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<v Speaker 1>For Thunder, partaken of the NBA by Storm. For the

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<v Speaker 1>first time, the NBA Champion resides in Oklahoma City.

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<v Speaker 2>The story book season is complete.

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<v Speaker 1>This is the baseline discussing the hot button topics of

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<v Speaker 1>the NBA. Welcome everybody, you are tuned to the baseline

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<v Speaker 1>Cali Warrnshaw discussing the hot button topics of the NBA

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<v Speaker 1>and we now finally have a twenty twenty four twenty

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<v Speaker 1>twenty five NBA Champion. Game seven of the NBA Finals

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<v Speaker 1>goes to the Oklahoma City Thunder for their first title

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<v Speaker 1>in franchise's history, winning one oh three ninety one, defeating

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<v Speaker 1>the Indiana Pacers in what many can call it as just,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, a fortunate and misfortunate game that was being played,

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<v Speaker 1>but you can clearly tell that both teams left it

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<v Speaker 1>all on the court. And I couldn't be happier for

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<v Speaker 1>Oklahoma City Thunder, who wind up being the champions. I

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<v Speaker 1>feel gutted for the Indiana Pacers. We'll break all of

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<v Speaker 1>this down, man, and let me go ahead and roll

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<v Speaker 1>out the red carpet to my right hand man, Www.

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<v Speaker 1>Dot Shaw Sports a net Biga Huna pe and ce

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<v Speaker 1>my man, mister Warrenshaw, the Warrenshaw wrapping down in Fort Lauderdale, Florida.

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<v Speaker 2>What is good, brother, Good to be here with you.

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<v Speaker 2>It's always bittersweet at this time of year. I said

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<v Speaker 2>this before the game started, the Game seven of an

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<v Speaker 2>NBA Finals, Mean, it's also the end of the NBA season,

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<v Speaker 2>and what a wild and crazy and somewhat absurd NBA

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<v Speaker 2>season this was, but in a mode and in a manner,

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<v Speaker 2>in a fashion that they had to earn it, Like

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<v Speaker 2>this was not an easy championship by any stretch of

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<v Speaker 2>the imagination. They had to earn it, and they did

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<v Speaker 2>against a very, very formidable but ultimately unfortunately locked Indiana

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<v Speaker 2>Pacers team.

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<v Speaker 1>Here now in Game seven, Yeah, I think we're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>you know, we'll dive into, you know, the the misfortune

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<v Speaker 1>of Tyler Terry's Halliburton's injury, you know, which happened, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>really was it more than midway in the first quarter

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<v Speaker 1>of the game, and you know, obviously your star player

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<v Speaker 1>goes down. Man, that just has a huge impact on

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<v Speaker 1>the overall emotional and mental and strategic tenor in tone

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<v Speaker 1>with what the team wanted to do and how they

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<v Speaker 1>were going about doing it, and especially with the way

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<v Speaker 1>that Haliburton came out in that first quarter, you could

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<v Speaker 1>clearly tell that had he played this game, we may

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<v Speaker 1>not be having the same kind of conversation about the

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<v Speaker 1>Oklahoma City Thunder being the champion. But with that being said, Shaw,

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<v Speaker 1>it's kind of interesting because I want to touch on

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<v Speaker 1>this real quick. It's interesting how when we got to

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<v Speaker 1>this game seven situation that we took for granted that

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<v Speaker 1>going into this game, Tyre's Halliburton was still nursing that

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<v Speaker 1>achilles string, right, And I know that, like you know,

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<v Speaker 1>we've had capturing cash strain, which but I think the

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<v Speaker 1>reports are due to that injury that it's it's it's

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<v Speaker 1>likely that the achilles that got ruptured because of what happened.

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<v Speaker 1>But that being said, I don't want to I don't

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<v Speaker 1>want to harp on it. You know, the meat the

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<v Speaker 1>sports media has done way way, way too much with

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<v Speaker 1>the overemphasation of injuries and showing it and reshowing. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't want to get on that. What I want to

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<v Speaker 1>get on is the fact that we had taken for

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<v Speaker 1>granted because Halliburton did play in Game six, that we

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<v Speaker 1>didn't know what state he would actually be in going

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<v Speaker 1>into Game seven, and I feel bad because that's what

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<v Speaker 1>you want, you know, you want your players, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>to try to give it a go. But we've seen

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<v Speaker 1>this so many times over. I'm just hoping that this

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<v Speaker 1>injury is an injury that he can fully recover from.

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<v Speaker 1>I hope that he takes his time and allows his

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<v Speaker 1>body to properly heal. But I just feel bad for

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<v Speaker 1>the Indiana Pacers because for that to happen as early

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<v Speaker 1>as it did probably was good in a sense. But

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<v Speaker 1>it still just feels bad because we didn't get the

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<v Speaker 1>best of the Indiana Pacers, and in a game in

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<v Speaker 1>which they had an opportunity in that fourth quarter, they

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<v Speaker 1>were still within striking distance. You know, you want your

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<v Speaker 1>closer out there on the basketball court. You want the

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<v Speaker 1>person that we have seen throughout this playoffs doing something

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<v Speaker 1>that probably could have been to your point when you

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<v Speaker 1>tweeted it was improbable, right, doing some of the improbable

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<v Speaker 1>things that they just couldn't find in anyone in that

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<v Speaker 1>fourth quarter that ultimately allowed the Oklahoma City Thunder to

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<v Speaker 1>create that distance and keep that distance for them to

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<v Speaker 1>help me win the championship.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, when you have a player like Tyrese Elbert, and

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<v Speaker 2>I think we gave him all the praise in Game

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<v Speaker 2>six because it wasn't this, oh he dropped thirty forty points.

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<v Speaker 2>It was like fourteen and five. But I think it

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<v Speaker 2>was a leadership aspect in this game. He had nine

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<v Speaker 2>points in the first five minutes before going out, and

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<v Speaker 2>I'd say that he's been to finish with thirty or forty.

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<v Speaker 2>But you could tell like he sends something right. I

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<v Speaker 2>even tweeted as that, like, oh, he's got his villain

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<v Speaker 2>hat on because he was talking to the crowd chirbin

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<v Speaker 2>like he was getting his guys going. And that is

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<v Speaker 2>just the unfortunate risk. I think most players at this

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<v Speaker 2>stage of their career, this getting to this stage of

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<v Speaker 2>the NBA season, they probably would have tried to play

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<v Speaker 2>through it. And I know, I know, and even hindsight

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<v Speaker 2>is twenty twenty like it's the wrong move to make.

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<v Speaker 2>It is because now he's jeopardized now another season in advance.

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<v Speaker 2>We first learned about this towards the end of Game five,

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<v Speaker 2>then going into Game six, it was like, well, Indiana

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<v Speaker 2>ultimately shut him down. Listen, I have so much credit

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<v Speaker 2>I want to give to that young man for putting

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<v Speaker 2>literally you know, part of his season in his career

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<v Speaker 2>on the line. Here for a chance to win an

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<v Speaker 2>NBA championship and to be that spark for his Indiana

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<v Speaker 2>Pacers team when they really needed it, but ultimately it

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't in the cards. He goes down the replay. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>sure anybody who's watched the finals you saw a thousand

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<v Speaker 2>times over. Yes, it looks like you see that ripple

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<v Speaker 2>effect kind of happen in his leg. And it does

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<v Speaker 2>seem to be that unfortunate situation where wld b Achilles

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<v Speaker 2>injury and now the Indiana Pacers are going to be

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<v Speaker 2>facing a season probably now without Tyrese Haliburton after this miraculous,

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<v Speaker 2>miraculous run that nobody saw coming. No.

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<v Speaker 1>But and again, you know, we can sit here and

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<v Speaker 1>we can speak about it, and you know, but let's

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<v Speaker 1>also give credit to the Oklahoma City Thunder, Right. The

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<v Speaker 1>Oklahoma City Thunder ultimately rested on what got them to

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<v Speaker 1>this point, and they really really leaned in on what

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<v Speaker 1>has made them a special team this season, and that

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<v Speaker 1>was their ability to play defense to the highest level

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<v Speaker 1>when needed and to force the Indiana Pacers to turn

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<v Speaker 1>the ball over at really just at an insurmountable rate.

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<v Speaker 1>There's no way that you can overcome a team that

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<v Speaker 1>plays very sound, you know how, I was tweeting throughout

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<v Speaker 1>the rest of this game on what I feel about

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<v Speaker 1>them offensively. But when you can hang your hat on

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<v Speaker 1>the nobility for them to turn the other team over,

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<v Speaker 1>you force that team to value every single possession that

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<v Speaker 1>they can muster, and to do it without having their

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<v Speaker 1>best player. It just felt so insurmountable. Now, at the

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<v Speaker 1>same time, the Oklahoma City Thunder surely looked like a

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<v Speaker 1>team that was nervous, and they played scared basketball really

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<v Speaker 1>throughout the fourth quarter, because there was nothing that was

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<v Speaker 1>giving me any indication that they knew how to put

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<v Speaker 1>the foot on the neck of the opposition, knowing that

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<v Speaker 1>they were wounded. And because they had a twenty point

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<v Speaker 1>lead in the beginning of that fourth quarter and it

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<v Speaker 1>came down to a ten point lead by the time

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<v Speaker 1>that we even get to the midway point, that told

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<v Speaker 1>you that this team was searching and praying that the

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<v Speaker 1>clock could not run any faster for them to get

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<v Speaker 1>in and out of this situation and become the champions.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's a learning lesson, but maybe that was the

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<v Speaker 1>best learning lesson for them that maybe they felt confident

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<v Speaker 1>enough that they knew that their defense can hold when

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<v Speaker 1>it absolutely mattered the most, and it showed when they

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<v Speaker 1>needed it to, when they couldn't find a bucket and

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<v Speaker 1>a drop in the ocean. You know what I'm saying,

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<v Speaker 1>Like they just listen. Like I said, I'm gonna give

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<v Speaker 1>you a floor to you on that part of it.

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<v Speaker 1>But what I saw from this team offensively in that

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<v Speaker 1>fourth quarter, that was why I was tweeting, like the

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<v Speaker 1>Facers should put the pressure on them. I really want

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<v Speaker 1>to see what version of the Oklahoma City thunder, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>reflects in those final minutes that fourth quarter.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's interesting because I think I think I saw

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<v Speaker 2>a tweet. I don't remember who it was, so my apologies,

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<v Speaker 2>but somebody said, like, if the Pacers are not being

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<v Speaker 2>turned over, or I guess it's the other way. If okay,

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<v Speaker 2>see not turning teams over, then they become a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit more average. And I think what Indiana has been

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<v Speaker 2>able to avoid for the better part of the series,

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<v Speaker 2>why they've had high turnover games. They weren't necessarily live

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<v Speaker 2>ball turnovers where they were getting crushed. And I sent

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<v Speaker 2>you a tweet from Kirk Goldsbury. You know where it was.

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<v Speaker 2>I think twenty eight to seven or something like that,

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<v Speaker 2>or twenty five to seven, I think, you know, in

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<v Speaker 2>terms of points off turnovers. Okay, see that ends up

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<v Speaker 2>being thirty two to ten in his totality at the

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<v Speaker 2>end of the game. So twenty one turnovers for the

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<v Speaker 2>Indana Facers turned into thirty two points for the Oklahoma

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<v Speaker 2>City Thunder. That, in a lot of ways was the difference.

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<v Speaker 2>In addition to that crazy, crazy, crazy third quarter where

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<v Speaker 2>you just saw OKAC came out and their effort was different,

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<v Speaker 2>Like there's when you're watching basketball as long as we

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<v Speaker 2>have and I'm sure many of our fans listeners have,

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<v Speaker 2>like you can see and feel when momentum is shifting,

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<v Speaker 2>and that third quarter was very much that they just

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<v Speaker 2>came out. They were quicker to the ball, they were

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<v Speaker 2>more assertive, you know, they were pounding the glass. The

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<v Speaker 2>offensive rebounds weren't crazy, but the second chance points were

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<v Speaker 2>in favor of Indiana. I think it was twenty two

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<v Speaker 2>to fifteen in favor of Indiana, while thirteen to twelve

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<v Speaker 2>in terms of offensive rebounds between the two teams, sorry,

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<v Speaker 2>twenty two in favor of OKC in terms of second

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<v Speaker 2>chance points. That to me, I think was a difference.

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<v Speaker 2>In addition, think Doorsborg indicated seventeen more shots you know,

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<v Speaker 2>as a result of those turnovers for OKC as well too.

