WEBVTT 1 00:00:12.400 --> 00:00:16.199 Hey, y'all, Welcome to a special edition of Reughing Down here, 2 00:00:16.839 --> 00:00:21.320 looking back at the weekend preceding December sixteenth. I am Bart. 3 00:00:21.399 --> 00:00:24.640 I am host of the Soccer for US podcast here 4 00:00:25.160 --> 00:00:29.359 on the SDCH network. I also make regular appearances on 5 00:00:29.519 --> 00:00:33.640 the SDCH Morning Show on Mondays at ten am to 6 00:00:33.679 --> 00:00:37.759 talk about referee decisions and other US soccer news. Obviously 7 00:00:37.799 --> 00:00:39.920 that did not happen on this Monday, as we are 8 00:00:40.039 --> 00:00:43.920 kind of in the festive period for SDH and that 9 00:00:44.000 --> 00:00:46.320 means that there's a lot of moving parts that can't 10 00:00:46.479 --> 00:00:48.799 seem to come together and we do these kind of 11 00:00:48.799 --> 00:00:55.119 asynchronous recordings. On this particular segment, I'm going to look 12 00:00:55.159 --> 00:00:59.359 at three incidents from the past weekend. First, the Manchester 13 00:00:59.439 --> 00:01:05.000 Derby mass confrontation, the Reds seeing red against Fulham, and 14 00:01:05.040 --> 00:01:09.519 how the refs handled a College Cup semi final. Now, 15 00:01:09.680 --> 00:01:12.159 while I have you, let me ask you to follow 16 00:01:12.519 --> 00:01:16.319 my show on Twitter and Blue Sky at Soccer for 17 00:01:16.439 --> 00:01:20.079 US Pod. 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All right, let's get started first, 26 00:01:49.280 --> 00:01:54.200 a mass confrontation incident in the Manchester City Manchester United match, 27 00:01:54.319 --> 00:01:58.760 so this will cover laws twelve and five as we 28 00:01:58.799 --> 00:01:59.359 dig into it. 29 00:02:00.719 --> 00:02:02.319 On Sunday on the. 30 00:02:02.239 --> 00:02:07.079 Blue Side of Manchester, Manchester City and Manchester United had 31 00:02:07.079 --> 00:02:08.919 a coming together of sorts. 32 00:02:09.280 --> 00:02:10.319 In the thirty eighth. 33 00:02:10.159 --> 00:02:14.360 Minute, there was a long ball into the Manchester City 34 00:02:14.400 --> 00:02:19.599 defensive third. Kyle Walker goes to defendant and just runs 35 00:02:19.599 --> 00:02:24.240 into Rasmus Hoyland for Manchester United under cuts him very 36 00:02:24.680 --> 00:02:25.400 very carelessly. 37 00:02:26.000 --> 00:02:27.479 Anthony Taylor called. 38 00:02:27.240 --> 00:02:31.240 The foul, but that foul sparked a contentious series of 39 00:02:31.280 --> 00:02:36.840 events that we're going to talk about now. Walker fouls them, 40 00:02:37.000 --> 00:02:39.800 Taylor calls the foul points for the free kick, but 41 00:02:40.080 --> 00:02:45.360 Hoyland is upset, to say the least. This came basically 42 00:02:45.439 --> 00:02:49.840 right after, yeah, right after Manchester City scored to take 43 00:02:49.879 --> 00:02:52.000 the lead, so it's safe to say that there were 44 00:02:52.080 --> 00:02:57.159 some tensions rising for United, who have been, you know, 45 00:02:57.560 --> 00:03:00.520 on a decent reniform since the new co took over, 46 00:03:00.599 --> 00:03:03.080 but still scrapping for any points they can find in 47 00:03:03.120 --> 00:03:07.759 the league table. And Hoyland did not like this challenge 48 00:03:07.800 --> 00:03:10.800 on that Kyle Walker made on him, so he kind 49 00:03:10.800 --> 00:03:14.680 of walks over to Walker, puts his forehead against his 50 00:03:15.599 --> 00:03:20.360 and then Kyle Walker just falls down after that, a 51 00:03:20.479 --> 00:03:25.080 very clear flop, I will say. The two teams came 52 00:03:25.120 --> 00:03:28.319 together to exchange pleasantries and put some hands on each other, 53 00:03:29.280 --> 00:03:32.599 including andre Onnana who came up from his position in 54 00:03:32.680 --> 00:03:36.080 the Manchester United goal to I don't know, get involved 55 00:03:36.080 --> 00:03:40.919 for some reason. Lots of little pushes, lots of exchanges 56 00:03:40.960 --> 00:03:43.919 of maybe you know, sharing the peace if this were 57 00:03:43.960 --> 00:03:46.400 an Anglican Communion church up there in England. 