 186 00:09:02,639 --> 00:09:04,600 Speaker 1: I mean it's like, really, do you know how far 187 00:09:04,679 --> 00:09:06,799 you hit each of your clubs? You? Really is distance 188 00:09:06,919 --> 00:09:08,480 the thing that's holding you back. 189 00:09:08,639 --> 00:09:10,519 Speaker 4: Oh. I always tell them that's the car before the horse. 190 00:09:10,559 --> 00:09:12,080 That's the last thing I want to talk about. 191 00:09:12,200 --> 00:09:12,600 Speaker 5: Really. 192 00:09:12,720 --> 00:09:17,519 Speaker 1: Well, yeah, tell them to play different teas, yeah, right, right. 193 00:09:17,679 --> 00:09:21,200 Speaker 4: Well, what I tell them is that I I did 194 00:09:21,200 --> 00:09:25,360 a little experiment on my own. I hit my pitching 195 00:09:25,360 --> 00:09:27,159 wedg about one hundred and thirty hundred and thirty five 196 00:09:27,240 --> 00:09:29,879 yards and just dawned on me one day that you know, 197 00:09:29,960 --> 00:09:31,960 part four might be one hundred or three hundred and 198 00:09:32,080 --> 00:09:35,200 ninety or four hundred or in that neighborhood for most people, 199 00:09:35,759 --> 00:09:38,080 I can hit that green in three with my pitching wedge, 200 00:09:38,480 --> 00:09:40,519 and since I'm hitting a pitching wedge into the green, 201 00:09:41,080 --> 00:09:44,639 I should get within reason anyways. And I would use 202 00:09:44,639 --> 00:09:46,799 my pitching wedge to actually put the ball too, and 203 00:09:46,879 --> 00:09:49,240 just kind of hit the equator of the ball with 204 00:09:49,320 --> 00:09:52,080 the lead edge of the club. And so I decided 205 00:09:52,080 --> 00:09:53,600 to go out and play nine holes with my pitching 206 00:09:53,600 --> 00:09:55,720 watch just for the heck of it. And on the 207 00:09:55,840 --> 00:09:58,639 very first hole, I hit my third shot six feet away, 208 00:09:58,960 --> 00:10:01,399 missed the putt, but I mean there was an opportunity 209 00:10:01,440 --> 00:10:04,000 to part, and I ended up boguing in for forty 210 00:10:04,039 --> 00:10:07,159 five for nine holes. So that's a ninety if I 211 00:10:07,159 --> 00:10:10,600 if I double that, play eighteen holes and I have 212 00:10:10,919 --> 00:10:15,039 hit a maximum shot one hundred and thirty five yards. 213 00:10:15,320 --> 00:10:17,039 So when somebody tells me, they come up to me 214 00:10:17,080 --> 00:10:18,840 and say, god, I can't break a hundred, I can't 215 00:10:18,840 --> 00:10:20,759 break ninety, and I, you know, well, how far do 216 00:10:20,799 --> 00:10:23,879 you hit it? About one eighty two hundred. I tell 217 00:10:23,919 --> 00:10:26,320 them they're barking up the wrong tree. And I also, 218 00:10:26,399 --> 00:10:30,399 you know, I think that that contact and direction consistencies 219 00:10:30,399 --> 00:10:33,639 certainly are well above distance. So at least I've got 220 00:10:33,679 --> 00:10:38,039 a little little data and a little history to support 221 00:10:38,080 --> 00:10:40,200 what I say. And they buy into it pretty quickly. 222 00:10:40,240 --> 00:10:40,840 I think. 223 00:10:46,919 --> 00:10:49,120 Speaker 1: We talked about this previously. Now I'm just starting to 224 00:10:49,159 --> 00:10:51,279 comprehend what you were saying. You played the entire nine 225 00:10:51,279 --> 00:10:53,240 holes with just your nine iron. 226 00:10:53,080 --> 00:10:57,919 Speaker 4: Pitching watch, with your pitching wedge only oh only, Yeah. 227 00:10:58,080 --> 00:10:59,200 Speaker 5: That I've great challenge. 228 00:10:59,320 --> 00:11:02,279 Speaker 4: I've even I've even had playing lessons where I'll say, okay, 229 00:11:02,360 --> 00:11:05,320 we're on our last hole times running out, I'll play 230 00:11:05,440 --> 00:11:07,240 I'm just gonna use my pitching wedge and I'll play 231 00:11:07,240 --> 00:11:10,559 against you heads up and I've powered holes. I I 232 00:11:11,200 --> 00:11:14,720 it's it's almost embarrassing for them because I just show 233 00:11:14,799 --> 00:11:18,039 them how simple this is. If it's if you just 234 00:11:18,080 --> 00:11:19,600 hit it one hundred and thirty five yards and you're 235 00:11:19,600 --> 00:11:22,039 halfway consistent. You know how people are, they want to 236 00:11:22,120 --> 00:11:24,720 bust the ball, especially the young male. A lot of 237 00:11:24,720 --> 00:11:26,440 the lot of the young male just they come out 238 00:11:26,480 --> 00:11:28,759 of their shoes and you know, they're all over the 239 00:11:28,799 --> 00:11:30,960 lot and it's so much it'd be so much better 240 00:11:30,960 --> 00:11:33,279 if you could get them to tone down and just 241 00:11:33,360 --> 00:11:35,399 keep it in play, they'd play so much better. But 242 00:11:35,759 --> 00:11:38,559 I think that's a fight with a testosterone. 243 00:11:38,559 --> 00:11:41,039 Speaker 5: Well you know that that are four letter word ego. 244 00:11:41,279 --> 00:11:41,799 Speaker 4: Yeah. 245 00:11:41,840 --> 00:11:44,080 Speaker 5: Absolutely, it gets in the way of everything, you know. 246 00:11:44,240 --> 00:11:46,000 Speaker 4: Yeah, And I tell people, you know, you're better off 247 00:11:46,039 --> 00:11:48,120 just getting up there and I'm gonna bunt this down 248 00:11:48,159 --> 00:11:51,159 the middle of the fairway attitude, and you will play better. 249 00:11:51,159 --> 00:11:53,840 And I've seen people with injuries play better because they 250 00:11:53,879 --> 00:11:55,679 have to. They have to tone down a little bit, 251 00:11:55,759 --> 00:11:58,879 swing easier, that's right, pull back and relax a little bit. 252 00:11:58,960 --> 00:12:01,759 More they swing ease year and I think more times 253 00:12:01,759 --> 00:12:03,639 than that people play better when they have to do 254 00:12:03,679 --> 00:12:04,840 that because of an injury. 255 00:12:05,159 --> 00:12:05,559 Speaker 5: Mm hmm. 256 00:12:06,039 --> 00:12:07,960 Speaker 4: You think they'd play worse because they were hurting. 257 00:12:08,000 --> 00:12:10,360 Speaker 1: No, it's just the hardest thing to comprehend that you 258 00:12:10,360 --> 00:12:12,039 can hit the ball farther if you don't swing as 259 00:12:12,080 --> 00:12:14,080 hard well, and it's swing fast, grow. 260 00:12:13,960 --> 00:12:16,919 Speaker 4: Up though throwing. You want to go farther, you throw 261 00:12:16,960 --> 00:12:19,120 it harder. You want to hit that ball out of 262 00:12:19,120 --> 00:12:22,000 the park, you swing harder. Uh. And it just makes 263 00:12:22,200 --> 00:12:24,799 sense from the sports we grew up with that. Well, 264 00:12:24,840 --> 00:12:26,559 if I swing as hard as I can, this sucker 265 00:12:26,639 --> 00:12:29,399 is gonna fly. And it's so much Mechanics are so 266 00:12:29,519 --> 00:12:33,159 much more important in golf, uh than than power. And 267 00:12:33,279 --> 00:12:36,600 I think you can get power through mechanics. You're not 268 00:12:36,639 --> 00:12:39,159 going to find mechanics going the power route. 269 00:12:39,519 --> 00:12:39,919 Speaker 5: Mm hmm. 270 00:12:40,519 --> 00:12:42,679 Speaker 1: Well, it's you know, hit down to make it go up, 271 00:12:42,960 --> 00:12:45,159 swinging easier to make it go farther, opposite. 