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Speaker 5: Designed Welcome back truth seekers from around the world. It's
Speaker 5: time for an other edition of the Flat Earth Files.
Speaker 5: As we record on this Friday, September sixth, twenty twenty four.
Speaker 5: I hope everybody had a great week as we continue
Speaker 5: to navigate our way through this crazy world where we're
Speaker 5: less than sixty days from the election. Should be an
Speaker 5: interesting couple of months, but it's kind of par for
Speaker 5: the course these days. We have a couple guests standing by.
Speaker 5: We'll get to them in just a moment. Don't forget
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Speaker 5: The email address will be both in the show notes
Speaker 5: on your podcast. You know, Tim and Maya and myself,
Speaker 5: we were talking before the podcast before we hit record,
Speaker 5: and it's just funny we met them. They came out
Speaker 5: to the show in Oklahoma City on April nineteenth, and
Speaker 5: it feels like just a few weeks ago, but it's
Speaker 5: almost been six months ago. And I'll always remember the
Speaker 5: fact that they drove I think four and a half
Speaker 5: hours to Oklahoma City for that day, and I'm very fond,
Speaker 5: very fond memories of both Oklahoma City and the Waco events.
Speaker 5: And they're here with us now.
Speaker 6: Live.
Speaker 5: Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome Tim and Maya, and again,
Speaker 5: thank you guys for joining us today on the program.
Speaker 6: It's great to see you.
Speaker 7: Thanks for having us song.
Speaker 8: We're just happy, happy to hang.
Speaker 7: Out, just.
Speaker 8: Share a story.
Speaker 6: Well again, we appreciate it.
Speaker 5: And I guess the right way to kick off is
Speaker 5: to go ahead and introduce yourself as little or as
Speaker 5: much as you like, background about yourself and how you
Speaker 5: kind of navigated your way to where we are today.
Speaker 7: All right.
Speaker 9: My name is Tim and I was born in Costa
Speaker 9: Rica and grew up in Latin America for sixteen years.
Speaker 9: My parents were missionaries, and I spent time in Honduras
Speaker 9: and Mexico and traveling through Central America and learned Spanish
Speaker 9: first because of being in Latin America, and then my
Speaker 9: dad was an English teacher down there. Aside from being
Speaker 9: a missionary, he also taught English, and so I learned
Speaker 9: Spanish locally and then English from him, and he was
Speaker 9: our teacher. We were homeschooled. I met Maya at a
Speaker 9: youth camp in San Antonio, Texas. It was in ninety six,
Speaker 9: early ninety six, and found out that she had a
Speaker 9: very similar life story. She grew up as a missionary
Speaker 9: with her parents in foreign countries as well, although she
Speaker 9: was on the opposite side of the world most of
Speaker 9: the time. So we met in San Antonio, and we
Speaker 9: both had a lot of things in common, being that
Speaker 9: we were children of missionaries, and we both had the
Speaker 9: same passions of serving the Lord and preaching the Gospel,
Speaker 9: and as well as we had common things growing up overseas,
Speaker 9: learning of the languages, living in other cultures, and then
Speaker 9: coming back to the United States after some time and
Speaker 9: learning about America and a lot of the different You
Speaker 9: see a different perspective when you grow up outside of
Speaker 9: the US, and then when you come back you kind
Speaker 9: of see things in a different light.
Speaker 7: But that was.
Speaker 9: That was, you know, the common things that we had
Speaker 9: that kind of drew us together was.
Speaker 7: Our similar upbringings.
Speaker 5: I guess what were the what were the positives and
Speaker 5: what would you say some of the I don't want
Speaker 5: to say negatives, but maybe some of the the trials
Speaker 5: that that you may have run against growing up as
Speaker 5: the son of a missionary, and of course probably being
Speaker 5: a part of the missionary and spreading the word of
Speaker 5: Christ in these Costa Rica and or Maya.
Speaker 6: Where were you in Asia?
Speaker 8: I was in Asia.
Speaker 1: I was in Asia for a while, and I was
Speaker 1: in Peru, Europe, Switzerland, Italy for the earlier part of
Speaker 1: my eighteen years.
Speaker 8: But a lot of it was the language barrier to
Speaker 8: start with.
Speaker 1: But we had tutors that taught us the language, especially
Speaker 1: in Japan. We learned from the children of the Spanish
Speaker 1: kids and when we played with them and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: But for the most part, in the earlier part of
Speaker 1: our years and being up there with our parents. In
Speaker 1: my parents' situation is my dad was a well, he
Speaker 1: was a minister, so he did a lot of in
Speaker 1: home Bible studies and we would go and we you know,
Speaker 1: we he played guitar, so we you know, sing and
Speaker 1: you know, singing gospel hymns and English and Spanish, and
Speaker 1: you know, we learned them in Japanese. And then we
Speaker 1: do like Christmas shows in Japan, and we did a lot.
Speaker 8: Of like for the Buddhist.
Speaker 1: Orphanages, we did different programs in there for the Buddhist orphanages,
Speaker 1: and so a lot of it was just administering and
Speaker 1: spreading the Lord's word, you know, through.
Speaker 8: Song, a lot of it.
Speaker 1: For myself and Tim's dad, I guess did a lot
Speaker 1: of Bible studies as well through his.
Speaker 8: Much time there too.
Speaker 9: So we did in Mexico for a while there in
Speaker 9: the late nineties, no early it was late eighties, early nineties,
Speaker 9: my dad had a puppet ministry in Mexico and we
Speaker 9: would go to old folks homes, orphanages, different centers, and
Speaker 9: we would have these little songs that the puppets would sing,
Speaker 9: a little show that they would do, and then at
Speaker 9: the end they would pray with everybody and ask everybody
Speaker 9: to receive Jesus into their hearts. So that was really
Speaker 9: cool part.
Speaker 7: Seeing that.
Speaker 9: We also had other ministries with humanitarian aid helping to
Speaker 9: donate stuff. Different sponsors would give things and then we
Speaker 9: would go and drop it off at locations where people
Speaker 9: needed food or clothing or materials.
Speaker 7: It helps people be more receptive when they get their
Speaker 7: physical needs met.
Speaker 9: And then you can actually, you know, they're more receptive
Speaker 9: to want to hear the gospel a little bit more
Speaker 9: once they're a little bit more comfortable and you can
Speaker 9: take care of them.
Speaker 7: So that was always nice to see their smiles.
Speaker 9: And but you were asking earlier what were some of
Speaker 9: the interesting aspects of being overseas is that when you're
Speaker 9: in foreign countries, if all you ever see is just
Speaker 9: the touristic side of it, that's the side of the
Speaker 9: country that.
Speaker 7: You know, the country's trying to portray. When you live there.
Speaker 9: Amongst the people, they'll a lot of times tell you
Speaker 9: more hidden stories and hidden facts of how things went
Speaker 9: or personal stuff.
Speaker 7: You know, they would talk more to you.
Speaker 9: About just local stuff that's been going on, because you
Speaker 9: know how it is in the media. The media will
Speaker 9: cover one thing, but there's a lot of times more
Speaker 9: truths in the story absolute and so when when you're
Speaker 9: actually there, you can kind of get more of a
Speaker 9: feel of what really.
Speaker 7: Was going on, how things are, what the locals are like.
Speaker 9: We got to see a lot of the beautiful landscapes
Speaker 9: of the countries that we were in. It was beautiful
Speaker 9: to see a lot of I know, down in Honduras
Speaker 9: there was a lot of rainforests and waterfalls, natural parks,
Speaker 9: the Mayan, the Mayan ruins that we got to go
Speaker 9: see a lot of different cool stuff like that. You
Speaker 9: also get to see a lot of the cultural stuff.
Speaker 9: Honduras was really big on their art with wood carving.
Speaker 9: They would adorn a lot of their buildings with beautiful artwork,
Speaker 9: their doors. I remember a lot of that. I remember
Speaker 9: a lot of leatherwork, just beautiful artistic things like that.
Speaker 9: I was pretty young when I was in hunder Us.
Speaker 9: I was a little bit older in Mexico, I remember
Speaker 9: a little bit more of that. But yeah, that was
Speaker 9: the part that stood out to me looking back, is
Speaker 9: when you live in those countries kind of more with
Speaker 9: with the people, you kind of get more of a
Speaker 9: feel of what the country's like and their culture, their background,
Speaker 9: their language kind of helps you understand.
Speaker 7: A lot more.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and that is something that stands out. I guess
Speaker 5: this is for both of you. You would actually be
Speaker 5: living within the villages. It's not like, well, maybe you know,
Speaker 5: you weren't in a hotel in the city and then
Speaker 5: you'd come out during the day, and I imagine even
Speaker 5: in some cases maybe you were living in austere environments.
Speaker 5: What was that like for you as a young person
Speaker 5: living in in these environments like that.
Speaker 9: Yeah, it was very interesting because you know, like you said,
Speaker 9: some days we would have water and some days we didn't.
Speaker 9: Just all depended on what was going on in the
Speaker 9: local village, local town.
Speaker 7: There was a lot of.
Speaker 9: I know, in Central America there was a lot of
Speaker 9: issues with gorillas and the rebels and stuff because there
Speaker 9: was a lot of civil unrest in El Salvador, Nicaragua
Speaker 9: in the eighties, and they would target the utilities from
Speaker 9: time to time and cause issues, and so we had
Speaker 9: to learn to make do sometimes with very little, but
Speaker 9: you know, we always made it through. We were always
Speaker 9: fine and safe. You know, if there was any danger,
Speaker 9: people would usually warn us in advance, and we would move.
Speaker 7: Or get out before anything got really rough.
Speaker 9: But you know, we we lived a lot of times
Speaker 9: like the people with you know, minimal, minimal stuff. It
Speaker 9: was very different. I remember the first time I came
Speaker 9: up to the United States. Our grandparents brought us up
Speaker 9: for a Christmas and it was just a huge eye
Speaker 9: opener for me to see how capitalistic America was compared
Speaker 9: to other countries.
Speaker 7: The first time I walked.
Speaker 9: Into a big department store or saw a mall, I
Speaker 9: was like, oh my gosh. I couldn't believe how big
Speaker 9: these buildings were and all the stuff that they sold,
Speaker 9: because I was usually used to in Latin America a
Speaker 9: lot of times they had like one building that kind
Speaker 9: of had you know, a shop or a you know,
Speaker 9: a hardware store or a grocery store.
Speaker 7: They're usually mom and pop owned.
Speaker 9: They weren't a big giant corporation or a big, you know,
Speaker 9: chain store.
Speaker 7: In the bigger cities, they did have malls, but they
Speaker 7: were simpler malls.
Speaker 9: They weren't quite as huge as the ones in America.
Speaker 9: I was used to, more like small businesses and you know,
Speaker 9: privately owned small shops and stuff. But they did a
Speaker 9: lot of things differently. In the sense that over there,
Speaker 9: I remember, you know, if your shoes ever got warned
Speaker 9: real bad and had any kind of damage or whatever,
Speaker 9: there was guys that would go around and offer to fix.
Speaker 7: Them for a fraction, you know, they would.
Speaker 9: They would fix different stuff and polish them and clean
Speaker 9: them and fix them up.
Speaker 7: And a lot of people were that way down there.
Speaker 9: They would instead of just throwing stuff away, they would
Speaker 9: try to find a way to either recycle or reuse
Speaker 9: it it or fix it, repair it. You got a
Speaker 9: lot of people that would offer to repair things for you,
Speaker 9: fix stuff up, whereas here it seems like it's cheaper
Speaker 9: in most cases to just buy something new and throw
Speaker 9: the old one away instead of trying to clean it
Speaker 9: up or fix it or reuse it or you know.
Speaker 9: But just learning to live in a simple manner for
Speaker 9: the most part, was a big aspect down there.
Speaker 7: But everywhere we lived was for me that I remember.