58 00:03:46.879 --> 00:03:48.520 But nothing major happened. 59 00:03:48.800 --> 00:03:51.159 And I think that this is a great example of 60 00:03:51.319 --> 00:03:54.759 Anthony Taylor refereing fairly well. So that's why I wanted 61 00:03:54.759 --> 00:03:58.280 to talk about it. So, like I said, this covers 62 00:03:58.319 --> 00:04:02.919 law twelve and five. You know, Taylor did see the 63 00:04:02.960 --> 00:04:05.039 whole thing, and this is something we've talked about on 64 00:04:05.240 --> 00:04:08.840 the SGH Morning Show. The referees taking a step back 65 00:04:09.439 --> 00:04:12.960 to get a look at the confrontation as a whole, 66 00:04:13.159 --> 00:04:17.000 and so Taylor sees not just the foul that he calls, 67 00:04:17.120 --> 00:04:22.079 he then spots Hoyland and Walker kind of come together 68 00:04:22.120 --> 00:04:25.680 for a second. And I think that's why he didn't 69 00:04:25.680 --> 00:04:28.519 really do anything drastic in that moment. He didn't rush 70 00:04:28.600 --> 00:04:31.800 to give out any cautions because he saw what happened, 71 00:04:31.800 --> 00:04:35.439 he saw Kyle Walker flop, but he also stayed back 72 00:04:35.480 --> 00:04:38.439 to once he saw some other players getting in because obviously, 73 00:04:38.639 --> 00:04:41.240 you know, Hoyland goes to Walker and Walker falls down, 74 00:04:41.279 --> 00:04:46.360 there's gonna be some player involvement who you know, probably 75 00:04:46.399 --> 00:04:51.360 shouldn't be involving themselves. The foul was a clear charging 76 00:04:51.399 --> 00:04:54.759 foul by Walker. It's very careless and I would even 77 00:04:54.800 --> 00:04:57.680 say possibly reckless, which could have warranted a yellow card 78 00:04:57.680 --> 00:05:01.920 on its own. Hoylan's alignment maneuver, whatever you want to 79 00:05:01.959 --> 00:05:05.839 call it, is silly. It's certainly under the umbrella of 80 00:05:06.000 --> 00:05:12.360 unsporting behavior outlawed outlined in Law twelve, and the insuing 81 00:05:12.439 --> 00:05:17.319 kerfuffle didn't get out of hand, and I think that 82 00:05:17.399 --> 00:05:20.040 then goes to Law five. A good example of Anthony 83 00:05:20.079 --> 00:05:25.519 Taylor using this discretion. So under Law five, the referee 84 00:05:25.560 --> 00:05:29.160 is charged with controlling the match in cooperation with the 85 00:05:29.199 --> 00:05:35.759 other match officials. So Taylor takes a step back, watches 86 00:05:35.879 --> 00:05:38.800 everything unfold, watches the players come together, put some hands 87 00:05:38.839 --> 00:05:43.560 on each other, you know, little silly things, and other 88 00:05:43.639 --> 00:05:47.839 than Walker and Hoyland, there's not anything that deserves disciplinary action. 89 00:05:48.079 --> 00:05:51.600 And so you know, he Anthony Taylor understands he has 90 00:05:51.759 --> 00:05:54.160 three officials on the field with him, two ars and 91 00:05:54.199 --> 00:05:54.560 a fourth. 92 00:05:54.600 --> 00:05:57.720 He also has eyes in the sky with bar so he's. 93 00:05:58.040 --> 00:06:00.720 Just making sure he can observe as much as possible 94 00:06:00.759 --> 00:06:04.720 so he can correct it in the moment. But nothing 95 00:06:04.759 --> 00:06:09.000 happened that he needed to correct or discipline. So he 96 00:06:09.079 --> 00:06:13.040 gives Walker a yellow card and he gives Hoyland a 97 00:06:13.120 --> 00:06:15.160 yellow card. Now I think both of these were given 98 00:06:15.199 --> 00:06:20.439 for the unsporting behavior of creating the incident. But I 99 00:06:20.480 --> 00:06:22.959 will say that it wouldn't surprise me, and I haven't 100 00:06:22.959 --> 00:06:26.879 been able to see the actual report if Walker's foul 101 00:06:27.240 --> 00:06:29.720 was what earned him a yellow card. Now, I didn't 102 00:06:29.720 --> 00:06:34.160 see Taylor bring out his yellow card immediately when the 103 00:06:34.199 --> 00:06:35.959 foul is called, so that's kind of why I don't 104 00:06:35.959 --> 00:06:40.319 think it may have been. But to me, Walker