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in accordance with the laws of war. Secretary Hegseth authorized

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Admiral Bradley to conduct these kinetic strikes. Admiral Bradley worked

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Speaker 1: Welcome everybody, It's the Ricochet Podcast, Episode number seven hundred

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most stimulating conversations and community on the web period. I'm

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James Lylex here in cold and snowy Minnesota. Whereas instantly

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Christmasy and Stephen Hayward joins us from somewhere some booklined place,

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and Charles C. W. Cook in I imagine Florida, which

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probably I don't know who the tempts dipping down into

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the lower seventies or something. I don't want to hear

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about it. I hate you, gentlemen. How are you today?

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I'm good, warm, okay, thank you, thank you very much,

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warm warm. It was one below yesterday as I was

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walking the dog, and the dog did not want to

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have any of it. Frankly, So the thing where the

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dog does his business against a tree and you hear

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a snapping sound because his stream is frozen and he

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ties to disengage. But enough of that. I live here

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by choice, and so do a enowfull lot of other people,

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including Tim Waltz, who's our governor. Do you guys find

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it interesting somehow that all of the things that are

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being said now about Minnesota by everyone from the New

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York Times, Christopher Ruffo too. The President himself didn't seem

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to come up very much when he was a vice

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presidential Kennedy, why was that?

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Speaker 4: Well, I hope you're not suggesting, James that the American

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media is in some way biased toward one of the

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major political parties, and say suppresses or refuses to cover

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stories that it thinks might hurt that party.

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Speaker 1: No, I wouldn't say anything that's treason, that that's that's

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calumn near that I will not hear of such words

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spoken against my former profession. But it might actually be

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something that people consider suspect. Stephen were you. We keep

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being told that this story is being told. I mean

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everyone's been talking about the fraud, that the fraud has vetted,

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the fraud was baked into the cake. Everyone knew about it, did.

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Speaker 2: You, well, I did, only because you know my former

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writing partner power Line Scott Johnson has been reporting on

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this for several years, even attending most of the trials

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in the courtroom, which you know, not many other reporters

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are doing. I put this in a larger context. The

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latest issue of the New York Review of Books just

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landed in my mailbox. Now I read it so you

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don't have to. And it's good opposition research. And the

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lead review is of Kamala Harris's one hundred and seven Days,

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and it's absolutely savage. And this is not the first

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review from the left trashing Harris, and I think Waltz

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is now fair game too. I think Democrats want to

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demonize Biden, Harris and Waltz for their obvious mediocrity and worse,

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so it's to put them behind us. And so now

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it's open season on them because it's safe for them

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to do so, and maybe they think necessary.

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Speaker 1: What are the exact criticisms in remarks that they have

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to say about Harris. Are they critiquing the book for

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being banal and obvious and boring and yes, and unburdened

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by what was? Or are they actually going after the

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individual herself as being an insufficiently marvelous inspiration.

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Speaker 2: Well, they don't say that directly, that's certainly hinted at,

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and that she lacked courage certainly to push out Biden earlier,

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along with the rest of the party of leadership. By

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the way, it's a very broad gauge indictment of the

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sort of upper reaches of the Democratic Party, which, as

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I say these days, I like to read the left

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attacking Democrats with a bowl of popcorn handy because it's fun.

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Speaker 1: Person So this is all, however, water under the bridge.

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Tim Waltz isn't running for vice president again? Eyes will

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shift from Minnesota, or has the president's remarks on the

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Somali community here? Actually I don't know, lit a fire

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or rekindled a fire under the whole immigration, assimilation, et

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cetera debate to Charles, or is this just going to

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be something that is waved away, placed in context of

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previous waves of immigration? No reason to question our gorgeous mosaic,

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et cetera, et cetera, Which is my suspicion that it

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will all be generally forgotten here except here in Minnesota,

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where I think Wallves is going to have a little

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bit more difficulty than he thought.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I would be savaged by chext notes Mike Lindell.

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Speaker 1: Right, which is not going to happen. The GOP in

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Minnesota consistently puts up the strangest artist and most ineffective candidate.

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who I think could even make a bit of a

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hint of an inroad into into Minnesota. I mean Minneapolis,

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the metro area solidly blue, so blue, very blue. But

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beyond that the outstate, well we'll see once again, Yes,

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Minnesota focused the world and I hate it.

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Speaker 4: I think that they will try and sweep it under

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the rug. I think they are trying. One of the

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things that I have found the most annoying about this.

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Speaker 5: Is that.

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Speaker 4: While many of the Democrats who have criticized Trump's rhetoric

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have a point at the edge, that is to say,

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I don't want to hear a president describing people as garbage,

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and he has painted too broad a brush, I've heard

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none of them lead with this is a disgrace and

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a disservice to the taxpayers of Minnesota, and we're going

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to prosecute it because it's wrong.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, there's seventy seven people.

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Speaker 5: I know they have.

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Speaker 4: But what I'm saying is that it is all pushback

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against Trump, and that's the only part of the story

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they will not acknowledge Tina Smith, is that her name

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and Amy Klobasha and Tim Walls, they won't come out

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and say, yeah, this is really bad, and it is

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really bad. And the other part of it is they've

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adopted a standard here that they don't adopt in any

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other circumstance. So I obviously don't follow this as closely

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as you do, Jenn, because I don't live in Minnesota.

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But whenever I hear this general topic discussed, I hear

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this phrase the Somali community, and they always talk about

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it as if it is uniform. It is a thing

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to which politicians can ascribe other things or from which

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they can deduce things. The Somali community, How dare you,

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et cetera. But now they're all atomized individuals. You can't

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possibly generalife. We can't refer to the Somali community. That's

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an attack on the American idea. Well, okay, I'm open

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to that. I'm an individualist, but pick one. Don't in

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one circumstance say the Somali community thinks we must do

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this for this amount, and then in the other circumstance say, well,

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you can't refer to this assay Somali fraud ring, which

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it is. That's very annoying to me.

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Speaker 1: Yes, well we'll go back, go on.

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Speaker 2: So I think there's a second subtext at work here. Then,

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one reason they don't call it out, Charles, I think

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is at some point in the last fifteen years. I

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think it actually dates back to the aftermath of the

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financial crisis in two thousand and eight, the left decided

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that all these social welfare programs were airsats redistribution of wealth,

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and they severed the link between you know what we

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used to call either deserving poor or you know, people

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who were genuinely needed government assistants, which Democrats used to

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pay lip service to at least and sometimes actually took action,

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like Bill Clinton thirty years ago with welfare reform. And

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you started seeing after the Great Financial Crisis that the

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number of people on disability doubled. There weren't that many

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more disabil but this is a welfare program that people

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could apply to and we give them out. And we

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learned here during the government shutdown. I thought I kept

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up with these things, but I was shocked to learn

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that there are forty two million Americans on SNAP, which

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we used to call food stamps. And by the way,

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maybe the fact that it's now a card that you

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get and so you look like the next person with

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a credit card of the checkout line, instead of having

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to pull out those stamps out of your wallet, which

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you know, the ever sensitive leftists and social workers said

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stigmatize people who were on food stamps. Right, Well, you know,

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we have extraordinary numbers of people on all all these

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different public assistance programs, and I think for a lot

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of people on the left, you say fraud, and they

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don't think of it that way, because I think this

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is long overdue redistribution of wealth. It's not as direct

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as we might like with a wealth tax and all

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the rest, or you know, an official universal basic income,

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but it's so rough substitute, and they're all for it,

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and that's why they're uninterested in policing fraud. By the way,

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Minnesota is not the only state. We have a similar

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scale out. In California, going back several years now, unemployment

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claims during COVID and other COVID programs were massively oversubscribed

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in a fraudulent way that even some of the state

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auditors have flagged. And nothing's happened to anyone, as there's

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been no accountability for it.

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Speaker 1: Part of it, maybe you know, in the back of

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their heads, I think you're thinking, you're right, that it's redistribution,

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and that's necessary to get good, eat the rich, kill

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the billionaires. That's part of it. A little bit more

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in the forefront is the idea that we should not

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be too questioning of the people who are doing this

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and these organizations, because that would seem to be I

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don't know that would have a racialist aspect to it,

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so they're kind of squeamish about that. But the thing

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that strikes me over and over and over again is

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that Minnesota has been eating its seed corn for so

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long we've been throwing it in the microwave and dousing

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it with butter, forgetting that what this state had ever since, Well,

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trace it back however long you wish. But it's got

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that Scandinavian Nordic social welfare model where everybody contributes a

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high amount and is guaranteed of a sane, civil, sensible

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run society because there's high social trust, there's cohesion, there's

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cultural cohesion, and we're all part of that completely breaks

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down when you introduce into it people who just simply

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do not share that particular mindset it does. And you

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can't say that what we need cultural diversity on one hand,

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and then on the other hand to say, oh, but

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the other diverse cultures will regard this fountain of money,

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this corniacope of cash, the same way that the other

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previous Minnesotans do, because they won't. That's just not the

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basic culture from which they come. So yeah, yeah, and

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it won't change. It simply won't change because of the

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monolithic nature of the DFL and the people who will

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vote for it no matter what, because to vote for

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an R is to be Oswald Mosley. Yeah, well you

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mentioned a disability. One of the things that I found

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interesting this week is not just the people who claim

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disability in order to get the government benefits, but a

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study that showed that on several major prestigious US campus,

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twenty thirty forty percent at Stanford, I think of the

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students regard themselves as some form of disabled, and here

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it's a completely different thing. Here it is you know,

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the disabilities are more neurological in for more psychological or

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gender relator to the rest of it, and they're ending

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up having to craft these innumerable compensations and accommodations for

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people who basically are fine. But it's a badge now

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of your specialness to have one of these diverts, to

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have a disability, as it actually elevates you to some

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to a more exalted status, and between that and the

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government largest for claiming yourself to be so is not

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good anyway.

