WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.800 --> 00:00:05.120 The following presentation is a Al Marvis Studio's production. 2 00:00:23.120 --> 00:00:29.600 When you look on the sky, do you feel the 3 00:00:29.760 --> 00:00:39.640 poll question? Why the stories told and left behind in 4 00:00:39.920 --> 00:00:43.240 shadows where the truth we find? 5 00:00:45.039 --> 00:00:47.320 They built their tails on. 6 00:00:47.719 --> 00:00:53.119 Grafts and lines on theories they stake their. 7 00:00:52.799 --> 00:00:59.240 Designed Welcome back truth seekers from around the world. It's 8 00:00:59.320 --> 00:01:02.399 time for an other edition of the Flat Earth Files. 9 00:01:03.079 --> 00:01:06.560 As we record on this Friday, September sixth, twenty twenty four. 10 00:01:06.640 --> 00:01:10.480 I hope everybody had a great week as we continue 11 00:01:10.519 --> 00:01:15.079 to navigate our way through this crazy world where we're 12 00:01:15.159 --> 00:01:17.200 less than sixty days from the election. Should be an 13 00:01:17.239 --> 00:01:19.840 interesting couple of months, but it's kind of par for 14 00:01:19.879 --> 00:01:22.519 the course these days. We have a couple guests standing by. 15 00:01:23.040 --> 00:01:25.599 We'll get to them in just a moment. Don't forget 16 00:01:25.640 --> 00:01:28.840 these podcasts now are put on the website in the 17 00:01:28.840 --> 00:01:30.599 form of a blog post, and all the notes that 18 00:01:30.640 --> 00:01:33.519 we take and videos that we may reference will be 19 00:01:33.560 --> 00:01:35.159 there as well, so check it out as well as 20 00:01:35.200 --> 00:01:38.680 the forum. It is the flat Earthfiles dot com. Again, 21 00:01:38.719 --> 00:01:42.560 it's the flat Earthfiles dot com. And if you would 22 00:01:42.599 --> 00:01:45.480 like to be a guest, like Tim and Maya are today, 23 00:01:45.560 --> 00:01:49.799 please send us the email it's fe filesguest at gmail 24 00:01:49.840 --> 00:01:54.000 dot com. Again, that's f E filesguest at gmail dot com. 25 00:01:54.239 --> 00:01:56.920 The email address will be both in the show notes 26 00:01:56.959 --> 00:02:00.359 on your podcast. You know, Tim and Maya and myself, 27 00:02:00.400 --> 00:02:03.680 we were talking before the podcast before we hit record, 28 00:02:03.840 --> 00:02:07.480 and it's just funny we met them. They came out 29 00:02:07.480 --> 00:02:10.439 to the show in Oklahoma City on April nineteenth, and 30 00:02:10.840 --> 00:02:12.919 it feels like just a few weeks ago, but it's 31 00:02:12.919 --> 00:02:16.560 almost been six months ago. And I'll always remember the 32 00:02:16.599 --> 00:02:18.719 fact that they drove I think four and a half 33 00:02:18.800 --> 00:02:24.400 hours to Oklahoma City for that day, and I'm very fond, 34 00:02:24.560 --> 00:02:29.319 very fond memories of both Oklahoma City and the Waco events. 35 00:02:29.800 --> 00:02:31.319 And they're here with us now. 36 00:02:31.439 --> 00:02:31.680 Live. 37 00:02:31.800 --> 00:02:35.439 Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome Tim and Maya, and again, 38 00:02:35.520 --> 00:02:37.759 thank you guys for joining us today on the program. 39 00:02:37.759 --> 00:02:38.520 It's great to see you. 40 00:02:40.919 --> 00:02:42.000 Thanks for having us song. 41 00:02:42.360 --> 00:02:45.000 We're just happy, happy to hang. 42 00:02:44.840 --> 00:02:47.199 Out, just. 43 00:02:48.719 --> 00:02:49.439 Share a story. 44 00:02:49.960 --> 00:02:51.360 Well again, we appreciate it. 45 00:02:51.400 --> 00:02:53.439 And I guess the right way to kick off is 46 00:02:53.479 --> 00:02:56.879 to go ahead and introduce yourself as little or as 47 00:02:56.960 --> 00:03:00.159 much as you like, background about yourself and how you 48 00:03:00.199 --> 00:03:02.560 kind of navigated your way to where we are today. 49 00:03:04.120 --> 00:03:04.560 All right. 50 00:03:06.560 --> 00:03:13.000 My name is Tim and I was born in Costa 51 00:03:13.039 --> 00:03:18.520 Rica and grew up in Latin America for sixteen years. 