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<v Speaker 2>They just had more bites at the proverbial apple and

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<v Speaker 2>the TJ. McConnell magic just wasn't enough to kind of

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<v Speaker 2>keep them going and close in the third quarter. And

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<v Speaker 2>while they had a great run in the fourth and

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<v Speaker 2>we saw some shades of Nadig Mathern kind of trying

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<v Speaker 2>to do his thing, there just wasn't enough other pacers

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<v Speaker 2>they are available to really turn the tide offensively, even

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<v Speaker 2>while OKAC was starting to struggle a little bit in

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<v Speaker 2>that fourth quarter offensively.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that third quarter Shaw was you know, I want

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<v Speaker 1>to say gut renching. That third quarter was was hard

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<v Speaker 1>to watch for Indandiana Pacers. But as a person who

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<v Speaker 1>just loves a team that just plays that hard nosed defense,

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<v Speaker 1>was impressed. This was the This was the defense that

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<v Speaker 1>I thought OKC could have in most quarters, especially the

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<v Speaker 1>third of this NBA Finals. And you know, I tweeted

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<v Speaker 1>that this was the first time that I actually saw

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<v Speaker 1>the Oklahoma City Thunder team minus the blowouts, this was

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<v Speaker 1>the first time that I saw them impose their will

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<v Speaker 1>defensively in the second half of games. It's usually in

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<v Speaker 1>off the cliffs, so to speak. Or an adjustment that

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<v Speaker 1>heels and forces them to be offensively minded when there

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<v Speaker 1>is clearly a crack in their defense. So this was

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<v Speaker 1>the first time that I actually saw the Oklahoma City

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<v Speaker 1>Thunder defense really, really really amp it up to another level,

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<v Speaker 1>to even a degree where I'm not trying to say

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<v Speaker 1>that Tyre's Halliburton would have been a difference maker, but

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<v Speaker 1>I will say this, as much as we applauded the

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<v Speaker 1>was really interesting too. He's like, listen, we're applauding TJ

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<v Speaker 1>McConnell because he's having himself an awesome third quarter. But

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<v Speaker 1>let's not forget he also turned the ball over six times.

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<v Speaker 1>He finished with seven turnovers in the game. But this

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<v Speaker 1>is a byproduct of asking TJ McConnell to do. What

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<v Speaker 1>I'm saying, Like, if you had an actual floor general

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<v Speaker 1>like Tyrese Haliburton who doesn't turn the ball over as much.

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<v Speaker 1>That takes the pressure off a guy TJ. McConnell, and

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<v Speaker 1>I think, and then you know also as well too

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<v Speaker 1>Andrew Nemmar. He had a really good game. But again,

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<v Speaker 1>when you don't have someone who is like a floor general,

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<v Speaker 1>the propensity of certain players getting the ball at times

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<v Speaker 1>is just falling right into the Oklahoma City Thunder's hands

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<v Speaker 1>because they love to blitz and trap right or trap

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<v Speaker 1>in blitz, and that just became prevalent throughout the whole

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<v Speaker 1>course of the game, and especially in that third quarter

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<v Speaker 1>where okay See dropped a thirty four piece on it.

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<v Speaker 1>To your point about what you were saying before about

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<v Speaker 1>the turnovers, I had indicated that like the margin of

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<v Speaker 1>those turnovers happened in that third quarter, which is why

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<v Speaker 1>you saw the disparity that you know, where the lead

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<v Speaker 1>ballooned to twenty points. It was all within that framework

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<v Speaker 1>of time of turnover points accumulated by okay See, turnover

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<v Speaker 1>points accumulated by Okacee. So yeah, you know, unfortunately, you

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<v Speaker 1>cannot afford to turn the ball over against this Oklahoma

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<v Speaker 1>offensive output, and it was too little, too late for

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<v Speaker 1>the Indiana Pacers, who did make that fourth quarter surge

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<v Speaker 1>and put the pressure back on Oklahoma City to figure

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<v Speaker 1>out a way to put the ball in the basket,

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<v Speaker 1>which was really more via through free throws because outside

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<v Speaker 1>of that Sga three that happened within the first you know,

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<v Speaker 1>fifty seconds of the game, which then you're looking like, oh, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>Sga jacking up a three on a one on one situation,

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<v Speaker 1>is he really feeling himself? You really just saw the

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<v Speaker 1>rest of that offense from OKC just kind of you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it was just out of sources. The shot selection was porous.

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<v Speaker 1>There was nothing great about what you saw offensively, but

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<v Speaker 1>you could clearly tell they were just trying to survive

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<v Speaker 1>the quarter.

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<v Speaker 2>You are, you are for a team that just won

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<v Speaker 2>the ABHM. You're very hard on them, I got it,

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<v Speaker 2>and you've been very hard on them throughout the course

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<v Speaker 2>of this. Of the of the five mills, but seven

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<v Speaker 2>turnovers in the third quarter by the Indiana Pacers also

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<v Speaker 2>your your favorite thing to the Pacers, you know, shot

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<v Speaker 2>a bunch of threes in that third quarter, but got

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<v Speaker 2>five of them. That Lou Dort miracle. I feel like,

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<v Speaker 2>feel like thirty footer in the middle of the third.

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<v Speaker 1>I was just like, and now you're calling out miracles.

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<v Speaker 2>That was a miracle shot. I mean, and it's Lou Dort,

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<v Speaker 2>so like, you know, shot clock winding down, I got

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<v Speaker 2>nothing else to do, and nothing but bottoms like straight

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<v Speaker 2>splash on that. But there was a turning point there.

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<v Speaker 2>I think I have the scorner. I don't have the

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<v Speaker 2>summary in front of me, but I think it was

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<v Speaker 2>Indiana had actually tied the game sixty two to sixty

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<v Speaker 2>two or something like that. SGA comes down immediately immediately

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<v Speaker 2>and just drills with three like boom, all right, so

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<v Speaker 2>they go back up three. Next position, you know, Indiana

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't score. What of the case to be? They come

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<v Speaker 2>back down. SGA on the baseline is trapped. Turner does

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<v Speaker 2>a great job to send help, but SJA was masterful

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<v Speaker 2>all night long. While he didn't shoot it great, he

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<v Speaker 2>was great at getting others involved. And as he's falling away,

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<v Speaker 2>as Turner comes to CONSSS, he kicks over to chet

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<v Speaker 2>Holmgren homegrind cans of three. Very next position, Indiana turns

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<v Speaker 2>it over. SGA gets in the lane bottled up again,

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<v Speaker 2>kicks it out to Jaalen Williams on the wing three

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<v Speaker 2>that rolls, bounces out, and ultimately goes in nine straight

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<v Speaker 2>points right after Indiana tied the game in that third

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<v Speaker 2>quarter off of finally Myles turn actually made a three

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<v Speaker 2>point shot to tie the game, and then nine straight

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<v Speaker 2>points off of three pointers, which you don't ordinarily expect

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<v Speaker 2>from okay See, that to me was like, man, maybe

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<v Speaker 2>this really is Okayc's night. In addition to that lou

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<v Speaker 2>Dort three, in addition to the gentlemen Williams, the layup

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<v Speaker 2>that should have been called for travel, all that happened

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<v Speaker 2>in the third quarter, All those things went in okay

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<v Speaker 2>Ce's favor and you could just kind of see like, dang,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, maybe this was it. And before you jump

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<v Speaker 2>back in, I had this one last thing to say,

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<v Speaker 2>because it was a very much a topic of conversation,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, on social media this evening, why Siakam did

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<v Speaker 2>not play the majority part of that third quarter, why

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<v Speaker 2>he was resting for as much as he did. Everyone

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<v Speaker 2>was like, Sakam has to play at least forty minutes,

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<v Speaker 2>Like like he has to get to forty I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I think Carlisle was still like, hey, well,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, we were up in the middle at halftime

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<v Speaker 2>rather and then you saw okay see started to make

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<v Speaker 2>the run. But Siakam was out for a good portion

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<v Speaker 2>of that run. And that's something that I think he's

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<v Speaker 2>going to be kicking himself for a little bit now

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<v Speaker 2>because you can't get these moments back. It is the

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<v Speaker 2>last it's last game of the season, so only thirty

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<v Speaker 2>seven minutes for for Siakam total, and he sat for

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<v Speaker 2>a good portion that through a quorter, which I think

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<v Speaker 2>many people would agree was pretty much a big mistake.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a big mistake. But let me ask you

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<v Speaker 1>this question. Maybe let me throw this back at you,

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<v Speaker 1>and then I'll get back to my you know, my

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<v Speaker 1>rant about the Oklahoma City thunder. That does that work

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<v Speaker 1>for you? Let me ask you, Let me ask you

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<v Speaker 1>the question. Let me ask you this question. And I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know whether or not maybe I'm only looking at

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<v Speaker 1>this within the perspective of the game itself, or maybe

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<v Speaker 1>this is something that I saw a little bit more

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<v Speaker 1>as well through through through the course of the Finals.

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<v Speaker 1>But I felt like when it came to the TJ

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<v Speaker 1>Magic was most of that while Siakam was on or

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<v Speaker 1>off the court. Okay. So, and I'm not saying that

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<v Speaker 1>this is this this was or wasn't the play, Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>I can definitely say this though. If TJ mccollonell is

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<v Speaker 1>on a heater and you're seeing more aggressiveness than him,

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<v Speaker 1>and we've been saying that, you know, with Siakam, he

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<v Speaker 1>has his moments where he can you know, everyone keeps

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<v Speaker 1>saying that he is the best mismatch that the Pacers

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<v Speaker 1>could have had in this series against the Oklahoma City Thunder. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not saying that Pascal Siakam didn't understand that or

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<v Speaker 1>didn't recognize that either, But what I'm saying is is

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<v Speaker 1>that there's still lacked that level of aggression to try

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<v Speaker 1>to take things over. And I'm not saying force it.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just saying, just try and take things over. Then

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<v Speaker 1>you have this guy who's coming off the bench, who's

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<v Speaker 1>basically given you ten points in a quarter in which

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<v Speaker 1>you could already sense that like you're rolling the dice,

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<v Speaker 1>like you're pushing your chips all in. You cannot you

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<v Speaker 1>can no longer wait for your guys Siakam to figure

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<v Speaker 1>it out or find it or whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just on the bench. I mean, I mean he's

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<v Speaker 2>on the bench in the game.

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<v Speaker 1>I under stand that. But what I'm saying to you

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<v Speaker 1>Shaw is are you saying, Okay, take McConnell off, because

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<v Speaker 1>clearly the both of them can't function on the court.

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<v Speaker 1>But somebody scoring the basketball for you. Okay, okay, okay, fine.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not saying it is true. What I'm saying is

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<v Speaker 2>is that like Hopping out there, who was basically he

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<v Speaker 2>did absolutely nothing right. So Toping usually stubbing in for

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<v Speaker 2>order the case of or they might play Topping and

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<v Speaker 2>Siakam together, Turner is going to be out. Carlo could

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<v Speaker 2>not get anything out out of Tony Bradley, which five minutes.

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<v Speaker 2>But in those five minutes, it was it was like

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<v Speaker 2>watching a nightmare, at least for me, because you could

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<v Speaker 2>just tell the moment was too big for him. In

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<v Speaker 2>that third quarter, those top in minutes, Uh, maybe they

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<v Speaker 2>should have been complimented or supplemented by Siam because is

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<v Speaker 2>your horse, he's your lead guy, especially with Albert, and

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<v Speaker 2>that's I'm not saying you shouldn't play. I'm not saying

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not saying that man was cooking or not.

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<v Speaker 1>But Sean, I'm not saying you shouldn't play. But what

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<v Speaker 1>I'm saying is is that if there is a struggle

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<v Speaker 1>for him to find either his offense or find his

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<v Speaker 1>game when you have someone who's obviously making it work

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<v Speaker 1>and it's just not functioning between the two of them,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just saying, I don't know what else you would

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<v Speaker 1>what else you would think Carlisle can do, because it's

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<v Speaker 1>up to Siakam to figure out a way to make

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<v Speaker 1>it work. And I'm not saying that you're not right

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<v Speaker 1>that he shouldn't have put him in there. I'm just

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<v Speaker 1>saying that clearly something was not right with the both

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<v Speaker 1>of them on the court at the same time or

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<v Speaker 1>else state. He should have been on the court, no question.

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<v Speaker 1>But I don't know if you have the luxury of saying, well,

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<v Speaker 1>how long do we wait to figure that part of

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<v Speaker 1>it out? As you're seeing the lead balloon and you

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<v Speaker 1>only have one person who's actually scoring the basketball and

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<v Speaker 1>he really shouldn't have been the main scorer on your

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<v Speaker 1>team at this point, but he ultimately was. He ultimately

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<v Speaker 1>was right TJ mcconnumell, ultimately was your main scorer in

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<v Speaker 1>that third quarter he's the only one who is really

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<v Speaker 1>making shots, who's even putting the all KC defense in

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<v Speaker 1>check given the fact that your team is turning the

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<v Speaker 1>all over a lot more than you're actually scoring the basketball.

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<v Speaker 2>All Right, well, I'm going to switch the conversation because

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<v Speaker 2>I think this is leaning more towards how Indiana lost

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<v Speaker 2>it and more about how Okay, see, he won won

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<v Speaker 2>the championship. And I think, you know, shen Holmgren, who

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<v Speaker 2>I called out at the end of Game six, while

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<v Speaker 2>he was able to really get the best a Miles

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<v Speaker 2>Turner tonight and get the best of Indiana tonight in

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<v Speaker 2>all ways, you know, five blocks just really a great presence.

