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And if you want to rep and rock 95 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:49,680 some show gear, go to click the store link. I 96 00:04:49,680 --> 00:04:53,199 got a brand new design up called the Bringing It Down. 97 00:04:53,639 --> 00:04:56,720 And for those of you that will get the reference 98 00:04:56,759 --> 00:04:59,680 to Judge, an old New York hardcore band that had 99 00:04:59,720 --> 00:05:01,439 a big influenced on me when I was a kid, 100 00:05:01,759 --> 00:05:03,759 still does to this day. Mike was actually a guest 101 00:05:03,759 --> 00:05:06,279 on the show. I don't know the number off hand, 102 00:05:06,319 --> 00:05:07,920 but you can go back and check that out. So 103 00:05:08,279 --> 00:05:10,360 check that out. It's it's a rat design, it's a 104 00:05:10,399 --> 00:05:16,160 it's an homage to the Judge logo, and yeah, that's 105 00:05:16,199 --> 00:05:18,519 about it. This one is uh. We got my man 106 00:05:18,879 --> 00:05:22,279 John A. Nastas, who was an old Boston original Boston 107 00:05:22,319 --> 00:05:25,439 crew guy from the early eighties, was in the well. 108 00:05:25,720 --> 00:05:27,959 It's still in the band. Uy S was your original 109 00:05:27,959 --> 00:05:30,399 bass player for slap Shot. It's a good one, gonna 110 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:34,199 get into some punk rock history. So without further ado, 111 00:05:34,279 --> 00:06:01,399 check it out now, why. 112 00:06:03,240 --> 00:06:04,079 Speaker 2: We have a left. 113 00:06:05,600 --> 00:06:07,439 Speaker 4: Yes, once again we have lyft off and I want 114 00:06:07,439 --> 00:06:09,439 to thank you guys for tuning into this episode of 115 00:06:09,519 --> 00:06:12,079 The Big Truth Podcast. And I'm stoked today to be 116 00:06:12,160 --> 00:06:14,199 joined by my man, John A. Nastas, who you might 117 00:06:14,240 --> 00:06:19,800 know from the Mighty dys Old original Boston Hardcore. He 118 00:06:19,920 --> 00:06:23,000 was also the initial the og bass player of slap 119 00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:27,839 Shot and also has had a illustrious career and marketing, 120 00:06:27,879 --> 00:06:31,360 advertising and video game industry and crazy stuff like that. 121 00:06:31,480 --> 00:06:35,399 So so he's a man that covers all bases here. 122 00:06:35,439 --> 00:06:38,519 So also in the cool cool bikes and cars and stuff. 123 00:06:38,519 --> 00:06:41,800 So we'll have a ton to talk about. And John Man, 124 00:06:41,800 --> 00:06:42,839 thanks for coming on today. 125 00:06:43,480 --> 00:06:45,000 Speaker 3: Thanks for having me. I've been wanting to do this 126 00:06:45,040 --> 00:06:47,040 for a long time, so I really appreciate it. 127 00:06:47,279 --> 00:06:49,079 Speaker 5: Yeah, I know, I know we've I'm glad we finally 128 00:06:49,079 --> 00:06:49,720 got it together. 129 00:06:50,600 --> 00:06:53,720 Speaker 4: I'm only laughing because I know you're in sunny California 130 00:06:53,720 --> 00:06:56,040 and I'm like looking right above you out the window, 131 00:06:56,120 --> 00:06:58,519 and we got our first snow storm of the season. 132 00:06:58,560 --> 00:07:00,360 Speaker 5: So I'm like, God, damn, I'm just watching it. 133 00:07:00,399 --> 00:07:02,680 Speaker 4: And I'm like, I just shoveled, and I'm like, when 134 00:07:02,720 --> 00:07:04,560 I leave here today, I'm gonna have to shovel again. 135 00:07:05,519 --> 00:07:07,480 And I'm sure that amuses you very much, as you're 136 00:07:07,480 --> 00:07:09,639 gonna probably wearing T shirts and shorts and going out 137 00:07:09,639 --> 00:07:10,439 on a sunny day. 138 00:07:11,519 --> 00:07:15,079 Speaker 6: I don't miss Boston winters, that's for sure. I missed 139 00:07:15,079 --> 00:07:18,759 the change in seasons, yeah, but I don't miss the winters, 140 00:07:18,839 --> 00:07:22,079 you know. Like I drove a you know, a fifty 141 00:07:22,120 --> 00:07:24,439 year old car to the gym today, which I wouldn't 142 00:07:24,439 --> 00:07:26,959 have you know, if I'd lived in Boston that would 143 00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:28,560 have been tucked away until next summer. 144 00:07:28,639 --> 00:07:29,920 Speaker 3: So I'm very fortunate. 145 00:07:30,480 --> 00:07:32,480 Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. 146 00:07:32,519 --> 00:07:34,759 Speaker 4: I was in my fore Runner this morning, not the 147 00:07:35,000 --> 00:07:40,959 Impala because of that exact thing. So so, so what's 148 00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:41,399 going on? 149 00:07:41,519 --> 00:07:43,199 Speaker 5: Man? Like why don't we you know? 150 00:07:43,319 --> 00:07:46,759 Speaker 4: Because uh d US is such like a like a 151 00:07:46,839 --> 00:07:50,759 mighty influence on Boston and also just hardcore in general, 152 00:07:50,839 --> 00:07:53,959 you know, for you know, like that early eighties stuff. 153 00:07:54,040 --> 00:07:57,680 Like I'm always jealous because I I got into it 154 00:07:58,199 --> 00:08:00,079 like when I was like in middle school and like 155 00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:04,120 eighty five and in eighty six and stuff like that. 156 00:08:04,160 --> 00:08:06,120 And I first started going shows like I I saw 157 00:08:06,360 --> 00:08:09,319 your lineup of Slapshot, like some of the original shows 158 00:08:09,360 --> 00:08:12,800 and stuff at the Living Room in Providence and the 159 00:08:12,879 --> 00:08:17,079 Rat and all that. But what did even you know, like, 160 00:08:18,079 --> 00:08:20,560 kids growing up today have like a forty something year 161 00:08:20,879 --> 00:08:23,439 history of hardcore, but when you guys got into it, 162 00:08:23,480 --> 00:08:25,800 you know, it was it was brand new, like in 163 00:08:25,879 --> 00:08:27,680 punk and stuff. Punk was only around a couple of 164 00:08:27,720 --> 00:08:30,279 years and stuff like what even got you on that path? 165 00:08:30,360 --> 00:08:32,039 Like how did you even find your way into punk 166 00:08:32,039 --> 00:08:32,559 and hardcore? 167 00:08:33,240 --> 00:08:33,879 Speaker 3: So it's interesting. 168 00:08:33,919 --> 00:08:36,399 Speaker 6: I would say there's sort of two pads in one path. 169 00:08:36,720 --> 00:08:39,360 Is I used to go to this summer camp in Maine, 170 00:08:39,840 --> 00:08:41,759 And you say, how do you discover punk rock in 171 00:08:41,799 --> 00:08:45,240 a summer camp in Maine. This summer camp had disproportionately, 172 00:08:45,600 --> 00:08:48,679 for whatever reason, kids from Manhattan, and you know, I 173 00:08:48,720 --> 00:08:51,279 grew up on the Northshia of Boston. I lived in Cambridge, 174 00:08:51,360 --> 00:08:53,080 right next door to Boston. I think we thought we 175 00:08:53,080 --> 00:08:55,759 were reasonably sophisticated and we lived in a real city. 176 00:08:56,679 --> 00:09:00,000 And when I got to the summer camp, these kids 177 00:09:00,200 --> 00:09:02,120 were all like that were my age, all. 178 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:04,759 Speaker 3: Felt like ten years older, and they just knew stuff. 179 00:09:05,120 --> 00:09:07,240 Speaker 6: They just knew stuff that we didn't know in Boston, right, 180 00:09:07,279 --> 00:09:09,600 it was like pre Internet when anybody could know anything. 181 00:09:10,399 --> 00:09:14,200 And you know, as I'm becoming twelve, thirteen, fourteen, they 182 00:09:14,200 --> 00:09:17,519 start showing up with records, right, or showing up with 183 00:09:17,600 --> 00:09:22,159 like tattered copies of Cream magazine, or they'd like seen 184 00:09:22,200 --> 00:09:24,600 the Ramones at CBGB's because they had a fake ID 185 00:09:24,919 --> 00:09:28,240 or like whatever, and all that stuff started seeping in. 186 00:09:28,360 --> 00:09:29,600 Speaker 3: So that was like the first thing. 187 00:09:30,679 --> 00:09:33,600 Speaker 6: And because of that summer camp, I missed the first 188 00:09:33,600 --> 00:09:37,679 Black Flag show at the Paradise in Boston. But so 189 00:09:37,720 --> 00:09:42,600 summer's over, I come back to Boston, I'm, you know, struggling. 190 00:09:42,799 --> 00:09:44,960 I'm going to Ringing Latin and Cambridge. I'm kind of 191 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:47,440 If I'm into a subject, I'm super into it. If 192 00:09:47,480 --> 00:09:49,759 I'm not into a subject, I'm not into it. And this, 193 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:51,440 you know, I'm sort of struggling with school, and this 194 00:09:51,519 --> 00:09:54,840 guidance counselor sees how important music. 195 00:09:54,639 --> 00:09:55,000 Speaker 3: Is to me. 196 00:09:55,360 --> 00:09:59,360 Speaker 6: And you know, it's actually another guy who was sort 197 00:09:59,399 --> 00:10:03,240 of crucial, Richard's dad, Punky Richards. It's his dad who's 198 00:10:03,240 --> 00:10:06,679 my guidance counselor. And he gets me this high school 199 00:10:06,720 --> 00:10:09,799 internship at Newberry Comics. And so a couple of days 200 00:10:09,840 --> 00:10:11,720 a week, I take the bus across the river. 201 00:10:12,080 --> 00:10:13,840 Speaker 3: I you know, file. 202 00:10:13,639 --> 00:10:18,200 Speaker 6: Records, you know, put pricing labels on records, et cetera. 203 00:10:18,360 --> 00:10:20,639 And I start meeting people right because everybody's coming in 204 00:10:20,679 --> 00:10:23,600 and it turns into Saturday mornings, and Saturday mornings, I 205 00:10:23,600 --> 00:10:26,120 think I'm on shoplifting duty, and I think they like 206 00:10:26,159 --> 00:10:28,360 I was like placed on a milk crate by the 207 00:10:28,360 --> 00:10:30,440 front door, and I was just supposed to see like 208 00:10:31,200 --> 00:10:32,799 stealing records and try to stop them. 209 00:10:33,000 --> 00:10:34,080 Speaker 3: And that's when I start. 210 00:10:33,879 --> 00:10:37,919 Speaker 6: Meeting Alan, Jamie and everybody else. And I'm exposed to 211 00:10:38,519 --> 00:10:42,679 the records themselves. You know, if you think about Discord 212 00:10:42,720 --> 00:10:46,320 would ship like five soa seven inches in there, and 213 00:10:46,360 --> 00:10:48,159 I get one right because I was there when they 214 00:10:48,200 --> 00:10:48,679 unpacked them. 215 00:10:48,679 --> 00:10:49,320 Speaker 3: I was there when. 216 00:10:49,159 --> 00:10:51,559 Speaker 5: They yeah, first pick yeah. 217 00:10:51,559 --> 00:10:54,120 Speaker 3: And that is what got me into it initially. 218 00:10:55,039 --> 00:10:57,480 Speaker 4: Now is that that was the original one. There was 219 00:10:57,519 --> 00:10:59,919 the only the one Newberry Comics. Right before it turned 220 00:11:00,120 --> 00:11:01,919 into a local chain. 221 00:11:02,720 --> 00:11:04,559 Speaker 3: There was only the one. 222 00:11:05,159 --> 00:11:07,440 Speaker 6: The first prototype of reopening is at some point it 223 00:11:07,480 --> 00:11:10,399 started as just a comic store, hence the name they 224 00:11:10,399 --> 00:11:12,879 moved comic books across the street to give all the 225 00:11:12,919 --> 00:11:15,360 square footage. I think it was two sixty seven Newbery 226 00:11:15,559 --> 00:11:19,120 into Records. So the first expansion was just like dead 227 00:11:19,200 --> 00:11:21,200 across the street. They moved comic books. 228 00:11:21,600 --> 00:11:22,559 Speaker 3: But that was it. 229 00:11:22,600 --> 00:11:25,600 Speaker 6: And you know, it was interesting. I worked there with 230 00:11:25,679 --> 00:11:28,559 Amy Mann from till tuesday. I just saw her at 231 00:11:28,600 --> 00:11:30,159 a wedding in la I hadn't seen her in a 232 00:11:30,320 --> 00:11:32,919 super long time. It was great to catch up with her. 233 00:11:33,759 --> 00:11:37,240 But you know, a whole number of people worked their 234 00:11:37,279 --> 00:11:40,919 way through that store. Rich Richie Parsons famously worked at 235 00:11:40,919 --> 00:11:42,840 that store forever. I think he had a twenty five 236 00:11:42,919 --> 00:11:44,200 year career there or something. 237 00:11:44,320 --> 00:11:48,320 Speaker 5: But yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. 238 00:11:48,360 --> 00:11:50,840 Speaker 4: And I mean, you know, for any you know, we're 239 00:11:50,840 --> 00:11:53,559 talking local stuff, but anyone that's been anywhere near Massachusetts 240 00:11:53,600 --> 00:11:56,039 knows what Newberry Comics is. It's like the spot like 241 00:11:56,080 --> 00:12:00,279 that probably is more responsible for the growing of punk 242 00:12:00,360 --> 00:12:03,879 rock and hardcore and metal and stuff in Massachusetts than 243 00:12:03,960 --> 00:12:06,759 any other store there. It was like even when I 244 00:12:06,759 --> 00:12:08,480 was a kid, I grew up in New Bedford, but 245 00:12:08,519 --> 00:12:10,399 it was like we would take the pilgrimage right like, 246 00:12:10,519 --> 00:12:12,159 get on the bus, get up there. 247 00:12:12,200 --> 00:12:13,279 Speaker 5: So that we could buy records. 248 00:12:13,279 --> 00:12:15,559 Speaker 4: We'd hit there second, come in you know, all this 249 00:12:15,720 --> 00:12:19,600 all the spot and uh, you know, or go to 250 00:12:19,639 --> 00:12:21,600 the show and hopefully have enough money to get a 251 00:12:21,639 --> 00:12:25,240 seven inch or something or whatever while we're at the show. Yeah, 252 00:12:25,320 --> 00:12:29,799 I mean, it's it's weird because I haven't thought about sounds. Weird. 253 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:32,120 I haven't thought about numeric comics and so long I 254 00:12:32,120 --> 00:12:34,399 haven't been in the last time I've been in it. 255 00:12:34,399 --> 00:12:36,799 It's kind of morphed into like what Spencer Gifts was. 256 00:12:38,000 --> 00:12:40,759 Speaker 6: Because obviously, yeah, because record sales are down, right, So 257 00:12:40,840 --> 00:12:44,639 now it's now it's the vinyl figure, the T shirt. 258 00:12:44,919 --> 00:12:46,120 Speaker 5: And the comics are heavy again. 259 00:12:46,200 --> 00:12:48,399 Speaker 6: Yeah stuff and the comics are heavy again, right because 260 00:12:48,399 --> 00:12:52,200 physical products just isn't products sort of like physical product 261 00:12:52,240 --> 00:12:54,559 has become the T shirt for you know a large 262 00:12:54,600 --> 00:12:57,799 number of genres in essence right where you know, where 263 00:12:57,799 --> 00:13:00,720 Taylor Swift does to top the charts now is actually 264 00:13:00,720 --> 00:13:02,919 an old rocket you know, punk rock play, which is like, 265 00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:05,279 you know, seven different colors of the vinyl and the 266 00:13:05,320 --> 00:13:07,399 super fan buys all seven of them. Like that's the 267 00:13:07,440 --> 00:13:09,679 Taylor Swift fan now. But when we were growing up, 268 00:13:10,039 --> 00:13:12,480 that was the punk rock model, right, like, yeah, kiss 269 00:13:12,559 --> 00:13:15,159 wasn't putting out seven different colors of vinyl, right, it 270 00:13:15,200 --> 00:13:15,440 was like. 271 00:13:15,480 --> 00:13:16,519 Speaker 3: Only punk rock bands. 272 00:13:16,559 --> 00:13:19,360 Speaker 4: Well they didn't need to back then, right, Like yeah, 273 00:13:19,399 --> 00:13:21,759 like you if you assigned on a major label, there 274 00:13:21,840 --> 00:13:23,879 was no they didn't even need that, you know, that 275 00:13:24,519 --> 00:13:25,000 is true. 276 00:13:25,320 --> 00:13:26,759 Speaker 6: And then also, by the way, it was worth pointing 277 00:13:26,759 --> 00:13:29,919 out the Cars opened to recording studio a block up 278 00:13:29,960 --> 00:13:32,720 the street, and so like that was the thing, right. 279 00:13:32,759 --> 00:13:34,639 I remember when The Bad Brains recorded their album with 280 00:13:34,679 --> 00:13:35,440 the Cars studio. 281 00:13:35,559 --> 00:13:35,960 Speaker 3: It's like that. 282 00:13:36,039 --> 00:13:38,639 Speaker 6: It just those couple of blocks in Newberry Street just 283 00:13:38,679 --> 00:13:40,519 had an alternative vibe. 284 00:13:40,600 --> 00:13:40,720 Speaker 5: Right. 