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Speaker 4: That's can I give a slightly more cynical take on that.

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Speaker 1: I would love it. I'm not exactly sure. I've been

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all rainbows and unicorns and happy pink past els, but

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go ahead now.

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Speaker 4: Well, I think that part of this, as you say,

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is that people want the badge because they think that

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it puts them in the special category. But I think

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a lot of it stems from the left's inability to

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understand the immutability of human nature. It's good old fashioned

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advantage seeking. It's people who are often from good and

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wealthy families, who have high ikes, who are in no

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way the types for which these programs or dispensations were

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set up, recognizing that their faculty and the bureaucracy around

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them are weak and pliable, and that if they say

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a bunch of magic words, then they can eke out

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a little more space between them and the next guy

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Speaker 4: The same sort of human conduct we would have expected

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two thousand years ago and ten thousand years ago.

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Speaker 1: If these things existed. There's probably a Sumerian stone at

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which somebody has hammered some hieroglyphs about how they are

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a broken leg and therefore are entitled to a crutch

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ricochet dot com or wherever you get your podcasts. Well,

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let's move on to something a little bit happier. Stranger

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Jay six Bomber. All of a sudden, All of a sudden,

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they got the guy. All of how that happened? Do

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you think that a fire was lit under some agencies

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or some new information suddenly surfaced? And is he? Is

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he who we thought he would be?

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Speaker 2: First of all, I think there is a legitimate question

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of why the FBI wasn't actively pursuing this case under Biden.

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I mean they were saying at the time that we

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think this is a sideshow. It was you know, hoax,

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It was not serious, and it turned out that it was.

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And apparently the investigation involved a lot of that old

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fashioned deep digging that the FBI can do. What I mean,

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they pay something like two hundred thousand transactions to trace,

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to try and ferret out this guy, you know, buying

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the parts to make these bombs. This guy wasn't like

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the unibomber who made his own screws. If you remember

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the way that guy made his bombs way back when,

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and so you wonder why that didn't happen, and I

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hope somebody asked that question of the of the previous

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FBI regime. But then the guy looks like and it's

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early yet, but he looks like he's kind of a nut.

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He's saying, I thought the election was stolen, and so

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he's gonna plant bombs outside both the r n C

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and d n C. H it's a bit strange. I

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think we're gonna find this guy as a nutcase. Yeah,

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and not part of a conspiracy, I'll put it that way.

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Speaker 1: But not an inspec I mean, but not you know,

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in that case that he thought odd things, but not

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an insane man, because if you can do all these

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things and get undetected, I reserve insanity for the people

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who are running naked with long hair through Times Square

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screaming about the demons that are clawing at them.

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Speaker 5: I mean that.

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Speaker 1: I don't say a guy who believes peculiar things is mad.

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He's just.

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Speaker 2: Well, when I say that, I didn't necessarily mean that

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in the usual psychological sense. But he's one of these

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persons who has odd, contradictory and unconventional views that don't

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make rational sense to a normal person.

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Speaker 1: Gerald, do you agree or did you think that he

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is been looking over his shoulder all of these years,

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wondering why these guys aren't coming for him or what.

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Speaker 4: Well, I assume he's been doing that. I do think

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it's possible to be crazy and then to latch on

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to political messages that you didn't rationally arrive at. And

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I often tried to draw that distinction when talking about

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people who commit crime. So there's the sort of person

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who says, well, I'm being controlled by my toaster, and

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then there's a sort of person who is crazy and

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then reads in the newspaper that a boat sank and

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becomes obsessed with that and decides that he did it.

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And you know, he's not a maritime expert. You wouldn't

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blame people who in boats. It just so happened that

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he came across that as an explanation. I don't think

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we know enough about this guy to know whether he

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was either of those, or the third category, which is

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the sane, if evil political actor who concluded that the

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election had been stolen and they tried to blow up

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the government. And there are people in that category.

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Speaker 1: They You're right, the early twentieth century, in the sixties

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and seventies abound with completely rational people who believed evil

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things who were content to bomb away. The people who

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bombed the you know, the the capital back in the days.

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They're not nuts and not crazy. They just believe this

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is the most efficacious way to make their point. I mean,

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you mentioned the unibomber for Remans as.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, he was.

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Speaker 4: Rational, and you know, the distinction you would draw, maybe

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is between the man who attacked the navy yard ten

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years ago, who thought that he was being controlled through

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the walls of his apartment by the government crazy and

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the man who killed Charlie Kirk, who I think was

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a political actor who decided to advance his political agenda

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with a murder. And I just don't know enough about

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this guy yet to decide which one he was.

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Speaker 1: Well, we'll find out elsewhere around the planet. We're having

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a big debate about whether Pete Higsseeth should go because

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they're double tapping the guys who are bringing the drugs in,

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and as we're informed, Venezuela is not bringing an awful

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lot of fentanyl in. These guys are probably bringing in

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something else like okaine. It's one of those those issues

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that had it been Obama, I tend to believe that

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we would be talking about the bold and decisive potesst

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steps that were being taken to keep Americans safe and healthy.

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But we're having a big debate about these guys because

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the New York Times, I think, ran a story about

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one of the other boats and took a look at

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the guys who were on it, and you know, they

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weren't really carteil guys. They were just you know, they

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loved soccer, They went to church and the rest of it,

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and just happened to find themselves in his boat bringing

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drugs into the country. Charles, I know that you are

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a stickler for such things, that even though something we

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may say good, good, blow them up. That you are

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one of the types who will, you know, differ and demure,

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so defer in demure away.

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Speaker 5: Because I love them.

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Speaker 4: I love Pedro. I love Pedro, the cocaine trafficker. I

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hate the US. I hate it some military. I want

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Javier and Pedro to succeed and to bring in as

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many dangerous and perhaps fatal drugs as they can.

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Speaker 5: And that's, as I've.

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Speaker 4: Learned this week, James, the only reason that anyone could

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possibly have any objections to this action. Now, look, I

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object to this for a couple of reasons. One, there

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is no congressional authorization for this action.

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Speaker 5: There's none.

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Speaker 4: There's no declaration of war, there's no authorization for the

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use of military force. It's not even a statute that

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in some tangential way provides the executive branch with the

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capacity to preemptively kill those it suspects suspects not proved

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suspects of drug running. I object to it because, while

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this is not always the case, those boats do not

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pose a threat to the US military. Thankfully, the US

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military is extremely competent and powerful and is entirely capable

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of stopping, boarding, and searching these boats without opening fire first.

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If those boats open fire on the US military, then

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blow them out of the water. But that isn't the case.

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This is not a threat, and I object to it

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because we are seeing the abuse of language here from

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the apologists in a way that usually and rightly upsets conservatives.

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We're seeing those drug traffickers described as terrorists. We're seeing

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cocaine described as chemical weapons.

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Speaker 5: These things are not true.

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Speaker 4: So I am not all jokes to the contrary, a

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fan of drug traffickers, But I don't think that's the

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material question here. I think the question here is under

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what circumstances are we going out into the Caribbean and opening.

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Speaker 5: Fire without questions? I have a big problem with it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And to me, the question of the double tap

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in Pete's Heggs's role, which I am skeptical of. The

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Post reporting, which I think was largely superseded by the Times,

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is reporting. It is secondary. It's important because it's now

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been raised, but it's secondary to the material point here,

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which is, sorry, at what point did we get involved

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in this?

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Speaker 5: And on whose authority?

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Speaker 1: Well, Stephen, can you tell us the big leaf of

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authority under which this is being Well?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So I disagree to a large extent, but not

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completely with Charlie's point of view. By the way, about

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the double tap, has anyone seemed to notice what happened

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by focusing in on this second strike? The objection up

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till now has been the first strike for some of

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the reasons Charlie and others make. But suddenly this is given. Oh,

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it's almost as though the premise here is, oh, the

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first strike, I guess is okay, but not a second one.

