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<v Speaker 1>This is a man who knows numbers. It's a man

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<v Speaker 1>who knows how to take care of the almighty dollar

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<v Speaker 1>as well, and as a man that we enjoy having

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<v Speaker 1>on this show because when it comes to the world

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<v Speaker 1>of the NFL, no matter what month we're in, he

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<v Speaker 1>gives us his best. He's always one hundred and ten percent.

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<v Speaker 1>Whether it's OTAs or in the middle of training camp

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<v Speaker 1>or December, it's Joe Dolan Fantasy Points dot Com. What's shaking, man.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, guys, nothing much. It's it's the early June and

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<v Speaker 2>as all of you in the Upstate know, this time

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<v Speaker 2>of year is the ever never ending struggle of should

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<v Speaker 2>I water the lawn or is it going to rain?

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<v Speaker 1>Sickly, yes, this is a very very challenging time for

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<v Speaker 1>all of us right now.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, and you get so. I just want everybody to

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<v Speaker 2>have me in their prayers, because that's that's what's a

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<v Speaker 2>very very difficult thing for people to have to deal with.

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<v Speaker 2>But it's looked like it's going to rain all day,

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<v Speaker 2>and nonetheless it has not. So I went out and

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<v Speaker 2>gave it a little sprinkle and maybe maybe I'll it'll

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<v Speaker 2>get topped off here in a little bit.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think so, and it's an unpredictable weather pattern.

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<v Speaker 1>Exavier Lagette. I know chimed in a minute ago. Xavier,

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<v Speaker 1>how we're looking weatherwise? The rest.

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<v Speaker 2>One.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's see if Bryce Young cain start raining on the

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<v Speaker 1>league this year in terms of his talent level showed

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<v Speaker 1>in spades at the end of last year. Joe Dolanfantasy

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<v Speaker 1>Points dot Com. Let's start with this Carolina Panthers team.

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<v Speaker 1>It's it's always tricky to project. I think the second

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<v Speaker 1>year for a head coach who's just come in and

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<v Speaker 1>the season always has a different personality year to year.

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<v Speaker 1>But that season was more about I think how they

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<v Speaker 1>stayed competitive in the close losses and what they showed

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<v Speaker 1>in those games than any win over maybe a New

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<v Speaker 1>Orleans or in Arizona. Uh, talk to me about Carolina.

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<v Speaker 1>We've done this conversation otaser happening. Where are you with them?

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<v Speaker 1>And what gives you hope and what gives you pause?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, the thing that would give me the most pause

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<v Speaker 2>for Carolina would be just the wondering how much of

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<v Speaker 2>Bryce Young's second year kind of elevation is for real.

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<v Speaker 2>And I don't think I'm breaking any news to you guys,

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<v Speaker 2>because It would be a lot easier to say from

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<v Speaker 2>my perspective that Bryce Young's second season improvements are real

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<v Speaker 2>if he did it for the entire season. But here's

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<v Speaker 2>the important thing. When it comes with Bryce Young, there

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<v Speaker 2>is a there's a line of demarcation, right. They put

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<v Speaker 2>him on the bench, they had him hit the reset button.

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<v Speaker 2>Andy Dalton gets rear ended or whatever happens, and then

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<v Speaker 2>Bryce Young comes in and looks like a completely different player,

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<v Speaker 2>and the numbers kind of back that up. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>look through his first eighteen games in the NFL, Bryce

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<v Speaker 2>Young through just touchdowns, through four touchdowns actually in eight

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<v Speaker 2>of his first.

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<v Speaker 1>Agents and Joe, Joe and you know better than I do,

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<v Speaker 1>but let me help our listeners understand how many of

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<v Speaker 1>those passes were like one yard bubbles. It was really

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<v Speaker 1>rough to watch.

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<v Speaker 2>And like, that's just a one point nine percent touchdown rate. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>he improved that to a four point seven percent touchdown

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<v Speaker 2>rate from Week eight on last year. And now you've

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<v Speaker 2>got Ted Tyroe McMillan to come in. I think we've

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<v Speaker 2>we've established on this program that we're gonna call him

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<v Speaker 2>King ted Ted, even though he doesn't prefer ted.

