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Speaker 1: Hello everybody, and welcome back to Shirley. You can't be

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serious podcast. I'm a huckleberry.

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Speaker 2: When is this is?

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Speaker 1: It is, ladies and gentlemen. We are here to discuss

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two awesome movies three three awesome movies. Three awesome movies

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that involve cowboys. Not many Indians, but Mexican Indians use

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some of them.

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Speaker 2: Keep calling me names. I'm sorry, I'm sorry.

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Speaker 1: Does this mean we enough? If I thought we were

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not friends, I could not bear it.

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Speaker 2: It's gonna be a clote fans.

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Speaker 1: My god, Welcome back everybody. We are here to discuss

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Tombstone versus Young Guns one and Young Guns two. We'll

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probably have a ranking at the end. I know I've

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got my top one in mind. The finishers for second

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and third place are going to be up in the

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air for me. But okay, you remember watching these movies

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for the first time?

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Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, yes, VHS party. As soon as Young

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Guns came out, I picked it up on VHS. I've

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watched it a thousand times. Yeah, Young Guns two, same thing.

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I picked up the CD and then I picked up

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the VHS tape, and then Tombstone was kind of beginning.

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I don't think we were quiet in the DVD era

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for me at least at that time. But I had

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it on VHS and I watched all three of these

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Speaker 1: Yeah, these were definitely VHS movies for me and I

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Young Guns was kind of that same. I was experienced

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that at the same time that I was experiencing the diehard,

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you know phase, Like I was like, Okay, these are

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these are my movies right now. And so I don't

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really remember how I saw that one first, but I

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remember when the second one came out. A buddy of

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mine had seen it, and I was like, did you

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like it? He goes, I think it was better than

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the first one. I was like, oh dang, and I

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went I agreed with him. I thought, I thought the

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second one was better than the first one.

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Speaker 2: And give me a final judgment already.

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Speaker 1: No, that's how I felt when I was like, okay, okay, thirteen,

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I mean that's okay, okay. I was thirty years ago,

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all right.

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Speaker 2: The bon jovie stuff pushed it over the top for you.

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Speaker 1: Well, it was a big fact that not as that

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Blaze of Gloria was a killer song. And then I've

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got a fantastic burned in my you know, wonderful childhood

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memories of a snowball fight that occurred between me and

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my friends after we saw the movie Tombstone, where the

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quotes were just flying, you know, the snowballs were flying,

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and the quotes were flying too with them as well.

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Speaker 2: That's fantastic. Yes, I love that.

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Speaker 1: I'm yo Hukaberry. And then you.

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Speaker 2: Know, Daisy, you know, Daisy.

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Speaker 1: Law.

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Speaker 2: Don't go around here, mister, I heard you the first time.

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Speaker 1: All right, So enough about us. Should we jump in.

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Speaker 2: Let's jump back in time to the year eighteen eighty one.

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Speaker 1: You're so drunk you can't and nothing.

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Speaker 2: In fact, you're probably seeing sample. I have two gums,

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one fight chobyon.

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Speaker 1: We are on the day after the anniversary of the

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shootout at the OK Corral one hundred and forty years ago. Yesterday,

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Wyatt and his brothers went to go confront the Clanton's

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and mccloughy's and it did not get.

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Speaker 2: Well, thirty bullets thirty seconds.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's not an exaggeration. If anything, thirty seconds

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is probably overestimating. It was probably even less than that.

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It's incredible, and some folks ended up dead. And you

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know why, should such a short thing end up in

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the annals of American history for another one hundred and

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forty years. These kind of big deal shootouts were not

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like this, like one gang against another gang just typically

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didn't happen like this. It was usually one guy against

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another guy, you know, the old high noon kind of thing. Sure,

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so that's why it was such a big deal. And

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then also it's really a big question at the time

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who is in the right. I mean, history has certainly

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painted a certain way, but the truth is the Clantons

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and the Clary's they didn't have any they didn't have

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any charges. They weren't criminals, they hadn't gotten anything against them,

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whereas the Herbs had some stuff on them.

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Speaker 2: Sure so, but you know, history is a you know,

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it's interesting because there were two newspapers in Tombstone at

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the time. You know, the newspaper we're going to lean on.

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on what the newspapers told us, right, and so journalism

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Speaker 1: Don't know that I would say it was not as anything.

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The fact is that journalism was biased. It was either

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going to be biased. One is, you know, maybe you

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got biased sharks of the IRPs. Maybe you got biased

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towards the cowboys. Maybe you got we're gonna sensationalize this

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story so we sell more papers, get more advertising, and

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maybe you know, we try to get the truth, and

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we just try to tell the truth as we believe

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it to be.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's what I was gonna say.

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Speaker 1: That's why it is.

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Speaker 2: Now, well, yes it is, Yes, it is. One newspaper

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in Tombstone sided with the Clintons, one side sided with Therps. Yeah, hey,

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you know what else happened in nineteen eighty one?

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Speaker 1: Let me see, Uh, somebody shot somebody. I bet Pat

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Garrett shot Billy the Kid in the back allegedly.

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Speaker 2: Allegedly you I'll make you famous.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll jump on that when we get to young

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guns too. Okay, let's start with young guys. It was

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the first movie made, so let's jump in there.

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Speaker 2: Hey, James killing us.

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Speaker 1: If we're in a spirit, we'll totally can't see us. Right.

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Speaker 2: Came out August twelfth, nineteen eighty eight. Now, I couldn't

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find very much on how this movie came to be.

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Speaker 1: This was a studio movie, so obviously those things were

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in play. But yeah, like typically I've got a great story,

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and I don't have a super good story on this one.

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So here's what'm gonna do. I'm want to tell you

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about the writer. Okay, so the writer's name was John

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Fuscous is because should we say it now?

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Speaker 2: Sure?

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Speaker 1: So at the beginning of this year, John Fusco, the

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guy who wrote Young Guns and Young Guns two and

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Emilio Estevez said, we are developing young Guns three.

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Speaker 2: Young Guns three.

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Speaker 1: They're not young anymore. It's just gonna have to be

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guns three.

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Speaker 2: Did you see the movie poster?

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Speaker 1: I did see the movie post to.

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Speaker 2: See how the word young was shot up with bullets.

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Speaker 1: So it's just kind of very creative. So everybody. It

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actually on IMDb it says said to be released in

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August of next year, we have the third part of

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the Young Guns installment. I am excited to see what

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they're going to do with it. I don't know what

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everybody in how they how can they do possibly? And

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I mean everybody's thirty something years older. What how you

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do it? I don't know how you do it.

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Speaker 2: How's the math work here?

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Speaker 1: Well, how's the fact that most of them died work? Well?

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I guess maybe they broached the fact that some of

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them didn't really die. I mean, Charlie didn't really die

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when they had him.

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Speaker 2: Die, Charlie Javez doc.

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Speaker 1: None of them died when they say they died in

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the movie. So maybe that's it. Maybe that's the big

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reveal at the beginning of the movie. Hey, it turns

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out nobody's really dead.

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Speaker 2: Wow, and they're still avenging John Tunstall.

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Speaker 1: If you guys needs to help out with the script,

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you can preach us at Shirley Podcast at gmail dot com.

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Speaker 2: That's right, that's right.

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Speaker 1: Okay. So John Fusco was born in Connecticut. He actually

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was a musician. He left high school and decided to

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travel the American South as a blues musician and blue

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collar worker. He was trying to find some great old

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blue songs so he could do the Led Zeppelin thing.

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I guess, steal some blue songs, make them some rock songs.

