WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.040 --> 00:00:01.600 Today, I want to tell you about a journey that 2 00:00:01.600 --> 00:00:03.879 I've been on for most of my life. Ever since 3 00:00:03.919 --> 00:00:05.799 I was a kid, I've heard tales of bigfoot and 4 00:00:05.839 --> 00:00:08.320 wild men while spending time with my friends and family. 5 00:00:09.039 --> 00:00:11.439 As I grew older and read more about the paranormal, 6 00:00:11.599 --> 00:00:14.679 my interest in encryptids and other things strange only deepened. 7 00:00:15.240 --> 00:00:17.160 That's why I'm so excited to share with you what 8 00:00:17.199 --> 00:00:21.640 I've personally become involved with the Untold Radio Network. The 9 00:00:21.719 --> 00:00:25.280 Untold Radio Network is a live streaming podcast network that 10 00:00:25.359 --> 00:00:29.359 airs a new show every day across all podcast platforms, YouTube, 11 00:00:29.359 --> 00:00:32.119 and more. 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It's free to subscribe. 21 00:01:00.679 --> 00:01:04.400 So what are you waiting for visit www dot untold 22 00:01:04.519 --> 00:01:06.560 radionetwork dot com today. 23 00:01:06.760 --> 00:01:09.680 Now, what are your reporting? I got a screen going 24 00:01:09.719 --> 00:01:12.120 on here. Something just kid with my dog, something to 25 00:01:12.200 --> 00:01:15.280 kill your dog? My dog. We're flying through there over 26 00:01:15.319 --> 00:01:20.079 the tree. I don't know how it did it? Okay, Damn, 27 00:01:20.159 --> 00:01:22.640 I'm really confused. All I saw was my dog coming 28 00:01:22.680 --> 00:01:24.480 over the fence, and name was dead once you hit 29 00:01:24.519 --> 00:01:26.560 the ground. I didn't see any cars. All I saw 30 00:01:26.680 --> 00:01:45.120 was my dog coming over the fence. Sat, what are 31 00:01:45.120 --> 00:01:49.959 you reporting? We got some wonder or something crawling around 32 00:01:50.040 --> 00:01:58.640 out here? Did you see what it was? It was 33 00:01:59.359 --> 00:02:01.400 enough out here. Look, I'm new to one going now 34 00:02:01.400 --> 00:02:02.920 and I don't need anything. I don't want to go 35 00:02:02.959 --> 00:02:11.479 out today. Hello, hit the boddy out here? 36 00:02:11.759 --> 00:02:12.199 What quin? 37 00:02:12.240 --> 00:02:15.159 I'm out there? It's thought up a bit about sixty nine. 38 00:02:15.240 --> 00:02:16.840 I don't know. Easy ann out there? 39 00:02:17.000 --> 00:02:21.759 Yeah, I'm walking right head and we are live. Hello everybody, 40 00:02:21.840 --> 00:02:24.479 Thank you so much for joining us at three pm 41 00:02:24.560 --> 00:02:27.000 on a random Thursday afternoon. You never know when we're 42 00:02:27.000 --> 00:02:29.240 gonna pop in or what we might do here on 43 00:02:29.280 --> 00:02:33.120 Sasquatch Odyssey, paired with mythical legends and behind tall trees, 44 00:02:33.360 --> 00:02:35.120 we've got all kinds of stuff going on. Daniel, what's 45 00:02:35.120 --> 00:02:35.919 going on with you today? 46 00:02:35.919 --> 00:02:36.120 Man? 47 00:02:36.680 --> 00:02:39.680 I'm very well mate. I'm looking forward to this podcast 48 00:02:40.240 --> 00:02:40.599 me too. 49 00:02:40.719 --> 00:02:43.319 You have got quite the lineup. I just showed up 50 00:02:43.319 --> 00:02:45.120 at the last minute and punched a few buttons, but 51 00:02:45.159 --> 00:02:48.000 you put this round table together. So let's get into it. 52 00:02:48.039 --> 00:02:50.360 Introduce who we got on the podcast today, man. 53 00:02:50.960 --> 00:02:55.080 Before I get into our guests, we have some very special. 54 00:02:54.800 --> 00:02:56.400 Co hosts joining me and Brian. 55 00:02:56.840 --> 00:02:57.000 Hi. 56 00:02:57.039 --> 00:03:01.800 Welcome to this stage. My mother and partner in crime, 57 00:03:02.120 --> 00:03:05.479 Jill Roberts. That is how are you non? 58 00:03:06.240 --> 00:03:07.280 Yes, so really good? 59 00:03:07.319 --> 00:03:09.719 Thank you you both thought right. Yeah. 60 00:03:09.719 --> 00:03:13.000 Brian's tired and may fall to sleep during this podcast. 