285 00:13:40,759 --> 00:13:43,360 Speaker 6: There was like secondhand clothing stores that also sold like 286 00:13:43,399 --> 00:13:46,320 studded wristbands and you know, punk rock gear. 287 00:13:46,440 --> 00:13:47,919 Speaker 5: So you made the. 288 00:13:47,879 --> 00:13:50,679 Speaker 6: Pilgrimage from New Bedford. I made the pilgrimage from across 289 00:13:50,759 --> 00:13:53,120 the river in Cambridge. People would just you know it 290 00:13:53,320 --> 00:13:57,559 Saturday between like ten and four, that's where people were, 291 00:13:57,600 --> 00:13:59,279 and then you know at five o'clock they'd moved to 292 00:13:59,320 --> 00:14:02,519 Kenmore Square, right, But that was just what we did. 293 00:14:03,320 --> 00:14:03,840 Speaker 5: Yeah. 294 00:14:03,879 --> 00:14:06,559 Speaker 4: And then uh, it's funny too because yeah, because uh, 295 00:14:07,200 --> 00:14:08,759 you know, rick A Cask and the guys from the 296 00:14:08,759 --> 00:14:11,480 Cars had a lot to do, like helped punkin and 297 00:14:11,480 --> 00:14:14,679 stuff a lot too in those days. And I the drummer, 298 00:14:14,759 --> 00:14:16,720 and I feel bad because I forget his name because 299 00:14:16,720 --> 00:14:18,320 he's a really good dude. Because we were talking for 300 00:14:18,320 --> 00:14:20,080 a while. He wanted us to build him a triumph 301 00:14:20,080 --> 00:14:22,799 because he's a he's into super into triumphs and stuff, 302 00:14:22,840 --> 00:14:24,840 and I always thought it would be cool, but we 303 00:14:24,919 --> 00:14:29,039 just never got it together. But but yeah, man, there 304 00:14:29,080 --> 00:14:35,039 was Boston music gets I feel it's very underrated, like 305 00:14:35,120 --> 00:14:36,600 you know what I mean, because because we're such in 306 00:14:36,639 --> 00:14:40,279 the shadow of New York even though even though, like 307 00:14:41,159 --> 00:14:43,480 you know, especially even like in the eighties and stuff, 308 00:14:43,519 --> 00:14:46,919 not now because everything's more global now, but back then, 309 00:14:47,080 --> 00:14:50,000 like a lot of hits and a lot of you know, 310 00:14:50,120 --> 00:14:52,559 comedy and music were big in Boston, but we just 311 00:14:52,600 --> 00:14:56,080 got so overshadowed by the by New York City, and 312 00:14:56,360 --> 00:14:58,759 you know, we contributed a lot, you know. 313 00:14:59,279 --> 00:15:01,639 Speaker 6: Totally if you think about that time a hardcore show 314 00:15:01,679 --> 00:15:05,279 peaked at the Channel, which is what fifteen hundred cap right, like, 315 00:15:06,240 --> 00:15:08,759 and you you know, and SSD would make a pilgrimage 316 00:15:08,799 --> 00:15:11,519 to play Santa Monica Civic Center in La right, which 317 00:15:11,559 --> 00:15:15,279 is like three times the size it yes, you know, 318 00:15:15,360 --> 00:15:19,679 the entire record business was in New York, and you know, 319 00:15:19,759 --> 00:15:21,320 the scale was in LA. 320 00:15:21,440 --> 00:15:23,960 Speaker 3: And you know, we we had our thing. 321 00:15:24,080 --> 00:15:26,320 Speaker 6: But I think as we started going to those other cities, 322 00:15:26,720 --> 00:15:28,320 and I think that's why so many of us ended 323 00:15:28,399 --> 00:15:30,440 up being drawn to those cities, right Like, so many 324 00:15:30,480 --> 00:15:33,440 people ended up moving to New York, moving to LA 325 00:15:34,600 --> 00:15:38,039 for the scale, for the opportunity, for all that stuff, you. 326 00:15:38,000 --> 00:15:44,720 Speaker 4: Know, yeah, oh yeah, yeah. And you know it's also 327 00:15:44,759 --> 00:15:48,159 in order to escape the people La, to escape the weather, 328 00:15:48,240 --> 00:15:51,440 right or yes, where are you? Were you in San Diego? 329 00:15:52,159 --> 00:15:55,879 Speaker 3: No, I'm in La proper. I'm just east of Hollywood. 330 00:15:56,360 --> 00:16:00,080 Speaker 5: Okay, all right, nice house things going out there. Now. 331 00:16:00,600 --> 00:16:03,879 I know, post COVID, the world a very different place. 332 00:16:04,720 --> 00:16:07,000 Speaker 3: LA is a very different place. So you know, everything 333 00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:07,879 works in cycles. 334 00:16:07,960 --> 00:16:11,919 Speaker 6: I moved to LA in the mid nineties, mid late nineties, 335 00:16:12,120 --> 00:16:16,159 and La was rough, right like, you know, if you 336 00:16:16,159 --> 00:16:18,639 think about that opening scene from Pretty Woman, right like, 337 00:16:18,720 --> 00:16:22,080 it was literally like that, right, pimps and hookers walking 338 00:16:22,120 --> 00:16:26,279 the streets and it wasn't safe. And I used to 339 00:16:26,320 --> 00:16:29,960 box at Mickey Rourke's boxing gym, and one day I'd 340 00:16:29,960 --> 00:16:32,000 show up there and they'd be like nine bullet holes 341 00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:35,480 in the door. You know, I was leaving there one 342 00:16:35,559 --> 00:16:40,200 day and like some tweaked out, like you know, white 343 00:16:40,279 --> 00:16:42,519 dude tries to get in my car to stop late. 344 00:16:42,759 --> 00:16:44,159 Speaker 3: Right like it was, it. 345 00:16:44,080 --> 00:16:49,679 Speaker 6: Was bad, and La got a lot better, and COVID 346 00:16:49,799 --> 00:16:55,000 kind of turned it back again. Sadly, you know, it 347 00:16:55,080 --> 00:16:57,360 feels like the nineties again. You know, I in the 348 00:16:57,399 --> 00:17:01,879 thick of COVID. I'm driving my son to preschool in Hollywood, 349 00:17:01,960 --> 00:17:03,840 like literally in Hollywood, and I'm ever in here. 350 00:17:03,840 --> 00:17:06,480 Speaker 3: It's like, Daddy, why are those two guys fighting? Daddy? 351 00:17:06,519 --> 00:17:09,400 Why is that lady naked? Daddy? Why is that guy 352 00:17:09,400 --> 00:17:14,079 pooping on the street. I mean, it was like literally wild, yeah, you. 353 00:17:14,039 --> 00:17:18,440 Speaker 6: Know, and then unfortunately, you know, we've got the Hollywood layoffs, 354 00:17:18,559 --> 00:17:21,759 We've got you know, we had the fires. 355 00:17:22,680 --> 00:17:25,440 Speaker 3: So you know, Elis had a string of bad luck 356 00:17:25,519 --> 00:17:25,920 for sure. 357 00:17:26,039 --> 00:17:28,839 Speaker 6: Like I travel a lot, and I'm always interested in 358 00:17:28,960 --> 00:17:32,519 like what cities are gaining energy and losing energy, you know, 359 00:17:32,759 --> 00:17:34,279 and at the worst of it, it sort of felt 360 00:17:34,279 --> 00:17:37,160 like San Francisco was last, and now it kind of 361 00:17:37,160 --> 00:17:38,400 feels like La is last. 362 00:17:38,480 --> 00:17:42,079 Speaker 4: Sadly, yeah, yeah, no, That's that's why I was asking 363 00:17:42,119 --> 00:17:44,200 what the climate's like that, you know. And the unfortunate 364 00:17:44,279 --> 00:17:47,160 thing too, is that it's like reverting in that way, 365 00:17:47,240 --> 00:17:49,599 but the prices are still crazy. 366 00:17:49,640 --> 00:17:51,960 Speaker 3: Oh dude, it's because I. 367 00:17:52,000 --> 00:17:54,599 Speaker 4: Consider moving La years ago, because I remember you can 368 00:17:54,640 --> 00:17:58,160 get apartments in Hollywood like fairly cheap, like compts to Boston, 369 00:17:58,359 --> 00:17:59,759 and then all of a sudden I went back and 370 00:17:59,759 --> 00:18:01,640 I was like, They're like, nah, no, it's like two grand, 371 00:18:01,720 --> 00:18:02,119 three grand. 372 00:18:02,200 --> 00:18:03,920 Speaker 5: I was like, that problem was like six hundred. 373 00:18:03,680 --> 00:18:07,440 Speaker 6: Bucks, dude, when I so the old thing that you 374 00:18:07,519 --> 00:18:08,599 used to have to do in New York and you 375 00:18:08,640 --> 00:18:10,480 probably do. It's like when I first moved to New 376 00:18:10,559 --> 00:18:14,440 York right after college, you ended up splitting a one 377 00:18:14,440 --> 00:18:16,839 bedroom with somebody because prices were like that, right, So 378 00:18:17,240 --> 00:18:19,559 you know, somebody took the living room, somebody took the bedroom, 379 00:18:19,559 --> 00:18:21,599 and the only common space was the bathroom in the kitchen. 380 00:18:22,400 --> 00:18:24,720 Speaker 3: And I remember being so excited that when. 381 00:18:24,599 --> 00:18:28,000 Speaker 6: I first moved to La, a whole apartment that was 382 00:18:28,039 --> 00:18:31,000 like just mine was the same price as my half 383 00:18:31,000 --> 00:18:32,119 a New York one bedroom. 384 00:18:32,279 --> 00:18:35,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, those days are over right. 385 00:18:35,480 --> 00:18:38,759 Speaker 6: I mean, I think technically La is still a little 386 00:18:38,799 --> 00:18:40,599 cheaper than New York with the gap isn't what it 387 00:18:40,759 --> 00:18:45,119 was in the height of COVID, San Francisco got cheaper 388 00:18:45,160 --> 00:18:47,559 than LA but now because of all the AI money, 389 00:18:47,599 --> 00:18:53,440 that's changed radically. But I feel for anybody trying to 390 00:18:53,480 --> 00:18:56,559 like build a life here, you know, like I've been 391 00:18:56,799 --> 00:19:01,519 very fortunate in life, but like it feels harder for 392 00:19:01,640 --> 00:19:03,119 me than it did ten years. 393 00:19:04,200 --> 00:19:06,319 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think everyone's feeling the pinch no matter where 394 00:19:06,319 --> 00:19:10,400 they are, So do U. I ask, man, like what 395 00:19:10,440 --> 00:19:12,079 made you pick up a bass? And like how did 396 00:19:12,119 --> 00:19:14,559 you find your way into like getting doing a band? 397 00:19:14,640 --> 00:19:15,240 Speaker 5: You know what I mean? 398 00:19:15,319 --> 00:19:18,720 Speaker 4: Like we'll jump around a little bit. I know you're 399 00:19:18,759 --> 00:19:23,000 on a timetable, but but yeah, man, like what what? What? 400 00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:24,839 Speaker 5: What made you decide? You're like, hey, man, I want 401 00:19:24,839 --> 00:19:25,759 to pick up the bass. 402 00:19:25,880 --> 00:19:27,519 Speaker 6: And then what made me pick up the basses? I 403 00:19:27,519 --> 00:19:31,400 didn't think I'd be good enough for guitar or guitar 404 00:19:31,440 --> 00:19:35,440 seemed too daunting. And what made me do punk rock 405 00:19:35,599 --> 00:19:39,720 is like it was like I've told this story too much, 406 00:19:39,759 --> 00:19:41,559 so I should stop telling it. But like I'm super 407 00:19:41,559 --> 00:19:43,559 an aerosmith because every kid in Boston of that era 408 00:19:43,680 --> 00:19:47,279 wants to be either Steven Tyler or Joe Perry or 409 00:19:47,319 --> 00:19:50,960 both right, and like the thought of like figuring out 410 00:19:50,960 --> 00:19:53,480 how to play Seasons of Wither when you're like twelve 411 00:19:53,480 --> 00:19:58,359 and you're me is like impossible. And I think I 412 00:19:58,440 --> 00:20:03,079 bought There's the Ramones Live in London record, and I 413 00:20:03,079 --> 00:20:04,920 think for the first time, like over the course of 414 00:20:04,920 --> 00:20:09,039 the weekend, I learned like half the record. I was like, oh, 415 00:20:09,119 --> 00:20:13,720 maybe this isn't totally impossible, Maybe this isn't totally unreachable, 416 00:20:14,680 --> 00:20:16,839 you know, And that's what started, is like finding a 417 00:20:16,880 --> 00:20:19,880 group of friends and like being able to like bang out, 418 00:20:19,960 --> 00:20:23,200 like you know, Sheena is a punk rocker, right, because 419 00:20:23,200 --> 00:20:25,680 it was like accessible and the energy was great and 420 00:20:25,799 --> 00:20:29,759 all that stuff. And I'm glad I stuck with bass 421 00:20:29,759 --> 00:20:33,160 because you know, I get better, but I'm still not, like, 422 00:20:33,920 --> 00:20:38,839 you know, you play with Craig Silverman, who you know, 423 00:20:38,920 --> 00:20:39,960 I think is like one of. 424 00:20:39,880 --> 00:20:40,759 Speaker 3: The great journeymen. 425 00:20:40,880 --> 00:20:42,640 Speaker 6: Like he may be I'm gonna go out on a 426 00:20:42,720 --> 00:20:46,759 limb here, he may be considered in his time the 427 00:20:46,839 --> 00:20:49,200 Steve Jones of hardcore. And what I mean by that 428 00:20:49,319 --> 00:20:53,000 is like Steve Jones is considered the greatest underrated meat 429 00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:55,000 and Potatoes kind of like and I mean meat and 430 00:20:55,039 --> 00:20:59,519 potatoes good way guitar player. And I think Craig is 431 00:20:59,519 --> 00:21:02,480 going to be the Steve Jones of hardcore, where people 432 00:21:02,519 --> 00:21:04,400 are going to look back and be like, dude, you're 433 00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:09,240 in the pocket always right, like you're like your strumming 434 00:21:09,240 --> 00:21:10,920 hand is on point. 435 00:21:12,079 --> 00:21:15,079 Speaker 4: And beyond that, like his writing, Like if he's writing, 436 00:21:15,559 --> 00:21:17,640 if he's writing a Blood for Blood song, it sounds 437 00:21:17,640 --> 00:21:20,240 like a Blood for Blood song. Agnostic Front song sounds 438 00:21:20,279 --> 00:21:22,400 like a Gnostic front. A wom Machine sounds like wol machine. 439 00:21:22,480 --> 00:21:24,839 The you know, the flap shot sounds like slapshot. When 440 00:21:25,240 --> 00:21:27,279 he can he can write full of the bands like 441 00:21:27,440 --> 00:21:31,480 and carry the sound. And that's that's a whole other talent. 442 00:21:31,559 --> 00:21:35,319 You know that That is like a gift, you know 443 00:21:35,319 --> 00:21:37,519 what I mean? I think you know more than something 444 00:21:37,519 --> 00:21:38,839 you can learn, you know, right. 445 00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:40,960 Speaker 6: But my point is that is I am not the 446 00:21:41,039 --> 00:21:45,240 Craig Silverman of her right, and what I was ended 447 00:21:45,279 --> 00:21:48,799 up being great about bass is and I'm probably giving 448 00:21:48,799 --> 00:21:50,359 myself too much credit. Even in this way, I could 449 00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:54,119 become the flavor flav of hardcore, right, like my thing 450 00:21:54,200 --> 00:21:58,200 became performing more than playing yeah yeah, and also became 451 00:21:58,240 --> 00:22:01,000 a lost me in my career, like marketing more than 452 00:22:01,039 --> 00:22:03,200 playing right, Like I was always the guy like what 453 00:22:03,319 --> 00:22:06,359 order should we play the songs? You know, like what 454 00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:08,799 should the backline look like? What should the tour poster 455 00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:11,119 look like? What what should the records look like? 456 00:22:11,119 --> 00:22:11,200 Speaker 5: Like? 457 00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:13,720 Speaker 3: That kind of became my contribution. 458 00:22:15,359 --> 00:22:15,559 Speaker 5: You know. 459 00:22:15,599 --> 00:22:17,480 Speaker 6: If you think about like a band, somebody's the writer, 460 00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:20,839 you know, somebody's good at Like that ended up being 461 00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:22,880 what I was good at, or at least I think. 462 00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:25,480 Speaker 4: Someone's the book an agent, someone someone's the uh, the 463 00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:29,440 the art director or the marketing man, you. 464 00:22:29,400 --> 00:22:31,160 Speaker 3: Know, labels and I had. 465 00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:35,039 Speaker 6: I did a kind of solo friend project that I 466 00:22:35,079 --> 00:22:37,960 released in twenty twenty four called Disbanded. 