272 00:12:45,159 --> 00:12:47,759 Speaker 4: It's to the core, isn't it. It's just it's as 273 00:12:47,799 --> 00:12:49,840 it makes sense, yes, yeah, and it's hard. 274 00:12:49,919 --> 00:12:52,000 Speaker 1: I mean I know that that I try to contain 275 00:12:52,080 --> 00:12:54,519 myself on my drives, and yet I find myself just 276 00:12:54,559 --> 00:12:55,440 coming out of my shoes. 277 00:12:55,559 --> 00:12:57,919 Speaker 4: Sure, it's like, cut it out, keep your feet on 278 00:12:57,960 --> 00:12:58,399 the ground. 279 00:12:58,559 --> 00:13:02,559 Speaker 1: Yeah, just swinging Select forty five and a half inches. 280 00:13:03,840 --> 00:13:06,960 Speaker 4: You're with the masses and they keep me busy. Actually, 281 00:13:07,159 --> 00:13:07,720 well that's good. 282 00:13:07,919 --> 00:13:12,480 Speaker 1: What's the difference between being a head professional at a 283 00:13:12,519 --> 00:13:16,600 country club versus or have you done anything if you 284 00:13:16,639 --> 00:13:18,120 worked at public courses. 285 00:13:17,799 --> 00:13:19,679 Speaker 4: Before or just I've been at a public course, I've 286 00:13:19,720 --> 00:13:22,639 been just an instructor at a private course. I've been 287 00:13:22,840 --> 00:13:26,480 assistant slash instructor and now head professional at Marine Country Club. 288 00:13:26,480 --> 00:13:29,360 And you know, if you're the instructor, well, that's your 289 00:13:29,559 --> 00:13:31,720 job all day long. Every day you're going out and 290 00:13:31,799 --> 00:13:34,399 lessons all day or playing lessons, where if you're the 291 00:13:34,440 --> 00:13:38,360 head golf professional, lessons are just a small piece of 292 00:13:38,039 --> 00:13:42,440 the puzzle. You're running a business, tournaments, merchandise and the 293 00:13:42,559 --> 00:13:46,120 day to day operations, and your whole staff is teaching 294 00:13:46,159 --> 00:13:48,320 and you're not sitting on the tee all day. And 295 00:13:48,919 --> 00:13:52,559 I love teaching. It's it's extremely rewarding. But for years 296 00:13:52,600 --> 00:13:55,159 and years that's all I did, and it's kind of 297 00:13:55,240 --> 00:13:56,639 nice to take a break and just do it a 298 00:13:56,639 --> 00:13:58,320 little bit more. I think it's more rewarding that I 299 00:13:59,080 --> 00:14:01,600 do it part time. No, I get more out of 300 00:14:01,639 --> 00:14:04,759 it now. Nice, that's nice, and hopefully they get more 301 00:14:04,799 --> 00:14:06,759 at me. Yeah, well, of course, I mean if you're 302 00:14:06,799 --> 00:14:09,679 there person after person after person, I mean you're a 303 00:14:09,679 --> 00:14:11,679 pretty strong person to have the same energy that at 304 00:14:11,720 --> 00:14:14,440 the end of the week for client number fifty, then 305 00:14:14,519 --> 00:14:16,639 you did the first one. 306 00:14:17,200 --> 00:14:19,720 Speaker 1: And what we haven't talked about is Marine Country Club 307 00:14:19,759 --> 00:14:21,039 is managed by Truon Golf. 308 00:14:21,200 --> 00:14:23,399 Speaker 4: Yes, and they have. 309 00:14:23,960 --> 00:14:25,600 Speaker 1: Why don't you give me a little shout out for 310 00:14:25,639 --> 00:14:28,559 true because I've always a big fan of Truon golf courses, 311 00:14:28,639 --> 00:14:31,840 in the public courses and the resort courses that I've played. 312 00:14:31,960 --> 00:14:34,279 I just love the way they manage a golf course. 313 00:14:34,600 --> 00:14:38,080 I love the condition of every Truon course I've ever played. 314 00:14:38,320 --> 00:14:42,120 I'm a big fan and the fact that you know 315 00:14:42,279 --> 00:14:45,759 I've got this Truon course in my backyard makes me crazy. 316 00:14:46,320 --> 00:14:47,440 What is it about Trouon? 317 00:14:47,559 --> 00:14:49,879 Speaker 4: Well, first of all, in two thousand and eight, Truon 318 00:14:50,000 --> 00:14:52,840 started to manage my club that I was in South Florida. 319 00:14:52,879 --> 00:14:56,840 It's a fifty four hole facility, private equity, gated, high 320 00:14:56,960 --> 00:15:00,639 end and they turned that club around. I believe the 321 00:15:00,720 --> 00:15:02,759 year they moved in, or just the year before they 322 00:15:02,799 --> 00:15:05,519 moved in, uh, they lost to three quarters of a 323 00:15:05,519 --> 00:15:08,480 million dollars, and two years after they came in they 324 00:15:08,480 --> 00:15:11,440 actually made three quarters of a million dollars. The conditions 325 00:15:11,440 --> 00:15:15,320 of the courses complete one eighty they were in trouble, 326 00:15:15,519 --> 00:15:19,039 and they went from again being in some bit of 327 00:15:19,919 --> 00:15:24,159 trouble to the facility of the year within Truon and 328 00:15:24,200 --> 00:15:27,279 Truon manages two hundred golf courses or approximately two hundred 329 00:15:27,320 --> 00:15:31,159 golf courses, and they've got a lot of resources. And 330 00:15:31,200 --> 00:15:34,600 then they came into Marin, and Marin brought them in 331 00:15:34,639 --> 00:15:37,399 for a reason, and so far the feedback has been 332 00:15:37,440 --> 00:15:42,320 extremely positive and they're very good at it taking care 333 00:15:42,360 --> 00:15:44,759 of your country club. The conditions of the courses. I 334 00:15:44,799 --> 00:15:48,360 go to the Truon managers or I mean, I never wonder. 335 00:15:48,799 --> 00:15:50,759 I know they're going to be in good condition. And 336 00:15:50,799 --> 00:15:55,559 the staff is the customer service is fantastic. I mean, 337 00:15:55,720 --> 00:15:59,799 it's it's a great friendly atmosphere with every Truon course. 338 00:16:00,320 --> 00:16:01,519 So it's great to be a part of them, it 339 00:16:01,559 --> 00:16:04,120 really is. And that's how I came to Marin because 340 00:16:04,159 --> 00:16:07,159 I was working at the course in South Florida Ball 341 00:16:07,200 --> 00:16:09,519 and Owls and they needed a head professional and asked 342 00:16:09,519 --> 00:16:11,879 if I would be interested, and I left it the chance. 343 00:16:12,039 --> 00:16:15,120 Speaker 1: The general manager here at Marin Country Club, Ryan Wilson. 344 00:16:16,000 --> 00:16:19,879 He was actually featured on Golf Smarter back in two 345 00:16:19,960 --> 00:16:22,080 thousand and six when he was general manager of a 346 00:16:22,120 --> 00:16:23,360 truon course in Arizona. 347 00:16:23,480 --> 00:16:24,720 Speaker 4: So that's what happened to his career. 348 00:16:24,840 --> 00:16:28,679 Speaker 5: Yeah, he's not listening. 349 00:16:31,559 --> 00:16:34,159 Speaker 1: But one of the things that was said then, and 350 00:16:34,159 --> 00:16:36,600 it's always rung true to me, is that at the 351 00:16:36,639 --> 00:16:40,279 public truoned courses, they treat their guests like members. 352 00:16:40,399 --> 00:16:42,519 Speaker 4: Yeah, and I've always said that. Actually I was at 353 00:16:42,519 --> 00:16:44,360 a public course and somebody asked me what the difference is, 354 00:16:44,399 --> 00:16:48,159 and I said, I don't see a difference. I you know, 355 00:16:48,279 --> 00:16:51,360 you see some are returning customers, but a lot of 356 00:16:51,360 --> 00:16:53,679 new customers with a public golf course. But I still 357 00:16:53,720 --> 00:16:56,240 treat them as if they're my member. I just don't 358 00:16:56,720 --> 00:16:59,039 you know, with a with a member club, Yes, you 359 00:16:59,080 --> 00:17:01,440 spend a lot more time with them. They become almost family. 