61 00:03:13.240 --> 00:03:18.560 So next on stage is our other co host who 62 00:03:18.599 --> 00:03:21.120 is going to be helping us out today from behind 63 00:03:21.199 --> 00:03:24.120 tall trees, Miss Gwendoline Parcell. 64 00:03:24.800 --> 00:03:27.479 Hi, everybody, Gwen. How are you? Busy? 65 00:03:27.520 --> 00:03:28.039 As usual? 66 00:03:28.240 --> 00:03:29.919 Nine many things to do and not enough time to 67 00:03:29.960 --> 00:03:30.400 do them more. 68 00:03:31.000 --> 00:03:33.120 It's so good to see you from behind the trees. 69 00:03:33.960 --> 00:03:34.960 It's awesome, isn't it. 70 00:03:35.000 --> 00:03:37.719 You normally just peque but you got your whole persona 71 00:03:37.719 --> 00:03:39.800 out from behind the trees, so we appreciate. 72 00:03:39.479 --> 00:03:42.599 It, the whole of you being Now I'm going to 73 00:03:42.879 --> 00:03:45.719 start by bringing our guests in. Now, someone who we 74 00:03:45.800 --> 00:03:50.240 all know and love, the muscle himself, mister Ryan RPG Golumbaski. 75 00:03:50.680 --> 00:03:52.360 It's good to be with my family. I wish we 76 00:03:52.400 --> 00:03:55.120 all live closer, same old stuff. I am watching all 77 00:03:55.159 --> 00:03:56.840 four kids today by myself, so. 78 00:03:56.800 --> 00:03:59.599 We may have a few extra visitors next on stage, 79 00:04:00.120 --> 00:04:03.879 have several people in cowboy hats today. But I met 80 00:04:03.919 --> 00:04:09.199 this guy a couple of months ago. Mister Lao Blackburn. 81 00:04:09.039 --> 00:04:10.560 Hello from nexous. 82 00:04:10.840 --> 00:04:11.680 How are you mate? 83 00:04:11.960 --> 00:04:12.719 I'm doing good. 84 00:04:13.319 --> 00:04:14.879 Next on the stage. 85 00:04:15.439 --> 00:04:18.000 He lives in Alaska and we have him come into 86 00:04:18.040 --> 00:04:19.199 the crypto conference. 87 00:04:19.279 --> 00:04:20.360 You came next year. 88 00:04:20.800 --> 00:04:24.360 We can't believe these come in from Alaska and Killerpick. 89 00:04:24.480 --> 00:04:29.319 But mister DJ Brewster, Hey Dj, how things. I've just 90 00:04:29.319 --> 00:04:32.199 got done with my shift at work, doing pretty good. 91 00:04:32.759 --> 00:04:35.639 We have two more amazing guests. Now, this guest I'm 92 00:04:35.639 --> 00:04:39.240 about to bring on. Everyone keeps mistaking for Lal Blackburn, 93 00:04:39.319 --> 00:04:45.000 including my mom. Please, welcome to the stage, mister ken Gerhard. 94 00:04:45.800 --> 00:04:47.839 This proves that we're two different people. 95 00:04:47.920 --> 00:04:49.279 This is proof right here right. 96 00:04:49.560 --> 00:04:52.399 We have one final guest to bring on now. 97 00:04:52.439 --> 00:04:56.560 This guest is a legendary in himself the Sierra Sounds. 98 00:04:56.639 --> 00:04:59.199 Please welcome to the stage, mister Ron moorehead. 99 00:05:00.000 --> 00:05:01.240 This is our round. Say well. 100 00:05:01.240 --> 00:05:03.519 Me and Brian planned to do it once every other 101 00:05:03.639 --> 00:05:06.480 month until me and Brian realize that's way too much work. 102 00:05:06.560 --> 00:05:07.920 So Brian, oh to you, my friend. 103 00:05:08.519 --> 00:05:11.240 I'm gonna get everybody started. Everybody's got questions of their 104 00:05:11.240 --> 00:05:13.000 own about Bigfoot, but I want to get it kicked 105 00:05:13.000 --> 00:05:14.720 off today and we'll go around the table and let 106 00:05:14.759 --> 00:05:17.560 everybody chime in on this. This is something that's came up. 107 00:05:17.720 --> 00:05:20.240 I host multiple podcasts, but one of the other shows 108 00:05:20.240 --> 00:05:22.160 that I do is called that Bigfoot Podcast. And Wayne 109 00:05:22.199 --> 00:05:24.800 and I my cost over there, we're talking about this recently. 