undercutting 105 00:06:40.319 --> 00:06:44.959 Hoyland like that could have definitely earned him a yellow 106 00:06:45.000 --> 00:06:48.399 card in this incident, but he didn't. Both I think 107 00:06:48.439 --> 00:06:50.639 are going to be listed as unsporting behavior. But I 108 00:06:50.639 --> 00:06:52.800 do want to point out that Walker is a little 109 00:06:52.879 --> 00:06:58.199 lucky he didn't get the yellow card for a reckless foul, 110 00:06:58.279 --> 00:07:02.439 which still would have been unsporting behavior. Or technically, I 111 00:07:02.480 --> 00:07:04.680 don't think there was anything else, no red cards needed. 112 00:07:04.720 --> 00:07:08.600 This is not a This is not a headbutt at all. 113 00:07:08.759 --> 00:07:14.480 It was calm, It was you know, it was caressed. Really, 114 00:07:15.079 --> 00:07:18.879 he didn't use force at all to make contact with Walker, 115 00:07:18.920 --> 00:07:20.839 which is kind of why this never really needed to 116 00:07:20.839 --> 00:07:24.120 be escalated to a red card and VR didn't get involved. 117 00:07:24.319 --> 00:07:27.439 There was no excessive force. This was not an act 118 00:07:27.439 --> 00:07:32.240 of violent conduct. This is just unsporting behavior, silly behavior, 119 00:07:32.439 --> 00:07:36.399 stupid behavior, if you will. So nothing more needed here 120 00:07:36.639 --> 00:07:39.199 in this particular incident. Now I want to fast forward 121 00:07:39.199 --> 00:07:40.920 in this game a little bit at the request of 122 00:07:41.000 --> 00:07:44.319 Abby Schiffman, who is a great follower and friend of 123 00:07:44.439 --> 00:07:48.120 not just the SDH family of networks, but also my 124 00:07:48.199 --> 00:07:50.360 show is Soccer for us, and Abby wanted me to 125 00:07:50.360 --> 00:07:54.839 talk about a potential penalty kick not called in the sixty. 126 00:07:55.000 --> 00:07:58.439 I believe it happens in the sixty six minute for 127 00:07:58.680 --> 00:08:02.600 Manchester United. Now again in Manchester United chasing a goal 128 00:08:02.759 --> 00:08:05.600 spoiler alert, they do get a goal at the end. 129 00:08:05.639 --> 00:08:07.480 They get two goals at the end to steal three 130 00:08:07.519 --> 00:08:11.959 points from Manchester City. But in this incident, in the 131 00:08:12.079 --> 00:08:17.560 sixty fifth minute, Hoyland gets a three ball loft three 132 00:08:17.600 --> 00:08:22.560 ball and Reuben Diaz is defending. Now Hoyland is running 133 00:08:22.560 --> 00:08:26.480 onto the ball. Diaz does seem to get his body 134 00:08:26.519 --> 00:08:30.439 position in front of Hoyland, but he does so by extending. 135 00:08:29.959 --> 00:08:31.639 His leg to try to kick the ball away. 136 00:08:32.320 --> 00:08:35.200 He does not make contact with the ball and kind 137 00:08:35.200 --> 00:08:36.759 of does make contact with Hoyland. 138 00:08:36.759 --> 00:08:40.399 However, his leg more so. 139 00:08:42.879 --> 00:08:46.440 Interferes with Hoyland's ability to then chase the ball that 140 00:08:46.559 --> 00:08:49.559 kind of had already gone away. No one had any 141 00:08:49.559 --> 00:08:52.320 control of the ball in this moment. The referee did 142 00:08:52.320 --> 00:08:54.919 not call a foul ache and then did not call 143 00:08:54.960 --> 00:08:58.960 a penalty kick. To my knowledge, it wasn't really reviewed. 144 00:09:01.399 --> 00:09:04.159 Maybe for a hot second there VR did check it 145 00:09:04.200 --> 00:09:06.559 because it was a you know, if you will, a 146 00:09:06.600 --> 00:09:09.919 controversial play, But when you look at it again, I 147 00:09:10.240 --> 00:09:12.639 understand Abby was wondering that, you know, why it wasn't 148 00:09:12.639 --> 00:09:13.240 a penalty kick. 149 00:09:13.320 --> 00:09:14.000 You thought it was. 150 00:09:15.559 --> 00:09:18.360 And I think the biggest thing is because if we're 151 00:09:18.399 --> 00:09:21.720 talking about var seeing a clear and obvious error here, 152 00:09:23.960 --> 00:09:26.039 this didn't seem to be clear and obvious that it 153 00:09:26.240 --> 00:09:29.399 was a foul. Right, This is a fifty to fifty challenge. 