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I think it's kind of a You almost wonder if

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Trump thought of that on purpose. I think that. Here's

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why I different with Charlie. I do think that it

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is within the Commander in chief's powers to order these

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strikes with the military. I do think more should be

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done to justify it, though that's where we agree. I

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did check with our pal John Yu, because I'm easier

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than doing the research myself. When President Jefferson sent out

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the Marines to go after the Barbary pirates in eighteen

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oh three, there was no direct congressional authorization. They did, however,

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make an appropriation or some resolution to say the Marines

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can go on a training exercise, which isn't exactly what

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they did, but it's better than nothing. So I think

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the larger context here, and here's where I think I

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probably a closer to Charlie's view, is, you know, we

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have this slow tilla down in Venezuela. We don't need

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all those boats to chase these drug runners. It's pretty

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clear that we are trying to affect regime change in Venezuela,

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although we don't want to say that directly because that

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phrase is toxic. And by the way, I think I've

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said this before. If I haven't, I'll just say it again.

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I'm convinced that Venezuela is a dedicated enemy of our

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country and has been collaborating closely with the Iranians, among others,

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probably the Chinese and who knows who else. In other words,

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I suspect if we knew all the facts, there would

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be a reasonable causes belly on our part. However, we

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aren't being told these facts. We're not being given a case.

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And you know, once again, my mind runs back to

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nineteen eighty three, when out of the blue, we invaded

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Grenada to rescue some American students the medical school and

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essentially get rid of the crazy regime that was further

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to the radical communist side than the existing community. It

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was a confused scene, right. However, what people should know

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is remember, because I do, is in March of that year.

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The Grenada invasion was October. In March of that year,

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Ronald Reagan gave a Oval Office address. Presidents don't seem

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to make those anymore. Talking entirely about Central America. It

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was actually his first major speech about Central America, and

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he was laying out the case of why we need

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to contain Nicaragua. But along the way he said, you know,

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it turns out that the Cubans are building this huge

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military installation at Grenada. What are they doing that for?

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It can't be any good. So Reagan had told us

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ahead of time what the reasons were for for watching

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out for Grenada, and if you remember that, when the

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invasion happened, it made some sense. So we're not getting

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an explanation for what we're trying to do in Venezuela,

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and I think that is a mistake.

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Speaker 1: Agreed, But to the two points that Charles made, I

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want to know whether or not these ships have sailed

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and suck. The first is finding some sort of congressional

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action that justifies these things. We like to think that

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they The President goes to the Houses of Congress, makes

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the point, makes the point of the American people. There's

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a vote that seems to be the way we think

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things ought to be, but they aren't, especially when it

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comes to things like budgets. We don't sit down and

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discuss individual items in the budget. We just pass yay

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or nay a blob, which again is not how we

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think things should be. And when it comes to the language,

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I agree with Charles. They're not terrorists. They're bad guys,

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but they're not terrorists in the sense of people who

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are trying to use violence to achieve a political means.

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And if you want to recategorize fentanyl and cocaine as

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chemical warfare, it's not because that denudes the original items

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of their power. But at the same time, everybody people

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will tell idealists like Charles is that if we don't start,

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if we don't start using their tactics, then we're never

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going to win. That the time for holding fast to

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these ideals is gone because we have to we have

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to do things. Things must be done. So you're quibbling

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over little things like language when they're wibbling when they're

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trying to make the country and the people straight safe

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and healthy.

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Speaker 4: I just don't think anyone who had found that argument

474
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would be very pleased with it if it came at

475
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them at one hundred miles an hour after they've been

476
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arrested and accused of crime.

477
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Speaker 1: Of course, not that that's the whole you know, these

478
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are the new rules. You're not gonna like them. But

479
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everybody always thinks that. But again they will say, and

480
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I'm not making this argument because I don't agree with it,

481
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I'm just phrasing it. They will say that we are

482
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in this mess precisely because we refused to fight in

483
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the same way that the other side did. And I

484
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find it hilarious that the Democrats believe that they're out

485
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of power because they didn't get as nasty. And you know,

486
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as each side seems to accuse themselves, accused their own

487
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side of not being as bad as the other guys.

488
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But you know, you've heard this on the right from

489
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time to time. It's the people who stand there with

490
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their principles who get mauled every time, and the end

491
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result is the end of a society that allows them

492
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to have their principles.

493
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Speaker 2: Right.

494
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Speaker 4: It's just a little bit odd, isn't it that that

495
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argument in the realm of foreign policy is coming from

496
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the people who said that they were America first non

497
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interventionists and being thrown at people such as myself who

498
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are accused falsely for the record of being neo con adventurists.

499
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I mean, I'm the guy who, as a matter of record,

500
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I've written about this has been uncomfortable on constitutional grounds,

501
00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:24,960
with the bombing of the Iranian nuclear facilities, with Trump's

502
00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:29,480
bombing of Syria in twenty seventeen, with Barack Obama's attempted

503
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military action in Syria in twenty thirteen, which he canceled,

504
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with the invasion of Libya in twenty ten. So I'm

505
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not what some people assume. I am some sort of

506
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foreign interventionist gung ho type, but I'm nevertheless accused of it,

507
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of people who say, listen, we have to deal with

508
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things at home. We can't go running around the world

509
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playing policemen.

510
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Speaker 5: And now I'm the naive. I know you're not accuse

511
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me of this. Of James. I'm just saying I have been

512
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told this. I'm now the naive.

513
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Speaker 4: John Lennon imagines singing pacifist who doesn't understand the imperative

514
00:28:09,319 --> 00:28:14,119
that is the United States policing It's waltzs. I find

515
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this bizarre. I honestly I can't quite believe that this

516
00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:21,440
has happened, given well, the rhetoric of the last decade.

517
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Speaker 1: It is Stephen. Let's put it this way. While people

518
00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:29,000
like to say good good drug boats blown up stuff

519
00:28:29,039 --> 00:28:31,839
that's bad doesn't get to our shores. Good may not

520
00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:35,400
be a lot, but it's a start, and somebody's doing something,

521
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and we always like to see something being done. But

522
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if we really wanted to do something about this, there's

523
00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:41,559
two things that we have to address, and that is

524
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supply and demand. We don't like to talk about demand

525
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a lot because demand puts the onus on the people

526
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in America who are taking it. They're not all helpless

527
00:28:48,279 --> 00:28:50,960
fix There's nobody coming from Venezuela and prying their mouth

528
00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:53,960
open and shoving down a pill and then using a

529
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plunger to make sure it's absorbed in their stomach. There isn't.

530
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But by the same token, most of it doesn't come

531
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from Venezuela. I think that's why a lot of people

532
00:29:01,599 --> 00:29:04,480
are surprised, like really, drug boats out of Venezuela, because

533
00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:06,799
it's Mexico, because it's coming through Canada, because it's coming

534
00:29:06,799 --> 00:29:11,039
from precursor plants that you know, Chinese provided precursor chemicals.

535
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There are other places to start, and maybe we're kind

536
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of wondering why or not necessarily contradicting my first point.

537
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Do you think that there actually is a lot of

538
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stuff going on that we just don't hear about because

539
00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:26,839
the Seals don't issue an after action report after they've

540
00:29:26,839 --> 00:29:29,480
taken out a cartil lab in a Mexican jungle.

541
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Speaker 2: Well, I mean, in the case of Venezuela, I started

542
00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:38,480
wondering about them more than fifteen years ago when you

543
00:29:38,519 --> 00:29:41,960
started having direct flights from Tehran to Caracas, and you

544
00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:44,599
don't need direct flights for people to coordinate their oil

545
00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:47,640
output as part of the whole OPEC drama that happens

546
00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:50,440
every year. I think this was And there's been other

547
00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:55,000
periodic reports here and there of Venezuelan support for a

548
00:29:55,079 --> 00:29:58,160
conduit to loss and some of the other bad actors

549
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in the world, and I think they're all four Uh.

550
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I mean yeah. I dimentions of where the drugs come from,

551
00:30:06,039 --> 00:30:08,119
who's using them, and what's the most effective way to

552
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reduce it. I don't know what the answers to those are.

553
00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:13,960
We've talked about drug treatment and stuff forever. Uh. And

554
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I was skeptical about the war on drugs for a

555
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long time, but I'm now not so sure seeing the

556
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results of of legalized marijuana, that the idea of legalizing

557
00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:27,039
hard drugs is such a good idea anymore. Our libertarian

558
00:30:27,079 --> 00:30:30,400
friends still think so very much. But I don't know.

559
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I think it has a solitary effect if if it's

560
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if what I'm saying is correct, I think there would

561
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be a solitary effect if Venezuela were halted and turned around.

562
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Speaker 1: Yeah, we'd like to see them better. I just find

563
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a damned odd. I was in Boston over the last

564
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week for Thanksgiving, and what do you see in Boston

565
00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:52,880
in the skyline a big sign for Citgo. Sidgo is

566
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owned by Venezuela. Yeah, yeah, it's it's a bit complex.