467 00:22:38,039 --> 00:22:39,599 Speaker 3: We're Way More rock and roll, and. 468 00:22:39,559 --> 00:22:41,400 Speaker 6: I get to play guitar for the first time because 469 00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:44,000 it was my thing and straight up rhythm guitar if 470 00:22:44,039 --> 00:22:45,960 you lead on there is somebody else. But it was 471 00:22:46,359 --> 00:22:48,960 it was fun this many years later to be like, Okay, 472 00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:51,440 I can play semi credible rock and roll. 473 00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:56,640 Speaker 4: Rhythm guitar, so so, but yeah, all right, but like, 474 00:22:57,079 --> 00:22:59,759 how did how did dys Like how did go from 475 00:22:59,799 --> 00:23:01,519 you picking up a bass and in your room and 476 00:23:01,640 --> 00:23:05,240 learning the Ramones records to like getting dys going, And like, 477 00:23:05,279 --> 00:23:07,119 how did how did DYS form or how did you 478 00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:07,599 get in that? 479 00:23:07,759 --> 00:23:09,119 Speaker 5: And tell the story? 480 00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:13,799 Speaker 6: Is that sure, it became just like SSD is the nucleus, 481 00:23:14,359 --> 00:23:16,680 and then all these bands just sort of like organically 482 00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:17,559 splintered off it. 483 00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:21,039 Speaker 3: Right, It was like last Rites Negative Effects. 484 00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:25,559 Speaker 6: DYS were like very clear splinters off like Boston Crew, 485 00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:28,599 you know, like I had met Dave Smalley through the 486 00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:31,240 SSD guys. We both started showing up at SSD shows 487 00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:34,480 and we started doing stuff together. And then it was 488 00:23:34,559 --> 00:23:38,119 Al Burrill suggests, and then Andy Strahan played guitar, right, 489 00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:40,079 and like Andy was part of the Boston Crew and 490 00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:42,079 he said, Andy, you should play with uys. They're looking 491 00:23:42,119 --> 00:23:45,200 for guitar player. So that very much became the nucleus 492 00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:48,000 of it. And then since then, because we had this 493 00:23:48,039 --> 00:23:50,240 whole second bite of an apple, there's been you know, 494 00:23:50,319 --> 00:23:54,079 this number of different people in the band, all with 495 00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:58,440 roots the old score, old hardcore and like Boston. And 496 00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:01,240 it's interesting, right because you sort of like, you know, 497 00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:03,279 if you watch like again, I'm not comparing us this, 498 00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:07,799 but when Metallica had to replace Jason, right, like they 499 00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:12,000 knew the bass player, right, like he had a shared 500 00:24:12,039 --> 00:24:15,160 set of values, right, they they knew trio, you know, 501 00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:18,200 like and it's sort of been that. Like I moved, 502 00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:20,119 you know, moved to LA and you know, we ended 503 00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:22,480 up doing more shows than I needed an LA based lineup. 504 00:24:22,799 --> 00:24:23,680 Speaker 3: And who's around me? 505 00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:27,160 Speaker 6: Fronstall from Scream is a neighbor, right, lives half a 506 00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:27,799 mile away. 507 00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:30,640 Speaker 3: You know, he's also in the Food Fighters. 508 00:24:30,759 --> 00:24:33,400 Speaker 6: Alpahanish came to Boston to go to Berkeley, was in 509 00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:34,519 Powerman five thousand. 510 00:24:35,039 --> 00:24:37,000 Speaker 3: I met him in LA. Like he's around. 511 00:24:37,039 --> 00:24:40,119 Speaker 6: So you're still just always trying to surround yourself with 512 00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:46,880 like shared values, shared influences, shared ideas, some connectivity to Boston, 513 00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:51,519 you know, Like I just had Johnny Rock from the 514 00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:55,720 Boston band Halfcock that was signed to like Powerman five 515 00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:58,039 thousand label, for a minute, do something for me, Like 516 00:24:58,079 --> 00:25:00,920 we're just always trying to like, you know, keep some version. 517 00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:03,640 Speaker 3: There's just a shared language, right you drop into. 518 00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:06,200 Speaker 6: A studio and you just pick up three quarters of 519 00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:08,839 the way through it if you have that shared piece 520 00:25:08,839 --> 00:25:10,319 of it, you know, like like I look at like 521 00:25:10,319 --> 00:25:12,759 what war machine like you obviously you guys all came 522 00:25:12,799 --> 00:25:16,000 to the table with this shared thing before he I'm 523 00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:17,559 sure before he even got in a room together. 524 00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:20,319 Speaker 5: Oh yeah, it was it was that started. That was 525 00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:21,359 a joke from like Blood. 526 00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:23,599 Speaker 4: For Blood's last tour in Europe, I went out with 527 00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:25,720 them and we were you know, it's a long story. 528 00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:28,680 I'll tell you sometime, but uh, but we're here to 529 00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:29,519 talk about you today. 530 00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:31,480 Speaker 3: Now we're talking about both of us. 531 00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:35,519 Speaker 4: I know I don't but but yeah, so you know, 532 00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:38,000 like but like as I said, as a kid, getting in, 533 00:25:38,039 --> 00:25:40,119 you know, like the I was so mad, you know, 534 00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:42,759 you know I was. I was grateful that I got in. 535 00:25:42,799 --> 00:25:44,720 When I got in, I got to see like the 536 00:25:44,799 --> 00:25:47,440 last FU show before they were straw Dogs and stuff 537 00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:49,359 like that. I get to see Jerry's kids with Suicide. 538 00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:51,559 I got to see the tail end of everything of 539 00:25:51,599 --> 00:25:52,559 the first wave there. 540 00:25:53,519 --> 00:25:54,440 Speaker 5: But I was so mad that. 541 00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:57,359 Speaker 4: I missed like you know, ss D, the Impact Unit, 542 00:25:57,599 --> 00:26:00,440 you know, like see y'all like the stuff that came before. 543 00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:01,759 Speaker 5: Do you ask me? 544 00:26:02,279 --> 00:26:03,720 Speaker 4: And I'm glad that I've gotten to see most of 545 00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:06,599 those bands by now, because Yeah, the good thing about 546 00:26:06,599 --> 00:26:09,000 hardcore is that if it's like no matter what you 547 00:26:09,079 --> 00:26:11,880 do in life, like when you came up with this, 548 00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:13,759 I feel like if this was really in it, like 549 00:26:13,799 --> 00:26:17,200 people they might go but they all come back, you 550 00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:19,079 know what I mean, Like I feel like you can't 551 00:26:19,079 --> 00:26:21,440 really kick it because it's become such an integral party. 552 00:26:21,559 --> 00:26:23,559 So you know, I got to see all the bands 553 00:26:23,559 --> 00:26:25,240 that I that I missed for the most pot except 554 00:26:25,279 --> 00:26:30,559 for SSD. But I've seen that triggering around doing stuff, 555 00:26:30,559 --> 00:26:31,960 So that's true. 556 00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:34,240 Speaker 6: But I'll tell you it's some way I might say 557 00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:37,680 you came in for the best of it, Like arguably 558 00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:41,519 to your point about it being proto, it's probably less. 559 00:26:41,559 --> 00:26:44,240 The stuff you missed is probably less good than you remember, 560 00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:48,279 Like there was a level of experience and professionalism by 561 00:26:48,279 --> 00:26:50,880 the time you got in that wasn't there. Like I 562 00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:54,720 loved SSD more than anybody, but they were famous for 563 00:26:54,839 --> 00:26:58,279 like something always happened and there was like ten minutes 564 00:26:58,279 --> 00:27:02,440 in between songs and like shit would rate right or 565 00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:06,160 like you know, venues were only this big, and I 566 00:27:06,319 --> 00:27:08,680 sort of feel by the time I was doing slap Shot, 567 00:27:10,039 --> 00:27:13,319 you know, like what you could be was bigger, right, 568 00:27:13,559 --> 00:27:15,920 Like you could sell a Irving Plaza, you can get 569 00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:18,119 signed to road Runner, you could get signed. 570 00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:20,480 Speaker 3: A Metal Blade, Like you'd go on a tour. 571 00:27:20,319 --> 00:27:23,240 Speaker 6: Opening for Motorhead, Like you know, you look at all 572 00:27:23,279 --> 00:27:27,400 the things the Chromags did, like what was possible by 573 00:27:27,519 --> 00:27:30,279 like eighty five, eighty six, eighty seven was just a 574 00:27:30,319 --> 00:27:33,119 whole other level that we missed out on. 575 00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:36,079 Speaker 4: Yeah, well that's how it always goes, right. The people 576 00:27:36,079 --> 00:27:39,599 that lay the founder lay the foundation, you know, you know, 577 00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:41,559 the next people like build up for that. You know, 578 00:27:41,759 --> 00:27:44,200 you laid the foundation, and then the next people were 579 00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:46,279 making the first floor, and then then it went to 580 00:27:46,279 --> 00:27:48,319 the second floor, third floor, whatever, you know, like people, 581 00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:49,640 it just got bigger and crazier. 582 00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:50,480 Speaker 3: Now. 583 00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:54,079 Speaker 6: Yeah, but now I see Slapshot playing in front of 584 00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:55,960 you know, fifty thousand people at Hellfest. 585 00:27:56,119 --> 00:27:57,920 Speaker 3: You know, it's like a whole different world. 586 00:27:58,039 --> 00:28:01,480 Speaker 4: Sure, yeah, yeah, no, but no, I just mean, like 587 00:28:01,759 --> 00:28:03,799 I miss I regret that I didn't get to see 588 00:28:03,839 --> 00:28:05,400 some of the shows, you know what I mean, some 589 00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:08,680 of the things. But but yeah, you know what would 590 00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:11,480 those days like though, because you know, a kid getting 591 00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:14,200 into punk a hardcore now it's a whole different experience. 592 00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:17,240 Like I remember when I got into it, it wasn't popular. 593 00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:20,920 You know, I'm not gonna I literally got to fistfight 594 00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:22,920 at least weekly because of it, you know what I mean. 595 00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:25,319 Because it wasn't cool, and it wasn't whatever, but like 596 00:28:25,799 --> 00:28:27,640 eighty one, you know what I mean, or you know, 597 00:28:28,319 --> 00:28:31,640 you know that timeframe is it was even different. The 598 00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:34,839 world was a different place too, Like you know, was 599 00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:37,799 it a lot harder getting like kind of the what 600 00:28:37,839 --> 00:28:39,640 you just said, Like, was it a lot harder getting 601 00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:42,720 shows and getting things together and trying because like you 602 00:28:42,759 --> 00:28:44,359 had to no one even knew what it was, Like, Hey, 603 00:28:44,359 --> 00:28:45,799 we're gonna be here and there's a bunch of kids 604 00:28:45,799 --> 00:28:47,519 gonna be running around and jumping off the stage and 605 00:28:47,519 --> 00:28:49,519 blah blah blah. You know, like trying to convince someon 606 00:28:49,519 --> 00:28:51,559 of that like in nineteen eighty two or something is 607 00:28:51,559 --> 00:28:52,839 a lot different than nowadays. 608 00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:56,039 Speaker 6: Totally, it was harder getting shows. They were afraid of 609 00:28:56,079 --> 00:29:00,000 the violence. Because everybody was insistent on doing all ages shows, 610 00:29:00,119 --> 00:29:02,119 or most people were insisted by doing all ages shows. 611 00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:04,000 The FEUs were like the only band I remember that 612 00:29:04,039 --> 00:29:09,359 would regularly play over twenty ones. The venues felt like 613 00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:10,839 they were going to make less money, right because they 614 00:29:10,839 --> 00:29:11,400 don't bar. 615 00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:14,559 Speaker 3: Like you're a bar owner now, right, like. 616 00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:18,960 Speaker 5: You can back the other slap shot basically. 617 00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:21,519 Speaker 6: Yeah, so you know what it's like with like the 618 00:29:21,559 --> 00:29:24,200 five dollars cover without you know, when you're selling diet 619 00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:26,759 cokes versus the five dollars cover and alcohol, right or 620 00:29:26,799 --> 00:29:30,119 whatever that. So there was that challenge, right because we 621 00:29:30,119 --> 00:29:33,519 were all adamant about playing all ages shows, only. 622 00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:36,160 Speaker 3: You know all of it. 623 00:29:36,359 --> 00:29:38,319 Speaker 6: You know, there was no internet, Like literally, you were 624 00:29:38,359 --> 00:29:40,920 like wheat pasting flyers around to try. 625 00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:41,279 Speaker 3: To get seen. 626 00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:41,599 Speaker 5: Like. 627 00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:47,119 Speaker 6: It was all a lot harder, you know, but I 628 00:29:47,119 --> 00:29:49,559 think that made it, like anything that's harder, more gratifying, 629 00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:52,519 you know, to your point. I mean, you know, dude, 630 00:29:52,559 --> 00:29:54,160 not only was I getting harassed for being in a 631 00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:57,400 hardcore I mean I remember going to see Motley for 632 00:29:57,440 --> 00:29:59,960 the first time, and you know, they look like girl 633 00:30:00,119 --> 00:30:03,319 roles quote unquote, and like I remember the same people 634 00:30:03,319 --> 00:30:06,000 that used to give me shit about liking hardcore. Like 635 00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:10,480 I'd walk by, like you the hesher area at ringe 636 00:30:11,279 --> 00:30:12,240 and I'd be wearing. 