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<v Speaker 1>Today, I'm Always watching. We're gonna be talking about the finale,

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<v Speaker 1>the last three episodes of season two of Fallout. All

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<v Speaker 1>that right after this, Welcome to Always Watching, the strain

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<v Speaker 1>of Pity of the podcast we talk about whatever t

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<v Speaker 1>TV shows me feel like talking about.

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<v Speaker 2>My name's Matthew Carroll and I'm Jay Scotty Saint Clair.

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<v Speaker 1>What's up, Jay Scoots?

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<v Speaker 2>They did the Wang Dang Taffy Apple Tango with us

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<v Speaker 2>bunching up the episodes together like we did. I struggled

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<v Speaker 2>to find a quote that was memorable, but that that

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<v Speaker 2>song that played during the credits of episode seven really

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<v Speaker 2>struck a chord with me.

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<v Speaker 1>It sounds like it. It sounds like it did. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I really we talked to We have not covered this

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<v Speaker 1>show very intensely because we've just been busy, but we're

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<v Speaker 1>now doing our second episode, so we're wrapping up the

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<v Speaker 1>last three of Fallout season two, and I will say

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<v Speaker 1>I think it really came together for me in the

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<v Speaker 1>last three. When we spoke after episode five, I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I'm just like I said, it's good, It's

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<v Speaker 1>it's good. It's just I wasn't feeling like new ground

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<v Speaker 1>was being tread if that makes sense. But these last

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<v Speaker 1>three episodes, like with everyone kind of colliding and you

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<v Speaker 1>finally seeing these last few storylines, particularly in the Lucy

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<v Speaker 1>and her father storyline, Lucy and Hank finally getting together,

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<v Speaker 1>that it is really really uh, it blazed the exact trails.

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<v Speaker 1>I won't fall up to blaze, and like I'm starting

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<v Speaker 1>to really now that I didn't play the games, so

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<v Speaker 1>I'm really kind of getting the different factions and stuff,

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<v Speaker 1>and it was I really enjoyed the last three episodes

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<v Speaker 1>a lot.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I largely agree. I felt like they really brought

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<v Speaker 2>it home and the back not the back half of

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<v Speaker 2>the season, but the final part of the season. There,

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<v Speaker 2>I will provide the caveat that I don't feel like

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<v Speaker 2>season two ever quite reached the heights of season one

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<v Speaker 2>for me, but I was still pretty happy with where

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<v Speaker 2>it landed. And I have played a lot of the games.

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<v Speaker 2>I haven't played all the games, but I do have

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<v Speaker 2>to just highlight how influenced this is by Fallout New Vegas,

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<v Speaker 2>which is one of the ones unfortunately I haven't played.

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<v Speaker 2>I know it's a lot of people's favorite, Yeah, and

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<v Speaker 2>that's what I'm always hallmark. Yeah, when it comes to

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<v Speaker 2>the storytelling, but I am I'm pretty familiar with the

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<v Speaker 2>story beats, so yeah, I agree with you. I think

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<v Speaker 2>Lucy and Hank were kind of the kind of focal

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<v Speaker 2>point when it came to the emotion emotional punch there.

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<v Speaker 2>But I really did enjoy where the Ghoul's story kind

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<v Speaker 2>of ended up. And even Maximus, you know, getting to

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<v Speaker 2>have his heroic moment, and even Robert House, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>he's been such a foil throughout the season to see

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<v Speaker 2>him in his not to face to face glory, but

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<v Speaker 2>his resurrected glory there and.

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<v Speaker 1>In all his glory, what's that in all his arnham

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<v Speaker 1>Zola glory. That's right, That's.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, very very much like Arnamzola, even with the planning

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<v Speaker 2>for the future and all the contingencies.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, even with like that wasn't exactly the same scene,

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<v Speaker 1>but like a few scenes earlier, you see all the

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<v Speaker 1>tape machines turn on down in that other just just

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<v Speaker 1>the kind of computer technology with the green and black

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<v Speaker 1>and the spinning tapes and all of that just was

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<v Speaker 1>very very Aramsole.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, speaking of you know, the Arnam Zola and how

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<v Speaker 2>I think one of the big appeals of fallout across

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<v Speaker 2>both seasons so far is the way that they're able

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<v Speaker 2>to interweave what's happening in the Wasteland but also give

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<v Speaker 2>a really compelling story through the flashbacks and how we

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<v Speaker 2>got here and and all the players that were, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>vying for power, trying to be heroes and and do

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<v Speaker 2>the right thing, and how it ultimately failed. And I

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<v Speaker 2>was particularly interested in, like kind of the emergence of

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<v Speaker 2>the Enclave, who was heavily hinted in season one but

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<v Speaker 2>we haven't had as much of in season two, but

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<v Speaker 2>they definitely emerged as a rat with you know, the

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<v Speaker 2>President seemingly being a member of their their order and stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>I kind of voice concerns about what was going on

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<v Speaker 2>with stuff, But she's really emerged as as quite the villain.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and I think by showing her background and then

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<v Speaker 1>of course she's a villain, she's Canadian. But one of

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<v Speaker 1>my favorite lines in these last three episodes is her

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<v Speaker 1>getting the Bringer to during the wedding ceremony. She's staying there.

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<v Speaker 1>He tells him, he I think she did something to

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<v Speaker 1>I forget his name right now, Woody, Zach Cherry, Woody,

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<v Speaker 1>She's done something to Woody. She's he's not in thirty

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<v Speaker 1>one and I found his glasses and she's done this

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<v Speaker 1>and there's some sort of plan to hurt us all

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<v Speaker 1>and all this stuff and she's Canadian, and that's when

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<v Speaker 1>the crowd goes, oh no, yeah, so fun. It's just

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<v Speaker 1>so fun. Yeah, And just giving her backstory really made

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<v Speaker 1>her a full fledged, fleshed out character for me. For

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<v Speaker 1>the first time, I felt like she was kind of

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<v Speaker 1>she was always just like this mystery, something dark. We

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<v Speaker 1>knew she was from management all of that, but now

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<v Speaker 1>like we got an idea that she's this survivor, you

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<v Speaker 1>know that it's like willing to do anything for survival

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<v Speaker 1>and thinks of all of these people as her sworn enemies.

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<v Speaker 1>They're not humans, they're Americans. Her mom's said, don't think

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<v Speaker 1>of them as humans, think of them as Americans.

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<v Speaker 2>Right right. I think she said something to the effect of, like,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, grab on to the highest branch you can

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<v Speaker 2>and hold on to it for the coming flood, and

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<v Speaker 2>whatever you have to do to survive, don't don't sweat

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<v Speaker 2>it because you're going to be forgiven. So there was

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<v Speaker 2>a point where I was like, you know, maybe Woody's

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<v Speaker 2>still around. Maybe she's just detained him or done something

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<v Speaker 2>with him. But with the flashbacks and the reveals of

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<v Speaker 2>what she's capable of, how she just guts people left

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<v Speaker 2>and right and slits. So I don't think there's any

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<v Speaker 2>hope for for Woody unfortunately.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, She's haid a really interesting line. She's like the

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<v Speaker 1>floods come, just cling to the highest branch you can.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's exactly what we see when she gets to

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<v Speaker 1>Vegas and she meets Hank and meets all of them

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<v Speaker 1>and finds out there's this this group of Vault tech people,

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<v Speaker 1>and she does whatever she can to cling to the

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<v Speaker 1>highest branch, which is she's just a climber, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>she's a she's a status climber, and she clings to Hank,

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<v Speaker 1>which she's Hank's wife. What but Hank had to have

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<v Speaker 1>a different wife in the Vault. I guess like that

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<v Speaker 1>there's Lucy's Lucy's mom.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and we got a lot of revelations in season one.