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<v Speaker 1>I kind of like I like you going against the

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<v Speaker 1>grain here because I want to take you to training

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<v Speaker 1>camp with me and have n't punch you in the nose.

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<v Speaker 1>From that, I'm calling t mac until. Look I like

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<v Speaker 1>King Ted. I like it. Yeah, Okay, we got to

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<v Speaker 1>keep pumping King T Mack with that compromise. Go ahead.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry.

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<v Speaker 2>I will say with Bryce, we're pretty optimistic at Fantasy points.

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<v Speaker 2>We have him rejected for essentially twenty one touchdown passes. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>depending on which sportsbook you look at, sixteen and a

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<v Speaker 2>half is about the line for him. Well, he threw

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<v Speaker 2>fifteen in just fourteen games last year, of which only

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<v Speaker 2>twelve were starts. And you mentioned all those those kind

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<v Speaker 2>of short touchdown passes that he had as a rookie. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>you'll also have to keep in mind this, and I

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<v Speaker 2>think this is an underrated aspect that would indicate that

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<v Speaker 2>Bryce Young was, even beyond the obvious statistics, was just

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<v Speaker 2>a far improoved player last year near the goal line,

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<v Speaker 2>he was running for touchdowns. He had six rushing touchdown

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<v Speaker 2>last year he had zero as a as a rookie. So,

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<v Speaker 2>based on your observations, I would need some time to

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<v Speaker 2>dig into the Fantasy points data suite to really look

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<v Speaker 2>at how exactly how many short touchdown passes he had,

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<v Speaker 2>but the numbers would indicate that, based on the number

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<v Speaker 2>of rushing touchdowns he had visa VI as a rookie,

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<v Speaker 2>the touchdown that he was throwing in his second year

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<v Speaker 2>were of a higher difficulty pass than maybe the ones

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<v Speaker 2>that he was throwing for in twenty twenty three. So

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<v Speaker 2>that's the concern I have for Carolina is how much

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<v Speaker 2>of Bryce Young's improvements are going to be real. But

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<v Speaker 2>that being said, I think you can marry up the

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<v Speaker 2>numbers in the iests and you know, just because I'm

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<v Speaker 2>a stat nerd like which I am, but I much

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<v Speaker 2>more pride myself. I'm just being somebody who loves watching

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<v Speaker 2>the games. So that's pay my bills, but I love

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<v Speaker 2>watching football. You guys know, well, the the Bryce Young

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<v Speaker 2>that we saw at the end of last season that

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<v Speaker 2>was the top half of the league started.

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<v Speaker 1>It absolutely absolutely was. And you know what, it wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>just about the acumen with the timing and the rhythm

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<v Speaker 1>and the poise. It was really more about commanding the huddle, relaxing, smiling,

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<v Speaker 1>and it was also up to the offensive line in

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<v Speaker 1>a way to sort of measure up to what we

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<v Speaker 1>thought they could be with Hunt and Lewis. And obviously

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<v Speaker 1>you've got a great depth corp there with the guys

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<v Speaker 1>that they can step right in and play good football.

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<v Speaker 1>And Shuba Hubbard as well. I mean a guy that

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<v Speaker 1>obviously we can talk fantasy with him, I suppose, because

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<v Speaker 1>you've got other running backs who are in the fold

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<v Speaker 1>always with Carolina and that's how Canalis runs it. But

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<v Speaker 1>I think getting back to Bryce for a second, you

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<v Speaker 1>look back, you just hear from Pro Football Reference and

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<v Speaker 1>I've got don't I got my ass stats here in

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<v Speaker 1>a minute, But I'm just going to the easiest plays.

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<v Speaker 1>It turned around to me in the Denver game. I

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<v Speaker 1>know they got boat Race there, but late in the

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<v Speaker 1>game he opened up the game with a nice slant

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<v Speaker 1>on an RPO. Two. Of all people, that Guett who

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<v Speaker 1>was catching everything early this season. That was against Sir Tan.