52 00:03:19.520 --> 00:03:27.439 My parents were missionaries, and I spent time in Honduras 53 00:03:28.360 --> 00:03:36.360 and Mexico and traveling through Central America and learned Spanish 54 00:03:36.439 --> 00:03:42.159 first because of being in Latin America, and then my 55 00:03:42.319 --> 00:03:46.759 dad was an English teacher down there. Aside from being 56 00:03:46.960 --> 00:03:52.120 a missionary, he also taught English, and so I learned 57 00:03:53.280 --> 00:03:57.199 Spanish locally and then English from him, and he was 58 00:03:57.240 --> 00:04:09.360 our teacher. We were homeschooled. I met Maya at a 59 00:04:09.360 --> 00:04:16.439 youth camp in San Antonio, Texas. It was in ninety six, 60 00:04:18.639 --> 00:04:21.360 early ninety six, and found out that she had a 61 00:04:21.439 --> 00:04:27.480 very similar life story. She grew up as a missionary 62 00:04:27.800 --> 00:04:31.759 with her parents in foreign countries as well, although she 63 00:04:31.920 --> 00:04:34.519 was on the opposite side of the world most of 64 00:04:34.560 --> 00:04:40.920 the time. So we met in San Antonio, and we 65 00:04:41.000 --> 00:04:44.000 both had a lot of things in common, being that 66 00:04:44.120 --> 00:04:49.680 we were children of missionaries, and we both had the 67 00:04:49.720 --> 00:04:53.519 same passions of serving the Lord and preaching the Gospel, 68 00:04:53.560 --> 00:04:59.240 and as well as we had common things growing up overseas, 69 00:04:59.319 --> 00:05:04.839 learning of the languages, living in other cultures, and then 70 00:05:04.920 --> 00:05:08.680 coming back to the United States after some time and 71 00:05:10.279 --> 00:05:14.120 learning about America and a lot of the different You 72 00:05:14.160 --> 00:05:16.759 see a different perspective when you grow up outside of 73 00:05:16.800 --> 00:05:19.759 the US, and then when you come back you kind 74 00:05:19.759 --> 00:05:22.319 of see things in a different light. 75 00:05:24.319 --> 00:05:25.000 But that was. 76 00:05:26.879 --> 00:05:31.680 That was, you know, the common things that we had 77 00:05:31.720 --> 00:05:33.519 that kind of drew us together was. 78 00:05:36.199 --> 00:05:37.480 Our similar upbringings. 79 00:05:37.519 --> 00:05:41.040 I guess what were the what were the positives and 80 00:05:41.079 --> 00:05:42.839 what would you say some of the I don't want 81 00:05:42.879 --> 00:05:47.360 to say negatives, but maybe some of the the trials 82 00:05:47.399 --> 00:05:49.959 that that you may have run against growing up as 83 00:05:49.959 --> 00:05:53.120 the son of a missionary, and of course probably being 84 00:05:53.160 --> 00:05:54.879 a part of the missionary and spreading the word of 85 00:05:54.959 --> 00:05:59.959 Christ in these Costa Rica and or Maya. 86 00:05:59.839 --> 00:06:01.519 Where were you in Asia? 87 00:06:03.000 --> 00:06:04.439 I was in Asia. 88 00:06:05.319 --> 00:06:10.160 I was in Asia for a while, and I was 89 00:06:10.199 --> 00:06:17.839 in Peru, Europe, Switzerland, Italy for the earlier part of 90 00:06:17.879 --> 00:06:20.879 my eighteen years. 91 00:06:21.759 --> 00:06:24.639 But a lot of it was the language barrier to 92 00:06:24.759 --> 00:06:25.240 start with. 93 00:06:26.360 --> 00:06:32.800 But we had tutors that taught us the language, especially 94 00:06:32.800 --> 00:06:40.319 in Japan. We learned from the children of the Spanish 95 00:06:40.439 --> 00:06:43.879 kids and when we played with them and stuff like that. 96 00:06:44.000 --> 00:06:48.879 But for the most part, in the earlier part of 97 00:06:48.920 --> 00:06:54.720 our years and being up there with our parents. In 98 00:06:54.759 --> 00:06:59.319 my parents' situation is my dad was a well, he 99 00:06:59.399 --> 00:07:01.199 was a minister, so he did a lot of in 100 00:07:01.360 --> 00:07:06.519 home Bible studies and we would go and we you know, 101 00:07:06.920 --> 00:07:11.240 we he played guitar, so we you know, sing and 102 00:07:11.279 --> 00:07:14.839 you know, singing gospel hymns and English and Spanish, and 103 00:07:15.439 --> 00:07:18.199 you know, we learned them in Japanese. And then we 104 00:07:18.360 --> 00:07:22.920 do like Christmas shows in Japan, and we did a lot. 105 00:07:22.800 --> 00:07:25.800 Of like for the Buddhist. 