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She's a reporter at the North State Journal at sjonline
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to the Story over on substack. Ap, How are you welcome?
Speaker 3: Thanks Pete, thanks for having me. How are you doing.
Speaker 2: I'm doing all right. I cannot complain. So you got
a piece at the North State Journal. This is about
a school choice program that was part of the Big
Beautiful bill, and the North Care one General Assembly says, Oh, yes,
we would very much like to participate in this school
choice program from the federal government. Josh Stein, however, not
a fan, not a fan, vetoed it right, So tell
us what is this well, what is the impact that
this federal legislation would have on the school choice in
North Carolina.
Speaker 3: Well, it's a federal tax credit and it would allow
citizens to claim up to seventeen hundred dollars in tax
credits for donations given to organizations that are scholarship granting
for school choice programs like the Opportunity Scholarship program. So
it wouldn't cost North Carolina anything to do this, and
it seems like it would also stack with the Opportunity
Scholarship program, so it would be sort of a double
win for families who are struggling to afford private school
or you know, to ease that burden. And Stein said
that he doesn't want to do this right now. His
VITA message was fairly long, but the second half of
it says that he sees opportunities for the federal scholarship
donation tax credit program to benefit North Carolina public school
kids once the federal government issues sound guidance, I intend
to option North Carolina in so he can invest in
public school students that need the most in after school programs, tutoring,
and other resources. Therefore, this bill is unnecessary and ibutoa okay,
So there you have it.
Speaker 2: It says, I see the opportunities for the Federal Scholarship
Donation tax.
Speaker 1: Credit to benefit the public school kids.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so is that because the tax credit and just
reading through this thing you've got written, it says under
the program, US citizens and residents can claim up to
seventeen hundred dollars annually for cash contributions to scholarship granting organizations,
which in turn fund scholarships for eligible K twelve students.
So is like, I don't understand why this why he
would see this as connected to public schools.
Speaker 3: It's not to be scholarship granting programs would be granting,
would be giving out things like the Opportunity Scholarship program
does so would they give out grants for private schools
or you know, I think that homeschools actually might be
able to take advantage of this. The guidance still hasn't
come down on exactly how this is going to work,
but overall, it is a tax credit program. So any
organization that's that's deemed to be one of these scholarship
granting organization organizations and SGO could participate in students from
households with incomes up to three hundred percent of their
area's medium gross income are eligible to participate. That means
the average medium family income in North Carolina is somewhere
around seven hundred seventy eight hundred. That would put the
eligibility range for them approximately up to two hundred and
twelve four hundred. So, you know, in the scholarship granting
organization has to be a five to one C three.
They have to have separate spaces and in separation of
qualified contributions. I have to spend ninety percent of the
income they get through this program on scholarships, prioritizing students
who previously have received or siblings who did have a scholarship.
So you know, it's this This is supposed to be
for school choice. It's not public school, right.
Speaker 1: So why would he put that in that? It doesn't
make any sense. Why would he?
Speaker 3: No, it doesn't. That's why I don't think he understands
what the program really is, and there was some confusion there.
I think that his veto was perhaps a little bit precipitous.
Speaker 2: It could have been maybe veto GPT. Maybe he had
AI write it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it could be yeah, I don't know. You know
that only providing billions and tax giveaways the wealthy parents
line that his predecessor used to use. So maybe he's
just towing that line. I'm not sure.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, maybe it's not just Josh Stein. I mean,
surely there are other Democrats who may you know, want
school choice, you know, for the children. Right, So when
it went through the House and Senate, right, maybe a
couple of Democrats came over to the Republicans on this.
Speaker 3: You know, I'd have to go back and look, but
I think there there actually were a couple because they
recognize that this is a federal text credit and that
this wasn't this wouldn't. I don't know.
Speaker 2: Apt you need to read your You're gonna have to
read your story here, because you've got House concurred with
the Senate substitute by a vote of sixty nine to
forty seven, no Democrats.
Speaker 3: The Senate had trouble with the House. I think the
House was looked at it, but a little bit more closely.
Speaker 2: It says the Senate floor vote was thirty to nineteen
and the House was sixty nine to forty seven, no
Democrats voting in favor in either.