154 00:09:30.720 --> 00:09:34.960 Diaz doesn't necessarily win the ball, but he doesn't make 155 00:09:35.000 --> 00:09:38.639 any real contact with Hoyland, and in fact, him putting 156 00:09:38.639 --> 00:09:41.320 his leg out, Hoyland runs into him. Now, had this 157 00:09:41.399 --> 00:09:44.639 been given a penalty, I could see how that could 158 00:09:44.679 --> 00:09:48.919 have upheld as well, But I don't think the referee 159 00:09:48.960 --> 00:09:54.200 not calling this is going to be overturned and maybe 160 00:09:54.240 --> 00:09:56.720 Manchester United fans will feel a little hard done. But 161 00:09:57.159 --> 00:09:59.000 the fact that VR didn't spend a whole lot of 162 00:09:59.039 --> 00:10:02.600 time on this confirms this was not a big deal 163 00:10:02.799 --> 00:10:05.480 as maybe some of the United fans wanted it to 164 00:10:05.519 --> 00:10:11.440 be so. Again spoiler alert, Manchester United does end up 165 00:10:11.480 --> 00:10:14.919 getting the victory to one over Manchester City with some 166 00:10:15.080 --> 00:10:18.240 very very late goals. But I think for this match, 167 00:10:18.279 --> 00:10:22.240 Anthony Taylor, a very experienced referee, does manage the match 168 00:10:22.279 --> 00:10:26.679 pretty well and definitely gets the yellow car defenses correct 169 00:10:27.120 --> 00:10:29.440 and then I think gets the penalty. 170 00:10:29.080 --> 00:10:30.559 Kick call correct as well. 171 00:10:34.480 --> 00:10:38.759 Now, we will move just southwest of Manchester to Liverpool 172 00:10:38.759 --> 00:10:42.399 where Andy Robertson got himself a red card in the 173 00:10:42.440 --> 00:10:47.799 Liverpool Fulham match. In the sixteenth minute, Robertson cuts out 174 00:10:47.840 --> 00:10:51.600 across that Fulham was making. It was kind of a 175 00:10:51.679 --> 00:10:55.639 deep lying switch more than it was across, but he 176 00:10:55.720 --> 00:10:57.120 goes to control the ball and. 177 00:10:57.039 --> 00:10:59.000 Fails to do so. 178 00:10:59.000 --> 00:11:01.279 So therefore Harry will is able to take it off 179 00:11:01.320 --> 00:11:05.960 of him and immediately start heading toward goal. But basically 180 00:11:05.960 --> 00:11:09.080 as soon as Harry Wilson gets the ball, Robertson trips 181 00:11:09.120 --> 00:11:12.360 him from behind. The ref blows his whistle. But this 182 00:11:12.519 --> 00:11:14.960 is a key thing. The ball does squirt to Raul 183 00:11:15.000 --> 00:11:19.960 Jomenez who is making a run on goal. Jimenez tries 184 00:11:20.000 --> 00:11:24.039 to chip the goalkeeper, is unsuccessful, and then the referee 185 00:11:24.039 --> 00:11:25.960 blows his whistle. And this is a key point that 186 00:11:26.000 --> 00:11:28.759 I want to talk about because within the realm of 187 00:11:28.799 --> 00:11:32.840 Low twelve, which is basically all this particular incident will 188 00:11:33.279 --> 00:11:37.679 talk about, there is a provision about a referee applying advantage. 189 00:11:38.480 --> 00:11:42.559 There's also the provision about what constitutes an obvious goal 190 00:11:42.639 --> 00:11:45.559 scoring opportunity and what happens if you deny one. 191 00:11:45.720 --> 00:11:46.440 So we're going to. 192 00:11:46.440 --> 00:11:50.000 Talk about those two things. First, let's talk about Tony 193 00:11:50.039 --> 00:11:54.799 Harrington having to consider whether or not Robertson did in 194 00:11:54.840 --> 00:11:58.559 fact deny an obvious goal scoring opportunity. Now he blew 195 00:11:58.600 --> 00:12:02.279 the whistle and immediately it produced a red card to 196 00:12:02.360 --> 00:12:06.639 Robertson for a dog so foul. First off, it's very 197 00:12:06.639 --> 00:12:11.879 clearly a foul. It's a trip from behind. It's a foul, absolutely, 198 00:12:12.960 --> 00:12:16.360 But in the moment Harrington does have to consider if 199 00:12:16.399 --> 00:12:19.879 it's a red card or not. So he has to 200 00:12:19.879 --> 00:12:22.639 go through the four d's of dogsow which, as we've 201 00:12:22.679 --> 00:12:29.519 talked about before, are