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Truth This is the Truth Secret Podcast. Excited and delighted

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talking about these beautiful subjects that are near and dear

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to my heart, to be ready to explore, to pick

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my brain, my guest's brain. That's always fun, to be

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interested in the topic. And that's definitely the tonight's topic

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at hand. I am definitely interested in it. The first

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conversation that we had was amazing. We had a beautiful

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time together, but it was cut short due to some

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unforeseen circumstances such as a hurricane that was destroying the

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neighborhoods around me. But we tried to do a podcast

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until all of the electricity was cut off. So we

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had such a good time, and we've been building and

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connecting ever since. So I'm gonna go ahead and jump

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straight into today's episode. My guest today is mister Paul Wallace. Paul,

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how are you, brother? Welcome to the Trusia Podcast.

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Speaker 3: My friend good Atri Sika, thanks so much for having

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me on your show again. I really enjoyed our conversation

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last time, and I hope I brought you some brought

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up better weather this time.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's been nice. So we got some rain right now,

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but it's been nice, especially I mean from what it was,

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because that was pretty insane, like it was lightning everywhere

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and we were talking extreme I lost all power, so

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but even I think I tried to I tried to

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record some of the stuff off the air, and but

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me and you connected off air and we talked for

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a good another twenty minutes and it's like, Man, this

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is it would be great material. People need to hear this.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we just have to remember what we were talking about.

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Speaker 5: Now, Yeah, who knows, I know what we were talking about.

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It's going to be something I have to do with

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the subject matter that we're talking about today. For sure.

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Your new book, The Scars of Eden, we're gonna be

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talking about that. That just came out and it's I

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think it's actually number one right now on Amazon and

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what is it paleontology right now?

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Speaker 3: Cole.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, And it's up there in a couple of different.

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Speaker 3: Categories categories.

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Speaker 5: So we'll talk about that in the book. What I

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want to know is, because I really enjoyed your last one, Like,

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what's the difference because this is like the sequel to

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the last one you did, Escaping Eden, right, and so

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what's the difference in the two.

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Speaker 3: Well after Escaping from Eden was published, I started to

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be contacted every week and most weeks every day by

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people who had encountered the book and were connecting with

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it because of a couple of reasons, And one was

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people had had close encounters or anormalous experiences that had

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just busted them out of their old world views, and

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we're now in a space of trying to piece their

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world together and work out what was going on. But

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I heard from a lot of people who had had

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close encounters and couldn't talk to anyone about them. And

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that's a really way of expressing it, because I heard

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from a number of people who would say things like this, Paul,

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I hadn't encountered when I was fifteen years old. It

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changed my life. I've talked to my spouse about it,

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time when it happened, and I haven't told another living

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breathing soul in the fifty years since. That's the power

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of the fear of ridicule around close encounter phenomena. And

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yet they still needed to process what happened to them,

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and so they were reaching out to me for those reasons.

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really started me on another journey. And then another group

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that I heard from very significantly veterans of war, and

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in particular veterans of the two thousand and three invasion

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of Iraq and I was hearing from people who had

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gone in believing that they were laying their lives on

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the line for the reasons stated in the press. They'd

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gone into free the Kords, or they'd gone save the

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world from weapons of mass destruction, or they've gone into

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save the Iraq by affecting regime change. They went in,

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and then they found out that their particular unit was

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there for a totally other reason, and it was an

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archaeological reason. They were there to sequester archaeological finds, take

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them out of a rut, and take them to I'm

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not quite sure where in America for we don't know

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quite what analysis or experimentation. And you can imagine how

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disspicating that kind of experience is. I mean, first off,

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it is a traumatizing thing to go into a theater

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of war and have to kill people and have to

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risk your own life, and then to discover that you're

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risking your life for people you don't know who they are,

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who are obtaining objects you don't know what they are.

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They relate to the world's oldest narratives concerning our origins

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as a species, our place on the planet, our place

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in the cosmos, and so when these veterans of war return.

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That's the white rabbit. They started following their questions took

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them to the ancient Sumerian texts, the Quna formed tablets,

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and that brought them to the Fifth Kind TV or

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to Escaping from Eden, and then to me in conversation,

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story they'd just become a part of, and the compassion

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that I feel for people who were in that situation

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that started the cogs turning for me and making me

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realize I'm on another journey here that I'm going to

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have to share. But there was another reason there had

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to be a the Scars of Eden, and that was

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that I was preparing for the launch of Escaping from

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Eden when I suddenly realized I was going to have

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to tell my parents in law about this new book

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that was coming out. Now, my parents in law they're

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lovely people. They are devout Christians, love the Lord, They

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love the Lord, Baptist and Pentecostal heritage. They're from Ghana,

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And I thought, how are they going to take a

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book where the subtitle is does Genesis teach that the

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human race was created by God? Engineered by ets? And

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by the time you get to the end of the book,

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you realize it's engineered by ets.

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Speaker 5: I think this could to be fair, isn't it. Can

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you still hold onto the narrative of both kind of both?

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Speaker 3: Yes? Absolutely, absolutely, that's right, true Seeker, And that's where

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the sequel comes in, because I'll come back to my

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parents in Laura in a moment. A lot of people

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contact me now because that's the wrestle they're wrestling. They

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have come from a faith background, they have had experiences

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that have convinced them of the reality of a transcendent

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reality they call God. They have had experiences of manifestation

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and relationship with God. And yet now all the narratives

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surrounding that seems to be in pieces, after they've realized

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they're in a populated universe and that some of the

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stories they thought were God's stories are really ET stories,

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the Elohim stories I talk about and escaping from Eden,

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and so people find themselves in that territory and they're thinking,

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what pieces do I pick up? How do they fit together?

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How do these two truths go together? Populated universe, ET

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intervention in our evolution and some kind of a God reality.

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How do they go together, and in the Scars of Eden,

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I spend quite a bit of time walking people through

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the reframing that's required the moment you've taken red pill

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of populated universe. So I was preparing my parents in

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law for that kind of moment. Had no idea how

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they'd take it. So they came and stayed with us

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in camera for a weekend, and we had some nice

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food and some nice wine. And when everybody was relaxed,

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I thought, Okay, this is a good moment, and I said,

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coffee patients, let me tell you about my latest book

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I've got coming out. And so I ran through what

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we just shared. They listened poker faced. I had no

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idea how they were going to take this, and you know,

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I am their son in law, so I, you know,

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wanted it to work out well. At the end of

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my little speech, my father in law lean back in

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his chair and he said, paul A Penny has dropped,

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meaning that all the anomalies that he had found in

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his reading of the Bible or Christian explanations for anomalies

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in the Bible, had just resolved because of realizing these

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stories are really memories of et contact. And then my

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mother in law lent forward and she said, Paul, we

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already know this story. She said, in Ghana, we know

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the Christian story, we know the modern scientific answers, but

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there is also an indigenous story that tells us we

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are not alone on this planet or in the cosmos,

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that there is another non human presence on planet Earth

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involved with humanity and specifically involved in abductions and hybridization.

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And I couldn't believe these words coming out of my

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mother in law's mouth. And then she said, in fact,

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we're very closely connected with another family who experienced one

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of these abductions. And she ran through that story and

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my jaw dropped. I had no idea they had this awareness.

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I had no idea we were so closely connected with

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people who had experienced and and that sent me on

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a journey around the world. Because the Ghanaian tradition that

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talks about these things is called the Mammi Water tradition,

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that's the modern name for it. It's actually hundreds of

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years old, predating that name. And this account of presence,

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abduction's hybridization is there on the east coast of Africa

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down to the Southern Cone, all up the western seaboard

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into the Caribbean, Brazil, Haiti, Cuba, as far east as

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the Philippines. In the Philippines, they have vocabulary that has

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been developed purely to tell this abduction's narrative. That vocabulary

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has its roots in India, so the story is there.

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You then go into Europe. The whole of Europe is

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named after an abductee. Europa was one of the daughters

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of a king of Phoenicia. She was abducted by a

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non human entity. She was She produced children who were hybrids,

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three of them three boys. One of them is name

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as Minos, and he became the progenitor of the Minoan civilization.

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not fable, not fictional mythology. History. The whole of Europe

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is named after the person who had that experience, and

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then it repeats in the Norse countries, going to Northern

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Europe and Scotland, Ireland, Wales, they all have this same story.

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And the details that repeat concerning the abduction phenomena are

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the same, and they are curious details and the pattern.

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If I tell you what happened to our friend in Ghana,

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every detail occurs in all these cultures through the centuries.

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She was on the beach near the water. In her case,

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she was on the beach of ann Loga in the

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Kita district of the Volta region of Ghana. She was taken.

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hybrid children. They were in an underwater base. That meant

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she had no way of contacting her relatives, and the

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people who held her looked almost human, but they weren't human.

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And every single one of those details repeats. You go

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to Wales, listen to the story of Tilworth Tech, it's

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the same details. You go to Scotland and you listen

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to the indigenous stories there collated in abber Foyle by

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Robert Kirk in the sixteen hundreds, same story. It's such

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an unlikely story and it certainly doesn't parallel any human patterns.

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It's not a mytholozation of the slave trade or conventional

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slave trafficking. It's a different pattern altogether. And this was

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another international journey I made that when I started seeing

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the correlations, had to start concluding this is a this

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is real knowledge, this is a real memory that's being

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shared here. And when I wrote The Scars of Eden.

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book about eaty abductions. Certainly not because frankly, I want

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to be taken seriously. And I know people really struggle

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with the language of abductions. You know, people just about

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cope with the language of populated universe. But as soon

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as you're saying I was abducted, you know, by aliens,

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I had an alien baby, you're regarded as being at

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the fruit loop end of the spectrum, and people recoil

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as if they'd never heard the like, whereas in fact,

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the like has been told us for thousands of years

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by our ancestors in every culture, on every land mass

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on the planet. And I realized, if I was going

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to listen with respect to ancestral narratives, I was going

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to have to talk about the abduction phenomena, what it is,

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what it means. So that's another significant thread.

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Speaker 5: In the skies. Well, we're jumping right in, we're getting

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deep off the bat. Let me ask you this, doesn't

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that seem a bit primitive for advanced et civilizations to

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actually need to what some would consider kidnap a human

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and you know, use their embryos and they have to

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carry these childs for children for nine months, versus building

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some type of facility or some type of technology or

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like a incubator or something like that where they actually

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have to go and get a human woman to carry

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the children. That seems a bit primitive when it comes

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to you, know, these advanced et races, wouldn't you.

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Speaker 3: Say, yeah, I totally understand that reaction, But doesn't it

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seem is what we have to say, after we've listened

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to what our ancestors said, we have to hear the story,

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process the story, and then think what sense does that make.

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I'm not sure how primitive it is, to be fair,

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because it's taken us as a civilization quite a while

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to learn out how to find out how to do

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genetic modification of human beings. We can do it now,

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and I would suggest we probably have better spacefaring tech

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than the public know about, so put those things together,

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we could be in the same boat as some of

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our visitors. I'd also suggest that just because people have

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better tech for getting themselves through space doesn't mean they're

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cleverer in every other respect. If there are abductions happening,

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it's because there are things about us that they like

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and that they want in their gene pool, and we

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don't know necessarily what those things are. But if you

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accept populated universe, if you accept the idea of panspermia,

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which means ultimately we're all related, if we go far

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enough back, we're all from that same genetic coding for

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biological conscious life that's been seeded through the cosmos, then

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it is quite possible that at the same time as

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being related, there's something unique about the fusion that is homosapians,

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the animal strength, the mammal emotion, the higher consciousness may

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have created a somewhat unique blend. Now that's what the

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Bible story of hybridization says in Genesis six. If people

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are Bible readers, this is probably the first abduction story

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they'll know. With the bene Elihim, which I argue is

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the second wave of ets reported in the Bible turn

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up to abduct specifically human females, And in the Genesis

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six telling, it says they looked on the human females

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and said, wow, let's have some of that in our

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genetic pool, and they find humans attractive. Maybe we have

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a robust physicality that some of our eteen neighbors don't have.

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Maybe we have an emotionality that some of our neighbors

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don't have, and they consider that we have more interesting,

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more colorful lives because of our emotionality. It may be

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that we're being visited by species who are on the

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decline because their population is too small. They may simply

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need to enrich their gene pool with something else. Now,

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you said, isn't it a bit primitive to have to

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require a human being to carry a baby for nine months?

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that the human mother will be used as a what's

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the word, I've forgotten the word. This is a middle

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aged moment where they will actually carry the baby only

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part term, and then the feeders will be taken and

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developed elsewhere in the lab et cetera. But there is

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something very very important about being in utero for that

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part of the pregnancy that our visitors seem to understand.

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There was something else I was going to say about

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that response of isn't this a bit primitive? Yes, people

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say that when they read some of the say the

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stories in the Vaders about ancient space faring craft, or

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they read some of the accounts in the Bible that

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describe vehicles arriving with smoke and fire and shaking the

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ground when they land, And people say, isn't that a

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bit primitive, you know, for ets or able to travel

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through the cosmos? Well, I think so. I think it's

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primitive of us to be using that kind of propulsion system.

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Seventy years after we started using it to get people

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into space and ultimately to the moon, we're still using it.

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and you actually do use primitive means for that, and

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then you wormhole it to the next place, or you

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conscious your way to the next place. These are really

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valid and interesting questions, but they're responding to an intact

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story that has survived for thousands of years, that has

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been told with details that correlate from culture to culture,

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from millennium to millennium. And it's part of our processing

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of what do we do with this report? What do

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we do with this information? And there are plenty of

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things that our visitors do that would see to be primitive,

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like war. So many of the ancient stories talk about

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et demographics warring against each other. Well, that's pretty primitive.

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Isn't it. And a few of them talk about them

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arriving here and needing a human workforce. Well, isn't that

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primitive having a slave species? These Sumerian stories and the

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Biblical stories translated in the way I think they should be,

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imply that our ancestors were here mining working in minds.

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Visitors and people say, isn't it primitive to use human

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beings as miners? Well, yes it is, But then look

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at what we do when we invade each other's countries.

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We invade them because we've got higher tech, and then

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we still enslaved the locals to bring all the natural

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resources to us so we can take them home. Why

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would we not expect to see something similar interplanetary level?

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And our ancestors say, that's exactly what did happen.

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Speaker 5: Just going back to what you mentioned at the beginning

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of us invading Iraq, Afghanistan and all of that stuff,

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there was a documentary I have to give credit from

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where I've seen it from, but it was from the

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Secret Space documentary by I forgot the name of the

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guy who put it out. But there's actual footage. It's

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heartbreaking footage of us going into their holy places and

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destroying a lot of stuff, tanks running over these ancient

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monuments and destroying these images and taking a lot of it.