Speaker 3: Okay, well then yeah, there.
Speaker 1: So no Democrats.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not surprising given what we I mean, the
last Democrat that was for school choice became a Republican.
So well, Cecil wasn't Cecil Brockman. Didn't he come around
on some school choice stuff at some point I don't remember.
Speaker 3: I'm not sure so much about him. By I know,
Michael Ray prior to prior to he not maintaining his seat,
he was definitely in favor of school choice. And you know,
I'm looking at the two stories that we're going to
talk about today, and ye had the Stein budget signature
that one.
Speaker 2: Had, the Democratic that had the right, that had enough
right that had because that was what they call a
mini budget. It's sort of it's a continuation budget basically.
And remember a few years ago there were all this
all these concerns about, oh my gosh, they haven't done
a budget yet, what's going to happen? And so they
they had this law that says, well, if we don't
pass a new budget, we just continue on with the
current budget.
Speaker 1: And so over the years, especially when they were fighting.
Speaker 2: With Roy Cooper over school choice and Medicaid expansion stuff,
they would do these little mini budgets and so that yeah, yeah,
so we've got a mini budget that passed. Uh, so
that's going to give the Republican leadership some more breathing
room to craft a budget for final approval in the
next Well.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's been par for the course for the
last I don't know since I can remember, and in
fact that Democrats did the same thing when they were
in power. Yeah, they didn't deliver their budget as of
June thirtieth half the time either, So I mean it
is what it is, and majority of the important provisions
and they're always retroactive back to you know, July one, right, So.
Speaker 1: I've never undergo there, yea.
Speaker 2: And I've never understood like these Democrats that are making
a big deal better, they need to go to get
pass a budget and they need to go back to
work and focus on things that matter. Like people don't
care about this. They like a budget will get passed. Now,
if no budget gets passed and we were running deficits
like at the national level, well even then people don't care.
We keep putting people back in office that that keeps
spending and not doing budgets either. So I don't know
if the American public actually cares if we have a
budget or not. So it's never an issue that moves
the needle, I think, on for the for the voters,
unless you've got crazy spending that you can you know,
like earmarks and stuff like that that you can point to.
Now you mentioned Michael Ray, I mentioned Cecil Brockwell, Cecil Brockman.
And there's another one, Kirk Devier or de vere I
don't know how he pronounces it. But these guys were
targeted by Roy Cooper, my good friend Ray, who would
get primary challenges against them because they would cross him
on vetos and on other legislation. And so we were
kind of wondering, after Roy rode off into the sunset
to then promptly ride back into the sun rise and
run for US Senate, who's going to take up this
mantle of targeting their fellow Democrats. And so you got
a piece at your sub stack. More to the story,
it apparently is going to be the Democrat party chair.
Speaker 1: It seems like, well yeah.
Speaker 3: In an interview with CBS seventeen, she pretty much laid
out that folks who need to know who they're voting for,
and that if you know, they're not going to vote
along the lines that they're supposed to do along with
other Democrats that that maybe there should be a primary challenge,
and that was echoed by seni an oral leader Sydney
Batch in the same story, the CBS seventeen story. So
she said that the bills that they overrode made us
less safe and that is on them. And if they
want to put their head on the pillow tonight and
say that that's what they decided to do for whatever
reason they voted for that, that is literally a consequence
they'll have to deal with if they get a primary it.
Speaker 2: I mean, yes, And they're talking about Carla Cunningham from
Mecklenburg County And I've been covering this. Actually had last week,
I want to say, maybe two weeks ago. I had
Senator tedros On and he said the same thing about
he's a Democrat from Mecklenburg, and he said the same thing,
that this was dangerous and divisive rhetoric because she said
all cultures are not equal. And he said that's dangerous
and divisive, And so I asked him are they all equal?
Speaker 1: Do you disagree or or like? Are they all equal?
Make your case?
Speaker 2: And then he said, well, it's the context of the
bill that we were debating and he danced and danced
around it and whatever. I highly recommend go back and
listen to it. It's like a it did not go
well for him. Okay, it's a John Jills.