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<v Speaker 2>I think she was just she was his wife in

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<v Speaker 2>the vault, was born in the vault, yes, learn about

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<v Speaker 2>what was going on outside, escaped with the kids, and

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<v Speaker 2>was killed in Shady Sands. Oh no, no, she was

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<v Speaker 2>a Ghoul in the final episode.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh wow, I didn't know, man, I really yeah, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>a little fuzzy on the details in season one. Overall,

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<v Speaker 1>I think the whole show that you mentioned season two

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<v Speaker 1>not reaching the height of season one. I think season

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<v Speaker 1>one was just so signature, the way in the in

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<v Speaker 1>the tone and the comedy, and the way the characters

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<v Speaker 1>were laid out with these very unique voices for each character,

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<v Speaker 1>and the Vaulties. There's such a good humor around the

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<v Speaker 1>Vaulties being so naive and Lucy stepping outside the vault,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think there's and the Gul being so just

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<v Speaker 1>hardened and evil, and I think there's like not really evil,

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<v Speaker 1>I wouldn't say, but like hardened and just hard hearted.

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<v Speaker 1>And I feel like there's just something about season two where,

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<v Speaker 1>just using using the Ghoul and Lucy as examples, they've

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<v Speaker 1>come towards each other, and the Gul, they start to

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<v Speaker 1>humanize him in a way where you're understanding his motivations

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<v Speaker 1>more and more, and Lucy is getting darker and darker

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<v Speaker 1>and like ready to do some pretty dark things, still

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<v Speaker 1>trying to be the good guy, but like it's almost

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<v Speaker 1>like the Gul wants to be the bad guy, but

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<v Speaker 1>he has this like nagging goodness within him, and she

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<v Speaker 1>wants to be the good guy, but she has these

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<v Speaker 1>reasons that keep pulling her to the darkness. And like

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<v Speaker 1>they've sort of moved towards each other in a way

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<v Speaker 1>that makes the contrast less stark between their two characters,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think that's and I think that goes for

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<v Speaker 1>like almost all of the plot lines in the beginning

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<v Speaker 1>with Max Maximus, he's I think of him in the

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<v Speaker 1>first season as like like a Mister Magoo type character.

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<v Speaker 1>He's the fool who keeps sort of like succeeding by

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<v Speaker 1>mistake and just sort of like he keeps kind of

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<v Speaker 1>he's fallen into this leadership role in uh with with

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<v Speaker 1>the what would helped me out the brother Yeah, the Brotherhood.

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<v Speaker 1>He's fallen this leadership role out there. And so this

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<v Speaker 1>season he's becoming a little wiser and so he's no

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<v Speaker 1>longer that cartoonish version. And I think part of what

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<v Speaker 1>made the first season so fun is they were realistic characters,

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<v Speaker 1>but they were also kind of car tuons, and this

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<v Speaker 1>season felt a little less cartoony, and I can't. I

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<v Speaker 1>can't hate on that. I think that's good. I think

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<v Speaker 1>it has to do that. I think it has to develop.

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<v Speaker 1>But I still find the lack of contrast to be

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<v Speaker 1>less fun, I guess. But there were a few moments

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<v Speaker 1>this season where that contrast was hit hard and I

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<v Speaker 1>loved it, particularly one of the best. It's just these

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<v Speaker 1>big concept moments the button in episode I believe It's six,

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<v Speaker 1>where Lucy has to decide whether to hit the button

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<v Speaker 1>to control those two guys are about to kill each other,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, and decide like are you going to control

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<v Speaker 1>people like your dad is. He's made his decision, he knows,

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<v Speaker 1>he believes this is the right thing. But you who've

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<v Speaker 1>studied all these book knowledge versions of ethics, you know

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<v Speaker 1>it's not right to control them, you know, but you're

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<v Speaker 1>watching them kill themselves, and can you keep your ethics

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<v Speaker 1>while that that. It's the kind of moments that I

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<v Speaker 1>felt like Season one was full of those big like

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<v Speaker 1>there's a big button, do you press it or do

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<v Speaker 1>you not? Let's have a conversation about it, And this

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<v Speaker 1>season felt a lot more just like we're in the wasteland,

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<v Speaker 1>things are moving towards a big ending, you know what

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think those are are fair and astute insights

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<v Speaker 2>and assessments, and I kind of hone in specifically on Maximus,

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<v Speaker 2>and I agree. I think part of what made him

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<v Speaker 2>so fun in season one is that he was a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit of a fool and just a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>happenstance in him getting lucky. One of the big changes

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<v Speaker 2>in season two that I became aware of is I

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<v Speaker 2>think in season one he was a little bit more

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<v Speaker 2>of like the I won't call him the player character,

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<v Speaker 2>because I do think that was Lucy, but in terms

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<v Speaker 2>of him being willing to, you know, do questionable things

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<v Speaker 2>and not be so trusting, I think that was placed

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<v Speaker 2>upon him, and in this season we just saw him

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<v Speaker 2>be a lot more heroic. He had the moment with

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<v Speaker 2>Kumal nan Jeohnny's character, he takes him out, but again

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<v Speaker 2>that feels heroic. He's yea to kill kids, And I

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<v Speaker 2>feel like a lot of that was transferred over to Lucy.

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<v Speaker 2>And to that end, I agree with you that she's

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<v Speaker 2>moving closer to the ghoule and as a byproduct, kind

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<v Speaker 2>of closer to where max was in season two. But

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<v Speaker 2>ultimately I think that's a good thing, because one of

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<v Speaker 2>with Lucy, she just kind of felt the same. It

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<v Speaker 2>was fun to see her on drugs and be a

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<v Speaker 2>little more willing to be violent. But really it came

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<v Speaker 2>to a head in these final three episodes with everything

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<v Speaker 2>you're talking about, like the moral dilemma that she's facing

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<v Speaker 2>acknowledging that the Legion is nothing but killers and doing

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<v Speaker 2>it for nothing. But she I love the line where

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<v Speaker 2>she tells him like you were her father. She says,

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<v Speaker 2>you were a good father to me because I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>a fudge and idiot. I can see through your manipulation

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<v Speaker 2>tactics right now and know that, you know, despite everything

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<v Speaker 2>you taught me, what you're doing now was insane. And

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<v Speaker 2>I really found it heartbreaking that she still saw this

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<v Speaker 2>goodness within her father and wanted to preserve some of

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<v Speaker 2>that through the amnesia. But he took that, he took

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<v Speaker 2>even that from her. There's there's just you know, oh.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, see I took that. I took that differently. You

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, she said she was basically going to reset him

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<v Speaker 2>to the father that she thought he was. Oh, I

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<v Speaker 2>think that's what happened, is what I got. He had

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<v Speaker 2>their hands. Yes, as I understand, he turned the dial

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<v Speaker 2>all the way up and gave himself full amnesia, because

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<v Speaker 2>he said to the level of amnesia.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, Well, the way I took that scene, I guess

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<v Speaker 1>it's I guess you could say it take it in

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<v Speaker 1>multiple ways. First of all, she says, I'm going to

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<v Speaker 1>turn into the father I thought you were. He knows

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<v Speaker 1>he's not had been that father in a long long time. Like,

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<v Speaker 1>there's no turning him back to the father she thought,

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<v Speaker 1>because he's did the say these jade sands thing happened

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<v Speaker 1>thirty years ago, you know what I mean? Or however

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<v Speaker 1>many years.

