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<v Speaker 1>By Billy Cunningham. The great American Randy Freaking is in

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<v Speaker 1>the studio. You know, Randy. We seldom get a visit

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<v Speaker 1>in the studio. So it's good to have you here.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, Willy Ill love coming back.

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<v Speaker 1>There's good to be anywhere.

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<v Speaker 3>In fact, I gotta see you.

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<v Speaker 1>You got to see eyeball to eyeball. Let's talk about this.

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<v Speaker 1>You have a new book out, great for Christmas. The

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<v Speaker 1>Big Red Machines Last Hurrah. Yes, so there was a time.

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<v Speaker 1>I tell it, young folks six They can't believe it.

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<v Speaker 1>Cincinnati was the baseball capital of the world between nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>seventy five and nineteen ninety, fifteen years the Reds won

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<v Speaker 1>twenty percent of all World serieses. They were there. They

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<v Speaker 1>were the best ever seventy five, seventy six. They've now

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<v Speaker 1>won nine World Series games in a row. They won

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<v Speaker 1>the last game in seventy five, swept the Yankees, swept

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<v Speaker 1>Oakland nine. So nineteen eighty one, when you think about it,

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<v Speaker 1>we were the headquarters of all great baseball. Right here mention,

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<v Speaker 1>the Big Red Machine had their last hurrah. Explain what

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<v Speaker 1>happened in nineteen eighty one. Well, it's an outrageous thing

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<v Speaker 1>that happened. You know, if we would have won in

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen eighty one, who knows what would have happened. They

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<v Speaker 1>could have gone on a thirty forty year streak. We

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<v Speaker 1>would go We would have had good teams throughout.

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<v Speaker 2>The eighties and then.

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<v Speaker 3>But there was a strike in the middle of the

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<v Speaker 3>season that was provoked by the Major League Baseball owners

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<v Speaker 3>and the players walked out for fifty days, and Booie

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<v Speaker 3>kon Is Wisdom decided to have a split season. The

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<v Speaker 3>Reds were a half game behind when the strike began

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<v Speaker 3>the Dodgers because they had played one less game. Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>then they resume and Booie says, hey, we're gonna throw

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<v Speaker 3>the first half out.

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<v Speaker 1>Doesn't count.

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<v Speaker 2>Doesn't count.

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<v Speaker 3>But if you won the first half like the Dodgers did,

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<v Speaker 3>you're automatically in the postseason.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a great And of course the Reds got screwed

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<v Speaker 1>by two and barbecued right there. Yes, they were half

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<v Speaker 1>a game out of first, So the Dodgers are automatically

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<v Speaker 1>in the playoffs. But you have the second half of

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<v Speaker 1>the season to play yet.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, and the Reds have a great second half, but

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<v Speaker 3>they finished one game behind the Astros. They end up

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<v Speaker 3>with the best record in baseball. Willie won the best

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<v Speaker 3>records the Reds have ever had, sixty six and forty

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<v Speaker 3>two percentage.

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<v Speaker 1>Wise, twenty four games over five hundred.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and they only played what my finetown meth tells me,

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<v Speaker 3>one hundred and eight games, and they were already at

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<v Speaker 3>sixty two.

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<v Speaker 1>And they're told again, now, because you didn't win the

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<v Speaker 1>first half or the second half, neither one in a

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<v Speaker 1>sense counted for the overall. It just counted one or

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<v Speaker 1>the other. Now both. And so the Reds are told,

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<v Speaker 1>which Cincinnati. That happens all the time to us, doesn't it.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right, something happens.

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<v Speaker 3>But you know, season ticket holders, when they're sold season

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<v Speaker 3>tickets are told, hey, if your team gets into the postseason,

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<v Speaker 3>and if you have the best record in baseball you

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<v Speaker 3>would be in the postseason, you get playoff tickets.

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<v Speaker 1>So how much of a complaint? I guess the big

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<v Speaker 1>cities liked it because the Dodgers were in.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, that was the beauty of it for MLB.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, they won the recover losses because the fans

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<v Speaker 3>had turned on the owners by the end of the

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<v Speaker 3>strike and they realized the owners provoked this thing. So

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<v Speaker 3>in the first half he had New York automatically guaranteed

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<v Speaker 3>in the playoffs.

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<v Speaker 1>They like that the Dodgers hated Dodgers.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, four big cities, the Phillies, and one other team.