110 00:05:25.480 --> 00:05:28.439 There's not a lot that seems to be new for me, 111 00:05:28.600 --> 00:05:31.240 at least in Bigfoot. If you google what's new in 112 00:05:31.279 --> 00:05:33.800 Bigfoot twenty twenty four, there are very few things that 113 00:05:33.839 --> 00:05:35.800 come up. There's things that have happened in the past 114 00:05:35.959 --> 00:05:39.600 decade or so. You get the Colorado train video that 115 00:05:39.639 --> 00:05:42.639 pops up. You get Sasquatch Sunset, the movie that came 116 00:05:42.680 --> 00:05:45.600 out earlier this summer. If you google and look at 117 00:05:45.600 --> 00:05:49.199 what's in research in Bigfoot now, there's not a lot 118 00:05:49.279 --> 00:05:52.360 that's new I want to get your opinion on this. 119 00:05:52.480 --> 00:05:54.800 What do you guys see We'll go around the horn 120 00:05:54.839 --> 00:05:56.879 as it is here on the screen. We'll start with Lyle. 121 00:05:57.720 --> 00:06:00.240 What have you seen, Lyle in the last decade. Any 122 00:06:00.279 --> 00:06:05.000 advancements significant as far as technology methodology that you've seen 123 00:06:05.040 --> 00:06:08.160 that has impacted bigfoot research for you are just in 124 00:06:08.240 --> 00:06:10.160 general over the last decade. 125 00:06:10.680 --> 00:06:14.160 It certainly changed a lot over the last decade as 126 00:06:14.160 --> 00:06:17.839 far as how we get reports and just the massive 127 00:06:17.920 --> 00:06:21.560 amount of information that's out there. Back in the day, 128 00:06:21.560 --> 00:06:23.800 it was only so many podcasts. Now there are tons 129 00:06:23.879 --> 00:06:27.560 of them with weekly updates and so many witnesses. As 130 00:06:27.560 --> 00:06:30.480 far as technology, we always hinge point on the fact 131 00:06:30.480 --> 00:06:33.720 that sooner or later technology will catch up and there 132 00:06:33.759 --> 00:06:36.319 we will have the final ingredient. We need to prove 133 00:06:36.399 --> 00:06:39.920 this definitively, but a big pot of cryptids in general 134 00:06:40.040 --> 00:06:42.240 just seem to stay one step ahead no matter what. 135 00:06:42.519 --> 00:06:46.439 But certainly things like thermal video has added to this. 136 00:06:46.720 --> 00:06:48.639 Some years ago, you didn't have that. Now we have 137 00:06:48.759 --> 00:06:53.800 thermal video, better audio perhaps than Ron would have had 138 00:06:53.839 --> 00:06:57.199 back in the seventies. There are better tools, but it's 139 00:06:57.279 --> 00:07:01.519 just more things that say there's something out there. But 140 00:07:01.560 --> 00:07:04.800 we still can't pinpoint it, even using the technology. And 141 00:07:04.879 --> 00:07:10.279 also I think it's become a problem because especially with 142 00:07:10.439 --> 00:07:14.879 AI and stuff, it's so hard down to discern between 143 00:07:15.360 --> 00:07:18.480 what is real and what is it. You've always dealt 144 00:07:18.519 --> 00:07:21.319 with hoaxers and people with pictures and stuff, but now 145 00:07:21.319 --> 00:07:24.959 it's just a barrage of the train video. It's not 146 00:07:25.000 --> 00:07:27.759 just the Patterson Gimblin film. Now it's just all of 147 00:07:27.800 --> 00:07:31.839 these different ones that create this confusing white noise of stuff. 148 00:07:31.920 --> 00:07:34.360 So as far as what's new, it's almost like the 149 00:07:34.399 --> 00:07:38.879 same thing. You have new researchers coming on. Daniel comes on, 150 00:07:39.040 --> 00:07:43.839 he adds his perspectives and fresh view and enthusiasm. So 151 00:07:43.920 --> 00:07:48.079 I think that what's new is it's become increasingly hard 152 00:07:48.399 --> 00:07:54.639 to navigate technology, white noise, and the massive amount of 153 00:07:54.920 --> 00:07:59.279 Bigfoot information there is, which may suggest in some ways 154 00:07:59.319 --> 00:08:01.959 that these creeds are literally running a muck. But I 155 00:08:02.000 --> 00:08:05.199 think it's just now that there's a central focus of 156 00:08:05.240 --> 00:08:08.839 people reporting things, and a lot of times things with 157 00:08:08.879 --> 00:08:13.680 no substance, So it becomes harder for us rectify between 158 00:08:14.360 --> 00:08:17.079 what is good and what is to follow up on 159 00:08:17.199 --> 00:08:19.959 and what is to be dismissed. And then in some 160 00:08:20.040 --> 00:08:23.360 ways can be tiring for us to weave through that. 161 00:08:23.680 --> 00:08:24.079 I don't know. 162 00:08:24.120 --> 00:08:28.199 Technology is both an advantage and a disadvenge what's a 163 00:08:28.319 --> 00:08:31.720 you Ryan RPG Goingbeskie? What about technology? What have you 164 00:08:31.759 --> 00:08:32.879 seen over the last decade. 