637 00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:14,440 Speaker 3: A poison shit and they'd be like, who are those thuggots? 638 00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:16,160 And then I'd see them all. 639 00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:19,240 Speaker 6: Every one of those kids was a Motley opening for 640 00:30:19,279 --> 00:30:22,000 Ozzie at the Garden a year later, every single one 641 00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:22,599 of those kids. 642 00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:24,160 Speaker 5: Oh yeah, yeah. 643 00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:27,839 Speaker 4: Well you know what though, and I know you mentioned like, uh, 644 00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:30,200 you know, wheat paste and posters I put them up 645 00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:34,119 at the pizza spot or whatever. I kind of missed 646 00:30:34,119 --> 00:30:36,759 that because or just looking at like you know, like 647 00:30:36,839 --> 00:30:39,599 the the free newspapers that would have the listenings for shows. 648 00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:41,039 Speaker 5: I feel like it was easier because I. 649 00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:43,319 Speaker 4: Feel like now I get lost in like the algorithm, 650 00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:45,200 and I don't see a show until two days later 651 00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:47,440 when someone I knew took a picture and posted it. 652 00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:49,440 I was like, oh man, I forgot about that show 653 00:30:49,519 --> 00:30:51,680 or I didn't even know that was coming. Whereas before, 654 00:30:51,759 --> 00:30:53,519 when I felt it was easy when you can look 655 00:30:53,519 --> 00:30:56,319 in like you know, the newspaper or like you know, 656 00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:59,039 walk around to the spots like Little Stevie's Pizza or something, 657 00:30:59,039 --> 00:31:00,519 you know there'd be the fly there, you know what 658 00:31:00,599 --> 00:31:02,759 I mean. Like it, it seemed like that was a 659 00:31:02,799 --> 00:31:05,240 little bit easier for building that, you. 660 00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:07,799 Speaker 6: Know, totally fair, but I mean it's also different, like 661 00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:09,640 you know, when we started playing again, which by the way, 662 00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:12,359 I never thought it would happen, and we started doing 663 00:31:12,359 --> 00:31:16,079 European festivals and you show up and there's like, you know, 664 00:31:16,319 --> 00:31:19,079 four Marshall cabs and two SVTs on stage, like all 665 00:31:19,079 --> 00:31:20,640 set for you, and you just got to like plug 666 00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:24,200 in and roll yeah, that never existed the first time around. 667 00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:28,319 Speaker 5: No, what's the first time you guys played again? Was it? 668 00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:30,440 Speaker 4: Was it that Club Lido show and Revere a few 669 00:31:30,519 --> 00:31:33,839 years ago, well not a few years, like twelve years 670 00:31:33,839 --> 00:31:34,599 ago to fifteen. 671 00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:39,000 Speaker 6: Yeah, the reunion show, the reunion show, that was absolutely 672 00:31:39,039 --> 00:31:39,839 the first one. 673 00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:43,440 Speaker 3: And by the way, that was supposed to be awesome, 674 00:31:43,559 --> 00:31:44,279 thank you for coming. 675 00:31:44,319 --> 00:31:45,519 Speaker 6: That was, by the way, it supposed to be the 676 00:31:45,519 --> 00:31:49,279 only one. So the only reason I kind of convinced 677 00:31:49,599 --> 00:31:52,839 myself and everybody else to do it, besides supporting Gallery East, 678 00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:55,400 was so there were there was no HD back in 679 00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:57,920 the day, right, So there's no like, there was never 680 00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:00,519 any true multi camera footage, if do you so? 681 00:32:00,599 --> 00:32:03,440 Speaker 3: I literally decided to do that show, literally. 682 00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:07,440 Speaker 6: Just to have multi camera HD history of the band, 683 00:32:07,519 --> 00:32:10,039 to like show my kid, you know whatever. 684 00:32:10,839 --> 00:32:12,319 Speaker 3: I didn't even have a kid then, but I was 685 00:32:12,359 --> 00:32:13,279 thinking about, like when. 686 00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:15,640 Speaker 5: I might here, And that was the. 687 00:32:15,559 --> 00:32:17,400 Speaker 6: Only reason we did it. We're supposed to do one 688 00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:20,119 and done. And because I'm wired the way I'm wired, 689 00:32:20,559 --> 00:32:25,599 I think I flew to Boston seven times, like we rehearsed, 690 00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:29,160 like rehearsed, you know, I came, you know, so if 691 00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:31,799 I came to Boston seven times. We did fourteen rehearsal days, 692 00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:35,000 you know, teach everybody the songs, run the set at 693 00:32:35,079 --> 00:32:37,480 least two times of rehearsal, like, took it very seriously. 694 00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:39,400 Speaker 3: And then because I'd never. 695 00:32:39,279 --> 00:32:43,880 Speaker 6: Done it before, like wan, I need every cheat possible 696 00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:47,680 to not suck, right, So every cheat possible to not 697 00:32:47,839 --> 00:32:51,039 suck means we're gonna have the best backline, right, Every 698 00:32:51,119 --> 00:32:54,640 cheat possible that not suck means like we're hiring professional crew. 699 00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:57,400 You know, I don't know how to sound good anymore, 700 00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:01,160 you know, And so you know you were there, right, 701 00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:04,920 We got six heads, six cabs, like rolling the whole thing, 702 00:33:05,039 --> 00:33:08,279 and took it very seriously. I asked Dicky Barrett from 703 00:33:08,319 --> 00:33:10,839 the Bostons to introduce us, and again I think this 704 00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:11,200 is just. 705 00:33:11,119 --> 00:33:11,759 Speaker 3: One and done. 706 00:33:12,559 --> 00:33:17,119 Speaker 6: And afterwards we're like sitting backstage and Dicky's like, dude, 707 00:33:17,119 --> 00:33:19,160 do you want to do the Hometown throw down with 708 00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:19,799 us this year? 709 00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:21,960 Speaker 3: Like it was like whatever it was, it was like 710 00:33:22,039 --> 00:33:22,920 good enough. 711 00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:24,960 Speaker 6: For him to think, you know, let's see, I want 712 00:33:25,039 --> 00:33:27,279 to do the Hometown Throwdown. And so now on my 713 00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:30,079 calculation is like, okay, we're going from one thousand people 714 00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:33,640 to two thousand people, twenty five hundred people, let's roll, 715 00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:37,759 let's do it. And then that happened, and I was like, 716 00:33:37,839 --> 00:33:39,880 can we go to Europe? Can we do other festivals? 717 00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:42,480 You know, I start thinking like what's possible, not as 718 00:33:42,519 --> 00:33:45,480 a full time thing. And so I'm living in LA 719 00:33:45,839 --> 00:33:48,240 and you know, we had great guys playing with us 720 00:33:48,279 --> 00:33:50,920 for those two shows. There's no issue there. But like, 721 00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:52,759 I'm in LA and I can't keep lying to Boston 722 00:33:52,839 --> 00:33:55,720 seven times for every show. So we needed up an 723 00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:58,519 LA based lineup. And that's where I was lucky enough 724 00:33:58,559 --> 00:34:02,680 to convince Frontstall to do it, to convince Alpaghanish to 725 00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:07,319 do it, and found this incredible kid, Adam, who is 726 00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:10,239 interestingly is not from Boston but went to Berkeley School 727 00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:14,880 for Music, so other Boston connection. He had done a short, 728 00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:18,960 he's a multi talented musician. He's he's in guy kind 729 00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:22,679 of a reggae ska bands signed to Tim Armstrong's Hellcat 730 00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:26,719 Records called Calimatics. But you know that's I'm the only 731 00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:29,440 hardcore he'd done. He had done Far from Finished. He'd 732 00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:31,800 done a couple of European tours with Far from Finished, 733 00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:35,400 and to me, he was like the punk rock version 734 00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:37,440 of Billy Duffy, which is like always the sound I 735 00:34:37,519 --> 00:34:39,440 hear in my head when I want like that guy, 736 00:34:40,159 --> 00:34:41,960 like the guy who can just step up, throw a 737 00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:42,800 foot of the monitor. 738 00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:45,719 Speaker 3: Les Paul goes up and just shreds right. And he 739 00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:46,519 was that dude. 740 00:34:47,159 --> 00:34:49,960 Speaker 6: And I was lucky enough to find those guys, and 741 00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:55,280 we you know, played fifty shows, festivals, went to Europe. 742 00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:57,519 Speaker 3: We tried to go to Europe every summer, every other summer, 743 00:34:57,920 --> 00:34:58,320 and it. 744 00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:00,039 Speaker 6: Was like a second bite at the apple that I 745 00:35:00,079 --> 00:35:02,519 and I never thought I was going to have, was 746 00:35:02,559 --> 00:35:03,639 never even planned when. 747 00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:04,679 Speaker 3: We did the Club Leado show. 748 00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:09,400 Speaker 6: And I've been just so so so grateful to the fans, 749 00:35:09,599 --> 00:35:11,639 to everybody that we had a shot to do that. 750 00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:13,760 Speaker 5: Yeah, no, no, and it was great. 751 00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:21,760 Speaker 4: The Uh well, let's let me ask this because because 752 00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:25,320 we talked a little bit before anything coming up JO wise, 753 00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:27,639 are you guys keeping the keeping the train rolling, like 754 00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:30,239 or new music or anything on the horizon. 755 00:35:31,159 --> 00:35:32,679 Speaker 5: Yes, anything that you can talk about. 756 00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:34,119 Speaker 3: We had a pretty good cadence. 757 00:35:34,119 --> 00:35:35,679 Speaker 6: I mean, you live this life, you knoww it is 758 00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:38,679 like really the only thing that's that's viable. 759 00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:43,320 Speaker 5: Sorry, that's right. 760 00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:46,079 Speaker 3: I'll just start over and you'll cut it out so 761 00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:47,519 you live this. 762 00:35:47,679 --> 00:35:50,800 Speaker 6: So you know, this really the only cadence that's reasonably 763 00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:53,559 viable you run a business. I run a business is 764 00:35:53,599 --> 00:35:55,920 to kind of do the europe thing, right, Like, that's 765 00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:57,760 where the scale is, and you can do kind of 766 00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:01,639 mini American run. But even if you're agnostic front like 767 00:36:01,679 --> 00:36:04,639 I watch him knocking out in like six to twelve's right, 768 00:36:04,679 --> 00:36:07,440 They're not like playing two hundred and fifty shows in America. 769 00:36:07,519 --> 00:36:10,880 Speaker 4: No, no, no, yeah, everyone's doing like two weeks and that's yeah. 770 00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:16,239 Speaker 6: And so you know, we kind of built the machine 771 00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:19,559 around that, and we were kind of doing it on 772 00:36:19,599 --> 00:36:22,199 a regular basis, and we put out new music and 773 00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:24,239 I know it's very hard for legacy bands to put 774 00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:26,760 out any music. And I know the fans really just 775 00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:29,000 came wanting to hear Brotherhood, Like dude, the hardest thing 776 00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:30,800 for us is they didn't want to hear the second record, 777 00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:34,559 right Like for me, the thing was my non negotiable 778 00:36:34,599 --> 00:36:36,320 with Dave Smalley is I'm only going to do this 779 00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:37,800 if I can do what I want to do, and 780 00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:39,559 I don't want to go out and play like the 781 00:36:39,599 --> 00:36:43,480 Brotherhood puppet show. You know, no offense to people came 782 00:36:43,519 --> 00:36:45,480 to see the butterl their Hood puppet show or like. 783 00:36:45,639 --> 00:36:47,679 But like I said, we got to put these two 784 00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:50,079 records together, and so we ended up doing is slowing 785 00:36:50,119 --> 00:36:52,880 down the Brotherhood stuff, speeding up the second record stuff. 