106 00:07:26.920 --> 00:07:32.360 Orphanages, we did different programs in there for the Buddhist orphanages, 107 00:07:32.480 --> 00:07:36.800 and so a lot of it was just administering and 108 00:07:37.000 --> 00:07:39.360 spreading the Lord's word, you know, through. 109 00:07:41.000 --> 00:07:42.600 Song, a lot of it. 110 00:07:43.160 --> 00:07:47.000 For myself and Tim's dad, I guess did a lot 111 00:07:47.040 --> 00:07:50.279 of Bible studies as well through his. 112 00:07:52.959 --> 00:07:53.839 Much time there too. 113 00:07:53.920 --> 00:07:57.800 So we did in Mexico for a while there in 114 00:07:57.839 --> 00:08:04.360 the late nineties, no early it was late eighties, early nineties, 115 00:08:04.399 --> 00:08:08.839 my dad had a puppet ministry in Mexico and we 116 00:08:08.879 --> 00:08:15.600 would go to old folks homes, orphanages, different centers, and 117 00:08:17.839 --> 00:08:20.600 we would have these little songs that the puppets would sing, 118 00:08:21.000 --> 00:08:22.639 a little show that they would do, and then at 119 00:08:22.639 --> 00:08:26.720 the end they would pray with everybody and ask everybody 120 00:08:26.759 --> 00:08:29.519 to receive Jesus into their hearts. So that was really 121 00:08:29.600 --> 00:08:30.439 cool part. 122 00:08:30.879 --> 00:08:35.080 Seeing that. 123 00:08:34.799 --> 00:08:41.360 We also had other ministries with humanitarian aid helping to 124 00:08:41.919 --> 00:08:45.279 donate stuff. Different sponsors would give things and then we 125 00:08:45.320 --> 00:08:48.799 would go and drop it off at locations where people 126 00:08:48.879 --> 00:08:52.120 needed food or clothing or materials. 127 00:08:53.559 --> 00:08:56.080 It helps people be more receptive when they get their 128 00:08:56.080 --> 00:08:57.519 physical needs met. 129 00:08:58.399 --> 00:09:01.519 And then you can actually, you know, they're more receptive 130 00:09:01.559 --> 00:09:03.679 to want to hear the gospel a little bit more 131 00:09:03.759 --> 00:09:05.679 once they're a little bit more comfortable and you can 132 00:09:05.720 --> 00:09:06.399 take care of them. 133 00:09:06.480 --> 00:09:10.879 So that was always nice to see their smiles. 134 00:09:10.919 --> 00:09:15.200 And but you were asking earlier what were some of 135 00:09:15.240 --> 00:09:20.480 the interesting aspects of being overseas is that when you're 136 00:09:20.519 --> 00:09:25.039 in foreign countries, if all you ever see is just 137 00:09:25.080 --> 00:09:28.559 the touristic side of it, that's the side of the 138 00:09:28.600 --> 00:09:29.440 country that. 139 00:09:31.039 --> 00:09:35.240 You know, the country's trying to portray. When you live there. 140 00:09:35.120 --> 00:09:38.840 Amongst the people, they'll a lot of times tell you 141 00:09:38.840 --> 00:09:44.039 more hidden stories and hidden facts of how things went 142 00:09:44.320 --> 00:09:46.759 or personal stuff. 143 00:09:47.000 --> 00:09:48.600 You know, they would talk more to you. 144 00:09:51.559 --> 00:09:57.399 About just local stuff that's been going on, because you 145 00:09:57.480 --> 00:09:59.919 know how it is in the media. The media will 146 00:10:00.080 --> 00:10:03.159 cover one thing, but there's a lot of times more 147 00:10:03.200 --> 00:10:07.320 truths in the story absolute and so when when you're 148 00:10:07.360 --> 00:10:09.919 actually there, you can kind of get more of a 149 00:10:09.960 --> 00:10:12.200 feel of what really. 