Speaker 9: I'm not sure about Maya, but everywhere I lived, it
Speaker 9: seems like all the homes that we lived in or
Speaker 9: places that we stayed at, there was always lots of
Speaker 9: fruit growing or fruit trees or nut trees growing in
Speaker 9: the properties.
Speaker 7: That we were at.
Speaker 9: So I got spoiled with being able to have fresh coconuts,
Speaker 9: fresh mangoes and cashew fruit, the guavas, avocados, all kinds
Speaker 9: of things like that. And that was a big change
Speaker 9: for me coming to the States because it's like everybody
Speaker 9: has these like manicured nice yards of the big you know, bond,
Speaker 9: but I'm like, where is the fruit.
Speaker 7: There's no there's no trees with food.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's that's a big difference.
Speaker 5: And the other you were talking about the malls I
Speaker 5: know in the Middle East and the Caribbean and central
Speaker 5: parts of Central America. I've been to uh the open
Speaker 5: air bizarre like the open air markets, you know that
Speaker 5: that was common even in Hungary. We would go down
Speaker 5: to caps Far or down into uh. I forget the
Speaker 5: name of the other town, Page I think it was called.
Speaker 5: And that's it was just people with tables and you know,
Speaker 5: overhead tentage and everything comes sneakers to t shirts.
Speaker 6: That was the mall.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 9: And in Mexico they call them tyangees and the little
Speaker 9: the little market square. We actually had once a week
Speaker 9: they would set up right our street in one of
Speaker 9: the towns that we lived in in Leone, the street
Speaker 9: right in front of our house happened to be one
Speaker 9: of the main entrance areas to one of those markets.
Speaker 7: That would set up once a week.
Speaker 9: So yeah, we got very familiar with that whole environment
Speaker 9: of you know, it's kind of like a big garag cell.
Speaker 9: You'll find new and used in all kinds of different stuff, plants, fresh,
Speaker 9: fresh meats, and you know, you can also get clothes, pets,
Speaker 9: all of different stuff.
Speaker 7: People set up with a lot of different things.
Speaker 6: But yeah, how was that for you? Maya well?
Speaker 8: Being well?
Speaker 1: In South America? I was really young. I was seven
Speaker 1: years old when I was in Peru. I don't remember
Speaker 1: a whole lot because Peru was pretty rough, hearing stories
Speaker 1: of you know, people laying down logs to stop bypassers,
Speaker 1: you know, people driving.
Speaker 8: By and robbed them and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: So I don't remember a whole lot about the earlier
Speaker 1: part of my life other than.
Speaker 8: From like eight years old, we started moving to like
Speaker 8: more western Europe. We moved to.
Speaker 1: Well, I lived in South America as a kid. That's
Speaker 1: where my early eighties that was.
Speaker 8: Yeah. My brother, I have a brother born in eighty one.
Speaker 1: He was in Lima, Lima, Peru, and then my other
Speaker 1: sister was well, I guess I do remember eighty four
Speaker 1: my other sister was born, and that's where we lived
Speaker 1: in Bala Paddies, so Chile, and they had a lot
Speaker 1: of earthquakes. I remember the earthquakes immensely, and then there
Speaker 1: was the floods and combination of all that. But then
Speaker 1: we moved to Japan. I remember a lot of you know,
Speaker 1: going out in the rice patties, you know, helping people
Speaker 1: plant their rice, you know, going through the marshes per
Speaker 1: se to help them plant stuff. And that's where we
Speaker 1: did a lot of our music ministry and stuff with.
Speaker 8: My dad, and then we learned.
Speaker 1: We were there for five years and that's where another
Speaker 1: brother of mine was born in Japan. And then we
Speaker 1: moved back to Europe for the most part in Italy, Naples,
Speaker 1: and then we moved to.
Speaker 8: Forget with that place, some mountain mountain.
Speaker 1: Village, and we're there for a while, and then we
Speaker 1: came back to the States. So I came back to
Speaker 1: the States when I was what almost eighteen, So yeah,
Speaker 1: I was about eighteen when we came back stateside. But
Speaker 1: a lot of that, you know, I remember the the
Speaker 1: major catastrophes between floods and having to wade through waters
Speaker 1: to get to safety, you know, the earthquakes and you know.
Speaker 8: Typhoons, you know, having to make our visa trips.
Speaker 1: From Japan to Korea going on the ferry boats and
Speaker 1: major storms on that.
Speaker 6: But yeah, that's interesting.
Speaker 5: And we say visa trips, that means like your six
Speaker 5: months was coming up, so you had to leave and
Speaker 5: come back out.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I gotcha, tracking there you go.
Speaker 7: Would you stay anywhere too long? You always had to
Speaker 7: be able to get up and travel and.
Speaker 6: Yep, go somewhere, So yeah, that's for sure. Would you
Speaker 6: say that.
Speaker 5: That upbringing contributed a lot to your understanding that how
Speaker 5: the world is portrayed to us through the television and
Speaker 5: our education system is much different. And I guess we
Speaker 5: can kind of transition into your I guess awakening stage.
Speaker 5: I guess the part two to that would be at
Speaker 5: what point did you start to realize that, you know.
Speaker 6: Yeah, things are not as they may seem.
Speaker 9: Yeah, So growing up outside in other countries, we saw
Speaker 9: one way of how things were explained or portrayed, and
Speaker 9: then when you start listening or you kind of see
Speaker 9: the other stories, you're like, wait a minute, I don't
Speaker 9: quite remember that so much. Politically, we learned more about
Speaker 9: the ongoings of how things were being run and you know,
Speaker 9: political aspects as we got older, our parents were you know,
Speaker 9: we would have conversations and they would remind us of,
Speaker 9: you know, what was going on at the time, who
Speaker 9: was in charge of what countries, and how things were
Speaker 9: you know.
Speaker 7: Developing, and what kind of stuff was going on.
Speaker 9: So yeah, growing up at a young age noticing the
Speaker 9: differences and differences and cultures, the differences and how the
Speaker 9: histories were being taught and told and.
Speaker 7: Kind of made us question a lot of stuff.
Speaker 9: I I myself, I didn't really know much about the
Speaker 9: how the US had, you.
Speaker 7: Know, the North and the South in the Civil War.
Speaker 9: I learned of it in school because we were homeschool
Speaker 9: so I learned of it, but I didn't understand like
Speaker 9: the depth of how it impacted the culture and how,
Speaker 9: you know, how people reacted North South and the different
Speaker 9: things politically that were going on. So for me, it
Speaker 9: was kind of different to come back and to kind
Speaker 9: of start to learn.
Speaker 7: More of you know, the different.
Speaker 9: I guess in the States, we have different accents and
Speaker 9: you got your Southern accents and of course, all across
Speaker 9: the South, you have different variations of the way that
Speaker 9: they say.
Speaker 7: Things and food, a lot of different things.
Speaker 8: But yeah, I mean the same. Like for me, I
Speaker 8: was also homeschooled by my mom.
Speaker 1: She was a kindergarten teacher before she met my dad,
Speaker 1: and so we had a lot of different I mean,
Speaker 1: we definitely learned about the globe, and we.
Speaker 8: Learned about the American history and.
Speaker 1: How Christopher Columbus did this and you know how, but
Speaker 1: she didn't know any better.
Speaker 8: And that's bottom line.
Speaker 1: It's like, Okay, there's a lot of things in that
Speaker 1: regards to where you learn about the country that you're in,
Speaker 1: which we learned about the South American culture, the European,
Speaker 1: the French, you know, because we had to learn the language.
Speaker 8: Also we didn't have to, but we did.
Speaker 7: But that's.
Speaker 1: But you know a lot of that is just they
Speaker 1: taught us about our homeland, which was the US.
Speaker 8: But you don't use it. If you don't use something
Speaker 8: all the time, then you.
Speaker 6: You know, use it or lose it, right.
Speaker 8: Right, So that's pretty much it on that aspect.
Speaker 6: But it's it's pretty interesting, Uh.
Speaker 5: I take notes during our conversation so I can put
Speaker 5: them in the show notes and I just put I
Speaker 5: opened a new tab and I just put in Chili
Speaker 5: earthquake And would you know that at six am this
Speaker 5: morning there was a five point seven earthquake in Vellain
Speaker 5: or Chili. Oh gosh, so I guess it is pretty common.
Speaker 5: When did you come on to the fact that maybe,
Speaker 5: just maybe we're not living on a ball.
Speaker 6: When did that enter the conversation?
Speaker 9: You were the one, Maya was the one that started
Speaker 9: listening to different podcasts, and that was last year, last.
Speaker 8: Year around April.
Speaker 1: So yeah, So all that to say, you know, my
Speaker 1: dad has always been into conspiracies.
Speaker 8: You know, he's always you know, the.
Speaker 1: Nine to eleven was not a not an accident, you know,
Speaker 1: all the there was different things and I can't think
Speaker 1: of it right now, but he'd always bounced things off me,
Speaker 1: you know, off and on.
Speaker 8: But I have to say that.
Speaker 1: This whole thing during COVID definitely started the whole thing
Speaker 1: because I worked at the hospital. I worked at one
Speaker 1: of our local hospitals here in town, and there was
Speaker 1: a lot of things that I saw there that just
Speaker 1: didn't make sense.
Speaker 8: I was not a nurse.
Speaker 1: I was worked in the security department and we had
Speaker 1: to stop a lot of people from you know, there
Speaker 1: was a lot of people that were definitely not happy
Speaker 1: about not being able to come in to see their family, and.
Speaker 8: I had to do my job. But I'd say that.
Speaker 1: TikTok and I've heard it on your different podcasts, that
Speaker 1: TikTok was where Tim actually started watching different things and
Speaker 1: I thought it was all like eye funnies, but he
Speaker 1: shared it with me on different aspects and I just
Speaker 1: was crawling through its.
Speaker 8: I flattered, what's that deal?
Speaker 1: So I was just like, I honestly made fun of
Speaker 1: flat earthers in the past.
Speaker 8: I admit I was not very open minded to that,
Speaker 8: but then when I saw that, I was like, hmm.
Speaker 8: And then another one.
Speaker 1: And then I had just signed up for Spotify and
Speaker 1: we had gotten our family our group plan, and then
Speaker 1: I went to go to clock it or check in
Speaker 1: on podcast and I was like, I've been watching these
Speaker 1: flat earth stuff and so I clicked in flat Earth.
Speaker 8: And you're the first one that showed up. Wow, flat files.
Speaker 1: And I know I've heard it before where other people
Speaker 1: said the same thing, So honestly, you're yours was the
Speaker 1: one that I've started listening to. I think I started
Speaker 1: on episode twenty eighteen or you know.
Speaker 8: Something like that, and then I was like, I.
Speaker 1: Wonder what the first one is, and so I went
Speaker 1: back and that's where I was like.
Speaker 10: White Ali, It's like, yeah, I won't say that, I
Speaker 10: don't know, but it just kind of opened my eyes
Speaker 10: in that aspect, and I was just like, what the hell.
Speaker 8: And then it took me several weeks before I could
Speaker 8: even tell Tim about it. I was like, hey, you know.
Speaker 1: I don't quite remember how I presented it to him,
Speaker 1: but I was sweating. I was sweating up a storm.
Speaker 1: I was just like, Okay, you know, there's.
Speaker 8: Different things I've been listening to.
Speaker 1: So I wanted to say, you know, what do you
Speaker 1: think about this Earth is flat?
Speaker 7: Yeah?
Speaker 9: Well, the uh, the way that it kind of worked
Speaker 9: for me was that, you know, had I just tried
Speaker 9: to just look at flatter information, I probably would have
Speaker 9: been more skeptical had I started in that way, But
Speaker 9: since I had more.
Speaker 7: Training to have critical mindset in the sense of.