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Speaker 2: Wait a minute, He packed up his guitar and he

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And so he traveled around for a while. He

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ended up being a part of a band. In seventy nine,

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he joined and toured with the Dixie Road Ducks from

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Northern Virginia, but soon he left. Both of those and

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went to school to pursue screenwriting. Okay, he went to

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NYU and he had writing mentors that you A couple

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of them are going to recognize, Waldo salt Ring, Lardner

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Junior and Lorenzo Simple. Really Yep. He ended up winning

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back to back honors in the National Screenwriting competition in

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his junior and senior year. He won the top prize,

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which was a Nissan CenTra. So that's pretty cool. And

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he got a contract with the William Morris Agency and

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his thesis became the movie that I've talked about before,

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the other Ralph Mancio movie of the eighties, Crossroads, of course,

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about blues in the South.

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Speaker 2: I could watch this movie. I've never seen Crossroads.

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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, you do need to.

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Speaker 2: I pride myself on being like an eighties movie gurer,

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but I've never seen that.

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Speaker 1: It's like, it's like Devil went down to Georgia eighty style.

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It really is. It's good. It's such a good movie.

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You got checked out. So anyway, the final scene of

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Speaker 2: Okay, it's interesting there you go, Okay, keep.

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Speaker 1: Going, and so then he wrote Young Guns. That's all

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I've got. I mean, I don't know what to say, Like,

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I can't find anything else. I don't know how Christopher

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Kane was picked to direct it. But we can talk

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about Amelia Stevez. He's part of the brat pack. He

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had done The Outsiders, he had done Breakfast Club.

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Speaker 2: He had done a movie called That Was then This

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is Now, uh huh with Christopher Kane.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and that may have been how he got hooked

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on because it seemed like Emelio Estevez was kind of

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a driving force on this, although he wasn't the first

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one that they wanted to play the part.

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Speaker 2: They wanted Sean Penn as Billy the.

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Speaker 1: Kid, not crazy. That'd have been a different movie.

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Speaker 2: Listen, Emilio Estevez may not be the greatest actor they

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ever walked down the street. Yeah, but he is a

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perfect Billy the Kid.

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Speaker 1: You know why Sean Penn didn't get the job, right. No,

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he's in jail for punching out a photographer.

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Speaker 2: Is that right?

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Speaker 1: Too busy?

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Speaker 2: Too busy being married to Madonna at that.

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Speaker 1: Year, I guess, so wow for defending her honor.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I remember those days. Yeah, punched out a photographer.

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Before we get into cast too far, I just listen.

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We are doing historical movies today. Okay, we're not college professors.

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We are just two guys with.

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Speaker 1: Well I mean you are you are? Oh? Yes, I am.

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Oh that's right, it's me. I can't. I always forget

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which one of us is which.

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Speaker 2: If you want a really good podcast on Billy the Kid,

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Chris Weimer does America.

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Speaker 1: Yes, Infamous America.

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Speaker 2: And Legends of the Old West.

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Speaker 1: And they are fantastic. They are really good man, and

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our friend Dan lefeb has had him as a guest

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on his two episodes on these movies, the Tombstone episode

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and the Young Guns episode. They just covered Young Guns one,

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not Young Guns two. But check those out if you

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want an abbreviated version of what Chris has to offer,

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and then check out his podcast for sure.

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Speaker 2: So I'm just going to cover a brief history on

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these characters.

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Speaker 1: Okay, all right, So we really don't.

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Speaker 2: Know tons of hard evidence about Billy the Kid. Okay,

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probably the most famous Old West outlaw.

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Speaker 1: Agreed, Yeah, yeah, he's probably top of the list.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so most people think he was born in New

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York City. Actually, his birth name was Henry McCarty. Yes,

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when his mom got married at a young age, she

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married a guy named Antrim, so he took the name

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uh huh, which I thought this was interesting. So his

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whole life he was known as Henry the Kid right right,

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Billy Bonnie. And it took a newspaper to finally put

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the three magic words together. I believe it was the

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the actual newspaper they finally put together Billy the Kid.

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Speaker 1: And man that's magic title?

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Speaker 2: Is that incredible? Billy the Kid?

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they made their way to Wichita, and they ended up

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in Silver City, New Mexico. There was a silver boom,

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Silver City, New Mexico.

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of forty five, and essentially at that point his teenager

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he became an orphan, fell in quickly with the bad crowd,

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as teenagers often do, was arrested early, I think eighteen

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seventy five for stealing laundry from a clothesline, stealing from

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a chinaman.

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and we his parents do this sometimes you watch after

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your kid, and because your kid is hanging with this

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other kid, you want to make sure that kid is

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on the straight and narrow. So the sheriff brought him

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man put him in jail and in essentially a way

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to scare himself straight. Right, So Billy wasn't really in

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as much trouble as he perceived he was. And so

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when he was let out for exercise, somebody turned their back.

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when you've got to feed prisoners and take care of them,

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they would just assume you'd left. Right, Well, somebody turned

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their back, and he shimmed up a chimney and up

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and over the wall and out and gone, oh wow, okay,

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I mean, skinny teenager, crawled up at chimney and out

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to freedom. So again, hanging out with the wrong crowd,

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stealing horses from soldiers. You know, this is post Civil war,

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I mean, just post Civil War. So he's playing cards

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one night with a guy they called Wendy k Hill

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like blows like the wind, Wendy calling Wendy because he

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liked to tell these long, elaborate stories and everybody thought

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he was full of crap. Right, Well, he started giving

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the kid a hard time and calling him. He called it,

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we know, he called him a pimp and a son

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of a bit, and he was holding him down. They

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his shoulders and was slapping him and embarrassing him.

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Speaker 1: This is the Wendy slapping Billy, Wendy slapping Billy of

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the kid who is like seventeen at this moment.

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pistol somehow and shoots this guy and he commits his

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first murder right self defense, probably yeah, once again, he

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takes off, probably probably gets cleared and self defense. But

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you know, you're young, you're seventeen, You're like, crap, I

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just shot a guy. I'm gone, right, Okay. So serif sheriff.

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So he takes off that happened in Arizona. He bails

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on Arizona, goes to New Mexico. Okay, So when he

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arrives in New Mexico, it's right as the Lincoln Wars

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are getting ready to happen.

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So you've got John Tunstall, you've got Alex McSween, and

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you've got the Murphy Dolan gang. Yes, right, Jack balances Murphy.

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little glimpse of him in the back. But the truth

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the movie. For one, John Tunstall was like twenty three

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years old. He was younger than Doc, he was younger

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than Charlie, he was younger. Yeah, he was younger than

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everybody except for Billy the kids. So he wasn't like

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this old mentor. He was a guy from England who

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had come across to make his fortune. And he happens

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to run into Alex McSween. It's fascinating story. So they

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are in Santa Fe, New Mexico, in a hotel restaurant

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and he overhears Alex McSween saying the words that, boy,

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if somebody really had some grit, they could go down

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to Lincoln County and make a lot of money, run

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cattle and you know, competing against the Murphy Dolan Gang. Now,

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Alex McSween had been the attorney for the Murphy Dolan Gang. Yes, like,

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so he was like, oh, well, I can help out

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because I know all the ins and outs of their organization.

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I can tell you in today's world that will get

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you in big trouble as a lawyer. Yeah, But back then,

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he knew the secrets of the Murphy Dolan Gang, he

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knew how crooked they were, and he was like, I

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would like to get someone who's a decent person in

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charge here and taken over this thing, and I know

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how their game works, so I can help you out.

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John Tunstall into doing this.

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have some fortitude yeah, right, he had the balls to

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go against the Murphy Dolan game. Yeah, And he was

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quoted as saying that he wanted fifty cents of every

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dollar spent in New Mexico. So John Tussell, it wasn't

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that he wasn't ambitious or even greedy, right, He just

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wasn't willing to murder people.

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and that sort of thing, which was different than McSween.

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McSween was anti violence completely like he, which is, you know,

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ironic that he would be gunned down in the front

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end part of his house while his house was burning.

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Tunstall was one who would take up the fight, but

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wasn't one to go instigate.