150 00:10:12.039 --> 00:10:15.000 Was going on, how things are, what the locals are like. 151 00:10:17.240 --> 00:10:20.879 We got to see a lot of the beautiful landscapes 152 00:10:20.919 --> 00:10:24.000 of the countries that we were in. It was beautiful 153 00:10:24.000 --> 00:10:26.919 to see a lot of I know, down in Honduras 154 00:10:26.960 --> 00:10:33.840 there was a lot of rainforests and waterfalls, natural parks, 155 00:10:34.279 --> 00:10:39.080 the Mayan, the Mayan ruins that we got to go 156 00:10:39.200 --> 00:10:44.200 see a lot of different cool stuff like that. You 157 00:10:44.279 --> 00:10:47.519 also get to see a lot of the cultural stuff. 158 00:10:48.679 --> 00:10:53.559 Honduras was really big on their art with wood carving. 159 00:10:54.519 --> 00:10:57.600 They would adorn a lot of their buildings with beautiful artwork, 160 00:10:57.720 --> 00:11:02.399 their doors. I remember a lot of that. I remember 161 00:11:02.639 --> 00:11:06.679 a lot of leatherwork, just beautiful artistic things like that. 162 00:11:08.559 --> 00:11:11.000 I was pretty young when I was in hunder Us. 163 00:11:11.519 --> 00:11:13.639 I was a little bit older in Mexico, I remember 164 00:11:13.679 --> 00:11:18.559 a little bit more of that. But yeah, that was 165 00:11:18.639 --> 00:11:21.120 the part that stood out to me looking back, is 166 00:11:23.279 --> 00:11:26.879 when you live in those countries kind of more with 167 00:11:26.879 --> 00:11:29.440 with the people, you kind of get more of a 168 00:11:29.480 --> 00:11:34.120 feel of what the country's like and their culture, their background, 169 00:11:34.200 --> 00:11:37.279 their language kind of helps you understand. 170 00:11:36.799 --> 00:11:37.360 A lot more. 171 00:11:38.039 --> 00:11:40.279 Yeah, and that is something that stands out. I guess 172 00:11:40.279 --> 00:11:43.480 this is for both of you. You would actually be 173 00:11:43.679 --> 00:11:46.919 living within the villages. It's not like, well, maybe you know, 174 00:11:46.960 --> 00:11:48.480 you weren't in a hotel in the city and then 175 00:11:48.480 --> 00:11:52.840 you'd come out during the day, and I imagine even 176 00:11:52.879 --> 00:11:55.759 in some cases maybe you were living in austere environments. 177 00:11:56.639 --> 00:11:58.679 What was that like for you as a young person 178 00:11:59.080 --> 00:12:01.679 living in in these environments like that. 179 00:12:05.759 --> 00:12:10.080 Yeah, it was very interesting because you know, like you said, 180 00:12:10.600 --> 00:12:13.279 some days we would have water and some days we didn't. 181 00:12:14.360 --> 00:12:17.120 Just all depended on what was going on in the 182 00:12:17.360 --> 00:12:18.759 local village, local town. 183 00:12:18.799 --> 00:12:19.600 There was a lot of. 184 00:12:21.480 --> 00:12:23.320 I know, in Central America there was a lot of 185 00:12:23.320 --> 00:12:27.559 issues with gorillas and the rebels and stuff because there 186 00:12:27.600 --> 00:12:30.360 was a lot of civil unrest in El Salvador, Nicaragua 187 00:12:31.240 --> 00:12:34.919 in the eighties, and they would target the utilities from 188 00:12:35.000 --> 00:12:38.080 time to time and cause issues, and so we had 189 00:12:38.120 --> 00:12:43.720 to learn to make do sometimes with very little, but 190 00:12:45.039 --> 00:12:47.919 you know, we always made it through. We were always 191 00:12:48.120 --> 00:12:52.559 fine and safe. You know, if there was any danger, 192 00:12:52.600 --> 00:12:56.240 people would usually warn us in advance, and we would move. 193 00:12:56.080 --> 00:12:58.480 Or get out before anything got really rough. 194 00:12:58.639 --> 00:13:02.440 But you know, we we lived a lot of times 195 00:13:02.519 --> 00:13:11.519 like the people with you know, minimal, minimal stuff. It 196 00:13:11.600 --> 00:13:14.600 was very different. I remember the first time I came 197 00:13:14.679 --> 00:13:18.879 up to the United States. Our grandparents brought us up 198 00:13:18.919 --> 00:13:24.799 for a Christmas and it was just a huge eye 199 00:13:24.840 --> 00:13:30.279 opener for me to see how capitalistic America was compared 200 00:13:30.320 --> 00:13:31.559 to other countries. 