Speaker 9: Looking deeper into why different stuff, the part that I
Speaker 9: guess got me more was what would be the purpose
Speaker 9: of teaching people the heliocentric model of how the Earth
Speaker 9: in the universe and all that stuff is, why would
Speaker 9: they try to teach that aspect?
Speaker 7: And when I was.
Speaker 9: Looking at it in that sense, it was kind of
Speaker 9: interesting that, well, you know.
Speaker 7: If we just.
Speaker 9: Came from a big ball of gas that exploded and
Speaker 9: you know big bang theory, and yeah, stuff exploded and
Speaker 9: out of nowhere all this stuff happened, then there's no
Speaker 9: rite and reason and no real cause, and.
Speaker 7: You know, there was no creation.
Speaker 9: I was taught the creation model that you know, God
Speaker 9: created the earth and he spoke the word and it
Speaker 9: was made. So I was like, okay, well, why the
Speaker 9: cover up? What's going on? What is it that they're
Speaker 9: trying to hide for them to try to push this
Speaker 9: so hard? And then little by little I started listening
Speaker 9: to different things about the earth, and a lot of
Speaker 9: it just started making sense, and you know, I kind
Speaker 9: of sat on the fence for a while, thinking, Okay, well,
Speaker 9: I mean this is interesting, and I you know, a
Speaker 9: lot of the odd thing is is the more you
Speaker 9: think about it, it kind of goes along more with
Speaker 9: what the biblical reference of the creation and the earth is.
Speaker 7: Even though a lot of.
Speaker 9: Christians can't seem to see it, I do believe in
Speaker 9: the in the Firmament, that it's a cover that goes
Speaker 9: over the earth.
Speaker 1: That makes sense, and I'd had to interject that hearing
Speaker 1: that there is more versus that tell us how the Creator,
Speaker 1: how the world is standing on pillars, how we're stationary,
Speaker 1: we shall not be moved, and there's like what one
Speaker 1: hundred and something versus on that.
Speaker 5: That there's actually a book I bought. It's somewhere on here,
Speaker 5: two hundred verses that refer to flatter some of them.
Speaker 5: People say, yeah, but you're right Joshua ten thirteen obviously,
Speaker 5: and something I wanted to mention, this is probably the best.
Speaker 5: I'll be real quick about it so you get back
Speaker 5: your thought. But one of our listeners, who is also
Speaker 5: an author, Jail Pattinson, wrote a great, great sub stack
Speaker 5: entitled where is Heaven? And when actually think about where
Speaker 5: is Heaven? And then you think about what happened with
Speaker 5: Elijah and Enoch? Right, yeah, they went up in human form, right,
Speaker 5: So but these are all these things in the Firmament.
Speaker 5: It was a very important aspect of that article, and
Speaker 5: it's for me, it was one of the things that
Speaker 5: helped me understand the Bible.
Speaker 6: When I came around to flatter. That made more sense
Speaker 6: to me, so I diagree, I'm sorry.
Speaker 7: And then I think a big aspect for me was
Speaker 7: that I really have a connection with nature.
Speaker 9: I'm fascinated by how the earth is made, the fact
Speaker 9: that we were able to travel a lot of places
Speaker 9: and see a lot of things, you know, to me,
Speaker 9: it was just amazing to see a lot of the
Speaker 9: different types of terrains that we studied in school.
Speaker 7: And when flat Earth Files was.
Speaker 9: Talking about different scientific stuff about how it explains a
Speaker 9: flat earth scenario and all the rest. One thing that
Speaker 9: Ma and I both kind of were interested in was
Speaker 9: we never really studied or looked at the Book of Enoch,
Speaker 9: and it was kind of interesting in there how it
Speaker 9: talked about the fallen angels.
Speaker 7: And I was always interested in trees.
Speaker 9: My dad's a carpenter and he used to tell me
Speaker 9: about a lot of different types of trees, the different
Speaker 9: uses for the woods, soft woods, hardwoods, fragrant woods, all
Speaker 9: different types of plants like that. So to me, trees
Speaker 9: and plants were always a big fascination. And there's a
Speaker 9: guy on TikTok too. I think he has a podcast
Speaker 9: where he travels around to different places and he shows
Speaker 9: these mass petrified.
Speaker 8: Hangman Hang Hangman, eleven twenty eight. I watch him all
Speaker 8: the time.
Speaker 9: And he shows these different like plateaus and areas where
Speaker 9: you know, they.
Speaker 7: Say that it's just a plateau, it's just a flat
Speaker 7: top mountain.
Speaker 9: And then he starts looking at the geographical aspects of it,
Speaker 9: and he's taking walks going around.
Speaker 7: He goes, look, look at this rock.
Speaker 9: It looks exactly like a chunk of petrified wood. And
Speaker 9: then little by little, as he's going around the mountain
Speaker 9: or the different areas, he starts showing how everything has
Speaker 9: a wood like but it's petrified, so it's stone now,
Speaker 9: but it looks like some form of wood. And then
Speaker 9: when you kind of zoom out and you look at
Speaker 9: the picture from like an airplane view or whatever, you
Speaker 9: can see it actually looks like a base of a
Speaker 9: giant cut down tree. But of course that doesn't make
Speaker 9: any sense for a tree to be that a massively huge,
Speaker 9: and none of the history books tell you about giant
Speaker 9: trees of that nature. But you know, when you start
Speaker 9: looking up close, he was just showing how so much
Speaker 9: of it looks like you know, rings in a tree,
Speaker 9: like the growth rings. How you can see it in
Speaker 9: the stone and that that, Yeah, that kind of made
Speaker 9: me start questioning some of these you know, plateaus and
Speaker 9: places around the world. And then in the Book of
Speaker 9: Enocha talks about the the fallen angels, and then somewhere
Speaker 9: I think in the Book of Enocha talks about how
Speaker 9: God sent down angels to chop down these massive, giant
Speaker 9: trees and so during the flood era, if there were
Speaker 9: giants on the land, if they could climb or get
Speaker 9: up into places above the waters, then they could survive
Speaker 9: the flooding. But it was kind of interesting because I
Speaker 9: was like, how, well, how did these trees get cut
Speaker 9: down or would they have just been broken over by
Speaker 9: the by the floods and the waters.
Speaker 1: But you know, some of these other guys are also
Speaker 1: bringing up actual facts, like that Devil's the Devils?
Speaker 6: Is it the one in Wyoming or whatever?
Speaker 1: Yeah, that one flat top, Yeah, there's that one where
Speaker 1: it shows it looks like a tree base. And then
Speaker 1: there's like one where it even shows like an axe
Speaker 1: is laying on top of a base.
Speaker 7: That's an arizona.
Speaker 1: I think there's different places, all sorts of areas, but
Speaker 1: there's all that that just kind of has recently for
Speaker 1: us just kind.
Speaker 8: Of started to make like what is going on?
Speaker 1: Like why was this all something we didn't know about
Speaker 1: ahead of time? Or I mean the internet has done
Speaker 1: wonders you know, over the since it started becoming more
Speaker 1: common and just kind of more information that like.
Speaker 8: Why weren't we told this?
Speaker 1: You know, being that we were homeschooled, you know, there
Speaker 1: you would think there'd be more.
Speaker 8: More access to stuff like that.
Speaker 1: But if the books are written by the people who
Speaker 1: want you to only have a certain amount of information,
Speaker 1: you know, you know, you're not going to get more.
Speaker 7: Without Yeah, well that's that.
Speaker 9: Yeah, that's where we found out later on in life
Speaker 9: that it was the Rockefellers that ended up setting up
Speaker 9: the American education the public school system and basically writing
Speaker 9: what they wanted to be taught. So once we learned that,
Speaker 9: then it was like, well, it makes sense why they
Speaker 9: were covering it all up and how the whole education
Speaker 9: system was set up.
Speaker 7: In that manner. Even though our parents taught us a biblical.
Speaker 9: Viewpoint on creation and nature and stuff like that, but.
Speaker 8: They didn't know about the flatters of that time.
Speaker 11: Yeah they Yeah, that's to me, that's something that you
Speaker 11: either get it or you don't.
Speaker 9: And for me, when I first started hearing it, I
Speaker 9: was like, Okay, I don't want to be I don't
Speaker 9: want to be gullible and just kind of be, you know,
Speaker 9: accepting strange or new, weird things without it being I'd like.
Speaker 7: It to be factual and kind.
Speaker 9: Of have some depth of some way of really to
Speaker 9: be able to understand it. So at first I started
Speaker 9: kind of with an open mind, trying to trying to
Speaker 9: look at stuff, and the more I listened to it,
Speaker 9: the more I started I don't know. I guess deep
Speaker 9: down inside, I just had a feeling that it eight
Speaker 9: sense somehow, like there's something about it that seems right
Speaker 9: as illogical as you know, everybody tries to make it
Speaker 9: sound like, oh, that can't possibly be. You just get
Speaker 9: a feeling inside that this makes sense to me somehow.
Speaker 9: I don't understand why, but it makes sense. And the
Speaker 9: more you study, the more you learn about it, it
Speaker 9: kind of adds.
Speaker 7: More to the whole bigger picture of it all.
Speaker 9: But I remember listening a lot to Kent Hovid has
Speaker 9: a lot of interesting videos on creation that he does,
Speaker 9: and he even talks about how.
Speaker 7: There was people that had gone to Africa.
Speaker 9: I guess in the nineteenth century that they said that
Speaker 9: they actually found dinosaurs in some swamps in different places.
Speaker 7: So, you know, they try to make it seem like
Speaker 7: dinosaurs was new and millions of years ago, but.
Speaker 9: The reality is is there's there were still different forms
Speaker 9: of dinosaurs that were still all the way up to
Speaker 9: the nineteenth century or eighteenth eighteen nineteenth century, there was
Speaker 9: still different types of creatures that you know, we weren't
Speaker 9: supposed to know existed now because that would totally change
Speaker 9: the you know, narrative of evolution being you know, so
Speaker 9: long ago.
Speaker 8: You should look up that were they're really dinosaurs?
Speaker 6: Well, also.
Speaker 9: In Texas, didn't they find uh didn't they find footprints?
Speaker 9: Giant footprints of human beings and then right next to
Speaker 9: it there was giant footprints of dinosaurs yep.
Speaker 5: And then there's but tracks, there's the stories of the
Speaker 5: giants in Afghanistan. And by the way that in Wyoming
Speaker 5: it was called Devil's Tower, that's what it was. And
Speaker 5: by the way that Hangman eleven twenty eight I wasn't
Speaker 5: familiar with it. I'll put that in the show notes.
Speaker 5: A lot of really really interesting video, I mean I'm
Speaker 5: just seeing the thumbnails, obviously, but it looks like a
Speaker 5: lot of really cool.
Speaker 6: Videos, and yeah, he's got a lot, Yeah he does.
Speaker 5: On that note, do you think would you guess that
Speaker 5: the pyramids were probably built by the same people who
Speaker 5: were chopping down these streets.
Speaker 9: Or that I feel like it wasn't I guess the
Speaker 9: organization of how it happened all over the world, because
Speaker 9: from what I'm understanding is there's pyramids that are being
Speaker 9: found everywhere in the North Pole, there's even some underwater
Speaker 9: that I've heard have been found. They're in Yeah, they're
Speaker 9: in Asia, in the Americas, and and so for that
Speaker 9: kind of stone construction and that type of technology and work,
Speaker 9: I believe that there was a different knowledge than you know,
Speaker 9: maybe what man possessed. The thing is is, it's it's
Speaker 9: hard to know.
Speaker 7: What what what do you like? What do you call it?
Speaker 9: Some people call it extraterrestrials, ets, aliens, you know. I
Speaker 9: feel like it's more, you know, spirit beings or creatures
Speaker 9: from heaven.
Speaker 7: So I believe that God and his angels.