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<v Speaker 2>Ago roughly sounds right.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Yeah, that's about how old they are. So I

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<v Speaker 1>don't think there is any any spot on the dial

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<v Speaker 1>you could stop. But the big thing I thought he

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<v Speaker 1>I think she didn't want her. He didn't want her

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<v Speaker 1>to have to do that that was a dark like

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<v Speaker 1>she was struggling with it. And I think that the

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<v Speaker 1>actress who was playing Lucy completely owned that. Last episode,

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<v Speaker 1>she her her emotional her emoting and like just crying

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<v Speaker 1>was so real, just so so real. I was really

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<v Speaker 1>really feeling for her, and I think she knew she

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<v Speaker 1>thought the right thing to do was to reset this guy.

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<v Speaker 1>He's the dark one. He's the one who actually needs

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<v Speaker 1>to be reset. All these other people maybe not, maybe so,

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<v Speaker 1>but maybe not this guy. He has gone too far.

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<v Speaker 1>He needs to he needs to be undone. But that

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<v Speaker 1>that is still killing her own father. And I think

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<v Speaker 1>like that that control button she puts in episode six

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<v Speaker 1>is just two random guys who are bloodthirsty and they're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna kill everybody, kill each other. This is her killing

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<v Speaker 1>the man who raised her and like trolling his mind

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<v Speaker 1>and making his amnesia, like you know, make him forget everything.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think that he took his own control out

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<v Speaker 1>because he wanted to give her like get let her

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<v Speaker 1>not have that have that on her hands. I guess yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I do like that interpretation.

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<v Speaker 2>I think, hearing your take on it, I kind of

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<v Speaker 2>land somewhere in the middle. I do think he was

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<v Speaker 2>probably saving her from having to do something, but I

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<v Speaker 2>think he was also saving himself from that fate. Oh,

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<v Speaker 2>he didn't want to be a facade or a shell

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<v Speaker 2>of I mean, he ultimately ends up being a shell,

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<v Speaker 2>but that you know he did. I think the idea

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<v Speaker 2>of going back to thirty three and having to you know,

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<v Speaker 2>be the puppet that he was pretending to be all

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<v Speaker 2>those years, like, that's a fate worse than death to him.

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<v Speaker 2>But I I do like what you're bringing there, Like

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<v Speaker 2>he saved her from having to do this, Uh, this

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<v Speaker 2>basically a murder.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I love a physical sense and a mental sense.

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<v Speaker 1>For a character who's proven himself to be so dark,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, he's controlling in a way that is

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<v Speaker 1>completely unethical. That's that's the whole thing that she believes

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<v Speaker 1>he did one last loving act for her, And I

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<v Speaker 1>think it like makes this all very complicated because he

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<v Speaker 1>was willing to even control her, like he was about

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<v Speaker 1>to put a put a chip in her. That's when

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<v Speaker 1>the line is truly crossed, and she's willing to control

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<v Speaker 1>him too, Like at the end, like they are both

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<v Speaker 1>fully against each other. And I think that he really

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<v Speaker 1>didn't want I think that's a. I think it was

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<v Speaker 1>a loving act in the end, I think, but but

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I think you're you're right. The interpretation's open.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And I think that's what makes him such a

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<v Speaker 2>compelling character because at the end of season one, I

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<v Speaker 2>was just ready for her to blow his head off,

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<v Speaker 2>like just take him out like he deserves it. But

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<v Speaker 2>by the end of the season, even though he he's

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<v Speaker 2>very evil, capable of heinous, heinous things, I do think

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<v Speaker 2>in his heart of hearts, like he thinks what he's

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<v Speaker 2>doing is right. And that's just what makes him so compelling.

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<v Speaker 2>He thinks he is the hero and everything that he

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<v Speaker 2>everything he did, he did to protect her. He acknowledges

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<v Speaker 2>that he had to do on savory things, but he

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<v Speaker 2>has no regrets about that, And to you know, have

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<v Speaker 2>someone like that is just can't stand them, but have

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<v Speaker 2>to appreciate the the compelling nature of the character and

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<v Speaker 2>just how conflicted it does make Lucy.

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely yeah, yeah, I really loved all that. All of

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<v Speaker 1>that stuff was great, Like her performance is wonderful. His

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<v Speaker 1>performance is wonderful too. They're both always really good. And

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<v Speaker 1>I'm guessing he's probably gone from the show. I can't

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<v Speaker 1>They said it's irreversible. I can't imagine they're gonna keep

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<v Speaker 1>that that actor around to play a dumb down version

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<v Speaker 1>of himself. I'm assuming he's done.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it feels like his story has come to a conclusion.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe they'll throw him in a couple of the flashbacks

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<v Speaker 2>if Steph needs some context, you know, for yeah, oh

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<v Speaker 2>that's true. A little bit more, but yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>That's true. He the pre the pre war stuff. He

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<v Speaker 1>could still be there.

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<v Speaker 2>One thing you mentioned with season two being a little

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<v Speaker 2>less cartoony, I I do have to highlight Johnny Pimperton

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<v Speaker 2>as status, like he was such a great source of

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<v Speaker 2>comedy that was so good as you know, the stakes

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<v Speaker 2>were as high as they were, but everything from him

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<v Speaker 2>trying to relate with the ghoul, like we're just a

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<v Speaker 2>couple of ghouls, right, is this normal? He's got like

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<v Speaker 2>the little gaping moss starting to breathe in his collar dome,

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<v Speaker 2>which leads to his arm falling off. But yeah, his

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<v Speaker 2>as You've got the Free Siders all taking bets about

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<v Speaker 2>how long Maximus is going to last, and you have

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<v Speaker 2>people acknowledging, you know, if he dies, we're all next, right,

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<v Speaker 2>And these these bottle caps aren't going to mean anything.

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<v Speaker 2>But it's just just really good stuff. And I loved

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<v Speaker 2>the rooftop reveal with him using his toes to study.

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<v Speaker 1>One of my favorite lines for him in any of

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<v Speaker 1>these episodes. I see this can the second to last

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<v Speaker 1>or the last and they're they're in the desert and

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<v Speaker 1>the ghoul turns around like how did you get that?

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<v Speaker 1>Talking about the little device? And the ghoul has him

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<v Speaker 1>pulled down at gunpoint, you know, Uh, Fatty's Maximus and

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<v Speaker 1>uh Fattius goes all right before this escalates, maybe we

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<v Speaker 1>can all agree that he has a gun like that

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<v Speaker 1>means that that statement meant nothing. It was so fucking funny.

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<v Speaker 1>He just meant absolutely nothing. It's just let's all agree

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<v Speaker 1>he has a gun.

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<v Speaker 2>That is really funny.

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<v Speaker 1>It's so good. I will say that you you you

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<v Speaker 1>mentioned uh Maximus is becoming heroic, and I completely agree

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<v Speaker 1>with you, uh I, But I loved it. I think

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<v Speaker 1>it took me a while to understand what they're doing.