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<v Speaker 1>That was a great play against a great corner. That

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<v Speaker 1>was a fifteen yard touchdown pass later in the game

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<v Speaker 1>to Cocher, and then the Tampa game twenty five yard

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<v Speaker 1>pass eighty three he has right now, I can tell you,

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<v Speaker 1>uh seven fourteen seventeen nineteen touchdown passes of ten or

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<v Speaker 1>more yards, and I would say that that is a

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<v Speaker 1>very good improvement versus where we were early on. But

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<v Speaker 1>back to the running game in general in the NFL.

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<v Speaker 1>Start with Chewba Hubbard and what he's meant to Bryce,

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<v Speaker 1>and then let's expand it a little bit. Is there

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<v Speaker 1>really a trend or is it just sort of like, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>for a couple of years, Derek and Josh Jacobs and

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<v Speaker 1>these guys were right there where they needed to be.

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<v Speaker 1>Are we seeing a shift back to maybe two thousand

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<v Speaker 1>and three, because I don't think we're quite there, but

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<v Speaker 1>it is refreshing.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So I love a couple of minds with this.

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<v Speaker 2>I remember a number of years ago on my serious

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<v Speaker 2>ExM radio shows talking to Adrian Peterson, who obviously you

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<v Speaker 2>got you guys know Adrian Peterson as one of the

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<v Speaker 2>great bell cow back of his era. He I think

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<v Speaker 2>you can make an argument he might have been the

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<v Speaker 2>best who ever to ever put on a uniform. And

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<v Speaker 2>he was definitely somebody who was of the mind that

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<v Speaker 2>I need my carries to really become the player that

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<v Speaker 2>that that I need to be. It's almost like, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>if you're a golfer, and you got to go warm

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<v Speaker 2>up on the driving range before you before you take

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<v Speaker 2>your driver out on the course. You really got to

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<v Speaker 2>get a feel for how you're swinging that day. And

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<v Speaker 2>I want to look back to Derrick Henry at the

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<v Speaker 2>start of his career. If you look at Derrick Henry,

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<v Speaker 2>look at some of his numbers. In his first couple

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<v Speaker 2>of years with Tennessee, he was splitting work with DeMarco Murray.

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<v Speaker 2>And then Tennessee made a made a signing. Uh you

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<v Speaker 2>might remember Beon Lewis from the Patriots, Well, the titles

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<v Speaker 2>As signed him to essentially be they wanted Dion Lewis

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<v Speaker 2>to be their main running back with Derrick Henry as

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<v Speaker 2>kind of a rotational yeah, and like yeah, you look

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<v Speaker 2>at the sizes, it's wild, but you don't look at

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<v Speaker 2>Derrick Henry's numbers. Like in his first two three years

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<v Speaker 2>of his career. This was not the King Henry that

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<v Speaker 2>we know now and I remember from Alabama. But they

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<v Speaker 2>switched did the Titans this way through that season to

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<v Speaker 2>a team that leaned on Derrick Henry as the foundational

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<v Speaker 2>U of their offense, and Derek Henry overnight became Henry.

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<v Speaker 2>He's the running back we remember now, and look, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not gonna I don't want to compare Touba Hubbard Derrick Henry,

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<v Speaker 2>Derek Henry is a one of one. But I do

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<v Speaker 2>wonder if Chuba Hubbard, the guy who kind of looked

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<v Speaker 2>like a rotational plotter for a couple of years in

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<v Speaker 2>the NFL, he became a guy who when he finally

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<v Speaker 2>started getting carries, he started getting into a rhythm. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>and he started feeling the game a little bit more.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe the game slowed down a little bit for him.

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<v Speaker 2>And I wonder if Chubahabbard is just the kind of

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<v Speaker 2>running back who needs that consistent work. Now, look, there's

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<v Speaker 2>always going to be backups. They went out they signed Rico.

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<v Speaker 1>Dabble ran for a thousand yards, Like, oh yeah, they

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<v Speaker 1>have a surprise to many, But I did see the

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<v Speaker 1>logic go ahead, and I do think they have a

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<v Speaker 1>big stable of backs though to deal.