201 00:13:33.399 --> 00:13:34.840 The first time I walked. 202 00:13:34.519 --> 00:13:38.240 Into a big department store or saw a mall, I 203 00:13:38.279 --> 00:13:41.519 was like, oh my gosh. I couldn't believe how big 204 00:13:41.639 --> 00:13:44.360 these buildings were and all the stuff that they sold, 205 00:13:44.360 --> 00:13:47.320 because I was usually used to in Latin America a 206 00:13:47.399 --> 00:13:50.600 lot of times they had like one building that kind 207 00:13:50.639 --> 00:13:54.519 of had you know, a shop or a you know, 208 00:13:54.519 --> 00:13:56.600 a hardware store or a grocery store. 209 00:13:56.720 --> 00:13:58.480 They're usually mom and pop owned. 210 00:13:58.519 --> 00:14:03.000 They weren't a big giant corporation or a big, you know, 211 00:14:03.240 --> 00:14:03.960 chain store. 212 00:14:04.840 --> 00:14:07.480 In the bigger cities, they did have malls, but they 213 00:14:07.480 --> 00:14:08.879 were simpler malls. 214 00:14:10.200 --> 00:14:13.360 They weren't quite as huge as the ones in America. 215 00:14:16.840 --> 00:14:20.080 I was used to, more like small businesses and you know, 216 00:14:20.200 --> 00:14:26.759 privately owned small shops and stuff. But they did a 217 00:14:26.799 --> 00:14:31.759 lot of things differently. In the sense that over there, 218 00:14:32.559 --> 00:14:36.000 I remember, you know, if your shoes ever got warned 219 00:14:36.159 --> 00:14:39.559 real bad and had any kind of damage or whatever, 220 00:14:39.679 --> 00:14:42.799 there was guys that would go around and offer to fix. 221 00:14:42.600 --> 00:14:46.360 Them for a fraction, you know, they would. 222 00:14:46.440 --> 00:14:49.799 They would fix different stuff and polish them and clean 223 00:14:49.840 --> 00:14:50.840 them and fix them up. 224 00:14:50.879 --> 00:14:53.840 And a lot of people were that way down there. 225 00:14:53.919 --> 00:14:56.919 They would instead of just throwing stuff away, they would 226 00:14:57.399 --> 00:14:59.840 try to find a way to either recycle or reuse 227 00:14:59.879 --> 00:15:03.120 it it or fix it, repair it. You got a 228 00:15:03.120 --> 00:15:06.120 lot of people that would offer to repair things for you, 229 00:15:06.840 --> 00:15:11.000 fix stuff up, whereas here it seems like it's cheaper 230 00:15:11.080 --> 00:15:15.080 in most cases to just buy something new and throw 231 00:15:15.159 --> 00:15:16.960 the old one away instead of trying to clean it 232 00:15:17.039 --> 00:15:19.080 up or fix it or reuse it or you know. 233 00:15:20.399 --> 00:15:24.279 But just learning to live in a simple manner for 234 00:15:24.320 --> 00:15:27.080 the most part, was a big aspect down there. 235 00:15:29.639 --> 00:15:34.000 But everywhere we lived was for me that I remember. 236 00:15:34.759 --> 00:15:38.440 I'm not sure about Maya, but everywhere I lived, it 237 00:15:38.480 --> 00:15:40.519 seems like all the homes that we lived in or 238 00:15:40.679 --> 00:15:43.799 places that we stayed at, there was always lots of 239 00:15:44.320 --> 00:15:48.200 fruit growing or fruit trees or nut trees growing in 240 00:15:48.240 --> 00:15:49.399 the properties. 241 00:15:48.879 --> 00:15:49.559 That we were at. 242 00:15:50.559 --> 00:15:56.159 So I got spoiled with being able to have fresh coconuts, 243 00:15:56.279 --> 00:16:03.240 fresh mangoes and cashew fruit, the guavas, avocados, all kinds 244 00:16:03.240 --> 00:16:07.320 of things like that. And that was a big change 245 00:16:07.320 --> 00:16:10.600 for me coming to the States because it's like everybody 246 00:16:10.639 --> 00:16:15.519 has these like manicured nice yards of the big you know, bond, 247 00:16:15.759 --> 00:16:17.399 but I'm like, where is the fruit. 248 00:16:17.519 --> 00:16:20.639 There's no there's no trees with food. 249 00:16:21.799 --> 00:16:23.600 Yeah, that's that's a big difference. 