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<v Speaker 3>And it was a complete travesty, and so we try

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<v Speaker 3>to write that wrong. In this book, we talk about

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<v Speaker 3>the season. Grant Freaking My nephew helped me with this project.

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<v Speaker 3>He's a great writer, great editor. He works down at

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<v Speaker 3>the UC Business School. He writes all their publications and

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<v Speaker 3>edits them. He does a fantastic job. He does a

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<v Speaker 3>little work for FC Cincinnati and the Cincinnati magazine.

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<v Speaker 2>Is a great sports writer.

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<v Speaker 1>And there was a lawsuit. You're a lawyer, so you

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<v Speaker 1>like to sue people, Yes, sir, talk about the wackiest

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<v Speaker 1>lawsuit in American judicial history.

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<v Speaker 3>What happened, Well, a couple of things happened in our book.

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<v Speaker 3>Three law students for Ohio State University filed a lawsuit

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<v Speaker 3>to stop this travesty and get a temporary straining order.

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<v Speaker 3>And then when the book we tell how that trial

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<v Speaker 3>would have proceeded. We have Bowie on the stand, Booey, Coon,

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<v Speaker 3>Marvin Miller, you know, Ray Greeby, who was the owner's negotiator,

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<v Speaker 3>and we and the judge is named Joe Jackson. He

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<v Speaker 3>likes to slip off his shoes every once in a while.

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<v Speaker 3>Willie yes, and Joe Jackson makes a wise decision in

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<v Speaker 3>the book and he decides that this entire travesty has

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<v Speaker 3>to be rated, and so he in searched the two

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<v Speaker 3>teams with the best records overall the season in the

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<v Speaker 3>World Series that year. And then we have a fictional

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<v Speaker 3>world series.

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<v Speaker 1>Who wins the I mean, guess who wins the World Service?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I can't blow the ending, Willie, but you know,

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<v Speaker 3>we simulated a ton of games on a website called

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<v Speaker 3>what if sports dot com? What if sports dot com,

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<v Speaker 3>and we held true to those results, and all I

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<v Speaker 3>can tell you is that we would have had maybe

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<v Speaker 3>we would have broke that winning streak after five, because

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<v Speaker 3>in our fictional world series they did not sweep. But

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<v Speaker 3>it's all good news for Reds fans.

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<v Speaker 1>So there were remnants of the Big Red Machine still

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<v Speaker 1>who was on the eighty one Reds who had the

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<v Speaker 1>best record overall, but lost the first half by half

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<v Speaker 1>a game, the second half by a game, and he

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<v Speaker 1>still had a pretty good had the best ball club

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<v Speaker 1>in baseball, but you didn't get you didn't get to

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<v Speaker 1>the playoffs, much less the World Series.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, Willie, think about this. We still had Johnny Bench.

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<v Speaker 1>It's pretty good. Yeah, he didn't retire to like I

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<v Speaker 1>think eighty four.

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<v Speaker 3>Eighty two or three, something like that. He was hurt

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<v Speaker 3>part of the season. He didn't catch as much, but

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<v Speaker 3>he played first base. He had Danny Dreeson at first base.

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<v Speaker 3>He had Ronnie Oaster at second base, number sixteen from

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<v Speaker 3>within throw high school. Davy Concepcion at shortstop, not the

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<v Speaker 3>Hall of Famer, not bad right third base, Ray Night.

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<v Speaker 1>He could fight, and he marry Nancy Lopez yep.

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<v Speaker 2>And then we had George Foster.

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<v Speaker 3>In left field before he went to the METSI another

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<v Speaker 3>member of the br M.

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<v Speaker 1>Pretty good.

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<v Speaker 3>Ken Griffy in center field.

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<v Speaker 1>Not Junior. Maybe Junior wasn't born. Junior was quite young

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<v Speaker 2>He was quite young at that point, probably about ten.

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<v Speaker 1>And Ken Griffy senior was still really good.

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<v Speaker 3>Dave Collins patrol right field, pretty good. They had a

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<v Speaker 3>great team. How about the pitching staff? Will he, Tom

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<v Speaker 3>Seaver and Mario Soto As you're one.

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<v Speaker 2>Two, not bad, not bad, not bad.

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<v Speaker 1>That's why the Mario was in his prime and sever

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, sever was still pretty good.