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Speaker 2: Yes, so it is interesting before we really go any further,

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almost everybody, at least the main people are based on

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real people in Young Guns and Tombstone.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the historical accuracy of these movies, given that they

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are really good and Hollywood movies right, is really pretty impressive.

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Speaker 1: I mean, the fact is there are just some really

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cool things going on back in the eighteen eighties and

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we got the benefit of being able to capture it

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via Hollywood. Okay, guys, we're going to take a brief break.

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We're coming to you with our Shirly showcase. We have

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a special Patreon member who is joining us today to

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tell us her opinion on one of our prior episodes.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, she's Torontonian. Her name is Addie, and this is

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what she has to say.

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Speaker 3: Hey guys, this is Addie from Toronto, Ontario and I

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really love your podcast, so thank you for asking me

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to be a part of it.

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Speaker 4: This is really exciting.

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Speaker 3: I've listened to your podcast for a few weeks now,

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maybe a month, but I really love it. I listen

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to it every week. It's a great way to break

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up the work day. It gives me a little bit

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of joy in an otherwise boring work day. So thank

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you guys for that. Your podcast is just kind of

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really chill and fun and I love listening to you

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guys talk. You guys are very knowledgeable and funny, and

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it sounds like listening to two old friends sit around

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and talk and laugh and it just gives you a

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really good feeling. So I really love your podcast, So

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keep doing what you're doing. So I've chosen your Bill

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and Ted episodes, both of them, because I have to

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talk about all three movies. And yeah, I just love

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those movies so much. They're near and dear to my heart.

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I got into excellent Adventure when I was about fifteen sixteen,

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which was two thousand and five, two thousand and six,

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so kind of way after the movies came out, but

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they're still nostalgic to me and remind me of being

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a teenager. I love them so much. I've made my

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friend in high school dress up as Bill and me

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as Ted because that's how much I love the movies

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and still one of my favorite Halloween costumes of all time.

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I don't know how I'm gonna pick. It's impossible to

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rank these movies because they're all so good. I love

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them so much. Excellent Adventure, obviously, is where we meet

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Bill and Ted, and you meet these two lovable characters

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who are just pure fun and they're sweet and they're

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nice and they just want to have a good time.

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They're not like those typical rebellious rage against the machine,

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range against the man rocker dudes.

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Speaker 4: They just want to have a good time. They want

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to make music.

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Speaker 3: They're vibing, they're chilling, they're just living their life. And

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they also have to save the world, so I guess

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there's a little bit of conflict there, and it's just

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a fun time.

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Speaker 4: And then you have Bogus Journey, which.

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from Excellent Adventure, I think they take the formula from

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Excellent Adventure change it into something completely different while also

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remaining true to them, which I don't know if that

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makes any sense, and I don't know if this is

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an unpopular opinion, but I do love Bogus Journey. I

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love William Sadler as Death. He is absolutely hilarious. And

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I also love God gave rock and roll to you,

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one of the greatest songs and forever will remind me

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of Bill and Ted. And then you have Faced the music,

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which honestly I think is fun, nostalgic. It was a

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good throwback. It was completely for the fans, and I

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think it was a great way to close off the trilogy.

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I think Alex Winter and Keanu Reeves did an amazing

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job and they just brought Bill and Ted back to

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life while finally closing off their story in a satisfactory way.

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Speaker 4: And I just loved it. And that's it. I mean.

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Speaker 3: As for my ranking, I think I can only rank

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them in the way they came out as one, two,

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and three.

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Speaker 4: But they're all so good and it really.

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Speaker 3: Is truly impossible to rank them, but yeah, I guess

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the only appropriate way to end this is to say,

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be excellent to each other and party on.

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Speaker 4: Dudes.

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Speaker 3: Thank you guys for everything you do. I can't wait

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to listen to more.

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Speaker 1: Okay, awesome, I love it.

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Speaker 2: I love that's she called us fun and chill.

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Speaker 1: I'd like fun, I like chill, I like being described

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as such. It is good. We really really appreciate the

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warm words that you had for us. Addie. Thank you

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very much.

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Speaker 2: I think it's awesome that somebody so young likes these

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eighties and nineties movies that we love.

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Speaker 1: I know it sounds like she was born in like

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the Lady eighties and still is digging on the stuff

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that we grew up with. It's totally awesome.

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Speaker 2: I know it's fantastic. Addie, Thank you so much. We

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love hearing from you. Looking forward to interacting with you

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in the future.

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Speaker 1: And guys, if you want to be an executive producer

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like Addie, be sure and check out our Patreon page.

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It's patreon dot com slash Shirley Podcast. You can be

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month and get some maybe cool prizes if you go

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up from there. So definitely check that out. Thanks Addie.

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All right, let's get back to it.

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Speaker 2: So, Yes, William H. Bonnie actually lived, Jose Chavez, real

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person Joside, Doc Scurlock, real person, Charlie Bowdrey, Dirty Steve

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even was a real person with a real name.

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Speaker 1: Yep.

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Speaker 2: Okay. So when Billy arrives in Lincoln County, the Murphy

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Dolan store is the most powerful thing.

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Speaker 1: Okay.

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Speaker 2: They actually have a deal with the army. Remember this

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is Civil war, just after the Civil War, and they

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are running every So tons silomicch swing came to town

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to put them out of business. Guess what, that's not

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Speaker 1: Let all fly around here, get.

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Speaker 2: Yes. So, like the movie, Murphy Dolan assassinated John Tunstall. Yeah,

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New Year's Day, New Year's Day and the group of

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young men. It's not this father son relationship, right, or

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even teacher student relationship, right. It's boss and regulators regularly.

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any stealing of his property. We're damn good too. Mister

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Tunstell's got a soft spot for runaways. There looks vagrant types,

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00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:41,160
but you can't be any geek off the street. Gotta

471
00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:42,680
be handy with the steel, if you know what I mean,

472
00:22:42,759 --> 00:22:43,640
or you keep it's.

473
00:22:43,599 --> 00:22:48,200
Speaker 1: Just after that happened, they became the deputized regulators.

474
00:22:48,319 --> 00:22:49,839
Speaker 2: Gotta be handy with the steel, if you know what

475
00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:50,200
I mean.

476
00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:54,599
Speaker 1: I can't wait to talk about that line.

477
00:22:55,759 --> 00:22:59,440
Speaker 2: I know we can't. So after his death, the regulators

478
00:22:59,680 --> 00:23:03,200
got Lawrence and instead of like arresting people, they used

479
00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:06,599
it as like hunting licenses, like we're gonna go kill

480
00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:07,640
these guys.

481
00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:12,039
Speaker 1: And speaking about historical accuracy. Dick Brewer was really like, no,

482
00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:13,880
we need to arrest these guys. We don't need to

483
00:23:13,920 --> 00:23:16,799
just gun him down. And Billy and basically everybody else

484
00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:19,359
was like, nope, we're taking these guys out. They killed

485
00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:21,079
our boss. We're taking them out.

486
00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:23,720
Speaker 2: That great scene in Young Guns where they catch Baker

487
00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:27,200
and Martin, they actually capture them at the at the

488
00:23:27,319 --> 00:23:30,559
river Benda. We don't really know exactly what happened at

489
00:23:30,599 --> 00:23:33,839
that moment. Right, three guys ended up dead. Baker yep,

490
00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:37,079
McCloskey yeah, and Martin right.

491
00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:40,400
Speaker 1: And McCloskey was the guy who had been deputized with

492
00:23:40,519 --> 00:23:43,799
him as one of the regulators. But Billy, we don't

493
00:23:43,839 --> 00:23:47,519
know what happened. But in the movie, Billy says he's

494
00:23:47,559 --> 00:23:49,680
a trader. I know he's a trader. Has been with

495
00:23:49,839 --> 00:23:52,440
the Murphy Dolan gang. Oh yeah, and you see him,

496
00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:55,200
you know, shoot the guy in the forehead point blank.