Speaker 3: She made some very clear points, though, I thought, So,
she can't go to another country and demand they speak
her language, right, you know, or you know that you know,
she goes to their country and demands all kinds of
benefits and you know, lives on the tax paradigm over there,
whether or not they're committing crimes or not. And I
think that the crime aspect to the bill that she
was talking about, the immigration bill that tightened up loopholes
with ICE and cooperating with Ice and different penalties for
different crimes. I think that you know, she was she
was looking at this as you know, this is common
sense law and order stuff that we should be doing.
This shouldn't be a bipartisan thing. And she refused back
down to her credit, right so.
Speaker 2: And they even tried to silence her when she was
making her statement from the floor. Her colleague dead Butler
tried to tried to cut off all the debate. You
had people in the gallery that started coughing, really loudly
to interrupt her. It's like they're just trying to shut
her down and silence her because she was this dissenting voice.
And the other thing she talked about was sort of
coalition politics and the Democrat Party. You know, you got
all these you know, they you know, people in these
different groups identity politics. And what she also articulated was
this belief that hey, wait a minute, my group, my
identifiable group, is being supplanted by a different group, and
I don't like it very much, and you shouldn't be
telling me to step aside for this other identity group.
And it laid bare like, yeah, this is what you
get when you build your political party around identity politics
rather than an idea. And I think that was also
pretty uncomfortable for the Democrats too.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think so too. There was some news over
the weekend from North State Journal involving our publisher. I
don't know if he happened to Yeah, go.
Speaker 1: Ahead, yeah, Neil Robbins, right.
Speaker 3: Yes, our publisher, Neil Robbins has been tapped by the
Trump administration to be an underset mature at the US
Departments of Agriculture, so he will be transitioning to that
and other folks within our organization will be stepping into
his place as as title of publisher.
Speaker 1: You is it you?
Speaker 3: He's not taking me with him? No?
Speaker 1: No, are you going to be the publisher?
Speaker 3: No? Oh okay, oh gosh, no go yeah no. I'd
rather stick a poker in my eye than deal with
the logistics of what that job entails.
Speaker 1: All right, Well, give our best to Neil.
Speaker 2: We appreciate all the work that he has done over there,
and we appreciate you spending time with us in the
work you do at the North State Journal.
Speaker 1: AP appreciate it absolutely.
Speaker 3: Thanks so much for having me.
Speaker 1: Absolutely. That's AP Dylan.
Speaker 2: You can read her work at the North State Journal
NSJ online dot com and also at her Substack newsletter.
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speaking of the immigration issue and the North Carolina General
Assembly override of the governor's veto that will now force
law enforcement agencies to fully cooperate with ICE. When they
have somebody that's in the jail that is bailing out
and they are an illegal alien, they get a detainer
placed on them, and now they have to contact ICE
and let ICE know this guy's getting ready to leave,
and ICE can say hold on to them for like
forty eight hours.
Speaker 1: What's interesting in all of this?
Speaker 2: And I hadn't even considered it until I read this
story by Ryan Orley over at the Charlotte Observer. Where's
Baby Jesus on this aka Jeff Jackson, the Attorney General
of North Carolina.
Speaker 1: I did not give him that nickname. That was not me. Okay.
Speaker 2: If I'd given him the nickname, it wouldn't have stuck, okay,
because I apparently, like, I've been working on getting the
word votainer adopted universally, and I can't get that done.
Speaker 1: So you know, I couldn't get a nickname done.
Speaker 2: So No, this was a nickname that was given to
him by his fellow Democrats, unnamed, of course, in order
to speak freely off the record or anonymously, I should say.
But Jeff Jackson, former state lawmaker, then was going to
run for US Senate, but then was like, no, I'll
step out of the way for a black woman, Sherry Beasley,
And then he went ran for Congress. He got that
seat after they drew the map so he could win it,
and then they redrew the maps and then he lost it.
And then he ran for Attorney general and he beat
Dan Bishop in that race last year. But Ryan Orley
at the Charlotte Observer reached out and asked the Attorney
General for his thoughts on the bill, and his spokesperson
Ben Conroy said in an email quote, we don't have
anything for you on this. Okay, then, so the top
law enforcement officer has right like the Attorney general has
no thought whatsoever about the state law that Josh Stein
vetoed the General Assembly overrode. He has no thoughts whatsoever
about the the Ice bill, the Ice Cooperation Bill. I mean, okay,
I mean that is I guess, you know, one way
to go. Of course, if people already believe that you
are the Messiah, then you really don't have to do
a whole lot, say a bunch of stuff, you know,
especially when you're real young.