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And those places are very ancient, and you know, go

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back to our genesis from Iraq, Afghanistan, those places being

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ancient Babylon and these places that are mentioned of in

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the scriptures, and we're invading them and taking all of

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the holy relics and destroying their history and all of

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those things. I guess going back, you know, with seeing that,

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I've seen that for myself, Like, what do you think

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the reason is? Is it so that they can erase

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any trace of a history, so that they can retell it,

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and which is you know, history is his story. Whoever

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is prevailing at the time gets to kind of rewrite

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the history books and tell you where we came from

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and who our God is and all of this kind

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of stuff.

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Speaker 3: True, I think you've hit the nail on the head.

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I think that's exactly what it is. And in the

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Scars of Eden, I identify many moments through history where

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that's exactly what's happened. Where we invade, we take over

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the truth and erase all previous knowledge of who we

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are and where we came from So that includes you know,

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burning books, that includes executing priesthoods. It includes in Australia

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last year blowing up Aboriginal Australian sites with hard copy

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of their knowledge of our ancestry and our history. And

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it includes driving tanks over sacred sites in Iraq. It's

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all part of the same destruction of memory. That destruction

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of memory is part of the story of the Hebrew Scriptures,

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where there is a huge forgetting that's actually commanded in

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the Ten Commandments that Moses gave. It begins by saying,

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you must serve no powerful ones other than this one.

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That one is taken the name Yahweh. You mustn't down

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to them, and you mustn't even depict them.

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Speaker 5: As far as to say no, that's right.

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Speaker 3: And so you've got through the stories of the Hebrew

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canon the destruction of ancient sites even then. And so

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that story begins then or continues then, and has rolled

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on ever since. It means the destruction of ancient sites,

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it means the suppression of ancient narratives. And I talk

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about executing priesthoods. There was a lot of that in

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the fifteen hundreds, as the New World was being conquered

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by the Catholic forces of Portugal and Spain and other

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forces besides of course. But you know, when I was

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growing up in the UK, that pattern was still continuing.

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We had a scientific research facility I used to cycle

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passed every morning on my way to school, and they

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were working on technology for Ronald Reagan's Star Wars initiative,

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and there was a lot of intrigue around what that

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was all about, because the way Ronald Reagan had phrased

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the announcement of it, and the huge sums of money

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being diverted into it raised the question of whether these

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were space bound weapons to police war on Earth or

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if we were talking about an extraterrestrial threat. While all

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those questions were in the air, and while the technology

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was being worked on, twenty five research scientists working on

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it committed suicide one after the other. And it was

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so glaringly not the case that these were suicides. I mean,

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the coroners refused to sign them down as suicides. It

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was open verdicts. They kept returning. And then I think

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it was Clive Jenkins, the Union leader in Britain at

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that time for research scientists among others, actually came forward

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went to the press, spoke to the television cameras and said,

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this is statistically impossible. These suicide slash murders must be

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looked into. We need a government inquiry, and the Government

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of the day under Margaret Patcher said no inquiry is needed.

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The Minister has already given an answer. These were suicide.

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It's an unfortunate chain of coincidences. Now, when you have

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an unfortunate chain of coincidences that glaring, you realize it

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really is a threat to anybody else not to divulge

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what they know. So it's not just the destruction of

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ancient knowledge, it's the destruction of current knowledge. We're now, though,

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in a rather interesting phase where we've come out of

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that period of history and into a period that I

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would regard as soft disclosure, where people are allowed to

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talk about things that are going on technology that's been

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retrieved without death threats such as we're faced by the

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people of Roswell, without finding that they'd committed suicide, such

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as happened in the UK at that time. They're allowed

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to speak and we're hearing from people from very authoritative

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positions now making these kinds of acknowledgments, and that's a

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big shift that I've seen in my lifetime while my

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attention has been on the topic.

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Speaker 5: Wow, going back to the abduction phenomena and contact these right,

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you know, we talked about this on the last episode.

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It's just like, you know, even the term abduction, you

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don't really hear that term being used a lot. You

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got to go back in history to see somebody who

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comes forward and say I have been abducted. Now we're

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here in contact these, I am a contact ee, they

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contacted me or experiencers. I've experienced the craft and it's

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something pleasant, something beautiful to them change their life. Mostly

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these days, I feel like it's in a good way

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versus mid nineties and before you heard abductions and scary

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scenarios and a lot of this hybridization that we were

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fearful and uh you know, you know, full of terror

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for this stuff to happen, and people feel a connection

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of something divine, something larger than themselves with this. Have

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you found and this is this is you know, just

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a deep subject, but have you found these beings to

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be relational mechanical because people feel like they're connected to God,

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connected the source, relate the et phenomena back to the

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angelic even have you found the means to be relational

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that this contact carries on even after the initial experience.

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Speaker 3: Oh yes, I have come to believe there's a great

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spectrum of experiences happening, and certainly there are people who

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would report very dark and traumatizing experiences. My friend and

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colleague G. L. Davies has produced a book called Harvest,

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which has looked at an experience so right at the

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darkest end of the spectrum, where not only does it

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look like a hybridization story, but it looks like this

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poor person is being toyed with in order for her

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terror to be studied or enjoyed. It's a horrible story, fascinating,

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very far reaching. And then at the other end of

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the spectrum, if you go to Kenya and if you

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can find people who've had these abduction experiences there, the

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tradition there is called the Maharani story. Well, those people

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will often come back after they're three years away and

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they say I was being held by the Maharani and

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they're quite nice. You know, it was other than the

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fact I couldn't return for three years, I quite enjoyed

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being with them. I regard them as my friends. Now

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when people come back and share that kind of story

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in Kenya, that's not very well received. And such a person,

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if they dare speak that way, is either going to

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be taken to the doctor for some psycho effective medication

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or they'll be taken to the past to have a

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demon driven out of them, because people don't like they

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don't like the nice end of the spectrum. And yet

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in the Scars of Eden, I talk about a conversation

477
00:31:58,599 --> 00:32:03,119
I've had with Barbara Lamb, who has more than two

478
00:32:03,359 --> 00:32:09,359
thousand case studies people she has personally examined with regard

479
00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:14,720
to their experiences of abduction, and many of them, once

480
00:32:14,839 --> 00:32:18,680
they've come to terms with what's happening to them, would say, well, no,

481
00:32:18,799 --> 00:32:22,279
they didn't hurt me. Actually they were quite friendly. And

482
00:32:22,359 --> 00:32:25,480
as they retrieve memory, they realize, just as you were saying,

483
00:32:25,559 --> 00:32:28,480
truth Seeker, they have had visits from the age of

484
00:32:28,599 --> 00:32:31,759
five all the way through their lives and there is

485
00:32:31,799 --> 00:32:36,079
a relationship. There's a lady in Australia called Jane Pooley

486
00:32:36,839 --> 00:32:42,839
who is very credible, intelligent lady. She's had a career

487
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:47,960
in nursing, she has three regular children, and then she

488
00:32:48,119 --> 00:32:53,240
claims that she has produced two hybrid children as a

489
00:32:53,359 --> 00:32:58,759
consequence of being an experiencer, a contactee, an abductee since

490
00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:02,200
the age of five. And she would say that being

491
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:07,279
she's in touch with do have a warmth to them.

492
00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:10,240
They don't have the same emotionality as us. It's not

493
00:33:10,359 --> 00:33:14,000
as developed as ours, but you can have a relationship

494
00:33:14,359 --> 00:33:18,400
and a familiarity and a feeling of safety with each other.

495
00:33:18,759 --> 00:33:21,200
That would be her report, and I think you're right.

496
00:33:22,359 --> 00:33:24,559
We do hear more of that now. And I don't

497
00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:27,920
know if it's because our culture has shifted and there's

498
00:33:28,079 --> 00:33:32,240
more opportunity for people to share stories like that without

499
00:33:32,319 --> 00:33:37,400
being damned or ridiculed, although I think in the mainstream

500
00:33:37,599 --> 00:33:42,359
people who have these experiences do guard them pretty tightly,

501
00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:45,359
and in the research I've done for the Scars of Eden,

502
00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:50,400
I believe these experiences are far more widespread than we

503
00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:57,079
would ever imagine, and that's because of the secrecy with

504
00:33:57,160 --> 00:33:59,039
which most of these stories are carried.

505
00:34:00,839 --> 00:34:03,759
Speaker 5: A question for you as well, when you talk about

506
00:34:03,759 --> 00:34:06,599
a lot of these people disappearing for three years, you

507
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:09,719
hear stories about people who have been gone for twenty

508
00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:13,280
years but they come back and it's only been three seconds.

509
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:17,079
Is some of this what we're talking about, or are

510
00:34:17,159 --> 00:34:20,199
some of these people on record for being missing for

511
00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:23,119
three years or did three seconds feel like three years?

512
00:34:24,199 --> 00:34:27,679
Speaker 3: Well, the case is that I have looked at and

513
00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:29,920
that I reflect on in the Scars of Eden the

514
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:34,199
second kind, where the person was in our timeline gone

515
00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:37,719
for three years and in their timeline gone for three years.

516
00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:44,000
So it's really that very four dimensional world story that

517
00:34:44,079 --> 00:34:47,760
I'm talking about that fits within our paradigms, other than

518
00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:51,159
the fact that there's this other presence involved.

519
00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:57,920
Speaker 5: Yeah, So I mean, what do you think about those

520
00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:01,559
stories though? Do they is the is that in the

521
00:35:01,679 --> 00:35:05,519
worldview of something that could happen, because we're we're talking

522
00:35:05,559 --> 00:35:08,320
about some pretty interesting stuff. Is that something that could happen?

523
00:35:08,519 --> 00:35:11,199
Or is it pretty fictitious? Because you've got a lot

524
00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:14,639
of Charlatans that have kind of written books and have

525
00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:18,480
studied other works and interjected and made up stories, I

526
00:35:18,559 --> 00:35:22,280
feel like that, are you know, sensationalizing this phenomena?

527
00:35:23,159 --> 00:35:26,199
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, you know, of course you have to begin

528
00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:32,840
by saying anything's possible, But it is difficult to respond

529
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:38,599
to stories where there's no way of corroborating a story.

530
00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:42,480
If I can put it that way, someone reports an experience,

531
00:35:42,599 --> 00:35:47,400
if there's no way of verifying it, then it just

532
00:35:47,519 --> 00:35:49,760
has to remain a story that we think about and

533
00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:54,119
wonder about. And I'm not being flippant when I say

534
00:35:54,159 --> 00:35:58,039
anything as possible, because consciousness is a very interesting thing

535
00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:03,760
that many people who report close encounters will say I

536
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:08,559
was aware my consciousness was being interfered with my perception

537
00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:12,360
of time, or my lack of fear, or my sedation

538
00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:16,480
was an interference in my mind or my consciousness. Although

539
00:36:16,599 --> 00:36:18,679
say I was taken to such and such a place,

540
00:36:19,639 --> 00:36:22,880
I think they took me physically, but it may have

541
00:36:23,039 --> 00:36:27,039
been something they did through manipulating my consciousness. Well, as

542
00:36:27,079 --> 00:36:30,679
soon as you're in that territory, then three years slash

543
00:36:31,079 --> 00:36:35,360
three minutes might suddenly have some kind of a framework.

544
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:39,559
And another thing when we're talking about consciousness, if you

545
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:44,880
can accept the possibility that we are primarily conscious beings

546
00:36:45,679 --> 00:36:49,960
and that our consciousness precedes our material life and follows it.

547
00:36:51,039 --> 00:36:54,679
As soon as your consciousness is absent from your material body,

548
00:36:55,480 --> 00:37:00,360
time doesn't mean the same thing at all. Think about

549
00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:04,280
the speed at which you dream. You know, the amount

550
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:07,639
of story you can get into a dream in a

551
00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:11,960
split second to incorporate the dog licking your face. You know,

552
00:37:12,119 --> 00:37:14,119
you might have half a day's story in your dream

553
00:37:14,159 --> 00:37:16,760
that culminates in the dog licking your face. That's a

554
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:21,360
little clue that our consciousness can really operate very very fast.

555
00:37:22,079 --> 00:37:25,039
People who have near death experiences or out of body

556
00:37:25,119 --> 00:37:29,519
experiences often say, in that state, there is no time.

557
00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:33,119
And so maybe if we're listening to stories of I

558
00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:34,960
was gone for three years it turned out to be

559
00:37:35,039 --> 00:37:39,239
three minutes, maybe we're listening to a story of consciousness.

560
00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:42,719
But when others come back and say I was used

561
00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:45,599
as a soldier in such and such a place for

562
00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:48,360
twenty years and I came back and I was still sixteen,

563
00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:52,480
Well that's an interesting story, but I have no way

564
00:37:52,559 --> 00:37:56,039
of verifying it. I'm happy to listen with respect, but

565
00:37:56,159 --> 00:37:59,280
I just don't really know what to do with that story.

566
00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:04,360
Speaker 5: Yeah, there's a lot of that, you know, and I've

567
00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:11,719
I've tried to focus on repeatability. Yeah, come back, come back,

568
00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:14,039
come come, give us a sign, those kind of things,

569
00:38:14,079 --> 00:38:15,840
and I've had some luck. You know, it's not one

570
00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:19,400
hundred percent, it's very low, but there's there's you know,

571
00:38:19,519 --> 00:38:22,000
if you gaze at the sky long enough, you'll see

572
00:38:22,079 --> 00:38:24,760
some really interesting things. And I think people who have

573
00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:27,920
had abduction scenarios that if you begin to stargauge, you

574
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:30,800
begin to see some very interesting movement in the sky

575
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:32,920
is above your house, in the area that you live.

576
00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:35,679
I'll say that the skies are active. I'll say that

577
00:38:36,559 --> 00:38:38,159
a couple of different places. I want to go. I

578
00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:40,719
want to go and kind of question some of this

579
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:42,679
stuff a little bit for you and just see what

580
00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:46,039
you'd say. I don't know exactly what we've recovered on

581
00:38:46,119 --> 00:38:48,159
the last episode. This is just stuff that that I

582
00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:51,079
like talking about, but I want to kind of set

583
00:38:51,119 --> 00:38:53,199
it up a little bit from your perspective of a

584
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:57,000
biblical worldview for the person who is a believer, you know,

585
00:38:57,079 --> 00:38:59,840
which is me. You know what I'm saying, and I've

586
00:39:00,079 --> 00:39:04,639
I've come to rationalize it and see how this fits

587
00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:07,800
into my faith plays a very big part of my faith.