497
00:23:55,279 --> 00:23:58,000
It's pretty it's intense too. Yeah, that's all that.

498
00:23:58,799 --> 00:23:59,599
Speaker 2: That's not what you did.

499
00:24:01,039 --> 00:24:01,920
Speaker 1: What do you do? What do you do?

500
00:24:02,519 --> 00:24:05,720
Speaker 2: He knows what he did that scene when he blows

501
00:24:05,759 --> 00:24:08,000
that guy at the back of his head out right. Yeah,

502
00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:14,000
they used a little squib and ground hamburger meat gruesome murder.

503
00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:17,400
And so later on in the movie when Alex McSween

504
00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:19,480
gets shot, they don't use any squibs because they're afraid

505
00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:20,440
it is going to be rated r.

506
00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:23,079
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, no, worse. Yeah, like they were. There was

507
00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:25,200
so much blood that they thought they were not going

508
00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:28,920
to get any no kids watching this movie. Okay, So

509
00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:32,480
over to Tombstone, Over Tombstone.

510
00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:34,519
Speaker 5: And hell's come on with me.

511
00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:39,519
Speaker 1: Hells coming with me over to Tombstone. So again we've

512
00:24:39,519 --> 00:24:42,680
got I'll start with our writer again because from what

513
00:24:42,759 --> 00:24:46,799
I've read, he is really the guy behind why this

514
00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:50,680
movie was so good. Okay, he's his name's Kevin Jarry.

515
00:24:51,039 --> 00:24:54,480
He started out as an actor on like Flipper, like

516
00:24:54,559 --> 00:24:55,160
as a kid.

517
00:24:55,359 --> 00:24:56,119
Speaker 2: Really, yeah, he was.

518
00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:59,519
Speaker 1: He was one of the actors on Flipper, but he

519
00:24:59,799 --> 00:25:03,119
was I was totally into Old West and Civil War history,

520
00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:07,599
huge historical you know, just dove into that. And so

521
00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:10,759
he decided to start writing things. And one of the

522
00:25:10,759 --> 00:25:13,799
first things, one of the first screenwriting jobs that he

523
00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:16,559
has is with a movie that you and I both

524
00:25:16,559 --> 00:25:20,200
have talked about before. Okay, Rambo First Blood Part two.

525
00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:24,599
Oh yeah, but Rambo, right, but when we talked about it,

526
00:25:24,599 --> 00:25:27,480
it wasn't Kevin Jarry who had written it. It was yeah,

527
00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:31,160
it was James Cameron exactly. And so I was like, what, okay,

528
00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:33,759
And then even when I had read about James Cameron's script,

529
00:25:33,799 --> 00:25:36,599
Sylvester Stallone was like, yeah, no, none of that was

530
00:25:36,599 --> 00:25:39,200
actually James Cameron stuff. I pretty much did all of that.

531
00:25:39,319 --> 00:25:42,039
So it sounds like Kevin Jari wrote something, and then

532
00:25:42,319 --> 00:25:44,839
James Cameron tried to make that better, and then Sylvester

533
00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:47,880
Stallone said this is still crap and readd the whole

534
00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:48,920
thing anyway.

535
00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:50,039
Speaker 2: That's kind of his m O.

536
00:25:50,279 --> 00:25:55,599
Speaker 1: But yes, yeah, but interestingly, the director on Rambo First

537
00:25:55,640 --> 00:26:00,640
Blood Part two. Yes is George Cosmotos, Yes, who will

538
00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:02,319
come up here in just a little bit, right.

539
00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:05,519
Speaker 2: Right, So who directed Tombstone?

540
00:26:05,599 --> 00:26:06,440
Speaker 1: That's a good question.

541
00:26:06,599 --> 00:26:07,359
Speaker 2: That is a good question.

542
00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:09,440
Speaker 1: We will get to that in just a minute. Okay, Okay.

543
00:26:09,599 --> 00:26:13,079
So Kevin Jari then does another script for this movie

544
00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:18,240
called Glory, which ends up being a huge success historically

545
00:26:18,279 --> 00:26:21,440
accurate and a huge success. It's like the breakout movie

546
00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:26,119
for Denzel Washington. It made Matthew Broderick a real actor

547
00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:28,119
instead of just one of the kid actors. I mean,

548
00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:30,440
it was really well received. And so he's kind of

549
00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:33,119
writing that ladder up and so he's like, Okay, the

550
00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:36,079
next movie I want to do is Dracula.

551
00:26:36,319 --> 00:26:38,039
Speaker 2: Really Yeah? What Yeah?

552
00:26:38,079 --> 00:26:39,680
Speaker 1: He's like, I really want to get it right. I

553
00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:42,519
want to get as much historically accurate as I can.

554
00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:46,039
And so he's like he's diving into the history of

555
00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:50,039
Flat the Impaler, He's going to Transylvan. He spends years

556
00:26:50,079 --> 00:26:53,480
developing the script, and I think he meets Winona writer

557
00:26:53,559 --> 00:26:55,160
at some point he's like, Hey, I think you'd be

558
00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:57,880
great in this movie that I'm writing right now about Dracula.

559
00:26:58,039 --> 00:27:00,839
WHOA And she's like oh, that sounds great. And then

560
00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:05,720
later on she says something to Francis Ford Coppola, who's like, oh, no, no,

561
00:27:05,599 --> 00:27:08,759
don't be in that one, being the one that I'm making. Oh,

562
00:27:08,799 --> 00:27:11,119
and so they and this is something that happens a

563
00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:14,640
lot in Hollywood. They will make two movies about the

564
00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:18,000
same event at the same time, and it's really a

565
00:27:18,079 --> 00:27:21,160
race to the box office. Does that sound familiar right now?

566
00:27:21,279 --> 00:27:23,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, it absolutely happened with Tombstone.

567
00:27:23,319 --> 00:27:25,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. We had Tombstone come out, and then what

568
00:27:26,039 --> 00:27:28,119
like six months later, whyet Rup came out?

569
00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:31,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, whyet Arb with Kevin Costner and Dennis Quaid as

570
00:27:31,519 --> 00:27:32,240
Doc Hollywood.

571
00:27:32,319 --> 00:27:40,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, Doc Hollywood, Doc, Doc Hollywood is agreement.

572
00:27:40,799 --> 00:27:41,440
Speaker 2: I can't believe.

573
00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:46,799
Speaker 1: It's what Michael Jus performances. I think I liked it

574
00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:50,920
best when he said, you're a daisy if you do

575
00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:53,640
Doc Holliday. Yeah, my gosh, thank you very much.

576
00:27:55,559 --> 00:27:58,200
Speaker 2: So, uh what podcast am I on here?

577
00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:05,160
Speaker 1: And so he is devastated, right like the Francis Ford

578
00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:09,279
Coppola is making Dracula and basically the studio says, sorry,

579
00:28:09,319 --> 00:28:12,119
we're pulling the plug. I mean he was in like

580
00:28:12,319 --> 00:28:14,720
Middle Europe at the time doing research and I like

581
00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:16,759
to we'll pulling the plug. And so, like years of

582
00:28:16,839 --> 00:28:21,039
his time down, the dream sucks. So he comes back devastated,

583
00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:24,000
but he rallies and says, Okay, I'm gonna do an

584
00:28:24,039 --> 00:28:26,319
Old West script. That's what I want to do right,

585
00:28:26,559 --> 00:28:27,799
and I want to do it right. I want to

586
00:28:27,799 --> 00:28:30,599
get it historically accurate. And so he enlists the help

587
00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:34,160
of a guy named Jeff Moray and another guy named

588
00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:36,240
Jim Dunham. All Right, He's like, I want to get

589
00:28:36,279 --> 00:28:39,839
this as close to right as I can, and again

590
00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:45,480
spends months years getting this script developed. And while he's talking,

591
00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:48,000
Jim Dunham says to him, he says, Hey, I don't

592
00:28:48,039 --> 00:28:52,079
know if you've read the Walter noble Burns book called Tombstone,

593
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:55,039
but if you're going to cover the confrontation scene between

594
00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:57,839
Doc Holliday and Johnny Ringo, be sure to use the

595
00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:00,440
line I'm your Hookleberry. That's my game.

