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<v Speaker 1>Oh, yes, Okay, here we got.

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<v Speaker 2>December nineteenth, twenty twenty four, allegedly, according to that thing

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<v Speaker 2>we call a calendar, you know, thankfully. And I'm saying

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<v Speaker 2>this and nobody knows why. But and maybe I'll explain

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<v Speaker 2>it to you on New Year's Eve or there after.

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<v Speaker 2>But I'm waiting for twenty twenty four to be over.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>Anyway, as I look at the news speeds, as I examine,

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<v Speaker 2>as I constantly do, what is happening domestically, internationally, et cetera,

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<v Speaker 2>What is the significance of these different events that might

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<v Speaker 2>be far far away from over there? You know, sometimes

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<v Speaker 2>we got to spend over there so we don't have

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<v Speaker 2>to spend over here. I know. It sounds like an

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<v Speaker 2>army defense thing right where it's like we gotta fight

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<v Speaker 2>them there. We don't got to fight him here. We're

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<v Speaker 2>not there yet, But I almost feel like a new

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<v Speaker 2>era in the war on Terror is about to happen. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>but is anybody paying attention? Are they all locked up

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<v Speaker 2>into the trumpet sphere? And as to whether he has

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<v Speaker 2>sabotaged or has a great plan for our economy, which

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<v Speaker 2>is a disaster. By the way, Merry Christmas. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>my holiday sucks. I hope that some of yours don't.

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<v Speaker 2>I really do, but I don't see how they don't. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>Look enough for that. I'll get into the finances and

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<v Speaker 2>some other things that are going on toward the end

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<v Speaker 2>of this year soon. How about international incidents, the geopolitical

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<v Speaker 2>and status of the rest of the world, and how

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<v Speaker 2>it's going to affect us and the rest of the world.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh right, the thing is going on over there in

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<v Speaker 2>Israel the Middle East as per usual, and you're yawning

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<v Speaker 2>already stop it, okay, But Syria regime change, this occurred.

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<v Speaker 2>Now we went from what two stars to three stars

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<v Speaker 2>on the flag. But I gotta tell you this is

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<v Speaker 2>a bigger change than just in symbology. I see from

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<v Speaker 2>my perspective that something has happened strategically here, something that's

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<v Speaker 2>going to effect Vladimir Putin, something that's going to affect

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<v Speaker 2>one of the current conflicts on the planet, which, by

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<v Speaker 2>the way, two plus how many months now in Ukraine. Anyway, Syria,

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<v Speaker 2>remember when Trump was in office and we were moving

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<v Speaker 2>to the I think it was the northeastern part of

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<v Speaker 2>the country. Our military assets were because they were going

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<v Speaker 2>to guard oil fields and let them sort it out.

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<v Speaker 2>Apparently they've sorted it out, and Syria is an ally

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<v Speaker 2>of Russia, and Russia was suddenly going to run rampant

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<v Speaker 2>throughout the field there. I guess they were in support

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<v Speaker 2>of the aside regime. Didn't work out too well for

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<v Speaker 2>you there, did it?

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<v Speaker 1>But here we are.

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<v Speaker 2>What is happening in Syria? Why is the news media

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<v Speaker 2>kind of covering it but not really examining what's happening

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<v Speaker 2>or putting it in context on the globe. Okay, we've

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<v Speaker 2>talked a lot of JFK with Larry Hancock recently, but

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<v Speaker 2>there are other things that Larry does pay a great

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<v Speaker 2>deal of attention to and is an excellent analyst with

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<v Speaker 2>outside of the JFK assassination. I mean, you take a

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<v Speaker 2>look at as many many books like Surprise Attack, Shadow Warfare,

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<v Speaker 2>Creating Chaos. These things don't have a lot to do

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<v Speaker 2>with the JFK assassination. Although Surprise Attack and shadow Warfare

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<v Speaker 2>that kind of sounds like you could, but not necessarily. Look,

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<v Speaker 2>there are a lot of things that are occurring in

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<v Speaker 2>spheres of influence, military movements, covert, overt, etc. The global

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<v Speaker 2>politic Djure all of it, and Larry is going to

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<v Speaker 2>help us kind of sort out and put into context

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<v Speaker 2>the things that are occurring in Syria because I need

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<v Speaker 2>somebody to I don't understand it. As I said, I

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<v Speaker 2>see a strategy unfolding. I'm not sure whose it is.