588
00:39:08,079 --> 00:39:12,400
Doesn't go against the Bible, actually makes it quite literal,

589
00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:15,920
makes it versus something that is fantasy and allegory, which

590
00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:18,960
there's definitely those aspects that we love of the scriptures,

591
00:39:19,159 --> 00:39:23,400
but something quite literal that happen of these creators and

592
00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:26,760
these gods who are watching over us. From Genesis to

593
00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:30,920
revelation and are still here now. For the believer, for

594
00:39:31,039 --> 00:39:34,199
the person that's brand new to this, how does this

595
00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:41,039
fit in to a biblical worldview of our creators, the

596
00:39:41,159 --> 00:39:45,639
angelic Elohem and all of that being literal beings that

597
00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:49,159
came here and did I would say, God's work in

598
00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:52,599
seeding us on the planet and things like that. How

599
00:39:52,639 --> 00:39:55,679
would this tie into a biblical worldview for somebody who's

600
00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:58,719
brand new to this whole elohem phenomena.

601
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:04,599
Speaker 3: Yeah, in a word, translation, I mean translation of the

602
00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:09,800
languages of the original texts. And if I were to

603
00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:12,440
go to the beginning of Christian history and listen to

604
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:19,440
church fathers like Clement of Alexandria, Irenaeus, Justin Martyr Origin

605
00:40:20,119 --> 00:40:30,119
and Marcian, they were people who believed Plato's explanation of beginnings.

606
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:37,000
Plato believed in God, and when he talked about the

607
00:40:37,159 --> 00:40:40,599
nature of God, his story was in the beginning was consciousness,

608
00:40:41,719 --> 00:40:47,679
and then that consciousness expressed itself in the material universe.

609
00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:51,960
The material universe is there in order for consciousness to

610
00:40:52,039 --> 00:40:57,679
be hosted that experiences itself, and the theory of panspermia

611
00:40:58,079 --> 00:41:02,639
is a nuts and bolts a version of that view.

612
00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:06,239
The idea that the genetic coding for biological conscious life

613
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:09,159
seeded through the cosmos. That's just a mechanical way of

614
00:41:09,199 --> 00:41:12,360
saying what Plato said. Now, these church fathers held that view.

615
00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:18,400
Plato also believed that life was evolving happily on planet Earth,

616
00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:23,400
including our ancestors, and then some other beings from somewhere

617
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:27,920
else landed on planet Earth and genetically modified our ancestors

618
00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:32,639
and adapted us the greater consciousness and intelligence. These church

619
00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:37,119
fathers believed all that, and that would shock some people

620
00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:40,440
because it sounds very different to the traditional Christian view

621
00:41:40,519 --> 00:41:44,880
of where we all came from. How could church fathers

622
00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:47,679
believe that and believe the Bible at the same time.

623
00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:53,000
The answer translation. When you go back to the stories

624
00:41:53,039 --> 00:41:56,079
of beginnings in the Bible and drill down into some

625
00:41:56,280 --> 00:42:03,320
translation anomalies, make some translation switches. The story Plato tells

626
00:42:03,639 --> 00:42:06,519
is in the Bible, and it is the story that

627
00:42:07,119 --> 00:42:10,079
is derived from the Sumerians, and it is the story

628
00:42:10,159 --> 00:42:13,519
that repeats in ancestral narratives around the world. And the

629
00:42:13,599 --> 00:42:19,119
translation switches are around some really keywords. Elohim is a keyword,

630
00:42:19,719 --> 00:42:25,639
Rua is a keyword, Cavod is a keyword. Tub is

631
00:42:25,679 --> 00:42:31,480
a keyword. Thank you for that one. Tohu Abohu is another.

632
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:34,599
I'll go to Elohim, which was the entry point for me.

633
00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:40,000
Elohim is the word, the earliest word in the Bible

634
00:42:40,079 --> 00:42:43,800
that gets translated as God. But if you take it

635
00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:48,119
to its root meanings, it means the powerful ones. And

636
00:42:48,239 --> 00:42:51,519
as soon as you see that, you realize why Elohim

637
00:42:52,039 --> 00:42:58,039
takes plural verbs and exhibits plural behaviors and plural agendas.

638
00:42:58,119 --> 00:43:01,760
So the powerful ones say, let us make humans to

639
00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:05,440
look like one of us. The powerful ones say, we

640
00:43:05,559 --> 00:43:07,880
don't want the humans to be too much like one

641
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:12,719
of us. The powerful ones conflict over how intelligent the

642
00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:16,840
human beings should be. The powerful ones conflict in Genesis

643
00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:20,400
eleven over how much technology humans should have. And you

644
00:43:20,519 --> 00:43:23,719
realize that the powerful ones the el hymn. That's the

645
00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:29,159
Hebrew word for anunaki, it's the Hebrew word for the

646
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:32,599
sky people. It's the Hebrew word for those who engineer,

647
00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:35,159
and the means of American stories. So that's a bit

648
00:43:35,199 --> 00:43:37,039
of a red pill. As soon as you make that

649
00:43:37,159 --> 00:43:40,920
translation switch, take it to the root meaning, reread the stories.

650
00:43:42,519 --> 00:43:45,360
The et aspect of what the Bible is telling us

651
00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:49,599
becomes as clear as day, and so I tell people

652
00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:52,880
I'm in no way out to debunk the Bible. I

653
00:43:53,039 --> 00:43:56,840
want to understand it. I want to understand the texts

654
00:43:56,920 --> 00:43:59,960
that have been so carefully curated for thousands of years

655
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:05,280
and understand what the words actually mean. My first love

656
00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:16,440
was languages and linguistics, and I studied German, French, Latin, Italian, Portuguese, Greek,

657
00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:20,199
maybe a couple of others I can't quite remember now,

658
00:44:20,599 --> 00:44:23,840
And so when I came to my theology, I brought

659
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:27,199
all that sort of sensitivity with me. So whenever I

660
00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:29,360
go to a text, my first question is what do

661
00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:32,559
the words mean if I want to understand the text.

662
00:44:33,599 --> 00:44:37,920
So Elohim is absolutely vital, bene Elohim, I say, that's

663
00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:41,840
the second wave of ets, because bene Elihim means ones

664
00:44:42,079 --> 00:44:44,920
like the powerful ones who turn up and they're in

665
00:44:45,119 --> 00:44:49,360
con a conflict with the original powerful ones. On and

666
00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:52,519
on it goes, and then you've got moments in the

667
00:44:52,599 --> 00:44:58,960
Bible where there is technology being described. The Ruach that

668
00:44:59,239 --> 00:45:05,400
arrives and over the floodwaters of the devastated planet, that's Tohuabohu.

669
00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:10,920
The Rua is a craft it gets translated as the

670
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:14,199
spirit at that point, but you go to the route

671
00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:18,679
meaning a ruah is a thing that creates a strong wind,

672
00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:24,079
and the ruaj arrives and starts terraforming. Well, the Philippines

673
00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:27,639
have exactly the same story. They say the thing that

674
00:45:27,719 --> 00:45:30,559
came and hovered over the waters was like a hawk,

675
00:45:30,719 --> 00:45:33,480
and they call it Tagalog and with its wings they

676
00:45:33,599 --> 00:45:38,559
say it created these vortices of wind to clear the land.

677
00:45:38,679 --> 00:45:43,079
The Sumerians begin with the sky people coming down from

678
00:45:43,119 --> 00:45:47,679
the skies and then four winds clearing the lands. And

679
00:45:48,719 --> 00:45:54,880
the correlations again absolutely, And the the Edo people and

680
00:45:55,079 --> 00:45:59,280
the Yoruba people of Nigeria tell the same story, coming

681
00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:02,599
down from the guy and then clearing the land. So

682
00:46:02,719 --> 00:46:06,440
the correlations are fascinating and they make sense when you

683
00:46:06,599 --> 00:46:09,440
do the translation and you realize rua is a craft.

684
00:46:09,559 --> 00:46:11,960
Go to the book of Ezekiel and it tells you

685
00:46:12,119 --> 00:46:16,079
what the ruah look like, sounded like, how it moved,

686
00:46:16,320 --> 00:46:19,239
so on and so forth. So it's really a matter

687
00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:24,199
of revealing what's in the texts and understanding that in

688
00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:28,920
the Hebrew canon, you've got a whole library of literature,

689
00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:34,280
you have got devotional literature, You've got literature about God

690
00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:38,320
the cosmic source, and the prophets who have that vision

691
00:46:39,119 --> 00:46:42,679
use the name Yahweh, but that name has actually been

692
00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:46,480
pasted over these earlier stories that are not about the

693
00:46:46,599 --> 00:46:50,760
cosmic source. They are about the ets who came colonized

694
00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:54,239
our planet and governed over our ancestors. And do a

695
00:46:54,280 --> 00:46:57,360
little bit of translation and you realize it is all

696
00:46:57,599 --> 00:47:00,159
in the mix. So it's not an either or, it's

697
00:47:00,199 --> 00:47:05,000
not God or aliens. It is the whole story, the

698
00:47:05,079 --> 00:47:07,719
wholeship bang. They are all part of the picture.

699
00:47:09,039 --> 00:47:11,639
Speaker 5: So with that being said, you're naming all of these

700
00:47:11,719 --> 00:47:15,679
different tribes, all of these different religious backgrounds and beliefs

701
00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:21,119
and civilizations that believed the exact same thing. Their creation

702
00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:25,199
story is similar with christiandom and with the Bible. We've

703
00:47:25,320 --> 00:47:30,880
claimed exclusivity as all of these other regions and religions.

704
00:47:32,039 --> 00:47:35,199
There comes a point and if we're just studying the

705
00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:38,400
creation story, that we have to give up exclusivity because

706
00:47:38,559 --> 00:47:41,840
we find it being echoed. There's names that are borrowed

707
00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:44,719
from other nations that are in the Bible. There's stories

708
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:47,719
that are borrowed and just the names are you know,

709
00:47:48,119 --> 00:47:53,119
change to protect the protect certain people see stories that

710
00:47:53,159 --> 00:47:55,400
are told over and over, but there's just little details

711
00:47:55,639 --> 00:47:58,400
that change. And so even with that being said, you've

712
00:47:58,440 --> 00:48:00,480
got to give up some of this exclusion civity and

713
00:48:00,599 --> 00:48:03,519
be able to say, you know what, I see the similarities.

714
00:48:03,840 --> 00:48:06,679
It doesn't stop there. It doesn't stop with creation. It

715
00:48:06,719 --> 00:48:08,840
doesn't stop with the gods or with the Elo, or

716
00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:11,920
with the Aliens, or with the Ennaki or whatever, or

717
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:17,199
you know, the star gods. It goes into the Christ's

718
00:48:17,199 --> 00:48:21,199
story and the thirteen risen saviors, if you will, and

719
00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:24,119
and and things begun begin to be a little bit

720
00:48:24,199 --> 00:48:28,920
more inclusive versus exclusive, as we've been told that this

721
00:48:29,159 --> 00:48:31,280
is ours and we need to convert you to this.

722
00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:36,079
We find the Biblical narrative to be a very inclusive,

723
00:48:36,199 --> 00:48:42,800
a very universal tradition and uh practice and and mirrors

724
00:48:42,840 --> 00:48:46,599
and mimics practices from all over the world. When did

725
00:48:46,679 --> 00:48:52,719
you make that that that voyage to to open up

726
00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:55,719
and to be able to see God in more than

727
00:48:55,840 --> 00:48:58,960
just what you were You were taught of the Christianity,

728
00:48:59,079 --> 00:49:01,480
the Catholic Church and all this, and to be able

729
00:49:01,519 --> 00:49:04,880
to look at the Egyptian text and see the beauty

730
00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:07,199
in it, to look at the Doo and see the

731
00:49:07,239 --> 00:49:10,719
beauty to look at Ethiopian eunichs, you know, in just

732
00:49:10,960 --> 00:49:15,519
every single one and see the lines that definitely cross

733
00:49:15,599 --> 00:49:17,599
and intersect definitely.

734
00:49:18,119 --> 00:49:23,440
Speaker 3: Well, when did I really gradually through many many years

735
00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:28,599
and through studying texts, but also through experience. So I'll

736
00:49:28,639 --> 00:49:33,239
come back to the exclusively exclusivity question is really important,

737
00:49:33,320 --> 00:49:36,719
It's very profound. I'll come back to the Jesus story

738
00:49:36,719 --> 00:49:39,239
at the moment. But if I say that when I

739
00:49:39,519 --> 00:49:41,880
was first a Christian, I became a Christian when I

740
00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:46,079
was seventeen, having previously been an atheist, and when I

741
00:49:46,199 --> 00:49:48,440
came to faith, it was a time of renewal in

742
00:49:48,519 --> 00:49:50,960
the church. Is meaning that a lot of people were

743
00:49:51,079 --> 00:49:57,400
having very powerful spiritual, transcendent experiences and then we had

744
00:49:57,440 --> 00:49:59,440
to get our head around what this meant. And some

745
00:49:59,559 --> 00:50:06,760
of these experiences were very powerful spontaneous healings. So in

746
00:50:06,920 --> 00:50:10,000
my church, there was a lady who began seeing through

747
00:50:10,039 --> 00:50:14,079
an eye that had no optic nerve, and she'd been

748
00:50:14,119 --> 00:50:16,480
blind for years because of no optic nerve. Well, that

749
00:50:17,519 --> 00:50:20,280
is what you call a miracle. And we were seeing

750
00:50:20,360 --> 00:50:23,559
things like that happening. We wanted to get into that,

751
00:50:23,880 --> 00:50:28,880
and so we were learning about healing modalities within the

752
00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:35,039
Christian tradition, and those modalities would include placing hands over

753
00:50:35,199 --> 00:50:39,639
an injured area with the intention of bringing physical healing.

754
00:50:40,760 --> 00:50:43,800
Sometimes you would speak to an injury or to a

755
00:50:43,840 --> 00:50:47,199
body part as if it was an intelligent entity and

756
00:50:47,360 --> 00:50:50,800
start telling it what to do. Those kinds of modalities

757
00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:55,920
things we see Jesus doing in the Gospels, and I

758
00:50:56,159 --> 00:51:02,760
saw amazing healings happen through those modalities. Well, as I

759
00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:07,599
grew up, left home, went to bath the university, started

760
00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:11,559
exploring the world. I started discovering other people were doing

761
00:51:11,639 --> 00:51:16,840
this who were not Christians, people with no religious faith

762
00:51:16,920 --> 00:51:20,079
or spirituality, were doing exactly the same thing with the

763
00:51:20,239 --> 00:51:25,199
results well often getting the same results. And that was

764
00:51:25,280 --> 00:51:28,280
the confronting thing. So it wasn't just that they were

765
00:51:28,360 --> 00:51:32,079
copying us, No, they were getting the same result. And

766
00:51:32,159 --> 00:51:34,400
I had to begin doing business with the idea that

767
00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:39,039
God was much much bigger than this little box I'd

768
00:51:39,079 --> 00:51:41,920
been living in. So things like that clued me all.