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<v Speaker 2>While he didn't great at the free throw line obviously

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<v Speaker 2>or whatever the case you be, but his interior defense

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<v Speaker 2>was was massive, and again he had some very very

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<v Speaker 2>timely shots, and we saw some level of aggression from

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<v Speaker 2>him actually in that fourth corner where he kind of

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<v Speaker 2>got a dunk when Indiana was trying to make their

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<v Speaker 2>you know air quote, comeback if you will. I got

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<v Speaker 2>to give shouts to chn holger Man. You know you

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<v Speaker 2>finished with eighteen points. It was eight rebounds in five blocks,

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<v Speaker 2>six of eight. Wasn't you know, overly trying to do

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<v Speaker 2>too much when it came like he kind of picked

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<v Speaker 2>the spots I think, you know appropriately. And then Jaylen

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<v Speaker 2>Williams as well too, you know, finishing with twenty points

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<v Speaker 2>again didn't shoot it well. I think the telecast was

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<v Speaker 2>saying his risk might have been bothering or whatever the

418
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<v Speaker 2>case would be. But he had a couple of comedy

419
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<v Speaker 2>shots as well, driving to the basket, pulling up, hit

420
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<v Speaker 2>a couple of threes. This this OKAC team was tough

421
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<v Speaker 2>led by what SGA did. And you saw SGA played

422
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<v Speaker 2>forty minutes tonight, right, Doctor Knott wasn't like, oh it's

423
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<v Speaker 2>game seven, let me you know, listen, shea played forty minutes.

424
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<v Speaker 2>So that's I think the only thing that we were

425
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<v Speaker 2>asking for carl Out to do on the other side.

426
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<v Speaker 2>But this Okay see team, We're not going to get

427
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<v Speaker 2>into the whole legacy talk and all of that. When

428
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<v Speaker 2>they look when that third quarter was, they looked as

429
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<v Speaker 2>dominant as they had any point during the course of

430
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<v Speaker 2>the season so far, and that's where they become really

431
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<v Speaker 2>really scary. But similarly, similarly and almost to why I

432
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<v Speaker 2>think you Soono may be alluding to while this Okac

433
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<v Speaker 2>team is young, and they even have a lot of

434
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<v Speaker 2>repick who didn't play for them this year, Like most

435
00:22:48.039 --> 00:22:50.279
<v Speaker 2>people don't know that their lottery pick was was injured

436
00:22:50.359 --> 00:22:52.119
<v Speaker 2>or whatever, so you know they'll be able to get

437
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<v Speaker 2>him in tow. I don't know that this said anything

438
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<v Speaker 2>about to the rest of the league, where they feel like,

439
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<v Speaker 2>no what they it on lock. Similar to when Boston

440
00:23:01.880 --> 00:23:05.039
<v Speaker 2>won last year, especially playing the three ball, everyone was like, yeah,

441
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<v Speaker 2>they're good, but we're not afraid of them, and you

442
00:23:06.799 --> 00:23:08.559
<v Speaker 2>saw teams go out there and make moves in essence

443
00:23:08.599 --> 00:23:10.519
<v Speaker 2>to answer what they thought they needed to do to

444
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<v Speaker 2>the Boston Celtics. I thought I still picked Okac in seven,

445
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<v Speaker 2>you picked OKC in five. I thought you were going

446
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<v Speaker 2>to be right, because I just thought Okac was gonna

447
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<v Speaker 2>really dominate this series, and it just it just didn't happen.

448
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<v Speaker 2>And I think that probably bodes well for a lot

449
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<v Speaker 2>of the other teams in the NBA to say, you know,

450
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<v Speaker 2>maybe we can't get this guy. Maybe this isn't this

451
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<v Speaker 2>dynasty in the making, despite how young they aren't, despite

452
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<v Speaker 2>how good they are, I don't think teams are gonna

453
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<v Speaker 2>stop trying to chase them. And see if they can

454
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<v Speaker 2>catch Sam Pressy and this Oklahoma City Thunder team and

455
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<v Speaker 2>see if they can get an NBA hip championship next year.

456
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<v Speaker 1>Your tune to the baseline Cali Warrenshaw discussing the hot

457
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<v Speaker 1>button topics of the NBA are Game seven discussion of

458
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<v Speaker 1>the NBA Finals of Oklahoma City Thunder or the champions.

459
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<v Speaker 1>They defeat the Indiana Pacers, one of the three to

460
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<v Speaker 1>ninety one for the franchise's first ever championship. So to

461
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<v Speaker 1>your point, Shaw, I think who I want some want

462
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<v Speaker 1>to give praise to is coach Dagonal because I saw

463
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<v Speaker 1>a subtle adjustment that was made one more so that

464
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<v Speaker 1>to me, I thought maybe it would have been a risk.

465
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<v Speaker 1>But I like the fact that Daggs put Dort on

466
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<v Speaker 1>TJ McConnell. And while TJ McConnell is obviously faster than

467
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<v Speaker 1>Lou Dort, having a bigger body on TJ McConnell, I

468
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<v Speaker 1>think kind of exposed a little bit more. And I

469
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<v Speaker 1>appreciate the fact that Dort took pride. You know, everybody's

470
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<v Speaker 1>focusing and you were focusing on his hail mayy three.

471
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<v Speaker 1>I was focusing on how he basically made it very

472
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<v Speaker 1>difficult for TJ McConnell. He made TJ McConnell work in

473
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<v Speaker 1>that fourth court, and I think that also eased up

474
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<v Speaker 1>a little bit of the tension that was going on

475
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<v Speaker 1>defensively when the Pacers would be able to put case

476
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<v Speaker 1>Thunder on its heels. And then I also got to

477
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<v Speaker 1>give credit, man. I know that SGA is the MVP,

478
00:25:05.559 --> 00:25:09.200
<v Speaker 1>very very much well deserved, but Man, Alex Caruso tonight

479
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<v Speaker 1>was so big. And let me say this Shaw because

480
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<v Speaker 1>we had this conversation in our Game six wrap up

481
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<v Speaker 1>with regards to, you know, my biggest issue with the

482
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<v Speaker 1>Oklahoma City Thunder and the propensity to shoot the three.

483
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<v Speaker 1>The fact that Alex Caruso in that first quarter came

484
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<v Speaker 1>out and he hit a big three point shot. I

485
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<v Speaker 1>think he had like six points for the Oklahoma City Thunder. Yeah,

486
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<v Speaker 1>that to me was huge because it was either going

487
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<v Speaker 1>to be one of two things. It's either that offensively,

488
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<v Speaker 1>the strategy was move the basketball, get the best open look,

489
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<v Speaker 1>and if the open look is a three, take it.

490
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<v Speaker 1>And you clearly start out a lot tonight by the

491
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<v Speaker 1>Oklahoma City Thunder or the Indiana Pacers are forcing them

492
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<v Speaker 1>to shoot the three in which you can clearly see. Again,

493
00:25:56.279 --> 00:25:59.480
<v Speaker 1>the Oklahoma City Thunder kind of struggled, but they got

494
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<v Speaker 1>the three when it mattered the most. And it's ironic

495
00:26:01.960 --> 00:26:04.440
<v Speaker 1>because the Indiana Pacers would really have only been in

496
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<v Speaker 1>this game because of the fact that they were making

497
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<v Speaker 1>their threes because they they could not score in the paint.

498
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<v Speaker 1>It was so difficult for them to be able to

499
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<v Speaker 1>score in the paint in the beginning. I think the

500
00:26:13.359 --> 00:26:16.480
<v Speaker 1>Okahoma City Thunder had like a twenty one to nine

501
00:26:16.519 --> 00:26:20.359
<v Speaker 1>advantage going into the coming out of halftime as far

502
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<v Speaker 1>as paint points go. But the reason why the Indiana

503
00:26:23.279 --> 00:26:26.119
<v Speaker 1>Pacers were still in that game and ultimately we're in

504
00:26:26.119 --> 00:26:28.119
<v Speaker 1>striking distances because they were hitting the threes at a

505
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<v Speaker 1>better clip than Oklahoma City Thunder. But if you got

506
00:26:30.920 --> 00:26:35.799
<v Speaker 1>role players like Caruso, guys like home Grin, guys like

507
00:26:35.880 --> 00:26:39.400
<v Speaker 1>Cason Wallace hitting those threes that they could not be

508
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<v Speaker 1>they were not hitting throughout the course of this NBA Finals,

509
00:26:42.920 --> 00:26:48.480
<v Speaker 1>that played huge because eventually it allowed Sga to go downhill,

510
00:26:48.680 --> 00:26:51.519
<v Speaker 1>Williams to go downhill because that's their defense. It's just

511
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<v Speaker 1>like the ISO ball. Wait for those guys to do

512
00:26:53.400 --> 00:26:55.759
<v Speaker 1>that thing and then eventually somebody's going to be open

513
00:26:55.799 --> 00:26:58.400
<v Speaker 1>for them to jack up the three. I don't like it,

514
00:26:58.680 --> 00:27:02.960
<v Speaker 1>but it worked for them because ultimately, again they rested

515
00:27:03.000 --> 00:27:05.200
<v Speaker 1>their hat on what they were giving on the defensive

516
00:27:05.240 --> 00:27:08.160
<v Speaker 1>side of the basketball. And again, if the Pacers don't

517
00:27:08.160 --> 00:27:10.160
<v Speaker 1>have someone else as a floor general to move that

518
00:27:10.279 --> 00:27:12.759
<v Speaker 1>ball to get guys where they need to be, it

519
00:27:12.799 --> 00:27:14.799
<v Speaker 1>makes things a little bit easier and it takes the

520
00:27:14.799 --> 00:27:18.000
<v Speaker 1>pressure off of those guys to be more offensive minded

521
00:27:18.039 --> 00:27:20.400
<v Speaker 1>when they're calling card is them being defensive?

522
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<v Speaker 2>Mind? Yeah? I mean forty points are sorry, forty three

523
00:27:24.160 --> 00:27:26.960
<v Speaker 2>point attempts for OKC tonight, So some of those coming

524
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<v Speaker 2>in the fourth quarter. You know, Sga was two of twelve,

525
00:27:30.160 --> 00:27:33.279
<v Speaker 2>you know, not not super sexy, I think from his lens, But.

526
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<v Speaker 1>Go ahead, I love how you it's not super sexy.

527
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<v Speaker 2>Two of twelve, Oh, I mean, you know, it's not

528
00:27:40.160 --> 00:27:42.279
<v Speaker 2>really his game. But he hit a couple that were

529
00:27:42.440 --> 00:27:44.759
<v Speaker 2>kind of an essence backbreak and the two he hit,

530
00:27:45.119 --> 00:27:48.279
<v Speaker 2>you know, were thunderous, you know, pun intended. But forty

531
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<v Speaker 2>points in the paint for OKC tonight, right in one

532
00:27:50.559 --> 00:27:53.680
<v Speaker 2>hundred and three points total score, twenty points off the bench.

533
00:27:53.759 --> 00:27:56.920
<v Speaker 2>Both Caruso and Caseon Wallace the only guys to hit anything,

534
00:27:57.119 --> 00:27:59.079
<v Speaker 2>and they combined for foot hitting four threes off the

535
00:27:59.079 --> 00:28:00.960
<v Speaker 2>bench to four of the eleven threes. Okay, see hit.

536
00:28:01.359 --> 00:28:05.759
<v Speaker 2>So the bench production was more from the defensive side tonight.

537
00:28:06.480 --> 00:28:08.519
<v Speaker 2>You know, even Williams and Wiggins when they came in

538
00:28:08.599 --> 00:28:11.799
<v Speaker 2>like they were, they were pesky and they kind of

539
00:28:11.799 --> 00:28:13.720
<v Speaker 2>got in the way of Indiana and helped force some

540
00:28:13.759 --> 00:28:16.279
<v Speaker 2>of those turnovers. But all the scoring came from Crusoe

541
00:28:16.279 --> 00:28:19.359
<v Speaker 2>and Wallace. Mathurin scoring off the bench conversy for Niana

542
00:28:19.720 --> 00:28:22.519
<v Speaker 2>little of misnomer because he started in the second half

543
00:28:22.519 --> 00:28:25.240
<v Speaker 2>and playing so many minutes because he basically was Haliburton sub,

544
00:28:25.319 --> 00:28:28.359
<v Speaker 2>you know, once that went out. So yes, technically he scored,

545
00:28:28.400 --> 00:28:30.240
<v Speaker 2>you know, more than them off the bench, but he

546
00:28:30.359 --> 00:28:32.640
<v Speaker 2>was essentially like the starter, you know, as as the

547
00:28:32.640 --> 00:28:35.440
<v Speaker 2>game kind of like progress unfortunately due to Haliburn's injury.