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<v Speaker 2>I see that this has been timed for a particular purpose.

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<v Speaker 2>Do I know what that purpose is? I see that

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<v Speaker 2>there are various leaders who are generally worthy of headlines,

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<v Speaker 2>and you know what those people's strategies are definitely in play.

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<v Speaker 2>But is anybody talking about this or realistically examining it?

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<v Speaker 2>And I don't trust what Seymour Hersh is saying. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>you probably shouldn't anyway as a source. But anyway, it

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<v Speaker 2>is what it is. Larry. I know that that sounded

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<v Speaker 2>a little incoherent, but I feel like it's not. It's

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<v Speaker 2>an accurate description for what it is. We've been fed

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<v Speaker 2>so far. What in the world is going on in Syria?

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<v Speaker 2>How are we supposed to take this? And what are

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<v Speaker 2>the ongoing consequences that we're all going to have to

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<v Speaker 2>be dealing with soon one way or another in the

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<v Speaker 2>international geopolitical spectrum, et cetera. But before we even go there,

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<v Speaker 2>how are you doing tonight.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm doing okay, Chuck. I am ready for Christmas. I

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<v Speaker 3>think I'm ready to take Christmas week is kind of okay.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a good time to set back and relax and

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<v Speaker 3>rest and like look towards your reset, Like you're talking

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<v Speaker 3>about us, like lots of things have happened, we just

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<v Speaker 3>need a pause, need to center ourselves, get ready for

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<v Speaker 3>a while. So the holidays will be a good time

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<v Speaker 3>for centering.

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<v Speaker 1>I think.

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<v Speaker 2>So you and I'll have the common reset time here.

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<v Speaker 2>And you're looking forward to the new year too, to

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<v Speaker 2>kind of says, let's bring our new resolutions, not even

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<v Speaker 2>necessarily a New Year's resolution, but let's move forward to

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<v Speaker 2>do something different and make things happen right going into

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<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty five, because the world world is going to

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<v Speaker 2>be an active place still, and it's going to be,

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<v Speaker 2>if nothing else, dynamic and entertaining. I think, although you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I've got some other predictions for twenty twenty five, but

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<v Speaker 2>that's not today's show, Larry. Yeah, So at least we're

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<v Speaker 2>looking forward to twenty twenty five for the reset sort

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<v Speaker 2>of aspect of it.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, we are, and I think actually we have discussed

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<v Speaker 3>we discussed probably a year two years back. I think

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<v Speaker 3>we have have discussed the context for what's happening, which,

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<v Speaker 3>as you say, the media certainly isn't reaching back in

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<v Speaker 3>time to present any of anything except the most current events.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, the media.

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<v Speaker 3>Has totally lost the ability to present context beyond oh,

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<v Speaker 3>like two months. That's the backstory is two months, you know.

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<v Speaker 3>But you and I have talked about this. We had

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<v Speaker 3>conversations a while back, and when we talked about how

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<v Speaker 3>geopolitics has flipped between the Old Cold War and the

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<v Speaker 3>New Cold War, and when during the old Cold War

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<v Speaker 3>the United States tended to support established regimes and the

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<v Speaker 3>Soviet Union tend to support revolutionaries, and it was really

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<v Speaker 3>expensive to support established regimes, and and the revolutionaries over

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<v Speaker 3>time always seemed to take the advantage, and the US

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<v Speaker 3>often supported regimes that got overthrown. And so a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of our covert and deniable warfare came to not because

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<v Speaker 3>we were taking the position of supporting regimes where the

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<v Speaker 3>Soviet you know, where the communists where the revolutionaries. Obviously

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<v Speaker 3>we fit with revolutionaries. And by the way, it's cheap

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<v Speaker 3>to support them.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, yeah, that's.