769
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:46,559
From time to time, I'd meet people who we would

770
00:51:46,639 --> 00:51:49,199
do what we called prophetic ministry in our church. That

771
00:51:49,559 --> 00:51:54,239
were often people were able to download information about you,

772
00:51:55,280 --> 00:51:57,280
and you'd think, how on earth did they just do that,

773
00:51:57,519 --> 00:52:00,280
and I thought, well, that's the Spirit of God's speaking

774
00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:05,000
to his people, the Christians to help other Christians. And

775
00:52:05,119 --> 00:52:07,840
then as I started getting out into the world, I realized, no,

776
00:52:08,079 --> 00:52:11,679
this is happening to other people. Other people are having

777
00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:15,840
this experience. People who might call themselves psychics are doing

778
00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:21,960
exactly the same thing. Chiropractice doing exactly the thing following

779
00:52:22,039 --> 00:52:25,199
the intuition. It's exactly the same as listening to the spirit.

780
00:52:25,280 --> 00:52:29,239
And so I had to begin processing all that. Now

781
00:52:29,519 --> 00:52:32,960
come back to the Jesus text, which is more recent

782
00:52:33,360 --> 00:52:37,639
at work for me. And it comes down again to translation,

783
00:52:37,880 --> 00:52:41,400
because I have realized so much of what we read

784
00:52:41,960 --> 00:52:44,199
in our ancient texts and not is this isn't just

785
00:52:44,320 --> 00:52:46,360
Christians doing it with the Bible or Jews doing it

786
00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:50,519
with the Bible. People do it in Buddhist texts, Indu texts.

787
00:52:51,400 --> 00:52:56,679
We read it through a lens. This is a religious text,

788
00:52:56,840 --> 00:52:59,400
we say to ourselves, and so we hear it in

789
00:52:59,480 --> 00:53:03,960
a certain way. Well, the Gospel of Matthew gives us

790
00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:07,639
a little summary of the first teaching that Jesus toured with.

791
00:53:08,480 --> 00:53:11,360
And again, if you use the root meanings of the

792
00:53:11,440 --> 00:53:15,920
words instead of read the translation with all the cultural

793
00:53:16,079 --> 00:53:19,079
layers that go on that language that we read into

794
00:53:19,159 --> 00:53:23,039
the text, go to the root meanings. Jesus's first sermon

795
00:53:23,360 --> 00:53:28,880
that he toured with said this, the amazing power of

796
00:53:29,119 --> 00:53:34,599
the Source is available to everyone. That was his sermon.

797
00:53:35,480 --> 00:53:37,760
That's what he told people, And then he went around

798
00:53:37,880 --> 00:53:42,599
showing what that looked like in terms of healing, entity removal,

799
00:53:43,320 --> 00:53:49,800
emotional freedom, living without fear. He was demonstrating what it

800
00:53:49,920 --> 00:53:52,239
means that the amazing power of the Source is available

801
00:53:52,280 --> 00:53:56,000
to everyone. You get into the Book of Acts in

802
00:53:56,079 --> 00:53:58,639
the New Testament, and it's the same story. The Book

803
00:53:58,679 --> 00:54:03,679
of Acts begins with people having this powerful transcendent experience,

804
00:54:03,880 --> 00:54:08,119
and the apostle Peter quotes one of those prophets from

805
00:54:08,199 --> 00:54:11,800
the Hebrew Scriptures saying, the Spirit of God has been

806
00:54:11,880 --> 00:54:16,599
poured out on all flesh. Yes, Joel, Joel, he's quoting.

807
00:54:16,719 --> 00:54:19,960
That's right, not all Christians, not all religious people, on

808
00:54:20,199 --> 00:54:27,159
all flesh. And then the apostles start touring the part

809
00:54:27,199 --> 00:54:29,199
of the world they were in and they start discovering

810
00:54:29,239 --> 00:54:31,960
it's true. They keep meeting people who are already in

811
00:54:32,119 --> 00:54:35,119
contact with the Source, who are already in contact with God,

812
00:54:36,159 --> 00:54:39,719
and they're seeing manifestations of that, and so they're catching

813
00:54:39,800 --> 00:54:42,400
up with this a great outpouring as they see it.

814
00:54:43,239 --> 00:54:47,440
And then the apostle Paul, I'm going back and listening

815
00:54:47,519 --> 00:54:51,320
to him afresh because I realized Plato's description of God

816
00:54:52,159 --> 00:54:55,519
is very closely echoed by Paul. Because Paul goes to

817
00:54:55,639 --> 00:54:58,199
Athens one day and he asked to clarify what he

818
00:54:58,320 --> 00:55:01,679
means by God. Suddenly, speaking to an audience that has

819
00:55:01,840 --> 00:55:05,719
no Jewish language or Jewish heritage, is going to have

820
00:55:05,760 --> 00:55:08,840
to explain from scratch what he means. So he says

821
00:55:08,920 --> 00:55:13,039
in his little sermon, by God, I mean the source

822
00:55:13,239 --> 00:55:17,760
of the cosmos and everything in it, that in which

823
00:55:17,920 --> 00:55:20,679
we all live and move and have our being.

824
00:55:21,119 --> 00:55:21,320
Speaker 5: Yeah.

825
00:55:22,320 --> 00:55:26,599
Speaker 3: I love that definition because that's a definition I think

826
00:55:26,639 --> 00:55:28,840
a lot of people can do business with. It's not

827
00:55:28,920 --> 00:55:29,880
a religion.

828
00:55:30,159 --> 00:55:33,119
Speaker 5: You know what he was quoting there, right, Yes, one

829
00:55:33,159 --> 00:55:38,199
of your poets, he said, the Hymn of Zeus. Of Zeus.

830
00:55:38,280 --> 00:55:40,639
He was using their own text to show them the

831
00:55:40,760 --> 00:55:42,960
beauty of the Creator in all things.

832
00:55:43,559 --> 00:55:47,159
Speaker 3: Yes he was. And I love that because what respect

833
00:55:47,280 --> 00:55:51,559
he was giving to the knowledge and wisdom outside of Judaism,

834
00:55:51,880 --> 00:55:57,000
outside of Christianity, saying your poet has already got here.

835
00:55:57,440 --> 00:56:00,800
He doesn't quote Plato, he quotes somebody else. You already

836
00:56:00,920 --> 00:56:03,239
know this, and I think that is so powerful. The

837
00:56:03,440 --> 00:56:08,280
moment you believe what Paul says that by God we

838
00:56:08,480 --> 00:56:11,519
mean the source of the cosmos and everything in it,

839
00:56:11,800 --> 00:56:14,280
that in which we all live and move and have

840
00:56:14,480 --> 00:56:19,679
our being, suddenly you've demolished the whole notion of separation

841
00:56:20,519 --> 00:56:24,639
and fear that so much religion is built on. And

842
00:56:24,840 --> 00:56:29,760
when the Empire hijacked Christianity, it used that idea of

843
00:56:29,920 --> 00:56:37,079
separation and fear to refeudalize society with a religious gloss

844
00:56:37,320 --> 00:56:40,039
over it. So now it would be considered that to

845
00:56:40,119 --> 00:56:43,800
be a good Christian you have to be subject subject

846
00:56:43,880 --> 00:56:46,760
to the priests, subject to the bishop, subject to the emperor.

847
00:56:47,199 --> 00:56:50,719
And you're in a feudalized, monolithic society and know you're

848
00:56:50,760 --> 00:56:53,320
not allowed to think for yourself, and don't read anything

849
00:56:53,360 --> 00:56:56,119
written by someone who's thought for themselves either, And that

850
00:56:56,480 --> 00:56:59,320
was the world we got locked into as all orthodoxy

851
00:56:59,360 --> 00:57:03,079
got militarized. But go back to the roots, and here's

852
00:57:03,119 --> 00:57:06,559
this far more cosmic, empowering vision that we are all

853
00:57:06,639 --> 00:57:09,760
connected with Source, and that that can manifest in the

854
00:57:09,840 --> 00:57:13,679
most amazing and wonderful ways. So for me personally, that

855
00:57:13,880 --> 00:57:18,440
reframing gives me a more confident, richer sense of connection

856
00:57:18,559 --> 00:57:20,639
with God than I think I've ever had.

857
00:57:22,039 --> 00:57:26,840
Speaker 5: Yep, and you know, it's it's something that's happening globally.

858
00:57:27,039 --> 00:57:30,880
There's an awakening happening. And what would you speak to that.

859
00:57:31,079 --> 00:57:33,480
I mean, I would say my story, I would say

860
00:57:33,519 --> 00:57:37,400
your story, very similar one. But that's starting to happen

861
00:57:37,920 --> 00:57:39,800
across the globe. I feel like a lot of us

862
00:57:39,840 --> 00:57:41,519
were like forerunners to a lot of this. It was

863
00:57:41,599 --> 00:57:43,960
kind of early on we found some of this work

864
00:57:44,719 --> 00:57:47,039
in some of these things that piqued our interests. But

865
00:57:47,199 --> 00:57:52,199
now it's global. It's something that that there is an

866
00:57:52,239 --> 00:57:54,679
awakening happening in the hearts and the minds of people

867
00:57:54,960 --> 00:57:58,320
who have been bewitched, who have been under the spell

868
00:57:58,400 --> 00:58:00,679
of the clergy and those things. But now there's a freedom.

869
00:58:00,719 --> 00:58:04,119
And as we're opening honest with these stories, they're seeing

870
00:58:04,280 --> 00:58:08,280
that hold on. There is some steady stable ground under

871
00:58:08,320 --> 00:58:11,199
this for me to explore, to really talk about and

872
00:58:11,320 --> 00:58:14,000
explore the subjects that I feel like the creator God

873
00:58:14,039 --> 00:58:17,119
has drawn me to, whether it be UFOs and aliens,

874
00:58:17,159 --> 00:58:20,280
whether it be studying the science of miracles, which have

875
00:58:20,400 --> 00:58:24,800
been beautifully explained by Joda Spenza and these kind of

876
00:58:24,920 --> 00:58:28,239
guys who who you know, would draw a red flag

877
00:58:28,400 --> 00:58:31,400
in the eyes of religion, but people were finding it

878
00:58:31,519 --> 00:58:34,679
being more inclusive. But do you think that people have

879
00:58:34,800 --> 00:58:37,239
to give up their religion though their faith in Christ?

880
00:58:37,320 --> 00:58:40,199
Then have you had to give up your faith in

881
00:58:40,360 --> 00:58:43,000
Christ and the beauty of the Cross and those things

882
00:58:43,119 --> 00:58:45,320
and the old rugged cross, if you will, have you

883
00:58:45,440 --> 00:58:48,119
had to take more of a different nuance of what

884
00:58:48,320 --> 00:58:51,280
that means for you? And what about others coming along

885
00:58:51,360 --> 00:58:51,679
after you?

886
00:58:53,039 --> 00:58:59,079
Speaker 3: Different nuance? Certainly, I still regard myself as a Christian

887
00:58:59,199 --> 00:59:03,119
because I love Jesus's teachings and I seek to live

888
00:59:03,159 --> 00:59:07,599
my life according to them. But yes, there's been some reframing,

889
00:59:07,679 --> 00:59:11,679
and it has to do with the claim to exclusivity.

890
00:59:12,199 --> 00:59:19,760
I think the moment you begin to unravel the hijacking

891
00:59:19,840 --> 00:59:22,800
of Christianity that happened, and you begin to see some

892
00:59:22,960 --> 00:59:26,840
of the doctrines that were pushed forward by the Church

893
00:59:27,639 --> 00:59:31,840
in order to manipulate people, you start unraveling that, and

894
00:59:32,000 --> 00:59:35,840
quite frankly, again translation you only have to do translation

895
00:59:36,039 --> 00:59:39,159
to do that. Translate the word Gehennah if anyone wants

896
00:59:39,199 --> 00:59:42,639
a white rabbit to follow the Church has translated it

897
00:59:42,840 --> 00:59:45,599
as hell with all the horrible doctrines that go with that.

898
00:59:46,079 --> 00:59:49,280
Gehinnah doesn't mean that Jesus came and he warned people

899
00:59:49,360 --> 00:59:53,480
against behaviors that would ruin their lives. Now, once you

900
00:59:53,639 --> 00:59:59,079
have processed that, I would put it strongly, the gospel changes.

901
00:59:59,119 --> 01:00:01,760
You're looking at a different gospel the moment you've done

902
01:00:01,800 --> 01:00:05,440
that translation work. Jesus came to help, and he came

903
01:00:05,519 --> 01:00:09,559
to help anyone who would listen to him. His own

904
01:00:09,719 --> 01:00:13,000
story is part of a wider story. Christians tell the

905
01:00:13,079 --> 01:00:18,039
story of the virgin birth as a reason to regard

906
01:00:18,199 --> 01:00:24,280
Jesus as unique. Where you start researching world mythology ancestral narratives,

907
01:00:24,360 --> 01:00:28,920
and you'll realize that an anomalous pregnancy resulting in an

908
01:00:29,039 --> 01:00:34,719
anomalously clever and sensitive and wise person is a recurring story.

909
01:00:35,239 --> 01:00:38,880
The story of Jesus's birth and his mother's pregnancy is

910
01:00:39,000 --> 01:00:42,679
a repeat of what happened to his aunt and his

911
01:00:42,880 --> 01:00:47,440
cousin Elizabeth, and his cousin John the Baptist. That story

912
01:00:47,679 --> 01:00:50,559
is told us a repeat of what happened with Abraham

913
01:00:50,679 --> 01:00:55,440
and Sarah and their son Isaac. That story is the

914
01:00:55,519 --> 01:01:00,440
story of a close encounter with three sky people Arians

915
01:01:00,440 --> 01:01:03,360
would call them. So join the dots. Here, we've got

916
01:01:03,440 --> 01:01:07,880
a close encounter with ets resulting in an anomalous pregnancy

917
01:01:08,320 --> 01:01:12,360
resulting in a very important human being to the history

918
01:01:12,440 --> 01:01:16,000
of planet Earth. Well, we've got three of those right there.

919
01:01:16,519 --> 01:01:19,199
And then you listen to the story of the Yellow

920
01:01:19,239 --> 01:01:25,079
Emperor l'atsu Vipasi Buddha, the twenty second incarnation of Buddha

921
01:01:25,159 --> 01:01:30,400
before Sidhatagatama Buddha. It's the same pattern, and those are

922
01:01:30,480 --> 01:01:33,920
part of a wider range of stories that we might

923
01:01:34,000 --> 01:01:38,039
refer to as the stories of star children or indigo children.