548
00:28:35.720 --> 00:28:40.319
<v Speaker 2>But I'm thinking about now for Oka, see when they

549
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<v Speaker 2>go into this offseason, s g A as the you know,

550
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<v Speaker 2>as the MVP finishing off what was a truly, truly miraculous,

551
00:28:49.000 --> 00:28:51.400
<v Speaker 2>miraculous season. I think Silver had said, I don't remember

552
00:28:51.440 --> 00:28:53.359
<v Speaker 2>what year it was, but he's the first guy to

553
00:28:53.440 --> 00:28:56.599
<v Speaker 2>kind of like do it all, scoring champion final MVP

554
00:28:56.799 --> 00:29:00.359
<v Speaker 2>and Finals MVP like that hasn't happened in however many years.

555
00:29:00.880 --> 00:29:02.960
<v Speaker 2>This okay See team now you feel like it should

556
00:29:03.279 --> 00:29:06.359
<v Speaker 2>have what it takes right. They have been battle tested twice,

557
00:29:06.480 --> 00:29:09.119
<v Speaker 2>winning two game sevens on the way to the NBA Championship,

558
00:29:09.400 --> 00:29:11.480
<v Speaker 2>knocking off literally the best player in the game in

559
00:29:11.920 --> 00:29:14.960
<v Speaker 2>Nicolo Jokic, you know, in that semi finals round, and

560
00:29:14.960 --> 00:29:16.880
<v Speaker 2>then getting all they can handle here in a game

561
00:29:16.920 --> 00:29:20.960
<v Speaker 2>seven against the Indiana Pacers. The future is absolutely bright

562
00:29:21.240 --> 00:29:23.559
<v Speaker 2>for for Oka See, and you want to see them

563
00:29:23.599 --> 00:29:26.480
<v Speaker 2>now figure out that next level of dog. I'd be interested.

564
00:29:26.480 --> 00:29:28.440
<v Speaker 2>I don't want to jump too far far ahead, but

565
00:29:28.519 --> 00:29:30.839
<v Speaker 2>I don't know like it'll be similar to Boston. I think, like,

566
00:29:30.880 --> 00:29:32.200
<v Speaker 2>I don't think we're going to see them like, oh,

567
00:29:32.240 --> 00:29:33.839
<v Speaker 2>we need to go out here and win sixty eight

568
00:29:33.880 --> 00:29:36.400
<v Speaker 2>games in the regular season like they may rest some

569
00:29:36.559 --> 00:29:37.920
<v Speaker 2>you know what I mean, and feel like, all right, well,

570
00:29:37.920 --> 00:29:40.119
<v Speaker 2>we need to keep our guys healthy. Maybe we get

571
00:29:40.160 --> 00:29:41.960
<v Speaker 2>some of these other younger guys some more reps and

572
00:29:41.960 --> 00:29:44.680
<v Speaker 2>more opportunities so that we can be even deeper, because

573
00:29:44.680 --> 00:29:47.160
<v Speaker 2>that if there is maybe something too fault is that

574
00:29:47.240 --> 00:29:49.839
<v Speaker 2>maybe offensively, as you've alluded to you, they don't have

575
00:29:49.920 --> 00:29:52.720
<v Speaker 2>the overall continuity and they are a little bit top heavy.

576
00:29:52.920 --> 00:29:55.759
<v Speaker 2>But another year of development for chet Holmgrim, another year

577
00:29:55.759 --> 00:29:58.279
<v Speaker 2>of development even for Aaron Wiggins, you know, within this

578
00:29:58.359 --> 00:30:01.160
<v Speaker 2>system and this OKAC t can just continue to be

579
00:30:01.440 --> 00:30:03.640
<v Speaker 2>as fumatile as we saw, but even more fumative than

580
00:30:03.680 --> 00:30:05.960
<v Speaker 2>we saw excuse me, you know as on their way

581
00:30:06.039 --> 00:30:08.240
<v Speaker 2>to the twenty twenty five NBA Championship. Yeah.

582
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<v Speaker 1>One of the things that I think has really impressed

583
00:30:10.160 --> 00:30:13.839
<v Speaker 1>me throughout the course of this this finals run for

584
00:30:14.079 --> 00:30:18.480
<v Speaker 1>OKAC is they stay true to who they were, and

585
00:30:18.519 --> 00:30:22.599
<v Speaker 1>I think that to me resonates with similar to what

586
00:30:22.640 --> 00:30:25.599
<v Speaker 1>we saw with the with the Bus and Celtics last year. Like,

587
00:30:25.960 --> 00:30:30.240
<v Speaker 1>as much as I kind of loathed and I more

588
00:30:30.279 --> 00:30:34.680
<v Speaker 1>appreciated team that knows how to adjust and adapt, I

589
00:30:34.720 --> 00:30:37.960
<v Speaker 1>can also respect a team that says we're going to

590
00:30:38.039 --> 00:30:40.480
<v Speaker 1>be who we are and we are going to go

591
00:30:40.640 --> 00:30:43.640
<v Speaker 1>down as that as such, We're not going to sit

592
00:30:43.680 --> 00:30:48.119
<v Speaker 1>here and suddenly, you know, adopt an Amba like mentality

593
00:30:49.240 --> 00:30:54.319
<v Speaker 1>and and and suddenly you know, just change because another

594
00:30:54.359 --> 00:30:56.839
<v Speaker 1>team is based us for it basically forced us to

595
00:30:56.880 --> 00:31:00.400
<v Speaker 1>be or apply ourselves differently. So I respect effect that

596
00:31:00.440 --> 00:31:05.039
<v Speaker 1>the Oklahoma City thunder maintained who they were and if

597
00:31:05.079 --> 00:31:08.160
<v Speaker 1>nothing else, doubled down on who they were. Whether or

598
00:31:08.240 --> 00:31:10.960
<v Speaker 1>not we agree or don't agree, this is why they're

599
00:31:11.000 --> 00:31:13.359
<v Speaker 1>the NBA champions because they did it better than every

600
00:31:13.359 --> 00:31:16.559
<v Speaker 1>other team that was there, including the Indiana Pacers. Okay,

601
00:31:17.240 --> 00:31:19.039
<v Speaker 1>but with that being said, and you brought up a

602
00:31:19.160 --> 00:31:23.880
<v Speaker 1>very interesting point where the growth is for this team, right,

603
00:31:26.480 --> 00:31:29.039
<v Speaker 1>It's why I think there is gonna be parody going

604
00:31:29.079 --> 00:31:33.400
<v Speaker 1>into this upcoming season because if you look at this team,

605
00:31:34.000 --> 00:31:39.000
<v Speaker 1>this team, as good as they are, there are certain

606
00:31:39.079 --> 00:31:44.079
<v Speaker 1>players in which they still need a chance for them

607
00:31:44.079 --> 00:31:45.799
<v Speaker 1>to be able to develop. And how they go about

608
00:31:45.799 --> 00:31:48.240
<v Speaker 1>developing themselves I think goes a long way on that

609
00:31:48.720 --> 00:31:55.079
<v Speaker 1>aspect of continuity. Like Sga is definitely an MVP like

610
00:31:55.200 --> 00:31:58.920
<v Speaker 1>kind of player we've seen, Like with Jordan, Jordan could

611
00:31:58.960 --> 00:32:01.359
<v Speaker 1>have probably stayed being the kind of player that he was,

612
00:32:01.440 --> 00:32:06.000
<v Speaker 1>but he evolved, Right, he didn't need a three point shot,

613
00:32:06.279 --> 00:32:09.640
<v Speaker 1>but that NBA, in the style of that game, you know,

614
00:32:09.920 --> 00:32:12.279
<v Speaker 1>didn't have to allow him to do so because he

615
00:32:12.440 --> 00:32:15.359
<v Speaker 1>changed other aspects to how he attacked the basket, how

616
00:32:15.359 --> 00:32:17.160
<v Speaker 1>he got to the free throw line, you know, and

617
00:32:17.640 --> 00:32:19.920
<v Speaker 1>things of that nature. And with SGA, I think this

618
00:32:20.000 --> 00:32:22.759
<v Speaker 1>year is an interesting year because you actually see him

619
00:32:22.759 --> 00:32:25.079
<v Speaker 1>now more of as a point guard, and you saw

620
00:32:25.119 --> 00:32:28.160
<v Speaker 1>that tonight with him double digits and assists right like

621
00:32:28.200 --> 00:32:32.799
<v Speaker 1>you saw elements of him very Curry esque in a way.

622
00:32:33.119 --> 00:32:36.440
<v Speaker 1>But what I appreciate about him is that there's still

623
00:32:37.319 --> 00:32:40.000
<v Speaker 1>levels to his game improvement, Like he can get a

624
00:32:40.000 --> 00:32:42.480
<v Speaker 1>little bit bigger, he can get a little bit faster.

625
00:32:42.640 --> 00:32:45.880
<v Speaker 1>It's not like he's at the end. He's just now ascending.

626
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<v Speaker 1>So it'll be interesting where this level of him as

627
00:32:49.039 --> 00:32:52.200
<v Speaker 1>an MVP kind of player takes him and how his

628
00:32:52.279 --> 00:32:56.039
<v Speaker 1>ability to score the basketball with the level of efficiency,

629
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<v Speaker 1>can can he even be more efficient? Can he be

630
00:32:59.400 --> 00:33:01.720
<v Speaker 1>even more deadly now that he has the ball in

631
00:33:01.759 --> 00:33:04.720
<v Speaker 1>his hands and could facilitate because that part of his game.

632
00:33:04.759 --> 00:33:06.799
<v Speaker 1>Most guys usually take three or four years down the

633
00:33:06.880 --> 00:33:09.559
<v Speaker 1>road if their primary scores before they get around to

634
00:33:09.640 --> 00:33:12.200
<v Speaker 1>being that kind of that kind of superstar or that

635
00:33:12.319 --> 00:33:13.200
<v Speaker 1>kind of star player.

636
00:33:13.839 --> 00:33:16.119
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I will agree with that. I think there's the

637
00:33:16.160 --> 00:33:19.960
<v Speaker 2>notion that like he's he is truly and clearly clearly

638
00:33:20.079 --> 00:33:23.599
<v Speaker 2>the lead guy. And while he has like the Rold

639
00:33:23.640 --> 00:33:25.440
<v Speaker 2>definement and no case he like, there's not really a

640
00:33:25.519 --> 00:33:27.720
<v Speaker 2>question about it. We don't really have Jillian Williams or

641
00:33:27.759 --> 00:33:29.599
<v Speaker 2>ch Aed Hilmgan like yo, I need more touches like

642
00:33:29.759 --> 00:33:32.799
<v Speaker 2>nipping at SGA's heels. But I think as the league

643
00:33:32.799 --> 00:33:36.119
<v Speaker 2>gets more smart and more used to kind of like

644
00:33:36.240 --> 00:33:38.880
<v Speaker 2>what he does, even though he's very hard in essence

645
00:33:38.920 --> 00:33:41.400
<v Speaker 2>to guard because he's so snaky and sleep and slinky,

646
00:33:41.920 --> 00:33:43.759
<v Speaker 2>you know, especially dribbling into basketball. I think them hard

647
00:33:43.759 --> 00:33:45.480
<v Speaker 2>did a bottles good a job as you can possibly

648
00:33:45.480 --> 00:33:47.039
<v Speaker 2>do want him throughout the course of the regular season,

649
00:33:47.480 --> 00:33:51.880
<v Speaker 2>the short course of the playoffs. Robber, but Williams, Holmgren,

650
00:33:52.279 --> 00:33:57.680
<v Speaker 2>Wallace Wiggins, all those guys have more levels. And I

651
00:33:57.720 --> 00:34:00.279
<v Speaker 2>think it's to me like they got here withes she

652
00:34:00.440 --> 00:34:03.079
<v Speaker 2>being the lead guy, like truly like the alpha and

653
00:34:03.119 --> 00:34:06.920
<v Speaker 2>the MVP, And I don't know how that roleing do

654
00:34:06.960 --> 00:34:10.400
<v Speaker 2>relation might shift slightly? You know? Does he say, all right, well,

655
00:34:10.480 --> 00:34:13.280
<v Speaker 2>I do have more help now, right, because the difference,

656
00:34:13.320 --> 00:34:16.159
<v Speaker 2>like I say, from last year with Boston, right, let's

657
00:34:16.199 --> 00:34:19.000
<v Speaker 2>even go back to them and then we'll use another example.