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<v Speaker 2>The thing, you know, you send them a few guns,

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<v Speaker 2>you send them some food, and you can be a

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<v Speaker 2>hero in a hurry. But the US would also have

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<v Speaker 2>this other problem where yeah, it was kind of stagnant.

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<v Speaker 2>We were just supporting well projects or trajectories that appeared

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<v Speaker 2>to be in favor of what stability, right, That was

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<v Speaker 2>always the key cry really from and.

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<v Speaker 3>You don't you don't have to build big bases. I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>look at the gigantic military bases and ports that we

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<v Speaker 3>built in Vietnam, for example, huge infrastructure expenditure in Vietnam, Yes,

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<v Speaker 3>which we essentially donated to the Vietnamese over time, but

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<v Speaker 3>it is expensive from an infocause when you're supporting a

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<v Speaker 3>regime in place, you've got to pay for their.

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<v Speaker 1>Infrastructure as well.

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<v Speaker 3>Whatever country that's in, you end up paying for ports

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<v Speaker 3>and roads and airports.

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<v Speaker 1>And that sort of thing.

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<v Speaker 3>And when the revolutionaries win, they just take it over

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<v Speaker 3>and you know you have to write it off.

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<v Speaker 1>Your books as a loss.

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<v Speaker 3>Well that was US during the Cold War, and the

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<v Speaker 3>Soviets were playing a you know, a low money game

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<v Speaker 3>and maybe a long IDs game, but they often won.

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<v Speaker 3>They wanted Vietnam, they want, you know, they want in

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<v Speaker 3>many places. But what we've seen in the in this century,

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<v Speaker 3>in the new Cold War era is it's flipped and

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<v Speaker 3>Russia has decided that it's it's smart to support regimes

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<v Speaker 3>like support the Syrian regime against the Syrian revolutionaries. Right,

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<v Speaker 3>And so what do we see in Syria? Huge bases

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<v Speaker 3>and infrastructure built by the Russians, huge huge investments. We

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<v Speaker 3>see Russian forces deployed all around Syria, much like we

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<v Speaker 3>saw in Vietnam.

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<v Speaker 1>And I've been amazed.

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<v Speaker 3>Actually, I didn't realize the extent of Russian military deployments

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<v Speaker 3>within Syria until I've been watching over the last few days,

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<v Speaker 3>these long, long lines of Russian transport trucks and heavy

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<v Speaker 3>equipment pulling back from all over Syria into their two

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<v Speaker 3>remaining bases to be evacuated.

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<v Speaker 1>This, this is Vietnam. This for the Russians.

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<v Speaker 3>The only difference is they managed to fly their people

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<v Speaker 3>out and get their people out without taking them off

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<v Speaker 3>the roofs of embassies.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I think it's.

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<v Speaker 3>It's less spectacular because of that, but in.

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<v Speaker 1>Terms of loss of investment, loss of image, loss.

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<v Speaker 3>Of it's the same thing. So it's much more strategic.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, there's a lot of talk about, well they'll

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<v Speaker 3>just they'll just retreat to Libya region. That means they're

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<v Speaker 3>going to have to support another Libyan regime, which amounts

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<v Speaker 3>to another Libyan general who owns the port and owns

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<v Speaker 3>the city. And guess what if they want to they're

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<v Speaker 3>going to have to put military resources on the board.

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<v Speaker 1>They've already got some in o Limbya.

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<v Speaker 3>They're going to have to build a new if they

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<v Speaker 3>want Libya to to replace Syria, it's going to be

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<v Speaker 3>another huge investment.