786 00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:56,400 Dave is singing an octave lower on the second record 787 00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:59,199 stuff now, so it all kind of sinks, right, But 788 00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:01,079 so we had that together and like where do we 789 00:37:01,119 --> 00:37:02,800 go from here? And we end up doing like a 790 00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:05,599 series of digital singles that now were all of our 791 00:37:05,599 --> 00:37:09,039 influences of the New Guys, and it's like punk rock 792 00:37:09,079 --> 00:37:10,880 and roll, right, The rock and roll influence is much 793 00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:12,960 bigger in it. The street plank influence is much more 794 00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:15,079 bigger in it. What's happened in fifteen years is much 795 00:37:15,079 --> 00:37:17,960 bigger in it. So we did all that and then 796 00:37:18,119 --> 00:37:21,599 we Bridge nine was kind enough to do an anniversary 797 00:37:21,639 --> 00:37:23,559 release of Brotherhood and we were going to play a 798 00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:26,480 limited number of shows behind that, and Dave Smalley gets cancer, 799 00:37:27,559 --> 00:37:31,679 and Dave almost dies of cancer twice. Not the actual cancer, 800 00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:33,880 but like you know, when your immune system is totally 801 00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:37,239 ground down here in hospitals, like bad shit happens, and 802 00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:40,159 we almost lost Dave and we had to cancel you know, 803 00:37:40,199 --> 00:37:42,519 our sort of you know, anniversary release shows, which was 804 00:37:42,519 --> 00:37:44,519 a bummer, and I was super excited about the lineup. 805 00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:47,519 I was excited about coming back to Boston, and we 806 00:37:47,599 --> 00:37:50,360 had to put everything on hold until Dave kind of 807 00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:53,000 made it through his treatment and he did. We still 808 00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:56,880 have Dave Smallly. You know, he's back. He's playing the 809 00:37:56,880 --> 00:38:00,239 occasional down By Law show. And so then I started 810 00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:04,239 thinking about what to do if we can ramp it 811 00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:06,800 back up, and so we went back in the studio 812 00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:11,000 and we did Something's New, Something's. 813 00:38:10,559 --> 00:38:13,760 Speaker 3: Old, some covers, and. 814 00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:15,880 Speaker 6: You know, because it's twenty twenty five, twenty twenty six 815 00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:17,920 almost and I don't think really anybody has heart for 816 00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:21,079 a record anymore. I think I'm going to continue the 817 00:38:21,079 --> 00:38:22,679 old strategy, which is the think I'm going to drop 818 00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:23,440 them one at a. 819 00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:26,280 Speaker 3: Time, and so we are. 820 00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:30,639 Speaker 6: We we did a re record of wolf Pack, which 821 00:38:30,679 --> 00:38:32,239 is probably going to be here seat to a lot 822 00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:35,440 of people. But for a couple of reasons, a Wolfpack 823 00:38:35,559 --> 00:38:38,480 was the first single we ever put out in terms 824 00:38:38,519 --> 00:38:40,039 of being a radio tape when we were at our 825 00:38:40,119 --> 00:38:44,360 most raw knew the least amount of what we were doing. Second, 826 00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:47,159 it's our most streamed song, so it's the song people 827 00:38:47,199 --> 00:38:52,039 are most interested in. Third just organically kind of coming 828 00:38:52,079 --> 00:38:54,480 back the second time and thinking about things and knowing 829 00:38:54,599 --> 00:38:57,119 more things about music and that songs need to tell stories. 830 00:38:57,119 --> 00:38:59,679 Speaker 3: We need a beginning, a middle, and an end. It's 831 00:38:59,679 --> 00:39:00,639 been a set. 832 00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:02,599 Speaker 6: Closer for us, and we kind of moved into a 833 00:39:02,599 --> 00:39:05,039 different arrangement from the original one, where it's like the 834 00:39:05,079 --> 00:39:08,400 original one I think is like first chorus versus chorus 835 00:39:08,559 --> 00:39:09,599 done right. 836 00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:11,559 Speaker 3: It's like a lot of hardcore songs, right. 837 00:39:11,639 --> 00:39:14,880 Speaker 6: Not even why, and just naturally we started playing it 838 00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:19,400 live as the closer first chorus, verse chorus breakdown where 839 00:39:19,519 --> 00:39:21,679 in a live setting, Smally kind of talks to the audience, 840 00:39:21,679 --> 00:39:23,400 talks to the audience, thanks everybody. 841 00:39:23,559 --> 00:39:24,039 Speaker 3: Then it's like. 842 00:39:24,119 --> 00:39:28,000 Speaker 6: Chorus builds, chorus build out right, like much more traditional 843 00:39:28,079 --> 00:39:30,519 arrangement that if we probably knew what we were doing, 844 00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:33,559 you know, back in the day, a producer or an 845 00:39:33,599 --> 00:39:35,519 A and R guy or somebody would have like we 846 00:39:35,519 --> 00:39:38,079 would have ended up there anyway. But that's kind of 847 00:39:38,079 --> 00:39:40,800 where we just organically ended up. And I was like, 848 00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:44,039 I want to re record that. I want to put that, 849 00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:49,000 you know, and there's some the arrangement is very different 850 00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:52,800 from the ones anybody's even heard. There's some Boston surprises 851 00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:56,800 on there that I'll leave for surprises, but that's dropping 852 00:39:57,039 --> 00:39:59,280 right before the end of the year, and we'll see 853 00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:01,599 what the response is. My thing about music doing music 854 00:40:01,639 --> 00:40:03,800 now is I only do what I want to do, 855 00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:06,239 and I try to make everything as good as I 856 00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:09,360 can make it, and I don't care about what it was, 857 00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:12,280 what people think about it, et cetera. So people might 858 00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:15,119 love it, people might hate it, but it's reflective of 859 00:40:15,159 --> 00:40:18,320 who we are, and it's frankly reflective of like the 860 00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:20,599 last way we played it, like it's reflective of like 861 00:40:20,639 --> 00:40:22,559 the last time we stood on stage and played the song. 862 00:40:22,639 --> 00:40:24,880 This is mostly the way we played it. So that's 863 00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:28,559 going to be dropping, and then if that goes reasonably well, 864 00:40:29,199 --> 00:40:32,039 there's there's some other things to drop, some new things, 865 00:40:32,079 --> 00:40:35,360 some covers. Again, I think the cover selection is really 866 00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:40,039 going to surprise people. You know, the last, the only 867 00:40:40,159 --> 00:40:43,480 cover cover we ever released officially was that Motorhead cover 868 00:40:44,159 --> 00:40:44,679 road Crew. 869 00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:46,639 Speaker 3: We tried to give it, you know, like ad our 870 00:40:46,679 --> 00:40:48,079 own thing to it. You know. 871 00:40:49,679 --> 00:40:51,679 Speaker 6: We did some other covers back in the day, but 872 00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:53,360 never released them. We used to do blood in the 873 00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:59,360 streets like that OI song, but so hopefully they'll be 874 00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:03,599 more surprised, is you know. Thanks to Ryan and Jack, 875 00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:05,519 I got this chance to kind of say goodbye to 876 00:41:05,559 --> 00:41:08,519 Slapshot fans at the thirty fifth anniversary. It was like 877 00:41:08,559 --> 00:41:10,639 the greatest thing on earth for like those guys to 878 00:41:10,679 --> 00:41:13,639 allow the original lineup to come up and end the set. 879 00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:15,400 Speaker 3: And it's like the easiest job in the world. 880 00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:18,199 Speaker 6: Like Ry, you know, Packer and Jack and those guys 881 00:41:18,199 --> 00:41:20,360 have wound up the crowd for ninety minutes to the 882 00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:22,519 max and then Jack's like, we got it the bradsheet 883 00:41:22,519 --> 00:41:23,920 and it's like the easiest thing in the world to 884 00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:26,280 come up four songs and end it. 885 00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:29,119 Speaker 3: And I was so grateful for that. 886 00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:30,119 Speaker 6: That it really put in my head that I'd like 887 00:41:30,199 --> 00:41:32,920 to have some sort of like do you you know, 888 00:41:33,039 --> 00:41:35,960 like the first time we just petered out, like we 889 00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:37,599 were just dumb, We didn't know what we were doing, 890 00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:39,440 Like we were in over our head when that metal 891 00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:40,320 record started to break. 892 00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:42,199 Speaker 3: We just didn't know how to do the next things. 893 00:41:43,159 --> 00:41:45,239 Speaker 6: And so I sort of felt like we never got 894 00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:46,760 a goodbye the first time around. 895 00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:48,199 Speaker 3: And if that. 896 00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:50,320 Speaker 6: Lido show had been the last show, that would have 897 00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:52,480 been a great goodbye. I would have been a fine goodbye. 898 00:41:52,559 --> 00:41:54,199 So maybe it's my own risk for trying to put 899 00:41:54,199 --> 00:41:55,039 a second ending on the. 900 00:41:55,119 --> 00:41:58,920 Speaker 3: End of the second ending. But I would love to have. 901 00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:02,440 Speaker 6: A chance to do something in twenty twenty six that 902 00:42:02,559 --> 00:42:05,840 might be like a chance to say goodbye and thank you. 903 00:42:06,639 --> 00:42:11,320 Speaker 4: Yeah, now, how so, well a couple of things. I 904 00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:12,960 got like three other things I want to ask you about. 905 00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:15,760 But yeah, there's also going to be like re recording 906 00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:17,920 wolf Pack, It's also going to be interesting to hear 907 00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:19,880 because you know, the original one came out. How old 908 00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:21,840 were you guys when you when you made I was 909 00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:23,039 a Brotherhood record? 910 00:42:23,159 --> 00:42:24,639 Speaker 3: Fifteen? I was fifteen. 911 00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:28,960 Speaker 4: Yeah, So re recording it, like recording something in the 912 00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:32,280 early eighties and then recording something now sonically is going 913 00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:34,159 to be vastly different. So you're going to be able 914 00:42:34,199 --> 00:42:36,360 to hear what the song actually sounds like versus what 915 00:42:37,039 --> 00:42:38,559 and I and I go like this all the time 916 00:42:38,559 --> 00:42:42,280 because I had an old band, and like people sometimes like, 917 00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:45,199 oh man, like those records, and I'm like, oh no, 918 00:42:45,199 --> 00:42:47,840 those records. The recording is horrible, like but like but 919 00:42:48,159 --> 00:42:50,800 in other people's heads, like they identify with it because 920 00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:53,440 they heard it at a time, like I love Brotherhood, 921 00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:55,320 but like I'm sure you hear it and you're like, oh, man, 922 00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:57,559 I wish this. This isn't how it should really sound, 923 00:42:57,599 --> 00:42:59,519 you know, or whatever it is. It is what it is, 924 00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:03,599 but uh yeah, it's going to be interesting to hear, 925 00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:07,199 like the new version with with modern recording and you 926 00:43:07,239 --> 00:43:09,719 know what I mean, and like updated, uh yeah, probably 927 00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:13,159 we better equipment and you know, like the whole new. 928 00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:16,920 Speaker 6: Yeah, and we'd had, you know, with the reunion stuff, 929 00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:19,760 we had a shot at modern recording. Like again, always 930 00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:22,559 trying to pull in Boston guys. Do you know mud Rock? 931 00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:27,480 Do you know who he is? So Andrew Murdoch, Boston dude. 932 00:43:27,719 --> 00:43:30,039 He worked for New Alliance, who were the producers of 933 00:43:30,039 --> 00:43:31,840 our first record back. 934 00:43:31,679 --> 00:43:33,559 Speaker 3: In the day when we were a metal band. He 935 00:43:33,679 --> 00:43:35,280 was our live sound guy. He was our go to 936 00:43:35,679 --> 00:43:36,119 sound guy. 937 00:43:36,559 --> 00:43:40,840 Speaker 6: Then mud Rock went on to He's got producing credit 938 00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:44,480 and all those multi platinum Godsmack records, right, So, like 939 00:43:44,679 --> 00:43:47,320 mud Rock like made an impact and he was the 940 00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:50,559 new metal guy to go to for a long time. 941 00:43:51,119 --> 00:43:55,159 And then that first Avenged sevenfold record mud Rock, Yeah, 942 00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:59,760 and the first book Cherry record mud Rock and so 943 00:44:00,039 --> 00:44:02,679 oh I've got this chance to work with a guy 944 00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:04,760 now who I knew back in the day. 945 00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:11,159 Speaker 3: But has taken this ride to eight platinum and gold records. 