924
01:01:39,320 --> 01:01:45,679
There are mothers today who may tell you, although again

925
01:01:45,760 --> 01:01:50,960
these are stories very closely kept, they might have four

926
01:01:51,079 --> 01:01:54,480
kids and they'll say there's something different about kid number three,

927
01:01:54,679 --> 01:01:58,280
and there was something unusual about their pregnancy, and in

928
01:01:58,400 --> 01:02:02,599
their belief, there was some external factor that meant that

929
01:02:02,840 --> 01:02:07,960
child came out more conscious, more sensitive, more intelligent, something

930
01:02:08,159 --> 01:02:13,000
transcendent about them. Well, Jesus's story fits absolutely in that

931
01:02:13,159 --> 01:02:17,039
wide pattern. Now, at first that can come across as

932
01:02:17,320 --> 01:02:21,440
very threatening to a traditional Orthodox Christian because hang on

933
01:02:22,119 --> 01:02:24,360
isn't that why Jesus is the Son of God? Isn't

934
01:02:24,360 --> 01:02:29,880
that why he's the Savior? Well, don't panic, don't panic.

935
01:02:30,039 --> 01:02:32,960
You know that story, Just realize it's part of a

936
01:02:33,199 --> 01:02:38,239
bigger story and a bigger vision of God than perhaps

937
01:02:38,320 --> 01:02:41,159
you've done business with before. But you know, for different people,

938
01:02:42,119 --> 01:02:45,719
it'll be a different white rabbit. Yeah, but ultimately it

939
01:02:45,920 --> 01:02:48,639
leads to the same great rabbit Warren And you realize

940
01:02:48,679 --> 01:02:52,280
all these topics that connected this, they all feed into

941
01:02:52,360 --> 01:02:54,880
one another, and it's part of getting a bigger view

942
01:02:55,639 --> 01:02:59,079
of what's going on where we're living or where we're

943
01:02:59,079 --> 01:02:59,880
from and who we are.

944
01:03:00,239 --> 01:03:01,800
Speaker 5: Yeah, and it's part of a bigger thing. And you

945
01:03:01,880 --> 01:03:05,000
got to give You have to give up your exclusivity, like, no,

946
01:03:05,159 --> 01:03:08,239
this is mine, you can't have it. No, it's for everyone,

947
01:03:08,880 --> 01:03:12,679
it really is. And God is dealing with everyone as

948
01:03:12,760 --> 01:03:17,679
Benny not Bennie tripping. Billy Graham at the end of

949
01:03:17,719 --> 01:03:21,199
his life talks about how God has a remnant and

950
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a people for his namesake that are all over the

951
01:03:24,840 --> 01:03:27,760
earth and they have maybe never even as even so

952
01:03:27,880 --> 01:03:31,280
much have heard the name of Jesus spoken, Yes, but

953
01:03:31,400 --> 01:03:34,800
they are part of the body of Christ. Listen. Billy Graham,

954
01:03:35,159 --> 01:03:38,639
the great evangelist of our day, said that before he passed.

955
01:03:39,199 --> 01:03:43,800
Speaker 3: Absolutely I take my hat off to Billy Graham, And

956
01:03:44,880 --> 01:03:47,480
you know, I acknowledge he was a human being. He

957
01:03:47,639 --> 01:03:51,880
had his flaws, but he made an amazing journey, and

958
01:03:52,000 --> 01:03:54,679
I think he made that journey as a man of integrity.

959
01:03:54,800 --> 01:03:58,199
I actually worked as a counselor at a couple of

960
01:03:58,280 --> 01:04:01,199
Billy Graham missions, and I watched first hand in action,

961
01:04:01,440 --> 01:04:05,800
and I really loved watching him work. And there was

962
01:04:05,880 --> 01:04:08,320
a great humility to the way he did it. Oh,

963
01:04:08,639 --> 01:04:12,119
and there was a humility to the man in broadening

964
01:04:12,239 --> 01:04:14,639
his view as he got older. He used to be

965
01:04:15,559 --> 01:04:19,400
very strong on that exclusivity. And then toward the end,

966
01:04:19,719 --> 01:04:22,320
just as you were saying, truth seeker, he was acknowledging

967
01:04:22,400 --> 01:04:25,199
God has not left himself anywhere without testimony.

968
01:04:25,880 --> 01:04:29,320
Speaker 5: And he got so much flat He's amazing.

969
01:04:29,960 --> 01:04:35,079
Speaker 3: Bo said, Yeah, that's right, he's sold out. Something's happened

970
01:04:35,079 --> 01:04:35,920
to him spiritually.

971
01:04:37,000 --> 01:04:39,079
Speaker 5: That lit a fire in me. Man to see the

972
01:04:39,159 --> 01:04:42,159
greatest evangelists of our day at the end of his run,

973
01:04:42,280 --> 01:04:45,360
he's done it all, traveled the world, preached the gospel

974
01:04:45,920 --> 01:04:48,360
hundreds of thousands of people, and then at the end say,

975
01:04:48,440 --> 01:04:51,559
you know what, God is more inclusive and more loving

976
01:04:51,679 --> 01:04:54,599
than we've thought, and he is with everyone man. That

977
01:04:55,519 --> 01:04:58,440
really helped me in my awakening to be more inclusive

978
01:04:58,519 --> 01:05:01,280
and to share the gospel, declare the gospel as the

979
01:05:01,320 --> 01:05:04,239
wonderful work of God that's already happened, and there's nothing

980
01:05:04,280 --> 01:05:06,480
that you can do to change God's mind about the

981
01:05:06,559 --> 01:05:09,920
way that he feels towards you. It revolutionized it for me.

982
01:05:10,519 --> 01:05:12,360
There's a couple of questions here in the Chat, and

983
01:05:12,440 --> 01:05:17,719
people are asking about you know, Jesus was different because

984
01:05:17,760 --> 01:05:22,119
he was the only one, only person that ever came

985
01:05:22,199 --> 01:05:24,639
through the Holy Spirit, and he was conceived through the

986
01:05:24,679 --> 01:05:27,960
Holy Spirit and not as a as a sexual encounter.

987
01:05:28,440 --> 01:05:30,440
I'm just gonna I'm gonna give my thought. We don't

988
01:05:30,440 --> 01:05:32,760
have to go deep into this. This is my thought.

989
01:05:33,119 --> 01:05:37,599
My studies have led me to the understanding biblically that

990
01:05:37,880 --> 01:05:42,880
Joseph was the biological father of Jesus, and that he

991
01:05:43,119 --> 01:05:45,239
was of the Holy Spirit and his spirit was with

992
01:05:45,360 --> 01:05:48,719
the Father before he came to the earth. And and

993
01:05:48,960 --> 01:05:51,880
also that you got to understand to think that Mary

994
01:05:52,039 --> 01:05:57,079
was a virgin. Jesus has two older brothers, and Mary

995
01:05:57,239 --> 01:05:59,639
was a virgin. We're not gonna we don't gotta explore it.

996
01:05:59,639 --> 01:06:02,320
I want to. I want to go to let me.

997
01:06:02,519 --> 01:06:04,480
Speaker 3: I want to give another angle on that as well.

998
01:06:04,920 --> 01:06:07,679
I'm really I love a longer conversation with you on

999
01:06:07,760 --> 01:06:14,320
that true seeker. But not unique because his cousin, same

1000
01:06:14,440 --> 01:06:18,800
story exactly of the Isaac, the same story. It's the

1001
01:06:18,880 --> 01:06:22,400
Holy Spirit. In the case of John the Baptist, it's

1002
01:06:22,480 --> 01:06:26,760
the same angel whatever that is, who turns up. And

1003
01:06:27,480 --> 01:06:30,920
it's after that encounter that Elizabeth is pregnant. So even

1004
01:06:31,119 --> 01:06:37,719
within the storytelling of the Gospel itself, No, Jesus's conception

1005
01:06:37,920 --> 01:06:41,599
is not unique, not even in the Gospel. So I

1006
01:06:41,679 --> 01:06:43,000
throw that out as a challenge.

1007
01:06:43,760 --> 01:06:46,039
Speaker 5: I'm with you, and even whether whether you think it's

1008
01:06:46,280 --> 01:06:48,880
you know, I think it's it's it's he had a

1009
01:06:49,000 --> 01:06:53,000
human father, But it doesn't change the fact of his deity,

1010
01:06:53,159 --> 01:06:55,679
I would say, and who he was, and his message

1011
01:06:55,719 --> 01:06:58,199
and what he brought. That he was of the Holy Spirit,

1012
01:06:58,400 --> 01:07:01,159
just like many of you are. We're conceived of the

1013
01:07:01,199 --> 01:07:03,599
Holy Spirit, with a message and with an identity to

1014
01:07:03,679 --> 01:07:06,239
bring as well. We're going to open up the phone

1015
01:07:06,239 --> 01:07:07,960
lines now. I know there's a lot of people listening

1016
01:07:08,039 --> 01:07:10,039
right now. If you guys have a question for Paul

1017
01:07:10,280 --> 01:07:13,079
or myself, the phone lines are open. The number is

1018
01:07:13,280 --> 01:07:16,920
in the description wherever you're watching this at. But if

1019
01:07:17,000 --> 01:07:20,599
you call in Caveat, mute your YouTube video and just

1020
01:07:20,719 --> 01:07:23,000
listen to the audio on your phone. When you call in,

1021
01:07:23,239 --> 01:07:26,039
pause the YouTube, mute it. Give us a call. If

1022
01:07:26,039 --> 01:07:27,639
you have a question, we'll bring you on air for

1023
01:07:27,639 --> 01:07:29,599
a question for Paul or myself. If you want to

1024
01:07:29,639 --> 01:07:33,679
join the discussion, we'll open the phone lines up. So

1025
01:07:33,960 --> 01:07:36,400
we've kind of tied that into a biblical worldview. I know,

1026
01:07:36,440 --> 01:07:38,559
we kind of deviated a little bit. I did that

1027
01:07:38,719 --> 01:07:40,239
to bring it back. I want to bring it back

1028
01:07:40,280 --> 01:07:41,760
to the aliens. I want to bring it back to

1029
01:07:41,840 --> 01:07:47,239
the UFOs. Interesting, somebody in chat who's speaking up a

1030
01:07:47,280 --> 01:07:49,760
good bit two questions that I wrote down. They kind

1031
01:07:49,800 --> 01:07:52,440
of ask these questions in chat. So I want to

1032
01:07:52,519 --> 01:07:58,360
bring it back to the fallen angels. So you even

1033
01:07:58,440 --> 01:08:02,519
mentioned the beneha Alaheim or even in Genesis chapter six,

1034
01:08:02,599 --> 01:08:05,480
there were different beings and most people will say the

1035
01:08:05,599 --> 01:08:09,320
fallen angels came down and made it with women or

1036
01:08:09,719 --> 01:08:13,440
angels who left their first estate. And you know there's

1037
01:08:13,440 --> 01:08:16,119
a lot of different nuance even in that of these

1038
01:08:16,279 --> 01:08:21,239
fallen angels or these demonic entities which we call aliens.

1039
01:08:21,319 --> 01:08:23,399
And like you know, just as well as I do,

1040
01:08:23,600 --> 01:08:27,399
most Christians believe that aliens are demons, and I'm trying

1041
01:08:27,439 --> 01:08:32,279
to undo that stigma. Demons are demons, aliens or aliens?

1042
01:08:33,039 --> 01:08:35,479
What would you say with fallen angels and these people

1043
01:08:35,479 --> 01:08:38,199
who will say that these are the entities that are

1044
01:08:38,239 --> 01:08:41,520
coming down are demonic fallen angels that are trying to

1045
01:08:41,640 --> 01:08:45,800
mate with humanity and part of this hybridization and even

1046
01:08:45,880 --> 01:08:48,199
working with our government. And that was the second part

1047
01:08:48,199 --> 01:08:49,560
of the question. But what would you say to that

1048
01:08:49,600 --> 01:08:52,560
whole idea of these demons and things that are where

1049
01:08:52,600 --> 01:08:55,199
you're calling aliens or gods are actually demons.

1050
01:08:55,479 --> 01:09:01,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, the word demon does not mean the same

1051
01:09:01,760 --> 01:09:05,840
as fallen angels. You know, if you just read the stories,

1052
01:09:05,880 --> 01:09:10,680
you realize those words refer to totally different kinds of entity.

1053
01:09:13,159 --> 01:09:17,760
Fallen angel, Yes, that's fair, left their first estate. That's

1054
01:09:17,840 --> 01:09:20,720
fair because that's the language of the texts the way

1055
01:09:20,760 --> 01:09:24,840
they're translated. But you've got to stop and ask what

1056
01:09:25,319 --> 01:09:30,239
is a fallen angel? We use the word angel, and

1057
01:09:30,359 --> 01:09:37,399
we tend to imagine a holy, transcendent, spiritual kind of being.

1058
01:09:38,039 --> 01:09:42,039
But the stories of the Fallen Angels are of biological

1059
01:09:42,399 --> 01:09:46,000
entities who were similar enough to human beings that they

1060
01:09:46,039 --> 01:09:49,439
could hybridize with them. Okay, Now, if you're willing to

1061
01:09:49,560 --> 01:09:52,880
accept that when you use the word angel, you're talking

1062
01:09:52,960 --> 01:09:57,680
about a biological entity, then fine, use the word. But

1063
01:09:57,840 --> 01:10:03,399
the word itself only indicates that the biological entity you're

1064
01:10:03,439 --> 01:10:06,399
looking at is on a mission. That's all the word

1065
01:10:06,479 --> 01:10:11,479
angel tells you. Follow the story, and what you're looking

1066
01:10:11,560 --> 01:10:17,239
at is biological entities. You came from the stars, from

1067
01:10:17,319 --> 01:10:21,399
the skies, came to Earth hybridized, and it created a

1068
01:10:21,600 --> 01:10:26,239
huge controversy and a great stink and a conflict among

1069
01:10:26,720 --> 01:10:30,119
the non human demographics in the story. That's the very

1070
01:10:30,319 --> 01:10:33,840
least that you can say. And for my money, if

1071
01:10:33,840 --> 01:10:37,720
we're talking about non human biological entities coming from space,

1072
01:10:38,239 --> 01:10:42,199
I'm very comfortable with calling that an alien or an et.

1073
01:10:45,319 --> 01:10:49,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's the difference there is the alien or et

1074
01:10:50,399 --> 01:10:53,520
and then the difference between what some people would call

1075
01:10:53,600 --> 01:10:54,359
a demon.

