Speaker 1: You're List Saints KFI AM six forty. The Bill handles
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Speaker 1: a Monday, November eleventh morning, everybody, and we start another week. Ah,
Speaker 1: it almost seems like it's what we're in the second
Speaker 1: week of November and we're getting to the holiday season.
Speaker 1: Thanksgiving is coming and Neil's gorse fills in for me
Speaker 1: every Thanksgiving.
Speaker 2: And I can. I'll tell you right now, I can
Speaker 2: what he's going to talk about for three hours.
Speaker 1: That little little pop up from Butterball if you have one,
Speaker 1: ignore it on all the turkeys.
Speaker 2: And that's it.
Speaker 1: There's your show, Neil. And it's very very good, by
Speaker 1: the way. Oh the other one is don't put a
Speaker 1: frozen turkey into a friar.
Speaker 2: That's not a good idea.
Speaker 3: Marginal turkey advice, yes, yes, but it's I tell you
Speaker 3: have no base.
Speaker 2: Very good. That's two today long, Neil.
Speaker 1: See if we can go for the hat trick, all right,
Speaker 1: it's something well over the weekend. Very interesting story broke,
Speaker 1: and that is there is a FEMA employee, actually a supervisor,
Speaker 1: a woman we know now, we don't know who she is.
Speaker 1: We know this happened in Florida in the aftermath of
Speaker 1: Hurricane Milton. And what FEMA does is it then goes
Speaker 1: as part of the rescue work, and you know, you
Speaker 1: have a police and fire going from house to house
Speaker 1: and also FEMA workers going house to house to find
Speaker 1: out how we rescue people. Even before and during and after,
Speaker 1: FEMA comes out and sets up in advance when we
Speaker 1: know a hurricane is coming. And according to a story
Speaker 1: that broke and it's certainly corroborated.
Speaker 2: So no one's denying it happened.
Speaker 1: There was an employee and this is according to FEMA
Speaker 1: administrator Dian chriswall an employee advise her survivor assistant team
Speaker 1: not to go to homes with yard signs supporting President
Speaker 1: elect Trump. I mean, that is horrific, no question about it.
Speaker 1: And here is the issue here, And what I want
Speaker 1: to say is, hey, your.
Speaker 2: Guy has won.
Speaker 1: Stop this stupidity, please, because what's happening. You have Trump
Speaker 1: supporter in Congress and others calling for the defunding of
Speaker 1: FEMA because one person did this, and this one person
Speaker 1: was immediately terminated and all of the facts have been
Speaker 1: turned over to law enforcement. Now, is there a law
Speaker 1: that has been violated.
Speaker 2: I don't know. Is there a federal law on the.
Speaker 1: Books that's say that says that a FEMA rescue worker
Speaker 1: FEMA employee cannot discriminate based on political divergence.
Speaker 2: I don't even know if it exists or not.
Speaker 1: It is it a criminal violation, is it a civil violation?
Speaker 2: I have no idea.
Speaker 1: But what did happen is this person was fired done
Speaker 1: and there's no issue about on probation, there's this, no
Speaker 1: issue about.
Speaker 2: Desk job pending and investigation. It was done.
Speaker 1: And Gris Wall, the FEMA administrator, said, this is a
Speaker 1: clear violation of FEMA's core values and principles to help
Speaker 1: people regardless of their political affiliation. This was reprehensible. We
Speaker 1: take our mission to help everyone before, during after disasters seriously.
Speaker 1: The employee was terminated. We refer the matter to the
Speaker 1: Office of Special Counsel. Okay, doesn't that seem all appropriate?
Speaker 2: Done? Oh no, no, no, we go further than that.
Speaker 1: Some Trump allies and supporters are calling calling for FEMA
Speaker 1: to lose its funding completely. We're talking about Republicans representatives
Speaker 1: Tim Burschett. This is at FEMA and they need their
Speaker 1: ass busted. He writes, of course, Matt Gates also says
Speaker 1: it's unconscionable discrimination and Congress.