Speaker 1: So hence the nickname. Okay.
Speaker 2: Also, this obviously ties into our illustrious, often frustrated Sheriff
of Mecklenburg County, Gary not my fault McFadden who And
I even asked the Speaker of the House last week.
I asked him during that interview that we did with him,
if he could name the law Gary's Law. It's a
little too late, though, but that's what I'm It will
always be known as Gary's Law to me, okay, because
Gary has made Sheriff. Macfadden has made at a point
to find every single loophole that he can find, and honestly,
he's not finding them. These are people, these are activist
organizations that are you know, giving him legal guidance and
saying here's a way around it, and here's what you
say about it. And he has been playing this game
of you know, whack a mole basically with the General Assembly,
trying to you know, trying to knock it down, and
he keeps popping out in different spots. I found a
loophole here, then they close that one, as oh, I
found a one over here. And so he's running for
reelection next year, not this year, next year. But people
are already lining up to run against him.
Speaker 1: And this is not good. Okay, this is.
Speaker 2: This is not fantastic because the more people you get
that are running in the Democrat primary, the more you're
going to splinter the vote. Now we've got retired Chief
Deputy Rodney Collins. He's spent thirty years with the Mecklinberg
County Sheriff's Office. He is now the third candidate to
enter the ring for the seat currently held by McFadden.
You got CMPD sergeant Ricky Robbins and former Mecklimber County
Detention officer On Twain Nance also running. Now what's interesting
is why does Gary get so many former Sheriff's office
employees to run against him?
Speaker 1: That's kind of weird. Hey, what love of that? Huh?
So many former deputies?
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of them, are gonna splinter the anti Gary vote, and
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mentioned before the break there that we've got now three
candidates that have thrown their name in the hat and
then the hat into the ring. I never know which
one of those to use, so I just used them both.
You know, he can't be too sure. So we got
retired Chief Deputy Rodney Collins, who has launched a campaign
to unseat the incumbent Gary Not my fault McFadden in
the Democrat primary. If McFadden runs again, let's hold out
the hope that he.
Speaker 1: Doesn't run again.
Speaker 2: Maybe he does the right thing here and just says,
you know what, I'm going to step aside. My tenure
has not been the necessarily the best thing for the community,
you know, and so I'm going.
Speaker 1: To step aside. I'm just kidding me. He's not going
to do that. There's no way he's going to do that.
Speaker 2: So Collins, thirty year veteran of the Sheriff's office. You've
got CMPD Sergeant Ricky Robbins, and you've got former Mecklenburg
County Detention officer On Twain Nance or Antoine. It's spelled
Twain like Mark Twain, but an Twain and twain Nance anyway.
So those three are running in again. My concern is
that they're gonna splinter the anti McFadden vote, much like
what happened in the last election cycle in the Democrat primary,
which then also makes me wonder or any of these
candidates running in order to help Gary McFadden, right, they don't, like,
they know they're not going to win, but they're there
to make sure that they splinter anti McFadden votes, I
don't know, and I'm not accusing anybody. I don't have
any information. It's just it raises the possibility that that
could be occurring.
Speaker 1: You never know.
Speaker 2: Speaking of mcphah, we've had.
Speaker 1: Another jail death.
Speaker 2: Another inmate has died after being found unresponsive at the
jail in Mecklenburg County. This was last week, thirty eight
year old man. He had been housed at the jail
since twenty twenty three, so he has he had not
been able to get out for whatever reason, couldn't bond
out or something. They reported. At around noon, the inmate
was found on responsive. Medical staff immediately were notified began
life saving measures. About forty minutes later, he was pronounced dead.