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<v Speaker 1>And a short series you have to face Tom Seaver

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<v Speaker 1>and Mario and then you had that lineup going on,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's pretty good.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Absolutely, I mean sever had a good year. Uh Soto

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<v Speaker 3>had a great year.

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<v Speaker 2>You had.

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<v Speaker 3>Doug Bear in the bullpen, you had Tommy Hume. I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>you know these are name so the past, Frank past.

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<v Speaker 1>Story, remember him. Gary Burbank loved Frank past story. Bruce

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<v Speaker 1>Brenni right hand, nasty guy, he was nasty. Mike Lacosse

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<v Speaker 1>and he was another nasty Charlie Lee Brant lefty. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>it was a good How can baseball say the Reds

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<v Speaker 1>have the best record in baseball but they can't get

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<v Speaker 1>to the playoffs because there's some artificial rule.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and there was no rule. Coon made it up.

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<v Speaker 3>Marvin Miller did not agree to it. The Reds protested.

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<v Speaker 3>They actually voted, you know, the MLB owners voted on this,

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<v Speaker 3>and the Reds and the Cardinals voted against it. But

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<v Speaker 3>they lost the vote. And at the end of the

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<v Speaker 3>season they kind of just said, oh well, let's start

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<v Speaker 3>the playoffs.

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<v Speaker 1>Wasn't their real lawsuit filed on the judge that get

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<v Speaker 1>the hell out of here or something like that.

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<v Speaker 3>There was a real lawsuit filed also by three Ohio

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<v Speaker 3>State University law students, and the judge didn't really put

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<v Speaker 3>up with it very long. Willie, we filed that thing.

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<v Speaker 3>The dean of law school wasn't very happy with us.

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<v Speaker 3>My prospective employer was not very happy with me.

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<v Speaker 1>But you wanted to defend the reds, and so you fould.

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<v Speaker 1>He kind of snotted you out of court. Get there,

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my gosh, Weilly.

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<v Speaker 2>You know.

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<v Speaker 3>The funny thing was we're typing this thing up the

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<v Speaker 3>week before to get ready, and we hadn't taken civil

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<v Speaker 3>procedure class in total. You hadn't done that yet, so

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<v Speaker 3>we weren't sure if adding the Montreal expos would screw up

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<v Speaker 3>jurisdiction in Columbus.

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<v Speaker 1>Like admiralty law, you had the rule of the nodules,

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<v Speaker 3>So we had to leave the Montreal expos off the complaint.

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<v Speaker 1>You let them off. I'm not sure if Canada can

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<v Speaker 1>be subject to an American court, that's right, sure? And

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<v Speaker 1>so what did the judge do?

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<v Speaker 3>He called us in the next morning, the day the

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<v Speaker 3>playoffs were supposed to start, and said, boys, what do

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<v Speaker 3>you want me to do? We said, Judge, we want

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<v Speaker 3>you to stop these playoffs, have a hearing, and we

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<v Speaker 3>want you to insert the Reds into the postseason. And

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<v Speaker 3>it was Judge Canary.

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<v Speaker 1>He was a nasty dude with no sense of humor. Vaguely,

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<v Speaker 1>he wasn't like it. Let me think about this for

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<v Speaker 1>a while.

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<v Speaker 3>We hadn't done a considerable amount of research on Judge Canhary,

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<v Speaker 3>but we figure it out pretty quickly. He was not

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<v Speaker 3>going to put up with our nonsense. What did he

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<v Speaker 3>say to you? He said, boys, boys, do you know

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<v Speaker 3>where the clerk's office is? Yes, sir, Yes, sir, that's

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<v Speaker 3>where we followed the lawsuit just yesterday morning.

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<v Speaker 1>You know where to go, he says, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>Where to go?

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, sir, he goes, I suggest you file a notice

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<v Speaker 3>of voluntary dismissal.

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<v Speaker 1>Immediately and walk into the clerk. Of course, yes, sir.

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<v Speaker 1>At the time, of course, I was living here in Cincinnati.

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<v Speaker 1>There was this sense of total outrage, total anger because

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<v Speaker 1>the best team in baseball with the best record did

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<v Speaker 1>not get to the first round of the playoffs. But

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<v Speaker 1>then because of that decision by Bouie Kuhn and by

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<v Speaker 1>Marvin Miller, that was the actual breakup that caused the

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<v Speaker 1>next seven years of absolute isolation of your Cincinnati Reds.

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<v Speaker 1>Explain what happened after that decision.