distance, direction, distance, and defenders. So 202 00:12:29.559 --> 00:12:32.399 the first one is distance to goal. The foul happens 203 00:12:32.440 --> 00:12:34.720 about twenty seven yards from goal. I think it's fair 204 00:12:34.720 --> 00:12:39.279 to say this is a safe goal scoring opportunity for 205 00:12:40.120 --> 00:12:42.960 what at this point is now Harry Wilson and Fulham 206 00:12:43.399 --> 00:12:46.879 direction to play well, Wilson is heading directly toward goal 207 00:12:47.279 --> 00:12:51.480 after he nips the ball from Robertson. Distance to the ball, 208 00:12:52.240 --> 00:12:55.759 Wilson is very much controlling it, he's dribbling it. He's 209 00:12:55.559 --> 00:12:58.960 His first touch was fine. His second touch probably would 210 00:12:58.960 --> 00:13:01.559 have been fine had he not been fouled by Robertson, 211 00:13:03.200 --> 00:13:06.200 so his control of the ball and his ability to 212 00:13:06.240 --> 00:13:08.799 then make a play at had he not been fouled 213 00:13:09.480 --> 00:13:15.840 very clear. We checked the distance to the ball criteria 214 00:13:15.919 --> 00:13:20.480 as well. The last one is defenders. I think it's 215 00:13:20.600 --> 00:13:22.600 very fair to say that while there may have been 216 00:13:22.639 --> 00:13:27.320 Liverpool defenders in the general area, they were all behind Robertson, 217 00:13:28.000 --> 00:13:31.159 so it's very unlikely they would have caught Harry Wilson 218 00:13:31.559 --> 00:13:34.759 in on goal. Now, yes, the goalkeeper was there, but 219 00:13:34.799 --> 00:13:37.360 we're not talking goalkeepers, were talking defenders, and at this 220 00:13:37.480 --> 00:13:41.000 point there were no defenders who probably would have had 221 00:13:41.000 --> 00:13:43.480 to stand a chance to catch up to him, even 222 00:13:43.519 --> 00:13:48.480 Virgil van Dijk. So even after VR review, which the 223 00:13:48.600 --> 00:13:49.639 var review. 224 00:13:49.480 --> 00:13:50.320 Was for. 225 00:13:52.279 --> 00:13:54.399 What seemed to be more so offside, I think they 226 00:13:54.399 --> 00:13:56.960 were double checking dogsow but it seemed like they were 227 00:13:57.000 --> 00:14:00.720 checking to see that Wilson wasn't offside build up, which 228 00:14:00.879 --> 00:14:07.720 possibly could have negated the goal, which glad we didn't 229 00:14:07.720 --> 00:14:09.200 get into it because that could have been a very 230 00:14:09.240 --> 00:14:12.600 contentious offside ruling that we probably would have been talking 231 00:14:12.600 --> 00:14:17.320 about in this segment instead. But regardless, this meets all 232 00:14:17.360 --> 00:14:20.759 the requirements for a red card for dogso Robertson is 233 00:14:20.840 --> 00:14:23.639 rightly sent off, and I think Tony Harrington got this 234 00:14:23.960 --> 00:14:25.559 very correct in the moment, and I'm. 235 00:14:25.440 --> 00:14:27.039 Glad var upheld it. 236 00:14:28.480 --> 00:14:32.279 The second piece of this puzzle to this particular foul 237 00:14:32.840 --> 00:14:37.559 is the advantage application. Now the play goes on for 238 00:14:37.639 --> 00:14:42.320 a half second, maybe a full second. The ball rolls 239 00:14:42.559 --> 00:14:44.960 to Raul Jimenez. Now this is a good piece of 240 00:14:45.000 --> 00:14:49.360 referring from Harrington, because he sees the foul, he holds 241 00:14:49.399 --> 00:14:51.679 his whistle for a second to see what happens to 242 00:14:51.679 --> 00:14:53.919 the ball, because he knows this is a very clear 243 00:14:54.440 --> 00:14:58.000 and obvious goal scoring opportunity, and he can see that 244 00:14:58.200 --> 00:15:00.679 ral Jimenez has a chance to get to the ball, 245 00:15:01.240 --> 00:15:03.480 so he holds his whistle for a second. He doesn't 246 00:15:03.519 --> 00:15:07.440 necessarily signal advantage or play on, but he does hold 247 00:15:07.440 --> 00:15:07.879 his whistle. 248 00:15:09.080 --> 00:15:10.679 He sees him and as get the ball. 249 00:15:11.360 --> 00:15:13.960 He sees him in as try to chip the goalkeeper, 250 00:15:13.960 --> 00:15:17.480 which I think at this point now is Ali Solan. 