360 00:17:01,519 --> 00:17:04,240 There's a more of a relationship there. But is there 361 00:17:04,240 --> 00:17:07,240 any different respect level or the way you handle them 362 00:17:07,279 --> 00:17:10,559 in the service department. No, I don't. I don't think so. 363 00:17:11,559 --> 00:17:14,000 Speaker 1: And we know that the golf industry has had some 364 00:17:14,079 --> 00:17:16,759 difficult times over the last few years, as every industry 365 00:17:16,839 --> 00:17:21,880 has UH and UH. Private courses have been deeply affected 366 00:17:21,880 --> 00:17:24,400 by this, many courses closing every single year. 367 00:17:25,279 --> 00:17:29,240 Speaker 4: How's business business for Morena is very good. We're fortunate. 368 00:17:29,720 --> 00:17:32,920 We're in a pretty nice area of Morenne County and 369 00:17:32,960 --> 00:17:37,599 we are fortunate to that we don't have to worry. 370 00:17:37,640 --> 00:17:39,519 I mean, we're always looking for more members, but we're 371 00:17:39,519 --> 00:17:42,200 not in a position that we're going to be closing 372 00:17:42,200 --> 00:17:42,640 our doors. 373 00:17:42,680 --> 00:17:47,680 Speaker 1: Fortunately, hopefully not. 374 00:17:45,920 --> 00:17:47,559 Speaker 4: Not a chance, not a chance. 375 00:17:48,119 --> 00:17:50,039 Speaker 1: All right, Let's let's talk about those shots in your 376 00:17:50,079 --> 00:17:52,519 bag that you don't practice. Let's let's think about a 377 00:17:52,519 --> 00:17:55,039 couple of different shots that that people should be thinking 378 00:17:55,039 --> 00:17:59,039 about when they're on the practice facility at the driving range. 379 00:18:00,680 --> 00:18:02,920 Let's say you play a course it has a lot 380 00:18:02,960 --> 00:18:07,119 of trees, low hanging trees. Let's talk about how you 381 00:18:07,160 --> 00:18:10,400 would approach and right out here. 382 00:18:10,319 --> 00:18:12,279 Speaker 4: There there's you know, you've got to right outside your door. 383 00:18:12,960 --> 00:18:16,119 Speaker 1: I've seen people standing, well, there's a bunker right outside 384 00:18:16,160 --> 00:18:19,240 my gate here. But there's a couple of trees here 385 00:18:19,279 --> 00:18:22,200 that you cannot get a good shot at the green, 386 00:18:22,400 --> 00:18:24,599 because your drive is going to end up under some 387 00:18:24,960 --> 00:18:26,880 trees that have branches that are no more than ten 388 00:18:26,920 --> 00:18:27,400 feet high. 389 00:18:27,519 --> 00:18:29,000 Speaker 4: Yep. If you're a right hander and you slice it 390 00:18:29,039 --> 00:18:33,319 off your tee, you're most likely navigating some trees and 391 00:18:33,400 --> 00:18:34,880 possibly going under them. Yeah. 392 00:18:34,960 --> 00:18:39,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, So first thing we have to learn, and one 393 00:18:39,680 --> 00:18:41,720 of my all time favorite lines is never follow a 394 00:18:41,759 --> 00:18:43,559 bad shot with a stupid shot and. 395 00:18:43,880 --> 00:18:46,720 Speaker 4: You're going right where you should. I mean the you know, 396 00:18:47,000 --> 00:18:50,160 I believe that the first mistake isn't what kills you. 397 00:18:50,200 --> 00:18:52,240 It's the second one. And if you try to make 398 00:18:52,279 --> 00:18:54,920 up for the first one, there goes double and triple. 399 00:18:55,119 --> 00:18:56,920 Speaker 1: You need to take you you're going to add you're 400 00:18:56,920 --> 00:18:58,079 going to add strokes to your score. 401 00:18:58,119 --> 00:19:00,559 Speaker 4: Oh absolutely, you're trying to make up for that first mistake, 402 00:19:00,599 --> 00:19:03,240 and you're going to have triple before you know it. 403 00:19:03,240 --> 00:19:06,400 It's hard to swallow, but in most cases, you need 404 00:19:06,440 --> 00:19:08,359 to get yourself to a position to hit on the 405 00:19:08,359 --> 00:19:12,799 green and then take your bow gee or whatever position 406 00:19:12,839 --> 00:19:15,000 you're in and get out of there and minimize the damage. 407 00:19:15,160 --> 00:19:18,920 And know that it happens to most people. Uh, And 408 00:19:18,960 --> 00:19:20,880 it is an attitude I believe when you go out 409 00:19:20,880 --> 00:19:23,319 to play to have that. I think that if you 410 00:19:23,400 --> 00:19:25,599 go out there and try to if you train yourself 411 00:19:25,680 --> 00:19:28,559 to go out there and just try to minimize the damage, 412 00:19:28,599 --> 00:19:31,119 you'll do better. And I can guarantee you most people 413 00:19:31,119 --> 00:19:35,599 listening right now probably either now or at some point 414 00:19:36,480 --> 00:19:38,799 didn't do that. I think they try to look at 415 00:19:38,799 --> 00:19:41,079 that little hole between the branches and make up for it, 416 00:19:41,160 --> 00:19:44,039 or try to hit a very low shot, and uh, 417 00:19:44,440 --> 00:19:48,240 you know, the very very good players practice that. You don't, 418 00:19:49,279 --> 00:19:52,279 nor do you have the mechanics in your golf swing 419 00:19:52,319 --> 00:19:56,960 to probably pull that shot off. You know, the hitting. 420 00:19:57,119 --> 00:19:59,920 You know, there's a what was that saying there? The 421 00:20:00,079 --> 00:20:03,319 said something about when you're hitting through that tree there. 422 00:20:03,400 --> 00:20:07,279 Somebody said it was ninety percent air and one triple bogie. 423 00:20:07,160 --> 00:20:13,960 Speaker 5: Ye have heard something similar. Trees are like screens. Yeah, yeah, great, 424 00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:14,720 but you're still. 425 00:20:15,440 --> 00:20:16,599 Speaker 4: A screen door, that's correct. 426 00:20:16,680 --> 00:20:18,039 Speaker 5: Yeah, you know. 427 00:20:18,079 --> 00:20:22,599 Speaker 1: It's like, uh, watching Bubba play, you just never know 428 00:20:22,640 --> 00:20:24,880 what he's going to try to do and if he's 429 00:20:24,920 --> 00:20:25,759 going to pull it off. 430 00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:26,920 Speaker 5: But what we don't. 431 00:20:26,720 --> 00:20:29,359 Speaker 1: Realize is that he probably practices all those shots. 432 00:20:29,359 --> 00:20:32,480 Speaker 5: Tiger. If anybody you know you see him do these 433 00:20:32,480 --> 00:20:34,119 shots that are outrageous. 434 00:20:34,200 --> 00:20:36,200 Speaker 1: But you got to know that he's probably practiced that 435 00:20:36,240 --> 00:20:39,200 shot a thousand times where we have seen it on TV. 436 00:20:39,279 --> 00:20:40,279 Speaker 5: Going, I can do this. 437 00:20:40,359 --> 00:20:43,160 Speaker 4: Yeah, And not only do they practice a lot, they 438 00:20:43,160 --> 00:20:47,680 have tremendous control and awareness of where their hands and 439 00:20:47,720 --> 00:20:51,160 club face are during the swing. And most amateurs, vast 440 00:20:51,200 --> 00:20:55,079 majority have no idea. Uh if I tell him to 441 00:20:55,119 --> 00:20:57,240 take it inside and close the face versus up and 442 00:20:57,440 --> 00:20:58,799 most people can't do that. 443 00:20:59,519 --> 00:21:01,279 Speaker 5: They they understand what you're talking about. 444 00:21:02,359 --> 00:21:04,039 Speaker 4: There's a percentage that didn't know what I'm talking about. 