567
00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:01,079
They're I mean, they're they're head quartered in Houston, but

568
00:31:01,119 --> 00:31:05,200
they are owned by the by Petroleum of Venezuela, you know,

569
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and so so yes, it's a state owned company, which

570
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is just bizarre.

571
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Speaker 2: Yeah, well remember just we're just briefly, I mean, the

572
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Biden administration relaxed sanctions against Venezuela and Venezuelan oil in

573
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return for a Venezuelan pregs that they would have an

574
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honest and free and fair election that they would follow,

575
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and they didn't. And to my knowledge the Biden administration

576
00:31:28,359 --> 00:31:30,720
did not put the sanctions back on. I'm not sure

577
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:33,559
that Trump administration has entirely done so either. I think

578
00:31:33,599 --> 00:31:36,200
we've made some exemptions. I think it's for Chevron to

579
00:31:36,279 --> 00:31:40,119
work on some oil projects in Venezuela in part because

580
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Chevron has a I think or maybe Exxon has a

581
00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:45,200
big commitment to the new oil fields in Guyana, which

582
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apparently Venezuela covets. And that's an interesting little subtext going

583
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on too.

584
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Speaker 4: Can I ask one more question on this topic if

585
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we put aside my constitutional objections and assume we would

586
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need a congressional butte to satisfy the rules, and is

587
00:32:02,039 --> 00:32:07,039
there a case for the United States more generally getting

588
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involved within its sphere a la the Monroe doctrine that

589
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is consistent where the fear of foreign interventionism? In other words,

590
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is it reasonable to say we don't want the United

591
00:32:20,359 --> 00:32:24,079
States going into the Middle East or Vietnam, it's too

592
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:28,720
far away, it ends in disaster. But yeah, if Mexico

593
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or Venezuela or Cuba become a problem, we're going.

594
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Speaker 5: To take him out.

595
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Speaker 4: Is that a strand of thought that could come back

596
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from the early nineteenth century.

597
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Speaker 2: Or the early nights. Yeah, the nighting A's or nineteen well, actually,

598
00:32:43,839 --> 00:32:45,799
that's kind of when it started to change a bit.

599
00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:49,799
James Robald Reagan's views on this evolved and were quite

600
00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:52,680
curious by the time he left office, because you know,

601
00:32:53,079 --> 00:32:55,200
the great story of the left was that we what

602
00:32:55,359 --> 00:32:58,200
was at Guatemala, We invaded to bail out United Fruit

603
00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:02,640
Company or something stet That whole old story persists. But

604
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by the time he got to the end of Reagan's

605
00:33:05,839 --> 00:33:09,599
last term, there was the big agitation to invade Panama

606
00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:12,920
because Manuel Noriega wasn't implicated the drug trade and money

607
00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:14,519
longering and all kinds of terrible things.

608
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Speaker 1: He was waving around a machete on television. He had

609
00:33:19,079 --> 00:33:21,039
he had the complexion of a pineapple. He was a

610
00:33:21,079 --> 00:33:23,480
weird guy waving around a machete, and you.

611
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Speaker 2: Know, right, but they all, you know, the whole National

612
00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:28,839
Defense establishment came to Reagan said we got to invade Panama.

613
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Take this guy out. He's a bad guy. And Reagan said, no,

614
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I'm not going to do that. I don't want to

615
00:33:33,839 --> 00:33:37,240
do that. Reagan was really quite forced averst on optional

616
00:33:37,279 --> 00:33:41,079
things like Panama, and he wrote in his diary he says,

617
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you know, my travels in Latin America, which were extensive

618
00:33:44,039 --> 00:33:47,319
during his two terms and really have made me sympathize

619
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with the view that we Northern Yankees have been too

620
00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:53,359
aggressive in overseeing their countries and that we should we

621
00:33:53,359 --> 00:33:58,839
should take a lighter approach to Latin America. And no,

622
00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:01,240
I don't think he was wrong. I do think I

623
00:34:01,279 --> 00:34:04,160
guess sorry, I haven't been around about I think the

624
00:34:04,279 --> 00:34:06,480
creative answer to your question, Charlie is is we ought

625
00:34:06,519 --> 00:34:10,360
to conceive of something that I'm not Those examples are

626
00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:12,039
going to be bad ones for a lot of listeners.

627
00:34:12,199 --> 00:34:14,800
We ought to have something that resembles well, we have

628
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:17,119
the Organization of American States. I'm not sure whether we're

629
00:34:17,119 --> 00:34:18,800
really a part of that, but I think something that's

630
00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:22,840
like NATO or like the European Union but not brustlized

631
00:34:23,599 --> 00:34:25,719
would be the way to go forward with Latin America.

632
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Speaker 1: Yeah, there are two things to remember about that time.

633
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One is Jen Kirkpatrick saying that there is a distinction

634
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between totalitarianism and authoritarianism. And she had a point, and

635
00:34:35,639 --> 00:34:37,320
people made fun of her at the time and talked

636
00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:39,840
about how this was a distinction without a difference. It

637
00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:43,159
was just used to justify. But totalitarian states do not evolve.

638
00:34:43,639 --> 00:34:46,679
They crack and sunder and fall apart. Authoritarian states, under

639
00:34:46,679 --> 00:34:50,000
her view, do have the potential to evolve in something

640
00:34:50,119 --> 00:34:55,000
more civils and more more or less onerous to the people.

641
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Speaker 2: And then many of them became democratic in the age too, right, right.

642
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Speaker 1: And the other was the break f doctrine, which says

643
00:35:01,159 --> 00:35:05,079
that any you know, any state that went communist, there's

644
00:35:05,119 --> 00:35:07,840
no going back from that. So you combine those two things,

645
00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:12,960
and you combine Soviet aggression, aggression, yes, diplomatic military sneaky whatever,

646
00:35:13,079 --> 00:35:16,480
in the care in the in the in Central America

647
00:35:16,519 --> 00:35:18,440
in the eighties, and the fact that the Cold War

648
00:35:18,599 --> 00:35:22,199
was still going on. You can well understand why the

649
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:24,679
United States had a keen eye on the composition of

650
00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:28,519
the governments there because you had Cuba, Nicaragua falls, El

651
00:35:28,639 --> 00:35:30,719
Salvador falls, and the rest of it. It means you

652
00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:32,920
have to get him with a lot of unsavory characters

653
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:36,719
that that you know that Oliver Stone doesn't like. But

654
00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:39,920
the alternative is to see the entire lake to uh,

655
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:42,719
you know, to the Russians in that case, Now, that

656
00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:47,760
just seems absurd because as we all know, they were weak,

657
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:50,760
Gorby was going to come along. He was Gorby loved peace.

658
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:52,840
He wanted nothing more than you know all that bs.

659
00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:56,199
But at the time it was I keenly remembered these

660
00:35:56,239 --> 00:35:59,920
things occupying the American psyche for the entirety of the eighties.

661
00:36:00,559 --> 00:36:02,599
It was a big deal. So for Charles to say

662
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:04,840
the nineteen you know, should we get back to the

663
00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:08,039
nineteenth century idea? I mean no, to me's that's that's

664
00:36:08,159 --> 00:36:11,519
my twenties right there is caring what goes on there? Now?

665
00:36:12,079 --> 00:36:14,480
Do we really care whether or not Daniel Ortega is

666
00:36:14,519 --> 00:36:16,760
in charge at this moment at Nicaragua, which still to

667
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:23,559
this moment they pains me amazing. Probably not? Probably not?

668
00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:26,679
Or should we worry that much about you know else?

669
00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:30,199
Should we look at El Salvador as an example perhaps

670
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:31,840
that the other states can follow if they want to,

671
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:36,320
you know, reclaim their streets and the safety of their people. Yes,

672
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:41,320
But do we invade if El Salvador as president goes

673
00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:45,920
it falls to a military coup? No, it's not the

674
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:49,639
same because we're not dealing with the Ruskies, and China

675
00:36:50,039 --> 00:36:52,599
is much better at just sort of getting what they

676
00:36:52,679 --> 00:36:56,599
want with a little money. In Belton Road, and getting

677
00:36:56,599 --> 00:36:57,840
people on the hook for that.

678
00:36:58,719 --> 00:36:59,480
Speaker 5: So that's what I have.

679
00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:03,599
Speaker 4: To plead extreme youth and beauty from my parents.

680
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:07,840
Speaker 1: Well, I was there, young man. I was there, and

681
00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:08,800
I remember.

682
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:13,119
Speaker 2: Well, my my favorite joke from that time, James, was

683
00:37:13,119 --> 00:37:16,119
from m Stanton Evans who said the Falklands lore between

684
00:37:16,119 --> 00:37:19,159
Britain and Argentina. It was really difficult for conservatives because

685
00:37:19,159 --> 00:37:21,840
on the one hand we like imperialism, but on the

686
00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:24,760
other hand we like military dictatorships, so it's hard to choose.