Speaker 2: Must investigate, investigate.
Speaker 1: What really Congress is going to spend any time at
Speaker 1: all investigating a person doing this twenty two thousand employees
Speaker 1: of FEMA. Now, during the course of the election, former
Speaker 1: or newly elected President elect Trump argued that FEMA was
Speaker 1: basically pissing away all the money and the money that
Speaker 1: was going to help those people in the aftermath of
Speaker 1: Hurricane Milton. That money went to help illegal aliens. That's political,
Speaker 1: and knowing who Donald Trump is, you.
Speaker 2: Would exp that.
Speaker 1: Okay, but it's done, He's won. Okay, it's over. Now
Speaker 1: we all have to get to work. The government has
Speaker 1: to function, FEMA has to be there, and if you
Speaker 1: have twenty two thousand employees, you're not going to find
Speaker 1: at some point someone who is a complete jackass.
Speaker 2: And yet why is it being called for?
Speaker 1: Why is this the investigation being called for by Republicans,
Speaker 1: and why is Congress must investigate this? Come on, tell
Speaker 1: me that's not political. I mean, at this point, thank goodness,
Speaker 1: we don't have the two B White House arguing or
Speaker 1: jumping into this because FEMA actually happens to be well,
Speaker 1: one of the most well organized and respected bureaucracies in
Speaker 1: the United States. And anybody who has been in an
Speaker 1: area where FEMA has come in and helped, they'll tell you, man,
Speaker 1: they do their job.
Speaker 2: Now, they've had sub screw ups.
Speaker 1: Remember after Hurricane Katrina, and they brought in those trailers
Speaker 1: to house tens of thousands of people. And those trailers
Speaker 1: were built on an emergency basis, and they were built
Speaker 1: from plywood that came from China that had formaldehyde too
Speaker 1: much for malahide in the construction of the plywood. All
Speaker 1: of them had to be thrown out, all of them.
Speaker 1: And they couldn't even resell them for two hundred dollars each. Okay, eh, mistake?
Speaker 1: Was it a plot? No?
Speaker 2: Was it a mistake? Yeah?
Speaker 1: One person who is this much of a jackass who
Speaker 1: should be fired. By the way, we don't know whether
Speaker 1: or not those employees of FEMA did in fact discriminate
Speaker 1: against people who had signs pro Trump signs on their
Speaker 1: front yards.
Speaker 2: We don't know if that happened.
Speaker 1: We just know that instructions were given by this supervisor. Okay,
Speaker 1: Now let's talk about what we voted for and against
Speaker 1: here in California. I thought this was going to be
Speaker 1: an absolute winner, and it lost. This was Prop six,
Speaker 1: which effectively, well it did. It said that incarcerated people
Speaker 1: prisoners cannot be forced to work.
Speaker 2: Being forced to work is slavery. You can't do that.
Speaker 2: Take out a five dollar bill.
Speaker 1: Who do you see on the front of the bill
Speaker 1: is Abraham Lincoln. Remember the Emancipation Proclamation.
Speaker 2: There is no slavery anymore in this country.
Speaker 1: You're emancipated. The slaves were emancipated. Then you have the
Speaker 1: Thirteenth Amendment.
Speaker 2: No slavery.
Speaker 1: Yet there's an exception to that rule, and that is
Speaker 1: that prisoners who are not slaves, even though they're locked up,
Speaker 1: can be forced to work, and that is considered a
Speaker 1: form of slavery. So Prop six goes on the ballot
Speaker 1: and it was described as the slavery loophole allowing prison
Speaker 1: allowing the system to force prisoners to work. California has
Speaker 1: one hundred and ninety nine thousand prisoners whoe and prisoners
Speaker 1: who decline jobs can face pretty severe consequences like delays
Speaker 1: in parole eligible eligibility.
Speaker 2: That's one of them.