658
00:34:19.400 --> 00:34:22.280
<v Speaker 2>But Tatum wasn't an MVP guy. He was in the

659
00:34:22.360 --> 00:34:25.159
<v Speaker 2>MVP conversation, but clearly the league guy and his team

660
00:34:25.679 --> 00:34:28.280
<v Speaker 2>but didn't wasn't equipped in that sense to take on

661
00:34:28.719 --> 00:34:32.559
<v Speaker 2>kind of the workload that SGA, that Sha did, or

662
00:34:32.639 --> 00:34:35.719
<v Speaker 2>even Joki the year before that. Right, Like, it's just

663
00:34:35.719 --> 00:34:38.800
<v Speaker 2>like there's there's truly levels to it. And I think

664
00:34:38.880 --> 00:34:42.159
<v Speaker 2>what's good about OKAC is that they may still be

665
00:34:42.199 --> 00:34:44.559
<v Speaker 2>able to find out because all of them, they have

666
00:34:44.639 --> 00:34:47.039
<v Speaker 2>so much young talent that is still ascending and still

667
00:34:47.039 --> 00:34:50.760
<v Speaker 2>getting better. With Boston last year, it took mossoula kind

668
00:34:50.760 --> 00:34:53.360
<v Speaker 2>of like changing the kind of the role definement around

669
00:34:53.480 --> 00:34:56.039
<v Speaker 2>and allowing it to be a little bit more democratic. Well, yes,

670
00:34:56.159 --> 00:34:59.280
<v Speaker 2>JT was a lead dude, Brown like had to figure

671
00:34:59.280 --> 00:35:01.239
<v Speaker 2>out his spots out better instead of trying to like

672
00:35:01.280 --> 00:35:03.760
<v Speaker 2>compete with JT. Then you had Derek White come in,

673
00:35:03.800 --> 00:35:05.960
<v Speaker 2>Then you had Porzingis come in and give them another element.

674
00:35:06.400 --> 00:35:09.239
<v Speaker 2>I think Okay season a better position than a scene

675
00:35:09.239 --> 00:35:12.840
<v Speaker 2>like a Boston because those younger guys are still on

676
00:35:12.920 --> 00:35:15.800
<v Speaker 2>the rise, and I think SGA can say, you know what,

677
00:35:15.840 --> 00:35:18.039
<v Speaker 2>maybe I don't need to do as much or if

678
00:35:18.039 --> 00:35:20.199
<v Speaker 2>I do, well, I know we can win this way

679
00:35:20.239 --> 00:35:22.519
<v Speaker 2>as well. I think we will see Okay, see trying

680
00:35:22.559 --> 00:35:24.920
<v Speaker 2>to figure out different ways in the sends to be

681
00:35:25.000 --> 00:35:28.199
<v Speaker 2>able to command their offense and get buckets. And remember

682
00:35:28.280 --> 00:35:30.400
<v Speaker 2>check missed so much time this year. Was it fifty

683
00:35:30.440 --> 00:35:34.119
<v Speaker 2>games you missed or whatever? Uh? Thunder again. They're they're poise, man,

684
00:35:34.119 --> 00:35:36.559
<v Speaker 2>They're poised for a really really to be a really

685
00:35:36.599 --> 00:35:38.480
<v Speaker 2>really good team for a very very long time. And

686
00:35:38.480 --> 00:35:41.199
<v Speaker 2>they have great ownership and great general management as well too.

687
00:35:41.519 --> 00:35:43.840
<v Speaker 2>So I'm anxious to see how this how the season

688
00:35:43.920 --> 00:35:46.639
<v Speaker 2>goes offseason and goes into next year. But man, just

689
00:35:46.719 --> 00:35:49.880
<v Speaker 2>what a complete complete performance from them. And you know,

690
00:35:49.920 --> 00:35:52.239
<v Speaker 2>they they they did it the hard way, and they'd

691
00:35:52.320 --> 00:35:53.880
<v Speaker 2>learned some things along the way here that I think

692
00:35:53.880 --> 00:35:55.760
<v Speaker 2>they're going to take to take to them take with

693
00:35:55.800 --> 00:35:57.920
<v Speaker 2>them rather excuse me going into future seasons.

694
00:35:58.239 --> 00:36:00.880
<v Speaker 1>Absolutely, I want to I want to switch gears now

695
00:36:01.000 --> 00:36:03.159
<v Speaker 1>and talk about the Indiana Pacers real quick, shaw and

696
00:36:03.199 --> 00:36:05.679
<v Speaker 1>then we can probably you know, throw our final comments

697
00:36:05.960 --> 00:36:08.679
<v Speaker 1>you know about what we you know what you know

698
00:36:08.760 --> 00:36:12.159
<v Speaker 1>the Oklahoma City Thunder and you know, just just the

699
00:36:12.199 --> 00:36:16.320
<v Speaker 1>achievement in the accomplishment. But with the Indiana Pacers, they're

700
00:36:16.320 --> 00:36:20.079
<v Speaker 1>an interesting team because to your to what we were

701
00:36:20.119 --> 00:36:22.880
<v Speaker 1>just talking about, with the Oklahoma City Thunder, I think

702
00:36:22.920 --> 00:36:26.840
<v Speaker 1>you can definitely make the argument that the Indiana Pacers

703
00:36:28.360 --> 00:36:33.920
<v Speaker 1>have about as well balanced a group as far as

704
00:36:34.000 --> 00:36:40.360
<v Speaker 1>veteran and young players. Barring that, you know, the you

705
00:36:40.360 --> 00:36:43.400
<v Speaker 1>know that they're not going to be you know, hampered,

706
00:36:43.400 --> 00:36:45.559
<v Speaker 1>and salary is going to be an issue, you know,

707
00:36:45.679 --> 00:36:48.000
<v Speaker 1>with the with the players that they do need to

708
00:36:48.079 --> 00:36:50.079
<v Speaker 1>keep or want to keep in things of that nature.

709
00:36:50.840 --> 00:36:54.119
<v Speaker 1>But the core of this team, I think there's so

710
00:36:54.199 --> 00:36:56.360
<v Speaker 1>much upside with Nie Smith, there's so much upside with

711
00:36:56.480 --> 00:37:00.559
<v Speaker 1>them Hart, there's so much upside with Topping, and you've

712
00:37:00.559 --> 00:37:06.280
<v Speaker 1>got really solid grounded players like McConnell. I want to

713
00:37:06.280 --> 00:37:09.840
<v Speaker 1>throw Benedict Mantherin in the in the mix, but you know,

714
00:37:09.960 --> 00:37:12.679
<v Speaker 1>we'll wait, We'll wait and see. He has his moments,

715
00:37:12.760 --> 00:37:16.920
<v Speaker 1>but when when he when his head is right, he

716
00:37:17.039 --> 00:37:20.159
<v Speaker 1>to me has about as much upside as I've ever seen.

717
00:37:20.320 --> 00:37:22.519
<v Speaker 1>Like I at one point, I would have wanted to

718
00:37:22.559 --> 00:37:25.280
<v Speaker 1>have seen him, you know, be starting I think he

719
00:37:25.320 --> 00:37:27.400
<v Speaker 1>had it was a window an opportunity to do so.

720
00:37:27.760 --> 00:37:30.320
<v Speaker 1>But I also respect the fact that he actually recognized

721
00:37:30.320 --> 00:37:32.920
<v Speaker 1>that this team is better suited with the lineup that

722
00:37:32.960 --> 00:37:35.920
<v Speaker 1>Carlisle had put out there, and he gladly came in

723
00:37:36.239 --> 00:37:40.239
<v Speaker 1>and assumed that six seven man role coming in and

724
00:37:40.360 --> 00:37:42.239
<v Speaker 1>has really been a be in his you know, it

725
00:37:42.239 --> 00:37:44.800
<v Speaker 1>has been been a benefactor of that. And I think

726
00:37:44.840 --> 00:37:47.559
<v Speaker 1>that growth maturity because you've posted it, you tweeted it

727
00:37:47.559 --> 00:37:51.199
<v Speaker 1>as well too, Homie gonna be chucking from next season,

728
00:37:51.679 --> 00:37:53.599
<v Speaker 1>and I want to see I want to see him,

729
00:37:53.760 --> 00:37:56.079
<v Speaker 1>you know, have that mentality. I think when he has

730
00:37:56.079 --> 00:38:00.480
<v Speaker 1>an aggressive mentality to score the basketball, the Pacers bowl well.

731
00:38:02.400 --> 00:38:06.079
<v Speaker 1>So to me, this team equally, I think is going

732
00:38:06.159 --> 00:38:09.239
<v Speaker 1>to have a lot to say, you know, and I

733
00:38:09.239 --> 00:38:12.000
<v Speaker 1>get it, Halliburton will probably not be here for most

734
00:38:12.000 --> 00:38:14.239
<v Speaker 1>of the season, if not all of the season, But

735
00:38:14.320 --> 00:38:18.519
<v Speaker 1>I don't think that diminishes the level of grittiness and

736
00:38:18.679 --> 00:38:21.480
<v Speaker 1>play that you can still get from the Indiana Pacers.

737
00:38:21.679 --> 00:38:24.119
<v Speaker 1>And we still have an off season. You know, we'll

738
00:38:24.159 --> 00:38:26.480
<v Speaker 1>be talking about what the Boston Celtics are going to do,

739
00:38:27.039 --> 00:38:29.599
<v Speaker 1>you know with their off season. Danana Pacers, even though

740
00:38:29.639 --> 00:38:32.480
<v Speaker 1>they lost Haliburton, they still have a lot of great

741
00:38:33.000 --> 00:38:38.039
<v Speaker 1>players on that team to make them worth saying. Let's

742
00:38:38.039 --> 00:38:41.239
<v Speaker 1>still put somebody on there. Find somebody on here who

743
00:38:41.320 --> 00:38:43.239
<v Speaker 1>may not be a Halliburton, but you sure as hell

744
00:38:43.320 --> 00:38:45.440
<v Speaker 1>can give us a lot for what this team has

745
00:38:45.440 --> 00:38:48.119
<v Speaker 1>been able to show us throughout the course of this finals,

746
00:38:48.119 --> 00:38:49.960
<v Speaker 1>in the playoffs run ultimately as well.

747
00:38:50.440 --> 00:38:53.719
<v Speaker 2>I mean Indiana is they're just not going to be

748
00:38:53.840 --> 00:38:56.000
<v Speaker 2>as good as they would they were hoping, right, I

749
00:38:56.000 --> 00:38:58.000
<v Speaker 2>think they would have been the favorite going into next year.

750
00:38:58.280 --> 00:39:00.480
<v Speaker 2>But there is still talent here and I think, of

751
00:39:00.559 --> 00:39:03.920
<v Speaker 2>nothing else we should not count them out. But if

752
00:39:03.960 --> 00:39:06.280
<v Speaker 2>we were going to precede them going to the next

753
00:39:06.320 --> 00:39:09.719
<v Speaker 2>season as a one or two seed, I just don't

754
00:39:09.760 --> 00:39:11.559
<v Speaker 2>know how you could do that without Halliburn, Like I

755
00:39:11.639 --> 00:39:14.280
<v Speaker 2>just don't. And while we think Mattherurin has all the

756
00:39:14.280 --> 00:39:16.559
<v Speaker 2>talent in the world, I think we all know Nemhart

757
00:39:16.639 --> 00:39:20.400
<v Speaker 2>is a quality starter within the NBA and is going

758
00:39:20.440 --> 00:39:23.440
<v Speaker 2>to produce in a real magical way next year. In

759
00:39:23.440 --> 00:39:27.079
<v Speaker 2>addition to Siakam. I just can't see how they can

760
00:39:27.119 --> 00:39:29.639
<v Speaker 2>get back to this level. And this isn't me just

761
00:39:29.679 --> 00:39:31.880
<v Speaker 2>doubting them like I was in the beginning of this year.

762
00:39:32.440 --> 00:39:34.639
<v Speaker 2>I just don't see how they could do it without Halliburn.

763
00:39:34.920 --> 00:39:37.239
<v Speaker 2>And now I don't know the question with Miles Turner.

764
00:39:37.920 --> 00:39:40.599
<v Speaker 2>I think Shams has said going into this, you know, hey,

765
00:39:41.360 --> 00:39:43.440
<v Speaker 2>he's been the longest tender to pay serr. He's been

766
00:39:43.480 --> 00:39:45.760
<v Speaker 2>here nine long years and hasn't gotten a you know,

767
00:39:45.800 --> 00:39:49.000
<v Speaker 2>hasn't sniffed the finals or whatever like this. This is

768
00:39:49.039 --> 00:39:51.119
<v Speaker 2>kind of his reward and that they were going to

769
00:39:51.199 --> 00:39:54.440
<v Speaker 2>definitely ultimately pay him. This guy shot i think six

770
00:39:54.480 --> 00:39:56.440
<v Speaker 2>to twenty eight from the three point line in the

771
00:39:56.559 --> 00:39:58.840
<v Speaker 2>NBA Finals, And yes, I know he's a big but

772
00:39:58.880 --> 00:40:01.360
<v Speaker 2>like he's supposed to be a stre five and that three

773
00:40:01.480 --> 00:40:03.800
<v Speaker 2>wasn't working for him. And then he also doesn't have

774
00:40:03.880 --> 00:40:06.840
<v Speaker 2>this great back, you know, post up game as well too.