687
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Speaker 1: No, no, we didn't. All I know is it made.

688
00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:32,320
It made Elvis Gustello very sad and he wrote a

689
00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:33,360
lamenting song about it.

690
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:40,360
Speaker 4: Hi, this is a young Culter.

691
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Speaker 1: Welcome to my Ricochet podcast.

692
00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:47,119
Speaker 2: And Coulter every week on Ricochet. You're home to center

693
00:37:47,199 --> 00:37:48,079
right conversation.

694
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Speaker 1: Hey, that was pretty good. All right, Well, let's step

695
00:37:56,840 --> 00:37:59,039
away from the lake in our backyard and go to

696
00:37:59,079 --> 00:38:02,239
something else. It's a Texas SCOTOS has given a green

697
00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:05,280
light to that Texas redistribution map, and we know that

698
00:38:05,559 --> 00:38:08,480
jerrymandering and redistribution is a big thing right now because

699
00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:11,199
various states are either depending on whether you like California

700
00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:15,639
or Texas, control and drive out the opposition or create

701
00:38:16,639 --> 00:38:21,119
things that allow diversity to flourish, et etcetera, etcetera. I

702
00:38:21,159 --> 00:38:24,760
have not I know virtually nothing about this, so I'm

703
00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:26,079
going to throw it out to you guys, who no

704
00:38:26,159 --> 00:38:29,000
doubt have been absorbing its details keenly and can tell

705
00:38:29,079 --> 00:38:31,320
us all what to think. What do I think about this?

706
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:33,800
Speaker 2: Well, two quick thoughts. One is I think I said

707
00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:37,519
this before that jerrymandering was never a scandal or a

708
00:38:37,639 --> 00:38:40,960
threat to democracy until Republicans got good at it. Then

709
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:43,400
suddenly the media and everybody fell into line. But I

710
00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:46,440
do think what this Supreme Court order means is that

711
00:38:46,519 --> 00:38:48,800
the Voting Rights Act case that was argued a couple

712
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:52,400
months ago has been decided. I mean, the justices always

713
00:38:52,519 --> 00:38:54,320
vote on a case the same week they hear them.

714
00:38:54,599 --> 00:38:57,159
They can change bouts later, but usually not. And so

715
00:38:57,239 --> 00:39:02,159
my guess is that the the lower court ruling that

716
00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:07,400
struck down the Texas attempted map redrawing was going to

717
00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:09,800
fall prey to the Voting Rights Act case, which we

718
00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:12,159
probably won't get the opinion on for several months yet,

719
00:39:12,199 --> 00:39:14,960
because I think the liberal dissenters it's probably a six'

720
00:39:15,039 --> 00:39:16,960
to three, vote it's my. Guess and the liberal dissenters

721
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:18,760
are going to want to screen from the rooftops about

722
00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:22,400
how this is all terrible because it's attacking fundamental voting.

723
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:25,519
Rights SO i think that's the hint THAT i take

724
00:39:25,559 --> 00:39:27,079
from how quickly the court moved on.

725
00:39:27,119 --> 00:39:30,280
Speaker 1: This, Charles i'm gonna ask you to combine two, things

726
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:34,480
one your thoughts on redistricting and two your thoughts on warm.

727
00:39:34,519 --> 00:39:36,199
Sheets And i'm going to get to you about that

728
00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:38,280
in just a, second BECAUSE i have to tell you. Something,

729
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:43,079
folks we are coming up, to you. KNOW i think

730
00:39:43,119 --> 00:39:45,639
the holidays is what they call, Them christmas or something like.

731
00:39:45,679 --> 00:39:48,159
THAT i hear the songs in the. Mall It's. December

732
00:39:48,199 --> 00:39:50,760
we all know what it, is and you, Know thanksgiving

733
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:53,119
us a little past. Us. Now you're probably, relaxing but

734
00:39:53,159 --> 00:39:55,159
you're gearing up because it's going to be a month

735
00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:59,639
of doing, stuff the, hustle the, bustle and in all

736
00:39:59,679 --> 00:40:01,960
of the time you had ahead of, you you, think

737
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:03,639
what do you look forward to the. Most, well it's the,

738
00:40:03,679 --> 00:40:05,800
parties it's the, family it's the. Friends but it's also

739
00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:07,840
those moments where you can just slow down and not

740
00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:10,719
do anything and take a, breather cozy up and just

741
00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:14,960
be present in the. Moment oh and speaking of, presents

742
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:17,440
he said with a segue That Rob long would have

743
00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:21,280
stepped on years. Ago ask, yourself who's on Your christmas

744
00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:23,320
list this? Year and who on your shopping list deserves

745
00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:25,960
a gift that helps them Relax, now whether you're a,

746
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:28,119
parent you're a, partner or even if you're doing a

747
00:40:28,119 --> 00:40:30,480
little shopping for yourself like, me Because i'm in the sheets.

748
00:40:30,559 --> 00:40:34,239
Market there's no going wrong With Cozy earth's luxurious, Bedding

749
00:40:34,559 --> 00:40:38,960
Cozy earth's lounge, Ware, Oh Cozy earth's pajamas and, no

750
00:40:39,239 --> 00:40:41,480
you can't wear them on the. Plane you'll want to,

751
00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:43,960
though because they're that. Solved maybe you'd like to hear

752
00:40:44,039 --> 00:40:45,519
from someone who can tell you a little bit more

753
00:40:45,519 --> 00:40:48,920
about redistricting and The Cozy earth. Experience that would Be.

754
00:40:49,039 --> 00:40:51,880
Charles And i'm going to give him a break, here

755
00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:54,119
and he doesn't really have to combine the two topics

756
00:40:54,159 --> 00:40:56,760
BECAUSE i know he'd rather tell you about how great

757
00:40:56,840 --> 00:40:57,719
these sheets. Are.

758
00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:02,679
Speaker 4: Charles they are, great, Right they're, breathable they're, comfortable they

759
00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:07,239
are up to my wife's exacting, standards which is very.

760
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:10,480
Important they can be slept in and are slept in

761
00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:12,719
in the cook household. All, yeah around all though of

762
00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:14,679
course only by people who live in the cook households

763
00:41:14,679 --> 00:41:16,920
that don't show up trying to get into those. Sheets

764
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:19,480
you won't be allowed. To you want, to, though because

765
00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:22,599
they are fantastic sheets that we have enjoyed in the

766
00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:24,960
enormous amount of time we spend a, sleep, which when

767
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:26,320
you think about, it is actually kind of.

768
00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:29,519
Speaker 1: Alarming, yeah, WELL i WISH i had a more enormous.

769
00:41:29,519 --> 00:41:33,360
Time i'm you, Know i'm going to get these sheets

770
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:35,440
for the next. Bed and one of the great things about,

771
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it here's the deal you. Get and WHEN i say,

772
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773
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774
00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:47,559
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775
00:41:47,599 --> 00:41:49,679
these things are and how much they stand behind, them

776
00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:52,159
and how much they know you're going to love, them

777
00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:53,880
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778
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791
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Podcast and now That i've completed the, ENDORSEMENT i wanted to,

792
00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:43,000
say and if you come to the cook household and

793
00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:45,039
attempt to sleep in their great, sheets you will be.

794
00:42:45,079 --> 00:42:46,239
SHOT i.

795
00:42:49,559 --> 00:42:49,800
Speaker 5: Quite.

796
00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:52,880
Speaker 1: Possibly. So, well here's something That, CHARLES i know is

797
00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:55,440
not in your wheelhouse, necessarily But i'm going to ask you.

798
00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:59,599
About it has to do with media. Consolidation netflix set

799
00:42:59,639 --> 00:43:03,320
to Buy Warner brothers And, discovery WHICH i find very

800
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:05,280
strange because it's the channel THAT i don't watch in

801
00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:07,280
a credit card That i've never. Had but for some,

802
00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:11,559
Reason discovery And Warner brothers are worth seventy two billion

803
00:43:11,679 --> 00:43:17,400
dollars that's a lot of, money and it feels like

804
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:21,239
one of those end of a boom things where companies

805
00:43:21,679 --> 00:43:26,360
are changing hands for tons of, money like When Warner

806
00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:29,519
brothers BOUGHT, aol OR aol Bought Warner brothers and they

807
00:43:29,559 --> 00:43:31,760
moved into The Twin towers In Columbus circle and a

808
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:33,920
new era had. Begun and, then of course two years

809
00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:36,039
later they're trying to unwind the deal and everybody's lost.

810
00:43:36,039 --> 00:43:40,559
SOMETHING i don't get, IT i do not, understand but

811
00:43:40,599 --> 00:43:42,800
a lot of people are saying that this is a, nail,

812
00:43:43,519 --> 00:43:49,079
no the last nail in the CABLE tv. Coffin so

813
00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:52,000
where do you? Guys are you bothered by additional media

814
00:43:52,039 --> 00:43:54,719
consolidation and what do you think the media landscape is

815
00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:58,039
going to look like cable? Wise is this the? End

816
00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:00,719
and are we happy about that or?