Speaker 9: Created this earth and were responsible and had watchers that
Speaker 9: would take care of us and help us. And so
Speaker 9: another big aspect to that kindind of was that tied
Speaker 9: for me, tied into the creation aspect and flat earth
Speaker 9: is that, you know, the Bible talks.
Speaker 7: About the end time being like the days of Noah, and.
Speaker 9: There was a there was a pastor that I used
Speaker 9: to talk to, and he explained that about the whole
Speaker 9: aspect of gene manipulation and how the fallen angels had
Speaker 9: made it with the women of men and.
Speaker 7: Created these beings, these creatures where God, God made man
Speaker 7: and woman to be the way he wanted them, with
Speaker 7: pure genetics and a certain way of being. And then
Speaker 7: now we're hearing about all this.
Speaker 9: Genetic modification and the you know, tampering with genes and
Speaker 9: creating test two babies and clones and.
Speaker 7: All this other stuff that's going on with science. It
Speaker 7: kind of.
Speaker 9: Started helping putting two and two together as to what's
Speaker 9: going on that it wasn't just evil, but it's also
Speaker 9: part of the evil that was going on was men
Speaker 9: trying to play God by changing the structure of how
Speaker 9: God made men and women.
Speaker 7: You know, how his creation was made by him.
Speaker 9: They're trying to alter it and make their own creations
Speaker 9: and thinking that they have the power to create what
Speaker 9: they want, but those are all just different aspects that
Speaker 9: all kind of tie into the picture. So as I
Speaker 9: started listening more and more to different flat Earth information,
Speaker 9: it just something made sense about it. And I guess
Speaker 9: part of the frustrating part for me is, you know,
Speaker 9: when I talk to people, I kind of joke around
Speaker 9: and I'll make flat Earth jokes or sarcastic comments about stuff,
Speaker 9: and then I wait and watch and see how somebody reacts,
Speaker 9: and if they react well to it, or they kind
Speaker 9: of if they laugh at me or kind of make
Speaker 9: fun of then I'm like, Okay, you're not into that.
Speaker 9: That doesn't you don't get it. So I'm not going
Speaker 9: to try to push the issue because the more the
Speaker 9: more somebody's set in their mind that no, it's this
Speaker 9: way and that's the only way, and that there's no
Speaker 9: other way and that's it, then you know that they're
Speaker 9: closed minded.
Speaker 7: They're not going to be open to hearing anything different.
Speaker 9: But so yeah, if somebody is receptive, a lot of
Speaker 9: times they're like, well, I don't know much about that,
Speaker 9: but what you know, what information do you have or
Speaker 9: what can you show me that I can kind of
Speaker 9: look it over? And then they start digging for themselves,
Speaker 9: to ask questions, to look at a lot of stuff.
Speaker 9: But that's what it's been like for me as far
Speaker 9: as uh, trying to talk to other people about it.
Speaker 6: How about yourself?
Speaker 1: Maya well funny thing the other day at work, I
Speaker 1: was working around these two guys I didn't know anything about, and.
Speaker 8: One guy said, you know, money makes the world go around.
Speaker 8: I was like, does it? And he goes, wait, what
Speaker 8: is it? What do you mean? I was like, it
Speaker 8: can actually not move. And then one of the other
Speaker 8: guys thin goes, you're a flat you believe in flat Earth?
Speaker 8: And I was like, well yeah, I was like straightforward,
Speaker 8: and I was like, you know, yeah I do. And
Speaker 8: then the other guy's like, wait a second, well what
Speaker 8: about this?
Speaker 1: And I started telling a few different things that I've
Speaker 1: heard on your podcast that people say. It's like, okay,
Speaker 1: well if they you know, if they say this, you know,
Speaker 1: we'll mention this. And then for the next two hours
Speaker 1: these guys were like, but what about this?
Speaker 8: What about that that I was telling?
Speaker 9: You know?
Speaker 1: I was like, well, go listen to the Flat Earth
Speaker 1: Files on Spotify, start.
Speaker 8: With episode one and move on. But there's like x
Speaker 8: amount of biblical.
Speaker 1: Verses that say, you know, the earth is stationary, it
Speaker 1: shall not be moved.
Speaker 8: It's got a dome.
Speaker 1: Or it's got you know, the tent or the whatever
Speaker 1: that verse is about, you know, the covering.
Speaker 8: And then this one guy says, you know, well, well
Speaker 8: that's all hocus pocus. I was like, well, that's not
Speaker 8: what I think. You asked me what I thought.
Speaker 1: And then we go to this other guy that was
Speaker 1: working in our area, and the guy that was skeptical,
Speaker 1: he goes, hey, guess what, the Earth is not round
Speaker 1: like a ball. And the other guy was a little
Speaker 1: taken back for a second. He goes, I know who
Speaker 1: told you that. He goes, well, listen to And then
Speaker 1: for the next forty minutes before we're end of our shift,
Speaker 1: they were talking about, you know, things that I had
Speaker 1: told him, and he.
Speaker 8: Goes, yeah, I've heard that too.
Speaker 1: So I found out yesterday that the guy that was
Speaker 1: told by the other two guys that the earth was
Speaker 1: not spinning.
Speaker 8: I asked him yesterday as I was leaving.
Speaker 1: He goes, so, how did you come to knowing that
Speaker 1: earth is not a spinning ball? He goes, my wife YouTube.
Speaker 1: And then at that time we were going to a church,
Speaker 1: and you know, we were comparing different things that it
Speaker 1: said in the Bible about the Earth and you know,
Speaker 1: the globe or the stationary place we live on, and
Speaker 1: he goes just made sense. And so he's been a
Speaker 1: flat earther now for the last two years, him and
Speaker 1: his wife.
Speaker 8: So I was like, I was excited about that because
Speaker 8: I just kind of went I wasn't going to push
Speaker 8: my point, but I was, you know, yeah.
Speaker 1: I initially said that, I think day two, and then
Speaker 1: by day five I still hadn't said anything or dropped
Speaker 1: any you know, nuggets of any kind. But the other
Speaker 1: guy said, so, how's the Earth flying these days? I
Speaker 1: get still not spending I don't even try it, so anyway, you.
Speaker 8: Know, that's but it's just dropping those nuggets.
Speaker 1: And we've I've dropped it with Tim, I've dropped it
Speaker 1: with my mom.
Speaker 8: I've dropped it with two of my other daughters.
Speaker 1: My youngest actually believes in the flat Earth because I've
Speaker 1: sent her, I've sent her podcasts of yours, I've sent
Speaker 1: her YouTube videos, I've sent her TikTok. So these guys
Speaker 1: explaining about the biblical side.
Speaker 8: Of the earth.
Speaker 9: Yeah, one of the uh one of the things that
Speaker 9: kind of I guess was the bigger moment that kind
Speaker 9: of made a large amount of sense to me about
Speaker 9: the flat Earth was we have had to travel quite
Speaker 9: a bit and flying airplanes around the world. So the
Speaker 9: airplanes will have a monitor inside that'll show your flight
Speaker 9: path of where you're flying. And we're sitting there going, Okay,
Speaker 9: we're leaving New York going to Western Europe. We're going
Speaker 9: to Germany, Frankfurt. Why are we flying like this up
Speaker 9: and over to the North Pole and then dropping down.
Speaker 9: Aren't we putting tons of extra miles on our path?
Speaker 7: This seems ridiculous.
Speaker 9: And then the moment that it made sense was where
Speaker 9: somebody showed the Gleason's map and laid it out and
Speaker 9: he goes, look an airflight from New York. This is
Speaker 9: a common flight that happens all the time, leading New
Speaker 9: York to England or to Germany or to whatever. These
Speaker 9: flights happen all the time, and he shows the direct path.
Speaker 7: He goes, does that make sense now?
Speaker 9: Like why they It looks like they're doing this giant,
Speaker 9: massive curve. And then so that that to me was
Speaker 9: like a huge eye opener. I was like I always
Speaker 9: questioned that, like, why the heck are we flying in such.
Speaker 8: A twenty three weird powers to Europe.
Speaker 9: Yeah, but in all actuality, according to the Gleasons math,
Speaker 9: the way it's laid out, it makes so much more
Speaker 9: sense than also learning about the Internet cables that are
Speaker 9: actually through all the oceans instead of all the massive
Speaker 9: satellites that they claimed the millions of satellites flying throughout space.
Speaker 9: That ninety some huge percentage of Internet all travels through
Speaker 9: cables through the ocean.
Speaker 7: So I was like, okay, well.
Speaker 9: That's starting to put a hole in the hole, you know,
Speaker 9: outer space type idea. So to me that was the
Speaker 9: flatter the Gleason's map kind of started being a big
Speaker 9: portion of the puzzle of putting things together.
Speaker 7: Another aspect was.
Speaker 9: I've been seeing different stuff about how photographers were able
Speaker 9: to stand on top of these different mountains and places
Speaker 9: around the world and they could.
Speaker 7: Take a zoom photo.
Speaker 9: From a distance and on the horizon you can see
Speaker 9: things that are hundreds.
Speaker 7: Of miles away.
Speaker 9: And then somebody was like, well, how does that make
Speaker 9: sense that you can see something that that's.
Speaker 7: That far away?
Speaker 9: If you do the mathematics of the curvature of the Earth.
Speaker 9: You shouldn't be able to see things that are that distance.
Speaker 9: And then you know, finding out hearing that a lot
Speaker 9: of pilots, I don't know about all pilots, but a
Speaker 9: large portion of pilots believe that the Earth is flat
Speaker 9: when they fly across it because they I've heard the
Speaker 9: testimonies where they ask.
Speaker 7: Them, well, do you does the nose dip?
Speaker 9: Do you have to constantly be having to dip down
Speaker 9: as you're flying around the Earth, And they're like, no,
Speaker 9: we fly we fly straight altitude. There's not this consistent
Speaker 9: dipping that would occur if you're flying around a flat globe,
Speaker 9: or flying around the globe Earth instead of a flatter.
Speaker 5: So and of course people always say, well, if they
Speaker 5: are at the spinning a certain direction at one thousand
Speaker 5: miles an hour, shouldn't travel be much quicker going in
Speaker 5: one direction than the other.
Speaker 7: Yeah, But yeah.
Speaker 5: Then you get the whole wall. It's in the atmosphere
Speaker 5: and this, that and the other thing. It's it's more
Speaker 5: scientis Yeah.
Speaker 9: What's interesting too, though, that I've been noticing online is that.
Speaker 7: People are starting to question science a lot more.
Speaker 6: Yep.
Speaker 9: And what I've noticed is there's i don't know the
Speaker 9: name of the scientists, but he he's a I think
Speaker 9: he was a mathematician, and he was explaining that one
Speaker 9: of the biggest pitfalls for science right now in the
Speaker 9: world is that the top scientists are like gatekeepers. They're
Speaker 9: very snobby and they look down on anyone underneath them because, oh,
Speaker 9: you're not as educated as I am. I am the
Speaker 9: expert in this field. Therefore you have to listen to me.
Speaker 9: This is the only way it can be done. And
Speaker 9: I understand there are certain laws of science and physics
Speaker 9: and things like that, but just the way that they
Speaker 9: treat people that you're you know, you can't possibly have
Speaker 9: the capacity to understand these deep scientific things.
Speaker 7: You shouldn't eve an attempt to try to think of it.
Speaker 7: Kind of I don't know.
Speaker 9: To me, it just bothers me because I feel like
Speaker 9: God created this earth, and his gospel and his teachings
Speaker 9: are so simple that even children can understand them.
Speaker 7: So why would God make.
Speaker 9: Things so difficult that nobody would understand how they're created?
Speaker 7: You know, I believe there is a simplicity, and.
Speaker 9: I believe that if God gives you the understanding, he
Speaker 9: can give you the understanding to know something and to
Speaker 9: understand if something is true or if something is false.
Speaker 7: So, you know, I just it bothers.