251 00:15:17.559 --> 00:15:19.919 I think he's back. I think Ali so On is back. 252 00:15:21.600 --> 00:15:24.200 And then Virgil van Dyke does catch up to it 253 00:15:24.240 --> 00:15:26.720 and clears the ball before it gets into the goal. 254 00:15:26.799 --> 00:15:30.919 At that point, when Van Dyke touches the ball, Harrington 255 00:15:30.960 --> 00:15:34.440 blows his whistle. Now, the reason this is important is 256 00:15:34.480 --> 00:15:41.919 because Tony Harrington gave a red card to Robertson. Had 257 00:15:42.519 --> 00:15:49.039 he applied a true advantage and say Jimnez does score, right, 258 00:15:51.000 --> 00:15:55.480 the foul that Robertson commits is no longer able to 259 00:15:55.519 --> 00:15:56.440 be given a red. 260 00:15:56.240 --> 00:16:00.000 Card because the double jeopardy theory. 261 00:16:00.840 --> 00:16:04.320 So, first off, I think Harrington doesn't really give a 262 00:16:04.360 --> 00:16:07.200 full on advantage call, So I think that's one way 263 00:16:07.200 --> 00:16:09.159 that he's kind of saving himself a little bit. But 264 00:16:10.320 --> 00:16:13.879 for all intents and purposes, he does allow advantage to play, 265 00:16:14.279 --> 00:16:16.639 or at least allows play to continue just seeing if 266 00:16:16.679 --> 00:16:20.679 an advantage occurs. Advantage does not occur, so he's able 267 00:16:20.720 --> 00:16:22.759 to call the foul, bring it back, give a red card. 268 00:16:23.320 --> 00:16:26.000 Had he not called the foul, had again Hermenez scored, 269 00:16:26.080 --> 00:16:27.840 or maybe the ball goes out for a corner kick 270 00:16:28.080 --> 00:16:28.600 or something. 271 00:16:28.639 --> 00:16:29.200 I don't know. 272 00:16:30.399 --> 00:16:33.679 To me, only in this incident, a goal scoring would 273 00:16:33.720 --> 00:16:36.440 have been enough to call the not call the foul back. 274 00:16:40.080 --> 00:16:43.279 Had he given that advantage, and again a goal is 275 00:16:43.320 --> 00:16:47.720 scored or something, this foul could not have been a 276 00:16:47.759 --> 00:16:49.919 red card. It would have had to have been a 277 00:16:50.039 --> 00:16:54.480 yellow card foul because it's not a handball, a deliberate 278 00:16:54.519 --> 00:16:58.320 handball anyway, And it's while it's a dilberate, deliberate foul, 279 00:16:58.360 --> 00:17:00.879 it is within the realm of a legitimate play on 280 00:17:00.919 --> 00:17:03.919 the ball. I mean, I think Robertson, you could see 281 00:17:03.960 --> 00:17:06.920 he's not trying to take down Wilson. He is, I 282 00:17:06.920 --> 00:17:09.839 think trying to at least try to make a challenge 283 00:17:09.839 --> 00:17:11.880 on the ball. It looks like he's trying to tackle him, 284 00:17:11.880 --> 00:17:17.200 and he very badly misses. So if an advantage is played, 285 00:17:17.640 --> 00:17:22.200 and that advantage is given and played through once the 286 00:17:22.240 --> 00:17:25.000 next stop of the play occurs, Harrington would have had 287 00:17:25.039 --> 00:17:28.720 to come back and give Robertson a yellow card, not 288 00:17:28.839 --> 00:17:33.000 a red card, because we do not allow for that advantage. 289 00:17:32.440 --> 00:17:33.480 To be played. 290 00:17:35.160 --> 00:17:39.599 Outside of the box for something like this and then 291 00:17:39.680 --> 00:17:42.839 to get you know, again a goal and a red card. 292 00:17:43.480 --> 00:17:45.319 Think of this as the same way that we do 293 00:17:45.440 --> 00:17:49.799 not give red cards that often four thousandside the penalty 294 00:17:49.799 --> 00:17:53.119 area when we're giving a penalty kick. And the reason 295 00:17:53.200 --> 00:17:57.039 is the double jeopardy theory that we have been using 296 00:17:57.079 --> 00:17:59.839 for almost a decade now, if not more. 297 00:18:01.480 --> 00:18:01.559 So. 298 00:18:03.799 --> 00:18:05.799 We still try to extend that because you don't want 299 00:18:05.839 --> 00:18:08.680 to give a team a goal down and a red 300 00:18:08.680 --> 00:18:11.920 card at any point in time, that's really just