1076
01:10:54,680 --> 01:10:57,159
Speaker 3: The word angel. Though, I would just come back to

1077
01:10:57,319 --> 01:11:01,840
the point about the word angel indicates function, indicates someone

1078
01:11:01,920 --> 01:11:05,119
on a mission. It gets used for those entities, but

1079
01:11:05,279 --> 01:11:07,960
it will be used to describe totally different kind of

1080
01:11:08,119 --> 01:11:12,439
entities in other stories. So some of them are on

1081
01:11:12,600 --> 01:11:15,279
a good mission, some are on a mission to help.

1082
01:11:16,279 --> 01:11:19,640
So please don't think because you've got the word angel

1083
01:11:19,880 --> 01:11:22,880
in English in your English text, that it's telling you

1084
01:11:22,960 --> 01:11:25,439
about the same kind of entity every time you see it.

1085
01:11:26,000 --> 01:11:29,319
This is why for me, everything's about translation and going

1086
01:11:29,359 --> 01:11:30,640
back to the original texts.

1087
01:11:32,239 --> 01:11:38,039
Speaker 5: And I'm of a different opinion when we're talking about demons, right,

1088
01:11:39,119 --> 01:11:43,520
demons and angels whatever that means, right, because the word

1089
01:11:43,560 --> 01:11:48,600
angel means messenger. We know this, but the demons, the

1090
01:11:48,680 --> 01:11:51,560
real demons, not fallen angels. Again, those are different entities.

1091
01:11:51,880 --> 01:11:54,319
But the demons carry a message as well. The demons

1092
01:11:54,319 --> 01:11:59,359
are messengers too, Jesus, that's true. Jesus manifested that showed

1093
01:11:59,479 --> 01:12:04,600
that different types of lifestyles, different types of sins would

1094
01:12:05,039 --> 01:12:07,279
welcome or open you up for a different type of

1095
01:12:07,359 --> 01:12:11,920
demonic activity or attack. But it was a message. There

1096
01:12:11,920 --> 01:12:14,880
were messengers, and so there's definitely a difference there with

1097
01:12:15,079 --> 01:12:16,359
demons and angels.

1098
01:12:17,039 --> 01:12:20,720
Speaker 3: They're also not physical beings. If you're thinking about demons

1099
01:12:20,760 --> 01:12:25,119
in the Hebrew tradition, Yeah, they're not physical beings. They

1100
01:12:25,239 --> 01:12:30,840
are energy based parasitical beings, and that's something else. In

1101
01:12:30,960 --> 01:12:34,840
other traditions, the word demon does mean something physical, but

1102
01:12:35,119 --> 01:12:36,680
not in the Hebrew tradition.

1103
01:12:37,119 --> 01:12:39,199
Speaker 5: Even though they're not physical, right, So those would be

1104
01:12:39,199 --> 01:12:41,520
different type of entities if we're going back to Genesis

1105
01:12:41,720 --> 01:12:45,880
in the creation story. But for the phenomena of someone

1106
01:12:46,000 --> 01:12:50,479
waking up in their room and having an entity at

1107
01:12:50,520 --> 01:12:55,439
the edge of their bed, most you hear both. It's

1108
01:12:55,439 --> 01:12:58,239
an alien, it's a demon. I was abducted. They've tried

1109
01:12:58,279 --> 01:13:01,159
to stick things in me, they were looking at me,

1110
01:13:01,560 --> 01:13:05,199
they were laying on my chest. I've had these experiences. Yes,

1111
01:13:05,279 --> 01:13:07,920
I feel like a lot of people tying them all

1112
01:13:07,960 --> 01:13:12,800
together where they were saying that their aliens or their demons,

1113
01:13:13,039 --> 01:13:16,359
or they're the same thing. But these are different entities,

1114
01:13:16,399 --> 01:13:18,920
and I feel like there's a mixture there. Have you

1115
01:13:19,640 --> 01:13:20,279
Have you thought of that?

1116
01:13:21,079 --> 01:13:24,439
Speaker 3: I definitely have. In fact, that whole topic of that

1117
01:13:24,600 --> 01:13:27,560
confusion is part of the story thread that runs through

1118
01:13:27,600 --> 01:13:31,079
the Scars of Eden, because I begin by talking about

1119
01:13:31,119 --> 01:13:34,520
an encounter I had when I was twenty years old

1120
01:13:35,119 --> 01:13:39,640
with some entities in my apartment in bath and at

1121
01:13:39,720 --> 01:13:43,039
the time, I didn't know what they were. It was

1122
01:13:43,079 --> 01:13:46,399
a terrifying experience, and as I reflected on it as

1123
01:13:46,439 --> 01:13:48,479
a young Christian, I thought, well, that must have been

1124
01:13:48,520 --> 01:13:52,159
a demonic encounter because it was horrible. It was scary,

1125
01:13:52,439 --> 01:13:56,159
and they shouldn't have been there. And the only boxes

1126
01:13:56,279 --> 01:14:02,880
I had in my worldview were God, the devil, angels, demons, human, animal, vegetable, mineral.

1127
01:14:03,079 --> 01:14:04,760
It's got to be one of those. I had no

1128
01:14:05,039 --> 01:14:08,119
other boxes. Yeah, now that I've done a bit more

1129
01:14:08,199 --> 01:14:11,159
research and realized there are a heap of other boxes,

1130
01:14:11,800 --> 01:14:15,520
I go back to that story and think, uh, not demonic.

1131
01:14:15,880 --> 01:14:19,079
They were physical entities. They weren't human. I need to

1132
01:14:19,119 --> 01:14:21,399
take a different box if I'm to really understand what

1133
01:14:21,560 --> 01:14:22,159
that was about.

1134
01:14:23,359 --> 01:14:27,600
Speaker 5: I'm with you. In my book, I covered elementals, and

1135
01:14:27,680 --> 01:14:31,000
I've encountered elemental beings, and there's even a lot of

1136
01:14:31,079 --> 01:14:34,079
Christians starting to talk about elementals. The I think it's

1137
01:14:35,279 --> 01:14:37,600
storky on. I think it's the Greek word and the

1138
01:14:37,680 --> 01:14:40,960
elements that are mentioned in the New Testament, and I

1139
01:14:41,039 --> 01:14:43,479
started writing around the elementals and I've had I've had

1140
01:14:43,640 --> 01:14:46,239
encounters with beings that are made out of the elements,

1141
01:14:46,279 --> 01:14:49,159
and it goes back into law and ancient literature. But

1142
01:14:49,279 --> 01:14:52,279
even when you're breaking down a category of yes, I

1143
01:14:52,600 --> 01:14:57,239
encountered the elementals, hold on which ones? We're just talking

1144
01:14:57,239 --> 01:14:59,800
about Earth, their fire and water, you know, those those

1145
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:03,479
elements and elementals that vibrate on those levels of frequency. No,

1146
01:15:03,640 --> 01:15:08,199
there's like a lot more. There's the shades, there's the undines.

1147
01:15:08,239 --> 01:15:12,239
There's so many more entities that are in that universe,

1148
01:15:12,319 --> 01:15:15,359
if you will. Right, and we're talking about UFOs and

1149
01:15:15,399 --> 01:15:18,680
aliens and angels, we haven't even begin to talk about

1150
01:15:18,680 --> 01:15:22,039
the different races or the different factions, if you will,

1151
01:15:22,199 --> 01:15:26,000
of benevolent and benevolent ET's that are watching over us

1152
01:15:26,159 --> 01:15:28,840
or trying to communicate with humanity as well.

1153
01:15:29,800 --> 01:15:32,159
Speaker 3: That's so true. And you know, even if you were

1154
01:15:32,239 --> 01:15:36,840
to confine yourself within the Bible, you've got other entities named.

1155
01:15:36,880 --> 01:15:42,000
You've got elementals, you've got shining ones, you've got spirits

1156
01:15:42,319 --> 01:15:45,720
whatever they are, that will communicate with you. Yeah, yeah,

1157
01:15:45,920 --> 01:15:48,439
that's what You've got, all those. And then the moment

1158
01:15:48,560 --> 01:15:53,600
you're willing to say there may be information outside of

1159
01:15:53,640 --> 01:15:59,279
the Bible, your worldview is going to explode way open,

1160
01:15:59,600 --> 01:16:02,520
and you're realize this is a far more interesting planet

1161
01:16:02,600 --> 01:16:05,239
and universe we live in than ever you thought before.

1162
01:16:07,239 --> 01:16:09,439
Speaker 5: Now Again, so I mentioned some of the stuff and

1163
01:16:09,640 --> 01:16:11,439
I just kind of just let it slip there, the

1164
01:16:11,560 --> 01:16:15,119
saying that our government may be working with some of

1165
01:16:15,199 --> 01:16:18,720
these entities, whether they're falling angels, whether they're are creators.

1166
01:16:19,199 --> 01:16:20,399
Speaker 1: You know what?

1167
01:16:20,439 --> 01:16:20,960
Speaker 5: Would you say?

1168
01:16:21,000 --> 01:16:21,039
Speaker 3: That?

1169
01:16:21,079 --> 01:16:24,319
Speaker 5: There's something called the my Lab experiments, and there's very

1170
01:16:24,800 --> 01:16:30,680
very interesting whether that's dealing with hybridization, that people who

1171
01:16:30,720 --> 01:16:35,920
have reported being abducted or being upon ships and waking

1172
01:16:36,039 --> 01:16:38,319
up and seeing what we would describe as some kind

1173
01:16:38,319 --> 01:16:41,920
of alien grays or reptilian type beings and then they

1174
01:16:42,000 --> 01:16:46,600
look in the corner and there's men in military garb.

1175
01:16:48,039 --> 01:16:48,159
Speaker 2: Oh.

1176
01:16:48,319 --> 01:16:54,399
Speaker 3: Yes, and how how disturbing that would be. I mean,

1177
01:16:54,479 --> 01:16:58,000
it's bad enough that you're in some environment you don't

1178
01:16:58,039 --> 01:17:00,920
know where it is, with enterities what they are, and

1179
01:17:00,960 --> 01:17:03,159
then when you realize, hey, that's some of our guys

1180
01:17:03,239 --> 01:17:06,239
standing over there. Well, how are you going to live

1181
01:17:06,279 --> 01:17:10,399
your life after that kind of experience? But yes, absolutely,

1182
01:17:11,000 --> 01:17:13,720
I believe that is what's going on. I believe that

1183
01:17:13,880 --> 01:17:18,720
we have had contact at covert government levels for a

1184
01:17:18,880 --> 01:17:25,359
long long time, more than seventy years. Robert Kirk I

1185
01:17:25,479 --> 01:17:28,960
mentioned was a Presbyterian minister who went to abber Foyle

1186
01:17:29,039 --> 01:17:33,359
and Scotland and wrote a book that he put out

1187
01:17:33,439 --> 01:17:38,000
in the early sixteen hundreds called The Secret Commonwealth. Now,

1188
01:17:38,560 --> 01:17:42,039
Presbyterian minister, you don't come much more conservative than that

1189
01:17:42,239 --> 01:17:45,199
in the Christian world. And yet this is what he

1190
01:17:45,279 --> 01:17:50,680
is saying. There's another presence that has not only an

1191
01:17:50,760 --> 01:17:56,239
involvement in human affairs, but has an influence over human government.

1192
01:17:58,039 --> 01:18:00,720
That's four hundred years ago, that was being said just

1193
01:18:00,880 --> 01:18:03,359
before Christmas. To bring it up to the present day,

1194
01:18:03,600 --> 01:18:09,880
Haim Ashad, the former chief of space security for Israel,

1195
01:18:10,119 --> 01:18:13,439
the brigadier general who held that position for twenty seven years,

1196
01:18:14,039 --> 01:18:16,760
came out and said that on the basis of his

1197
01:18:16,960 --> 01:18:20,439
experience and work, his understanding is that there is an

1198
01:18:20,520 --> 01:18:26,439
intergalactic federation in contact at a covote government level that

1199
01:18:26,600 --> 01:18:31,760
has chosen not to self disclose until humanity's understanding of

1200
01:18:31,840 --> 01:18:36,720
space is a bit more developed. Well, do we believe

1201
01:18:36,800 --> 01:18:39,119
him if he's telling the truth and he's only repeating

1202
01:18:39,279 --> 01:18:42,640
what our ancestors have said for thousands of years, then

1203
01:18:42,760 --> 01:18:45,319
all of a sudden, well maybe you shouldn't be surprised

1204
01:18:45,359 --> 01:18:48,000
if there are some guys in our uniform standing in

1205
01:18:48,079 --> 01:18:53,119
the corner while you're being probed. Yes, I believe Covote

1206
01:18:53,159 --> 01:18:57,279
contact Ed Mitchell, the sixth man to walk on the moon,

1207
01:18:57,319 --> 01:19:00,199
the late Ed Mitchell. I think it would be to

1208
01:19:00,279 --> 01:19:02,760
find a man of greater honor and integrity than that,

1209
01:19:04,239 --> 01:19:07,720
even while bound by layers and layers of official secrets laws,

1210
01:19:07,880 --> 01:19:13,920
campaigned for the USA to declassify its UFO files and

1211
01:19:14,119 --> 01:19:19,760
come clean about the contact it has with et demographics.

1212
01:19:20,800 --> 01:19:25,239
So I believe him. I believe hey, Mishad and so yes,

1213
01:19:25,399 --> 01:19:29,199
that means there is some kind of conversation going on.

1214
01:19:29,399 --> 01:19:34,399
The reason that ed Mitchell wanted all that to be

1215
01:19:34,600 --> 01:19:40,760
disclosed is because he believed that as a species, we

1216
01:19:40,960 --> 01:19:44,960
should be at that table. We should be part of

1217
01:19:45,039 --> 01:19:49,000
the conversation. We should be able to say, this is

1218
01:19:49,039 --> 01:19:52,479
our planet, this is us, these are our agendas, and

1219
01:19:52,680 --> 01:19:57,800
to have the intelligence to have diplomatic relationships with other

1220
01:19:57,880 --> 01:20:01,000
demographics who are with us, who are for us, now

1221
01:20:01,039 --> 01:20:04,960
have a nurturing relationship to us, because our ancestors say

1222
01:20:05,680 --> 01:20:09,039
that there are people here from the Pleiades, there are

1223
01:20:09,079 --> 01:20:13,319
people here from Lyra, there are people here from Sirius

1224
01:20:14,159 --> 01:20:21,479
who have a very protective and generous relationship towards humanity.

1225
01:20:21,600 --> 01:20:23,720
If that's true. If that's the case, if we have

1226
01:20:23,960 --> 01:20:26,840
friends at the table, then we need to be there.