Speaker 9: Me listening to some of these scientists try to explain
Speaker 9: something when they're like, you know, of course we went
Speaker 9: to the moon, and of course this is the way
Speaker 9: this is. And you know, you can't think outside the box,
Speaker 9: Like that's wrong, You're just wrong if you think anything
Speaker 9: different than this.
Speaker 8: NASA fails.
Speaker 6: Yeah, right, and that's I'm sorry. Go ahead.
Speaker 8: I mentioned that to people sometimes. I was like, have
Speaker 8: you ever watched those NASA fails?
Speaker 7: What then a space agent?
Speaker 12: Oh?
Speaker 7: That was another thing for me. For me, it was
Speaker 7: really kind of disappointing.
Speaker 9: I I was really into NASA growing up. I was
Speaker 9: I was one of those kids that wanted to you know,
Speaker 9: dreamed about being an ass for not and flying into
Speaker 9: outer space one time.
Speaker 7: You know, that whole thing scenario when you're young and you're.
Speaker 9: And I believed about all the different stuff that NASA did,
Speaker 9: and you know, they made you believe that it was
Speaker 9: a good program and they had all this good stuff
Speaker 9: going and everything, and then all of a sudden you
Speaker 9: start finding out all the truth of where their scientists
Speaker 9: came from and where their science was going and what
Speaker 9: it was funded from, and their ultimate plan and goal
Speaker 9: and it I don't know, I felt so great afterwards.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's that's one of the things. I'm sorry, go ahead.
Speaker 7: After that, I was just like, I'm done.
Speaker 8: I I.
Speaker 7: It was hard. It was hard.
Speaker 5: That that's one of the many things that you have
Speaker 5: to to wrap your head around after you come around
Speaker 5: to this. And I know Maya kind of explained her
Speaker 5: her a couple of weeks of going through that. It's
Speaker 5: interesting two things that you'd mentioned today that that is
Speaker 5: kind of a current event. We talked about the earthquake
Speaker 5: with Chile, and then you mentioned the underwater internet cables.
Speaker 5: Right that they make it sound like way of all
Speaker 5: these satellites, but the truth is ninety nine point five
Speaker 5: percent of all our communications are connected now locally. Yes,
Speaker 5: we have towers, we have Wi Fi in our house,
Speaker 5: but all of that is provided through cables. And the
Speaker 5: story again that was put out just five hours ago,
Speaker 5: is that the US is seeing this increasing risk of
Speaker 5: Russian sabotage of key undersea cables by this Russian secretive
Speaker 5: military unit, which tells me that they're planning for you know,
Speaker 5: now between maybe now November fifth, say, maybe this attack
Speaker 5: on our infrastructure and being blamed on Russia.
Speaker 7: Yeah, oh lord. Yeah.
Speaker 9: There was also I remember hearing an article too about
Speaker 9: how there are some satellites that go up but they're
Speaker 9: not long life satellites. But there are satellites that do
Speaker 9: go up into the sky, but they're put up there
Speaker 9: with balloons with rockets, and they don't go to the
Speaker 9: outer Well, I guess what would be considered the outer
Speaker 9: space of the area, you know, way up there. It's
Speaker 9: still within our dome area that they would have to
Speaker 9: float around in or whatever.
Speaker 7: But to me, that was interesting seeing.
Speaker 9: Those, But that's not going to be information that comes
Speaker 9: out on your average place. I was talking to Maya
Speaker 9: about the frustrating part of if you use Google to
Speaker 9: search some of these things, some of these stuff that
Speaker 9: people are talking about, most of that information.
Speaker 7: Gets blocked or stopped.
Speaker 9: And it's interesting how you have to kind of start
Speaker 9: looking at other search engines that can help you with
Speaker 9: finding information that's that's not being censored by Google. I
Speaker 9: know they block a lot of that information because I'll
Speaker 9: tell my friends different things and they'll be like, well,
Speaker 9: according to Google, Google says this I'm like, you also
Speaker 9: get your information from Wikipedia to and.
Speaker 7: You know where where do you learn from?
Speaker 9: Because if you only go to the sources that tell
Speaker 9: you one thing, you're not going to see other sides
Speaker 9: or you know how the dots are connected with the
Speaker 9: different information. So I think that's important is to learn
Speaker 9: that there's other sources, other places where information can be found.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and X Y and X brave used to be good.
Speaker 5: It's it's starting to kind of parallel with Google, but
Speaker 5: yandex is still pretty good.
Speaker 6: And course YouTube is just a hot mess.
Speaker 5: If if you if you try to find anything on
Speaker 5: flat Earth, you've got to manipulate the search engine with
Speaker 5: date uploaded or things like that, because you just get
Speaker 5: all of the flat earth propaganda anytime you try to
Speaker 5: research on YouTube. Sorry, And with that being said, you
Speaker 5: were both basically homeschooled, so obviously I'm assuming you guys
Speaker 5: were taught we landed on the Moon July twentieth, nineteen sixty. Yeah,
Speaker 5: did you ever question that prior to flat Earth? Or
Speaker 5: was that just you know, a normal part of history.
Speaker 7: It was questioned, But.
Speaker 9: So I remember there there was a movie that came
Speaker 9: out a while back, and for me It was weird
Speaker 9: watching the film because, like I said, I didn't grow
Speaker 9: up in the US, so when I watched movies, to me,
Speaker 9: movies were very different because movies are kind of explaining
Speaker 9: the culture of where the movies are from. So the
Speaker 9: movies most a lot of movies are made in America,
Speaker 9: so it kind of explains the culture of what's going
Speaker 9: on in America.
Speaker 7: So I watched this movie a while back, and.
Speaker 9: The movie was about astronauts that were trying to be
Speaker 9: whistleblowers and come out and say that they never landed
Speaker 9: on the Earth, never landed on the Moon, that it
Speaker 9: was all staged and all the rest. And I was young,
Speaker 9: so I didn't remember the movie, but it made a
Speaker 9: big impact on me, like why is there a movie
Speaker 9: about a fake moon landing? And then when I would
Speaker 9: ask adults or ask other people, Hey, so what's this
Speaker 9: movie about about this fake moon landing?
Speaker 7: And they're like, Oh, that's just that's just a Hollywood film.
Speaker 9: That's just the movie. Don't worry about it. It's not real.
Speaker 9: It's fake.
Speaker 7: But what's interesting to me is finding out that.
Speaker 9: These I've been hearing that these evil forces that do
Speaker 9: their wicked plans around the world that they're obligated to
Speaker 9: tell us in their roundabout way.
Speaker 7: They have to tell us what they're up to in
Speaker 7: order for.
Speaker 9: I guess them not to be held accountable or responsible.
Speaker 7: So if they tell us.
Speaker 9: In a roundabout way then and we don't do anything
Speaker 9: about it, then they can get away with.
Speaker 7: The things that they're doing.
Speaker 6: That's right.
Speaker 7: So then I thought, well.
Speaker 9: Wait a minute, maybe they put it in a movie
Speaker 9: because they were trying to say something but couldn't come out.
Speaker 9: And of course everybody's going to go, oh, that's just
Speaker 9: the movie. So you don't believe in stuff like that, right,
Speaker 9: Hollywood's not real.
Speaker 7: It's not real.
Speaker 9: So so yeah, at first I questioned it. When I
Speaker 9: saw that, I was like, well, what if it was fake?
Speaker 9: And then I mean, I know, this is a little goofy,
Speaker 9: but I love the Transformer movies and they had a
Speaker 9: deal about the Dark Side of the Moon, which then
Speaker 9: also kind of made me wonder. I wonder if they're
Speaker 9: putting it in a lot of different things in order
Speaker 9: to kind of spread spread out the ideals, because it's
Speaker 9: in different areas now. But I questioned it for a while,
Speaker 9: and I you know, I don't understand the whole. I've
Speaker 9: heard people say that the Moon isn't a actual ball
Speaker 9: planet or not planet, but a.
Speaker 7: Solid structure that goes around. Yeah.
Speaker 9: I've heard some people say that it's something that reflects
Speaker 9: that it's more like a satellite than a It's like
Speaker 9: a flat satellite. It's not really a round. All the
Speaker 9: thing is is we don't have the capacity to fly
Speaker 9: out there and touch it and tell you for sure
Speaker 9: one hundred percent.
Speaker 7: We have to believe what.
Speaker 9: The people who have the equipment and the finance and
Speaker 9: the money to be able to create their narrative of
Speaker 9: what they're doing.
Speaker 7: We have to believe. Well, that's as far as we.
Speaker 9: Can understand is what scientists say that they have experienced
Speaker 9: and done. I just question the aspect of how come
Speaker 9: we did it back when technology was not very advanced,
Speaker 9: but yet we can't seem to do it now. There
Speaker 9: hasn't been any recent trips to the Moon, so it
Speaker 9: kind of made me ask the question of, you know,
Speaker 9: at another point in time, did they.
Speaker 7: Actually go to the Moon and did they encounter something.
Speaker 9: That they don't want to tell us about and that's
Speaker 9: why they're not they're no longer going there or telling
Speaker 9: us that they're going there anymore, just like the whole.
Speaker 7: Another aspect, I've.
Speaker 9: Heard of the Admiral bird that went down to the
Speaker 9: South Pole. I learned about him as a child. I've
Speaker 9: heard stories about him. My dad told him, taught me
Speaker 9: about him, and then now I'm finding out a lot
Speaker 9: more information. And so that was another weird thing. How
Speaker 9: the world, it seemed like, used to have this drive
Speaker 9: and this focus of exploration and going all over the
Speaker 9: world and mapping things and discovery, and then all of
Speaker 9: a sudden, out of nowhere in the nineteen was it
Speaker 9: forties or fifties, We're done.
Speaker 7: All of a sudden, they're like, yeah, nobody, we're going
Speaker 7: to make a pack. All these countries are going to
Speaker 7: make a pack.
Speaker 9: That nobody's allowed to research Antarctica without explicit permission by
Speaker 9: a specific committee that's going to tell you whether or
Speaker 9: not you're allowed to do something.
Speaker 7: Was just kind of like what.
Speaker 9: It just seemed like most countries should have had the
Speaker 9: freedom and ability to explore wherever they wanted to go
Speaker 9: and learn and you know, put out this information for
Speaker 9: people to learn about. But for Antarctica to all of
Speaker 9: a sudden be just oh no, we're going to close
Speaker 9: this off. You're not allowed to research anything here. This
Speaker 9: is this is a big no no Google.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and that's just inherently wrong with the world right now.
Speaker 5: People say, your government's own things, and God didn't create
Speaker 5: this realm for to be governed by people. It's everybody
Speaker 5: should be able to experience God's creation without being told.
Speaker 6: You can't go there, you can't go there.
Speaker 5: And obviously the reason and my belief is that Antarctica
Speaker 5: Treaty of was it nineteen fifty eight, I think is
Speaker 5: because that would disclose the truth. And that's the other
Speaker 5: word disclosure, right, That's why they have their gatekeepers, that's
Speaker 5: why they have the Alex Joneses, and that's why they
Speaker 5: make the movies like you've referenced the Truman Show, which,
Speaker 5: by the way, one of the co producers was.
Speaker 6: A Rothschild.
Speaker 5: Luke Rothschild was a co producer for The Truman Show. So, yeah,
Speaker 5: all of these things are for a reason, but they
Speaker 5: are not for you know, for our best right.
Speaker 6: They like to come off all these things.
Speaker 5: They do it's for the greater good, but that couldn't
Speaker 5: be further from the truth.
Speaker 7: I think the movie that I might be remembering.
Speaker 9: I don't know if it's the right name, but a
Speaker 9: name that's coming to mind is Unicorn one.
Speaker 6: Oh, Capricorn one.
Speaker 7: Capricorn one.
Speaker 6: Yeah. O. J. Simpson was in that movie.