775
00:40:06.920 --> 00:40:09.679
<v Speaker 2>So I'm just trying to figure out what is a

776
00:40:09.679 --> 00:40:11.920
<v Speaker 2>long term play even with Miles Turner. Now, do they

777
00:40:11.960 --> 00:40:13.840
<v Speaker 2>just kind of grandfathered in, like, hey, we have this

778
00:40:14.360 --> 00:40:16.360
<v Speaker 2>miraculous run, so we're still going to give you the

779
00:40:16.360 --> 00:40:19.199
<v Speaker 2>loot regardless. But when you know that Halliburn is also

780
00:40:19.280 --> 00:40:21.199
<v Speaker 2>going to miss like a full year as well too,

781
00:40:21.239 --> 00:40:25.679
<v Speaker 2>do you just do that? I think it changes the

782
00:40:25.719 --> 00:40:27.760
<v Speaker 2>course of a team's history when you have an injury

783
00:40:27.840 --> 00:40:29.800
<v Speaker 2>like this. So we're seeing this already. We saw this

784
00:40:29.880 --> 00:40:32.480
<v Speaker 2>with Dame Lillard now with Milwaukee and whether what's the

785
00:40:32.519 --> 00:40:34.760
<v Speaker 2>future of the bus with Gianni Sans Takompo. Now we

786
00:40:34.840 --> 00:40:36.960
<v Speaker 2>saw that with Jason Tatum. What are they going to do?

787
00:40:37.000 --> 00:40:39.480
<v Speaker 2>We know massive changes are coming to the Celtics' offseason,

788
00:40:39.679 --> 00:40:41.760
<v Speaker 2>and while I don't think massive changes are coming to

789
00:40:41.760 --> 00:40:45.239
<v Speaker 2>the Indiana Pacers, I don't know that what they were

790
00:40:45.280 --> 00:40:47.960
<v Speaker 2>going to do is still what they are now going

791
00:40:48.000 --> 00:40:50.440
<v Speaker 2>to do as a result of a Halliburn injury. I

792
00:40:50.440 --> 00:40:52.079
<v Speaker 2>think this changes a couple of things for them going

793
00:40:52.119 --> 00:40:52.760
<v Speaker 2>into the summer.

794
00:40:53.159 --> 00:40:56.320
<v Speaker 1>Well, I agree with you on that part. I do

795
00:40:56.360 --> 00:41:01.000
<v Speaker 1>think that it's interesting because these injuries kind of expose

796
00:41:01.119 --> 00:41:06.400
<v Speaker 1>a little bit more about what we as fans often assume.

797
00:41:06.639 --> 00:41:09.159
<v Speaker 1>If let's say, for example, the Indiana Pacers did win

798
00:41:09.199 --> 00:41:12.159
<v Speaker 1>a championship, I think you could probably present the same

799
00:41:12.280 --> 00:41:15.199
<v Speaker 1>arguments that you're making right now, Sean, saying, well, will

800
00:41:15.199 --> 00:41:16.960
<v Speaker 1>they be good enough for them to be able to

801
00:41:17.039 --> 00:41:21.079
<v Speaker 1>run it back? And almost you know by forcing that

802
00:41:21.079 --> 00:41:23.480
<v Speaker 1>that thought process of saying you got to run it

803
00:41:23.519 --> 00:41:26.960
<v Speaker 1>back with that same team doesn't necessarily merit or mean

804
00:41:27.000 --> 00:41:28.800
<v Speaker 1>that they're going to be able to give back, you know,

805
00:41:28.840 --> 00:41:31.400
<v Speaker 1>to the NBA Finals. You know, even if you did

806
00:41:31.440 --> 00:41:36.320
<v Speaker 1>have Haliburton healthy, right, you may make that you may

807
00:41:36.360 --> 00:41:40.599
<v Speaker 1>make that drastic change because you recognize that long term wise,

808
00:41:41.199 --> 00:41:43.360
<v Speaker 1>is it better that you do it only for this

809
00:41:43.400 --> 00:41:46.280
<v Speaker 1>one time if you had or hadn't won the championship,

810
00:41:46.360 --> 00:41:48.800
<v Speaker 1>or you're trying to do that for multiple times with

811
00:41:48.880 --> 00:41:51.159
<v Speaker 1>the kind of roster that you're trying to build, and

812
00:41:51.199 --> 00:41:53.960
<v Speaker 1>there's only been a couple or a handful of executives

813
00:41:54.079 --> 00:41:57.639
<v Speaker 1>will ultimately have adopted that kind of mentality, one of

814
00:41:57.639 --> 00:42:01.039
<v Speaker 1>which now has just won himself in NBAH Championship after

815
00:42:01.119 --> 00:42:04.440
<v Speaker 1>how many times, you know, after how many versions of

816
00:42:04.800 --> 00:42:07.440
<v Speaker 1>a roster he's been able to put together. So I

817
00:42:07.440 --> 00:42:10.440
<v Speaker 1>think you pose a very interesting questions as it pertains

818
00:42:10.480 --> 00:42:14.079
<v Speaker 1>to Miles Turner. I think where I was going with

819
00:42:14.239 --> 00:42:17.760
<v Speaker 1>to your point, Shaw is if you choose to keep

820
00:42:17.800 --> 00:42:21.679
<v Speaker 1>the core as it as it is, you know, do

821
00:42:21.760 --> 00:42:25.320
<v Speaker 1>the Pacers still look to get say, you know, a

822
00:42:25.400 --> 00:42:28.559
<v Speaker 1>veteran guy that's out there may not score the basketball

823
00:42:28.639 --> 00:42:32.199
<v Speaker 1>like a Halliburton, However he fits right in with his

824
00:42:32.320 --> 00:42:36.920
<v Speaker 1>ability to have opportunities to score the basketball, you know,

825
00:42:37.280 --> 00:42:40.159
<v Speaker 1>like you know, like Halliburton would be able to in

826
00:42:40.280 --> 00:42:43.440
<v Speaker 1>this kind of offense. And you really kind of sip

827
00:42:43.559 --> 00:42:46.639
<v Speaker 1>set up the way that this team plays at such

828
00:42:46.639 --> 00:42:49.440
<v Speaker 1>a frenetic up and down pace and things of that nature,

829
00:42:49.599 --> 00:42:52.639
<v Speaker 1>that it's not about the Halliburton the closer, or maybe

830
00:42:52.679 --> 00:42:55.400
<v Speaker 1>Halliburton the ball distributor or whatever the case may be,

831
00:42:55.480 --> 00:42:59.719
<v Speaker 1>but collectively, the whole team altogether just you know, a

832
00:42:59.760 --> 00:43:03.440
<v Speaker 1>mass is a good successful campaign to give themselves a

833
00:43:03.559 --> 00:43:06.039
<v Speaker 1>chance to try to make a similar run to what

834
00:43:06.079 --> 00:43:07.719
<v Speaker 1>they did. They're not going to be the best team

835
00:43:07.760 --> 00:43:11.400
<v Speaker 1>to your point, but again, given the climate of where

836
00:43:11.400 --> 00:43:14.320
<v Speaker 1>we are with the Eastern Conference, it's hard not to

837
00:43:14.360 --> 00:43:17.440
<v Speaker 1>imagine that the Indiana Pacers, with the young core of

838
00:43:17.480 --> 00:43:20.320
<v Speaker 1>talent that they already have established and what they've shown

839
00:43:20.400 --> 00:43:22.239
<v Speaker 1>us through the course of this run second half of

840
00:43:22.280 --> 00:43:25.239
<v Speaker 1>the season and getting to the NBA Finals, that they

841
00:43:25.280 --> 00:43:27.159
<v Speaker 1>probably are going to wind up being on the better

842
00:43:27.239 --> 00:43:30.880
<v Speaker 1>side of whatever that outcome might look like without Halliburton

843
00:43:31.119 --> 00:43:33.480
<v Speaker 1>than we do say about other teams that we have

844
00:43:33.559 --> 00:43:36.679
<v Speaker 1>seen lose their top player and literally just fall off

845
00:43:36.679 --> 00:43:38.360
<v Speaker 1>a clip, like to the point where they're like hanging

846
00:43:38.400 --> 00:43:40.480
<v Speaker 1>around maybe the nine or ten seed or not even

847
00:43:40.639 --> 00:43:41.679
<v Speaker 1>in playing contention.

848
00:43:42.119 --> 00:43:44.079
<v Speaker 2>Well, I mean, there's something to be said about continuity,

849
00:43:44.440 --> 00:43:48.079
<v Speaker 2>you know, team building and a team chemistry, and this

850
00:43:48.119 --> 00:43:51.639
<v Speaker 2>Indiana Pacer team does have that going for them. So

851
00:43:52.719 --> 00:43:55.440
<v Speaker 2>I don't feel like they are a destination. Even with

852
00:43:55.480 --> 00:43:58.000
<v Speaker 2>an NBA Finals run, you know what is not like

853
00:43:58.119 --> 00:44:00.920
<v Speaker 2>an amazing They're not going to have an opportunity for

854
00:44:00.960 --> 00:44:04.679
<v Speaker 2>I think an amazing draft pick here now. So do

855
00:44:04.719 --> 00:44:07.519
<v Speaker 2>they get a disabled player at exemption? You know with Haliburton,

856
00:44:07.559 --> 00:44:09.760
<v Speaker 2>more than likely. But what does that get them in

857
00:44:09.840 --> 00:44:12.400
<v Speaker 2>terms of being able to attract somebody? I think if

858
00:44:12.400 --> 00:44:14.199
<v Speaker 2>you're trying to make a trade with then you're looking

859
00:44:14.239 --> 00:44:17.480
<v Speaker 2>at potentially disrupting You're already team chemistry, right, So where

860
00:44:17.519 --> 00:44:19.000
<v Speaker 2>does that put you? It puts you in a in

861
00:44:19.039 --> 00:44:22.280
<v Speaker 2>a really really strange juxtaposition. So maybe they just bring

862
00:44:22.360 --> 00:44:24.079
<v Speaker 2>them Miles Turner back and say, you know, bump it.

863
00:44:24.480 --> 00:44:25.679
<v Speaker 2>We'll give them, We'll give them whatever.

864
00:44:26.199 --> 00:44:29.559
<v Speaker 1>Would wouldn't it wouldn't wouldn't it be funny? I'm sorry,

865
00:44:29.639 --> 00:44:31.239
<v Speaker 1>let me let me get into my j low bag.

866
00:44:31.639 --> 00:44:34.639
<v Speaker 1>Ain't it funny? Wouldn't it be funny if they if

867
00:44:34.679 --> 00:44:38.320
<v Speaker 1>they figured out a way to bring back playoff.

868
00:44:37.880 --> 00:44:45.119
<v Speaker 2>P not a chance but but not not a chance.

869
00:44:45.320 --> 00:44:47.960
<v Speaker 2>But I'm sure if Philadelphia would be happy to do anything.

870
00:44:48.000 --> 00:44:50.119
<v Speaker 2>I mean, there's rumors about him going to Utah right now,

871
00:44:50.159 --> 00:44:54.239
<v Speaker 2>so you know, god bless. But but ultimately I think

872
00:44:54.280 --> 00:44:57.119
<v Speaker 2>they have cheap contracts on the books like top end, Niece, Smith,

873
00:44:57.119 --> 00:45:01.360
<v Speaker 2>and McConnell all under fifteen million dollars each. But if

874
00:45:01.400 --> 00:45:03.639
<v Speaker 2>you move anyone or even a combination of those guys,

875
00:45:03.639 --> 00:45:05.480
<v Speaker 2>what are you getting back? You know? And then are

876
00:45:05.480 --> 00:45:08.440
<v Speaker 2>you having are you going to attach draft equity or

877
00:45:08.440 --> 00:45:10.840
<v Speaker 2>capitable in essence to try to do something when you

878
00:45:10.880 --> 00:45:13.239
<v Speaker 2>know Haliburton should be back the year after. I don't know,

879
00:45:13.320 --> 00:45:16.000
<v Speaker 2>Like the whole aspect of a gap year is something

880
00:45:16.039 --> 00:45:18.679
<v Speaker 2>that most teams do not want to do. Take your

881
00:45:18.679 --> 00:45:21.639
<v Speaker 2>Miami Heat for for example, like they just refuse. But

882
00:45:21.679 --> 00:45:25.760
<v Speaker 2>then there's certain times forced into those gap years, you know, unceremoniously.

883
00:45:25.960 --> 00:45:28.440
<v Speaker 2>So what ends up added with the Indiana is something

884
00:45:28.480 --> 00:45:31.320
<v Speaker 2>that we will be absolutely keeping a close eye on

885
00:45:31.360 --> 00:45:33.960
<v Speaker 2>as we're going into the summer here now because Haliburton

886
00:45:34.039 --> 00:45:37.199
<v Speaker 2>thing really makes it a more difficult situation for Kevin

887
00:45:37.199 --> 00:45:40.239
<v Speaker 2>Pritchard Carlisle Company to figure out, right, well, who can

888
00:45:40.320 --> 00:45:44.800
<v Speaker 2>we really be next year realistically without jeopardizing our future

889
00:45:44.800 --> 00:45:46.800
<v Speaker 2>for when how he does ultimately come back, because Haliburn's

890
00:45:46.800 --> 00:45:49.840
<v Speaker 2>only what like twenty four to twenty five, so he's

891
00:45:49.960 --> 00:45:51.320
<v Speaker 2>not done. You know, it's not the end of his

892
00:45:51.360 --> 00:45:53.559
<v Speaker 2>career in any search of imagination, so he should return

893
00:45:53.559 --> 00:45:56.159
<v Speaker 2>from this. But again you're looking at least probably a

894
00:45:56.239 --> 00:45:56.679
<v Speaker 2>year from.