946 00:44:11,199 --> 00:44:12,480 Speaker 6: You know, he did a lot of other stuff that 947 00:44:12,559 --> 00:44:16,079 was cool that probably didn't go platinum, right, Like Riverboat Gamblers, 948 00:44:16,079 --> 00:44:19,199 he had a number of their records, But like you know, 949 00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:20,199 like that guys. 950 00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:21,239 Speaker 5: He knows what he's doing. 951 00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:24,119 Speaker 3: That guy's got a lot of plaques in his wall. 952 00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:28,440 Speaker 6: And in heavy music, And to sort of go back 953 00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:31,079 and be able to do a bunch of stuff with 954 00:44:31,199 --> 00:44:35,199 him and learn from him and the way technology has moved. 955 00:44:35,199 --> 00:44:37,480 He's a perfect mix of new and old, right, where 956 00:44:37,519 --> 00:44:39,159 like we're kind of doing this thing where it's like 957 00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:42,679 real drums and two damps, but you know it's going 958 00:44:42,719 --> 00:44:44,800 under a hard drive, right, not onto tape, right, and 959 00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:45,559 all the stuff. 960 00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:46,000 Speaker 3: That you can do with that. 961 00:44:46,639 --> 00:44:52,079 Speaker 6: But then even right, like going back, you're like Leo's 962 00:44:52,119 --> 00:44:55,559 guitar tracks sound a little similar. Let's use the Freedman 963 00:44:55,639 --> 00:44:58,119 brown eye plug in, right, so they're not both us 964 00:44:59,239 --> 00:45:00,039 and you can just do. 965 00:45:00,079 --> 00:45:01,000 Speaker 3: That stuff now, right. 966 00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:02,360 Speaker 5: It's crazy. 967 00:45:03,119 --> 00:45:06,800 Speaker 6: And even the most die hard gear guys I know, 968 00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:10,639 like Brian Baker taking kempers on tour, right, Like all 969 00:45:10,719 --> 00:45:14,000 that stuff you can do, and so you know, everything 970 00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:16,639 that you will hear was played by real musicians in 971 00:45:16,719 --> 00:45:20,800 real time, right. But it's taking advantage of technology that 972 00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:23,760 we can take advantage of. And one of the guys 973 00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:28,320 we're working now with now comes from like doing stuff 974 00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:32,400 with Dwight Yoakam and like Chris Robinson band and just 975 00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:34,639 like pull it like just you know, I want to 976 00:45:34,679 --> 00:45:37,079 learn from anybody, you know, I want to learn from 977 00:45:37,079 --> 00:45:39,280 anybody that's like expert at this stuff. And so it's 978 00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:44,119 a whole different experience. And the funny thing is we're 979 00:45:44,159 --> 00:45:46,440 spending more than we spent on like Brotherhood, but like 980 00:45:46,519 --> 00:45:48,599 relative at what it costs to make a record today, 981 00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:52,360 you know, like those days of like I was talking 982 00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:56,400 to I'll leave the name out. I was talking to 983 00:45:56,440 --> 00:45:58,559 a guy who was in a hardcore band that became 984 00:45:58,599 --> 00:46:00,440 a metal band and they were broken for a long 985 00:46:00,519 --> 00:46:02,519 time and they came back together, and he told me 986 00:46:02,559 --> 00:46:04,119 what their recording budget. 987 00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:08,639 Speaker 3: Was in like ninety five, and then he. 988 00:46:08,599 --> 00:46:11,159 Speaker 6: Told me what his recording budget was in like twenty 989 00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:15,920 twenty five. And you can imagine major label, major label 990 00:46:16,039 --> 00:46:19,400 both times fraction of the first. 991 00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:21,639 Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, that's. 992 00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:26,320 Speaker 6: Travel was the biggest line item for the most recent 993 00:46:26,360 --> 00:46:29,239 record because they don't live in the same city. Yeah, 994 00:46:29,679 --> 00:46:33,519 where producer fee was the biggest line item on their 995 00:46:33,840 --> 00:46:34,760 major label debut. 996 00:46:35,480 --> 00:46:36,079 Speaker 5: Yeah. 997 00:46:36,199 --> 00:46:38,599 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a different game now. And it is funny 998 00:46:38,599 --> 00:46:41,239 thing too, because like everyone in bands, like no one 999 00:46:41,239 --> 00:46:43,599 lives in the same city anymore. I mean, like every 1000 00:46:43,639 --> 00:46:45,760 band everyone lives, there's at least one guy that lives 1001 00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:48,440 on the other side of the country. And you know, 1002 00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:50,920 you know, it is what it is. But one thing, 1003 00:46:51,159 --> 00:46:52,599 you know, we talked to you know, we're talking a 1004 00:46:52,599 --> 00:46:55,440 little bit of hardcore and metal and stuff. Boston in 1005 00:46:55,559 --> 00:46:58,360 eighty one it almost sounded like it was just mayhem. 1006 00:46:58,480 --> 00:47:00,719 Like every every record that came out was just like 1007 00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:04,039 blistering blistering speeds, like you know, and then you know 1008 00:47:04,079 --> 00:47:06,079 you get the comp called unsafe at any speed and 1009 00:47:06,079 --> 00:47:09,039 all this right, but like everything blistering fast that was 1010 00:47:09,079 --> 00:47:12,280 the the Boston sound was just like insane insanity. And 1011 00:47:12,280 --> 00:47:14,960 then everyone's second record everyone went into everyone was a 1012 00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:17,400 c DC Like what happened with you with all of 1013 00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:17,880 you guys? 1014 00:47:18,239 --> 00:47:20,119 Speaker 5: Like what happened? Like when did when did it turn? 1015 00:47:20,159 --> 00:47:22,199 Speaker 4: From kids will have this say to how we rock 1016 00:47:22,360 --> 00:47:25,400 or like from from from Brotherhood to Fire and Ice, 1017 00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:28,679 so like what happened, And it's just very curious. I 1018 00:47:28,719 --> 00:47:30,719 always wanted to and I never I never got to 1019 00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:32,039 ask you that or anybody else. 1020 00:47:32,119 --> 00:47:34,360 Speaker 6: Right, well, well I've learned my lessons for speaking for 1021 00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:36,719 anybody else. I'm only going to speak for you. It's funny, 1022 00:47:36,760 --> 00:47:41,039 the great, the great Albarell we have lost like I 1023 00:47:41,119 --> 00:47:43,440 love Al, but like every time I would say something 1024 00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:45,480 about this with SSD, I'd have like a d M 1025 00:47:45,599 --> 00:47:49,280 within like an hour, Andy, and he'd like tell me 1026 00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:52,239 whatever I said was bullshit and it was made up fiction, 1027 00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:54,679 and he you know, it's his story, so I'm so yes, 1028 00:47:54,719 --> 00:47:56,559 I'm sure it was complete fiction. It was the story 1029 00:47:56,559 --> 00:47:59,239 in my head from like standing on stage. 1030 00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:01,760 Speaker 3: Left right, but yes, it was not the story in 1031 00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:03,079 his head. So I will speak for me. 1032 00:48:03,719 --> 00:48:06,119 Speaker 6: But remember I started with this podcast right where like 1033 00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:10,119 I probably wanted to be Joe Perry long before. 1034 00:48:09,880 --> 00:48:13,400 Speaker 3: I wanted to be Dee Ramone. And now it's possible. 1035 00:48:13,519 --> 00:48:17,159 Speaker 6: Right now you've played whatever many shows you've played and 1036 00:48:17,199 --> 00:48:19,840 how many rehearsals you played, So that's part of it. 1037 00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:22,760 Speaker 3: But the other part of it is again still no internet. 1038 00:48:23,039 --> 00:48:27,320 Speaker 6: If eighty percent of the Boston CRUI sees black Flag 1039 00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:30,760 at the Paradise and then starts writing like black Flag. 1040 00:48:31,559 --> 00:48:35,000 Now it happens in like eighty four, Metallica comes to 1041 00:48:35,079 --> 00:48:39,400 town and plays the Rat in support of kill them all, right, 1042 00:48:39,559 --> 00:48:42,920 like Anthrax comes and plays the Channel, right like all 1043 00:48:43,039 --> 00:48:46,519 these like proto all you know, alt metal bands or 1044 00:48:46,559 --> 00:48:48,960 whatever we're gonna call them. 1045 00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:52,079 Speaker 5: Yeah, like the early thrash and the early thrash. 1046 00:48:52,119 --> 00:48:54,280 Speaker 3: And it's the same thing, right if you think that, like. 1047 00:48:55,880 --> 00:48:58,800 Speaker 6: Five people left the Channel and formed a band that 1048 00:48:58,880 --> 00:49:02,719 sounded like black Flag. Five bands left the Rat after 1049 00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:06,960 Metallica and went to Daddy's and bought you know, a 1050 00:49:07,079 --> 00:49:10,000 JCM eight hundred US stack and put an ad out 1051 00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:14,239 to get a second guitar player, right, Like, it's just 1052 00:49:14,320 --> 00:49:18,599 the influences that you hear. And I will say seeing 1053 00:49:18,639 --> 00:49:22,880 Metallic alive was every bit is game changing, you know, even. 1054 00:49:22,719 --> 00:49:24,719 Speaker 3: If I didn't have those other influences. But the other 1055 00:49:24,760 --> 00:49:26,119 thing that people don't know is like, were you. 1056 00:49:26,079 --> 00:49:29,880 Speaker 5: At that Rat too? I was that's the when all 1057 00:49:29,880 --> 00:49:33,199 their equipment got stolen? Right? Or was that a different 1058 00:49:33,239 --> 00:49:35,199 one channel of them? 1059 00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:39,079 Speaker 3: I can't remember. I can't remember which one of those things. 1060 00:49:39,079 --> 00:49:41,679 Speaker 6: But and then also there's Anthrax's equipment got stolen a 1061 00:49:41,679 --> 00:49:43,079 lot of people because they were traveling with a lot 1062 00:49:43,079 --> 00:49:43,360 of gear. 1063 00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:46,519 Speaker 3: But so I was at those shows, and. 1064 00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:50,360 Speaker 6: Like it was as it was as life changing, you know, 1065 00:49:50,440 --> 00:49:52,800 you're just sort of like because the other thing people 1066 00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:55,480 don't remember is like I remember people your league so old. 1067 00:49:56,519 --> 00:49:58,719 Those guys were not making any more money. Like I 1068 00:49:58,920 --> 00:50:04,159 bet you in a eighty four Suicidals guarantee was probably 1069 00:50:04,199 --> 00:50:07,679 bigger than metallicas right, or like Social D's guarantee was 1070 00:50:07,679 --> 00:50:10,599 probably bigger than like metallicas tells other stories about living 1071 00:50:10,599 --> 00:50:13,320 on ten dollars day per diems, Like we were living 1072 00:50:13,360 --> 00:50:14,519 on ten dollars day per deems. 1073 00:50:14,559 --> 00:50:16,119 Speaker 3: We didn't look at Metallic at that point to be 1074 00:50:16,199 --> 00:50:19,639 like we're gonna get rich. We just looked at Metallic 1075 00:50:19,679 --> 00:50:23,039 and said, like this is fucking badass, you know. 1076 00:50:23,639 --> 00:50:26,440 Speaker 6: And so that's where those influences started coming to this combination. 1077 00:50:26,599 --> 00:50:28,679 But as I was saying, what I don't think people know. 1078 00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:31,679 The Boston crew used to go see Iron Maiden. The 1079 00:50:31,679 --> 00:50:34,119 Boston crew used to go see a CDC. The Boston 1080 00:50:34,159 --> 00:50:36,320 crew used to go see Van Halen. The Boston crew 1081 00:50:36,360 --> 00:50:38,400 would go see the specials. The Boston crew would go 1082 00:50:38,440 --> 00:50:42,199 see Bad Brains, Like we were never just like only 1083 00:50:42,199 --> 00:50:43,280 going to hardcore shows. 1084 00:50:45,599 --> 00:50:45,800 Speaker 5: You know. 1085 00:50:45,880 --> 00:50:49,360 Speaker 6: The ridiculousness came later, like when Jamie Strappa and I 1086 00:50:49,599 --> 00:50:54,559 ordered matching explore Hamer bases with tremolos, like maybe. 1087 00:50:54,280 --> 00:50:55,639 Speaker 5: That far right? 1088 00:50:55,960 --> 00:50:58,800 Speaker 4: Yeah, that was the next one. When did it get 1089 00:50:58,840 --> 00:51:03,880 too far right? Did U? When Boston nott La came out, 1090 00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:05,800 did that cause a lot of stir Like did it 1091 00:51:05,880 --> 00:51:08,320 did it cause a lot of animosity or did people 1092 00:51:08,360 --> 00:51:09,800 kind of take it for you know what I mean? 1093 00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:13,400 Speaker 6: I was so young then I didn't know because like 1094 00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:16,079 if you remember, my first band, Decadence was on that 1095 00:51:16,159 --> 00:51:18,360 and I was probably fourteen when I recorded that, And 1096 00:51:18,400 --> 00:51:20,719 I only managed to squeak on that because I think 1097 00:51:20,760 --> 00:51:22,599 because I worked at Newbury Comics and they didn't want to, 1098 00:51:22,599 --> 00:51:24,239 like they didn't have the heart to tell the fourteen 1099 00:51:24,320 --> 00:51:26,599 year old kids standing on the milk right that his 1100 00:51:26,679 --> 00:51:27,559 band couldn't. 1101 00:51:27,280 --> 00:51:29,480 Speaker 3: Be on it right. I mean the irony of that. 1102 00:51:29,760 --> 00:51:33,960 Speaker 6: Is Slam got an MTV sync for like Santa's Secret 1103 00:51:33,960 --> 00:51:37,639 Life of a Slam Dancer that ran for fifteen years. 1104 00:51:37,960 --> 00:51:41,280 So the weird thing is that song may have earned 1105 00:51:41,280 --> 00:51:43,519 more money in publishing, not that I got rich off 1106 00:51:43,519 --> 00:51:44,920 it than any song on that record. 1107 00:51:44,960 --> 00:51:45,400 Speaker 3: Because of that. 1108 00:51:45,559 --> 00:51:47,440 Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah that's Liker. 1109 00:51:47,639 --> 00:51:49,880 Speaker 3: It ran for thirty days for fifteen years or something 1110 00:51:49,960 --> 00:51:50,559 on MTV. 1111 00:51:51,519 --> 00:51:54,079 Speaker 5: That's crazy. How did that happen? 1112 00:51:54,400 --> 00:51:57,760 Speaker 4: Like, because well, at that point, MTV was still invested 1113 00:51:57,760 --> 00:52:00,559 in music, and it wasn't making like sixteen and Pregnant whatever. 