Sheriff McFadden put out a statement and said Mecklumberg County
Sheriff's Office is devastated to announce the death of a
resident because that's what he calls inmates. He calls them
residents who was in our custody and care. We extend
our deepest sympathies to his family and loved ones during
this difficult time. So we don't really know what caused
the guy's death. At least according to this WBTV report. Now,
there was another report over at Queen City News that
McFadden apparently learned of this death from local pastors after
a meeting with them about concerns in the Latino community
or latinx Latinic community whatever, like he so he was indeed,
so his staff did not make him aware that there
was another resident death at his jail. See, this is
what gets him frustrated, he has said in the past,
this is the kind of thing that gets him super frustrated,
and then he has to use the racial slurs against
his command staff. So you guys, you got to come
in now, because you didn't tell him about this. He
had to learn from it from a bunch of pastors
that he was meeting with that were like, I guess, hey,
so what happened this death. I'm assuming maybe the person
who died, the inmate was Hispanic, I guess. And that's
why the pastors knew about the death, because somebody in
one of their congregations told them, and then they asked
McFadden about it, and that's when he learned about it.
And yeah, that's kind of embarrassing. That is two deaths
so far this year. There were zero in twenty twenty four.
The state was paying a lot of attention to their
operations at the time. So McFadden, so far from twenty
nineteen through the present, so six years, he has had
now a total of twenty deaths in the jail, which
is a little over three per year, right, about a
little bit more than three per year, three deaths per
year on average. His predecessor, Erwin Carmichael, in his four
year term he averaged two deaths per year. He had
eight death on his watch. Chip Bailey had eight deaths
on his watch similar amount of time. So McFadden is
obviously pacing higher than his predecessors, even though he will
claim that this is what that's right, not his fault,
not none of this is his fault. It's COVID, it's fentanyl.
It's the lack of a rap studio or recording studio
in the jail, which he has thankfully now corrected. We
now have a recording studio at the jail, So maybe
this will drive down the death count there.
Speaker 1: We'll see. I don't know.
Speaker 2: City of Charlotte's going to be paying up to three
hundred dollars an hour for investigative services from an outside attorney.
That's according to an agreement that was signed by a
city representative earlier.
Speaker 1: Well, this would have been in July.
Speaker 2: This is the story from Nicholas Sullivan, I believe over
at the Charlotte Observer. The hire follows statements from Councilwoman
Victoria Watlington that accused the city of unethical behavior, but
the agreement with the investigative service did not refer to
Watlington's comments or provide an explanation for the services. Patrick Flanagan,
an attorney with the Cranfill Sumner Law firm, will conduct
the investigation for a maximum of twenty five thousand dollars.
Feel good about that taxpayer expense.
Speaker 1: I'm going to go out on.
Speaker 2: A limbit and make a prediction. I don't really like
to do these sorts of things, but I'm going to
say everybody gets cleared. They will find no wrongdoing by anybody,
but will urge them to engage in a more civil way.
That's what I'm thinking happens. The cost does not include
additional out of pocket expenses. Ooh, so we could pay
more such as filing or recording fees, court fees and
research services that will be built to the City. WFAE
reported that Flanagan, we'll interview council members about Watlington's criticisms,
which stemmed from her frustration over how the city handled
that separation agreement with the police chief Johnny Jennings. Council
voted in closed session to pay Jennings over three hundred
thousand dollars back in May because he was threatening to
sue the city because council member Tark Bakari wanted vests
outer carry vests for rank and file cops. Chief said, no,
they don't look nice, they look militarized, they look scary,
and so we don't want those. Bakari said, I'm going
to wage a pr campaign against you and it's going
to tarnish your legacy and this isn't personal, and Jennings said, basically,
you know, bring it on. And then Jennings eventually caved
and got his feelings hurt and then threatened to sue
on what grounds there was a claim of some sort
of defamation, but he never actually filed a lawsuit. Instead,
he just said I'm going to file a lawsuit and
this Charlotte City Council then cave to him and said,
here's a bunch of money, take it early, and then
he's retiring. Now, there was a closed session vote on this.
There are minutes taken of what is discussed and closed session,
and at some point the minutes of those closed session
meetings are eligible to be released to the public.
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So the City of Charlotte has declined to release the
minutes or the transcript, if you will, the notes that
are taken from the closed session two closed door meetings
actually back in May, where city council members discussed and
approved a controversial three hundred five thousand dollars settlement to
Charlotte Mecklaburg police Chief Johnny Jennings, even though the details
of the settlement are already public. This is a piece
over at the Charlotte Ledger Charlotte Ledger dot substack dot com.