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<v Speaker 1>And he still was that kind of foolish, fearful guy,

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<v Speaker 1>just kind of running from thing to thing until he

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<v Speaker 1>does kill Camil Johnny's character. And then but the ending

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<v Speaker 1>when he shows up and fights so many death clause

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<v Speaker 1>and and gets the free siders like on his side,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, and he's like when he it was straight up,

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<v Speaker 1>I can do this all day. When he gets out

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<v Speaker 1>of the the mech suit and he's holding a freaking

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<v Speaker 1>rulette wheel as a shield and a spear, and then

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<v Speaker 1>the NCR shows up, like it was that was everything

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<v Speaker 1>I need from a good like escalating battle, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>like the hero getting torn down to nothing and then

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<v Speaker 1>you get I mean not to overstate the captain americaness

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<v Speaker 1>of it, but it's him standing there with a shield,

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<v Speaker 1>and then who's on his left the NCR, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>like we're on your left, We're here, And it really

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<v Speaker 1>just so so good that that it got me going,

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<v Speaker 1>like I got I got chill bumps when when the

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<v Speaker 1>NCR showed up for him.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, yeah, it was. It was such such a

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<v Speaker 2>great moment. And I really have to praise the production

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<v Speaker 2>value there between the power armor that he was rocking

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<v Speaker 2>and the death clause. I thought the death clause looked

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<v Speaker 2>so so good for a TV budget, and that was

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<v Speaker 2>really one of the moments that kind of embodied the

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<v Speaker 2>gameplay for my purposes. Like I remember, like you start

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<v Speaker 2>off the game, death claus are terrifying, Like you see

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<v Speaker 2>a death claw, you're you're heading for the hills. But

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<v Speaker 2>you get to a point where you can take on

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<v Speaker 2>a death claw relatively easy. You can take on two

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<v Speaker 2>death clause if you're feeling froggy, maybe three, but once

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<v Speaker 2>it gets to be more than that, it's just too

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<v Speaker 2>much to handle. So yeah, really great stuff. And yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>just the flashback to his father saying like you're a

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<v Speaker 2>good son and you're going to be a good man,

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<v Speaker 2>and the fact that he still holds on to that,

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<v Speaker 2>and flashbacks to the night from the Brotherhood of Steel

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<v Speaker 2>saving him but realizing it. I don't have to be

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<v Speaker 2>tied to that. There's there's there's something you know, bigger

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<v Speaker 2>to believe in in the NCR, which I have to

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<v Speaker 2>imagine there were going to be reveals in season three

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<v Speaker 2>that the NCR is not all that they're chocked up

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<v Speaker 2>to be, because that's just the way Fallout works. But

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<v Speaker 2>for the moment, like you said, yeah, it's such a swelling,

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<v Speaker 2>inspiring moment to have them arrive in the final hour

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<v Speaker 2>and say we got this.

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<v Speaker 1>It seems to me that the flaw, there's always a

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<v Speaker 1>flaw right, there's always flaw without refection. It seems to

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<v Speaker 1>me that the NCR was like a valiant good faction,

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<v Speaker 1>but there's just not enough of them, and there's they've

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<v Speaker 1>been've been destroyed. That's at least how they talked about

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<v Speaker 1>them throughout the season was they they haven't been around

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<v Speaker 1>in a long long time, and I love that, Like

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<v Speaker 1>Maximus stepping out in this NCR mech suit like inspired

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<v Speaker 1>the NCR to kind of come back and rally. And

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<v Speaker 1>they're all older because it's an older, older faction and

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<v Speaker 1>they haven't really been doing it. We saw them out

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00:21:43.920 --> 00:21:45.400
<v Speaker 1>in the desert with only two or three of them

420
00:21:45.480 --> 00:21:47.480
<v Speaker 1>saying like, we haven't seen anybody in a long time.

421
00:21:48.200 --> 00:21:51.640
<v Speaker 1>It feels so video gamey, these like guys standing in

422
00:21:51.640 --> 00:21:54.000
<v Speaker 1>the desert being like, yeah, it's been about twenty years

423
00:21:54.079 --> 00:21:55.279
<v Speaker 1>since we saw our friends.

424
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<v Speaker 2>Like, you know, never underestimate the power of brand recognition.

425
00:22:01.799 --> 00:22:06.599
<v Speaker 2>Son another great Thaddeus line.

426
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<v Speaker 1>When his arm falls off, he says, I seem to

427
00:22:09.200 --> 00:22:15.799
<v Speaker 1>be having a medical episode. He still wants to go.

428
00:22:16.119 --> 00:22:18.720
<v Speaker 1>He's like, I can figure it out, but I seemed

429
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<v Speaker 1>to be having a medical episode.

430
00:22:21.759 --> 00:22:24.000
<v Speaker 2>Why don't you set this one out? Bud and I

431
00:22:24.039 --> 00:22:27.359
<v Speaker 2>loved what finally got the freesider's attention. Is like he's

432
00:22:27.480 --> 00:22:29.359
<v Speaker 2>he's hooting and hollering, and when he just throws his

433
00:22:29.440 --> 00:22:32.400
<v Speaker 2>severed arm on the ground, that gets everybody's attention for

434
00:22:32.480 --> 00:22:33.160
<v Speaker 2>whatever reason.

435
00:22:38.759 --> 00:22:43.559
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's right, that's right. That's so funny. He like

436
00:22:43.640 --> 00:22:47.119
<v Speaker 1>throws it out there. Yeah, that's really good. Yeah. Oh man,

437
00:22:47.599 --> 00:22:50.160
<v Speaker 1>it's just a lot of fun stuff. I really liked

438
00:22:50.160 --> 00:22:52.640
<v Speaker 1>the golf cart stuff. Teaching her to drive the golf

439
00:22:52.720 --> 00:22:56.200
<v Speaker 1>cart was just silly and like a nice little father

440
00:22:56.319 --> 00:22:58.559
<v Speaker 1>daughter thing for the end of the world or whatever.

441
00:23:00.160 --> 00:23:04.160
<v Speaker 1>And yeah, I liked when he's talking. He's talking about

442
00:23:04.480 --> 00:23:07.319
<v Speaker 1>the deep ethics of what they're doing and how dare

443
00:23:07.359 --> 00:23:11.279
<v Speaker 1>you do this? And he's like, daddy's job is really complicated, sweetie.

444
00:23:14.200 --> 00:23:16.799
<v Speaker 1>He's just such an ass. And then he tries to

445
00:23:17.279 --> 00:23:19.839
<v Speaker 1>turn controller and he's like, you'll be my little girl again.

446
00:23:21.039 --> 00:23:21.319
<v Speaker 2>Right.

447
00:23:21.400 --> 00:23:23.839
<v Speaker 1>It's also dark and weird.

448
00:23:25.119 --> 00:23:28.200
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and and Kyle McLaughlin's you know, the perfect, perfect

449
00:23:28.240 --> 00:23:31.519
<v Speaker 2>guy for that role, oh for sure. Speaking of fatherhood

450
00:23:31.559 --> 00:23:34.400
<v Speaker 2>and messed up fatherhood, we haven't really talked about Norm.

451
00:23:34.839 --> 00:23:37.640
<v Speaker 2>I was I was kind of relieved when we finally

452
00:23:37.640 --> 00:23:39.480
<v Speaker 2>got an update on Norm because I remember when we

453
00:23:39.519 --> 00:23:41.799
<v Speaker 2>did the last episode of coverage, I was like, I

454
00:23:41.799 --> 00:23:43.839
<v Speaker 2>can't remember where we left off with Norm. I remember

455
00:23:43.920 --> 00:23:46.200
<v Speaker 2>him being strangled, but I don't remember where that concluded.

456
00:23:46.200 --> 00:23:48.519
<v Speaker 2>And it turns out that is where it concluded. Yes,

457
00:23:48.599 --> 00:23:51.039
<v Speaker 2>he was strangled to unconsciousness, and we pick up with

458
00:23:51.119 --> 00:23:52.240
<v Speaker 2>him right there.