895
00:45:56.599 --> 00:45:59.880
<v Speaker 1>Now before that happens. Yes, at least at least that

896
00:46:01.039 --> 00:46:04.119
<v Speaker 1>I wanted to. I wanted to kind of chime in

897
00:46:04.159 --> 00:46:06.719
<v Speaker 1>on something you said before, because you were mentioning how

898
00:46:06.719 --> 00:46:10.159
<v Speaker 1>the Indiana Pacers is quote unquote not an attractable market.

899
00:46:10.559 --> 00:46:12.760
<v Speaker 1>I presume that you were talking about, you know, any

900
00:46:13.320 --> 00:46:18.480
<v Speaker 1>off season person targeting, you know, going to a market

901
00:46:18.599 --> 00:46:24.800
<v Speaker 1>that well, it's more viable, right, gives them a little

902
00:46:25.440 --> 00:46:26.000
<v Speaker 1>free agents.

903
00:46:26.079 --> 00:46:28.719
<v Speaker 2>I think role players will ultimately go there and feel like, hey,

904
00:46:28.719 --> 00:46:30.480
<v Speaker 2>this is a place I can thrive, Carl out can

905
00:46:30.480 --> 00:46:32.679
<v Speaker 2>coach me up. I may get an opportunity, especially with

906
00:46:32.719 --> 00:46:34.840
<v Speaker 2>how he not being there, But they're not looking at

907
00:46:34.840 --> 00:46:37.639
<v Speaker 2>any stars I think coming into this, into this into

908
00:46:37.679 --> 00:46:39.280
<v Speaker 2>this team, which.

909
00:46:39.719 --> 00:46:42.719
<v Speaker 1>Which you know I would I would probably not if

910
00:46:42.719 --> 00:46:45.000
<v Speaker 1>I'm the Uniana Pacers, I wouldn't be thinking about it

911
00:46:45.079 --> 00:46:47.559
<v Speaker 1>in that context, but I would. I we wanted to

912
00:46:47.599 --> 00:46:49.639
<v Speaker 1>make sure that I was understanding what you were saying

913
00:46:49.639 --> 00:46:51.960
<v Speaker 1>and your you know, you were clarifying that part of it,

914
00:46:52.000 --> 00:46:56.199
<v Speaker 1>because in my head. I'm thinking Indiana to me is

915
00:46:56.280 --> 00:47:01.599
<v Speaker 1>one of those few franchises right now. Given what they

916
00:47:01.639 --> 00:47:04.960
<v Speaker 1>were able to do, they are riding on the momentum

917
00:47:05.320 --> 00:47:07.800
<v Speaker 1>of something very similar to what we saw with the

918
00:47:07.840 --> 00:47:11.719
<v Speaker 1>San Antonio Spurst, where I don't think the market itself

919
00:47:14.199 --> 00:47:19.840
<v Speaker 1>is determining or dictating ultimately what kind of player they

920
00:47:19.920 --> 00:47:22.480
<v Speaker 1>need to have or would like to have come to

921
00:47:22.519 --> 00:47:26.360
<v Speaker 1>the franchise. I think it's what we've seen, and we've

922
00:47:26.400 --> 00:47:29.119
<v Speaker 1>alluded to this that this was the best scenario for

923
00:47:29.199 --> 00:47:32.639
<v Speaker 1>the NBA. While people are not enamored with this matchup

924
00:47:32.679 --> 00:47:36.159
<v Speaker 1>between the Thunder and the Pacers, this is absolutely awesome

925
00:47:36.440 --> 00:47:39.960
<v Speaker 1>to see this happen because if you are a star player,

926
00:47:40.039 --> 00:47:42.679
<v Speaker 1>or if you're a player who really is about quote

927
00:47:42.760 --> 00:47:46.239
<v Speaker 1>unquote winning and being in a winning situation, it really

928
00:47:46.280 --> 00:47:49.480
<v Speaker 1>forces the narrative, what would make you not want to

929
00:47:49.519 --> 00:47:52.800
<v Speaker 1>go to Indiana and play under a guy like Rick Carlisle.

930
00:47:52.880 --> 00:47:54.400
<v Speaker 1>What would not make you want to go and play

931
00:47:54.440 --> 00:47:56.239
<v Speaker 1>next to a guy like Nem Harden, a guy like

932
00:47:56.320 --> 00:47:58.960
<v Speaker 1>Nie Smith, and a guy like Miles Turner and not

933
00:47:59.079 --> 00:48:01.800
<v Speaker 1>think that what you can bring to the table will

934
00:48:01.920 --> 00:48:04.920
<v Speaker 1>enable this team to return back to an NBA finals

935
00:48:05.119 --> 00:48:07.000
<v Speaker 1>Like I think what I'm trying to allude to is

936
00:48:07.039 --> 00:48:09.519
<v Speaker 1>not so much as the selfishness of the star player,

937
00:48:09.840 --> 00:48:13.840
<v Speaker 1>because they're looking at maximizing their value and their brand.

938
00:48:14.199 --> 00:48:17.000
<v Speaker 1>But ultimately, if all you kept talking about was winning

939
00:48:17.039 --> 00:48:20.199
<v Speaker 1>a championship, well, there's a team right there that needs

940
00:48:20.239 --> 00:48:23.320
<v Speaker 1>another piece in order to get closer to that championship.

941
00:48:23.599 --> 00:48:26.039
<v Speaker 1>What would stop you now from not doing it right?

942
00:48:26.360 --> 00:48:29.239
<v Speaker 1>And I think that now can be elevated into an

943
00:48:29.320 --> 00:48:33.119
<v Speaker 1>actual conversation where it could be taken seriously, because before,

944
00:48:33.480 --> 00:48:35.599
<v Speaker 1>I think a lot of it was all smoking mirrors

945
00:48:35.599 --> 00:48:37.719
<v Speaker 1>and the guys of guys saying that that's what they

946
00:48:37.719 --> 00:48:40.719
<v Speaker 1>really are about until somebody throws a check in front

947
00:48:40.760 --> 00:48:43.800
<v Speaker 1>of their face, and because it was a storage franchise

948
00:48:44.239 --> 00:48:49.960
<v Speaker 1>or because it's because it's a high visible market, that

949
00:48:50.039 --> 00:48:53.280
<v Speaker 1>it justified them wanting to sign, you know what I'm saying,

950
00:48:53.320 --> 00:48:56.039
<v Speaker 1>and not really being founded on the idea that them

951
00:48:56.280 --> 00:48:59.920
<v Speaker 1>as a player are really thinking winning basketball mentality, being

952
00:49:00.039 --> 00:49:02.880
<v Speaker 1>in a winning culture, or them bringing a winning basketball

953
00:49:02.920 --> 00:49:05.840
<v Speaker 1>mentality to that franchise to help them get over the hump.

954
00:49:06.920 --> 00:49:10.440
<v Speaker 2>Indiana is again they're going to, I think struggle with

955
00:49:10.800 --> 00:49:13.679
<v Speaker 2>the star level, right. But if you look at this run,

956
00:49:13.800 --> 00:49:15.679
<v Speaker 2>look at Carla, look at the Vibes, and this is

957
00:49:15.760 --> 00:49:18.800
<v Speaker 2>very much a Vibez team. Then maybe there is a

958
00:49:18.880 --> 00:49:21.159
<v Speaker 2>high level role player or say hey, I want to

959
00:49:21.199 --> 00:49:23.320
<v Speaker 2>go here. This happened for them a couple of years

960
00:49:23.320 --> 00:49:25.960
<v Speaker 2>ago with Bruce Brown, right, but they flipped Bruce Brown

961
00:49:26.039 --> 00:49:29.119
<v Speaker 2>to Pascal Siaka because the timing was right. So do

962
00:49:29.199 --> 00:49:31.440
<v Speaker 2>they do something else similar to that? I don't know,

963
00:49:31.480 --> 00:49:32.920
<v Speaker 2>And I think they're going to want to try to

964
00:49:33.000 --> 00:49:35.559
<v Speaker 2>keep their books clear because the second part of this

965
00:49:35.639 --> 00:49:38.559
<v Speaker 2>tile is like, they're not a tax payer I think currently, Uh,

966
00:49:38.800 --> 00:49:40.840
<v Speaker 2>but they're willing they were willing to, according to Sean,

967
00:49:41.000 --> 00:49:42.880
<v Speaker 2>willing to go into the tax to paid Miles Turner.

968
00:49:43.079 --> 00:49:44.920
<v Speaker 2>Are they still willing to do that knowing that next

969
00:49:44.960 --> 00:49:46.840
<v Speaker 2>year may not be exactly what they were hoping it

970
00:49:46.880 --> 00:49:49.119
<v Speaker 2>to be, and then the year after that what Halliburton

971
00:49:49.199 --> 00:49:52.039
<v Speaker 2>is back presumably? So then all right, now you're going

972
00:49:52.119 --> 00:49:53.960
<v Speaker 2>to have you know, Mathrin who's probably going to be

973
00:49:53.960 --> 00:49:55.760
<v Speaker 2>a free agent, and do you keep him or what

974
00:49:55.760 --> 00:49:56.639
<v Speaker 2>are you going to be paying him?

975
00:49:56.679 --> 00:49:56.880
<v Speaker 1>At?

976
00:49:57.079 --> 00:50:00.960
<v Speaker 2>Indiana is not known for having you know, bazillions of

977
00:50:01.039 --> 00:50:04.079
<v Speaker 2>dollars here like Steve Bomber, And now I guess like

978
00:50:04.079 --> 00:50:06.639
<v Speaker 2>the Lakers will now as well too in terms of

979
00:50:06.639 --> 00:50:08.880
<v Speaker 2>their spending. So I think they are going to have

980
00:50:08.920 --> 00:50:11.320
<v Speaker 2>to be really nuanced and careful about what they do

981
00:50:11.400 --> 00:50:13.559
<v Speaker 2>going into next year. They're not going to give up.

982
00:50:13.599 --> 00:50:15.840
<v Speaker 2>They seem too proud. I think this team is just

983
00:50:16.079 --> 00:50:18.400
<v Speaker 2>they're just too tight in essence to just quit. We

984
00:50:18.440 --> 00:50:20.519
<v Speaker 2>won't see them in the lottery per se, you know,

985
00:50:20.599 --> 00:50:23.119
<v Speaker 2>barring anything else. You know, kind of crazy happening injury wise,

986
00:50:23.599 --> 00:50:26.000
<v Speaker 2>but I don't know what additions can actually happen for

987
00:50:26.039 --> 00:50:28.880
<v Speaker 2>them going in this offseason. So we'll see if somebody

988
00:50:28.880 --> 00:50:30.800
<v Speaker 2>takes a look that says, you know what, hey, I'd

989
00:50:30.800 --> 00:50:32.800
<v Speaker 2>love to go over there and get my shine on

990
00:50:32.880 --> 00:50:34.079
<v Speaker 2>and try to see if we can get back to

991
00:50:34.079 --> 00:50:36.079
<v Speaker 2>the NAA finals, and then even the year after that

992
00:50:36.119 --> 00:50:38.280
<v Speaker 2>will be even better when how he does return. So

993
00:50:39.440 --> 00:50:42.440
<v Speaker 2>shout out to this Indiana Pacers team for a miraculous run.

994
00:50:42.440 --> 00:50:45.599
<v Speaker 2>Shout to Carlisle although some questionable decision here in Game seven,

995
00:50:45.840 --> 00:50:49.519
<v Speaker 2>but more importantly and unfortunately more big shout out to

996
00:50:49.559 --> 00:50:52.360
<v Speaker 2>the Oklahoma City Thunder for getting it done here. The

997
00:50:52.400 --> 00:50:56.440
<v Speaker 2>best team all season long, hands down. Yes they're flawed,

998
00:50:56.800 --> 00:51:00.000
<v Speaker 2>but it still was there it was their championship to lose,

999
00:51:00.119 --> 00:51:01.519
<v Speaker 2>and they did not lose a championship.

1000
00:51:01.639 --> 00:51:03.519
<v Speaker 1>Look at you trying to look at you steal in

1001
00:51:03.559 --> 00:51:09.000
<v Speaker 1>my thunder. There you go, see what you did that? Yeah? Man,

1002
00:51:09.039 --> 00:51:13.639
<v Speaker 1>the Oklahoma City Thunder best team from start to finish,

1003
00:51:14.280 --> 00:51:20.800
<v Speaker 1>and they accomplished the mission. They they they basically you know,

1004
00:51:21.239 --> 00:51:24.880
<v Speaker 1>completed the deal, and you know, they won that NBA Championship.