The piece is written by Michelle Crouch, who used to
cover city council a long time ago. She was one
of the Charlotte Observer reporters when I was a WBT
reporter when we covered the city council together. Tony Messia
also contributed to this piece. Under North Carolina law, minutes
from closed sessions are public records unless releasing them would
frustrate the purpose of the closed session. However, the city
believes that does not apply in this case. Instead, the
city cited laws protecting personnel records.
Speaker 1: But again po.
Speaker 2: Least Chief Johnny Jennings already released the terms of the agreement,
and what you would learn in the minutes of the
closed door meetings. You would learn the different things that
the city council members were saying. You would hear their discussion.
You would be able to read their discussion. You would
be able to see who entered the meeting at what
time because there's a record kept of that. But you
would also see who left the meeting and at what
time and what votes were taken. See, that's what I
suspect they don't want people to see, because that's the rub.
The agreement was approved after a city council member left
and her vote was recorded as a yes, which is
the rule, and that's always been the rule. People were
outraged when they read this story and they were not
aware of this rule, and they were like, well, that's
going on here, that's corruption. They're like, that's always been
the rule. If you show up in the meeting and
then you leave, that's called that's an unexcused absence. And
then you have every vote after you leave count as
a yes. They're all affirmative votes, and they do that
in order to avoid the very thing that we're seeing
in Texas right now, right with the coorum breaking. So
you don't get to show up, take a vote that
you want to take, and then avoid hard votes later
on in the agenda. So you don't get to abstain.
You got to say yes or no, unless you recuse
yourself for some conflict or whatever.
Speaker 1: But that's it.
Speaker 2: So the city denied a public records request that was
made by the Charlotte Ledger. The payout to Jennings stems
from the messages sent by former council member Tark Bookari
that Jennings said, we're bullying and inappropriate. He also said
it was defamatory somehow. But I don't know how it
would be defamatory if nobody saw the text messages except
you and Tark like, that doesn't make any sense. Jennings
never did follow that lawsuit before the council approved the
settlement of the phantom threatened lawsuit. After weeks of public pressure,
Jennings announced his retirement and the terms of his settlement.
As part of an interview with journalist Michael Graff for
the Charlotte Optimist newsletter, which he publishes. The city has
declined to release other related records, including communications between Jennings
and the city related to the settlement, records that were
requested by the Charlotte Observer.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so that's the Uh Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I think somebody's gonna have to freaking sue them to
get that stuff. Credit where it is due, albeit a
bit late, I'm sorry to say, but the editorial board
at Charlotte Observer back in June, and I have had
this in my stack of prep for a while, but
it's evergreen because I wanted to give them credit headlines.
Charlotte leaders are moving on from the Jennings settlement, but
not so fast. After weeks of secrecy, city leaders have
finally provided some answers about the settlement because Jennings released it.
The city seems to think that providing these details itself
is enough, but those answers have only sparked more questions,
and much about the situation remains unknown. How did the
city decide on this agreement and why? That is a
key question. They are right to raise it. The editorial
board is right to raise it now. I don't know
if they're doing any kind of investigative work to get
the answers to these questions. What laws does Jennings allege
were violated? Another good question? If he threatened legal action
against the city, what did that litigation look like? Would
he have had legitimate grounds to sue the first place?
And if not, why was a settlement recommended? The board
says some transparency is better than none, but the city
still has an obligation to provide a more complete explanation
of what transpired. They're exactly right. While the agreement may
indeed have just been a straightforward separation agreement, the public
cannot be expected to know that if it doesn't understand
why it happened, or if it feels like something is
still being hidden, the suspicion and mistrust could have been
avoided if city leaders had been transparent from the start.
They're exactly right. They're exactly right. Now, you want us
to trust you that this is all the information that
can be reported out with We don't believe you. We
don't believe you because you refuse to talk about this
for so long, and you know people had to just
beat you up in order to get this even confirmed.
So no, yeah, you need to answer a whole bunch
more questions. We'll see if it happens. All right, that'll
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