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<v Speaker 3>Astree tired, Griffy Foster conceptio move on, and you know

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<v Speaker 3>the history from eighty two to eighty five, the Reds

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<v Speaker 3>was terrible until Pete came back. Then Pete got him

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<v Speaker 1>Until another disaster arose. Pete rose and I was sitting

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<v Speaker 1>from the judge. And there was a lawsuit filed by

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<v Speaker 1>of due process rights. And of course Judge Nato make

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<v Speaker 1>Pete rose because of conflicts of interest. They ran down

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<v Speaker 1>the federal court. I guess canary that point was gone.

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<v Speaker 1>But there was an old judge there named Judge Rubin. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>how was Carl Rubin.

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<v Speaker 3>He was a lot like Judge Canary. But that tells

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<v Speaker 3>your listeners a lesson Judge to Willie. You have to

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<v Speaker 3>know who the judge is, and you can do forum selection.

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<v Speaker 1>You can.

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<v Speaker 3>And if we had filed that lawsuit in Judge Natal's

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<v Speaker 1>And playoffs would well, how does a federal judge stop

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<v Speaker 2>That's right. Federal judge has a lot of power.

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<v Speaker 1>So from that on, Red Spaceball took its course. A

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<v Speaker 1>rose in nineteen eighty eighty nine to ninety one at

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<v Speaker 1>all in nineteen ninety and since then we've been in

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<v Speaker 2>That's right.

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<v Speaker 3>The good news about this book, as we correct that wrong,

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<v Speaker 3>people can understand what should have happened. All the proceeds,

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<v Speaker 3>the profits are going to go to the Reds Community Fund,

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<v Speaker 3>my favorite charity in town, which you love.

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<v Speaker 2>I love that. The books available.

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<v Speaker 3>At Freaking out about dot com for pre orders right now, Willie,

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<v Speaker 3>in time for Chris Christmas.

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<v Speaker 1>Freaking is fr e k I n chiefew.

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<v Speaker 3>This freaking out about has the addition we did fr

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<v Speaker 3>E A K I N G A B O U T.

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<v Speaker 1>That's it out.

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<v Speaker 2>It's all the things that I'm freaking out about.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a great, great Christmas thing because people need to know,

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<v Speaker 1>because now younger folks have no idea what that decision

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<v Speaker 1>forty forty three years ago met the rents Baseball because

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<v Speaker 1>and also brought about the elimination, shall we say of

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<v Speaker 1>Dick Wagner, he went, the whole club was in complete turmoil.

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<v Speaker 1>They thought, we got the best record in baseball, we

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<v Speaker 1>can't get it because of a commissioner's ruling. And Marvin

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<v Speaker 1>Miller didn't like it either.

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<v Speaker 3>Correct, Oh, Marvin Miller did not like Bowie's decision at all.

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<v Speaker 3>He was he was matter than anything, a wet hen

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<v Speaker 3>because there was nothing in the agreement they signed. When

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<v Speaker 3>when Major League Baseball the owners kind of waved the

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<v Speaker 3>white flag when their strike insurance ran out conveniently.

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<v Speaker 1>Which is fifty days into the season. If then you

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<v Speaker 1>the second half, everyone assumed the team with the best

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<v Speaker 1>record in baseball would be in the playoffs somehow. Why

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<v Speaker 1>not have an extra round of playoffs. Why not just

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<v Speaker 1>add absolutely, because what's wrong with that? It gives you

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<v Speaker 1>a chance and you determine it on the field, not

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<v Speaker 1>in some office. Yeah, and Bowie Kun was an absolute clown.

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<v Speaker 2>Anyway, he was a total clown.

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<v Speaker 1>And so at this point, what do you do forty

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<v Speaker 1>three years later? You write a book.

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<v Speaker 2>You write a book, You right the wrong.

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<v Speaker 3>You can sleep well at night, no, after you read

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<v Speaker 3>this book, because it's a great cure for insomnia as well.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it will not put you to sleep, is that correct?

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<v Speaker 1>So what's Randy freaking doing these days?

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<v Speaker 2>Well?