596
00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:01,079
Speaker 2: Okay.

597
00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:03,920
Speaker 1: So that line came from the book Tombstone by Walter

598
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:04,680
noble Burns.

599
00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:05,119
Speaker 2: Interesting.

600
00:29:05,279 --> 00:29:08,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, So then later Kevin asked Jeff, He's like, you know,

601
00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:10,759
I'm trying to find the motivation on these guys. I

602
00:29:10,759 --> 00:29:13,279
can get the facts, but I'm not sure about the motivation.

603
00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:18,200
And I can't figure out why Wyatt liked Doc And

604
00:29:18,319 --> 00:29:21,079
Jeff said, I think it's because he made him laugh.

605
00:29:21,359 --> 00:29:24,759
Speaker 2: I think that's genius. Oh yeah, the Alchemist's performance is

606
00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:34,440
Doc hollo Day as Doc Holliday is phenomenal. Why whatever

607
00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:35,079
do you mean?

608
00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:38,279
Speaker 1: Maybe popas is not your game?

609
00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:38,720
Speaker 2: Laughter?

610
00:29:41,279 --> 00:29:44,599
Speaker 1: I know, let's have a spelling contest.

611
00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:46,200
Speaker 2: And he's hilarious.

612
00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:49,480
Speaker 1: Absolutely, yes, I mean he he makes you laugh. He's

613
00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:52,759
saying things in this deadband way without a smile, and

614
00:29:52,839 --> 00:29:53,640
he's hysterical.

615
00:29:53,799 --> 00:29:56,160
Speaker 2: If you haven't seen have you seen the documentary called

616
00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:58,880
val I haven't seen it yet. Oh it's fantastic. And

617
00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:02,039
in fact, I went back after watching that documentary, I

618
00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:07,079
watched Tombstone and the Doors and Top Gun. Oh yeah,

619
00:30:07,119 --> 00:30:08,640
his range is amazing.

620
00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:12,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a tragedy. So another guy who's of importance,

621
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:14,920
this is this is some good stuff here that you

622
00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:17,880
remember the character Texas Jack Vermilion. He's the guy with

623
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:20,720
like the longer hair when the Yeah, okay, so that

624
00:30:20,839 --> 00:30:25,160
actor's name is Peter Shaiko. Okay, but he's also a

625
00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:28,240
Western historian, like they stuck him in this part. But

626
00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:31,680
really he's more. He's more behind the scenes kind of guy,

627
00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:35,240
and so his job was to get the guns for

628
00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:38,519
all of the characters, and so, like they because of

629
00:30:38,559 --> 00:30:41,559
what happened with Dracula, Kevin Jarry didn't want anybody to

630
00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:43,440
know what kind of script he was working on because

631
00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:45,400
he didn't want anybody to come in and steal it

632
00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:46,200
out from under him.

633
00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:47,720
Speaker 2: Again like Kevin Costner.

634
00:30:47,519 --> 00:30:51,519
Speaker 1: Exactly, okay, and so he's like keeping things secret, but

635
00:30:51,559 --> 00:30:53,559
he has to, you know, get things from different people.

636
00:30:53,599 --> 00:30:56,440
He's looking for guns in the situation, and finally he

637
00:30:56,480 --> 00:30:59,640
gives Peter Shariko an idea of that they're making a

638
00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:02,799
movie to shootout at the OK Corral, right, Okay. He's like,

639
00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:05,640
I need the guns for these guys. And he's like, okay,

640
00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:08,559
no problem. I know that Doc Holliday carried a seven

641
00:31:08,599 --> 00:31:12,720
and a half inch colt and Kevin Jarry's like, uh no,

642
00:31:12,759 --> 00:31:15,240
it's too big. He's like, what I thought you said

643
00:31:15,279 --> 00:31:16,880
you want to be historically actor. He goes, I do,

644
00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:18,920
but I also wanted to be able to twirl the

645
00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:21,359
gun a little bit. And that's too big, right, And

646
00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:25,519
he's like, okay, well that was also Ringo's gun. He's

647
00:31:25,519 --> 00:31:27,079
like oh yeah, I want Ringo to do a lot

648
00:31:27,079 --> 00:31:30,079
of twirling. So can you change both of those two

649
00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:32,640
like a four and a three quarter inch or something

650
00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:34,359
like that. He's like, all right, fine, as what we do.

651
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:36,039
And so that's what they end up with is the

652
00:31:36,079 --> 00:31:38,279
shorter guns they can do their fancy twirling right. And

653
00:31:38,319 --> 00:31:40,680
then it happens again, like he's like, Okay, well, what's

654
00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:43,720
what gun is Sheriff bi Han going to have. He's like, listen,

655
00:31:43,759 --> 00:31:46,839
he was a dapper guy. I think that probably he's

656
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:49,480
going to get the most recent gun that's out there

657
00:31:49,559 --> 00:31:51,359
for sheriffs at the time, since he's a sheriff and

658
00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:55,799
there was this four inch sheriff's model. And Jerry again says, no,

659
00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:57,519
I want him to have like a dainty gun. I

660
00:31:57,559 --> 00:32:01,640
want like those tiny guns. He's like. So he goes

661
00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:04,279
to this place in Orange County called Little John's, which

662
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:06,920
has the old West guns, you know, like the high

663
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:09,640
end guns that you can get, and the guy John

664
00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:12,400
that Little John's John is like, hey, we we've got

665
00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:14,319
an auction coming up. You should check it out. I

666
00:32:14,319 --> 00:32:16,359
think there'd be some stuff you'd be interested in. He's like, okay,

667
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:18,799
He's like, here's the catalog. He starts flipping through the catalog.

668
00:32:19,359 --> 00:32:23,559
They have the original B hand gun, like the actual

669
00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:27,400
gun that Sheriff Behn owned is coming up for auction

670
00:32:27,759 --> 00:32:31,240
and it's the exact model that Peter Sireko was trying

671
00:32:31,279 --> 00:32:33,640
to convince Kevin jar to use. So he's like, I

672
00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:35,519
need to take this, and he drives all the way

673
00:32:35,559 --> 00:32:38,279
back to Jarr's house and he just holds it open

674
00:32:38,319 --> 00:32:40,519
for him in front of him, and Jarr's like, okay,

675
00:32:40,559 --> 00:32:41,599
we can use that gun.

676
00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:42,000
Speaker 5: Wow.

677
00:32:42,279 --> 00:32:43,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's fantastic.

678
00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:47,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, So who did We've touched it already. You

679
00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:49,519
know who Kevin Jarry wanted to play wi at.

680
00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:53,000
Speaker 2: Ar Kevin Costner. Yeah, that's what I mean, what happened

681
00:32:53,039 --> 00:32:53,599
with that thing?

682
00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:56,799
Speaker 1: Okay? So Kostner had been in Silverado in eighty five,

683
00:32:56,880 --> 00:32:58,880
which is I mean, you look at the eighties, there

684
00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:02,559
are very few Western movies that are inequality, right, but

685
00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:05,400
Silverado is one of them, and it was Kevin Costner's

686
00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:08,119
breakout performance, right, And then obviously he ends up doing

687
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:09,160
very well in the genre.

688
00:33:09,319 --> 00:33:10,839
Speaker 2: Later on he moves on to baseball.

689
00:33:11,119 --> 00:33:13,480
Speaker 1: Well, but I mean he's still he's got open range,

690
00:33:13,519 --> 00:33:16,839
he's got dances with wolves, I mean it's he's good

691
00:33:16,839 --> 00:33:17,960
at doing the cowboys stuff.