445 00:21:04,079 --> 00:21:06,119 But you're right. Some people I'll say that and they 446 00:21:06,400 --> 00:21:09,519 you know, it's a deer in the headlights. Yeah. So 447 00:21:09,759 --> 00:21:12,319 so those those people, the pros, the better players, not 448 00:21:12,359 --> 00:21:15,680 only practice it, they they can feel where that club 449 00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:17,480 and hands are. And if you can't feel where your 450 00:21:17,480 --> 00:21:20,400 clubhead is or your hands are and manipulate that during 451 00:21:20,440 --> 00:21:23,119 the backswing or nowhere to go, well you've got no 452 00:21:23,279 --> 00:21:27,799 business trying those those specialty shots. 453 00:21:33,559 --> 00:21:35,319 Speaker 1: So let's talk about that shot where you've got to 454 00:21:35,400 --> 00:21:37,039 keep the ball low, but you still need to get 455 00:21:37,079 --> 00:21:40,720 it seventy eighty yards and you know, if you pull 456 00:21:40,759 --> 00:21:43,319 out your if you pull out your four iron, which 457 00:21:43,480 --> 00:21:44,960 you know that's you know you're gonna have You're not 458 00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:46,559 gonna be able to take a full swing, but you 459 00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:49,920 got to keep the ball low. Let's let's can you 460 00:21:49,839 --> 00:21:51,720 do you mind walking me through the mechanics of how 461 00:21:51,759 --> 00:21:53,119 to do that? And if you need to stand up, 462 00:21:53,160 --> 00:21:54,960 you have plenty of room here and I can stand 463 00:21:55,039 --> 00:21:55,359 up with you. 464 00:21:55,440 --> 00:22:00,079 Speaker 4: But well, for one, you're going to take probably a 465 00:22:00,079 --> 00:22:02,079 little bit extra club, meaning you're going to have to 466 00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:05,599 deloft your club. If you want to hit it low, 467 00:22:05,680 --> 00:22:07,880 you need to take a five iron, you know, and 468 00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:10,759 this might be only a seventy yard one hundred yard shot, 469 00:22:10,839 --> 00:22:12,640 but you might have to take a five iron, and 470 00:22:12,680 --> 00:22:14,599 you've got to learn that it's more of a chip 471 00:22:14,599 --> 00:22:17,319 shot type swing in length, and that club's going to 472 00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:20,039 stay very low. The ball position is going to be back. 473 00:22:20,319 --> 00:22:24,039 And I think here's one of the stands already. I 474 00:22:24,039 --> 00:22:25,960 think here's one of the most difficult things is when 475 00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:28,960 you're trying to follow through, your head better be very 476 00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:31,440 still and your hands better stay in front of that 477 00:22:31,519 --> 00:22:35,880 club face beyond impact, and your follow through needs to 478 00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:38,759 stay low. You're not finishing in a high finish, You're 479 00:22:38,839 --> 00:22:41,000 keeping that club head low along the ground. And not 480 00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:44,519 going that far past. You're certainly not getting your head 481 00:22:44,599 --> 00:22:47,480 your club head passed waist high. So it's more of 482 00:22:47,519 --> 00:22:49,519 a I don't know if I want to use the 483 00:22:49,519 --> 00:22:54,200 word bunt, but it's it's basically a little pop. It's 484 00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:55,640 not a full swing, but I think you need to 485 00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:58,759 make sure your club head stays low. Critically, your head 486 00:22:58,799 --> 00:23:00,680 has to stay still. We tend to when we try 487 00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:02,880 to hit that with our hands forward and keeping our 488 00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:05,559 club head low. Our bodies and heads tend to go 489 00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:08,519 forward ahead of the ball. At the same time we 490 00:23:08,559 --> 00:23:10,640 can top the ball, you don't hit it very good 491 00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:13,200 and it's a miss. So keeping the head very still 492 00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:16,440 and maintaining your hands ahead of club face with a 493 00:23:16,599 --> 00:23:19,920 very short follow through, and there's a lot of feel involved. 494 00:23:20,039 --> 00:23:21,799 Speaker 1: Are you coming down on the ball at that. 495 00:23:21,759 --> 00:23:23,480 Speaker 4: Point, Yeah, a little bit, but you've got a pretty 496 00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:23,960 shallow You. 497 00:23:24,039 --> 00:23:25,440 Speaker 5: Come down too hard, it's gonna. 498 00:23:25,319 --> 00:23:27,119 Speaker 4: Well exactly and you've got but the thing is you're 499 00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:29,240 coming You're gonna come down on that shot. Yeah, but 500 00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:32,680 it's not nearly the degree of a full swing. You 501 00:23:32,759 --> 00:23:35,599 have a very shallow swing you're making. It's going to 502 00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:39,119 be fairly low back and fairly low through because as 503 00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:41,920 you just said and described was that if you go 504 00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:43,960 too high or too vertical with your back swing and 505 00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:47,119 swing down, that ball goes upwards. So you want to 506 00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:49,599 flatten your swing. If you flat it, meaning keeping your 507 00:23:49,599 --> 00:23:52,359 club head low to the ground, taking it away and 508 00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:54,880 going through, that'll produce a lower ball flight. 509 00:23:55,839 --> 00:23:57,880 Speaker 1: Two other things that I would think would be really 510 00:23:57,920 --> 00:24:02,119 important to again, you want your mind to be cleaned 511 00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:06,160 and clear, but you've got to keep a sense of 512 00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:10,440 what you're doing here. Is one your grip, because I 513 00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:12,920 know in a situation like that for me, white knuckles, 514 00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:16,000 you know, squeezing this thing with her. And Second, your rhythm. 515 00:24:16,519 --> 00:24:18,440 I would think that that's something people tend to get. 516 00:24:18,319 --> 00:24:21,240 Speaker 4: A little quick when they have to shorten their backswing. Uh, 517 00:24:21,279 --> 00:24:23,519 and do that shot. And you've got to make sure 518 00:24:23,559 --> 00:24:26,359 you take that back swing slow and try to pause. 519 00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:27,559 Don't be in a rush again. 