817
00:44:00,719 --> 00:44:05,039
Speaker 4: Not, WELL i will agree with you That i'm not

818
00:44:05,079 --> 00:44:08,800
an expert in. THIS i am somebody who cut the

819
00:44:09,039 --> 00:44:13,840
cord WHEN i moved To florida in twenty, seventeen And

820
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:17,599
i'm not actually saving any money from this.

821
00:44:18,119 --> 00:44:22,679
Speaker 1: Anymore, really, really did it somehow work out that by

822
00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:25,119
piling all those streaming services on top of the things

823
00:44:25,119 --> 00:44:26,760
you ended up paying just what you had, before in

824
00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:28,599
addition to paying for a service that gives you the

825
00:44:28,599 --> 00:44:30,599
broadcast channels and the local news and all the other

826
00:44:30,599 --> 00:44:31,159
stuff you don't.

827
00:44:31,199 --> 00:44:34,400
Speaker 5: Watch, REALLY i THINK i may be paying more now one.

828
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:36,079
Speaker 4: Another i'm okay with this BECAUSE i don't have to

829
00:44:36,119 --> 00:44:38,599
run coaxial cable around my house and of those big bulky,

830
00:44:38,639 --> 00:44:41,400
boxes AND i do like the way my network works

831
00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:41,679
and so.

832
00:44:41,719 --> 00:44:44,119
Speaker 5: Forth but it clearly.

833
00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:49,599
Speaker 4: Has not continued as a cost saving. Proposition it seems

834
00:44:49,599 --> 00:44:53,360
to me that there is at some point going to

835
00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:57,960
be a burst bubble and a few of these are

836
00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:01,159
going to disappear or they're all AND i get merged into.

837
00:45:01,199 --> 00:45:03,280
One but the federal government's gonna have a problem with.

838
00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:06,960
That i'm not quite sure that that's the implication of this, deal,

839
00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:12,639
though Because Warner brothers And netflix are different entities now

840
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:17,039
you will know about. This i'm given to understand that

841
00:45:17,079 --> 00:45:22,119
there's Some Supreme court case from the forties that means

842
00:45:22,199 --> 00:45:25,840
that studios can't own movie. Theaters, well it has to

843
00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:28,280
all be, separated which was very interesting to me because

844
00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:33,039
WHEN i was growing up In, Cambridge, england the movie

845
00:45:33,119 --> 00:45:38,679
theater there was The Warner Brothers. Multiplex now they showed

846
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:41,719
movies from all the, studios but it was owned By Warner,

847
00:45:41,719 --> 00:45:45,599
brothers AND i think it then got sold To, Universal

848
00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:48,280
so that's how it changed hands in the way movement parks,

849
00:45:48,280 --> 00:45:52,960
do and that's not allowed. Here so there's a factor

850
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:56,840
here that is obviously at some point going to have

851
00:45:56,920 --> 00:45:59,719
to be reconsidered by The Supreme court and or by

852
00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:03,000
cons which is that the rules that were set up

853
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:06,159
in the forties don't seem to properly tally with the

854
00:46:06,159 --> 00:46:13,320
way that the industry is now, working where the delivery

855
00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:17,760
mechanisms and the production mechanisms are getting closer and closer

856
00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:21,800
together by by, Definition BUT i don't know enough about.

857
00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:25,480
Speaker 1: That, well this is why we NEED. Ej hill And gary,

858
00:46:25,559 --> 00:46:28,920
McVay two of our extremely savvy guys when it comes

859
00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:31,199
to the history of the, industries to weigh into the.

860
00:46:31,199 --> 00:46:34,360
Comments and believe, me those guys are good and they'll

861
00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:36,360
give us what. For it is funny, though when you

862
00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:40,079
consider about, it is that if they can't own movie theaters,

863
00:46:40,119 --> 00:46:42,760
anymore but if our house is now the movie, theater

864
00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:46,800
then are what are The what are our obligations as

865
00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:49,400
movie theater owners at? Home SHOULD i be wearing an usher,

866
00:46:49,519 --> 00:46:51,639
uniform Because i'm sort of the height that you would

867
00:46:51,639 --> 00:46:54,000
expect that to. Be to get the little Cap, dad

868
00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:57,760
SHOULD i before a movie somehow apply a little light

869
00:46:57,800 --> 00:46:59,719
adhesive to the floor so that my you, know my

870
00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:02,039
feet stick to it like they do in the old multiplex.

871
00:47:02,119 --> 00:47:05,519
DAYS i don't know If i'm in the. Theater, Well,

872
00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:09,880
STEPHEN i don't know what configuration you. HAVE i Know

873
00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:13,000
america is desperately knowing wishes to know if you have

874
00:47:14,239 --> 00:47:15,920
the cable and the rest of. It But Charles, WRIGHT

875
00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:18,840
i mean getting rid of the coax. Great WHEN i

876
00:47:18,840 --> 00:47:21,480
got rid of my satellite great five years, BEFORE i,

877
00:47:21,519 --> 00:47:25,159
thought look at, Me i'm getting my entertainment beamed clear

878
00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:28,679
and crisp from. Space and then five or six years

879
00:47:28,719 --> 00:47:32,719
later that's like you're still getting YOUR tv from, space.

880
00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:36,039
MAN i, mean the shift to that paradigm was just.

881
00:47:36,079 --> 00:47:38,719
Stunning AND i was so happy to get rid of

882
00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:41,000
cable with a plethora of channels THAT i don't, use

883
00:47:41,039 --> 00:47:43,559
and be able to select these bespoke little. Services but

884
00:47:43,599 --> 00:47:45,199
the end results of this is THAT i have no

885
00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:47,920
idea where anything is that show THAT i? Watched what

886
00:47:48,079 --> 00:47:50,360
was it on that series that my wife was watching?

887
00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:55,199
It and it's not Because i'm older AND i can't

888
00:47:55,239 --> 00:47:58,519
figure out where it. IS i can't hear people, Talk

889
00:47:58,559 --> 00:48:02,519
and it's just because it did not turn out to

890
00:48:02,559 --> 00:48:04,119
be the sort of thing that saved us money and

891
00:48:04,159 --> 00:48:05,920
made our lives. Easier and as a matter of, FACT

892
00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:08,199
i think a lot of people sort of feel about

893
00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:11,039
old cable television the way people in their sixties and

894
00:48:11,079 --> 00:48:13,639
seventies In russia feel about The Soviet. Union it had its,

895
00:48:13,639 --> 00:48:15,719
problems but it was good and well storm.

896
00:48:17,519 --> 00:48:20,320
Speaker 2: WELL i THINK i can Channel Rob long here a,

897
00:48:20,320 --> 00:48:22,760
bit because he used to talk a lot about how

898
00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:26,599
all these big tie ups promised these great, synergies that

899
00:48:26,719 --> 00:48:29,480
wonderful bezz word from the management, consultants and how they

900
00:48:29,519 --> 00:48:32,760
always then were desynergized a few years. Later so you

901
00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:36,199
mentioned Aol Time Warner paramount had a couple of different

902
00:48:36,199 --> 00:48:38,800
tie ups that have recently been, unwound And i'm wondering

903
00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:41,239
about this. ONE i think maybe it's the case That

904
00:48:41,280 --> 00:48:44,159
netflix is simply by the Way netflix stock has just

905
00:48:44,239 --> 00:48:46,360
roared the last couple of, YEARS i, mean way beyond

906
00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:48,960
WHAT i think you might have, expected and it's hard

907
00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:51,880
to imagine that trajectory. Continuing maybe they have more capital

908
00:48:52,199 --> 00:48:54,079
or access to capital than they know what to do.