692
00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:21,240
Speaker 2: He is doing. It's baseballs and cowboys.

693
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:24,079
Speaker 1: Cowboys reminds me when he shows up to one of

694
00:33:24,079 --> 00:33:27,799
the producer's house, he's in the bomber jacket and the

695
00:33:27,799 --> 00:33:30,079
baseball cap and it's supposed to be talking about a

696
00:33:30,119 --> 00:33:32,240
wider script and all he's got is a bottle of

697
00:33:32,279 --> 00:33:34,880
Stowly vodka. He's like, please tell me, you guys have

698
00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:37,319
some orange juice. And all he did was sit there

699
00:33:37,319 --> 00:33:39,480
and make screw drivers all day. The scrived it all

700
00:33:40,599 --> 00:33:43,960
sidebar anyway, so he calls up Kevin Costner, and there

701
00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:47,000
are a lot of conflicting stories about how this actually

702
00:33:47,039 --> 00:33:50,359
all played out, but the clear thing is that Kevin

703
00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:54,319
Costner says, no, no, thank you. What we get from

704
00:33:54,319 --> 00:33:58,279
both Kevin Costner and from Kevin Jari is Kevin Costner

705
00:33:58,559 --> 00:34:01,160
had already been working on a He had this idea

706
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:04,640
for like a big mini series about Wyat's life, and

707
00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:06,279
so he was like, I don't want to do this.

708
00:34:06,519 --> 00:34:09,159
I want to do mine. Mine's good and yours is okay, right,

709
00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:11,440
which he also said he didn't read it, so it

710
00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:14,440
didn't really make any sense. But anyway, he's out before

711
00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:16,039
you move on from Kevin Costner, gohead.

712
00:34:16,159 --> 00:34:19,599
Speaker 2: You know what role Kevin Costner stole from Kurt Russell.

713
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:23,159
Speaker 1: Yes, we've talked about it in our previous episode on

714
00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:25,000
Bulderham Versus Major League.

715
00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:28,440
Speaker 2: I find that fascinating. Kurt Russell really wanted the part

716
00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:31,639
of Crash Davis in Bull Durham, right, Kevin Costner took

717
00:34:31,639 --> 00:34:32,320
it right.

718
00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:35,800
Speaker 1: Kurt Russell was a professional baseball player, I know, I know,

719
00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:37,320
and he did get the part.

720
00:34:37,639 --> 00:34:39,719
Speaker 2: Kevin Costner was not the best player in his high

721
00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:42,960
school team, right, and so you got to think that

722
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:45,679
there's some satisfaction Kurt Russell taking over this movie and

723
00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:48,280
just killing Kevin Costner at the movie theater.

724
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:51,960
Speaker 1: Apparently it was Apparently on the set there were two

725
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:53,960
things you didn't talk about in front of Kurt Russell.

726
00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:59,360
One was machine Rain and the other was Kevin Costner.

727
00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:00,719
Speaker 2: Really.

728
00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:05,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, Now they ended up doing twenty thousand miles to Graceland. Yeah, exactly?

729
00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:07,320
How about that they made up? I guess, you know,

730
00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:11,079
I became drinking buddies or whatever would bury the hatchet.

731
00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:17,559
So Kevin Jari has written this epic, awesome, historically accurate

732
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:23,559
script and he is slated to direct. Okay, Okay, so.

733
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:25,719
Speaker 2: This is interesting. We're getting into it now, right.

734
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:28,880
Speaker 1: So he's picking out people, right. One of the actors

735
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:30,719
that gets the script is a guy that we've talked

736
00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:35,760
about also, Michael Bean. Yeah, and so he Michael Bean's like,

737
00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:38,480
I would like to be Doc Holliday please because that

738
00:35:38,519 --> 00:35:41,320
looks like an awesome part, right, And they're like, okay,

739
00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:43,719
we'll let him know, and they're like, okay, Val Kilmer

740
00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:45,920
is probably gonna do that. When he's like, well, crap, okay,

741
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:48,880
I'm not a wait the guy who Vlkilmer is against

742
00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:51,000
the guy who Doc Hollidays against Johnny Ringo. Can I

743
00:35:51,039 --> 00:35:52,760
have that part? And they're like, yeah, you can, you

744
00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:55,880
can have that part. Okay. So he meets with Kevin

745
00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:59,199
Jarr and this is interesting. Kevin Jari tells him that, like,

746
00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:01,719
this is like a piece that he's writing for his girlfriend.

747
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:05,239
Lisa's aym Like, he's like, I want her to be Josie.

748
00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:08,360
She was into movies with Rob Low and James Spader.

749
00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:10,800
She was kind of, you know, on the fringe of

750
00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:14,880
being somebody interesting. But he wanted her to be play

751
00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:17,800
the part of Josie in this one. Yeah. So he

752
00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:20,360
tells that to Michael Bean. Michael Bean's like, yeah, this

753
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:22,840
is great. This guy's got passionate about the script. I'm

754
00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:24,920
excited to be a part of it. And he ends

755
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:27,280
up writing to Tucson with Powers Booth and he says,

756
00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:30,360
Powers Booth is hilarious. Just told stories the whole time,

757
00:36:30,679 --> 00:36:34,559
told about how when they were shooting Extreme Prejudice he

758
00:36:34,639 --> 00:36:37,840
lost the weekend with Nick Nolty. And when he says that,

759
00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:40,960
he's like, I was it was Friday afternoon. I was

760
00:36:41,039 --> 00:36:44,000
going to his trailer to say bye, you know, have

761
00:36:44,039 --> 00:36:52,639
a good weekend, bye bye, well bye, And he says

762
00:36:52,679 --> 00:36:55,039
in the next thing that I knew it was Monday

763
00:36:55,039 --> 00:36:56,599
morning and they were knocking on the trailer door and

764
00:36:56,639 --> 00:36:58,280
he was up ready to go to this film again.

765
00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:01,039
Speaker 2: Why does that not so?

766
00:37:01,199 --> 00:37:03,719
Speaker 1: Michael Bean arrives at the reading, right, they are all

767
00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:05,840
there and tuson to do the reading together. He's pretty

768
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:08,440
much the whole cast is there, and he says he

769
00:37:08,679 --> 00:37:12,199
and Bell Kilmer are sizing each other up from the

770
00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:16,079
get go, right, but he says, I had not taken

771
00:37:16,119 --> 00:37:18,480
the time or I hadn't found the time to learn

772
00:37:18,559 --> 00:37:22,159
the correct pronunciation of the Latin right. He said, Val

773
00:37:22,679 --> 00:37:24,639
not only knew how to pronounce it, he knew what

774
00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:28,480
it all meant. Ah, And he was like, yeah, I'm

775
00:37:28,559 --> 00:37:30,760
losing this battle. And like as soon as he has

776
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:34,760
that thought, somebody projectile vomits all over the table. And

777
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:37,679
reading it's over, he's like, okay, I got some time

778
00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:43,159
to catch up here. So at the beginning, Kurt Russell

779
00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:46,000
is saying, hey, this is a great script, but it's

780
00:37:46,039 --> 00:37:48,760
too long. We need to cut twenty pages of this,

781
00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:51,559
and Kevin Jarry was like, no, we're not going to

782
00:37:51,639 --> 00:37:53,559
cut it. I've got this. This is my dream piece,

783
00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:55,599
this is my whole life. I'm not going to let

784
00:37:55,599 --> 00:37:59,360
this happen, right, And what ends up happening is Kevin

785
00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:05,760
Jarry making like this john Ford esque super long, stately

786
00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:10,800
and slow, old kind of western right, and it sucks. Yeah,

787
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:13,199
he's doing these long shots and I mean not only

788
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:16,320
long in time, but like far away, so you don't

789
00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:19,159
have coverage, you can't do good, you don't have your

790
00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:23,360
editing options to do this, and so that's frustrating the producers.