1114 00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:03,199 Speaker 3: And that, and at that point MTV was still sort 1115 00:52:03,239 --> 00:52:03,800 of punk. 1116 00:52:03,639 --> 00:52:06,840 Speaker 5: Rock, Like, yeah, I remember seeing punk rock victors like Crowd, 1117 00:52:07,360 --> 00:52:07,679 but I. 1118 00:52:07,679 --> 00:52:09,760 Speaker 6: Also been punk rock and how they operated like nobody 1119 00:52:09,800 --> 00:52:11,719 called and like, so we want to put it, we 1120 00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:13,440 want to put a syncty altogether for this. 1121 00:52:14,039 --> 00:52:17,079 Speaker 5: Yeah, they just did it. 1122 00:52:17,239 --> 00:52:18,840 Speaker 3: They did it. 1123 00:52:19,159 --> 00:52:24,239 Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, no, but yeah, yeah, it's it's it's been. 1124 00:52:24,320 --> 00:52:26,920 It's been a wild ride. Like so what how did 1125 00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:29,760 what made you? What was the thing that pulled you 1126 00:52:29,800 --> 00:52:31,079 out moving out to West Coast? 1127 00:52:32,960 --> 00:52:34,199 Speaker 3: So what pulled me out? 1128 00:52:34,239 --> 00:52:37,280 Speaker 6: A slap shot was like after t Uys broke up, 1129 00:52:37,400 --> 00:52:39,000 you know, you think about all the awful jobs you 1130 00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:41,440 have in your bands and like, they don't they don't 1131 00:52:41,440 --> 00:52:44,440 define you because you're always like, I'm a musician. So 1132 00:52:44,719 --> 00:52:47,760 after your band breaks up, now they define you right, 1133 00:52:47,840 --> 00:52:49,960 and you're going to your Like I was like a 1134 00:52:50,039 --> 00:52:55,119 line cook at some forest restaurant and like Fanuel Hall, right, 1135 00:52:55,199 --> 00:52:59,440 I was working at not Tower Records, Strawberry Records and 1136 00:52:59,480 --> 00:53:02,880 like Downtown crossing, you know, getting in fights with people 1137 00:53:02,920 --> 00:53:05,320 trying to steal records. By the way, funny story, So 1138 00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:07,559 Strawberries was owned by Morris. 1139 00:53:07,360 --> 00:53:08,519 Speaker 3: Levy, who was a made man. 1140 00:53:09,440 --> 00:53:13,639 Speaker 6: And because he was made the deal was you got 1141 00:53:13,719 --> 00:53:15,840 a two hundred dollars bonus every time you beat up 1142 00:53:15,840 --> 00:53:17,079 a shoplifter, which meant a. 1143 00:53:17,039 --> 00:53:18,280 Speaker 3: Lot to a struggling musician. 1144 00:53:18,960 --> 00:53:21,760 Speaker 6: If you rough them up, you got a cash bonus, 1145 00:53:22,280 --> 00:53:25,480 like taking him back. He ended up doing fed time, 1146 00:53:25,519 --> 00:53:27,559 But I was that was my greatest memory of working 1147 00:53:27,559 --> 00:53:30,360 in Strawberries, Right, It's like cash bonuses for being rough 1148 00:53:30,400 --> 00:53:31,199 on shoplifters. 1149 00:53:32,800 --> 00:53:37,480 Speaker 4: But so like let's not let's not just skip over that, 1150 00:53:37,519 --> 00:53:38,679 like did did uh? 1151 00:53:38,800 --> 00:53:39,880 Speaker 5: Did you? Did you? Did that? 1152 00:53:39,920 --> 00:53:40,039 Speaker 4: Make? 1153 00:53:40,199 --> 00:53:41,880 Speaker 5: Was that a pretty lucrative side hustle? 1154 00:53:42,280 --> 00:53:45,239 Speaker 6: No, because I'm small and not that tough. So let's 1155 00:53:45,239 --> 00:53:47,480 be really clear, I'm small and not that tough, and 1156 00:53:47,519 --> 00:53:50,639 I discovered it by accident the first time, right, Like 1157 00:53:52,079 --> 00:53:54,480 you know, somebody made it impossible for me not to 1158 00:53:54,519 --> 00:53:57,360 defend myself, and I did. There was a surprise in 1159 00:53:57,400 --> 00:54:00,880 my check that week, and I asked why, and so 1160 00:54:01,000 --> 00:54:03,719 it gave me a little more greed courage when it happened. 1161 00:54:03,719 --> 00:54:07,760 But like I'm not it's a good need for a man, 1162 00:54:08,960 --> 00:54:11,400 but I was not that lucrative. But at any rate, 1163 00:54:11,480 --> 00:54:15,239 so you are now defined by those jobs. And so 1164 00:54:15,639 --> 00:54:17,360 I went back to my parents, and my parents are 1165 00:54:17,400 --> 00:54:20,760 really highly educated, and the most hurtful thing I could 1166 00:54:20,760 --> 00:54:22,719 ever say to them and rebellious thing, was I'm not 1167 00:54:22,760 --> 00:54:23,400 going to college. 1168 00:54:23,400 --> 00:54:24,679 Speaker 3: And so of course that's what I said. 1169 00:54:25,199 --> 00:54:27,119 Speaker 6: And then I said, hey, you know, in the college thing, 1170 00:54:27,159 --> 00:54:28,800 and they were kind enough to put it back on 1171 00:54:28,840 --> 00:54:32,280 the table. And then I'm in slap shot and I'm 1172 00:54:32,320 --> 00:54:33,960 trying to do school and do slap shot. And then 1173 00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:36,679 I transferred to Amherst to finish up. And then to 1174 00:54:36,719 --> 00:54:39,199 your point about distances, before everybody lived in every city. 1175 00:54:39,239 --> 00:54:42,199 Now I'm a three hour card drive from practice, and 1176 00:54:42,679 --> 00:54:44,599 they were trying to do more, and I just couldn't 1177 00:54:44,599 --> 00:54:47,280 do two things. And so I finished college, and I 1178 00:54:47,320 --> 00:54:49,920 did a short stint in New York, and I started 1179 00:54:50,000 --> 00:54:55,400 going to LA because Christine McCarthy had moved to LA 1180 00:54:55,400 --> 00:54:58,519 to be an actress. Jamie and Angie Shirappa had moved 1181 00:54:58,519 --> 00:55:01,519 to LA. You know, bands that were starting to make 1182 00:55:01,559 --> 00:55:04,320 it move to LA, and so I would start going 1183 00:55:04,320 --> 00:55:05,360 out to LA to visit them. 1184 00:55:05,360 --> 00:55:06,760 Speaker 3: And it was like a pretty good. 1185 00:55:06,639 --> 00:55:10,280 Speaker 6: Life, you know, Like Christine was like made at that point, 1186 00:55:10,320 --> 00:55:11,840 you know, she was on like nine O two one oh, 1187 00:55:12,599 --> 00:55:15,519 and so like the life I would just be surrounded by. 1188 00:55:15,559 --> 00:55:17,800 It was not a normal La life. Like I kind 1189 00:55:17,840 --> 00:55:19,760 of thought it was normal La life, but I was like, oh, 1190 00:55:19,960 --> 00:55:23,400 this is life here, you know, and like weirdly, in 1191 00:55:23,480 --> 00:55:25,639 addition to those punk guys, there was an actor John 1192 00:55:25,840 --> 00:55:30,199 Enos who ended up in Melrose Place, and I'd known 1193 00:55:30,280 --> 00:55:35,360 him from this like hardcore steroid infested bodybuilding gym and 1194 00:55:35,440 --> 00:55:39,599 Salem where he used to sell steroids out of the 1195 00:55:40,079 --> 00:55:43,119 men's locker room. And then he became a huge model, 1196 00:55:43,159 --> 00:55:46,440 a huge male model, and he was like, I think 1197 00:55:46,440 --> 00:55:48,880 he's a Salem guy. And he was like dating Christy 1198 00:55:48,920 --> 00:55:51,679 Turlington and everybody. He was dating Madonna. He's a Madonna's 1199 00:55:51,719 --> 00:55:53,960 sex book. And I'd just known him from the gym. 1200 00:55:53,960 --> 00:55:54,960 He was just like, you know, how there is a 1201 00:55:55,000 --> 00:55:57,320 gym guy I'd seen him three hundred days a year for. 1202 00:55:57,360 --> 00:55:58,400 Speaker 3: Like five years or whatever. 1203 00:55:58,679 --> 00:56:00,960 Speaker 6: And I come out to LA and he's minority owner 1204 00:56:01,000 --> 00:56:04,039 at this club called the Roxbury at the time when 1205 00:56:04,039 --> 00:56:06,039 the Roxsberry was the hottest club in LA. And so 1206 00:56:06,239 --> 00:56:10,000 just through dumb luck, I'm like rolling into the Roxbury. 1207 00:56:10,039 --> 00:56:13,039 He's dating the porn star Tracy Lords at that point, 1208 00:56:13,119 --> 00:56:15,039 and so my life is becoming like if I go 1209 00:56:15,079 --> 00:56:18,119 to LA, I'm like in the Roxbury with like Mickey York, 1210 00:56:18,280 --> 00:56:21,800 John Enos and Tracy Lords, or I'm like hanging out. 1211 00:56:21,639 --> 00:56:23,719 Speaker 3: With Christine and like the cast of nine h two, 1212 00:56:23,760 --> 00:56:25,800 And I was like, this is the best. 1213 00:56:27,400 --> 00:56:28,599 Speaker 5: Yeah, And I. 1214 00:56:28,519 --> 00:56:30,760 Speaker 6: Thought everything in LA was like that, And so I 1215 00:56:30,760 --> 00:56:32,760 was like I got to move here, and I figured 1216 00:56:32,800 --> 00:56:35,559 out how to get the biggest ad agency in the 1217 00:56:35,559 --> 00:56:38,119 world to give me a job in their LA office 1218 00:56:38,400 --> 00:56:40,960 and that was my That was my start in LA. 1219 00:56:41,280 --> 00:56:43,679 Speaker 5: Is that what you went to school for? Advertisements? 1220 00:56:44,559 --> 00:56:44,760 Speaker 1: No? 1221 00:56:44,960 --> 00:56:47,880 Speaker 6: The funny thing, so advertising people don't actually like people 1222 00:56:47,880 --> 00:56:48,840 that studied advertising. 1223 00:56:48,840 --> 00:56:50,280 Speaker 3: They actually people who started liberal arts. 1224 00:56:50,280 --> 00:56:52,239 Speaker 6: Their belief is like, if you take a liberal arts degree, 1225 00:56:52,360 --> 00:56:53,920 you learn how to think, will teach you how to 1226 00:56:54,000 --> 00:56:57,360 do the job. At least that I actually thought I 1227 00:56:57,400 --> 00:56:59,000 was going to be a music industry lawyer, Like I 1228 00:56:59,000 --> 00:57:00,760 didn't think I was going to go that far from 1229 00:57:00,800 --> 00:57:02,679 the you know, the apple wasn't going to fall that 1230 00:57:02,719 --> 00:57:05,840 far from the tree. And political science is a big 1231 00:57:05,880 --> 00:57:08,440 pre law undergrad thing to major in, but it's also 1232 00:57:08,440 --> 00:57:10,519 a big advertising thing that I didn't know. So I 1233 00:57:10,599 --> 00:57:13,159 ended up with sort of like the right undergrad degree, 1234 00:57:13,519 --> 00:57:15,360 and I still wanted to be creative, and I decided 1235 00:57:15,480 --> 00:57:18,719 law school wasn't for me, and so I was able 1236 00:57:18,719 --> 00:57:21,360 to get a job at a really big advertising agency 1237 00:57:22,239 --> 00:57:23,000 in New York. 1238 00:57:23,079 --> 00:57:24,320 Speaker 3: And then you want to talk about sort of punk 1239 00:57:24,400 --> 00:57:25,840 rock disruption, disruption, it's the. 1240 00:57:25,920 --> 00:57:30,000 Speaker 6: Very beginning of New York advertising, I mean of internet advertising. 1241 00:57:30,039 --> 00:57:34,639 And I rate this super arrogant, super rebellious punk rock 1242 00:57:34,760 --> 00:57:36,480 letter about how like you. 1243 00:57:36,440 --> 00:57:38,320 Speaker 3: Guys don't get this digital thing and this digital thing 1244 00:57:38,400 --> 00:57:38,679 is going. 1245 00:57:38,599 --> 00:57:40,519 Speaker 6: To be huge and if you don't care, I don't care, 1246 00:57:40,559 --> 00:57:42,280 because I'm just going to take your job in your clients, 1247 00:57:42,320 --> 00:57:45,280 like I think, literally that's what I And it got 1248 00:57:45,360 --> 00:57:47,760 published in like Adweek, right, it's like a letter to 1249 00:57:47,840 --> 00:57:51,320 the editor, right, but like I'm throwing the punk rock 1250 00:57:51,440 --> 00:57:54,960 attitude into it, and Sachi and Sachi La had been 1251 00:57:54,960 --> 00:57:57,880 asked by Toyota, the biggest client, to start an internet division, 1252 00:57:58,440 --> 00:58:01,719 and nobody knew anything like you could hire an expert. 1253 00:58:01,800 --> 00:58:05,519 Speaker 5: And it was because it wasn't it was just an emergency. Yeah, 1254 00:58:05,760 --> 00:58:06,840 you make an expert. 1255 00:58:07,079 --> 00:58:07,320 Speaker 3: Yeah. 1256 00:58:07,360 --> 00:58:10,199 Speaker 6: And so the managing director of the Sachi office saw 1257 00:58:10,239 --> 00:58:13,440 this letter and like flew me out for an interview. 1258 00:58:13,920 --> 00:58:15,559 And I was looking for a way to like keep 1259 00:58:15,599 --> 00:58:19,400 living that La life. And so then I ended up 1260 00:58:19,400 --> 00:58:21,239 with this sort of I mean again, like I'm early 1261 00:58:21,280 --> 00:58:23,599 in my career. I'm not making like real money, but 1262 00:58:23,840 --> 00:58:25,880 like enough money to like have my own apartment, have 1263 00:58:25,920 --> 00:58:29,239 a car, like you know, roll with the crew, like 1264 00:58:29,480 --> 00:58:31,920 you know I I you know, if I if I 1265 00:58:31,960 --> 00:58:33,599 need to go to dinner with the bougie people, like 1266 00:58:33,639 --> 00:58:34,639 I can pay for my own dinner. 1267 00:58:34,679 --> 00:58:36,280 Speaker 3: And I'm making enough to do that, right. 1268 00:58:36,239 --> 00:58:38,920 Speaker 6: Like I'm not a drain on it, Like I'm making 1269 00:58:39,000 --> 00:58:40,480 enough of my corporate job then I'm not a drain 1270 00:58:40,559 --> 00:58:41,079 on anybody. 1271 00:58:41,079 --> 00:58:42,599 Speaker 3: And it was really important to me. 1272 00:58:43,079 --> 00:58:45,159 Speaker 6: Like there's so many people who like take take, take, 1273 00:58:45,239 --> 00:58:47,639 take take in Hollywood. I think like one of the 1274 00:58:47,679 --> 00:58:50,280 reasons I was able to do okay is like I 1275 00:58:50,280 --> 00:58:53,360 could carry my weight right, I wasn't asking anybody for anything, 1276 00:58:53,679 --> 00:58:54,480 if that makes sense. 1277 00:58:54,960 --> 00:58:55,280 Speaker 5: Yeah. 1278 00:58:55,320 --> 00:58:59,360 Speaker 4: And also everyone I know that moved to LA or 1279 00:59:00,440 --> 00:59:05,840 moved out west somewhere out west from East like displays 1280 00:59:05,840 --> 00:59:09,280 of work ethic that yes, and also not even not 1281 00:59:09,360 --> 00:59:12,480 even in an attitude about things that like they they 1282 00:59:12,519 --> 00:59:14,840 appreciate like if the you know what I mean, Like 1283 00:59:15,599 --> 00:59:17,719 not everyone appreciates it, but people that are like hiring 1284 00:59:17,760 --> 00:59:19,639 employees and appreciate it but. 1285 00:59:19,679 --> 00:59:21,920 Speaker 3: Still appreciate it. I mean, you know, I got a 1286 00:59:22,000 --> 00:59:23,480 lot of like whoa whoa, whoa, whoa whoa. 1287 00:59:23,559 --> 00:59:24,239 Speaker 5: Yeah, pull this back. 1288 00:59:24,280 --> 00:59:24,760 Speaker 3: And it's funny. 1289 00:59:24,760 --> 00:59:26,519 Speaker 6: Because I've gone back and forth a lot, I get 1290 00:59:26,519 --> 00:59:28,960 this weird thing where like if I'm in New York, 1291 00:59:29,000 --> 00:59:31,440 Everyone's like, you're so LA, And when I'm in. 1292 00:59:31,440 --> 00:59:34,880 Speaker 3: LA, everyone's like, You're so New York. Right, It's like it's. 1293 00:59:34,679 --> 00:59:37,960 Speaker 6: Funny, but yes, so and then from I moved back 1294 00:59:37,960 --> 00:59:40,559 and forth between New York and LA at least three 1295 00:59:40,599 --> 00:59:43,719 times for jobs. I had lived in Singapore for two 1296 00:59:43,719 --> 00:59:46,239 and a half years. During COVID, I lived in San 1297 00:59:46,280 --> 00:59:48,920 Francisco and somehow I'm back here in LA. 1298 00:59:49,679 --> 00:59:53,719 Speaker 4: Yeah, well you're doing That's probably where you're meant to 1299 00:59:53,800 --> 00:59:59,920 land right, like maybe for now, yeah, but yeah, man, 1300 01:00:00,039 --> 01:00:01,679 I'm looking at the time here, I'm trying to do. 1301 01:00:02,239 --> 01:00:05,400 I know, you got to jump on a call. Where 1302 01:00:05,440 --> 01:00:08,599 can when? When are you guys dropping the new Duys 1303 01:00:08,679 --> 01:00:10,840 stuff or is it is it? Is there a date yet? 1304 01:00:10,920 --> 01:00:14,039 Speaker 6: Or is it just I'm just waiting, But like I've 1305 01:00:14,239 --> 01:00:16,920 submitted a date to the streaming services. The only gonna 1306 01:00:16,920 --> 01:00:18,559 being cagy is I don't want to say the date 1307 01:00:18,599 --> 01:00:21,119 and then it doesn't get approved for a day or 1308 01:00:21,119 --> 01:00:23,000 two days, but like it'll drop before the end of 1309 01:00:23,039 --> 01:00:23,360 the year. 1310 01:00:24,639 --> 01:00:26,280 Speaker 3: The other thing we have to talk about because we. 1311 01:00:26,199 --> 01:00:28,280 Speaker 6: Haven't been a dude is like you got on my 1312 01:00:28,480 --> 01:00:31,559 radar because you were building the sickest bikes and like 1313 01:00:31,599 --> 01:00:32,880 we've been going back and forth. 