520 00:24:27,759 --> 00:24:29,720 Speaker 1: Pausewhere wait, wait, keep going pause at. 521 00:24:29,599 --> 00:24:31,480 Speaker 4: The at the top of your back swing or it's 522 00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:33,200 not gonna be the top. It's gonna be Yeah, the 523 00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:36,480 top of your backswing happens to be maybe waist high. Yeah, 524 00:24:36,519 --> 00:24:38,680 but you need to be patient there and A and 525 00:24:38,759 --> 00:24:41,680 A and A being relaxed having your hands soft will 526 00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:45,119 help that. Again, you know, I can, I can describe 527 00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:49,519 those motions and those mechanics. That's only a small percentage. 528 00:24:49,559 --> 00:24:51,559 You've got to get out there and now try to 529 00:24:51,559 --> 00:24:54,359 make that happen and have either your own video or 530 00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:55,880 have somebody watch you to make sure that you are 531 00:24:55,960 --> 00:25:00,000 indeed doing what the article or what I'm saying, because 532 00:25:00,039 --> 00:25:01,680 a lot of people take that article from the from 533 00:25:01,759 --> 00:25:04,559 the news or from the magazine and they really don't 534 00:25:04,559 --> 00:25:07,359 apply it correctly. So you need to have somebody make 535 00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:09,359 sure you know you have the knowledge. Now let's make 536 00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:10,599 sure you execute it properly. 537 00:25:11,559 --> 00:25:13,480 Speaker 1: Are these magazines doing damage? 538 00:25:14,799 --> 00:25:18,119 Speaker 4: Uh? To some? Sure to some. I mean the articles 539 00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:22,079 are fantastic and there's a lot of good, but not 540 00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:26,119 everybody knows what pertains to them. And a lot of 541 00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:30,480 people don't know how to take what they've read and 542 00:25:30,519 --> 00:25:33,079 then have that application work. 543 00:25:33,759 --> 00:25:36,640 Speaker 1: And some people learn watching video versus readings. 544 00:25:36,759 --> 00:25:40,640 Speaker 4: Absolutely, you know, absolutely, So you know, I certainly don't 545 00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:42,079 want to take a shot at that. But they keep 546 00:25:42,079 --> 00:25:44,400 me busy some of those articles, because you know, I've 547 00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:46,319 had people bring me articles and say, Ken, look at this, 548 00:25:46,359 --> 00:25:49,519 read this, you know, and whoa time out and I 549 00:25:50,839 --> 00:25:52,160 know it's not yeah, exactly. 550 00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:55,640 Speaker 1: Oh interesting, Now I want to get back to that 551 00:25:55,759 --> 00:26:01,279 concept of the pause and and on a normal swing, 552 00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:04,519 are we pausing at the top or is this very Specific's. 553 00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:07,839 Speaker 4: A good question. There always needs to be. There's sometimes 554 00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:09,599 that people are quick and I'll say you need to 555 00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:11,599 pause at the top. I want you to feel a pause. 556 00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:14,200 I don't want to see it. And there is a 557 00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:17,759 big difference. Well, people feel like they're going to pause. 558 00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:20,599 Sometimes I say, listen, because of your swing, you're going 559 00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:22,119 to feel like you're having a tea party up there 560 00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:23,839 and that you're never going to get back to that 561 00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:26,519 golf ball. But when I watch them swing and then 562 00:26:26,559 --> 00:26:29,480 I show them on video right after, it looks like 563 00:26:29,599 --> 00:26:33,599 the normal transition pace. It's just again the feeling you 564 00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:35,599 have to you have to be able to see that 565 00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:38,799 on video or have somebody watch you to give you 566 00:26:38,839 --> 00:26:41,640 the confidence that you're not sitting up there forever. There 567 00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:43,839 is a certain pace to the swing, and the transition 568 00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:45,720 to me is one of the most important parts of 569 00:26:45,759 --> 00:26:49,759 the swing. The speed of which you change your transition. 570 00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:52,200 It needs to be soft, it needs to be relaxed. 571 00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:54,000 It's one of the most important things in my swing. 572 00:26:54,759 --> 00:26:57,640 The things I think about are the pace of my backswing, 573 00:26:57,680 --> 00:27:01,359 which is nice and slow, and to feel a pause. Now, 574 00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:03,880 that pause that I feel could be very different than 575 00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:06,319 what you feel. But there's a certain pace to my 576 00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:08,720 swing that could be different than the pace to your swing. 577 00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:11,200 You need to find what it is. I think most 578 00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:14,119 people don't. They go a little too fast in the 579 00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:17,160 backswing and they don't pause enough. And again I don't 580 00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:20,680 mean a literal pause. It's not like, no, we're. 581 00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:22,839 Speaker 5: Not going yeah exactly, taking literally what does that mean? 582 00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:25,119 Speaker 4: Well, we're not going up there, and I mean to 583 00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:27,200 suggest a pause. You're thinking you're going up there, and 584 00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:31,160 you're hitting literally hitting the pause button and everything is stopping. No. 585 00:27:31,279 --> 00:27:34,279 I think that that there needs to be a soft transition, 586 00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:37,000 and that's probably a better term. I like that, Okay, 587 00:27:37,039 --> 00:27:39,359 there needs to be a soft transition to up and down. 588 00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:42,279 There's not a hirky jerky motion. It needs to be 589 00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:46,039 very smooth. And there's a big difference and probably a 590 00:27:46,039 --> 00:27:48,680 big difference in your result when you take a swing 591 00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:52,319 that is very calm at the top and the other 592 00:27:52,319 --> 00:27:54,279 one that is very rigid and very. 593 00:27:54,240 --> 00:28:02,240 Speaker 1: Abrupt, rigid face, hands, shoulders, pants, everything rigid tight. 