Speaker 7: Really.
Speaker 5: Yeah, they were going to Mars instead of the Moon
Speaker 5: and they evacuated them from the launch pad and Capricorn one.
Speaker 7: Yeah, Capricorn one. That was the one.
Speaker 8: Yeah, well you got the one part correct.
Speaker 9: Yeah, that was certainly just I wasn't I was overseas
Speaker 9: when I watched it, so to me, it was bizarre
Speaker 9: watching this film about that.
Speaker 5: But yeah, and it was only eight years after the
Speaker 5: Moon landing. Yeah, seventy seven.
Speaker 7: Oh wow. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 9: But the whole deal with Antarctica is kind of to
Speaker 9: me another aspect. I didn't know this, but somebody was
Speaker 9: saying that Antarctica has the highest elevation yep, the world,
Speaker 9: And that makes sense that if Antarctica has the highest
Speaker 9: elevation and you look at the Gleason's map, you have
Speaker 9: a ring around the outside that's higher than the waters.
Speaker 9: That's how the waters are going to be held in.
Speaker 9: It totally makes sense. And I'm like, Okay, I get this.
Speaker 9: I don't know why, but it really makes sense between
Speaker 9: that and the whole aspect of flying, and then seeing
Speaker 9: the documents from NASA that talk about when they do
Speaker 9: their testing for different types of aircraft, it's.
Speaker 7: Based on a flat Earth model.
Speaker 9: I'm like, wait a minute, they're even saying based on
Speaker 9: a flat Earth model. And they're the ones that are
Speaker 9: supposed to be the scientists that know everything absolutely, you.
Speaker 7: Know, why would they put that information in there?
Speaker 9: So, you know, and you start putting all the dots together,
Speaker 9: it starts.
Speaker 7: Starts making sense.
Speaker 9: I guess the question now for me is, you know,
Speaker 9: it's hard to be living in these times knowing that
Speaker 9: there's more out there, but we're not allowed to talk
Speaker 9: about it and we're not allowed to know about it.
Speaker 9: So it's kind of like, oh man, this is frustrating.
Speaker 9: This This might have been what it was like back
Speaker 9: in the day when people were still exploring a lot
Speaker 9: of countries and a lot of places, and they.
Speaker 7: Just have this yarning to know what is beyond the
Speaker 7: ice wall? You know, what is outside? Why? Why is
Speaker 7: it that you know this is the way it is.
Speaker 9: Yeah, even seeing how they're trying to get how Elon
Speaker 9: Musk is trying to get his rockets into outer space, and.
Speaker 7: Before that it was only.
Speaker 9: Governments that had the money to fund any kind of
Speaker 9: space expiration or any kind of scientific stuff of that nature.
Speaker 9: And then for there to finally come a time where
Speaker 9: an outsider that's not governed by the government can then
Speaker 9: create his own you know, space travel and then try
Speaker 9: to send something out only to come to the knowledge
Speaker 9: that they figured out was that you can't really make
Speaker 9: it to the outer space.
Speaker 6: That's right.
Speaker 5: And for me, it's frustrating because you know, we have everybody,
Speaker 5: they're paying their taxes and NASA's getting U seventy.
Speaker 6: Million dollars per day.
Speaker 5: And then when you think about truly if we believe
Speaker 5: what we believe, then you have to you would have
Speaker 5: to say that I'm sorry. NASA's two biggest most important
Speaker 5: missions and like seriously is number one to deceive people
Speaker 5: and to hide God. But number two, you have to
Speaker 5: ask yourself, are these people actively and this goes to
Speaker 5: the scientists down in Antarctica as well, are they actively
Speaker 5: trying to get through the firmament and I'm talking about
Speaker 5: in their mind to try to overthrow God like Nimrod
Speaker 5: did back during the building of the Tower of Babel.
Speaker 7: Yeah, yep, yep.
Speaker 9: I I definitely believe that that's.
Speaker 7: Their reason, is that they.
Speaker 9: They'd have to admit that the Bible is true and
Speaker 9: that these things are So I just lost my train
Speaker 9: of thought. There was something I was about to bring up.
Speaker 9: Oh man, I hate it when your thoughts all of
Speaker 9: a sudden.
Speaker 7: World.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm there with you.
Speaker 7: Do you want to say so?
Speaker 8: I don't know where to start or that the ninety
Speaker 8: minute mark.
Speaker 5: Aren't we Yeah, we're ahead, we still have another twenty
Speaker 5: or thirty minutes.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I had to do with.
Speaker 9: Uh, I had to do with the the furmament that
Speaker 9: you were talking about.
Speaker 7: I'll get my training.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 5: We were talking about disclosure too in Hollywood and all
Speaker 5: the gatekeepers who are used for that disclosure. And again Hollywood,
Speaker 5: the media, the news, all of that, they're they're they're gatekeepers.
Speaker 5: We know that ninety six percent of all the news
Speaker 5: agencies they're uh, they're all controlled and they you know,
Speaker 5: they get their makeup done, they sit in front of
Speaker 5: a camera and they read what they're told. And that's
Speaker 5: really where we're at. And I can understand. And again,
Speaker 5: it's really interesting the Truman Show. Going back to what
Speaker 5: Tim was saying is he started to understand, like something's
Speaker 5: going on here, like when the light fell from the sky,
Speaker 5: and he's just like, and it's our nature to be curious,
Speaker 5: and he got curious and he explored and realized that
Speaker 5: his world was a lie, right, And that's kind of
Speaker 5: where we're at, where we are told this is how
Speaker 5: the world works. It's spinning, it's hurtling, and you know,
Speaker 5: we own this. You have to pay taxes on this
Speaker 5: to live here, and that they create this realm that
Speaker 5: that we live in. And really it's it's an open
Speaker 5: air prison. Not to be dramatic, right, We all have
Speaker 5: our freedoms, we come and go in these type of things,
Speaker 5: but you do have to live a certain way, right right, yeap.
Speaker 5: So if we really covered much of that, I know
Speaker 5: Tim probably has one more thing he wanted to think about.
Speaker 5: But if you wanted to into anything else, now would
Speaker 5: be a great time.
Speaker 9: I just was thinking about it again what you were
Speaker 9: saying as far as the gatekeepers. Part of something that
Speaker 9: really is frustrating when trying to learn about these different
Speaker 9: things is.
Speaker 7: Trying to discern between misinformation, you know, truth and.
Speaker 9: Lies, because we know that if they want to distract
Speaker 9: you or keep you away from something. They're going to
Speaker 9: stick a bunch of blatant some of it has to
Speaker 9: be things with mixed truths, and then they start also
Speaker 9: flooding a bunch of crazy stuff and lies in strange
Speaker 9: things that way.
Speaker 7: Anybody tries to look, they're confused.
Speaker 9: They're like, wait a minute, what am I supposed to
Speaker 9: believe now, because you know, I'm trying to research about this.
Speaker 7: I'm trying to find interesting stuff out.
Speaker 9: But they start mixing a bunch of stuff with it
Speaker 9: and telling y'all, no, no, that's a conspiracy theory.
Speaker 7: Don't go that way. That's all false.
Speaker 9: Scientists have proven that that's not real, and there's there's
Speaker 9: nothing further to look. So it just makes it so
Speaker 9: frustrating sometimes to to try to get information or try
Speaker 9: to kind of build more of a foundation of understanding
Speaker 9: on some of these aspects. But I think, deep down inside,
Speaker 9: it's one of those things that you have to ask,
Speaker 9: you know, if you're a believer, you have to ask
Speaker 9: God for clarity on some of these things, because you know,
Speaker 9: sometimes Mile will show me a video and she's like, oh, hey,
Speaker 9: what do you think about what this guy's saying? And
Speaker 9: sometimes I just get like a bad feeling, like, okay,
Speaker 9: it doesn't jive with the biblical aspects of our understanding,
Speaker 9: and it kind of has more of a feared tone
Speaker 9: to it, Like it doesn't it doesn't promote, It doesn't
Speaker 9: promote the things that we know to be a foundation
Speaker 9: of trusting God into you know, the creation aspect. It
Speaker 9: kind of has more of this weird, dark alien you know,
Speaker 9: other aspect that just doesn't seem right. So we have
Speaker 9: to kind of like learned the way things out as
Speaker 9: to you know, what things should we believe and how
Speaker 9: do these things tie in together?
Speaker 7: You know, you got to be perful about it.
Speaker 1: Careful And that's where a lot of we've talked about
Speaker 1: it in the past, you know, about our friends, the
Speaker 1: aspect of you know, when friends talk about all.
Speaker 8: The moon landing because we'll bring up.
Speaker 1: Things every once in a while about you know, astronauts,
Speaker 1: you know, or the moon landings, and you know, but
Speaker 1: really at that point, you know, if and how Tim
Speaker 1: mentioned it before, that, if they automatically shut you down
Speaker 1: in anything that you may have to say that's different
Speaker 1: than what we've been all taught, you know, then that's
Speaker 1: where you just have to keep either keep your conversations
Speaker 1: with those friends as superficial or just chalk it up like, Okay,
Speaker 1: they're closed minded, you know, or you know, like he
Speaker 1: was saying, yes, I did send them something, but it
Speaker 1: was they had like partial truths in there. But then
Speaker 1: it started going with you know, it showed all these
Speaker 1: you know, AI stuff, but it was more of fear mongering.
Speaker 1: And that's where they're trying to like share martial truth
Speaker 1: but then get you to think about the other so
Speaker 1: you don't dwell on.
Speaker 8: What's actually the road you're supposed to be taking.
Speaker 1: Is the path of least they're having you go to
Speaker 1: the past path at least resistance, but then the other
Speaker 1: path is really where you should be going if you
Speaker 1: want to actually have their real truth. And that's where,
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, almost in the sense you have to
Speaker 1: discern the spirits, because there's there's good and bad.
Speaker 8: Yeah, where we love.
Speaker 9: There's another aspect that kind of has been a big.
Speaker 7: Eye opener for me is after.
Speaker 9: After learning the flat earth information, I've always, like I
Speaker 9: told you before, I've always been interested in nature, how
Speaker 9: incredible the earth was made, in the sense that like,
Speaker 9: first of all, water has such incredible properties and all
Speaker 9: the amazing things that water can do, how powerful it is,
Speaker 9: but yet how gentle it is, how life giving, but
Speaker 9: it can also take away your life if you're not
Speaker 9: respectful of it.
Speaker 7: And then as far as the earth, how the Earth is.
Speaker 9: Made, learning little by little about Nikola Tesla and all
Speaker 9: the different incredible things that he was trying to bring
Speaker 9: out about harnessing the natural powers that the earth had,
Speaker 9: the natural ether, I guess is what they call it.
Speaker 7: We started learning about.
Speaker 9: Grounding, grounding the effects of grounding scientifically for the body.
Speaker 7: How it heals the body. And then learning about sound
Speaker 7: sound resonance.
Speaker 9: I've been hearing a lot about how different frequencies and
Speaker 9: sounds and tones can either.
Speaker 7: Heal the body or really hurt and aggravate and bother you.
Speaker 9: Sound has the ability to do some pretty incredible things.
Speaker 7: And then learning how sound also.
Speaker 9: Can make beautiful pictures and beautiful things. So learning that
Speaker 9: the earth there's much more deeper amazing things that the
Speaker 9: earth has has been another, you know, big eye opener
Speaker 9: for me that you know, through sound and water and nature,
Speaker 9: God uses all these things to heal us and to
Speaker 9: take care of us.
Speaker 7: And and.
Speaker 9: You know this whole global warming thing is just so
Speaker 9: crazy how they're trying to make us believe that all
Speaker 9: these disasters are man made or man cause.
Speaker 7: But I believe that they to a degree.