909
00:48:54,199 --> 00:48:56,159
WITH i don't know what they ration off of this

910
00:48:56,320 --> 00:48:58,400
is it surprises me that you'd want to have more

911
00:48:58,440 --> 00:49:01,800
of these. Mergers but speaking of being so, Old, JAMES

912
00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:04,599
i can, REMEMBER i guess it now is thirty years

913
00:49:04,599 --> 00:49:07,079
ago when the big issue was we need to regulate

914
00:49:07,159 --> 00:49:11,000
cable television because they're exploiting. Us and of course we

915
00:49:11,039 --> 00:49:13,000
PASSED i think it was nineteen ninety two we passed

916
00:49:13,039 --> 00:49:17,239
a new cable regulation, bill after which cable rates went up, predictably,

917
00:49:17,719 --> 00:49:20,719
right because that's what often happens with that kind of government. Regulation,

918
00:49:21,320 --> 00:49:24,000
now is there anybody, seeing, gosh we got the regulators

919
00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:27,000
have got to crack down on these cable. Companies, no

920
00:49:27,079 --> 00:49:29,719
the other. Way any minute NOW i Expect President trump

921
00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:31,880
to say we need to subsidize the cable companies to

922
00:49:31,960 --> 00:49:34,840
keep them from going. Broke probably not, literally but you

923
00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:37,960
see the problem here Is. Yeah, Now i'm With. CHARLES

924
00:49:38,119 --> 00:49:39,920
i cut my court a long time, also AND i

925
00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:42,679
THINK i probably spend about the. Same the big opening

926
00:49:42,679 --> 00:49:44,800
here for me for cable, television if they want to

927
00:49:44,840 --> 00:49:47,199
stay in the, game is to unbundle. EVERYTHING i, mean

928
00:49:47,239 --> 00:49:49,360
the problem with cable is they have so many must carry,

929
00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:52,400
rules And i'm not sure if those are industry, rules

930
00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:57,400
broadcast network, rules or actually government. Rules i'm completely ignorant

931
00:49:57,440 --> 00:50:00,039
about all of. That BUT i think cable couldure a

932
00:50:00,119 --> 00:50:03,199
lot of people back if they, Said, okay what channels

933
00:50:03,199 --> 00:50:05,079
do you, want here's what we'll charge you for. Them.

934
00:50:05,199 --> 00:50:07,559
Speaker 4: YEAH i think the one problem with, that as far

935
00:50:07,599 --> 00:50:10,840
AS i can, see again not an, expert is that

936
00:50:11,239 --> 00:50:13,760
the thing that people actually want to watch is, sports

937
00:50:14,719 --> 00:50:17,519
and they don't really want to watch anything. Else and

938
00:50:17,559 --> 00:50:19,519
so all of the other things that are on cable,

939
00:50:19,559 --> 00:50:26,039
news including SAY msnbc now MS now is cross subsidized by.

940
00:50:26,119 --> 00:50:31,079
Sports and if you get rid of the, bundling Which

941
00:50:31,079 --> 00:50:34,559
i'm in favor of, too all of those other channels

942
00:50:35,320 --> 00:50:38,280
oh way, right because all you, want if all you

943
00:50:38,320 --> 00:50:41,559
wants THE, Nfl Major League, baseball and, hockey well then

944
00:50:41,559 --> 00:50:42,719
you were just buy that and.

945
00:50:43,440 --> 00:50:44,880
Speaker 5: Kaboom.

946
00:50:45,159 --> 00:50:47,360
Speaker 1: True but the number of shows and channels out there

947
00:50:47,360 --> 00:50:50,440
devoted to the murder of young of the murder of

948
00:50:50,559 --> 00:50:55,039
wives is far greater than you. IMAGINE i, mean if

949
00:50:55,039 --> 00:50:57,199
you put together a package that is The Whollmark channel

950
00:50:57,320 --> 00:51:01,239
and The Murder victim of The Week Stuff dateline. Style

951
00:51:01,480 --> 00:51:03,119
believe me that there's as many people who want to

952
00:51:03,119 --> 00:51:05,519
watch that want to watch THE. Nba the last Thing

953
00:51:05,559 --> 00:51:08,760
i'll say about that is, this when they talk About Warner,

954
00:51:08,760 --> 00:51:11,079
brothers they, saying, Well Warner, brothers it's got all this GREAT.

955
00:51:11,119 --> 00:51:14,440
Ip they've got all this great. Ip people are talking

956
00:51:14,559 --> 00:51:16,880
they Got Harry, potter they Got batman and the rest of.

957
00:51:16,920 --> 00:51:24,039
IT i don't want any more of THE. Ip i'm

958
00:51:24,239 --> 00:51:26,920
tired of all of it and the idea that we're

959
00:51:26,960 --> 00:51:30,239
going to continue to exploit these, things to take these,

960
00:51:30,400 --> 00:51:32,639
limping lame horses out in the back and beat them

961
00:51:32,679 --> 00:51:35,559
some more and extract even more out of The potter

962
00:51:35,679 --> 00:51:38,800
verse and THE dc verse And, batman endless iterations of.

963
00:51:38,840 --> 00:51:40,679
That i'm tired of the lot of, it AND i

964
00:51:40,679 --> 00:51:42,519
wish we could just up in the edge of, sketch

965
00:51:42,639 --> 00:51:46,159
start over and sort of invent a popular culture out

966
00:51:46,159 --> 00:51:49,800
of out of our. Imaginations at the, moment just a.

967
00:51:49,840 --> 00:51:52,760
THOUGHT i, know, well the other great, news, Well i'm

968
00:51:52,760 --> 00:51:55,239
sure it's. Great the other news was, Great but this is.

969
00:51:55,280 --> 00:51:59,119
Great is that in a stunning blow to climate change

970
00:51:59,199 --> 00:52:01,039
and a sure sign that the planet is doomed and

971
00:52:01,079 --> 00:52:04,000
the seas will soon. Rise pular bears will be. Snorkeling

972
00:52:04,840 --> 00:52:09,199
The president, said, no, electric forget about. It we're going.

973
00:52:09,239 --> 00:52:12,559
Gas gas cars are. Great gas cars are. Good how

974
00:52:12,559 --> 00:52:15,199
do you guys feel about? THAT i am a firm

975
00:52:15,360 --> 00:52:18,280
believer in the power and the superiority of the internal combustion,

976
00:52:18,360 --> 00:52:20,440
engine AND i love, it even though electrics can be.

977
00:52:20,480 --> 00:52:22,760
Cool but, yeah go.

978
00:52:22,920 --> 00:52:25,599
Speaker 2: Gas, Well, JAMES i think what should appeal to you

979
00:52:25,920 --> 00:52:28,719
is that it may bring back car design to where

980
00:52:28,719 --> 00:52:30,559
you actually can make cars right.

981
00:52:31,440 --> 00:52:32,559
Speaker 1: Exactly you know the?

982
00:52:32,599 --> 00:52:33,599
Speaker 2: Point, yeah, right.

983
00:52:33,519 --> 00:52:35,280
Speaker 1: Go, ahead you make it Go, no you make it go?

984
00:52:35,280 --> 00:52:38,159
Speaker 2: Ahead, WELL i mean the reason all cars look alike these,

985
00:52:38,199 --> 00:52:40,880
days they're all her tear, shop tear drop shape and

986
00:52:41,000 --> 00:52:43,360
rounded office because they have to make them those shapes

987
00:52:43,440 --> 00:52:46,199
to meet the feel economy. Rules that's the only way

988
00:52:46,199 --> 00:52:48,920
they can do. It and so you, KNOW i wasn't

989
00:52:48,920 --> 00:52:51,000
always a fan of the old Boxy, volvos BUT i

990
00:52:51,039 --> 00:52:53,199
was glad you had that option for a. CAR i

991
00:52:53,320 --> 00:52:55,320
like cars that have angles and edges to. THEM i

992
00:52:55,320 --> 00:52:58,119
don't like the roundedness of. Everything it annoys. Me so

993
00:52:58,440 --> 00:53:01,960
let the designers now make cars that look great and

994
00:53:02,079 --> 00:53:04,360
let people decide if they want to lose a mild

995
00:53:04,400 --> 00:53:06,840
gallon of gas mileage and in return for a car

996
00:53:06,920 --> 00:53:07,679
whose style they.

997
00:53:07,800 --> 00:53:09,400
Speaker 1: Like AND i believe we were speaking to a man

998
00:53:09,440 --> 00:53:12,800
who has a golf cart with tailfins on. It does he? Not?

999
00:53:14,039 --> 00:53:16,760
Speaker 4: Absolutely you, know the way That New York times has

1000
00:53:16,960 --> 00:53:20,880
reported on this is really annoying because it has made

1001
00:53:20,880 --> 00:53:23,960
it look as If Donald trump has put his thumb

1002
00:53:23,960 --> 00:53:27,719
on the scales in favor of gas. Cars and What

1003
00:53:27,760 --> 00:53:32,559
trump has actually done is Repudiated biden's attempt by Passing

1004
00:53:32,639 --> 00:53:37,639
congress to make it impossible for car manufacturers to economically

1005
00:53:37,679 --> 00:53:43,400
produce gasoline, cars and has removed a lot of mandates

1006
00:53:43,440 --> 00:53:45,960
that make cars artificially expensive and cause all of the

1007
00:53:46,039 --> 00:53:50,199
design issues That steve. Mentioned so What trump has done

1008
00:53:50,280 --> 00:53:53,000
is the opposite of. This and it's especially annoying given

1009
00:53:53,039 --> 00:53:56,199
that When biden put out that, rule The New York

1010
00:53:56,239 --> 00:53:57,960
times insisted till it was blue in the face and

1011
00:53:58,000 --> 00:54:00,719
it was just a. Guideline and anyone who said this

1012
00:54:00,880 --> 00:54:04,760
is a flagrant attempt to put the federal government's thumb

1013
00:54:04,800 --> 00:54:07,199
on the, scales The New York times would, say, no, no, no, no,

1014
00:54:07,079 --> 00:54:10,000
no it's just a. Suggestion and Yet trump undoes the

1015
00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:13,159
suggestion via the same, means which is totally. Legitimate and

1016
00:54:13,199 --> 00:54:15,639
the time, says, ah look at him in the pocket

1017
00:54:15,719 --> 00:54:16,239
of big.