791
00:38:23,639 --> 00:38:27,039
And then he is being like my way or the

792
00:38:27,119 --> 00:38:29,880
highway to everybody, cast and crew, and he's a first

793
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:32,880
time director. This is the first movie he's ever directed,

794
00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:37,639
and he's like, Kurt Russell, shut up, shut up, you

795
00:38:37,679 --> 00:38:44,880
can go to him. You think sorry, After like four weeks,

796
00:38:45,159 --> 00:38:48,960
everybody is despising Kevin Jarry, and Michael Bean says, like,

797
00:38:49,119 --> 00:38:52,039
four weeks in, I pull onto my trailer. I'm like, listen, dude,

798
00:38:52,199 --> 00:38:56,960
Filmmaking is a collaborative art, right, you can't just not

799
00:38:57,199 --> 00:38:59,199
listen to everybody. But he said it was too late,

800
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:01,880
fired him on f D and so the last thing

801
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:05,239
that he sees is Kevin Jarr with like this soul

802
00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:08,519
crushing look on his face in the hotel with his

803
00:39:08,639 --> 00:39:10,360
bags packed out the door.

804
00:39:10,519 --> 00:39:14,559
Speaker 2: Oh man, that's fascinating, though I've never heard that story.

805
00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:18,840
Speaker 1: So your original question, who directed it? Well, once this

806
00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:20,159
is done, they don't even know if the movie's going

807
00:39:20,199 --> 00:39:21,800
to keep going or not. Right, they've been shooting for

808
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:23,960
four weeks. They decide they're not going to use any

809
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:26,920
of Kevin Jarry's shots. They're going to start basically over

810
00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:30,559
from scratch. And so Kurt Russell and one of the

811
00:39:30,599 --> 00:39:34,440
producers named Jim Jacks, they get together and start working

812
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:37,000
on the script and they cut out the twenty pages

813
00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:40,880
and Kurt Russell has said what I did to maintain

814
00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:44,079
the script and still cut out these huge chunks was

815
00:39:44,079 --> 00:39:48,199
to cut my own part. Yeah, that's interesting. But like

816
00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:51,199
Robert Burke, he was fifth built, like he was built

817
00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:55,719
above Bill Paxson and Sam Elliott. Yeah, but you don't

818
00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:57,960
hear any lines from him because they cut all of

819
00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:01,480
those parts, and so that became a little bit strange.

820
00:40:01,679 --> 00:40:03,239
They brought in the guy we talked about a little

821
00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:07,119
while ago, George Kus Mottos. Huh, Well, people just said

822
00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:11,480
he was a jackass, like he was overbearing. They actually

823
00:40:11,519 --> 00:40:15,800
had to pay, like the studio had to pay forty

824
00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:21,199
thousand dollars in fines because of his abusive conduct. Michael

825
00:40:21,199 --> 00:40:25,039
Bean said he saw he saw this happen, like when

826
00:40:25,079 --> 00:40:28,880
they were shooting the opening wedding party scene. Yes, because

827
00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:32,800
Mottos says to one of the Hispanic extras standing next

828
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:35,360
to Michael Bean, tell that Mexican with the big tis

829
00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:41,519
to take two steps forward, and this guy.

830
00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:42,119
Speaker 2: Got in trouble.

831
00:40:42,199 --> 00:40:45,840
Speaker 1: What are you talking about, right? Yeah, And he says

832
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:48,639
what has been said that is true is that he

833
00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:51,880
didn't really direct this. Michael Bean said he had said

834
00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:54,559
three words to the guy. He said hello to him

835
00:40:54,559 --> 00:40:58,639
at the beginning and at the end he said off like,

836
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:01,199
it was not a good relationship that this guy had

837
00:41:01,199 --> 00:41:03,719
with the cast. But Kurt Russell was really the guy

838
00:41:04,159 --> 00:41:06,760
doing this stuff. If you look at the Wikipedia page,

839
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:09,119
you're not going to get this information. What you're going

840
00:41:09,159 --> 00:41:12,719
to get from Wikipedia was I'm quoting here. The new

841
00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:17,480
director brought a demanding and hard nosed sensibility. Yeah, no,

842
00:41:17,639 --> 00:41:18,119
he didn't.

843
00:41:18,639 --> 00:41:19,480
Speaker 2: This is fascinating.

844
00:41:19,599 --> 00:41:20,280
Speaker 1: He was a jerk.

845
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:23,000
Speaker 2: I really wanted you to say that, Michael Bean. His

846
00:41:23,119 --> 00:41:25,239
last two words were well back.

847
00:41:29,039 --> 00:41:32,039
Speaker 1: So when posed with the question to Michael Bean, He's like,

848
00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:35,320
did Kurt Russell really direct this? And Michael Bean said, well,

849
00:41:35,719 --> 00:41:39,280
it indirect me And I don't mean that insensitively. I'm

850
00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:41,559
not saying he's a bad guy. The film wouldn't have

851
00:41:41,599 --> 00:41:45,440
happened but for him getting involved and taking over and leading, right,

852
00:41:45,519 --> 00:41:48,360
he said, But he understood that we were all quality

853
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:50,400
actors and he let us do our job, and that's

854
00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:51,679
how this movie got made.

855
00:41:52,079 --> 00:41:55,199
Speaker 2: The cast of Tombstone is really, I mean, super strong.

856
00:41:55,239 --> 00:41:56,119
Speaker 1: It's top notch.

857
00:41:56,239 --> 00:41:59,320
Speaker 2: I mean you got Kurt Russell, yep, you got Val Kilner, yep,

858
00:41:59,519 --> 00:42:02,920
you got ours Booth and Michael Bean you've got Dana Delaney,

859
00:42:03,519 --> 00:42:08,159
You've got Stephen Lange, underrated bad guy, Bill Paxson, Sam Elliott,

860
00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:11,519
Charlton Heston, Charlton Heston, Charlton freaking Hasten.

861
00:42:11,639 --> 00:42:14,719
Speaker 1: Oh, Johnny Ringo had a scene with Charlton Helston's character

862
00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:17,519
Henry Hucker, but it was filmed by Kevin Jari, so

863
00:42:17,559 --> 00:42:18,199
they had to cut it.

864
00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:21,519
Speaker 2: Well, I got some names for you, Okay. So the

865
00:42:21,559 --> 00:42:25,039
cast is phenomenal, right, I mean the brothers, I mean

866
00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:29,000
Kurt Russell, Bill Paxon, Sam Elliott. I mean I believe

867
00:42:29,039 --> 00:42:31,559
that those guys would walk down and clubbed me with

868
00:42:31,639 --> 00:42:34,480
the heel of their gun, you know, absolutely all right.

869
00:42:34,679 --> 00:42:38,800
So one of the original thoughts about casting Doc Holliday,

870
00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:42,480
Ye William Dafoe, that woun entire how about that? You

871
00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:46,519
know why he didn't get no because Buena Vista was

872
00:42:46,599 --> 00:42:49,920
too scared because he had just kind of recently been

873
00:42:50,039 --> 00:42:52,960
in Last Tentpation of Christ m For those of you

874
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:55,239
who hasn't seen that or don't remember that, that was

875
00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:59,920
very controversial movie about the life of Jesus. Right, Mickey

876
00:43:00,119 --> 00:43:04,159
Rourke was discussed to play Johnny Ringo. Okay, at that time,

877
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:07,599
I could see it. Maybe Robert Mitcham was supposed to

878
00:43:07,599 --> 00:43:10,519
be old Man Clanton, like the Robert Mitcham.

879
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:12,719
Speaker 1: Right, Well, Robert Mitcham was the one that had done

880
00:43:12,719 --> 00:43:15,840
the narrating, right well, yeah, it was that was him

881
00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:16,719
narrating the beginning.