1227
01:20:27,159 --> 01:20:30,479
I'm part of the conversation. Ed Mitchell believed it was possible. Hey,

1228
01:20:30,600 --> 01:20:32,880
mis Shed believes it's possible, which is why he made

1229
01:20:32,920 --> 01:20:36,479
the statement. They have more privileged information than I do,

1230
01:20:37,079 --> 01:20:40,000
but they certainly give me the confidence to believe the

1231
01:20:40,079 --> 01:20:40,560
same thing.

1232
01:20:42,760 --> 01:20:45,760
Speaker 5: What do you think that this is getting us ready for?

1233
01:20:46,000 --> 01:20:48,000
And I guess what is the purpose of your book?

1234
01:20:48,039 --> 01:20:50,000
Do you think that this is getting people ready for

1235
01:20:50,560 --> 01:20:54,039
disclosure that's going to happen, whether it's from our government

1236
01:20:54,239 --> 01:20:59,119
or just from the skies. Ah, yes, good to give people.

1237
01:21:00,199 --> 01:21:05,159
Speaker 3: That's a good distinction. I think if we're thinking about

1238
01:21:05,279 --> 01:21:12,479
disclosure from human authorities, disclosure is always blended with cover up.

1239
01:21:13,159 --> 01:21:17,039
You know, if a document is declassified, that's great. What

1240
01:21:17,279 --> 01:21:20,479
was the document that wasn't declassified? Or if a document

1241
01:21:20,600 --> 01:21:23,560
is declassified, great can I read the redacted bits? There's

1242
01:21:23,600 --> 01:21:27,399
always a blend that happens in these moments of disclosure,

1243
01:21:27,880 --> 01:21:31,680
and I think some of the reasoning behind the soft

1244
01:21:31,720 --> 01:21:34,199
disclosure we're in now where we've got a number of

1245
01:21:35,119 --> 01:21:40,119
senior figures like Haymashed speaking about these things, maybe as

1246
01:21:40,159 --> 01:21:44,600
a kind of insurance policy against disclosure coming from non

1247
01:21:44,720 --> 01:21:49,479
human authorities that if suddenly it becomes blindingly obvious, we've

1248
01:21:49,520 --> 01:21:52,880
got company. The government can say, oh, don't you remember

1249
01:21:52,960 --> 01:21:55,439
we told you this, Remember the Senate briefings. They'll say,

1250
01:21:55,439 --> 01:21:57,439
in a few months time, we told you this was

1251
01:21:57,520 --> 01:22:00,439
the case. And it's sort of as an insurance measure

1252
01:22:00,960 --> 01:22:04,279
rather than will come clean, We'll tell you everything we know.

1253
01:22:05,359 --> 01:22:09,199
So I don't know if I put it as strongly

1254
01:22:09,319 --> 01:22:12,960
as getting us ready. I think having some kind of

1255
01:22:13,960 --> 01:22:17,960
safety net for if the news comes out, I think

1256
01:22:18,079 --> 01:22:20,920
that's more where we're at in my opinion.

1257
01:22:22,399 --> 01:22:26,760
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm with you. We have a question here from

1258
01:22:26,960 --> 01:22:30,840
Adam starcit Bay, and he wants to know what are

1259
01:22:30,880 --> 01:22:35,119
your ideas or findings about the many mysteries of Antarctica.

1260
01:22:35,640 --> 01:22:37,600
Many people who come on here, especially when we're talking

1261
01:22:37,600 --> 01:22:41,119
about flat Earth. All the flat Earth guys are like Antarctica.

1262
01:22:41,239 --> 01:22:44,680
All signs point to this ice wall that we cannot

1263
01:22:44,720 --> 01:22:49,840
get past whatever in Antarctica that is another alien civilization

1264
01:22:50,279 --> 01:22:52,920
on that side. But what are your findings and does

1265
01:22:52,960 --> 01:22:54,119
that stick out to you at all.

1266
01:22:56,960 --> 01:23:01,520
Speaker 3: It is fascinating. It's not a topic I've really delved

1267
01:23:01,640 --> 01:23:05,720
into at this point, but there are certain reasons to

1268
01:23:05,880 --> 01:23:10,600
do that, not least Admiral birds testimony from all those

1269
01:23:10,720 --> 01:23:15,479
decades ago, not least the no go areas that exists.

1270
01:23:16,319 --> 01:23:19,479
I strongly suspect we are looking at a presence there,

1271
01:23:20,000 --> 01:23:26,119
that we're looking at current technology and buried technology. I

1272
01:23:26,279 --> 01:23:30,279
think that there is a rich vein to be studied

1273
01:23:30,439 --> 01:23:33,840
in Antarctica. I've not yet done that study myself, so

1274
01:23:33,920 --> 01:23:36,800
I can't really speak to it. I just say, yeah,

1275
01:23:36,920 --> 01:23:40,199
keep looking in that direction because there's stuff going on there.

1276
01:23:41,840 --> 01:23:43,239
Speaker 5: What do you think let's just go out on a

1277
01:23:43,279 --> 01:23:45,600
limb just here at the end of the show. What

1278
01:23:45,720 --> 01:23:51,199
do you think our craziest technology that we have right

1279
01:23:51,279 --> 01:23:53,119
now the government has on the planet. What do you

1280
01:23:53,159 --> 01:23:54,520
think the craziest technology is.

1281
01:23:56,000 --> 01:24:01,199
Speaker 3: The craziest technology that we have? Well, I think that

1282
01:24:01,520 --> 01:24:07,439
part of our conversation with some of iet neighbors has

1283
01:24:07,760 --> 01:24:14,840
included a system of travel through the cosmos that is

1284
01:24:15,359 --> 01:24:24,159
connected to consciousness. If you watch the science fiction, we're

1285
01:24:24,319 --> 01:24:27,520
at a point now where the ships turn up like that,

1286
01:24:27,680 --> 01:24:31,319
they just pop into this bit of space. And I

1287
01:24:31,479 --> 01:24:36,479
mentioned science fiction because privileged information has a way of

1288
01:24:36,640 --> 01:24:43,079
leaking into filmmaking and storytelling. And so if you've seen

1289
01:24:44,000 --> 01:24:47,840
in Star Wars or Star Trek ships popping into space,

1290
01:24:48,399 --> 01:24:53,239
well that actually reflects what some of our military have reported.

1291
01:24:53,920 --> 01:24:58,239
I think that phenomenon has to do with travel through

1292
01:24:58,359 --> 01:25:04,000
space or through subspace. Might call it. That has connected

1293
01:25:04,159 --> 01:25:12,239
consciousness with technology. And when you listen to our naval personnel,

1294
01:25:12,319 --> 01:25:14,960
our Air Force personnel talking about how some of these

1295
01:25:15,079 --> 01:25:18,840
UAPs maneuver, they say they're moving like their animals, Like

1296
01:25:18,960 --> 01:25:21,960
you're looking at a conscious thing rather than a craft

1297
01:25:22,119 --> 01:25:28,439
that's being piloted. So I say collaboration because I wouldn't

1298
01:25:29,159 --> 01:25:32,079
go as far to say we have that technology. I

1299
01:25:32,159 --> 01:25:35,239
think our friends have that technology, and we've been with

1300
01:25:35,439 --> 01:25:38,560
them when it's been deployed. And maybe some of our

1301
01:25:38,640 --> 01:25:42,239
ancients when they talk about being taken into another region

1302
01:25:42,319 --> 01:25:45,680
of space, they're talking about that kind of thing. So

1303
01:25:45,920 --> 01:25:49,600
I find that very very interesting. I think the moment

1304
01:25:49,760 --> 01:25:53,439
you get into the role of consciousness in material phenomena

1305
01:25:54,159 --> 01:25:59,439
start joining the dots from some contemporary quantum research. Listen

1306
01:25:59,479 --> 01:26:02,159
to our ancestors when they took the celts talk about

1307
01:26:02,199 --> 01:26:06,600
the seether or Aboriginal Australians talk about dream time. I

1308
01:26:06,720 --> 01:26:10,880
think we're in that territory where consciousness can actually achieve

1309
01:26:11,000 --> 01:26:15,319
real physical travel. So I think that's the most mind bending.

1310
01:26:16,079 --> 01:26:22,640
At the mechanical end, I think we have anti gravitic travel,

1311
01:26:23,640 --> 01:26:27,600
and I think maybe some of the UAPs are UFOs

1312
01:26:27,640 --> 01:26:31,520
that have been viewed are part of that experimentation process

1313
01:26:31,760 --> 01:26:35,159
by us. So I think we've got at least those

1314
01:26:35,239 --> 01:26:37,560
two things, which is amazing enough.

1315
01:26:39,600 --> 01:26:43,760
Speaker 5: Yeah, the advanced technology, and then we're talking about consciousness

1316
01:26:43,840 --> 01:26:48,880
and how the technology is connected to our consciousness or

1317
01:26:49,000 --> 01:26:53,479
our consciousness is the advanced technology? Yes, being able to

1318
01:26:53,640 --> 01:26:57,199
manifest and see some pretty interesting things at will that

1319
01:26:57,359 --> 01:27:00,239
for some people are getting faster and faster in order

1320
01:27:00,319 --> 01:27:04,600
to manifest things within their life or even UFO contact.

1321
01:27:05,479 --> 01:27:10,119
Whatever these things are, our gods, our ancestors, a future

1322
01:27:10,199 --> 01:27:12,920
version of ourselves, your higher self. There's a lot of

1323
01:27:12,920 --> 01:27:16,199
different explanations that people. You know, whatever is out there,

1324
01:27:16,680 --> 01:27:21,000
a lot of it is connected to your thoughts and

1325
01:27:21,119 --> 01:27:25,520
they respond and show up and wink at your thoughts.

1326
01:27:25,560 --> 01:27:28,960
It's very very interesting whether we're creating it and it's

1327
01:27:29,039 --> 01:27:33,640
showing itself in our reality as we ask for it

1328
01:27:33,800 --> 01:27:36,279
as we look for it, just like manifestation with the

1329
01:27:36,359 --> 01:27:39,800
law of attraction, whatever you look for shows itself to you. Well,

1330
01:27:39,880 --> 01:27:43,560
let's step into the universe with space, alien ancestors. Are

1331
01:27:43,600 --> 01:27:47,199
you there with the vastness of space and time and

1332
01:27:47,399 --> 01:27:51,520
history on some timeline, it's out there. Well, can you

1333
01:27:51,680 --> 01:27:55,399
say hello? Can you show yourself to us? And we're

1334
01:27:55,640 --> 01:27:58,840
seeing some really, really really interesting things. When it comes

1335
01:27:59,279 --> 01:28:03,680
down the lines of synchronicities and and deja vus and

1336
01:28:03,800 --> 01:28:10,199
the matrix and all of that, consciousness is more explorative

1337
01:28:10,520 --> 01:28:15,359
and you know, we can shape our reality through our

1338
01:28:15,479 --> 01:28:18,880
thoughts and how real it is. It is very, very,

1339
01:28:19,239 --> 01:28:25,199
very interesting, and we are pioneering that individually people can

1340
01:28:25,239 --> 01:28:27,920
explore that on their own, without any schooling, even without

1341
01:28:27,960 --> 01:28:31,520
any train without any training, doing your own inner work

1342
01:28:31,560 --> 01:28:35,920
and just the spirit of expectancy placebo if you will,

1343
01:28:36,319 --> 01:28:40,319
and be able to manifest whatever kind of spiritual, supernatural

1344
01:28:40,920 --> 01:28:44,600
or your reality that you're trying to weave.

1345
01:28:45,880 --> 01:28:48,399
Speaker 3: I agree, I agree everything you've just said. And I

1346
01:28:48,520 --> 01:28:51,800
think one of the most freeing skills to develop in

1347
01:28:52,000 --> 01:28:55,640
a personal exploration is to learn to ask the universe

1348
01:28:55,760 --> 01:29:02,439
your questions, ask the universe your questions and expect an answer,

1349
01:29:03,079 --> 01:29:06,199
and I'm finding that the more I ask, the more

1350
01:29:06,239 --> 01:29:09,279
I see. Didn't Jesus say that it's the asking one

1351
01:29:09,319 --> 01:29:09,920
he receives.

1352
01:29:11,039 --> 01:29:15,600
Speaker 5: Yeah, Yeah, that's it. You have not because you asked,

1353
01:29:15,640 --> 01:29:18,239
if you ask now, And that is a universal truth.

1354
01:29:18,960 --> 01:29:20,640
And I don't think he made that up. I think

1355
01:29:20,680 --> 01:29:23,880
that that was even around hundreds, if not thousands of

1356
01:29:24,000 --> 01:29:26,680
years before we've got that story. But it is a

1357
01:29:26,800 --> 01:29:30,840
truth that echoes throughout eternity. Paul, what what's next?

1358
01:29:30,920 --> 01:29:31,079
Speaker 3: Man?

1359
01:29:31,560 --> 01:29:33,800
Speaker 5: What do you what do you see coming down the pipeline?

1360
01:29:34,880 --> 01:29:37,439
Speaker 3: Well, right now I'm in the thick of launching The

1361
01:29:37,560 --> 01:29:42,640
Scars of Eden, so heaps of conversations, interviews, summits, conferences.

1362
01:29:43,319 --> 01:29:46,159
Hopefully we're both going to be at Holy Grail Multiverse

1363
01:29:46,479 --> 01:29:49,760
in November at Palm Springs, which I'm really looking forward to.

1364
01:29:50,880 --> 01:29:54,760
I reckon if I if I know my own rhythms right,

1365
01:29:54,840 --> 01:29:56,840
it'll be July that I'll be sitting down to begin

1366
01:29:56,960 --> 01:29:59,640
working on the sequel of the Scars of Eden. And

1367
01:30:00,560 --> 01:30:03,199
for that book, I'm delving into the question of what

1368
01:30:03,760 --> 01:30:08,560
other knowledge was buried along with our ancestors knowledge of

1369
01:30:08,600 --> 01:30:12,119
et contact, and in particular, I want to sit at

1370
01:30:12,159 --> 01:30:17,319
the feet of some of our elders of indigenous traditions,

1371
01:30:18,119 --> 01:30:21,039
and the white rabbits I'm following are people who've gone

1372
01:30:21,079 --> 01:30:27,119
through traditional initiation in African tribal cultures who get those

1373
01:30:27,239 --> 01:30:31,680
questions answered for them at that point. Native American story

1374
01:30:31,920 --> 01:30:34,960
is rich with answers about our place in the cosmos.