165 00:08:33.440 --> 00:08:35.679 One of the things I'd hit is, I'm like middle 166 00:08:35.720 --> 00:08:39.240 age here, I feel like monks. This group is reality 167 00:08:39.279 --> 00:08:42.600 TV finding Bigfoot. I think that put more eyes and 168 00:08:42.720 --> 00:08:46.799 brought more interest to the seeing and maybe the environments. 169 00:08:46.200 --> 00:08:48.399 We live in the fear culture, in my opinion, there's 170 00:08:48.399 --> 00:08:49.960 always a war, there's always something to fear. 171 00:08:50.080 --> 00:08:53.000 So Bigfoot is a wonderful monster. I call Bigfoot the 172 00:08:53.039 --> 00:08:57.039 American monster. I think reality TV one of the benefits. 173 00:08:57.120 --> 00:08:59.000 Just like texts, he was saying, some of it's bad, 174 00:08:59.080 --> 00:09:01.679 some of it's good. It's brought more people interested in 175 00:09:01.720 --> 00:09:04.080 It's put more people in the woods, and it's really 176 00:09:04.159 --> 00:09:07.200 only a matter of time because like, why was Ron successful? 177 00:09:07.279 --> 00:09:11.080 In my very humble opinion, he Roger Patterson. He went 178 00:09:11.159 --> 00:09:13.240 where most of us don't go. He went far. 179 00:09:14.039 --> 00:09:16.440 And now if we do that, if we repeat that 180 00:09:16.720 --> 00:09:19.279 but with better cameras, then it will happen. 181 00:09:19.279 --> 00:09:19.759 Eventually. 182 00:09:19.799 --> 00:09:21.120 You're going to need a little bit of luck in 183 00:09:21.559 --> 00:09:24.360 some research but you should be able to get it done. 184 00:09:24.600 --> 00:09:28.320 That's hopefully my next major expedition is to go really 185 00:09:28.360 --> 00:09:31.399 remote with some solid tech. Now, what I would love 186 00:09:31.519 --> 00:09:33.799 to bring, which I think would be a game changer, 187 00:09:33.879 --> 00:09:36.559 is just imagine this. You pick a section of woods, 188 00:09:36.759 --> 00:09:38.879 a bunch of sightings, you happen to get there a 189 00:09:38.960 --> 00:09:41.919 week after it's happened. You map out all of the woods, 190 00:09:42.440 --> 00:09:45.360 and then you get one of those racing drone guys. Listen, 191 00:09:45.399 --> 00:09:47.120 I'm not a tech guy at all. I'm a tree hugger. 192 00:09:47.200 --> 00:09:49.360 I think we need to go in using mind speak 193 00:09:49.399 --> 00:09:53.080 and whatnot. But if we're talking tech, you get one 194 00:09:53.080 --> 00:09:54.840 of those dudes that can race a drone that can 195 00:09:54.879 --> 00:09:57.279 go zero to sixty and one second and can hit 196 00:09:57.320 --> 00:09:59.559 the spot three hundred yards away faster than you could 197 00:09:59.600 --> 00:10:00.399 hit it with a bullet. 198 00:10:00.720 --> 00:10:02.240 Maybe not fast on that, but you know what I'm saying. 199 00:10:02.639 --> 00:10:04.679 That would be a game changer because you'd have it 200 00:10:04.759 --> 00:10:06.799 mapped out and people say what happens when they run 201 00:10:06.840 --> 00:10:08.879 into the woods. The reason you map the woods first 202 00:10:09.320 --> 00:10:11.440 is so when that drone enters, it knows all the 203 00:10:11.519 --> 00:10:13.080 terms and everything and it can follow it. 204 00:10:13.440 --> 00:10:14.360 Add a therm to that. 205 00:10:14.519 --> 00:10:17.039 As I was talking about then I would almost say 206 00:10:17.039 --> 00:10:21.320 it's unfair unless they are interdimensional or there is another 207 00:10:21.440 --> 00:10:24.279 level to this which other people will speak more profoundly 208 00:10:24.360 --> 00:10:27.320 upon in this podcast. But yeah, I'm excited to see 209 00:10:27.320 --> 00:10:29.840 someone finally use that in the field, and for anyone 210 00:10:29.879 --> 