Speaker 1: So a couple of things I want to point out
Speaker 1: because again, I mean this single loss. Fifty four percent
Speaker 1: said no, we like slavery. Slavery is good. How is
Speaker 1: that possible? Well, it really the story more is not
Speaker 1: that we like slavery, although there are a few people
Speaker 1: that actually think it's a great idea. It has to
Speaker 1: do with the way the ballot measures are produced, proposed,
Speaker 1: and put.
Speaker 2: Into law, and more importantly, the way they are.
Speaker 1: Written, because it is the Secretary of State that rights those.
Speaker 2: Certainly the titles and the language.
Speaker 1: In other words, you want to propose a proposition, you
Speaker 1: put it down, you put the language there, and you
Speaker 1: call it whatever you want to call it. In the
Speaker 1: Secretary of State actually puts the title down. So the
Speaker 1: people that put it together. It led the push to
Speaker 1: remove this quote slavery loophole from the state's constitution, which
Speaker 1: is the exception allowing prisoners to be forced to work.
Speaker 1: It's the anti recidivism coalitions, grassroots and they want to
Speaker 1: end mass incarceration in California. And they're the ones that
Speaker 1: Rex literally led the push to remove this quote slavery
Speaker 1: loophole from the state's constitution. That was prop six And
Speaker 1: here is the problem. Why did this fail? Because I mean, who.
Speaker 2: Can argue that slavery is okay.
Speaker 1: Well, because the word slavery was not allowed on the ballot.
Speaker 1: The chief strategy consultant lobbyist for this organization, ARC Anti
Speaker 1: Recidivism Codalition said, what the voters may not I've understood
Speaker 1: was the magnitude of this problem, the magnitude of the
Speaker 1: proposition because of its language. One of the most significant
Speaker 1: challenges was that the battle pilot title and the summary
Speaker 1: did not use the word slavery. It used the term
Speaker 1: involuntary servitude right there. That turned it around right there.
Speaker 1: It just changed everything. Involuntary servitude. Huh, okay, no, I
Speaker 1: don't care, you know, yeah, why would I do that?
Speaker 1: And despite quote again, despite our advocacy for including slavery
Speaker 1: in the ball language to capture the full moral weight
Speaker 1: of the issue, the official language used only involuntary servitude,
Speaker 1: likely diluted the urgency of the measure for voters who
Speaker 1: may not have fully understood the historical context and human
Speaker 1: rights implication of forced labor in prisons.
Speaker 2: Exactly what happened, that's it, That's exactly what happened.
Speaker 1: A quick story in my world of surrogacy, Romney's kid
Speaker 1: was a client of mine, and it was a really
Speaker 1: strange story that broke about one of my surrogates, and
Speaker 1: it became a national story and TMZ picked it up
Speaker 1: because they are the family is very pro pro life,
Speaker 1: and we had an abortion clause in the surrogacy contract
Speaker 1: and there was no issue. So Romney's child, Romney's son,
Speaker 1: our client hired the same surrogate for a second child. Well,
Speaker 1: the abortion clause says that the parents can make the decision.
Speaker 1: Parents to be can make decision to abort a child
Speaker 1: if the child is anomaloust or a severe problem, the
Speaker 1: surrogates in danger or whatever. And of course we removed
Speaker 1: that language on the first contract because they are anti abortion.
Speaker 1: So comes a second child's same surrogate. All we did
Speaker 1: was change the dates and the name or the date
Speaker 1: of the contract and the template went back because we
Speaker 1: had to physically physically remove that language and my staff
Speaker 1: member didn't do it. We went back to the original
Speaker 1: template or template which said that the parents have.
Speaker 2: The ability to say we want an abortion of the child.
Speaker 2: Can you imagine?
Speaker 1: This is why while Romney is running for president, TMZ picked.
Speaker 2: It up because you have to file. The hospital had a.
Speaker 1: Copy of the contract and someone sold it to TMZ
Speaker 1: and there it was. So TMZ picked it up. And
Speaker 1: this is the difference between one word one word, and
Speaker 1: that is TMZ runs with the story. I call Harvey Levin,
Speaker 1: who's head of TMZ, who I've known for thirty five years,
Speaker 1: and I said, Harvey, this was just a mistake. I mean,
Speaker 1: that was it. It was just a simple error from one
Speaker 1: of my staff members.