Speaker 9: Some of the disasters are man made through how they're
Speaker 9: trying to manipulate our weather with cloud seating and all
Speaker 9: that other stuff that they're trying to do. But I
Speaker 9: think that nature naturally wants to heal you and take
Speaker 9: care of you and help you, you know, through proper eating,
Speaker 9: proper drinking, you know, proper absorption of God's natural things,
Speaker 9: your body can heal and be taken care of. So
Speaker 9: that was another big, huge thing for us to notice,
Speaker 9: is the different aspects of of you know, like I said,
Speaker 9: sound for the most part, you just you don't think
Speaker 9: of sound as being more than just, oh it's it's
Speaker 9: a pretty pretty, pretty beautiful melody, like classical music or
Speaker 9: you know, different stuff. I've I've always felt like music
Speaker 9: had a massive impact on me personally, Like I've always
Speaker 9: felt like music was one of God's ways of helping
Speaker 9: us see a different dimension or to feel a different dimension.
Speaker 7: Also, very strong negative music can be very harmful. So
Speaker 7: I didn't know this.
Speaker 9: But a while back we were following a guy who
Speaker 9: was explaining how during the Second World War, I believe
Speaker 9: governments around the world claimed that they needed resources to
Speaker 9: be able to fund their weapons of war, so they
Speaker 9: confiscated and took all the.
Speaker 7: Bells powers all over the world.
Speaker 9: And they took all these bells and got rid of them.
Speaker 9: And I found out that bells were actually created to
Speaker 9: a specific resonance sound, and that resonance sound, that frequency
Speaker 9: has a soothing, calming, healing effect. And so that was
Speaker 9: to me, like wow, you know, during World War two,
Speaker 9: we also lost a lot of history, a lot of
Speaker 9: history books, a lot of arts, amazing things that could
Speaker 9: have told us a lot of interesting things. But unfortunately
Speaker 9: during that time, a lot of that was controlled by
Speaker 9: the different governments that be at the time, and they
Speaker 9: have the power to manipulate, to hide, to confiscate or
Speaker 9: whatever all this information. So little by little as you
Speaker 9: find out that there were good things set in place
Speaker 9: around the world, but yet now they don't exist there
Speaker 9: no more, it kind of makes you wonder, well, it
Speaker 9: seemed like a time ago there were governments or there
Speaker 9: were people that put things in place that did help,
Speaker 9: that did give healing to the world, and little by
Speaker 9: little over time, these things have been taken away. Something interesting,
Speaker 9: like as far as like water goes, I didn't understand
Speaker 9: why different places had these amazing water gardens with fountains
Speaker 9: and these like waterfalls and trickling effects of all these
Speaker 9: different like water stuff. And then I found out that
Speaker 9: those gardens were made for healing. If you went to
Speaker 9: them and heard the sounds of the pitter powder and
Speaker 9: the splatter and the water raining down in the fountain
Speaker 9: and all the rest, it had a soothing, calming effect
Speaker 9: for people distressing and other stuff.
Speaker 7: But so it's interesting to me that, I mean, you
Speaker 7: don't see any of that anymore.
Speaker 9: You don't see any water gardens or any kind of
Speaker 9: natural places anymore that are being created.
Speaker 7: It's you know, these concrete jungles.
Speaker 8: Now.
Speaker 5: Yeah, And I'm so glad that you went the direction
Speaker 5: you did because so listening to and four thirty two
Speaker 5: hrtz is a big deal.
Speaker 6: You can find.
Speaker 5: Videos on YouTube that play in four thirty two and
Speaker 5: they have hundreds of millions of.
Speaker 6: Views on them.
Speaker 5: Also, when you mentioned the bells, that is something that
Speaker 5: I've been researching a lot.
Speaker 6: There's a guy from Russia.
Speaker 5: His name is Igor Canovo loov I think, and he
Speaker 5: goes into deep detail about how bell ringing not only
Speaker 5: heals physically, but is a known cure for depression. And
Speaker 5: again many like we walked downtown down by the beach
Speaker 5: a few weeks ago, the church bells have just disappeared,
Speaker 5: not just in the past, but there they're going away.
Speaker 5: And there's something to bells and vibrations and all of
Speaker 5: these things. And even getting back to like you said,
Speaker 5: when you move back to America, you noticed how all
Speaker 5: the lawns are manicured. Well, that's because we were all
Speaker 5: taught that weeds were bad. And now that I'm growing up,
Speaker 5: you find that nettle and dandelion and have some of
Speaker 5: the most healing properties.
Speaker 6: Yeah, all of these things.
Speaker 9: Yep, yeah, it's it's made me completely change my mindset
Speaker 9: of how to look at a field.
Speaker 7: Or a garden or just stuff.
Speaker 9: I used to look at my yard and I'd see
Speaker 9: a dandelion. I'd get so frustrated and mad. I'm like, oh,
Speaker 9: look at that stupid nasty weed. It's driving me crazy.
Speaker 9: And then now that I find out the healing properties
Speaker 9: of all that stuff, I look at my yard and
Speaker 9: I'm like, man, I wish more dandylions would grow around.
Speaker 9: It's yeah, it's so weird how they have over time, uh,
Speaker 9: doctrinated us and doctrinated and warped our minds to believe
Speaker 9: that what is bad and what is good, how to,
Speaker 9: how to how to look at things, And now we're.
Speaker 7: Having to we're having to stop and go, no, that's
Speaker 7: not the case.
Speaker 9: These these things are good for us.
Speaker 1: It's kind of like keeping up with the Joneses. You know,
Speaker 1: if the next person's keeping up their lawn and yours
Speaker 1: look like natural, then what are you doing?
Speaker 9: Yeah, you got to buy all their products to make
Speaker 9: your lawn look beautiful and green and full and with
Speaker 9: no weeds.
Speaker 7: But then you find out what they consider weeds.
Speaker 9: Are actually you know, good beautiful things that are not
Speaker 9: a bad thing.
Speaker 7: So but.
Speaker 5: Yeah, try explaining that to the Karen at the HOA
Speaker 5: that no, that's that's my healing. No, that's got to
Speaker 5: be cutting down. You're going to get a fifty dollars fine.
Speaker 5: My wife had to deal with that when I was
Speaker 5: in Iraq. When we lived in Colorado, we had like
Speaker 5: people had nothing better to do than walk around and
Speaker 5: write violations. Just oh god, that's it's eleven inches, it
Speaker 5: needs to be cut, just crazy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's too hot, your grass is too high.
Speaker 6: Yeah, unbelievable.
Speaker 9: Yeah yeah, but also too. I think we discussed this
Speaker 9: a little bit when we were in Oklahoma, that the
Speaker 9: food pyramid, I think is one of the big ones
Speaker 9: that's been waking a lot of people up. I heard
Speaker 9: Jordan Peterson talk about how that's one of the things
Speaker 9: that really blew his mind was how wrong they were
Speaker 9: about it. And you know, I've heard people say different
Speaker 9: quotes to the extent of, if the government tells me this,
Speaker 9: I'm doing the actual opposite, because obviously they're trying to
Speaker 9: control you. For the longest time, I was always told
Speaker 9: salt is bad, salt is bad, sodium is bad, don't
Speaker 9: eat salty things, or salt is bad for you. And
Speaker 9: I got a heat stroke of that's actually been a
Speaker 9: few years back now, but I got heatstroke twice living
Speaker 9: in Texas, and I almost died.
Speaker 7: Like I was really really close to not making it.
Speaker 9: I had to be on I had to be on
Speaker 9: IVS for I didn't do it intravenously, but I did.
Speaker 9: My wife kept feeding me different electrolytes, homemade electrolytes. We
Speaker 9: had a natural path doctor that told us what mixture
Speaker 9: to make bacon, soda, salt, lemon juice, and a little
Speaker 9: bit of natural sugar, and then just make it in
Speaker 9: a certain quantity and then I would take tablespoons of
Speaker 9: that and then drink water. And I did that, yeah,
Speaker 9: and then it hydrated me back. It took me months
Speaker 9: to recover physically, strength wise. But I was always told
Speaker 9: that salt. Salt is bad, salt is bad, you know,
Speaker 9: so I always had this kind of stigmatism.
Speaker 7: That, you know, oh, you don't need salt. Well, then
Speaker 7: I found out later that.
Speaker 9: Real, natural, wholesome, natural made salt actually has a large
Speaker 9: amount of minerals that go along with the sodium, not
Speaker 9: just sodium, but that the refined salt that we eat
Speaker 9: is you know, it's been baked and process so heavily
Speaker 9: that mostly what you get is sodium. So, you know,
Speaker 9: when I found out that salt is actually good for
Speaker 9: you in the natural form, that eggs aren't going to
Speaker 9: kill me. They're not going to make me have you know,
Speaker 9: horror tons of horrible choleresterol. My arteries are going to
Speaker 9: clog up, and I'm going to die because I'm eating eggs,
Speaker 9: you know, and all these different things that you know,
Speaker 9: they tried to make.
Speaker 7: So if you ate eggs with the yolk, you were
Speaker 7: you know, you were wrong. You had to eat just
Speaker 7: the whites and eat yolks.
Speaker 9: But then now they're coming out with information that the
Speaker 9: yolks actually have a lot of nutrients and vitamins and
Speaker 9: wholesome things that are actually good for you. So an
Speaker 9: egg is actually better to eat than a bowl of
Speaker 9: high processed wheat product that's soaked in hyperctose corn syrup
Speaker 9: and sugar. So I'm like, well, i think I'd rather
Speaker 9: die from eating some eggs with a little salt on
Speaker 9: it than eating you know, these cereals that are damaging
Speaker 9: to your body over time.
Speaker 5: So yeah, that was a big light pushed in the
Speaker 5: eighties that the eggs raised your cholesterol and they weren't
Speaker 5: good for you. And once again it turns out that
Speaker 5: was just another lie. And yeah, my wife gets the
Speaker 5: the that pink salt from Utah Redmon's salt, I think
Speaker 5: it's called yeah, and yeah, all that stuff is very
Speaker 5: important and it helps with the hydration, like you said
Speaker 5: in Texas is no joke.
Speaker 6: My goodness.
Speaker 7: Yeah, yep.
Speaker 9: And so I also found out that I think from
Speaker 9: what I hear, I hear it all the time from
Speaker 9: people around me at work and other places. They're like,
Speaker 9: oh my god, I have such bad heartburn. You know,
Speaker 9: I got to get my emephrosol or I got to
Speaker 9: get my anti acid medication. Well, I've been hearing different
Speaker 9: doctors talk about how heartburn is actually not a problem
Speaker 9: with too much acid.
Speaker 7: It's actually a problem with not enough acid.
Speaker 9: So if you have the right levels of acid in
Speaker 9: your stomach, then the little valve at the top of
Speaker 9: your stomach is supposed to close properly because the proper
Speaker 9: amount of acid, the healthy level of acid, makes that
Speaker 9: valve stay shut and closed, and then you don't have
Speaker 9: the acid flushing up into your throat. And so right
Speaker 9: now there's all these drugs and companies that are advertising
Speaker 9: all these It was that acid pump inhibitors that shut
Speaker 9: your acid producing components in your stomach down to lower
Speaker 9: the acid level. But then the problem is is you
Speaker 9: have all this food in your stomach and it's not
Speaker 9: being digest properly because you don't have proper levels of acid. Well,
Speaker 9: I found out that salt actually helps to break down
Speaker 9: the salt, helps to actually increase the healthy and proper
Speaker 9: levels of acids that you need in your stomach. So
Speaker 9: for a long long time, I just thought I had
Speaker 9: a broken indigestion, you know, that my stomach wasn't working
Speaker 9: right because it's broken. Then I found out that I'm
Speaker 9: actually deficient. I don't have enough of certain vitamins and
Speaker 9: certain nutrients and supplements. And once I started finding out
Speaker 9: which supplements those were, my heartburn condition has improved drastically.