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<v Speaker 1>So, right, strategically, this is a big deal.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, right, so we have Vietnam minus the Hanoi Hilton

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<v Speaker 2>and the flip. But this was predictable in my mind

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<v Speaker 2>due to the fact that again during the Trump administration,

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<v Speaker 2>you had the withdrawal of the US. Basically, they didn't

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<v Speaker 2>fully withdraw from Syria, but they relegated themselves to a

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<v Speaker 2>very small part of the map, right, which gave free

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<v Speaker 2>reign to the Russian assets throughout their allies territory.

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<v Speaker 1>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>So, now Asad's regime had Russians with it, they didn't

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<v Speaker 2>have to even contend with making sure that they don't

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<v Speaker 2>engage with the Americans. They didn't even have to contend

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<v Speaker 2>with any of that, right, and they didn't.

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<v Speaker 3>But what they didn't recognize and maybe they did recognize,

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<v Speaker 3>but Turkey, Turkey did a brilliant job of playing a hand.

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<v Speaker 1>At it is.

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<v Speaker 3>There's a backstory too, It's why the US was even

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<v Speaker 3>anywhere in uh Syria to begin with. And that bad

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<v Speaker 3>story goes back to twenty twelve in the Obama regime,

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<v Speaker 3>when we once again decided that we would we would

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<v Speaker 3>play a hand and we would oppose Isis taking over

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<v Speaker 3>Syria by working with the non radical Alamist revolutionary groups.

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<v Speaker 3>Assads looks weak, he looks exposed. Somebody's going to take over. Well,

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<v Speaker 3>we want it to be the non Islam versus Isis.

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<v Speaker 3>The Russians played a much stronger game, no more deniable nonsense.

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<v Speaker 3>We're playing deniable nonsense. We're trying to covertly ship weapons

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<v Speaker 3>into Syria from Libya, which gets our ambassador killed in

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<v Speaker 3>ben Ghazi because Isis sees what's going on, and just

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<v Speaker 3>collect weapons which we're gonna ship there Soviet weapons, by

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<v Speaker 3>they're deniable, like everybody in Syria has got syvia weapons. Okay, great,

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<v Speaker 3>so we're playing this deniability thing. Isis gets ahead of

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<v Speaker 3>the curve and Libya becomes a nightmare for us. But

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<v Speaker 3>Russia in Syria plays it exactly the opposite. Rather than

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<v Speaker 3>support for the Syrian regime. You know, that's this is

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<v Speaker 3>only interest in Syria. Now he says, we have no interest.

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<v Speaker 3>But then he said we had interest in the oil,

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<v Speaker 1>Because that's where the oil is.

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<v Speaker 1>So, as you said, that's where you find you know, like,

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<v Speaker 3>you get in place like that. It's true that they

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<v Speaker 3>were a blocking force for ISIS, uh, but it wasn't

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<v Speaker 3>really Isis. The Syrians, of course, were in league with

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<v Speaker 3>the Iranians, and it's the Uranian military equipment and shipmunths

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<v Speaker 3>that's coming through which we weren't blocking. But that's why

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<v Speaker 3>we're still there at all. You know, you raised that

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<v Speaker 3>question like where are we even out there? Well, the

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<v Speaker 3>real answer is Trump shut down the CIA support program,

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<v Speaker 3>deniable support program for the revolutionaries. He kept troops out

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<v Speaker 3>there where the oil fields are with the Kurds, and

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<v Speaker 3>over the last several years, Turkey has decided that they

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<v Speaker 3>need to play, they need to play in Syria because

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<v Speaker 3>Turkey is opposed to We've got Turkey and Israel opposed

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<v Speaker 3>to a ram Okay and.

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<v Speaker 1>Turkey, actually Turkey.