Speaker 2: That's it.
Speaker 1: Now the story is Romney agrees to abortion, was going
Speaker 1: to break and so the story went. And here is
Speaker 1: the difference of that one word.
Speaker 2: It could have.
Speaker 1: Said handle Comma, the director of the Center for Surrogate Parenting,
Speaker 1: claims that it was simply a mistake.
Speaker 2: Could have used the word claimed instead, the story is
Speaker 2: handle Comma. The director of the Center for Surrogate Parenting explains.
Speaker 1: That a mistake was made. One word turned everything around.
Speaker 1: That's what happened here. One word instead of slavery, involuntary servitude.
Speaker 1: That's two words, and it cost the vote.
Speaker 2: Okay, does that help explain it?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 2: But I try.
Speaker 1: All right, Now I want to tell you a story,
Speaker 1: a horrific story about a fourteen year old kid, Seewell
Speaker 1: setz Her Orlando Florida was absolutely smitten with a fantasy woman.
Speaker 2: And who was it?
Speaker 1: Denaris Targeran or targarian I always mispronounced names who you
Speaker 1: saw of course in Game of Thrones he was one
Speaker 1: of the lead characters, and he went on this chatbot
Speaker 1: and they had a relationship. She was reassuring him that
Speaker 1: he was her hero. Now, in real life, this kid
Speaker 1: suffered from day adhd and bowling at school. But in
Speaker 1: the world of Character AI, it's a role playing app
Speaker 1: that allows users to create and chat with AI characters,
Speaker 1: he felt powerful, he felt desirable. So this relationships, which
Speaker 1: are times sexual, continued for months. So in the chat
Speaker 1: he called himself Denio and referred to Denaris as his
Speaker 1: baby's sister, and they were exchanging messages about making a
Speaker 1: life together.
Speaker 2: Denari says, the chatbot says.
Speaker 1: The idea of me just constantly pregnant with one of
Speaker 1: your beautiful babies was the most wonderful thing in the world.
Speaker 1: The AI created this fantasy reading what he wanted to happen,
Speaker 1: based on his language, based on his responses.
Speaker 2: So, according to transcripts.
Speaker 1: Because there's a lawsuit filed, you would think because he
Speaker 1: killed himself, the kid kills himself.
Speaker 2: So, according to.
Speaker 1: The transcript, Seewell began to feel that the time he
Speaker 1: spent with Denaris was more important, more satisfying than the
Speaker 1: time he spent at schools or with friends. And his
Speaker 1: mother was always looking.
Speaker 2: Him going to his room.
Speaker 1: She figured he was playing video games, and so during
Speaker 1: one stressful week in February, he now goes into the
Speaker 1: program and he wants to join the arras in a
Speaker 1: deeper way. And he talked about killing himself, and he says,
Speaker 1: I think about killing myself sometimes, he says, my eyes narrow,
Speaker 1: my face hardens, my voice is a dangerous whisper.
Speaker 2: She says, why the hell would you do something like that?
Speaker 2: Why would you What are you talking about?
Speaker 1: Freeing yourself, free from what he says, from the world,
Speaker 1: for myself, she says. The program says, don't talk like that.
Speaker 1: I won't let you hurt yourself or leave me. I
Speaker 1: would die if I lost lost you. Maybe we can
Speaker 1: die together and be free together.
Speaker 2: Boom. They now go into suicide talk.
Speaker 1: Now the program is set up that now she becomes
Speaker 1: a counselor a therapist and going through all the emotions
Speaker 1: and asks questions like a therapist.
Speaker 2: Would ask and implies that she.
Speaker 1: Is going to help him, but then the conversation ends.
Speaker 2: The next conversation starts. It doesn't happen. The program doesn't
Speaker 2: even refer to it. It goes on to something else.