00:10:33.360 that's going seriously remote and doing the real work like 211 00:10:33.679 --> 00:10:34.120 Ron did. 212 00:10:34.600 --> 00:10:37.279 Excellent DJ, what say you about the advancements? What have 213 00:10:37.360 --> 00:10:40.320 you seen in bigfoot research for you and or just 214 00:10:40.360 --> 00:10:42.000 in general over the last decade or so. 215 00:10:42.519 --> 00:10:45.759 Over the last decade, I would agree drones are definitely 216 00:10:45.799 --> 00:10:48.679 a game changer because they can go to places where 217 00:10:48.799 --> 00:10:52.000 sometimes you just can't get to. You can go above 218 00:10:52.080 --> 00:10:54.279 the trees and then come down into the brush and 219 00:10:54.320 --> 00:10:58.399 everything and be able to see farther and you can 220 00:10:58.440 --> 00:11:00.519 even see if it's just like a place to even 221 00:11:00.600 --> 00:11:04.039 hike to for the next point, then it helps out 222 00:11:04.080 --> 00:11:06.759 a lot, especially in some of that terrain, being able 223 00:11:06.759 --> 00:11:09.559 to carry some of the audio that Rom's recorded and 224 00:11:09.600 --> 00:11:11.159 being able to play that in the woods. So that 225 00:11:11.320 --> 00:11:14.360 was a very intense moment in my life. Oh, definitely 226 00:11:15.159 --> 00:11:18.720 changed everything. I thought it was very unique. I've never 227 00:11:18.759 --> 00:11:20.960 seen or heard anybody do that before, so it was 228 00:11:21.039 --> 00:11:23.960 pretty interesting how everything reacted. 229 00:11:24.120 --> 00:11:26.000 Yeah, it's not the first time I've heard that. There's 230 00:11:26.039 --> 00:11:28.120 tons of people that have taken the Sierra sounds, or 231 00:11:28.120 --> 00:11:30.000 at least part of those out and played them and 232 00:11:30.039 --> 00:11:32.799 gotten different results. We could probably do an entire show 233 00:11:32.840 --> 00:11:35.279 on just that. Ken, What about you? What have you 234 00:11:35.320 --> 00:11:38.679 seen change for you? And or research in general over 235 00:11:38.679 --> 00:11:39.519 the last decade. 236 00:11:39.919 --> 00:11:41.679 I feel like we have been chasing our tails for 237 00:11:41.679 --> 00:11:43.120 a while. That does seem to be the case. For 238 00:11:43.159 --> 00:11:46.879 whatever reason, I guess one could speculate that these animals 239 00:11:46.960 --> 00:11:50.159 are maybe becoming fewer in number. There's a lot of 240 00:11:50.200 --> 00:11:53.000 the forestation, habitat loss, and stuff going on right now. 241 00:11:53.080 --> 00:11:55.679 But the most promising project I was involved with was 242 00:11:55.759 --> 00:11:59.399 last year I accompanied doctor Haskell Hart, who was a 243 00:11:59.440 --> 00:12:03.200 PhD from Harvard. He's squarely debunked the so called catch 244 00:12:03.240 --> 00:12:06.600 Him Bigfoot DNA study in my opinion. Now, granted, it's 245 00:12:06.639 --> 00:12:09.519 still expensive, but e DNA is definitely going to be 246 00:12:09.840 --> 00:12:12.440 our best bet in terms of coming up with definitive proof. 247 00:12:12.720 --> 00:12:16.399 I joined doctor Hart last year in Oklahoma and we 248 00:12:16.639 --> 00:12:19.679 took water samples from all the creeks that populate the 249 00:12:19.679 --> 00:12:22.519 so called are x in Oklahoma, which obviously everyone hears 250 00:12:22.600 --> 00:12:25.320 is a pretty active bigfoit area. Now School's working with 251 00:12:25.360 --> 00:12:28.240 a lab in Colorado that's actually affordable for him than 252 00:12:28.360 --> 00:12:31.759 perhaps most big researchers at this point. But imagine a 253 00:12:31.799 --> 00:12:34.360 scenario where you have a really good sighting of a 254 00:12:34.639 --> 00:12:38.639 faskuatch and it leaves a trackway and then you're able 255 00:12:38.679 --> 00:12:41.879 to extract DNA or soil from right under one of 256 00:12:41.919 --> 00:12:44.960 those footprints. Now you've got I think the triumvirate of 257 00:12:45.039 --> 00:12:48.759 proof there, because you've got an eyeweitis observation, physical trace