250 00:16:23.639 --> 00:16:26.399 And the other you were talking about the malls I 251 00:16:26.440 --> 00:16:29.320 know in the Middle East and the Caribbean and central 252 00:16:29.320 --> 00:16:32.000 parts of Central America. I've been to uh the open 253 00:16:32.120 --> 00:16:34.919 air bizarre like the open air markets, you know that 254 00:16:34.919 --> 00:16:38.399 that was common even in Hungary. We would go down 255 00:16:38.440 --> 00:16:42.039 to caps Far or down into uh. I forget the 256 00:16:42.120 --> 00:16:44.080 name of the other town, Page I think it was called. 257 00:16:44.559 --> 00:16:47.480 And that's it was just people with tables and you know, 258 00:16:47.600 --> 00:16:51.759 overhead tentage and everything comes sneakers to t shirts. 259 00:16:52.120 --> 00:16:53.000 That was the mall. 260 00:16:53.960 --> 00:16:54.480 Yeah. 261 00:16:54.600 --> 00:16:59.879 And in Mexico they call them tyangees and the little 262 00:17:00.159 --> 00:17:04.160 the little market square. We actually had once a week 263 00:17:04.240 --> 00:17:07.279 they would set up right our street in one of 264 00:17:07.279 --> 00:17:10.759 the towns that we lived in in Leone, the street 265 00:17:10.839 --> 00:17:13.119 right in front of our house happened to be one 266 00:17:13.200 --> 00:17:16.359 of the main entrance areas to one of those markets. 267 00:17:15.960 --> 00:17:17.359 That would set up once a week. 268 00:17:17.799 --> 00:17:22.000 So yeah, we got very familiar with that whole environment 269 00:17:22.119 --> 00:17:25.240 of you know, it's kind of like a big garag cell. 270 00:17:26.759 --> 00:17:32.000 You'll find new and used in all kinds of different stuff, plants, fresh, 271 00:17:32.200 --> 00:17:38.039 fresh meats, and you know, you can also get clothes, pets, 272 00:17:38.039 --> 00:17:39.160 all of different stuff. 273 00:17:39.200 --> 00:17:41.359 People set up with a lot of different things. 274 00:17:41.400 --> 00:17:46.680 But yeah, how was that for you? Maya well? 275 00:17:46.759 --> 00:17:48.640 Being well? 276 00:17:48.680 --> 00:17:53.359 In South America? I was really young. I was seven 277 00:17:53.480 --> 00:17:56.200 years old when I was in Peru. I don't remember 278 00:17:56.200 --> 00:18:02.240 a whole lot because Peru was pretty rough, hearing stories 279 00:18:02.240 --> 00:18:07.960 of you know, people laying down logs to stop bypassers, 280 00:18:08.000 --> 00:18:09.680 you know, people driving. 281 00:18:09.359 --> 00:18:11.279 By and robbed them and stuff like that. 282 00:18:11.400 --> 00:18:16.400 So I don't remember a whole lot about the earlier 283 00:18:16.440 --> 00:18:18.400 part of my life other than. 284 00:18:20.160 --> 00:18:23.480 From like eight years old, we started moving to like 285 00:18:24.000 --> 00:18:26.240 more western Europe. We moved to. 286 00:18:28.000 --> 00:18:30.279 Well, I lived in South America as a kid. That's 287 00:18:30.319 --> 00:18:33.839 where my early eighties that was. 288 00:18:35.079 --> 00:18:37.599 Yeah. My brother, I have a brother born in eighty one. 289 00:18:37.759 --> 00:18:41.519 He was in Lima, Lima, Peru, and then my other 290 00:18:41.599 --> 00:18:45.319 sister was well, I guess I do remember eighty four 291 00:18:45.400 --> 00:18:47.640 my other sister was born, and that's where we lived 292 00:18:47.640 --> 00:18:54.480 in Bala Paddies, so Chile, and they had a lot 293 00:18:54.480 --> 00:18:59.200 of earthquakes. I remember the earthquakes immensely, and then there 294 00:18:59.240 --> 00:19:03.039 was the floods and combination of all that. But then 295 00:19:03.599 --> 00:19:06.519 we moved to Japan. I remember a lot of you know, 296 00:19:06.720 --> 00:19:09.799 going out in the rice patties, you know, helping people 297 00:19:10.480 --> 00:19:15.920 plant their rice, you know, going through the marshes per 298 00:19:15.960 --> 00:19:18.759 se to help them plant stuff. And that's where we 299 00:19:18.759 --> 00:19:21.440 did a lot of our music ministry and stuff with. 300 00:19:21.519 --> 00:19:24.799 My dad, and then we learned. 