594 00:28:02,559 --> 00:28:04,880 Speaker 4: I'll tell somebody, if you relax through your whole game 595 00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:06,880 and through your whole swing, you'll do more for yourself 596 00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:11,480 than anything else I can do for you. Really, absolutely, absolutely, 597 00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:17,200 I think it's very very very important. In fact, I've 598 00:28:17,279 --> 00:28:19,680 learned from experience that I'll get up to a drive 599 00:28:19,759 --> 00:28:23,279 that's that just looks daunting, it's narrow, there's all kinds 600 00:28:23,319 --> 00:28:25,279 of trouble up there, and it used to be that 601 00:28:25,319 --> 00:28:26,400 I would stand up there and. 602 00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:28,960 Speaker 5: Yeah, this all you're out there right now. 603 00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:31,680 Speaker 4: Is a perfect example. I would usually stand up there, 604 00:28:31,759 --> 00:28:33,160 or in the past, I would stand up there and 605 00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:35,319 say okay, and then I'd get tight and I'd feel 606 00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:37,240 like I'd try to steer it or aim it or 607 00:28:37,279 --> 00:28:39,720 you know whatever I was trying to do, and I'd 608 00:28:39,759 --> 00:28:44,039 never hit it straight. I hit it terrible. And this 609 00:28:44,079 --> 00:28:47,119 is how I came to know this. On a par five, 610 00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:50,319 very very often, I'll have an opportunity to go forward 611 00:28:50,319 --> 00:28:54,160 and two, and if I don't, if the risk is 612 00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:58,000 too bad or it's just too far, maybe I'll take 613 00:28:58,000 --> 00:28:59,640 a six iron out and put myself in a good 614 00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:03,960 position to hit my next shot. Those invariably are the 615 00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:06,960 most solid, best shots of the day because I'm not 616 00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:09,799 real I'm just looking. I'm relaxed, and I'm just looking 617 00:29:09,839 --> 00:29:13,519 to hit it out there, in out there for my 618 00:29:13,599 --> 00:29:16,559 third shot. I'm not firing at a flagstick where there's 619 00:29:16,599 --> 00:29:19,799 more tension. And I hit him so good, and I think, 620 00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:22,839 why don't I do that with the rest of my game, 621 00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:26,799 And so I try to do that as much as possible. 622 00:29:26,839 --> 00:29:29,000 I'll stand up on the tee and I'll just totally 623 00:29:29,039 --> 00:29:31,799 relax when I you've either struggling with my driver a 624 00:29:31,839 --> 00:29:33,680 little bit, or I've got a hole that I think, oh, 625 00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:36,319 my goodness, is this tight? And I'll tell you what. 626 00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:40,440 I hit the ball straighter a lot more often when 627 00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:42,920 I totally give in and relax and let it happen. 628 00:29:43,079 --> 00:29:45,440 And again, the game is the opposite to the core. 629 00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:47,960 You think you want to steer it and be tight 630 00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:50,839 and rigid and push it out there. No, if you 631 00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:53,400 totally give in and relax, you think that there's, oh 632 00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:56,000 my goodness, this could go anywhere. And I found, at 633 00:29:56,079 --> 00:29:59,880 least personally, I hit him better, more solid, better air. 634 00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:01,960 Time my ball goes a little bit higher, I tend 635 00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:04,240 to hit a little bit lower ball. And it's also 636 00:30:04,279 --> 00:30:09,480 from the tension, So I think that relaxing again, it's 637 00:30:09,599 --> 00:30:12,880 it is if you can do it, it's your friend. 638 00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:16,440 Speaker 1: Interesting And when you said, you know, get some video, 639 00:30:16,519 --> 00:30:18,880 have someone look at you, You're not talking about having 640 00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:20,400 a friend look at you because they're only going to 641 00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:21,319 give you bad advice. 642 00:30:21,759 --> 00:30:26,119 Speaker 4: Well yeah, but if you want, I'm not saying them 643 00:30:26,119 --> 00:30:28,279 to give you instruction. But I think that if you 644 00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:32,519 got instruction and then you knew what you needed to do, 645 00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:35,519 you just needed somebody to confirm that you are aren't 646 00:30:35,559 --> 00:30:37,720 doing it. I think that's okay. Yeah, you got to 647 00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:40,160 be a little careful with that as well, but you 648 00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:42,559 can't see it yourself, so you better either take video 649 00:30:42,559 --> 00:30:45,480 and look at it afterwards, or have somebody watching you 650 00:30:45,559 --> 00:30:45,759 do it. 651 00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:49,359 Speaker 1: Yeah, because we we think we're doing stuff. It's amazing 652 00:30:49,559 --> 00:30:55,279 how watching video of your swing is can be so depressingsing. 653 00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:58,440 Speaker 4: I've had both. I've had people be upset about it 654 00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:00,960 and I've had other people be pleasantly surprised. 655 00:31:01,079 --> 00:31:04,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, oh it's shocking. Yeah, there's no question that it's shocking. Listen, 656 00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:07,960 we we've hit our time limit on on this episode 657 00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:11,359 of Golf Smarter, but we would I would love to 658 00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:13,880 have you stick around. Uh, we can do, because I 659 00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:16,640 have so many more questions. We only got to one shot, 660 00:31:16,759 --> 00:31:18,759 that special shot in your bag, which is really what 661 00:31:18,799 --> 00:31:23,160 I wanted to cover. And it's great to have you here. 662 00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:24,799 It's great to finally get to meet. 663 00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:25,799 Speaker 5: You on the show. 664 00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:32,400 Speaker 1: And yeah, no, and and again, if anybody has any 665 00:31:32,559 --> 00:31:35,119 questions for Ken, please go ahead and click on the 666 00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:37,920 Heyfred button at golf smarter dot com and send him 667 00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:39,960 in to me and I will put you in touch 668 00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:43,400 with Ken. Absolutely, he'd be happy. That would be great. 