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<v Speaker 3>Other than writing these books, I'm helping out with the

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<v Speaker 3>Reds Community Fund a little bit. I do a mediation

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<v Speaker 3>a little bit on the side. Spend most of my

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<v Speaker 1>Why community Fund? Why are you involved in that? I

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<v Speaker 1>know every opening day and you have a big party,

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<v Speaker 1>you raise thousands dollars. Why the Community Fund?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I don't think they do a great job of

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<v Speaker 3>spreading the word. All these kids that participate at the

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<v Speaker 3>Community Fund, they get great educational programs. Graduates from the

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<v Speaker 3>RBI program they go on the college at an extremely

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<v Speaker 3>high rate, it's high ninety percent. You compare that with

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<v Speaker 3>CPS graduation rates sixty seventy percent and going on to

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<v Speaker 3>college forget it. So we've got these mentorship programs at

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<v Speaker 3>the Academy, great instructional it's all about leadership, you know, learning,

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<v Speaker 3>showing a servant out of the hole in which you

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<v Speaker 3>find yourself. Yeah, it's a wonderful it's a wonderful organization.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, the Reds promote the baseball and softball part

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<v Speaker 3>of it. I promote the educational opportunities to come out

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<v Speaker 3>of the baseball and softball programs. I mean, the Academy

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<v Speaker 3>over in bond Hill is busy every night.

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<v Speaker 1>So even now in December.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, oh yeah, absolutely, there's stuff going on there.

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<v Speaker 3>There's a mentorship meeting Thursday night. Just a lot of

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<v Speaker 3>tremendous stuff going on throughout the area. And it's all

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<v Speaker 3>for kids that you know, need a helping hand here

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<v Speaker 3>and there.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, so, do you have hope for the twenty twenty

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<v Speaker 1>five Reds? Do you have hope? All we have is hope,

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<v Speaker 1>ry freaking That's all we have.

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<v Speaker 2>It's Tito martinis.

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<v Speaker 1>That's it.

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<v Speaker 2>We're gonna be celebrating with Tito martinis.

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<v Speaker 1>I have martinis every day. Opening day only about March

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<v Speaker 1>twenty eighth or so. It's coming up quicker than you think.

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<v Speaker 1>Four and a half months. It'll be once again Reds

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<v Speaker 1>baseball dominating. Well, they haven't won a playoff series since

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen ninety. Do you see.

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<v Speaker 2>Hope, Yes, Willie, I do see hope.

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<v Speaker 1>There's hope.

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<v Speaker 2>There's hope.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, all we have is hope with the we have hope,

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<v Speaker 1>the Buckeyes, the bear Cat football team, the Browns. All

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<v Speaker 1>we have is hope. It's all we have.

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<v Speaker 3>All I can say, will is Tito Francona to the

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<v Speaker 3>Reds would be like Bill Belichick to the Bengals.

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<v Speaker 1>I've heard that rumor. In fact, I put it on

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<v Speaker 1>social media. I heard a rumor that Bill Belichick will

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<v Speaker 1>be hard by the Bengals. I said, if that happens,

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<v Speaker 1>that's the time when cats and dogs will start living

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<v Speaker 1>together because bellichiz One's complete control. Will Mike Brown give

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<v Speaker 1>up complete control of the Bengals? No, sir, that will

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<v Speaker 1>not happen. BI.

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<v Speaker 2>That's why Bill Belichick. No, will not be on the sideline.

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<v Speaker 1>No, No, All right, Once again, Randy freaking How did

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<v Speaker 1>the American people get the book?

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<v Speaker 2>They get the.

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<v Speaker 3>Book pre order, Willie at a twenty five percent discount

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<v Speaker 3>at Freaking out about dot com and it all benefits

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<v Speaker 3>the Reds Community Fund, and I had to thank my

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<v Speaker 3>co author Grant Freaking and the wonderful website called what

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<v Speaker 3>if sports dot Com.

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<v Speaker 1>Of all the words of tongue or pen, the worst

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<v Speaker 1>of these are might have been and eighty one Reds

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<v Speaker 1>might have been the continuation of the Big Red machine,

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<v Speaker 1>but it died with the best team in baseball not

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<v Speaker 1>able to get to the playoffs because of a mental

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<v Speaker 1>gyration of Bowie Kun unbelievable. The best team left out

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<v Speaker 1>makes sense for the Reds.

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<v Speaker 2>And we tell the story what should have been Willie.

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<v Speaker 1>Of all the words of tongue or Randy Freaking. Thank

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<v Speaker 1>you very much, Thank you, William, and let's continue with

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<v Speaker 1>more one twenty six, The Home of your Reds and

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<v Speaker 1>the Bengals. Bill Belichick seizes control of the Bengals when

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