1005
00:51:26.079 --> 00:51:30.400
<v Speaker 1>I will concede Shaw and I will give some positive

1006
00:51:31.280 --> 00:51:35.199
<v Speaker 1>I'll add something positive to them. This by far, you know,

1007
00:51:35.320 --> 00:51:39.239
<v Speaker 1>has been one of the most impressive teams defensively that

1008
00:51:39.280 --> 00:51:43.960
<v Speaker 1>I've seen in recent memory. And I'm not saying that

1009
00:51:43.960 --> 00:51:46.119
<v Speaker 1>they're gonna go down as one of the greatest defensive

1010
00:51:46.119 --> 00:51:49.000
<v Speaker 1>teams or anything like that, but I think the way

1011
00:51:49.079 --> 00:51:53.639
<v Speaker 1>that they played and how they played, you know, you

1012
00:51:53.800 --> 00:51:58.440
<v Speaker 1>wish that a team like that has an even better

1013
00:51:58.559 --> 00:52:01.920
<v Speaker 1>level and even higher level, but that's that's not the

1014
00:52:01.960 --> 00:52:04.400
<v Speaker 1>mentality of the NBA. You know, the NBA is going

1015
00:52:04.480 --> 00:52:07.519
<v Speaker 1>to be predicated on scoring the basketball. And you know,

1016
00:52:08.199 --> 00:52:10.280
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if we'll ever speak about the Oklahoma

1017
00:52:10.360 --> 00:52:12.559
<v Speaker 1>City Thunder team. This version of the Oklahoma City Thunder

1018
00:52:12.559 --> 00:52:14.719
<v Speaker 1>team and did win the NBA Finals in that light

1019
00:52:14.800 --> 00:52:19.000
<v Speaker 1>in that elk. But I'm just very very proud that

1020
00:52:19.039 --> 00:52:23.280
<v Speaker 1>this team leaned into what I thought was always their

1021
00:52:23.320 --> 00:52:26.760
<v Speaker 1>calling card and what got them to the level of

1022
00:52:26.800 --> 00:52:28.960
<v Speaker 1>dominance to a mass of sixty eight wins that they

1023
00:52:29.000 --> 00:52:31.639
<v Speaker 1>did this year was the fact that they played hillatious

1024
00:52:31.679 --> 00:52:36.719
<v Speaker 1>defense and they did that for four quarters, and you know, that,

1025
00:52:36.880 --> 00:52:39.519
<v Speaker 1>to me is a sign of a team that has

1026
00:52:39.719 --> 00:52:43.719
<v Speaker 1>a championship medal in them. You know, when it's necessary,

1027
00:52:44.119 --> 00:52:47.440
<v Speaker 1>lock a player down when it's necessary, force a turnover

1028
00:52:47.519 --> 00:52:50.079
<v Speaker 1>when it's necessary, get a key rebound, you know what

1029
00:52:50.159 --> 00:52:51.960
<v Speaker 1>I'm saying. Like, I know, we focus a lot more

1030
00:52:51.960 --> 00:52:54.599
<v Speaker 1>on the offensive side of things and stuff, and I'm

1031
00:52:54.599 --> 00:52:57.119
<v Speaker 1>not saying that we shouldn't, but I do think that

1032
00:52:57.280 --> 00:53:00.280
<v Speaker 1>when a team has been this good defensively, you just

1033
00:53:00.320 --> 00:53:02.800
<v Speaker 1>don't abandon that. And I'm glad that they showed that

1034
00:53:03.400 --> 00:53:07.159
<v Speaker 1>on the most important game, which was a game seven situation.

1035
00:53:07.480 --> 00:53:09.599
<v Speaker 1>And you know, people could have made the excuse that

1036
00:53:09.639 --> 00:53:13.679
<v Speaker 1>this was tired legs, you know, seven games ruling, grueling effect,

1037
00:53:13.760 --> 00:53:16.119
<v Speaker 1>or whatever the case may be, but this game was

1038
00:53:16.159 --> 00:53:18.559
<v Speaker 1>basically being played out as we were thinking it was

1039
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<v Speaker 1>going to be. It was either going to be this

1040
00:53:19.960 --> 00:53:21.920
<v Speaker 1>team offensively is going to figure out a way to

1041
00:53:21.920 --> 00:53:24.480
<v Speaker 1>break the OKC defense, or the OKC defense was going

1042
00:53:24.559 --> 00:53:27.360
<v Speaker 1>to figure out a way to break the Indiana Pacers offense.

1043
00:53:27.400 --> 00:53:30.719
<v Speaker 1>And we kind of saw that momentum swing, especially despite

1044
00:53:30.719 --> 00:53:34.480
<v Speaker 1>the injury. But we saw how that momentum played itself out,

1045
00:53:34.599 --> 00:53:37.039
<v Speaker 1>and I'm glad that the Oklahoma City Thunder showed that

1046
00:53:37.079 --> 00:53:39.000
<v Speaker 1>they were just the better team and they wound up

1047
00:53:39.039 --> 00:53:42.000
<v Speaker 1>winning the championship ultimately, you know, for their for their

1048
00:53:42.000 --> 00:53:43.280
<v Speaker 1>commitment to what got them.

1049
00:53:43.119 --> 00:53:48.000
<v Speaker 2>There defensively, you know, it wins championships in an era of offense,

1050
00:53:48.320 --> 00:53:50.760
<v Speaker 2>Game seven of the NBA Finals and in a score

1051
00:53:50.760 --> 00:53:53.519
<v Speaker 2>of one to three to ninety one, so you know,

1052
00:53:53.599 --> 00:53:56.519
<v Speaker 2>not one twenty five, you know, to one eighteen again

1053
00:53:56.880 --> 00:53:59.599
<v Speaker 2>barely scraping over one hundred points. You know, in a

1054
00:53:59.639 --> 00:54:01.679
<v Speaker 2>defense of battle old case. He wins in a way

1055
00:54:01.960 --> 00:54:04.199
<v Speaker 2>that they've won many games throughout the course of this

1056
00:54:04.239 --> 00:54:07.320
<v Speaker 2>regular season and into the playoffs. Third quarter, turn it on,

1057
00:54:07.760 --> 00:54:11.400
<v Speaker 2>turning the getting points off off of those turnovers and

1058
00:54:11.440 --> 00:54:14.000
<v Speaker 2>really lying on their defense, and you figure teams would

1059
00:54:14.000 --> 00:54:16.679
<v Speaker 2>be smarter about this moving forward, and I'll try to

1060
00:54:17.039 --> 00:54:20.079
<v Speaker 2>take advantage of their aggressiveness. But that's where Daga, Nau

1061
00:54:20.159 --> 00:54:22.360
<v Speaker 2>and company will need to the encounter and figure out

1062
00:54:22.400 --> 00:54:24.519
<v Speaker 2>ways in that sense sor right, well, how do we

1063
00:54:24.599 --> 00:54:26.760
<v Speaker 2>bait even more than we have and maybe not be

1064
00:54:26.920 --> 00:54:29.280
<v Speaker 2>as aggressive and then figure out ways and essence to

1065
00:54:29.280 --> 00:54:31.239
<v Speaker 2>turn it on. We saw some stuff with them even

1066
00:54:31.280 --> 00:54:33.119
<v Speaker 2>in the game one of this series, right, they went

1067
00:54:33.159 --> 00:54:35.400
<v Speaker 2>and zone in the first game. We hadn't released them

1068
00:54:35.440 --> 00:54:37.480
<v Speaker 2>do a lot of that, So there's a lot of

1069
00:54:37.559 --> 00:54:40.400
<v Speaker 2>more upside. I think this Oklahoma City Thunder team defensively

1070
00:54:40.440 --> 00:54:42.960
<v Speaker 2>and obviously offensive ways with little too, but they won

1071
00:54:43.000 --> 00:54:47.199
<v Speaker 2>the NBA Championship their way, and I'm really really excited

1072
00:54:47.239 --> 00:54:49.800
<v Speaker 2>to see what with the future. Holes. But man, what

1073
00:54:49.960 --> 00:54:54.119
<v Speaker 2>a wild and I mean a wild NBA season this was.

1074
00:54:54.639 --> 00:54:57.199
<v Speaker 2>And you know, hey, I'm glad to have been able

1075
00:54:57.239 --> 00:54:58.079
<v Speaker 2>to do it with you, my guy.

1076
00:54:58.199 --> 00:55:03.320
<v Speaker 1>Seriously, absolutely, man, this has been another awesome season of

1077
00:55:03.960 --> 00:55:07.719
<v Speaker 1>the n B a that we've been able to encapsulate,

1078
00:55:09.119 --> 00:55:12.960
<v Speaker 1>you know, speak to and you know, ultimately articulate for

1079
00:55:13.000 --> 00:55:16.119
<v Speaker 1>our listeners. But hey, man, it doesn't stop right because

1080
00:55:16.199 --> 00:55:19.320
<v Speaker 1>now right around the corner, we've got the NBA Draft.

1081
00:55:19.519 --> 00:55:23.239
<v Speaker 1>So you know what I'm saying, gotta gotta gotta get

1082
00:55:23.280 --> 00:55:26.239
<v Speaker 1>ready to re up and reload, you know, with our

1083
00:55:26.360 --> 00:55:28.280
<v Speaker 1>with the conversation that's going to be going on, and

1084
00:55:28.519 --> 00:55:31.239
<v Speaker 1>I'm looking forward for us to having the opportunity, you know,

1085
00:55:31.280 --> 00:55:35.000
<v Speaker 1>to speak about you know, there's obviously some moves that

1086
00:55:35.000 --> 00:55:38.119
<v Speaker 1>have been made which we will get to because they

1087
00:55:38.159 --> 00:55:41.280
<v Speaker 1>will obviously have a role to play or we'll play

1088
00:55:41.559 --> 00:55:44.760
<v Speaker 1>a huge factor in what we'll be expecting, uh for

1089
00:55:44.960 --> 00:55:46.480
<v Speaker 1>NBA Draft Night as well.

1090
00:55:47.039 --> 00:55:48.800
<v Speaker 2>Yes, sir, I mean you're and you're teasing it up,

1091
00:55:48.840 --> 00:55:51.559
<v Speaker 2>so you tap in with the baseline. We will be live.

1092
00:55:51.639 --> 00:55:54.880
<v Speaker 2>I think we'll probably do up to the lottery, but

1093
00:55:54.960 --> 00:55:57.000
<v Speaker 2>we'll be able to have a chance to discuss some

1094
00:55:57.079 --> 00:55:58.840
<v Speaker 2>of the trays that we haven't really touched on here,

1095
00:55:58.920 --> 00:56:01.400
<v Speaker 2>the sale of the Lakers, et cetera, and then everything

1096
00:56:01.559 --> 00:56:03.400
<v Speaker 2>that happens draft night. I'm sure there will be some

1097
00:56:03.440 --> 00:56:06.880
<v Speaker 2>trains happening, swopping of picks in the whole nine. So

1098
00:56:07.199 --> 00:56:09.559
<v Speaker 2>stay tuned to us here. I guess June twenty fifth,

1099
00:56:09.920 --> 00:56:11.800
<v Speaker 2>we will not be live from Barkley Center, will be

1100
00:56:11.840 --> 00:56:15.199
<v Speaker 2>live from our respective places well watching the NBA Draft,

1101
00:56:15.239 --> 00:56:18.519
<v Speaker 2>giving our immediate analysis and reaction to everything that will

1102
00:56:18.519 --> 00:56:19.960
<v Speaker 2>be happening on NBA Draft Night.

1103
00:56:20.039 --> 00:56:22.760
<v Speaker 1>But not that the NBA shouldn't consider putting us on. Man.

1104
00:56:22.760 --> 00:56:24.880
<v Speaker 1>You know, we'll be more than happy. I'm you know, saying,

1105
00:56:24.960 --> 00:56:27.199
<v Speaker 1>just jump hop on, hop on a path train and

1106
00:56:27.599 --> 00:56:31.800
<v Speaker 1>you know, take that take that hop on the path

1107
00:56:31.840 --> 00:56:33.599
<v Speaker 1>and then head to the MTA. You know what I'm saying.

1108
00:56:33.639 --> 00:56:37.320
<v Speaker 2>And you know, let me get my Jet Blue credit together.

1109
00:56:37.360 --> 00:56:38.400
<v Speaker 2>We'll get it right.

1110
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<v Speaker 1>We'll make it right, absolutely well. Once again, man, we

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00:56:42.119 --> 00:56:45.000
<v Speaker 1>appreciate everybody for hopping on board. We hope everybody enjoyed

1112
00:56:45.960 --> 00:56:48.719
<v Speaker 1>the NBA Finals, and once again we'd like to give

1113
00:56:48.760 --> 00:56:50.880
<v Speaker 1>a shout out to the Oklahoma City Thunder, who are

1114
00:56:51.400 --> 00:56:54.599
<v Speaker 1>your twenty twenty four to twenty twenty five NBA champions

1115
00:56:54.840 --> 00:56:58.199
<v Speaker 1>for the baseline, Calie warren Shaw. We appreciate you, guys. Thanks,

1116
00:56:58.400 --> 00:57:00.360
<v Speaker 1>thank you for happing on board with this this time,

1117
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<v Speaker 1>and we'll catch up with you on the next go round.