882
00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:18,880
Speaker 2: The reason why he's the narrator and not in it

883
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:20,760
is because he told off the horse and broke his back.

884
00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:23,159
Oh gosh.

885
00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:23,679
Speaker 1: Uh.

886
00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:28,880
Speaker 2: And also longtime Western actor Glenn Ford was supposed to

887
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:33,840
be Marshall White. Hmmmn, I mean you talk about I

888
00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:37,559
mean Rob Mitcham and Glenn Ford and Charlton Heston the

889
00:43:37,639 --> 00:43:41,559
cast freaking unbelievable. But I wanted to point out Michael

890
00:43:41,599 --> 00:43:44,320
Bean and Bill Paxton had been in The Lords of

891
00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:48,320
Discipline together. Yeah, and they had also been in Terminator.

892
00:43:48,559 --> 00:43:50,400
Speaker 1: This is I'm going to tell the story now. This

893
00:43:50,519 --> 00:43:55,000
is actually the fifth movie that they were in together. Fifth, yeah,

894
00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:58,079
he said. But Michael Bean said it was weird. They

895
00:43:58,119 --> 00:44:02,119
would faction off like the herps. The actors playing the

896
00:44:02,159 --> 00:44:04,599
IRPs would go do their own thing, and the actors

897
00:44:04,639 --> 00:44:07,880
playing the cowboys would go do their and they they

898
00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:10,599
formed their own clicks. He's like, I've been in this

899
00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:13,840
five movies with Bill Packson and we barely spoke the

900
00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:16,320
entire time, like we had dinner one night and ended

901
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:16,719
it early.

902
00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:18,480
Speaker 2: That's crazy, man, that's crazy.

903
00:44:18,559 --> 00:44:20,559
Speaker 1: But I mean I can see it, like the I

904
00:44:20,559 --> 00:44:22,800
can see the camaraderie of the Cowboys. I can see

905
00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:26,440
the brotherly love of the IRPs. That something to it,

906
00:44:26,519 --> 00:44:28,440
you know, hang out with the people that you're supposed

907
00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:30,639
to be close with in the movie to create that yond.

908
00:44:31,039 --> 00:44:34,400
Speaker 2: It's kind of like the Greasers and the Soshi, right,

909
00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:37,320
the Jets and the Shark. So those five movies are

910
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:40,920
Lords of Discipline, Yeah, Terminator, Yeah, Aliens splashback to her

911
00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:46,199
Aliens episode, Yeah, Navy Seals and Tombstone Yeah boom. All right,

912
00:44:46,239 --> 00:44:48,159
you ready talk cast on young Guns.

913
00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:50,760
Speaker 1: So before we move on to the casting of Young

914
00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:53,519
Guns and Young Guns too, I got a couple of

915
00:44:53,639 --> 00:44:55,760
interesting cast members for you. Are you ready for this?

916
00:44:55,840 --> 00:44:56,039
Speaker 2: Yeah?

917
00:44:56,119 --> 00:45:00,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, So the part of Billy Claiborne in Tombstone played

918
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:04,440
by Wyatt the Third And I know you don't know

919
00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:08,519
this because I asked you beforehand, Ed Ed Bailey the

920
00:45:08,559 --> 00:45:11,639
guy at the beginning, Yes, why Ed? Does this mean

921
00:45:11,679 --> 00:45:22,320
we are not friends? Yeah? Played by mister frank Stallone.

922
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:25,840
Speaker 2: I did not even recognize him.

923
00:45:26,079 --> 00:45:27,840
Speaker 1: I know, right, I saw that and I was like,

924
00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:30,400
who was who was Frank Stallone in this? And I'm

925
00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:33,480
like him, I'm like, oh my gosh, if you, you know,

926
00:45:33,559 --> 00:45:35,880
take away the feathered hair and you stick a mustache on.

927
00:45:36,079 --> 00:45:38,679
Speaker 2: But yeah, when you sus you said that, I'm like,

928
00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:40,320
absolutely in a great part.

929
00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:44,840
Speaker 6: Does a great job, que the more than over music,

930
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:52,760
Frank Stallone?

931
00:45:55,519 --> 00:45:56,920
Speaker 1: All right, that's all I got. That's all I got

932
00:45:56,920 --> 00:45:58,639
on the cast, so we can keep going.

933
00:45:58,679 --> 00:45:59,079
Speaker 2: All right.

934
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Speaker 1: I will have to say, it's interesting that we just

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did that and we did not talk about Dana Delaney

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at all.

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Speaker 2: Let's hey, okay, let's talk about Dan Lane.

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Speaker 1: Okay. Now, remember this part was supposed to go to

939
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Kevin Jerry's girlfriend Lisa's name. Obviously that didn't happen. They

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mixed that idea.

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Speaker 2: Okay, you have Kurt Russell, Val Kilmer, Charlton Asta, Yeah,

942
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Stephen Lane, Powers Booth, Michael Ban, Bill Pass. The cast

943
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was outstanding. What do you think about Dan Delaney?

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Speaker 1: So what I'm reading, I'm going back to when I

945
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texted you. Okay, so last night at I'm sorry, this morning,

946
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at two of five am, I texted you I'm really

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thankful for the love story parts of Tombstone so that

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I know when I can get up to leave and

949
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get something to eat or look up something on IMDb. Awful.

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Speaker 2: The love story I told you is really an anchor

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around the neck of Tombstone.

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Speaker 1: Really is.

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Speaker 2: It doesn't sink the movie, but it drags in. I

954
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don't think they have any chemistry at all.

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Speaker 1: I'm in the I'm in the kitchen microwaving, and I'm like, better, look,

956
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it's still not over. I got I got out on

957
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her stage performance. I got out on the accidental meeting

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as they're riding horses. So I saved myself the agony

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of that.

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Speaker 2: By the way, we forgot to mention Billy zaying yeah

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and Jason Priestley Jason Priestley.

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Speaker 1: What, Yeah, So Jason Priestley, there's something there. I'm gonna

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touch that real quick since she s brought it up.

964
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So Jason Priestley was friends with the cowboys and had

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gotten deputized by the sheriff, right right, Well, his character

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is Billy Breckinridge. Billy Breckinridge wrote a book about whyaet

967
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Art and it was not a flattering book like it

968
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was the other side, and his widow did everything she

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could to stop it, but it became one of the

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most famous books about Wyatt Art and it was not

971
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a rosy colored picture of him. Wow. Yeah Wow.

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Speaker 2: Back to Dana Delaney, Yes, sorry, okay, they gave us

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nothing with her. You and I talked.

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Speaker 1: About there's no passion at all in this thing, no

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passion at all, And you've got a little bit of

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like sexiness when she's in there taking the photograph.

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Speaker 2: Is there sexiness?

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Speaker 1: You have a little bit of an attempt at sexiness

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whenever she's in there taking the photograph right before the

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shootout at the OK Corral.

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Speaker 2: Which let's just talk about. Yeah, to me, that was

982
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very interesting that actually happened right.

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Speaker 1: Like she's in that dark lacy thing. Yes, you sent

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me a picture today.

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Speaker 2: You can look it up on the internet. Yes, you

986
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get better look of Josie Erp than you do Dan

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de Delaney, absolutely, And Josie Rp was bringing the heat

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back then. Man for a woman.

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Speaker 1: I can see why he was like distracted, was sure, yeah, sure.

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Speaker 2: So danan Delaney can be sexy in this movie. Munch nothing, no, nothing.

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Speaker 1: Okay, guys, we're gonna have to stop now. We will

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come back next week for part two of Tombston Versus

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Young Guns one and two. Be sure to tune in

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and hit your subscribe button so that you don't miss

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the episode when it comes out on Tuesday, where we

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get into some of the coolest facts behind these business.

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Speaker 2: When we come back, Hell's coming with us. You don't

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Hell come in with me.