Speaker 9: And I don't take any meph resol or any of
Speaker 9: those types of over the counter acid reducing medications. But
Speaker 9: I hear a lot of people talking about, oh, I
Speaker 9: have to take this or otherwise I'll get really bad,
Speaker 9: you know, heartburn and whatever. And then I feel bad
Speaker 9: for them because you know, there are natural supplements, vitamins
Speaker 9: and different natural things that they can be taking that
Speaker 9: can actually help their body. But it doesn't help the
Speaker 9: pharmaceutical industry, and it doesn't help the doctors, so therefore
Speaker 9: they're not really tell you the truth of how to
Speaker 9: heal yourself. But recently there's been more and more doctors
Speaker 9: that are willing to speak up and tell you the
Speaker 9: things that you can do to try to help yourself.
Speaker 9: And that's been a huge blessing for me too, you know,
Speaker 9: to find somebody it's like also, it's like finding an
Speaker 9: honest mechanic, you know, a mechanic that'll tell you the
Speaker 9: truth of what's going on, instead of you know, trying
Speaker 9: to get a bigger paycheck by you know, creating a
Speaker 9: problem in your mind, telling you that this is the problem,
Speaker 9: when in all actuality you there could be smaller fixes
Speaker 9: or smaller, simpler things that you could do to actually.
Speaker 7: Make your vehicle run better.
Speaker 9: But yet you know, they want to make a profit,
Speaker 9: so they'll tell you it's this and this along with that.
Speaker 9: So you know, when you find a when you find
Speaker 9: a person who handles things in a natural form, it's very.
Speaker 7: Inspiring and refreshing. And I understand too that.
Speaker 9: As human beings, none of us, not one of us,
Speaker 9: has made the same even though we're all.
Speaker 6: That's right, it's a great point.
Speaker 9: Well, you know, we're we're we're men and women and
Speaker 9: we can you know, we have certain functions and whatever.
Speaker 7: But what works for me doesn't work for a lot
Speaker 7: of other people. And what works for other people may
Speaker 7: not work for me.
Speaker 9: So it's one of those things where you are you
Speaker 9: have to hear that information try it for yourself. Usually
Speaker 9: what I do when it comes to supplements and herbs
Speaker 9: and vitamins and things is I find out if something
Speaker 9: has a toxicity level or if there is a caution
Speaker 9: on if something could be dangerous if taken in higher quantities,
Speaker 9: and then if there is, then usually I kind of
Speaker 9: talk to a doctor, ask a nurse or somebody who
Speaker 9: has medical information and ask them, hey, what are what
Speaker 9: are the dangers of using this vitamin or this supplement,
Speaker 9: and and then you know, I kind of take their
Speaker 9: caution with, you know, quantities and stuff like that.
Speaker 7: It's also interesting to know how absorption is such.
Speaker 9: An incredible part of healing. There's so much food out there,
Speaker 9: but the fact that our bodies can't absorb the good
Speaker 9: out of it is.
Speaker 7: A frustrating part. And that was something we had to
Speaker 7: learn with one of our daughters who had a health condition.
Speaker 9: She had cystic fibrosis, and that was one of the
Speaker 9: big things was we were trying to find the best
Speaker 9: way to help her absorb her nutrients so that she
Speaker 9: could then assimilate it and have it go into her
Speaker 9: body and heal her and get her stronger. Hearing different
Speaker 9: doctors talking about, you know, trying to eat foods in
Speaker 9: a manner in a way that your body can actually
Speaker 9: break down and absorb and take in and you can
Speaker 9: get the nutrients that you need is a really important
Speaker 9: part of you know, diet and understanding how to get
Speaker 9: on a better path for better healing, you know.
Speaker 5: And one thing that you said that I wanted to
Speaker 5: kind of echo was you had mentioned the over the
Speaker 5: counter and acids and something that kind of goes under
Speaker 5: the radar because of the time frame between January and
Speaker 5: I think April of twenty twenty, there was a huge
Speaker 5: recall of xantac and those type of drugs because of
Speaker 5: what was inside it, which is I know, I'm going
Speaker 5: to say this wrong. I think it's pronounced renitted dean.
Speaker 5: And it turns out, oh that causes cancer. Like everything else,
Speaker 5: whether it's talcumpowder, all this stuff that comes out these
Speaker 5: miracle drugs, people eat them up and then oh, by
Speaker 5: the way, there's a recall and hey, this causes cancer.
Speaker 5: So yeah, again, it's just you got to be very
Speaker 5: careful what you put inside your body, whether you're drinking
Speaker 5: it or you're eating it, or you know the jabadabadoo.
Speaker 6: So with that being said, I am out of time. Unfortunately.
Speaker 5: I hope we can revisit this again later this fall,
Speaker 5: because there's certainly a lot more we can talk about, but.
Speaker 6: I do have to run.
Speaker 5: I'd love to give you each an opportunity with any
Speaker 5: closing thoughts go ahead.
Speaker 7: Closing thoughts, well, I would say, start.
Speaker 8: Small, change things well, and that's the other thing.
Speaker 1: So we've worked on changing to where we'll have one
Speaker 1: of those osmosis filters water filters. We definitely read the
Speaker 1: ingredients on the food that we take. We tried our
Speaker 1: garden this year, but it didn't happen, so we're gonna try.
Speaker 7: Again next year.
Speaker 13: It's just all start small and just finding ways to
Speaker 13: minimize minimize chemicals going in your body. Both of us,
Speaker 13: neither one of us got the jaba dad to do
Speaker 13: as you put.
Speaker 1: It, and it's just like if you don't have to
Speaker 1: go to the doctors, find a natural way of doing something,
Speaker 1: do that.
Speaker 8: It works for us and.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm almost fifty, they'll be fifty soon. But our
Speaker 1: health has been a lot better since we started doing things.
Speaker 8: A natural way.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, breathing fresh air as much as possible,
Speaker 1: going on walks, grounding, just doing things that maybe you
Speaker 1: didn't think about it, but you hear about it, try it,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 9: For me, I guess one of the big things that
Speaker 9: I'm having to learn to do is there's so much
Speaker 9: information coming at you all the time whenever you start
Speaker 9: researching things.
Speaker 7: One big thing for me is take take action. Learn
Speaker 7: to take action.
Speaker 9: So if you find out something's better for you, then
Speaker 9: learn to take action. Also, you know, don't be irrational
Speaker 9: and be like, oh my god. You know, I knew
Speaker 9: that water is important for me, but my wife used
Speaker 9: to buy a lot of water bottled water. So we researched.
Speaker 9: We searched and found a good company.
Speaker 7: That creates a good filtering system.
Speaker 9: Mainly our concern was getting fluoride out of the water
Speaker 9: and other basic contaminants that standard American tap water has,
Speaker 9: and so we found a really good filteration system that that's.
Speaker 7: The fluoride out.
Speaker 9: So we took a step to install that under our sink,
Speaker 9: and now we have fresh, clean water that doesn't have fluoride,
Speaker 9: and we stopped using toothpaste with fluoride.
Speaker 7: We start up.
Speaker 9: Using any kind of dental care with fluoride, and we
Speaker 9: have both noticed a very big difference in not having
Speaker 9: brain fog. I honestly feel that fluoride was a major
Speaker 9: aspect of that. Just kind of, like I explained, brain fog,
Speaker 9: kind of feeling like you just don't have much of
Speaker 9: an inspiration or drive and stuff. You just kind of
Speaker 9: have this fogginess in your mind. So we took steps
Speaker 9: to kind of change that. So when you learned something
Speaker 9: new or something different, try it out and just kind
Speaker 9: of see how it works. You know, we found out
Speaker 9: about so we take time now to spend time outside
Speaker 9: and just you know, be barefoot and you know, enjoy nature.
Speaker 9: But I think that's an important part that if you're
Speaker 9: learning new things or new methods or new ways of
Speaker 9: doing things, then give it a try. Try, try it,
Speaker 9: and see how it works for you. We found out
Speaker 9: about a more wholesome natural way of making laundry soap.
Speaker 8: I learned it from your wife.
Speaker 9: So we try that out, and our laundry smells better,
Speaker 9: feels fresher.
Speaker 7: So much nicer. So we're taking steps little by little
Speaker 7: that if you find something out or learn something, you know,
Speaker 7: give it a try. See see how it works for you.
Speaker 9: I think that's an important takeaway for me, is step
Speaker 9: out and try new things, and we get so stuck
Speaker 9: sometimes in a routine of doing things.
Speaker 7: You know, I loved coffee. I still do.
Speaker 9: I love the smell of it, taste, everything, But I
Speaker 9: found out recently that my body just can't handle it anymore.
Speaker 9: There's something in coffee that I just can't I can't do.
Speaker 9: It flares up stomach acid and it just causes a
Speaker 9: lot of I don't know, a lot of issues. So
Speaker 9: I had to really take into consideration not drinking coffee
Speaker 9: and trying other natural things that can help me with
Speaker 9: you know, energy and mood and.
Speaker 7: Stuff, other teas and other different stuff. So, you know, sometimes.
Speaker 9: Sometimes looking at your life and kind of evaluating, well,
Speaker 9: what's not working and what is working and what can
Speaker 9: I do, and then start making changes and those things,
Speaker 9: you know what I mean. Like you asked me a
Speaker 9: few years ago, would I ever give up coffee? I'd
Speaker 9: be like, hell no, I love coffee. But I had
Speaker 9: to come down to the realization that there are just
Speaker 9: certain things that don't work well for me. You know,
Speaker 9: I just need to be more careful and more mindful
Speaker 9: of what I put in my body and as much
Speaker 9: as it's can be so addicting, and I just it's
Speaker 9: I love the flavor and it's just a fun thing
Speaker 9: to make. You know, I love making coffee, but it's
Speaker 9: I have to realize I can't do it anymore because
Speaker 9: it doesn't help me, it doesn't strengthen me.
Speaker 7: I don't feel good when I drink it. So, you know,
Speaker 7: we all have to.
Speaker 9: Kind of figure out what our limitations are and what
Speaker 9: things our body reacts well to, and you know, learning
Speaker 9: how to make those habits, those changes to try new
Speaker 9: things and try different things.
Speaker 5: So one way well said, and to caveat of what
Speaker 5: you said, is with being patient and anything you try
Speaker 5: something new, you don't hit a home run the first time.
Speaker 5: Be patient, get back on the horse and try it.
Speaker 5: And we talked about fluoride and how you changed with that.
Speaker 5: Remember that fluoride is this byproduct, this unwanted byproduct of aluminum.
Speaker 5: So also with that being said, be cognizant with aluminums
Speaker 5: as well, and most your antipersper instant. If you turn
Speaker 5: it on the side and look, you're going to see
Speaker 5: aluminum and you're putting that in the second most absorbent
Speaker 5: part of your body, and of course skin is your
Speaker 5: biggest organ. So there's just so Like you said, there's
Speaker 5: so much coming at you. You have to be like
Speaker 5: Captain America, hold a shield up to defend you from
Speaker 5: all the bs that's being thrown at us. But you
Speaker 5: know you can only do so much and do what's
Speaker 5: best for you and your family and pray that we
Speaker 5: make the right decisions. So with that being said, I
Speaker 5: am out of time. I can't thank you both enough.
Speaker 6: Tim and Maya.
Speaker 5: I'd love to have you on back down the road
Speaker 5: again because there's so much more to discuss. This has
Speaker 5: been an amazing podcast and I can't thank you enough
Speaker 5: for your time.
Speaker 7: Thank you for having us.
Speaker 5: Thank you absolutely, and again thank you to all the listeners.
Speaker 5: Stop by the website the Flatterthfiles dot com and again,
Speaker 5: if you'd like to join the podcast, like Tim and
Speaker 5: Maya did today, it is f E Files guest at
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Speaker 5: God bless you all.
Speaker 6: Have a wonderful week and we will see you.
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