evidence, 258 00:12:48.799 --> 00:12:51.039 and then if we can come up with DNA that 259 00:12:51.200 --> 00:12:53.159 gets us in the right neighborhood in terms of some 260 00:12:53.320 --> 00:12:56.039 type of homin in running around in an area where 261 00:12:56.080 --> 00:12:59.120 it couldn't be. I think that's going to be pretty definitive. Again, 262 00:12:59.159 --> 00:13:02.559 I think it's cost prohibitive for most bigfoot researchers. For example, 263 00:13:02.559 --> 00:13:04.879 Cliff told me that he did some research into this 264 00:13:04.919 --> 00:13:07.360 in order to get a DNA sequence that puts you 265 00:13:07.519 --> 00:13:10.240 in the family of great apes. You're talking about maybe 266 00:13:10.279 --> 00:13:12.440 just a few thousand dollars or less at this point, 267 00:13:13.039 --> 00:13:16.000 but in order for them to determine that sequences novel 268 00:13:16.039 --> 00:13:18.480 and does not match any known how mand human, any 269 00:13:18.480 --> 00:13:21.399 great ape known, and now you're talking six figures, you 270 00:13:21.519 --> 00:13:23.799 better be darn sure as a bigfoot researcher that you 271 00:13:23.879 --> 00:13:24.799 have bigfoot DNA. 272 00:13:24.799 --> 00:13:25.840 If you're going to spend. 273 00:13:25.600 --> 00:13:28.480 One hundred thousand dollars or more on a DNA test, 274 00:13:29.039 --> 00:13:30.840 those are my thoughts. I think that's a pretty cool 275 00:13:30.919 --> 00:13:33.960 technology that's hopefully going to become more affordable to bigfoot 276 00:13:33.960 --> 00:13:34.879 researchers at large. 277 00:13:35.679 --> 00:13:38.200 Ron, I think it's safe to say that you probably 278 00:13:38.360 --> 00:13:41.679 have the most experienced boots on the ground in the 279 00:13:41.679 --> 00:13:43.960 woods looking for these things. I don't want to date you, 280 00:13:44.000 --> 00:13:46.159 my friend, but I think that's safe to say. What 281 00:13:46.320 --> 00:13:50.440 have you seen over the last two decades that has 282 00:13:50.519 --> 00:13:53.559 changed in bigfoot research? For you are just at large. 283 00:13:54.080 --> 00:13:56.679 It's just amazing how much more stuff was out there now. 284 00:13:56.799 --> 00:13:59.360 So you don't know what to believe. Technologists are good, 285 00:13:59.399 --> 00:14:01.279 You don't know what right eyes producer. We'll all have 286 00:14:01.320 --> 00:14:03.320 our opinions what they might be and what we think 287 00:14:03.360 --> 00:14:06.639 they could be. I have mine, But did anything that's 288 00:14:06.679 --> 00:14:09.919 a big help supposedly? I know other Jedida said, sponsored 289 00:14:09.919 --> 00:14:13.080 by the National Geographic went up to Bhutan in twenty fourteen, 290 00:14:14.200 --> 00:14:17.480 got a ed in which they swear was all contaminited 291 00:14:17.679 --> 00:14:20.600 the metachondria came back human. The same thing toutching there 292 00:14:20.720 --> 00:14:24.159 points that's two different sources that there's a human. So 293 00:14:24.240 --> 00:14:26.240 my question, we're going to ask you a question is 294 00:14:26.279 --> 00:14:29.639 who was there first? Bigfoot or humans? Al Saint Piers 295 00:14:29.639 --> 00:14:32.159 were the first? Or was big bush first? How far 296 00:14:32.240 --> 00:14:32.799 back do we go? 297 00:14:33.919 --> 00:14:35.879 This question that I have upon the screen is something 298 00:14:35.919 --> 00:14:38.399 that I have been thinking about and talking about for 299 00:14:38.600 --> 00:14:41.639 the last year or so. I do have plans to 300 00:14:41.960 --> 00:14:46.919 possibly do some expeditions maybe in twenty twenty five to 301 00:14:47.600 --> 00:14:51.120 huge horses, because here's the two things. There's two huge 302 00:14:51.159 --> 00:14:54.039 pieces of evidence out there that just about everybody into 303 00:14:54.039 --> 00:14:58.159 Bigfoot knows about. The Patterson Gimblin film from sixty seven 304 00:14:58.279 --> 00:15:01.840 Sierra Sounds. The two two common denominators for both of 305 00:15:01.879 --> 00:15:05.320 those things