669 00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:45,480 So can you stick around for another episode? 670 00:31:45,519 --> 00:31:45,880 Speaker 4: Certainly. 671 00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:59,359 Speaker 1: And now it's time for our score Zone Short Game Academy. 672 00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:02,759 Think of question about your short game, really think about 673 00:32:02,799 --> 00:32:04,960 your short game. You're telling me you don't have any 674 00:32:05,039 --> 00:32:08,200 questions that you'd like to ask an expert. Well, we've 675 00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:11,000 got the expert here. It's the wedge guy, Terry Gaylor 676 00:32:11,039 --> 00:32:16,240 of score Golf. Hello, Terry Hip, I'm doing well, thank you, 677 00:32:16,759 --> 00:32:20,839 And we've got an interesting question that's come in from 678 00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:25,319 Ray Dickinson. And again Ray submitted this question, and so 679 00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:29,400 he is going to receive a free scoring club of 680 00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:32,200 his choice from his selection of the group of five 681 00:32:32,359 --> 00:32:37,359 from a score forty one sixty one Wedge Scoring Club. 682 00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:40,759 He'll also receive a golf Smarter divot repair tool, the 683 00:32:40,799 --> 00:32:44,240 world's greatest switchblade divot repair tool. At least that's what 684 00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:47,839 everyone tells me. And so let's get right to Ray's 685 00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:52,079 question and again encourage everyone. If you've you've got a question, 686 00:32:52,279 --> 00:32:56,000 send it in. Chances of Terry answering the questions are 687 00:32:56,119 --> 00:32:59,880 very good because he really loves to do this and 688 00:33:00,119 --> 00:33:03,519 he even uses these questions for his blog as well, 689 00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:06,599 The Wedge Guy. So this one comes from Ray Dickinson. 690 00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:09,240 He's in Mount Pleasant, South Carolina, and it's a two 691 00:33:09,279 --> 00:33:12,440 part question. Again, it doesn't he doesn't think he did, 692 00:33:12,519 --> 00:33:15,880 but he really did do two questions here. So I'm 693 00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:18,000 having a tough time getting out of the green side 694 00:33:18,039 --> 00:33:22,079 bunkers when they have hard compacted coarse sand. It's like 695 00:33:22,119 --> 00:33:24,680 I wrote this question. I usually have little trouble in 696 00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:27,200 the light fluffy sand. I just take a lot of 697 00:33:27,279 --> 00:33:30,119 sand and hit it on the green, but when it 698 00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:33,000 comes to the hard compacted bunker, I usually hit a 699 00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:35,960 low burner after the wedge bounces into the ball and 700 00:33:36,039 --> 00:33:38,480 stick it to the side of the bunker, or catch 701 00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:41,920 it thin and air mail the green so his two 702 00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:44,640 part question one which club should I use? 703 00:33:45,279 --> 00:33:47,279 Speaker 5: And two the hell do I hit it? 704 00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:49,640 Speaker 4: Well? 705 00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:52,920 Speaker 3: Ray that you know the problem you're talking about is 706 00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:55,720 not uncommon. So the first answer is what club should 707 00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:58,480 I use? Is obviously you should use a score forty 708 00:33:58,519 --> 00:34:01,079 one sixty one wedge and then your problems will be over. 709 00:34:01,319 --> 00:34:02,720 Speaker 5: It's true. 710 00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:04,720 Speaker 3: Oh so that's what we've been on our soul far. 711 00:34:05,599 --> 00:34:09,920 But let's talk about your You're a pretty good bunker player. 712 00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:13,280 When you have a typical soft, fluffy bunker. You're laying 713 00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:17,239 the club open behind it and bring the sand on 714 00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:20,719 the ball out and and you're doing a good job there. 715 00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:25,199 When you get into a bunker that's hard compacted, you know, 716 00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:28,719 it's wet, don't think of it as a bunker. This 717 00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:32,800 is a totally different kind of lie because that hard, wet, 718 00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:35,960 packed sand is going to provide a lot more what 719 00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:40,039 I call rejection force of the bottom of your club 720 00:34:40,519 --> 00:34:43,400 than that light, fluffy sand will. So even though you're 721 00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:45,880 in a bunker, when you walk in there and that 722 00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:47,880 sand is not giving under your feet, and that ball 723 00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:50,599 is sitting there, you know clean on this on this 724 00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:53,159 packed sand, it's not sitting down because the sand is 725 00:34:53,159 --> 00:34:57,320 not back. You want to play that shot more like 726 00:34:57,519 --> 00:34:59,960 it was in a hard pan out at the bunk, 727 00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:03,480 or it was a tight lie outside the bunker. So 728 00:35:04,079 --> 00:35:06,800 if you have a sand wedge with a high bounce 729 00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:08,800 on it, that's not the club you want to take 730 00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:12,360 in there. Take your pitching wedge, or take your gap wedge, 731 00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:15,679 or if you carry a lob wedge with not a 732 00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:18,679 lot of bounds, take that club in because you don't 733 00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:21,039 