301 00:19:24.799 --> 00:19:27.960 We were there for five years and that's where another 302 00:19:28.039 --> 00:19:31.240 brother of mine was born in Japan. And then we 303 00:19:31.279 --> 00:19:38.759 moved back to Europe for the most part in Italy, Naples, 304 00:19:39.039 --> 00:19:41.920 and then we moved to. 305 00:19:43.960 --> 00:19:48.559 Forget with that place, some mountain mountain. 306 00:19:48.319 --> 00:19:50.480 Village, and we're there for a while, and then we 307 00:19:50.599 --> 00:19:55.960 came back to the States. So I came back to 308 00:19:56.000 --> 00:20:01.319 the States when I was what almost eighteen, So yeah, 309 00:20:01.359 --> 00:20:05.319 I was about eighteen when we came back stateside. But 310 00:20:06.160 --> 00:20:09.680 a lot of that, you know, I remember the the 311 00:20:09.759 --> 00:20:14.799 major catastrophes between floods and having to wade through waters 312 00:20:14.880 --> 00:20:19.039 to get to safety, you know, the earthquakes and you know. 313 00:20:21.000 --> 00:20:24.839 Typhoons, you know, having to make our visa trips. 314 00:20:24.519 --> 00:20:29.640 From Japan to Korea going on the ferry boats and 315 00:20:30.240 --> 00:20:31.480 major storms on that. 316 00:20:31.799 --> 00:20:37.400 But yeah, that's interesting. 317 00:20:37.440 --> 00:20:39.559 And we say visa trips, that means like your six 318 00:20:39.599 --> 00:20:41.079 months was coming up, so you had to leave and 319 00:20:41.119 --> 00:20:41.680 come back out. 320 00:20:42.359 --> 00:20:48.880 Yeah, I gotcha, tracking there you go. 321 00:20:49.799 --> 00:20:52.720 Would you stay anywhere too long? You always had to 322 00:20:52.720 --> 00:20:54.880 be able to get up and travel and. 323 00:20:54.839 --> 00:20:59.240 Yep, go somewhere, So yeah, that's for sure. Would you 324 00:20:59.319 --> 00:20:59.880 say that. 325 00:21:02.599 --> 00:21:08.000 That upbringing contributed a lot to your understanding that how 326 00:21:08.039 --> 00:21:11.000 the world is portrayed to us through the television and 327 00:21:11.119 --> 00:21:14.960 our education system is much different. And I guess we 328 00:21:15.000 --> 00:21:19.559 can kind of transition into your I guess awakening stage. 329 00:21:19.599 --> 00:21:21.200 I guess the part two to that would be at 330 00:21:21.200 --> 00:21:24.599 what point did you start to realize that, you know. 331 00:21:24.759 --> 00:21:30.160 Yeah, things are not as they may seem. 332 00:21:30.440 --> 00:21:38.119 Yeah, So growing up outside in other countries, we saw 333 00:21:38.319 --> 00:21:42.599 one way of how things were explained or portrayed, and 334 00:21:42.640 --> 00:21:46.119 then when you start listening or you kind of see 335 00:21:46.160 --> 00:21:49.279 the other stories, you're like, wait a minute, I don't 336 00:21:49.319 --> 00:21:54.880 quite remember that so much. Politically, we learned more about 337 00:21:55.200 --> 00:21:58.359 the ongoings of how things were being run and you know, 338 00:21:58.440 --> 00:22:02.920 political aspects as we got older, our parents were you know, 339 00:22:03.240 --> 00:22:06.079 we would have conversations and they would remind us of, 340 00:22:06.839 --> 00:22:08.759 you know, what was going on at the time, who 341 00:22:08.799 --> 00:22:11.559 was in charge of what countries, and how things were 342 00:22:11.960 --> 00:22:12.319 you know. 343 00:22:12.319 --> 00:22:15.160 Developing, and what kind of stuff was going on. 344 00:22:17.440 --> 00:22:21.359 So yeah, growing up at a young age noticing the 345 00:22:21.400 --> 00:22:28.359 differences and differences and cultures, the differences and how the 346 00:22:28.519 --> 00:22:31.480 histories were being taught and told and. 347 00:22:33.240 --> 00:22:35.559 Kind of made us question a lot of stuff. 