for me is how did everybody involved in 306 00:15:05.399 --> 00:15:08.200 that get to the areas where that was filmed and 307 00:15:08.240 --> 00:15:12.360 those sounds were recorded? Was on horseback? And I think 308 00:15:12.360 --> 00:15:15.919 there's something to that. So really quickly, if you don't mind, 309 00:15:16.159 --> 00:15:18.559 I'm gonna go off script as I normally do. Daniel's 310 00:15:18.600 --> 00:15:20.960 probably cringing, but I want to go off script. It 311 00:15:21.120 --> 00:15:23.600 just go around for a second and just get some 312 00:15:23.799 --> 00:15:27.240 really quick feedback from all of you guys on do 313 00:15:27.279 --> 00:15:31.000 you think there's something too going in on horseback because 314 00:15:31.080 --> 00:15:33.080 not a whole lot of people are doing that. I 315 00:15:33.120 --> 00:15:35.879 personally think it has something to do with masking the 316 00:15:35.960 --> 00:15:41.360 scent of humans on horseback. It's not bipedal, it's quadrupedal 317 00:15:41.399 --> 00:15:43.679 movement through the woods. There's a whole bunch of things, 318 00:15:43.720 --> 00:15:46.480 litany of things I think that contribute to that success 319 00:15:46.799 --> 00:15:49.360 if you were to incorporate horsebacks. If you don't mind, 320 00:15:49.399 --> 00:15:51.720 let's go around back to Lyle and talk a little 321 00:15:51.759 --> 00:15:55.519 bit about that. Is that something that you've considered doing, Lyle? 322 00:15:55.600 --> 00:15:57.559 Do you think it's a good idea? What do you 323 00:15:57.559 --> 00:16:00.320 think about horseback in general in bigfoot research? 324 00:16:00.960 --> 00:16:01.679 Yeah, and definitely. 325 00:16:01.840 --> 00:16:04.279 I was born in Fort Worth, Texas, So horses there 326 00:16:04.279 --> 00:16:07.799 are something that I've been around all my life. Last year, 327 00:16:08.080 --> 00:16:10.720 I wouldn't say I went Patterson Gimlin style, but I 328 00:16:10.720 --> 00:16:13.320 did charter a private horseback ride. 329 00:16:13.360 --> 00:16:14.000 I don't own. 330 00:16:13.879 --> 00:16:17.840 Horses, And stay tuned for more Sasquatch out to sea. 331 00:16:17.879 --> 00:16:19.960 We'll be right back after these messages. 332 00:16:23.679 --> 00:16:25.799 You have to get the horses from somewhere, but I 333 00:16:25.840 --> 00:16:29.080 had to charter a guide myself and my girlfriend was 334 00:16:29.120 --> 00:16:32.720 with me. We took the horses deep into the mountainous 335 00:16:32.799 --> 00:16:36.480 area of New Mexico and the northern part close to Colorado. 336 00:16:37.360 --> 00:16:40.360 I have interviewed people there and there have been sightings 337 00:16:40.679 --> 00:16:44.120 around there, and we took horses deep back hours into 338 00:16:44.120 --> 00:16:46.240 the woods. So that gave me a real good feel 339 00:16:46.639 --> 00:16:50.039 about how well this could work. Certainly, like Ryan said, 340 00:16:50.080 --> 00:16:54.360 if you're going into this habitat, you can't blast in 341 00:16:54.399 --> 00:16:57.480 there with a group of twenty five people with cars 342 00:16:57.519 --> 00:17:01.320 and SUVs four wheelers. It just seems the antithesis of 343 00:17:01.799 --> 00:17:05.079 getting close to them. So I think horses are great. 344 00:17:05.240 --> 00:17:08.039 On the other hand, I've used canoes a lot in 345 00:17:08.079 --> 00:17:11.039 the swampy areas around Boggy Creek and Foul We've gone 346 00:17:11.039 --> 00:17:14.359 in there deep with those canoes, which affords the same 347 00:17:14.440 --> 00:17:17.319 kind of thing. It's not as natural as a horse 348 00:17:17.359 --> 00:17:19.720 as a man made item, but we were able to 349 00:17:19.799 --> 00:17:23.000 navigate in there without using cars and get deep or 350 00:17:23.000 --> 00:17:26.359 there's literally no foot traffic. No one goes out there 351 00:17:26.400 --> 00:17:29.599 except maybe the hardiest hunters. Those are good ways. Certainly 352 00:17:29.640 --> 00:17:33.000 horseback is great. Then again, you get a report from 353 00:17:33.000 --> 00:17:36.039 some lady driving down a county road who never even 354 00:17:36.039 --> 00:17:37.839 got out of her car, and it stops right in 355 00:17:37.880 --> 00:17:41.000 the middle of the road and poses for several moments. 