459
00:23:52.200 --> 00:23:56.119
<v Speaker 1>Just still on the floor. Man. He tries to help,

460
00:23:56.400 --> 00:23:58.599
<v Speaker 1>he wants to help, like, he saves a couple of

461
00:23:58.640 --> 00:24:01.000
<v Speaker 1>the vaulties, and then they up running it into the

462
00:24:01.160 --> 00:24:05.480
<v Speaker 1>room and not letting him in. And I like Norm

463
00:24:05.559 --> 00:24:07.039
<v Speaker 1>a lot. I wish they would do a little more

464
00:24:07.039 --> 00:24:08.559
<v Speaker 1>with him. I'd like to because I feel like he

465
00:24:08.599 --> 00:24:11.440
<v Speaker 1>has just as much. I think if they'd given him

466
00:24:11.480 --> 00:24:14.079
<v Speaker 1>a little more to do this season, it might have

467
00:24:14.160 --> 00:24:17.480
<v Speaker 1>felt a little fresher because norms outside the vault for

468
00:24:17.519 --> 00:24:19.759
<v Speaker 1>the first time, and it felt like that was a

469
00:24:19.839 --> 00:24:22.839
<v Speaker 1>very side storyline, only a little bit, only a little

470
00:24:22.839 --> 00:24:25.519
<v Speaker 1>bit of movement forward. I mean him letting all of

471
00:24:25.559 --> 00:24:28.839
<v Speaker 1>the all of the managers out was pretty great. It's

472
00:24:28.839 --> 00:24:30.960
<v Speaker 1>a pretty great move and it's like, I think that's

473
00:24:30.960 --> 00:24:32.960
<v Speaker 1>a really interesting storyline, But I do feel like it

474
00:24:33.559 --> 00:24:35.000
<v Speaker 1>wasn't as explored as the others.

475
00:24:36.400 --> 00:24:38.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he was given significantly less screen time. I think

476
00:24:38.880 --> 00:24:41.079
<v Speaker 2>there were entire episodes where he didn't show up at all.

477
00:24:41.440 --> 00:24:47.039
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, I think so too. All Right, well let's

478
00:24:47.079 --> 00:24:54.079
<v Speaker 1>see I just got my notes now, McLaughlin saying talking

479
00:24:54.079 --> 00:24:57.160
<v Speaker 1>about the different factions, he's like, oh, you'll understand one day.

480
00:24:57.519 --> 00:25:01.039
<v Speaker 1>They all have their problems. High Tax is like, that's

481
00:25:01.039 --> 00:25:04.119
<v Speaker 1>the one he went to first, which just absolutely shows

482
00:25:04.119 --> 00:25:08.319
<v Speaker 1>he's a corporate man, you know, absolutely speaking of it

483
00:25:08.440 --> 00:25:14.480
<v Speaker 1>like a political satire. They needed a compliant not too

484
00:25:14.480 --> 00:25:18.599
<v Speaker 1>offensive but also not too effective, or someone who's gonna

485
00:25:18.680 --> 00:25:22.319
<v Speaker 1>like turn over the tables, uh, and or anything like that,

486
00:25:22.680 --> 00:25:27.680
<v Speaker 1>and they picked that senator's head to put on that mainframe.

487
00:25:28.200 --> 00:25:30.759
<v Speaker 2>I felt so bad for that woman. She was just

488
00:25:31.279 --> 00:25:33.599
<v Speaker 2>upon the entire season, and she's one of like the

489
00:25:33.720 --> 00:25:38.039
<v Speaker 2>truly good altruistic people out there. Yes, they use that

490
00:25:38.079 --> 00:25:41.240
<v Speaker 2>to her advantage. She's an istp personality and they're the

491
00:25:41.279 --> 00:25:44.440
<v Speaker 2>most malleable and ayahuable. So we're going to use her

492
00:25:44.480 --> 00:25:48.160
<v Speaker 2>for this purpose. And just her begging to be killed. Oh,

493
00:25:48.160 --> 00:25:50.480
<v Speaker 2>it was so Specie's hesitation. I was like, please, just

494
00:25:50.480 --> 00:25:53.559
<v Speaker 2>for the love of God, put her out of her misery. Yeah, like,

495
00:25:53.599 --> 00:25:55.799
<v Speaker 2>this is the person you're really gonna be like, why

496
00:25:55.880 --> 00:25:58.039
<v Speaker 2>does everyone want me to get which I I totally

497
00:25:58.079 --> 00:26:01.799
<v Speaker 2>sympathize with, but like, don't give this poor woman guff

498
00:26:02.160 --> 00:26:06.440
<v Speaker 2>just do it and then yeah, afterwards to do the thing.

499
00:26:06.839 --> 00:26:11.640
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you're You're totally right, And I do feel for

500
00:26:11.680 --> 00:26:13.319
<v Speaker 1>her a lot, and it was really sad when she's

501
00:26:13.359 --> 00:26:18.160
<v Speaker 1>o kill me. It was awful. But I the thing

502
00:26:18.200 --> 00:26:20.079
<v Speaker 1>that I thought was funny about it is I felt

503
00:26:20.079 --> 00:26:23.400
<v Speaker 1>like from the beginning she kind of represented so this,

504
00:26:23.400 --> 00:26:27.599
<v Speaker 1>this whole show is like corporate power versus like kind

505
00:26:27.599 --> 00:26:30.480
<v Speaker 1>of the good guys. And so I'm sorry, but I

506
00:26:31.079 --> 00:26:35.359
<v Speaker 1>view that through a right left lens. In today's politics,

507
00:26:36.119 --> 00:26:39.119
<v Speaker 1>they're both pretty corporatists, but like at least there's some

508
00:26:39.359 --> 00:26:42.720
<v Speaker 1>talk about raining and corporate power on the left and so,

509
00:26:43.519 --> 00:26:47.519
<v Speaker 1>but it's a constant thing in politics to point out

510
00:26:47.599 --> 00:26:52.680
<v Speaker 1>how like kind of ineffective and like not really making

511
00:26:52.759 --> 00:26:56.279
<v Speaker 1>progress the Democrats are, you know, And so I just

512
00:26:56.319 --> 00:27:00.319
<v Speaker 1>felt like a bit of a like political satire to

513
00:27:00.319 --> 00:27:03.400
<v Speaker 1>be like, we need someone who's just like not really

514
00:27:03.400 --> 00:27:05.759
<v Speaker 1>gonna be that effective and gonna tone this is t

515
00:27:05.920 --> 00:27:09.839
<v Speaker 1>P personality type. Let's just grab a random democrat. That's

516
00:27:09.839 --> 00:27:12.440
<v Speaker 1>what it feel like. To me, and I realized this

517
00:27:12.480 --> 00:27:15.359
<v Speaker 1>show doesn't have Democrats Republicans, but it still felt like

518
00:27:15.440 --> 00:27:15.839
<v Speaker 1>that to me.

519
00:27:17.119 --> 00:27:17.319
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

520
00:27:19.519 --> 00:27:21.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's really dark though. When she's the she's the

521
00:27:21.960 --> 00:27:22.680
<v Speaker 1>main frame.

522
00:27:23.799 --> 00:27:27.680
<v Speaker 2>Right, And I don't know that we saw like the

523
00:27:27.680 --> 00:27:30.799
<v Speaker 2>the ramifications of her being killed because she said, like,

524
00:27:30.839 --> 00:27:33.799
<v Speaker 2>if you kill me, it'll stop him. But do we

525
00:27:33.960 --> 00:27:37.279
<v Speaker 2>do we see any direct impact on like the people

526
00:27:37.319 --> 00:27:42.039
<v Speaker 2>that have been transformed via the box because the unless

527
00:27:42.240 --> 00:27:45.400
<v Speaker 2>to order the legionnaire is still under her control and

528
00:27:45.519 --> 00:27:48.920
<v Speaker 2>is like choking her at Hank's behest. So that's you

529
00:27:49.000 --> 00:27:50.119
<v Speaker 2>can install a hip, right.

530
00:27:50.200 --> 00:27:53.720
<v Speaker 1>So I'm not one hundred percent, but I think the

531
00:27:53.799 --> 00:27:56.759
<v Speaker 1>idea is they said it's irreversible, so I think like,

532
00:27:56.839 --> 00:27:59.680
<v Speaker 1>once you're right, you're right. Yeah. So she's like basically

533
00:27:59.720 --> 00:28:03.319
<v Speaker 1>down loading bits of her personality to all the people

534
00:28:03.319 --> 00:28:05.880
<v Speaker 1>when the button gets pressed, and then I think after

535
00:28:05.960 --> 00:28:09.400
<v Speaker 1>that they become little worker bees and then they can't

536
00:28:09.400 --> 00:28:11.920
<v Speaker 1>be turned back. Is I think he works?