you've already got this hard sand it's going to reject 734 00:35:21,039 --> 00:35:25,000 that golp club, and a lot of bounce just increases 735 00:35:25,079 --> 00:35:29,239 or enhances that what I call the rejection quotient. So 736 00:35:29,679 --> 00:35:32,480 take your gap wedge or your lob wedge if it's 737 00:35:32,519 --> 00:35:35,280 a low bounce, or your score forty one sixty one, 738 00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:39,880 because our visul will handle this. But there's a different 739 00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:42,559 way to approach the shot. And the way you want 740 00:35:42,599 --> 00:35:44,880 to look at this shot is not as a lay 741 00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:47,800 the face open splash it behind the ball, but you 742 00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:50,320 want to focus right on the back edge of the 743 00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:53,239 ball rather than that spot behind the ball, and it's 744 00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:55,599 not as hard of a swing. It's kind of like 745 00:35:55,599 --> 00:35:59,039 the difference between hitting range balls off a turfer off 746 00:35:59,079 --> 00:36:01,159 of a mat. You know that map. Just you can 747 00:36:01,159 --> 00:36:03,480 feel that club just skip off the mat and it 748 00:36:04,039 --> 00:36:07,679 causes a hotter shot. This wet packed sand, the club's 749 00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:10,119 going to skip off that sand and give you a 750 00:36:10,159 --> 00:36:12,840 little hotter shot. So it's more like hitting just a 751 00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:15,639 little pitch shot off a hard pan line which is 752 00:36:15,679 --> 00:36:18,800 always comes off hot than it is that bigger force 753 00:36:19,599 --> 00:36:21,719 in the soft sand. So you're not going to remove 754 00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:25,119 my hand from the bunker at all because the club's 755 00:36:25,159 --> 00:36:27,039 going to skip. You want to make contact with the 756 00:36:27,079 --> 00:36:30,280 sand and the ball just about the same time. Stay 757 00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:32,400 with the shot, go ahead and hit down on it. 758 00:36:32,679 --> 00:36:36,000 Slow everything down, be very precise with it, and go 759 00:36:36,559 --> 00:36:38,719 into find a wet bunker and throw you eight or 760 00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:41,480 ten balls down. Just practice. It's like hitting a little 761 00:36:41,519 --> 00:36:43,840 pitch shot out of the bunker and you'll find very 762 00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:46,000 quickly this you can take the fear out of that. 763 00:36:46,679 --> 00:36:49,920 Speaker 1: Okay, So don't you feel better now, Ray, don't you 764 00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:53,119 feel I feel better. I'm going to go practice, you know, 765 00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:55,320 because that when it gets when it's hard like that, 766 00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:56,800 I do the same thing. 767 00:36:56,840 --> 00:36:57,519 Speaker 4: I hate it. 768 00:36:57,559 --> 00:36:59,559 Speaker 5: But that was a great answer. Thank you very much, 769 00:37:00,119 --> 00:37:01,079 and more welcome. 770 00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:04,960 Speaker 1: And we'll get into more detail later about the PGA 771 00:37:05,199 --> 00:37:08,559 show that you were at last week. But congratulations on 772 00:37:08,559 --> 00:37:12,039 once again making the Golf Digest hot list. 773 00:37:12,119 --> 00:37:15,840 Speaker 3: Huh, Well, we're really excited about that. I mean, it's 774 00:37:16,119 --> 00:37:18,000 a rare honor for a brand new company to be 775 00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:22,960 stacked in with all the major brands and feel one 776 00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:24,639 more year and we're going to have one of those 777 00:37:24,639 --> 00:37:27,920 gold medals because people are really understanding that we're building 778 00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:30,480 wedges for the modern power game, and we've got some 779 00:37:30,599 --> 00:37:35,000 very interesting things, and your listeners can go online and 780 00:37:35,079 --> 00:37:38,559 learn more about Score Golf and City that we're challenging 781 00:37:38,599 --> 00:37:40,400 the way wedges have been built for the last forty 782 00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:43,239 or fifty sixty years, because they really have all the 783 00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:46,119 clubs in our bag. That club has changed the least. 784 00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:49,800 And yet we play golf a very different way than 785 00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:51,960 it was played back in the fifties and sixties, when 786 00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:55,199 golf was very much a precision game because the clubs 787 00:37:55,199 --> 00:37:59,719 were so unforgiving. With the hadvent of middlewoods and cavity 788 00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:02,320 back urns, the game has evolved to a much more 789 00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:05,480 forceful power game, even for mid to mid to high handicappers. 790 00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:07,679 We all go go at the harder than they did 791 00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:11,639 back then. But these things called wedges really haven't evolved 792 00:38:11,679 --> 00:38:14,119 to keep up with this modern power game. And what 793 00:38:14,159 --> 00:38:17,000 we did was score forty one sixty one is totally 794 00:38:17,039 --> 00:38:20,880 reinvent the waiting scheme in wedges so that they're more forgiving, 795 00:38:21,079 --> 00:38:25,599 they're more accurate, they deliver better trajectories, more consistent distance control, 796 00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:29,159 and they eliminate those big, high ballooning webshots that are 797 00:38:29,159 --> 00:38:30,400 the nemesis for all of us. 798 00:38:30,559 --> 00:38:32,559 Speaker 1: You know, listen, if Golf Digess is putting on the 799 00:38:32,599 --> 00:38:34,159 hot list, and this is what the second year in 800 00:38:34,159 --> 00:38:34,679 a row. 801 00:38:34,599 --> 00:38:37,119 Speaker 3: Right, yeah, two years in a row, I mean ever 802 00:38:37,159 --> 00:38:38,519 since we introduced the product. 803 00:38:38,639 --> 00:38:42,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's definitely you know, when the press takes notice, 804 00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:45,800 everyone's going to follow. And that is really incredible. So Terry, 805 00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:48,599 congratulations again, and we'll talk to you in a couple 806 00:38:48,559 --> 00:38:51,039 of weeks on the Golf Smarter episode. 807 00:38:51,119 --> 00:38:53,199 Speaker 3: That'd be great. I'll look forward to it. All fun