1314 01:00:32,920 --> 01:00:34,639 Speaker 3: We've never actually done a bike together. 1315 01:00:34,679 --> 01:00:36,079 Speaker 6: But like one of the things we got to commit 1316 01:00:36,119 --> 01:00:37,360 to is like, dude, we got to do a bike 1317 01:00:37,400 --> 01:00:40,719 together at some point. And when she hears this, we'll 1318 01:00:40,719 --> 01:00:43,280 be like, I know we won't And I was like, 1319 01:00:43,840 --> 01:00:45,599 I was like, it's gonna end up where we're gonna 1320 01:00:45,599 --> 01:00:46,559 build a living room bike. 1321 01:00:46,800 --> 01:00:50,119 Speaker 4: It's like, we can build a living room bike that 1322 01:00:50,199 --> 01:00:53,000 can easily go outside when it needs to go outside. 1323 01:00:55,280 --> 01:00:57,960 Speaker 5: Yeah, like I know we started talking about it. I'm down. 1324 01:00:58,039 --> 01:01:00,360 Speaker 4: Whatever, man, just let me know when you are ready 1325 01:01:00,400 --> 01:01:01,639 to pull the trigger and we'll we'll. 1326 01:01:03,719 --> 01:01:05,000 Speaker 3: You're like a renaissance man. 1327 01:01:05,000 --> 01:01:07,760 Speaker 6: When we met, I didn't know about your musical background, 1328 01:01:07,800 --> 01:01:09,480 and I just thought you were this like badause bike 1329 01:01:09,519 --> 01:01:12,239 builder and I was like, he's a musician, he's a writer. 1330 01:01:12,440 --> 01:01:14,239 Speaker 3: Like it's interesting, Like. 1331 01:01:14,280 --> 01:01:17,039 Speaker 6: I'm really realizing as they get older, it is like 1332 01:01:17,119 --> 01:01:19,599 you're either born with this creative fire or you're not, 1333 01:01:20,480 --> 01:01:23,599 and it manifests itself in so many different ways. 1334 01:01:24,159 --> 01:01:27,519 Speaker 3: Like you're you're a real builder. I'm a fake builder. 1335 01:01:27,519 --> 01:01:29,119 Speaker 6: What I mean by that is like I'm a creative 1336 01:01:29,119 --> 01:01:32,559 director of things with engines, right, Like I've creative directed 1337 01:01:32,599 --> 01:01:34,360 a lot of things with engines, but I've not like 1338 01:01:34,480 --> 01:01:36,840 tork wrenched them and you've like torquereunched them. But like 1339 01:01:37,559 --> 01:01:41,119 there's a there's a common thread between like are you 1340 01:01:41,119 --> 01:01:44,440 you know the bass player from Bold does cabinry work 1341 01:01:44,440 --> 01:01:47,559 and finished work and like the finest collectible houses in 1342 01:01:47,679 --> 01:01:51,760 La right, like these crazy mid century modern houses that 1343 01:01:51,840 --> 01:01:55,400 people hold as trophies, and it's like the woodwork that 1344 01:01:55,440 --> 01:01:58,039 makes them amazing is like done by a hardcore guy right. 1345 01:01:57,960 --> 01:02:00,840 Speaker 4: Like, yeah, it seems like I don't know what it 1346 01:02:00,920 --> 01:02:04,199 is about people that grew up in the scenes, especially 1347 01:02:04,239 --> 01:02:07,599 in the times like you know, early earlier times. And 1348 01:02:07,760 --> 01:02:09,280 I'm sure it's still going on. I just don't know 1349 01:02:09,280 --> 01:02:11,400 as many of the young kids. But I don't know 1350 01:02:11,440 --> 01:02:13,119 what it is. I don't know if it attracts a 1351 01:02:13,159 --> 01:02:16,039 certain person with a certain mentality and then that you know, 1352 01:02:16,119 --> 01:02:18,599 but everyone seems to do good, you know what I mean, 1353 01:02:18,719 --> 01:02:22,679 if they like the people like it's the diy ethic, 1354 01:02:22,760 --> 01:02:25,840 I think for once, and then I don't know what else, 1355 01:02:25,880 --> 01:02:29,400 but it drives people to just go like do like 1356 01:02:29,440 --> 01:02:32,079 I don't know, I can't explain it. And just everyone 1357 01:02:32,119 --> 01:02:34,679 I know that does stuff like does you know is 1358 01:02:34,760 --> 01:02:36,639 doing well in their areas you know what I mean? 1359 01:02:36,840 --> 01:02:38,920 Or like exceeding or excelling you know what I mean. 1360 01:02:38,920 --> 01:02:41,480 Speaker 6: It's crazy, Yeah, and they picked creative areas, Like there's 1361 01:02:41,480 --> 01:02:43,760 a bunch of old Boston hardcore guys that are like 1362 01:02:43,800 --> 01:02:46,840 set builders and set designers in LA right, because that's 1363 01:02:47,239 --> 01:02:49,880 what that's how they're applying their creative energy here, you know. 1364 01:02:50,000 --> 01:02:53,360 Speaker 4: Yeah, and that's what you know, And even even Jake, 1365 01:02:53,480 --> 01:02:56,639 like you know, back from the old Boston everyone thrashing magazine, 1366 01:02:56,639 --> 01:02:59,400 but they don't know, you know, dude from Boston, you 1367 01:02:59,440 --> 01:03:02,119 know what I mean? Like you know, like like I 1368 01:03:02,159 --> 01:03:04,599 love like how like and especially like you know, obviously 1369 01:03:04,639 --> 01:03:06,639 you got a hometown pride. I love how like Boston's like, 1370 01:03:07,199 --> 01:03:09,320 you know, creeps out across the world, you know what 1371 01:03:09,400 --> 01:03:11,800 I mean. And we got our fingers and everything, you know, 1372 01:03:11,880 --> 01:03:15,519 and uh yeah, but uh but yeah, dude. And it's 1373 01:03:15,559 --> 01:03:18,599 funny because like I used to go to La a 1374 01:03:18,599 --> 01:03:21,639 lot and I had friends that like worked in the industries, 1375 01:03:21,840 --> 01:03:25,039 you know, the Hollywood industry, And every time I go 1376 01:03:25,039 --> 01:03:27,440 out to LA I can see like I was falling victim. 1377 01:03:27,440 --> 01:03:29,519 I'm like, I'm moving out here, like every time. It's 1378 01:03:29,599 --> 01:03:32,440 just but Nan, It's like the situations you get into 1379 01:03:32,480 --> 01:03:35,400 are just crazy. And it's like you come home and everyone's. 1380 01:03:35,079 --> 01:03:37,679 Speaker 5: Like what and I'm like, dude, it's and I'm like. 1381 01:03:37,840 --> 01:03:40,239 Speaker 4: I'm calling people the early days. I'm like, I'm in 1382 01:03:40,280 --> 01:03:44,119 Pam Anderson's bathroom. Don't you know what do I do? 1383 01:03:44,280 --> 01:03:45,440 But you know, like. 1384 01:03:46,320 --> 01:03:49,079 Speaker 6: Stuff like that, And it's funny, like he's long gone 1385 01:03:49,880 --> 01:03:52,039 and you probably don't know him. But like when I 1386 01:03:52,079 --> 01:03:53,920 was having bikes built in LA back in the day. 1387 01:03:53,920 --> 01:03:56,440 It was a guy from Maldon, this guy Alan Wood 1388 01:03:56,480 --> 01:03:58,559 who had this place, wood Cycle, right, and he's. 1389 01:03:58,360 --> 01:04:00,440 Speaker 5: Like, I know wood Cycles. I don't know him, but 1390 01:04:00,480 --> 01:04:01,199 I know that. 1391 01:04:02,039 --> 01:04:04,039 Speaker 3: So he was like building bikes for me, building bikes 1392 01:04:04,039 --> 01:04:07,159 for Maddie Sorem, building bikes for the Vogos, right. Like. 1393 01:04:07,239 --> 01:04:10,000 Speaker 6: It was like and I was boxing with Freddie Roach, 1394 01:04:10,119 --> 01:04:13,000 right like, I'm surrounded by these Boston people out here. 1395 01:04:13,440 --> 01:04:16,440 Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, yeah, but yeah, no, I know, and but 1396 01:04:16,599 --> 01:04:18,840 just you know, but just all the funniness, like you said, 1397 01:04:18,840 --> 01:04:20,880 like you go to like me at this club and 1398 01:04:20,960 --> 01:04:22,639 now these people are around and this is how I'm 1399 01:04:22,719 --> 01:04:25,039 rolling around with and it's just like it is what 1400 01:04:25,079 --> 01:04:27,119 it is, like, you know, and it's just and I think, 1401 01:04:27,199 --> 01:04:30,559 you know, I think we're you know, coming from punk rock, 1402 01:04:30,559 --> 01:04:32,719 but also coming from Boston, we're not very starstruck. 1403 01:04:32,760 --> 01:04:34,000 Speaker 5: So we just approach him like people. 1404 01:04:34,039 --> 01:04:36,199 Speaker 4: So I think those people like glom to us because 1405 01:04:36,239 --> 01:04:37,679 we don't give a shit that you know, like I 1406 01:04:37,679 --> 01:04:38,920 don't care what you're doing. 1407 01:04:39,480 --> 01:04:41,840 Speaker 3: It's funny. I'll tell you a funny story about that. 1408 01:04:42,440 --> 01:04:47,800 Speaker 6: So I was at my kids kindergarten orientation like four 1409 01:04:47,840 --> 01:04:51,039 years ago. He's in third grade and all these parishing 1410 01:04:51,079 --> 01:04:53,559 going around, and I hear Boston accent, like a hard 1411 01:04:53,760 --> 01:04:57,360 Boston accent. So I'm looking around, of course, and I 1412 01:04:57,400 --> 01:04:59,920 see it coming out of like a black man, which 1413 01:04:59,920 --> 01:05:02,840 is not particularly common, especially in La right, And so 1414 01:05:02,920 --> 01:05:05,320 I was like, I'm gonna walk over there. And it 1415 01:05:05,360 --> 01:05:08,079 turns out we went to ringing Latin together, you know, 1416 01:05:08,199 --> 01:05:14,559 like me, yeah, yeah, yeah, And like he owned Sergio Tuccini, 1417 01:05:14,559 --> 01:05:19,320 the fashion line, you know, like another Boston guy like 1418 01:05:19,360 --> 01:05:21,159 out here, and like who would have thought, like thirty 1419 01:05:21,239 --> 01:05:24,800 years later, you know, three thousand miles away, I was 1420 01:05:24,840 --> 01:05:27,239 gonna end up kindergarten orientation with. 1421 01:05:27,199 --> 01:05:30,239 Speaker 3: Like another hardworking, creative Boston dude. 1422 01:05:30,800 --> 01:05:34,159 Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, we're We're in it. 1423 01:05:34,199 --> 01:05:37,960 Speaker 4: We're in it. But yeah, where can people It's going 1424 01:05:38,039 --> 01:05:39,800 to be on all the streaming services. 1425 01:05:39,360 --> 01:05:42,559 Speaker 6: To be on all the streaming services, all usual Spot, 1426 01:05:42,840 --> 01:05:44,639 Usual Spot, all the streaming services. 1427 01:05:45,000 --> 01:05:47,079 Speaker 4: And if people want to find out is it is 1428 01:05:47,119 --> 01:05:49,320 it just is it just remake of wolf Pack or 1429 01:05:49,320 --> 01:05:49,719 is or other? 1430 01:05:49,960 --> 01:05:52,079 Speaker 6: Is it now it's just a remake of wolf Pack 1431 01:05:52,119 --> 01:05:55,440 around you know, also with all the catalog and you know, 1432 01:05:55,519 --> 01:05:56,079 the socials. 1433 01:05:56,320 --> 01:05:57,400 Speaker 3: To your point about the algoes. 1434 01:05:57,440 --> 01:05:59,760 Speaker 6: The socials will keep people posted about like what's happening 1435 01:05:59,800 --> 01:06:01,880 and times of a week, and put together at twenty 1436 01:06:01,880 --> 01:06:04,920 twenty six, thank you set a small set of shows. 1437 01:06:05,280 --> 01:06:08,320 We can't go crazy because of Dave's health stuff. You 1438 01:06:08,360 --> 01:06:09,840 can want to do so many, so many shows in 1439 01:06:09,880 --> 01:06:11,960 a row, which I think he's been pretty open about. 1440 01:06:12,039 --> 01:06:15,480 Speaker 5: But yeah, and then where can people find? 1441 01:06:15,480 --> 01:06:15,920 Speaker 4: What are? 1442 01:06:15,960 --> 01:06:16,079 Speaker 6: They? 1443 01:06:16,440 --> 01:06:18,039 Speaker 4: Just list out the socials and I'll put it in 1444 01:06:18,119 --> 01:06:20,119 the show notes as well so people can find thank you. 1445 01:06:20,840 --> 01:06:23,760 Speaker 6: So I'm going to get it wrong, but I think 1446 01:06:23,840 --> 01:06:29,119 it's Duys underline. Boston Underline Official is like the IG, 1447 01:06:29,360 --> 01:06:30,639 which is like the biggest footprint. 1448 01:06:31,880 --> 01:06:36,199 Speaker 5: Okay, oh yep, I mean yeah. 1449 01:06:36,559 --> 01:06:39,039 Speaker 4: It just it literally just glitched out right there, just 1450 01:06:39,079 --> 01:06:40,559 paused right there. So I was like, all right, well 1451 01:06:40,559 --> 01:06:42,719 at least it was right at the end, yea, So 1452 01:06:42,800 --> 01:06:44,719 do ys on to go a Boston Official. I'll put 1453 01:06:44,719 --> 01:06:46,039 it in the show notes. I'll look it up and 1454 01:06:46,239 --> 01:06:48,559 I'm sure I already followed it anyway. And what do 1455 01:06:48,599 --> 01:06:49,519 you want to put yours out? 1456 01:06:49,599 --> 01:06:52,599 Speaker 3: Or I'm fine you can find me, you can not 1457 01:06:52,719 --> 01:06:56,159 find me. I keep capitulating between being public and private. 1458 01:06:56,840 --> 01:06:59,800 It's funny but dude, thank you. 1459 01:07:00,159 --> 01:07:02,079 Speaker 6: Want to have this conversation with you for a long time. 1460 01:07:02,239 --> 01:07:04,920 I'm mad respect for all the things that you do. 1461 01:07:05,599 --> 01:07:07,719 Speaker 4: You too, Bud, you too, and uh, you know, and 1462 01:07:07,760 --> 01:07:09,519 then when at one of these shows, when you guys 1463 01:07:09,559 --> 01:07:12,039 do these, uh, we'll we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll talk further, man, 1464 01:07:12,519 --> 01:07:14,559 And if you guys want to come on and we 1465 01:07:14,639 --> 01:07:17,800 do it in person, sometimes it's a lot of easier totally, 1466 01:07:18,440 --> 01:07:19,760 and then we'll promote that stuff. 1467 01:07:19,800 --> 01:07:21,639 Speaker 5: And you know what I mean, the shows and everything. 1468 01:07:21,920 --> 01:07:25,400 Speaker 3: All right, thanks dude. 1469 01:07:24,239 --> 01:07:26,039 Speaker 5: And now you have another one in the books. 1470 01:07:26,199 --> 01:07:29,880 Speaker 4: So if you didn't listen to my ramblings at the beginning, uh, 1471 01:07:30,039 --> 01:07:32,000 just make sure we got a new Instagram page, give 1472 01:07:32,079 --> 01:07:34,760 us a follow at the Big Truth Podcast. That way 1473 01:07:34,760 --> 01:07:37,800 I can separate it out from my personal one. On Facebook, 1474 01:07:38,119 --> 01:07:41,239 it's just facebook dot com slash Big Truth Podcast, and 1475 01:07:41,320 --> 01:07:45,800 on YouTube YouTube dot com at the Big Truth Podcast. 1476 01:07:47,280 --> 01:07:49,199 Thank you for your sport for hanging in all the 1477 01:07:49,199 --> 01:07:49,920 way to the end. 1478 01:07:50,639 --> 01:07:50,920 Speaker 5: You guys. 1479 01:07:50,960 --> 01:07:53,719 Speaker 4: We got we got an M four coming up. We're 1480 01:07:53,760 --> 01:07:56,599 recording it. Uh, actually we're recording it. Uh as I 1481 01:07:56,599 --> 01:08:00,679 say here, we're recording it Thursday night, So tomorrow's two 1482 01:08:00,800 --> 01:08:05,679 nights from now. Just trying to get my liver fortified 1483 01:08:05,719 --> 01:08:08,639 before that, and so you can check that one out. 1484 01:08:08,679 --> 01:08:10,239 I'm gonna squeak that out before the end of the 1485 01:08:10,320 --> 01:08:12,760 s so you get a bonus episode this month Big 1486 01:08:12,760 --> 01:08:14,079 Truth podcast dot com. 1487 01:08:14,199 --> 01:08:14,719 Speaker 5: Check it out. 1488 01:08:16,359 --> 01:08:19,760 Speaker 2: Marketing is hard, but I'll tell you a little secret. 1489 01:08:19,840 --> 01:08:21,560 It doesn't have to be. Let me point something out. 1490 01:08:21,880 --> 01:08:24,079 You're listening to a podcast right now, and it's great. 1491 01:08:24,239 --> 01:08:26,199 Speaker 3: You love the host, You seek it out and download it. 1492 01:08:26,239 --> 01:08:28,920 You listen to it while driving, working out, cooking, even 1493 01:08:28,960 --> 01:08:32,520 going to the bathroom. 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