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<v Speaker 2>With here Trevory Tan obviously, they they drafted him, and

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<v Speaker 2>he's got some speed to him. But I just do

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<v Speaker 2>wonder if you know, from a fantasy perspective, to round

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<v Speaker 2>this into like an overarching like conversation is maybe it's

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<v Speaker 2>just teams were starting to get so cute with these

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<v Speaker 2>running back rotations. And while the logic is sound, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>we have fresher legs and this guy knows his role

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<v Speaker 2>and that guy knows his role, well, maybe some of

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<v Speaker 2>these guys just weren't getting getting their feet under them.

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<v Speaker 1>And make my nerds hate. Is this why nerds hated

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<v Speaker 1>running backs? It was the rotations? Is that? Is that

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<v Speaker 1>what it came down to. There's nerds and then this

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<v Speaker 1>fantasy don't take it. There's analytics, and then there's the

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<v Speaker 1>fantasy crew that just wants consistency. Would line ups right? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, like, would I love to go back to

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<v Speaker 2>the days when like there was thirteen, fourteen, fifteen guys

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<v Speaker 2>running for one thousand yards every Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>There old Campbell, Baby.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think you know, like you go look at

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<v Speaker 2>the Oh god, who's let me let me think of it.

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<v Speaker 2>Let me think of a panther from back in the

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<v Speaker 2>DA Davis never have been h well, Stephen Davis was,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, he was great for fantasy for a while.

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<v Speaker 2>But I think I'm thinking Anthony Johnson.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my gosh, okay, yeah, that thing go, that's like

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<v Speaker 1>ninety six, that's welcome into the league. There's toys that

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<v Speaker 1>misfit toys come together. AJ, you rushing for a thousand,

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<v Speaker 1>you're right about him.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and an all timer for me, Old Fred Lane

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my gosh, Fred Lane so many I do. AJ's

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<v Speaker 1>the best one though, because it was like a good line.

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<v Speaker 1>Give me four yards two hundred times. Just do that

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<v Speaker 1>four yards two times.

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<v Speaker 2>You look at Anthony john I think he ran for

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<v Speaker 2>like twelve hundred yards in the season one year, And

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<v Speaker 2>I think Fred Lane ran for like nine hundred and

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<v Speaker 2>like half a season one year.

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<v Speaker 1>Out of the game, and then that happened to go ahead.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think Fred Lane, Fred Lane was like one

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<v Speaker 2>his job because Tim Yakabatuca couldn't stay.

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<v Speaker 1>On the field.

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<v Speaker 2>So like you look at guys like that, and like

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<v Speaker 2>for somebody like in this day and age, a guy

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<v Speaker 2>running for nine hundred yards and like half a season

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<v Speaker 2>would be an all timer fantasy season, I doubt Fred

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<v Speaker 2>Lane or Anthony Johnson. Back of the day we're topping

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<v Speaker 2>running back leader boards, you know, for fantasy I have

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<v Speaker 2>to go back and front the numbers. But Touma Hubbard,

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<v Speaker 2>he kind of had that bell cow roll last year.

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<v Speaker 2>He ran for twelve hundred yards. He caught forty passes.

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<v Speaker 2>So we've got him projected as the thirteenth running back

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<v Speaker 2>for fantasy. Depending on how you build your team, if

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<v Speaker 2>you start heavy one receivers, maybe get a fight end

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<v Speaker 2>in there to Hubbard could be your number one running

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<v Speaker 2>back for fantasy. And I think you could. You could

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<v Speaker 2>do okay with that?

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, all right, cared me last year. Trey Falco, Trey Falcon.

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<v Speaker 1>It's all your Steelers, I'm sure. Is the next question

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<v Speaker 1>for Joe Dolan fantasy points about that chue Be Hubbard prediction.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm I like it.

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<v Speaker 3>Think I know who's on my projected fantasy team.

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<v Speaker 1>We got running back and you don't.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>It's Caleb Johnson, Caleber hey Man, he's looking. Yeah, we

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<v Speaker 1>can talk about Caleb Johnson the second. I will say.

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<v Speaker 3>We're in the projected over five hundred portion of the

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<v Speaker 3>off season for the Steelers right now. You know we

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<v Speaker 3>started off how it always goes Owen six. That's how

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<v Speaker 3>the Steelers six spring.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I know. Yeah. Uh.