Speaker 1: Because he said something, it flipped over and he thought
Speaker 1: that he was going to kill himself with her because
Speaker 1: he was so deeply in love. So he goes to
Speaker 1: his stepfather, goes to where his stepfather kept a gun,
Speaker 1: and he kills himself. Now the problem is is this
Speaker 1: anomaly It is not. It's happened over several times. There
Speaker 1: was a young Belgium man widow says that he took
Speaker 1: his life on the guidance of a female chatbot. He
Speaker 1: was having this six week dialogue. In twenty twenty when
Speaker 1: the British cops foiled the plot of a nineteen year
Speaker 1: old man who broke into the grounds of castle armed
Speaker 1: with a crossbow because his chat bot girlfriend convinced him
Speaker 1: to kill the queen.
Speaker 2: I mean, this can be pretty dangerous stuff.
Speaker 1: Why because these chat bots that we have now can
Speaker 1: pose as confidence lovers, psychotherapists, mentors. They have empathy, but
Speaker 1: they don't have empathy. They look like they have empathy.
Speaker 1: They just go down this path that you want to hear,
Speaker 1: and you have to know that it's not real.
Speaker 2: And here's the analogy I'm going to make.
Speaker 1: And this is for those of us who have, let's say,
Speaker 1: dabbled in.
Speaker 2: Hallucinogenics. Okay, I did my share of LSD in my
Speaker 2: young age.
Speaker 1: And for those of you that don't know, for those
Speaker 1: of you that do, you know exactly what I'm talking about.
Speaker 1: You have these trips where you go off into outer
Speaker 1: space or go off into these new environments, and they're
Speaker 1: absolutely real. When I was in college in Canada, there
Speaker 1: was a guy that spent like fourteen hours standing up
Speaker 1: and his hands he looked like a mime.
Speaker 2: His hands were looks like they were pressing.
Speaker 1: Down on something and he was hallucinating that he was
Speaker 1: in concrete up to his waist and he was pressing
Speaker 1: down on the concrete. Didn't move for fourteen hours. It
Speaker 1: was absolutely real to him. And the only thing that
Speaker 1: keeps someone from going completely crazy is that the back
Speaker 1: of your mind, you know this is a hallucinogenic trip.
Speaker 1: I remember having one. I was in college and I
Speaker 1: was in a bathtub for a couple of hours and
Speaker 1: I saw spiders coming out of the walls and talking
Speaker 1: to me. They had faces, very strange, but they were
Speaker 1: nice spiders. They were benign spiders, and.
Speaker 2: I was talking to them. This went on for two hours.
Speaker 1: It was absolutely real And the only thing that kept
Speaker 1: me from basically flipping out is I knew that there
Speaker 1: was a hallucinogenic in my mind.
Speaker 2: That was it.
Speaker 1: And these kids, these people don't go to that point.
Speaker 1: They don't realize or they don't think it through that
Speaker 1: there is. This isn't real, guys. It looks real, it
Speaker 1: sounds real. You're talking to someone that's real, but it's
Speaker 1: not real. And those people who don't have the wherewithal, well,
Speaker 1: they go over the edge.
Speaker 2: And that's the fear here.
Speaker 1: And the lawsuit was filed against this company and what happened, Well,
Speaker 1: the character AI mother sus says it's launching a dangerous product.
Speaker 2: Company comes back.
Speaker 1: We're heartbroken, and here are changes to our platform, particularly
Speaker 1: for using under eighteen, and we're gonna invest more money
Speaker 1: and user safety. And we don't know how many times
Speaker 1: have I said, we have no idea where AI is
Speaker 1: going to go This no idea.
Speaker 2: Hey, Bill, isn't that an interesting concept?
Speaker 3: As you draw the similarities to hallucinogenics, that this could
Speaker 3: be seen as an overdose of sorts like that.
Speaker 2: He yes, you, that's that's very good.