1018
00:54:16,320 --> 00:54:18,280
Speaker 5: Oil no, no, no no, no no no no.

1019
00:54:18,280 --> 00:54:20,480
Speaker 4: No what he has done there is say do what you.

1020
00:54:20,559 --> 00:54:23,800
Want this is the market, working this is not the government.

1021
00:54:23,880 --> 00:54:26,039
WORKING i think it's. GREAT i also think it's going

1022
00:54:26,119 --> 00:54:28,000
to go some way critical THOUGH i have been of

1023
00:54:28,079 --> 00:54:31,559
him on this question to alleviating some of the concerns around,

1024
00:54:31,559 --> 00:54:35,159
affordability because the combination of cash for clunkers and some

1025
00:54:35,280 --> 00:54:38,519
of these mandates meant that both the second and new car,

1026
00:54:38,599 --> 00:54:42,559
market secondhand and new car markets were artificially, expensive and

1027
00:54:42,559 --> 00:54:43,599
that's been really bad for.

1028
00:54:43,639 --> 00:54:46,400
Speaker 1: People, yes putting the thumb on the scale, somewhere or

1029
00:54:46,440 --> 00:54:48,519
taking the thumb off the. Scale some ouquates to putting

1030
00:54:48,519 --> 00:54:52,079
the thumb on the. Scale it's like the spokesman for, allichical,

1031
00:54:52,360 --> 00:54:56,840
hierarchical you, know, collectivism Or brian in nineteen eighty four

1032
00:54:56,920 --> 00:54:59,840
is saying To, winston imagine imagine a boot lifting from

1033
00:55:00,119 --> 00:55:05,599
human face For, yeah before we, Go old friend of the,

1034
00:55:05,639 --> 00:55:09,559
Show John, gabriel old friend Of, ricochet one of the

1035
00:55:09,599 --> 00:55:12,679
finest writers out there on the. Internet funny, guy king of.

1036
00:55:12,719 --> 00:55:16,320
Stuff if you've been Around. Ricochet you know how much

1037
00:55:16,320 --> 00:55:20,440
we Love. John john's have an issues and there's a

1038
00:55:20,440 --> 00:55:22,360
post up At ricochet that talks about it in his

1039
00:55:22,480 --> 00:55:26,400
usual inimitable, style and he could use some. Scratch he's

1040
00:55:26,440 --> 00:55:30,280
got a GoFundMe. Going there's a goal he's getting. There

1041
00:55:30,719 --> 00:55:33,280
but we love him and we want him to be

1042
00:55:33,320 --> 00:55:36,840
healthy and around, forever and if we can do something about,

1043
00:55:36,840 --> 00:55:41,480
that let's do something about. That so, well CAN i?

1044
00:55:41,480 --> 00:55:44,079
Say ricochet is the kind of place where people join and,

1045
00:55:44,199 --> 00:55:46,320
yeah it costs a little bit here and, there but

1046
00:55:46,519 --> 00:55:49,280
you join a community and you are able to, comment

1047
00:55:49,360 --> 00:55:51,599
which gives, you As rob, said skin in the. Game

1048
00:55:52,239 --> 00:55:53,719
it doesn't mean it's one of those cess pools of

1049
00:55:53,719 --> 00:55:55,719
people just yelling and screaming at each. Other it means

1050
00:55:55,719 --> 00:56:00,320
that there's places real people with real names that kind

1051
00:56:00,320 --> 00:56:02,639
of feel like you know because you. Do and we

1052
00:56:02,679 --> 00:56:03,960
want to help Out, John so.

1053
00:56:03,960 --> 00:56:06,800
Speaker 2: We kind just add. That you, Know i've never Met

1054
00:56:06,840 --> 00:56:08,559
john in, person BUT i do feel LIKE i know

1055
00:56:08,639 --> 00:56:10,360
him for a couple of. Reasons, one we've done a

1056
00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:12,760
couple of podcasts together and we've been reading each other for.

1057
00:56:12,880 --> 00:56:15,760
Years and, second and this is a special bond here

1058
00:56:15,760 --> 00:56:18,280
AND i have that we've talked, about you know, online

1059
00:56:18,400 --> 00:56:21,519
is we are co religionists to a somewhat rare sect In.

1060
00:56:21,519 --> 00:56:25,400
America we're Both Eastern, orthodox and you know we meet

1061
00:56:25,440 --> 00:56:27,239
in the phone, booth but that's not quite that small a.

1062
00:56:27,280 --> 00:56:30,000
Subsect but the point is, is you, know so this

1063
00:56:30,039 --> 00:56:32,480
has struck me a little bit close to. HOME i

1064
00:56:32,480 --> 00:56:32,679
heard it.

1065
00:56:32,800 --> 00:56:37,719
Speaker 1: Right So ricochet is The orthodox and the The lutheran

1066
00:56:37,760 --> 00:56:41,639
deist here and the atheist on the other. Side we contain.

1067
00:56:41,719 --> 00:56:46,480
Multitudes that's that's. Wrong that's. Whitman isn't it about the

1068
00:56:46,519 --> 00:56:47,519
containing multitudes of?

1069
00:56:47,519 --> 00:56:47,800
Speaker 5: THINGS i?

1070
00:56:47,800 --> 00:56:50,400
Speaker 1: Think or AM i? Thinking the demon who says my

1071
00:56:50,480 --> 00:56:52,800
name Is? Legion, well come To ricochet yourself and find.

1072
00:56:52,840 --> 00:56:54,599
Out we want to thank you for listening to. This

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00:56:54,599 --> 00:56:56,280
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1074
00:56:56,320 --> 00:56:58,880
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1075
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1076
00:57:02,599 --> 00:57:04,880
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1077
00:57:04,920 --> 00:57:06,960
we want to remind you That ricochet is there twenty

1078
00:57:07,320 --> 00:57:09,840
four to, seven And charles is actually one of the

1079
00:57:09,880 --> 00:57:11,639
men who make sure that it is because he's not

1080
00:57:11,679 --> 00:57:14,239
just a podcast, host he's not a great writer. Himself

1081
00:57:14,280 --> 00:57:16,559
In national. Review but he is the man who at

1082
00:57:16,599 --> 00:57:18,960
this moment is probably thinking about a way that he

1083
00:57:19,000 --> 00:57:22,320
can improve the cabling at his. Home you, know the

1084
00:57:22,320 --> 00:57:24,679
way he's the way he's got. IT i, MEAN i

1085
00:57:24,719 --> 00:57:26,519
don't know if you're A cat six or A cat seven,

1086
00:57:26,559 --> 00:57:29,400
man or if you've made that. Upgrade But, charles what

1087
00:57:29,559 --> 00:57:31,719
version of ricochet are we on at the?

1088
00:57:31,760 --> 00:57:34,559
Speaker 4: Moment, well we're on the same honess we were before

1089
00:57:34,599 --> 00:57:37,800
IT i think is four point fourteen point, fourteen and

1090
00:57:37,800 --> 00:57:38,360
then it recurs.

1091
00:57:38,440 --> 00:57:42,480
Speaker 5: Forever but this is because we're dealing with.

1092
00:57:42,519 --> 00:57:47,000
Speaker 4: Some tweaks at the, moment and the next version will

1093
00:57:47,000 --> 00:57:49,599
have fewer numbers with the dots and a bigger, number

1094
00:57:49,679 --> 00:57:51,559
not the first, number but the second number.

1095
00:57:51,360 --> 00:57:53,360
Speaker 1: Will Be pick the second, number and eventually the first

1096
00:57:53,400 --> 00:57:56,400
number will change to. It in the, meantime always behind the,

1097
00:57:56,400 --> 00:57:59,400
scenes always under the good making sure that your experience is,

1098
00:57:59,440 --> 00:58:03,000
better glitchy. Fun but what, counts of, course is the.

1099
00:58:03,039 --> 00:58:06,480
Content go, there read, it, enjoy. Gentlemen it's been a.

1100
00:58:06,480 --> 00:58:08,760
Pleasure enjoy the rest of your, time and we will

1101
00:58:08,960 --> 00:58:11,679
take this up again on a day THAT i hope

1102
00:58:11,719 --> 00:58:13,840
is not as snowy as this, one but it might.

1103
00:58:13,840 --> 00:58:15,960
Be It's. MINNESOTA i knew WHAT i was getting.

1104
00:58:15,960 --> 00:58:36,800
Speaker 6: Into Bye, Bye Bye.

1105
00:58:46,360 --> 00:58:48,960
Speaker 2: Ricochet join the.

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Speaker 1: Conversation