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<v Speaker 3>I want to talk quarterback for a second though. I

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<v Speaker 3>really want to put this whole Will Howard thing to

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<v Speaker 3>rest there. There's this narrative that will Howard is the

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<v Speaker 3>next Tom Brady, the next Big Ben Roethlisberger.

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<v Speaker 1>He throws like him whatever. He's a nice guy too,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's I mean that he's endearing to the He's

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<v Speaker 1>saying all the right thing, saying all the right thing

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<v Speaker 1>on pay I mean, he's the sixth round pick.

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<v Speaker 3>I heard he was projected fourth. He ended up going

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<v Speaker 3>for the sixth round. If you were coming down into

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<v Speaker 3>the season, there's still no Aaron Rodgers. Have no idea

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<v Speaker 3>what's going on with him? We know what we've got,

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<v Speaker 3>Mason Rudolph. Do you give the kid a chance?

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<v Speaker 1>Do you let Will Howard just trot him out there?

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<v Speaker 1>Do you just run with Mason Rudolph? What do you do?

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<v Speaker 2>Mike Tomlin will not run Will Howard.

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<v Speaker 1>Mike Tomlin, Yeah, there's sinse. That's all that matters.

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<v Speaker 2>If there's no Aaron Rodgers, and if there's no Aaron Rodgers,

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<v Speaker 2>I still think there's going to be But if there's

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<v Speaker 2>no Aaron Rodgers and there's no pause, there's still sneaky

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<v Speaker 2>fullback plan for the Steelers.

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<v Speaker 1>Limping up ninety one.

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<v Speaker 2>Like there's not a chance. I think it's hurt. There

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<v Speaker 2>is not a chance. Mike Tomlin. It is throwing a

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<v Speaker 2>six round rookie out there. It will not. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>look at look at what happened last year. Justin Fields

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<v Speaker 2>went four and two and his six starts and Tomlin.

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<v Speaker 1>Six field goals against Atlanta. The shutter thing was was interesting,

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<v Speaker 1>and I that'll play itself out and I'm just gonna

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<v Speaker 1>block Brown's Twitter until we see that the game played.

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<v Speaker 1>But here's the thing. Historically, and we've done a deep

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<v Speaker 1>dive into the quarterback market in the draft, we could

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<v Speaker 1>find about a thirty percent hit rate in the first

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<v Speaker 1>round since twenty eleven of true franchise guys. You get

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<v Speaker 1>into the sixth round, you got about one or two

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<v Speaker 1>guys out of like fifty five. Right, you have no

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<v Speaker 1>reason to have faith in this until you see it

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<v Speaker 1>and if it works great otherwise, look at it. A

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<v Speaker 1>very nice guy who looks a little bit like Big

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<v Speaker 1>Ben if you look in the right light, but if

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<v Speaker 1>you squint. But really not, but really not. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>this is just Stealer fans coping, and I hope they

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<v Speaker 1>cope by just inviting their coach back and maybe the

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<v Speaker 1>owner Ruld, because nine ten wins is pretty damn good

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<v Speaker 1>based on what he's been dealing with the quarterback Aaron Rodgers.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe to the Steelers, maybe not. We know Joe Dolan

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<v Speaker 1>will be right there at Fantasy Point Central. We have

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<v Speaker 1>to leave now because of the damn clock, but please

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<v Speaker 1>give us the details on what's going on right now

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<v Speaker 1>and how we can find the work.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Oh, well, we're really expanding the podcast network over

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<v Speaker 2>Lash podcasts, all of them on Spotify. Well, we'll serve

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<v Speaker 2>a Betting Focus podcast if you're an individual defensive player,

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<v Speaker 1>We're gonna have an ass of the Week segment with

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<v Speaker 1>Joe Dolan. Not what you think, it's Joe, You're always

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<v Speaker 1>great man. We'll catch up.

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<v Speaker 2>I could I could opine on on ASCID the week

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<v Speaker 2>from multiple angles.

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<v Speaker 1>I sure you could. If you will del off this air,

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<v Speaker 1>you will do that. Goodbye, Joe, have a good evening,

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<v Speaker 1>see you brother.

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<v Speaker 2>All Right, boys,