356 00:17:41.000 --> 00:17:43.559 So then you just can't outthink it. 357 00:17:44.079 --> 00:17:46.039 Ryan, What say you about the horseback my friend? I 358 00:17:46.039 --> 00:17:47.759 know that's right up your alley. You like to go 359 00:17:48.279 --> 00:17:51.359 minimal into the woods most of your research days. Have 360 00:17:51.440 --> 00:17:53.680 you considered doing the horseback thing? Do you think there's 361 00:17:53.680 --> 00:17:55.279 some success to be had there? 362 00:17:55.759 --> 00:17:58.160 Of course, as you pointed out, two of the best 363 00:17:58.160 --> 00:18:00.920 things that we have received with an our field came 364 00:18:00.960 --> 00:18:04.160 on horseback. But two things horses expensive as hell. I 365 00:18:04.160 --> 00:18:06.640 can't afford horse right now, so that's one alembly keeps 366 00:18:06.640 --> 00:18:09.519 me out too. I produced a show a Mongolia and 367 00:18:09.519 --> 00:18:12.359 we rode horses for four hours, two hours out pick 368 00:18:12.440 --> 00:18:14.119 wild strawberries, and two hours back. 369 00:18:14.799 --> 00:18:17.519 I was chafed and bow legged for two weeks. So 370 00:18:17.640 --> 00:18:18.960 let me think you if. 371 00:18:18.799 --> 00:18:21.559 Anybody is serious about riding a horse off to do this, 372 00:18:21.599 --> 00:18:24.880 because it would take time, you must ride horses pretty 373 00:18:24.880 --> 00:18:27.200 consistently before you attempted, or else you're going to be 374 00:18:27.240 --> 00:18:30.720 sore as hecky. With that said, to digress a little 375 00:18:30.720 --> 00:18:34.000 to what Ron said, what came first bigfoot or humans? 376 00:18:34.319 --> 00:18:36.680 In my humble opinion. At this moment, there were what 377 00:18:36.759 --> 00:18:40.240 like fourteen different types or variations of Homo sapien and 378 00:18:40.319 --> 00:18:42.680 what did the Native Americans all call them? A lost tribe, 379 00:18:42.680 --> 00:18:46.200 lost brothers. So maybe riding the horse mimics the people 380 00:18:46.240 --> 00:18:48.960 that they spend thousands of years on the side of. 381 00:18:49.440 --> 00:18:52.759 You take the Patterson Gimlin footage, you remove the hair, 382 00:18:53.519 --> 00:18:55.920 and what does it look like. Doesn't look like an 383 00:18:55.960 --> 00:18:59.799 ape to me. It looks like a really ethnic human. 384 00:19:00.680 --> 00:19:03.680 So yes, I think horses would work. You damn well 385 00:19:03.680 --> 00:19:05.960 better prepare your ass to go do something like that. 386 00:19:06.279 --> 00:19:09.000 And I think we're looking for another variation of a 387 00:19:09.079 --> 00:19:10.960 human being, and that's why that keeps coming up. 388 00:19:11.440 --> 00:19:13.519 Can what say you about the horses, my friend? 389 00:19:13.839 --> 00:19:15.440 Certainly you made a great point. 390 00:19:15.720 --> 00:19:17.839 One could argue that the some of the best evidence 391 00:19:17.880 --> 00:19:20.200 we've ever come up with, and there's actually two lines 392 00:19:20.240 --> 00:19:23.000 of evidence from that incident. We have the Patterson Gillan 393 00:19:23.079 --> 00:19:25.240 film and then we have the trackway with the ten 394 00:19:25.319 --> 00:19:27.640 casts by Bob Tipmas. There were definitely horses involved in 395 00:19:27.640 --> 00:19:29.960 that particular incident, so that is a good argument. One 396 00:19:30.000 --> 00:19:32.279 could also make the argument that Sasquatches may have a 397 00:19:32.359 --> 00:19:35.119 curiosity about horses. If you look at the Linn Crabtree 398 00:19:35.160 --> 00:19:37.880 incident and FOUK and then you have the so called 399 00:19:37.880 --> 00:19:41.160 big Muddy Monster was checking out circus horses, so they 400 00:19:41.160 --> 00:19:43.839 may be drawn in to some extent. The only logistical 401 00:19:43.839 --> 00:19:46.359