537
00:28:12.680 --> 00:28:15.759
<v Speaker 2>So she's just effectively prevented any more from being made.

538
00:28:15.839 --> 00:28:19.640
<v Speaker 1>But I think so, although we know now from what

539
00:28:19.680 --> 00:28:21.279
<v Speaker 1>Hank's at the end that he sent a bunch of

540
00:28:21.319 --> 00:28:25.880
<v Speaker 1>them out into the world, which sets up a new

541
00:28:26.079 --> 00:28:29.599
<v Speaker 1>kind of secret faction for next season where there's Hank's

542
00:28:30.160 --> 00:28:33.160
<v Speaker 1>fingers are in some sort of weird pies out in

543
00:28:33.200 --> 00:28:36.480
<v Speaker 1>the wasteland right well, and not.

544
00:28:36.559 --> 00:28:38.799
<v Speaker 2>The mention of that. We have we talked a little

545
00:28:38.839 --> 00:28:40.960
<v Speaker 2>bit about the NCR already and I'm sure they'll be

546
00:28:41.000 --> 00:28:43.240
<v Speaker 2>a bigger player in season three and we'll you know,

547
00:28:43.440 --> 00:28:46.000
<v Speaker 2>learn both good things and bad things about them. But

548
00:28:46.000 --> 00:28:48.880
<v Speaker 2>we also have, like I mentioned, the Enclave and this

549
00:28:48.880 --> 00:28:52.400
<v Speaker 2>this phase two that's been triggered that's a big looming threat.

550
00:28:52.920 --> 00:28:55.480
<v Speaker 2>But we will talk about the post credit scene with

551
00:28:55.599 --> 00:28:57.759
<v Speaker 2>the Brotherhood of Steel, but I really want to talk

552
00:28:57.799 --> 00:29:02.880
<v Speaker 2>about Caesar Kaisar's lead and where we left off with them,

553
00:29:02.880 --> 00:29:06.480
<v Speaker 2>because they're marching on New Vegas with Mikulkin in the lead.

554
00:29:06.960 --> 00:29:10.160
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So I feel like we've got so many factions,

555
00:29:10.200 --> 00:29:14.960
<v Speaker 1>they're all kind of converging now into some big things happening,

556
00:29:15.119 --> 00:29:18.039
<v Speaker 1>And to be perfectly honest, it's a little too much

557
00:29:18.039 --> 00:29:19.839
<v Speaker 1>for me right now, Like I don't know the factions

558
00:29:19.839 --> 00:29:21.559
<v Speaker 1>well enough, and I kind of feel like there's just

559
00:29:21.640 --> 00:29:24.559
<v Speaker 1>a lot going on, and I don't the show feels

560
00:29:24.599 --> 00:29:28.599
<v Speaker 1>a little direction less, not direction less, more like a

561
00:29:28.599 --> 00:29:31.920
<v Speaker 1>lot of directions are being taken at once, and I

562
00:29:31.920 --> 00:29:33.839
<v Speaker 1>I feel like I have a good enough grasp of

563
00:29:33.880 --> 00:29:36.279
<v Speaker 1>the show that I'll be able to follow when it's happening.

564
00:29:36.319 --> 00:29:38.640
<v Speaker 1>But right now, I just don't really know where. It's

565
00:29:38.640 --> 00:29:40.640
<v Speaker 1>hard for me to predict what's happening next, you know,

566
00:29:41.880 --> 00:29:45.119
<v Speaker 1>with so many different which is not a bad thing,

567
00:29:45.279 --> 00:29:47.440
<v Speaker 1>but so many different things happening. And that's the thing

568
00:29:47.440 --> 00:29:49.200
<v Speaker 1>with Fallow There's all these factions and they all have

569
00:29:49.279 --> 00:29:53.599
<v Speaker 1>their own little things, their their own little goals. Did

570
00:29:53.640 --> 00:29:55.640
<v Speaker 1>we find out this season if does this show happen

571
00:29:55.720 --> 00:29:58.000
<v Speaker 1>before or after New Vegas?

572
00:29:59.000 --> 00:30:02.480
<v Speaker 2>I think given everything that happens, the intention that it's

573
00:30:02.480 --> 00:30:04.759
<v Speaker 2>supposed to be after the events of New Vegas, and

574
00:30:05.200 --> 00:30:08.160
<v Speaker 2>you know, with the games, it's very much choice driven,

575
00:30:08.279 --> 00:30:11.039
<v Speaker 2>so there are different endings for everybody's experience. But I

576
00:30:11.039 --> 00:30:15.559
<v Speaker 2>think they have committed to a particular canon ending there

577
00:30:16.079 --> 00:30:18.960
<v Speaker 2>with Robert House still being on a you know, a

578
00:30:19.000 --> 00:30:21.880
<v Speaker 2>player on the scene, Okay. I think for people that

579
00:30:21.920 --> 00:30:25.640
<v Speaker 2>are familiar with the story of Fallow out Vegas, I

580
00:30:25.680 --> 00:30:29.440
<v Speaker 2>think we're going with the Robert House ending, if you will, Okay,

581
00:30:30.640 --> 00:30:33.279
<v Speaker 2>player character basically is manipulated by Robert House to do

582
00:30:33.319 --> 00:30:35.359
<v Speaker 2>his bidding, like he says in the show, everyone eventually

583
00:30:35.359 --> 00:30:37.759
<v Speaker 2>works for me, right, and he we talked about all

584
00:30:37.759 --> 00:30:40.519
<v Speaker 2>these factions. He's still there. We see the flicker, even

585
00:30:40.559 --> 00:30:43.279
<v Speaker 2>though the screen says offline. You see pop up for

586
00:30:43.359 --> 00:30:48.039
<v Speaker 2>just a second while Maximus and Lucy's backs are turned.

587
00:30:48.920 --> 00:30:53.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there's there's us. The line he says, someone out

588
00:30:53.519 --> 00:30:57.119
<v Speaker 1>maneuvered me in controlling the world. So so there's still

589
00:30:57.240 --> 00:31:01.039
<v Speaker 1>just this mystery about like exactly what is the plan

590
00:31:01.440 --> 00:31:04.160
<v Speaker 1>and what happened, and they still really have We don't

591
00:31:04.200 --> 00:31:06.960
<v Speaker 1>know exactly what's going to happen that causes the world

592
00:31:07.240 --> 00:31:10.680
<v Speaker 1>the bombs to drop. You know, I take that.

593
00:31:10.880 --> 00:31:13.920
<v Speaker 2>I take that other player that he's referring to to

594
00:31:14.000 --> 00:31:18.000
<v Speaker 2>be the Enclave, because he talks about a faction releasing

595
00:31:18.039 --> 00:31:20.799
<v Speaker 2>the death clause on Vegas because the U he was

596
00:31:20.839 --> 00:31:23.640
<v Speaker 2>such a powerful player, and we know that the death

597
00:31:23.640 --> 00:31:27.720
<v Speaker 2>clause existed pre bombs because of the flashbacks with m

598
00:31:28.359 --> 00:31:33.079
<v Speaker 2>So that that's kind of where I was led. But

599
00:31:34.200 --> 00:31:36.839
<v Speaker 2>I think that's it's a fair observation that you're making

600
00:31:36.880 --> 00:31:39.680
<v Speaker 2>about the number of factions that are currently at play,

601
00:31:39.720 --> 00:31:41.720
<v Speaker 2>and it might be a little overwhelming, especially for people

602
00:31:41.720 --> 00:31:43.839
<v Speaker 2>who haven't played the games. But I have to imagine

603
00:31:43.839 --> 00:31:46.920
<v Speaker 2>there's going to be a fair amount of consolidation, whether

604
00:31:47.000 --> 00:31:49.720
<v Speaker 2>that's just like early on in season three, factions get

605
00:31:49.720 --> 00:31:52.039
<v Speaker 2>taken off the table very quickly, like I could see

606
00:31:52.160 --> 00:31:54.200
<v Speaker 2>like Kaizar's leisured and just being taken out.