348 00:22:37.160 --> 00:22:42.160 I I myself, I didn't really know much about the 349 00:22:42.319 --> 00:22:44.000 how the US had, you. 350 00:22:43.960 --> 00:22:45.799 Know, the North and the South in the Civil War. 351 00:22:46.160 --> 00:22:49.319 I learned of it in school because we were homeschool 352 00:22:49.400 --> 00:22:51.799 so I learned of it, but I didn't understand like 353 00:22:51.920 --> 00:22:55.519 the depth of how it impacted the culture and how, 354 00:22:56.240 --> 00:23:02.359 you know, how people reacted North South and the different 355 00:23:02.519 --> 00:23:06.079 things politically that were going on. So for me, it 356 00:23:06.160 --> 00:23:08.559 was kind of different to come back and to kind 357 00:23:08.559 --> 00:23:09.640 of start to learn. 358 00:23:09.480 --> 00:23:12.079 More of you know, the different. 359 00:23:14.079 --> 00:23:18.240 I guess in the States, we have different accents and 360 00:23:18.240 --> 00:23:20.920 you got your Southern accents and of course, all across 361 00:23:20.960 --> 00:23:24.359 the South, you have different variations of the way that 362 00:23:24.440 --> 00:23:25.440 they say. 363 00:23:25.200 --> 00:23:29.640 Things and food, a lot of different things. 364 00:23:30.160 --> 00:23:36.079 But yeah, I mean the same. Like for me, I 365 00:23:36.200 --> 00:23:38.400 was also homeschooled by my mom. 366 00:23:39.359 --> 00:23:43.079 She was a kindergarten teacher before she met my dad, 367 00:23:43.759 --> 00:23:47.480 and so we had a lot of different I mean, 368 00:23:47.519 --> 00:23:51.920 we definitely learned about the globe, and we. 369 00:23:51.960 --> 00:23:54.000 Learned about the American history and. 370 00:23:53.960 --> 00:23:58.160 How Christopher Columbus did this and you know how, but 371 00:23:58.279 --> 00:23:59.240 she didn't know any better. 372 00:24:00.240 --> 00:24:02.319 And that's bottom line. 373 00:24:02.319 --> 00:24:05.039 It's like, Okay, there's a lot of things in that 374 00:24:05.119 --> 00:24:09.359 regards to where you learn about the country that you're in, 375 00:24:09.400 --> 00:24:13.079 which we learned about the South American culture, the European, 376 00:24:13.279 --> 00:24:16.680 the French, you know, because we had to learn the language. 377 00:24:16.839 --> 00:24:21.440 Also we didn't have to, but we did. 378 00:24:22.960 --> 00:24:23.599 But that's. 379 00:24:28.160 --> 00:24:31.440 But you know a lot of that is just they 380 00:24:31.839 --> 00:24:36.440 taught us about our homeland, which was the US. 381 00:24:37.880 --> 00:24:39.599 But you don't use it. If you don't use something 382 00:24:39.640 --> 00:24:41.599 all the time, then you. 383 00:24:40.960 --> 00:24:45.400 You know, use it or lose it, right. 384 00:24:43.640 --> 00:24:47.880 Right, So that's pretty much it on that aspect. 385 00:24:48.039 --> 00:24:50.839 But it's it's pretty interesting, Uh. 386 00:24:51.279 --> 00:24:53.519 I take notes during our conversation so I can put 387 00:24:53.519 --> 00:24:55.079 them in the show notes and I just put I 388 00:24:55.119 --> 00:24:56.799 opened a new tab and I just put in Chili 389 00:24:56.839 --> 00:24:59.680 earthquake And would you know that at six am this 390 00:24:59.720 --> 00:25:02.160 morning there was a five point seven earthquake in Vellain 391 00:25:02.279 --> 00:25:07.319 or Chili. Oh gosh, so I guess it is pretty common. 392 00:25:09.920 --> 00:25:11.960 When did you come on to the fact that maybe, 393 00:25:12.000 --> 00:25:14.200 just maybe we're not living on a ball. 394 00:25:14.559 --> 00:25:16.000 When did that enter the conversation? 395 00:25:22.640 --> 00:25:25.599 You were the one, Maya was the one that started 396 00:25:26.240 --> 00:25:31.960 listening to different podcasts, and that was last year, last. 397 00:25:31.759 --> 00:25:34.000 Year around April. 398 00:25:34.359 --> 00:25:37.519 So yeah, So all that to say, you know, my 399 00:25:37.680 --> 00:25:40.599 dad has always been into conspiracies. 400 00:25:41.319 --> 00:25:42.839 You know, he's always you know, the. 401 00:25:42.839 --> 00:25:46.119