not 301 00:18:12.000 --> 00:18:17.240 okay unless it's a very deliberate, you know, handball or 302 00:18:18.720 --> 00:18:20.200 you know, if it's in the penalty box, you know, 303 00:18:20.240 --> 00:18:22.000 a shirt tug or something like that. It's not a 304 00:18:22.079 --> 00:18:25.920 legitimate play on the ball for Robertson. He's a little 305 00:18:25.960 --> 00:18:28.759 unlucky that Jamenez doesn't score because he would have stayed 306 00:18:28.759 --> 00:18:33.839 in the game. But in this instance, I think Harrington 307 00:18:33.920 --> 00:18:37.440 got a spot on. He saw the foul, he allowed 308 00:18:37.480 --> 00:18:41.240 play to play on for a half second. Once that 309 00:18:41.319 --> 00:18:44.519 advantage was very clearly gone, he blew his whistle, came 310 00:18:44.559 --> 00:18:47.160 back to the original spot of the foul, gave Robertson 311 00:18:47.200 --> 00:18:49.559 the red card, and allowed Fulham to then take a 312 00:18:49.599 --> 00:18:53.599 direct free kick from there. Good job by Harrington. But 313 00:18:53.920 --> 00:18:56.000 I just wanted to talk about the advantage part of 314 00:18:56.000 --> 00:18:58.480 that and again go over the dog so criteria. 315 00:18:59.559 --> 00:18:59.920 All right. 316 00:19:00.119 --> 00:19:02.400 Final play that I want to talk about comes from 317 00:19:02.440 --> 00:19:04.799 the world of college soccer in the Men's College Cup 318 00:19:04.839 --> 00:19:06.960 semi final, which, by the way, the Men's College Cup 319 00:19:07.000 --> 00:19:11.000 Final is going on tonight at this is Monday, so 320 00:19:11.200 --> 00:19:13.599 going on Monday night, you can watch that on ESPNU 321 00:19:13.759 --> 00:19:18.119 so the question here is a handball by Vermont. Now, 322 00:19:18.200 --> 00:19:23.599 the game tying goal scored by Yaev Benzani with seven 323 00:19:23.640 --> 00:19:27.119 minutes to play, went to VAR review. He scores on 324 00:19:27.160 --> 00:19:31.039 a very nice lofted through ball. He controls it with 325 00:19:31.079 --> 00:19:34.519 what looks like his chest, but there is maybe a 326 00:19:34.559 --> 00:19:36.880 little bit of a possible handball, which again is why 327 00:19:36.920 --> 00:19:39.880 it goes to VAR. He controls it with his chest, 328 00:19:40.000 --> 00:19:44.119 brings it down, slots it under the goalkeeper, goes to 329 00:19:44.200 --> 00:19:45.519 the cornerback flag to celebrate. 330 00:19:45.559 --> 00:19:46.759 We've got a tie ball game. 331 00:19:47.119 --> 00:19:50.200 Looks like the College Cup semi final is heading to overtime, 332 00:19:51.000 --> 00:19:54.279 but VAR wants to take a look. And now VR 333 00:19:54.319 --> 00:19:56.960 in college is a little bit weird because the camera 334 00:19:57.000 --> 00:20:01.559 angles are basically only accessible excuse me, the only camera 335 00:20:01.599 --> 00:20:05.640 angles accessible are those from the television. So we're a 336 00:20:05.680 --> 00:20:11.119 little lucky that we have TV for these games. But Vermont, 337 00:20:12.000 --> 00:20:15.160 you know, is celebrating. VR wants to take a check, 338 00:20:15.680 --> 00:20:18.880 and when you look at it, it wasn't that long 339 00:20:18.880 --> 00:20:20.359 of a check, but it was long enough to kind 340 00:20:20.359 --> 00:20:21.799 of make you a question what they were going to do. 341 00:20:23.240 --> 00:20:25.839 I think the reason why this was checked, and we'll 342 00:20:25.839 --> 00:20:29.240 talk about Law twelve, is because there's kind of a 343 00:20:29.279 --> 00:20:35.240 double touch around his shoulder area, and that's the cause 344 00:20:35.359 --> 00:20:36.279 for the pause. 345 00:20:36.720 --> 00:20:36.960 Right. 346 00:20:37.880 --> 00:20:41.440 So Law twelve defines the boundary of the arm as 347 00:20:41.480 --> 00:20:44.240 the armpit, So anything above the armpit you can play. 348 00:20:44.279 --> 00:20:47.880 Anything below the armpit can't play. A lot of times, 349 00:20:47.920 --> 00:20:49.799 we can look at that as the sleeve of the jersey. 