607
00:31:54.480 --> 00:31:55.720
<v Speaker 1>Yeah for sure being a.

608
00:31:55.720 --> 00:31:57.839
<v Speaker 2>Big deal at all. But I think what's more likely

609
00:31:57.880 --> 00:32:00.359
<v Speaker 2>to happen is you're probably going to see, like I said,

610
00:32:00.359 --> 00:32:04.079
<v Speaker 2>some consolidation, probably some people pairing up and kind of

611
00:32:04.160 --> 00:32:07.240
<v Speaker 2>choosing sides. So you really do have maybe you know,

612
00:32:07.519 --> 00:32:11.480
<v Speaker 2>two three sides at the most. But another faction that

613
00:32:11.519 --> 00:32:13.640
<v Speaker 2>I kind of want to mention that was just teased

614
00:32:13.680 --> 00:32:17.880
<v Speaker 2>in one episode are the Supermutants. That's a huge part

615
00:32:17.920 --> 00:32:20.400
<v Speaker 2>of Fallout that we haven't really seen in this show,

616
00:32:20.480 --> 00:32:23.079
<v Speaker 2>but there is a I believe it was episode six.

617
00:32:23.200 --> 00:32:26.880
<v Speaker 2>After the Ghoul is impaled and abandoned by dog Meat,

618
00:32:27.359 --> 00:32:30.279
<v Speaker 2>he is saved by a mysterious figure that talks about

619
00:32:30.599 --> 00:32:35.599
<v Speaker 2>wanting to recruit him and it's Ron pearl Yeah, yeah, Supermutant,

620
00:32:35.759 --> 00:32:39.319
<v Speaker 2>which is a great call out because Ron Peerlman actually

621
00:32:39.359 --> 00:32:42.559
<v Speaker 2>lent his voice to fall Out New Vegas. He did

622
00:32:42.559 --> 00:32:45.880
<v Speaker 2>the opening narration. He starts the game off with war

623
00:32:46.000 --> 00:32:48.319
<v Speaker 2>never changes, which has been, you know, such a through

624
00:32:48.400 --> 00:32:51.640
<v Speaker 2>line throughout this show. It's it's the line that Cooper

625
00:32:51.759 --> 00:32:54.160
<v Speaker 2>uses on barbed to say, oh that's super corul.

626
00:32:54.079 --> 00:32:58.359
<v Speaker 1>Too, that's super cool, that's super super cool. Oh man, Yeah,

627
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<v Speaker 1>I'm put for it. Like I still don't really, So

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<v Speaker 1>the Enclave is just taking in all the information that

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<v Speaker 1>people are sending out. We saw that this episode, this

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<v Speaker 1>last episode with they got I believe Lucy's transmission, they

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<v Speaker 1>got Stephanie's transmission, and they get NORMS transis transmission, right,

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<v Speaker 1>So what is the Enclave? I think that's part of

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<v Speaker 1>my confusion. I still don't really understand who the Enclave is.

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<v Speaker 2>The Enclave is kind of like the shadow government, the Illuminati,

635
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<v Speaker 2>if you will, within the Fallout universe. So it doesn't

636
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<v Speaker 2>matter if it's America, Canada, China, Russia, they all have,

637
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<v Speaker 2>you know, people that are vying for powers and pulling

638
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<v Speaker 2>the strings behind the scenes. So I think ultimately when

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<v Speaker 2>we ask like who dropped the bombs, because Robert House

640
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<v Speaker 2>tells Scoop, hey, it wasn't me. You know, whatever happens

641
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<v Speaker 2>what's coming is not a byproduct of what I've done.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's where you look to the Enclave.

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<v Speaker 1>Pretty likely doc Clave, which goes back to I think

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<v Speaker 1>in season one when we first meet uh that I'm

645
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<v Speaker 1>forgetting his real name, but the actor who.

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<v Speaker 2>He's got a weird one like doctor Wizzig or something

647
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<v Speaker 2>like that.

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<v Speaker 1>The guy who plays Ben on Lost if you if

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<v Speaker 1>you're a Lost fan.

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<v Speaker 2>The doctor who gets his head cut off, thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's the one. Uh, he's heading to the enclave right.

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<v Speaker 2>Like in in that the fact he escaped the Enclave

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<v Speaker 2>with the cold fusion inserted into his neck with.

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<v Speaker 1>Ah, that's right. I just remember him being at the enclave,

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<v Speaker 1>so like he was part of the enclave. Yeah, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>So that is so sort of one of the inciting

657
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<v Speaker 1>incidents of the show, and we haven't really seen I

658
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<v Speaker 1>feel like, at least this season, we didn't see much

659
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<v Speaker 1>of the Enclave except for just they're still there hoof

660
00:34:44.199 --> 00:34:48.480
<v Speaker 1>and along listening, you know. So I wonder if that

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<v Speaker 1>being such an inciting incident of the show, it's gonna

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<v Speaker 1>come like you're saying, it's gonna come back around that

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<v Speaker 1>there're gonna be some of the more overarching big bads

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<v Speaker 1>of the show, likely the ones that dropped the bomb

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<v Speaker 1>or at least one of the possible play Yeah, it

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<v Speaker 1>makes a less sense. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, while we're talking about the Enclave, I

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<v Speaker 2>I just, you know, gave a call out to Ron

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<v Speaker 2>Perlman and how cool it was to see him operate

670
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<v Speaker 2>in a different capacity with a Fallout. But also the President,

671
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<v Speaker 2>who seems to be a member of the Enclave, was

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<v Speaker 2>played by the legendary Clancy Brown, who is also repurposing

673
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<v Speaker 2>a role from Fallout. In the original Fallout game, he

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<v Speaker 2>voiced state Brotherhood of a Knight of the Brotherhood of Steal.

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<v Speaker 1>It's super fun.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, I just kind of love how this show

677
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<v Speaker 2>is embracing all aspects, all aspects of the of the

678
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<v Speaker 2>universe and franchise.

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<v Speaker 1>M h. I really, I think before next season, one

680
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<v Speaker 1>of the ways I'm going to get involved and understand

681
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<v Speaker 1>the factions better is I kind of didn't want to

682
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<v Speaker 1>play New Vegas before this season because I wanted to

683
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<v Speaker 1>be kind of surprised by the world. But now that

684
00:35:47.800 --> 00:35:49.599
<v Speaker 1>I see what's happening now, I think I'll go back

685
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<v Speaker 1>and play New Vegas.

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<v Speaker 2>I think I may be wrong, but I think there

687
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<v Speaker 2>was an anniversary edition like recently announced.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, sweet yeah, sweet, All right, Well, I bet, I bet.

689
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<v Speaker 1>I wonder if they'll make like the goal playable or something,

690
00:36:05.519 --> 00:36:06.920
<v Speaker 1>or like him have him in there.