1375
01:30:35,239 --> 01:30:39,600
I'm going to go there, Aboriginal Australian the same. I'm

1376
01:30:39,640 --> 01:30:42,520
going to go there, and I have a particular connection

1377
01:30:42,920 --> 01:30:45,800
with the Philippines, and I'm going to go there and

1378
01:30:46,479 --> 01:30:51,760
listen to what our ancestors have known, have curated the

1379
01:30:51,920 --> 01:30:55,520
knowledge that survived all the burnings and bannings, and then

1380
01:30:55,680 --> 01:30:59,800
looking at the evidences again in contemporary science and through

1381
01:31:00,119 --> 01:31:03,760
history that corroborate what our ancestors have to say.

1382
01:31:05,720 --> 01:31:09,560
Speaker 5: When you meet those people, you'll find that there's an

1383
01:31:09,640 --> 01:31:16,000
inner knowing that we both know something that we haven't

1384
01:31:16,239 --> 01:31:21,760
talked about or haven't been privy to articulate with the

1385
01:31:21,880 --> 01:31:25,079
modern world. It's a very beautiful experience to sit with

1386
01:31:25,199 --> 01:31:28,199
the elders who keep and hold those traditions, and I

1387
01:31:28,279 --> 01:31:31,560
do think that many of them now are open to

1388
01:31:31,760 --> 01:31:37,439
share with seekers because of yes, a lot of that,

1389
01:31:37,600 --> 01:31:40,640
a lot of that knowledge is dying, whether it's being attacked,

1390
01:31:41,119 --> 01:31:43,960
whether it's being taken by forced and erased off of

1391
01:31:44,000 --> 01:31:45,720
the face of the earth, which we've seen time and

1392
01:31:45,800 --> 01:31:48,279
time again. We talked about it at the beginning, so

1393
01:31:48,399 --> 01:31:53,159
I think that those conversations are even more needed from

1394
01:31:53,239 --> 01:31:56,239
other people groups who want to learn about the Indigenous

1395
01:31:56,319 --> 01:32:01,000
ways and and how we receded here are spiritual and

1396
01:32:01,119 --> 01:32:06,399
you'll find again, like we said, releasing the exclusivity, seeing

1397
01:32:06,560 --> 01:32:10,039
that a lot of these stories match up. I remember

1398
01:32:10,119 --> 01:32:14,159
going to the Native American reservation here in Porch, Alabama

1399
01:32:14,319 --> 01:32:18,119
and meeting people, shaking their hand, some of the elder Natives,

1400
01:32:18,159 --> 01:32:20,079
and I can feel the energy, and there was just

1401
01:32:20,199 --> 01:32:23,159
this inner knowing, and I said, hey, tell me about

1402
01:32:23,159 --> 01:32:26,279
the Star people. Man, tell me about the Star people.

1403
01:32:26,359 --> 01:32:28,279
And they were Catholic, you know, they had kind of

1404
01:32:28,399 --> 01:32:30,680
renounced that kind of thing. I was just part of

1405
01:32:30,800 --> 01:32:34,960
what's what happened. But they still remember the stories and

1406
01:32:35,159 --> 01:32:37,279
traditions of their youth and they share them.

1407
01:32:38,159 --> 01:32:43,199
Speaker 3: That's right, And I do believe that some of the

1408
01:32:43,279 --> 01:32:47,960
elders who carry these stories are seeing how desperately the

1409
01:32:48,119 --> 01:32:51,640
rest of us need the knowledge that they have curated,

1410
01:32:51,800 --> 01:32:54,000
and we're at a time where there is not only

1411
01:32:54,079 --> 01:32:58,319
the need, but I think a greater receptivity to go

1412
01:32:58,520 --> 01:33:01,680
back to people we've ignored and sit down and listen

1413
01:33:01,840 --> 01:33:03,399
and receive and be informed.

1414
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Speaker 5: Yeah, that's some beautiful people out there, Paul. Many blessings

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on your journey, man. I know we'll do more stuff together.

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01:33:10,600 --> 01:33:12,560
Really love what you're bringing to the table. Resonate with

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01:33:12,640 --> 01:33:14,920
your story, Resonate with your work. Thanks so much for

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01:33:15,000 --> 01:33:17,239
hanging out with me. Means the world. I know you're

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01:33:17,279 --> 01:33:21,439
busy and you get getting this good working word out there. Man,

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01:33:21,479 --> 01:33:23,119
thanks for hanging out with me. I really appreciate it.

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01:33:23,479 --> 01:33:25,600
Let people know where they can go to the best

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01:33:25,640 --> 01:33:27,760
place to go to to find out more about your work.

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01:33:27,840 --> 01:33:30,479
And you have a great body of work as well.

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01:33:30,520 --> 01:33:32,319
You have a lot that you bring to the table,

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01:33:32,439 --> 01:33:36,720
not just these books, but other programs and documentaries even

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01:33:36,840 --> 01:33:38,439
and all of those things. Let people know where they

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01:33:38,439 --> 01:33:39,439
can go to get involved.

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Speaker 3: Sure. Well, for The Scars of Eden, which is my

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01:33:42,840 --> 01:33:45,920
latest book, you can go anywhere books are sold Amazon, Kindle,

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Hive Book Depository, Barnes and Noble, and you can get

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01:33:49,199 --> 01:33:51,239
your copy there. And if you'd like to get into

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01:33:51,279 --> 01:33:54,960
conversation with me go to the Fifth Kind TV on

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01:33:55,159 --> 01:33:59,039
YouTube or the Paul Wallace channel on YouTube, and I'm

1434
01:33:59,159 --> 01:34:02,760
always in the comments every day. I'm there having conversations

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01:34:02,840 --> 01:34:06,479
with people, comparing notes, and to keep up with everything

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01:34:06,560 --> 01:34:09,319
I'm doing, go to my website which is Paul Anthony

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01:34:09,399 --> 01:34:13,199
Wallace dot com Anthony with an H. Wallace w A

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01:34:13,399 --> 01:34:15,960
L L I S. Paul Anthony Wallace dot com and

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01:34:16,079 --> 01:34:18,920
you can keep up with the documentaries, the books and

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01:34:19,000 --> 01:34:21,239
everything else the research that I'm doing.

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01:34:22,239 --> 01:34:27,039
Speaker 5: And Paul, you cover a lot of topics again, spirituality, Jesus, history, religion,

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01:34:27,079 --> 01:34:28,920
all of those things. You tie it all back in.

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01:34:29,520 --> 01:34:33,039
But there's something about your UFO, your alien work that

1444
01:34:33,479 --> 01:34:35,319
seems to be of interest of people. A lot of

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01:34:35,359 --> 01:34:38,199
your videos are in the millions of views. Now, is

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01:34:38,239 --> 01:34:40,199
that something that you've seen that there was an interest

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01:34:40,279 --> 01:34:42,600
in and you just wanted to double down on what

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01:34:42,720 --> 01:34:45,239
the people were interested in researching?

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01:34:46,960 --> 01:34:52,680
Speaker 3: No, it's more me following my nose and my passion

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01:34:52,880 --> 01:34:55,159
and the things I'm finding out and joining the dots

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01:34:55,720 --> 01:34:58,600
and happily finding that a lot of people want to

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01:34:58,640 --> 01:35:00,520
share that journey for sure.

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01:35:00,640 --> 01:35:04,479
Speaker 5: For sure, Man, Hey appreciate it. Man, you got good content,

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01:35:04,600 --> 01:35:09,119
good work. I'm a subscribe connected.

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01:35:10,039 --> 01:35:12,159
Speaker 3: I love what you're doing and I'm really looking forward

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01:35:12,159 --> 01:35:13,439
to our next conversation too.

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Speaker 5: For sure, we'll we'll find another topic and uh and

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01:35:16,319 --> 01:35:19,279
we'll we'll get down a rabbit hole. Brother, I appreciate it. Man,

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01:35:19,439 --> 01:35:26,000
many blessings, brood, peace, salone, the good night. He's uh

1460
01:35:26,239 --> 01:35:30,199
in Australia, it's mourning for him. So anyway, uh, man,

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01:35:30,199 --> 01:35:32,439
I hope you guys enjoyed that episode. I really did.

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01:35:32,520 --> 01:35:36,960
Paul Wallace is amazing and this subject can be taboo

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01:35:37,000 --> 01:35:39,520
for for many people. It could be scary. Again. I

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01:35:39,720 --> 01:35:42,640
know people early on when I was getting into a

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01:35:42,720 --> 01:35:46,399
lot of this stuff who were afraid and and the

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01:35:46,760 --> 01:35:50,279
notion of ets and aliens that that they really believed in.

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01:35:51,680 --> 01:35:53,800
But how does it How do I reconcile it with

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01:35:53,960 --> 01:35:56,880
my faith? And so that's the biggest question because for

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01:35:57,039 --> 01:36:01,479
many people, it undoes everything that they've been told, everything

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that they've studied, all of their religious experience and religious

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01:36:05,520 --> 01:36:11,079
encounter with the divine. Was it merely chalked up to

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space aliens, you know? And so that was very detrimental

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01:36:14,680 --> 01:36:17,199
for a lot of people to wrap their head around.

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01:36:17,319 --> 01:36:21,359
And for some people it really messes up their faith.

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01:36:21,479 --> 01:36:26,000
For me, it had quite the opposite, because it wasn't detrimental,

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01:36:26,079 --> 01:36:28,399
It didn't question my faith. It made me believe that

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01:36:28,520 --> 01:36:32,520
it was something more real, that there are portals between

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01:36:32,600 --> 01:36:36,720
heaven and Earth, and that the angels, the messengers, the

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01:36:36,800 --> 01:36:42,039
benehai Elohem, the watchers, all of these, these seraphim, the Rapayen,

1480
01:36:42,840 --> 01:36:45,479
the Cherubim, all of these angels that are traveling back

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01:36:45,560 --> 01:36:48,960
and forth from Heaven to Earth. Like the Bible says,

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01:36:49,199 --> 01:36:53,039
and like all the other books of antiquity say, whether

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01:36:53,159 --> 01:36:56,760
you can go out under the night sky and with

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01:36:56,840 --> 01:36:59,920
an open mind and an open heart, you can see

1485
01:37:00,079 --> 01:37:03,279
these travels. Now you may not. You may have to

1486
01:37:03,319 --> 01:37:07,079
spend more than five to fifteen minutes, you may have

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01:37:07,159 --> 01:37:11,039
to spend seven hours. But how bad do you want it?

1488
01:37:11,640 --> 01:37:15,199
I wanted it bad. Stayed out there hours every day,

1489
01:37:15,279 --> 01:37:17,520
every day, every day much as I could, looking up

1490
01:37:17,760 --> 01:37:23,079
all the time, driving, looking up, stargazing, listen. It made

1491
01:37:23,239 --> 01:37:28,560
everything more real to me that there were entities, that

1492
01:37:28,640 --> 01:37:34,920
there were angels carrying messages, carrying essences. The angels themselves

1493
01:37:35,119 --> 01:37:40,079
are in essence, and essence is a message. The Bible

1494
01:37:40,199 --> 01:37:44,319
is full of this genesis. The revelation, and it made

1495
01:37:44,359 --> 01:37:47,560
it more real to me, and so that's why I

1496
01:37:47,640 --> 01:37:50,239
study it. It is definitely a part of my faith

1497
01:37:51,079 --> 01:37:54,239
and it's the very real part. With that, I'm gonna

1498
01:37:54,239 --> 01:37:56,359
say piece and shalom. Thank you guys for hanging out.

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01:37:56,720 --> 01:37:59,000
Make sure you check out Paul Paul's work. Go to

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01:37:59,079 --> 01:38:01,960
this website. You have amazing videos. He does a great

1501
01:38:02,000 --> 01:38:06,000
job at what he does, and check him out. Also,

1502
01:38:06,119 --> 01:38:08,399
if you have not subscribed to my channel, make sure

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1504
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01:38:13,680 --> 01:38:15,239
out my book. If you haven't had a chance to

1506
01:38:15,319 --> 01:38:19,560
check out my book, Spirit, realm Angels, Demon Spirits, and

1507
01:38:19,600 --> 01:38:23,279
the Sovereignty of God. There's a chapter on aliens, There's

1508
01:38:23,319 --> 01:38:25,880
a chapter on UFO. There is a chapter on my

1509
01:38:26,600 --> 01:38:29,800
personal experiences with the elementals and with the angels and

1510
01:38:30,199 --> 01:38:33,640
with the demons, all of the entities that I've encountered.

1511
01:38:34,039 --> 01:38:36,520
So go check that book out. If you don't have

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01:38:36,640 --> 01:38:39,159
money to get it on Amazon, you can actually download

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the audible version for free by visiting truthseeka dot com.

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01:38:44,319 --> 01:38:46,840
The link is there. If you go to that website,

1515
01:38:46,920 --> 01:38:49,399
you can click on the link that will send you

1516
01:38:49,680 --> 01:38:52,720
to the free audible version and you can actually hear

1517
01:38:52,800 --> 01:38:56,479
me read it to you for four and a half hours. Also, last,

1518
01:38:56,600 --> 01:38:58,680
but not least, you know, we have our Patreon those

1519
01:38:58,680 --> 01:39:00,359
of you who want to support my work what I'm

1520
01:39:00,359 --> 01:39:05,199
doing there. Something more inclusive is the Mystic Circle. The

1521
01:39:05,439 --> 01:39:09,880
Mystic Circle dot net. We do monthly webinars and we

1522
01:39:09,960 --> 01:39:13,279
got one coming up with Miss Corinne Grillo and she's

1523
01:39:13,359 --> 01:39:16,920
gonna be talking about how to get direct answers from

1524
01:39:17,239 --> 01:39:20,359
your angels. That's going to be on the twenty seventh

1525
01:39:20,479 --> 01:39:24,760
of this month. There's also past webinars and things that

1526
01:39:24,880 --> 01:39:29,079
we've done there that are It's a membership only platform

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1531
01:39:42,000 --> 01:39:45,359
check it out the Mystic Circle dot net. These webinars

1532
01:39:45,399 --> 01:39:48,319
have been amazing. I love them. Can't come soon enough,

1533
01:39:48,880 --> 01:39:50,960
but check it out the Mystic Circle dot net. Love

1534
01:39:51,000 --> 01:39:53,359
you guys. I'm gonna say peace in shalom. I'm true

1535
01:39:53,399 --> 01:39:55,159
Siga and thanks for hanging out with me.

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01:39:55,640 --> 01:40:09,079
Speaker 4: Peace much so much, so much, so much, Well, that

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01:40:09,199 --> 01:40:10,279
does it for this episode.

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01:40:10,319 --> 01:40:10,640
Speaker 2: Folks.

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