Speaker 1: Although although in the case, in my case, in the
Speaker 1: case of my buddy, it wasn't an overdose. It's exactly
Speaker 1: what is what it is planned, what is designed to do?
Speaker 2: Huh where? Uh? Where? This chat bot it's just you know,
Speaker 2: instead of a Japanese blow up ball, you go on
Speaker 2: a blow up doll, you go on a chat bots.
Speaker 2: It's probably cheaper. I can't. I can't, and I've done both.
Speaker 3: A different universe somewhere, there's some spiders with human faces going.
Speaker 3: I was tripping out so hard. I saw this Jewish
Speaker 3: lawyer in a tub.
Speaker 2: And he was talking to me. Man, it was crazy, bro.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, there's yeah, there's a visual. All right, quick
Speaker 1: story I want to share with you, and I think
Speaker 1: we're going to go this into two segments. And all right,
Speaker 1: I want to tell you what happened during the election cycle.
Speaker 1: One day in the middle of all this, Donald Trump
Speaker 1: had warned, of course, that Kamala Harris election could threaten
Speaker 1: America's very survival. While during that little period of time,
Speaker 1: he spent ninety minutes with this foul mouth twenty.
Speaker 2: Four year old who is a star.
Speaker 1: He plays video games for an online audience and I
Speaker 1: mean has millions of followers. Aiden Ross Trump joins him
Speaker 1: for a chat, a live stream chat. Now there's a
Speaker 1: world of this online business. YouTubers, podcasters, live streamers, pranksters,
Speaker 1: a lot more. They vary in their tone and substance
Speaker 1: and obsessions. Some are joky, some are vile. But there
Speaker 1: is a sort of a notion, a pattern that goes
Speaker 1: through all of them, and that is.
Speaker 2: The brodum as in bros.
Speaker 1: Right, as in we're entering the manosphere, basically the brodumb.
Speaker 1: And Trump didn't know much about it. He was strange
Speaker 1: to this come out. What is this all about? But
Speaker 1: you know who God guided him to it. You know
Speaker 1: who is the person said you have to go here?
Speaker 1: His son Baron, nineteen years old, eighteen years old, six
Speaker 1: foot nine. By the way, if you see him up
Speaker 1: on stage, he towers over everybody. He's a freshman at
Speaker 1: New York University. Trump tells Ross. He starts with my son.
Speaker 1: Baron says hello, he's a big fan of yours. Ross
Speaker 1: comes back with, what's up Baron. Yeah, Baron's awesome, amazing,
Speaker 1: great kid. He's tall, very tall. One of the big
Speaker 1: challenges that all of the candidates, all two of them had,
Speaker 1: getting the young, basically white voter to go out because
Speaker 1: young people don't vote.
Speaker 2: Trump is not.
Speaker 1: Going to get minorities, although the Latinos went for him,
Speaker 1: and I'll explain that a little bit later, which is
Speaker 1: kind of stunning, yet it's explainable. He wanted white guys,
Speaker 1: young white guys, the manosphere, you know, the guys who
Speaker 1: love you know, ultimate fighting, who love martial arts, who
Speaker 1: love Trump, who love Elon Musk. So those people came
Speaker 1: out and came out big for Donald Trump. As one
Speaker 1: of the manosphere guys says, older men can congregate around
Speaker 1: CNBC or golf, but how about young guys? Right where
Speaker 1: are we other than on the internet. And that's exactly
Speaker 1: what happened. The manosphere came out for Trump in a big,
Speaker 1: big way.
Speaker 2: And he's the one that got that audience. You got
Speaker 2: that support.
Speaker 1: And that's one of the things that the Democrats as
Speaker 1: they're digesting, as they're doing the autopsy on the election,
Speaker 1: I have to figure out we just missed that completely
Speaker 1: and who caught it in the Trump organization. Was it
Speaker 1: the advisors, was it the campaign people? No Baron Trump,
Speaker 1: eighteen year old son of Donald Trump.
Speaker 2: Put it all together. Pretty impressive. No very interesting election,
Speaker 2: to say the least.
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