350 00:20:49.839 --> 00:20:52.400 That's not a cut and dry rule for a number 351 00:20:52.400 --> 00:20:54.119 of reasons, but it's a good. 352 00:20:53.960 --> 00:20:55.480 Way to kind of visualize it. 353 00:20:55.599 --> 00:21:01.759 Right where that jersey goes down mid bicep, if you will. 354 00:21:01.880 --> 00:21:06.400 The first touch hits right at his upper bicep on 355 00:21:06.640 --> 00:21:12.799 his left arm. Then the ball goes back across his 356 00:21:12.920 --> 00:21:15.759 body and hits right about where the shoulder joint is 357 00:21:16.279 --> 00:21:19.599 on his right arm. In live action, that looked clean, 358 00:21:20.480 --> 00:21:23.480 but the double deflection, I think is why var. 359 00:21:23.240 --> 00:21:24.319 Kind of wanted to question it. 360 00:21:24.880 --> 00:21:30.279 However, both of these touches are legal and legitimate, and Bazini, 361 00:21:31.880 --> 00:21:33.680 you get a goal, you're celebrating. 362 00:21:33.960 --> 00:21:34.759 It's a good goal. 363 00:21:35.039 --> 00:21:38.400 And then Vermont goes on to win, not just an overtime, 364 00:21:38.400 --> 00:21:42.160 but in penalty kicks. So that game tiangle stands, we 365 00:21:42.240 --> 00:21:45.400 go to penalty kicks, Vermont takes it, they will be 366 00:21:45.400 --> 00:21:48.640 playing Marshall in the College Cup finals, so some college 367 00:21:49.160 --> 00:21:52.680 soccer action now again VR in this was we were 368 00:21:52.720 --> 00:21:54.720 lucky we had some good camera angles. Shout out to 369 00:21:54.920 --> 00:21:58.480 ESPNU for bringing all the cameras we did get to 370 00:21:58.519 --> 00:22:01.640 have a couple of looks at it. I do wonder 371 00:22:01.720 --> 00:22:06.960 had this been maybe in a regional round or before that, 372 00:22:08.240 --> 00:22:11.079 or even a regular season, how many cameras we would 373 00:22:11.079 --> 00:22:13.559 have had put up to get the right camera angle, 374 00:22:13.599 --> 00:22:15.400 in which case I still think the outcome would have 375 00:22:15.400 --> 00:22:18.640 been the same because you wouldn't have had a legitimate 376 00:22:18.720 --> 00:22:19.960 view to see if it was good or not. 377 00:22:20.200 --> 00:22:24.359 But I would have been curious because I don't see. 378 00:22:24.400 --> 00:22:26.640 I did not see a single camera angle that showed 379 00:22:26.680 --> 00:22:29.880 this to be any sort of handball. But I'm glad 380 00:22:29.920 --> 00:22:32.400 they at least took the time to check it. Again, 381 00:22:32.480 --> 00:22:36.000 it's a very important goal. It's a game deciding goal, really, 382 00:22:36.039 --> 00:22:40.920 I mean we go from a we go from Denver 383 00:22:41.000 --> 00:22:45.359 being ahead to Vermont tying, and it's worth taking a 384 00:22:45.400 --> 00:22:50.079 look and checking it. But again, that boundary for a 385 00:22:50.119 --> 00:22:53.880 playable part of our arm is the armpit, right, So 386 00:22:53.920 --> 00:22:55.680 if you look at your armpit, you go down here. 387 00:22:55.680 --> 00:22:58.640 It's again around your mid bicep. Some people like to 388 00:22:58.720 --> 00:23:02.000 use it as the shoulder or excuse me, the sleeve 389 00:23:02.119 --> 00:23:04.480 at the end of the sleeve, but it's around the 390 00:23:04.480 --> 00:23:07.799 mid bicep really that we're looking at. And both of 391 00:23:07.839 --> 00:23:10.480 these touches by Bazzini to control of this ball and 392 00:23:10.519 --> 00:23:12.279 score completely legal. 393 00:23:13.319 --> 00:23:17.079 Love to see that from the referee crew. Well that's 394 00:23:17.079 --> 00:23:18.240 all I have for you. I just wanted to talk 395 00:23:18.240 --> 00:23:19.720 about those three instances. 396 00:23:20.240 --> 00:23:23.680 I'm sure you'll be hearing from me throughout the holiday 397 00:23:23.680 --> 00:23:25.839 season as I give you some more updates, not just 398 00:23:25.960 --> 00:23:29.519 on Reffing Down here, but also on US Soccer. You 399 00:23:29.559 --> 00:23:34.799 can see you can hear episode one oh six I 400 00:23:34.799 --> 00:23:39.000 believe of Soccer for US coming out this week as well. 401 00:23:39.039 --> 00:23:41.000