691
00:36:07.800 --> 00:36:11.239
<v Speaker 2>In Fallout seventy six, which is the most recent game

692
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<v Speaker 2>to be released, they added some like downloadable content or

693
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<v Speaker 2>the new part of the new season past or whatever

694
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<v Speaker 2>he is. I don't think he's a playable character, but

695
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<v Speaker 2>he's an NPC that you can interact with and like

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<v Speaker 2>do jobs with or whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh that's super fun. That's super funn Yeah, all right, Well,

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<v Speaker 1>anything else about this season before we get out of here?

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<v Speaker 2>No, no, I just again to the listener's apologies for not,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, being able to spread these out a little

701
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<v Speaker 2>bit more, but glad that we could cover it in

702
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<v Speaker 2>some capacity, and definitely looking forward to season three.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I really want to try to do all the

704
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<v Speaker 1>episodes next season. I think even in season one we

705
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<v Speaker 1>did like every other episode or something.

706
00:36:47.239 --> 00:36:48.719
<v Speaker 2>But we've heard him up at two at a time.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think I would be better. I would like

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<v Speaker 1>Let's let's face it, guys, I'm finally gonna admit it,

709
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<v Speaker 1>one of the reasons I podcast is because I'm bad

710
00:36:56.880 --> 00:36:58.960
<v Speaker 1>at watching TV and I need an hour to talk

711
00:36:59.000 --> 00:37:02.239
<v Speaker 1>about every episode. So that I can remember what's going

712
00:37:02.280 --> 00:37:05.719
<v Speaker 1>on when I try to watch five episodes and then

713
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<v Speaker 1>talk about it, having not talked in between each one.

714
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<v Speaker 1>How am I gonna remember five episodes of television? Come on,

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<v Speaker 1>It's not.

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<v Speaker 2>I had a similar thought. I was, you know, wonder

717
00:37:16.800 --> 00:37:18.400
<v Speaker 2>Man came out. It was so great, and I had

718
00:37:18.400 --> 00:37:20.000
<v Speaker 2>the flu when it came out, and the one like

719
00:37:20.119 --> 00:37:22.079
<v Speaker 2>silver lining to having the flu as I was able

720
00:37:22.119 --> 00:37:24.559
<v Speaker 2>to binge it like almost in one sitting. But then

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<v Speaker 2>I've kind of been going back and I'm like, I

722
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<v Speaker 2>remember the big swings, But how much of it do

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<v Speaker 2>I actually remember in my like fever dreams of having

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<v Speaker 2>the flu. I need to go back and rewatch some

725
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<v Speaker 2>of those episodes.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, I yeah, I that's we We did them

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<v Speaker 1>so quickly because we did all eight episodes and three

728
00:37:42.840 --> 00:37:45.880
<v Speaker 1>nights of podcasting. We did like I think two the

729
00:37:45.880 --> 00:37:47.960
<v Speaker 1>first night, three the next night, and then three the

730
00:37:48.039 --> 00:37:51.159
<v Speaker 1>last night and just like knocked him out and so

731
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<v Speaker 1>that was great. But John Iron's got to hop on

732
00:37:54.039 --> 00:37:55.360
<v Speaker 1>a few episodes. It was really fun.

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<v Speaker 2>But uh that guy.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, check out Captain Game Show. Everybody, let's plug Caat

735
00:38:00.039 --> 00:38:03.599
<v Speaker 1>in Game Show before we do our plugs. Yeah, so

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<v Speaker 1>it was. It was a good time, but uh, it

737
00:38:06.039 --> 00:38:08.840
<v Speaker 1>still feels like I watched it really fast, So I'm like,

738
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<v Speaker 1>did did get to talk in between each one? So

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<v Speaker 1>I have them pretty well pretty well locked in right now. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>Well let's uh, let's get out here, tell the people

741
00:38:19.000 --> 00:38:20.760
<v Speaker 1>that you got you got anything going on right now?

742
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<v Speaker 2>Well, you can always catch me over on Multiverse News,

743
00:38:24.039 --> 00:38:26.280
<v Speaker 2>the place where we talk about the latest and greatest

744
00:38:26.360 --> 00:38:29.360
<v Speaker 2>in movie and TV news, So check that out wherever

745
00:38:29.400 --> 00:38:30.159
<v Speaker 2>you get your podcast.

746
00:38:30.239 --> 00:38:31.960
<v Speaker 1>And then I do have.

747
00:38:31.880 --> 00:38:37.400
<v Speaker 2>Some appearances scheduled for Friend of the network, uh somewhat

748
00:38:37.639 --> 00:38:41.079
<v Speaker 2>frequent appear on the network. Sarah Day McDougal's other podcast,

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00:38:41.400 --> 00:38:46.679
<v Speaker 2>Book Watch. I'm gonna join them for some Hunger Games coverage.

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<v Speaker 2>We're gonna try and you know, get through the original

751
00:38:48.440 --> 00:38:50.719
<v Speaker 2>trilogy as as well as the more recent stuff. And

752
00:38:50.760 --> 00:38:54.880
<v Speaker 2>then uh project Hail Mary. I just I just finished

753
00:38:54.920 --> 00:38:56.679
<v Speaker 2>up that book and absolutely loved it and kind of

754
00:38:56.800 --> 00:39:00.360
<v Speaker 2>uh invited myself to talk about that one on that podcas.

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00:39:00.280 --> 00:39:02.719
<v Speaker 1>So awesome check it out. I'm about to start reading it.

756
00:39:02.920 --> 00:39:04.559
<v Speaker 1>I really really want to read it.

757
00:39:05.840 --> 00:39:07.639
<v Speaker 2>Well going on, I'm.

758
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<v Speaker 1>Also on Multiverse News every week, and I've got the

759
00:39:09.920 --> 00:39:13.800
<v Speaker 1>Marvel Cinematic Universe podcast every week, and we're right now

760
00:39:13.840 --> 00:39:18.320
<v Speaker 1>watching Starfleet Academy over on the Star Trek Universe, which

761
00:39:18.559 --> 00:39:22.840
<v Speaker 1>podcast things. I love it, man, I talk to you,

762
00:39:22.920 --> 00:39:25.480
<v Speaker 1>I gushed to you, I cried to you about the

763
00:39:25.519 --> 00:39:28.840
<v Speaker 1>episode before we started this podcast. But yeah, there's the

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00:39:29.559 --> 00:39:31.719
<v Speaker 1>if you were a Star Trek fan and you've been

765
00:39:31.800 --> 00:39:33.360
<v Speaker 1>kind of out of it for a while, I think

766
00:39:33.400 --> 00:39:38.719
<v Speaker 1>Starfleet Academy, like it's stylistically different. It is about teenagers

767
00:39:38.719 --> 00:39:40.960
<v Speaker 1>because it's the Academy, so like there's a lot of

768
00:39:41.119 --> 00:39:44.280
<v Speaker 1>things that people kind of have to get through. But

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<v Speaker 1>so far five episodes in that this fifth episode was

770
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<v Speaker 1>like transcendent for me, and if you're a Deep Sace

771
00:39:50.239 --> 00:39:54.239
<v Speaker 1>nine fan, it's particularly transcendent. It was so good. I wept.

772
00:39:54.840 --> 00:39:56.519
<v Speaker 1>I was so happy with the with the way they

773
00:39:56.519 --> 00:39:58.800
<v Speaker 1>did this fifth episode. And I've really been enjoying the

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<v Speaker 1>whole series. But episode five, if you're a DS nine fan,

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<v Speaker 1>So if you're a Star Trek fan, check that out

776
00:40:04.039 --> 00:40:07.079
<v Speaker 1>and check out the Star Trek Universe podcast. We'll be

777
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<v Speaker 1>talking about that and we'll be back soon.

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<v Speaker 2>Peace, We'll be watching.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you for listening to always watching a stranded Panda podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>If you dig this podcast and want to see what

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<v Speaker 1>else we do, go to strandedpana dot com for all

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks again,