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<v Speaker 3>Russia is not saying anything about it. But it's pretty

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<v Speaker 3>clear now that the revolutionary group groups that ended up

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<v Speaker 2>Now adding to this confusion, Larry, and after I add

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<v Speaker 2>and let you sort it. Because here's the problem. A

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<v Speaker 2>couple of things. One, I recall Trump basically saying ISIS

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think so you're not showing me enough bodies

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<v Speaker 2>But maybe maybe maybe he did it, you know, and

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<v Speaker 2>we'll just never see it, because after all, this is

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<v Speaker 2>also theoretical to the American public that they barely even

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<v Speaker 2>know what we're talking about here. Okay, Fine, let's put

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<v Speaker 2>that aside for a moment, because in the meantime since

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<v Speaker 2>the Trump administration, other things have occurred here. Israel is

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<v Speaker 2>definitely involved in something else right now when it comes

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<v Speaker 2>to Gaza, when it comes to the Palestinian question, all

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<v Speaker 2>of that, and guess who else is involved in that situation, Iran.

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<v Speaker 2>So they are both occupied, having their resources trained and

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<v Speaker 2>their attention turned elsewhere. I would say that's a serious factor, okay.

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<v Speaker 2>In addition, the Russians, who are a main player here

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<v Speaker 2>and clearly should have been the people that got some

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<v Speaker 2>failure okay, or by doing something covertly that worked another way.

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<v Speaker 2>You get where I'm going with this, One way or another,

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<v Speaker 2>Russia is a factor in why the Assad regime fell,

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<v Speaker 2>whether it's because of errors they made, a lack of

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<v Speaker 2>interest that they had because they were otherwise occupied, etc.

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<v Speaker 2>One way or another. Russia's involved there, Okay, so put

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<v Speaker 2>that all aside. And then this guy who comes in

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<v Speaker 2>government now that's trying to take over and saying, look,

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<v Speaker 2>we're not going to murder everybody who was, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>supporting a SOD. We're here to make the change that

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<v Speaker 2>we've all been waiting for half a century to make

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<v Speaker 2>regarding getting away from not only a SOD, the current

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<v Speaker 2>a SOD, but his father right long standing issue in

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<v Speaker 2>that country. And he's supposed to be an ISIS leader,

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<v Speaker 2>and he comes out and basically says, we don't want

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<v Speaker 2>to slaughter everybody. We don't want to do this and that.

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<v Speaker 2>And the third thing that I've been told is the

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<v Speaker 2>hallmark of a ISIS leader getting a country, which, by

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<v Speaker 2>the way, this would have set off panic attacks all

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<v Speaker 2>across every analyst, every Middle East watcher in the English

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<v Speaker 2>speaking world would have been freaking out about eight years

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<v Speaker 2>ago if if Siria fell to ISIS, right, what is

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<v Speaker 2>going on here? You have an ISIS leader who's not

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<v Speaker 2>acting like an ISIS leader. You have us basically yawning

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<v Speaker 2>at this whole situation in Syria because we're not really involved.

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<v Speaker 2>And I guess if all we were doing was guarding

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<v Speaker 2>an area that the Kurds were occupying, well you see

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<v Speaker 2>how well that that's doing for anybody, because the Kurds

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<v Speaker 2>have been this continuous question across the region, occupying parts

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<v Speaker 2>of countries but not having a homeland of their own

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<v Speaker 2>for I don't know, I can't remember how long. But anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>what does this all essentially mean? I mean, is there

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<v Speaker 2>a significance to this? And oh, by the way, has

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<v Speaker 2>the Islamic State, remember they were using that phrase for

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<v Speaker 2>a while, finally captured one of the larger states that

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<v Speaker 2>actually is an oil producer and everything else. Is this

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<v Speaker 2>not something that people would have freaked out about a

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<v Speaker 2>few years ago? Or am I missing something?

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<v Speaker 3>Well the simple answer to that last question is no.

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<v Speaker 3>But the real problem is, again, we as Americans are

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<v Speaker 3>very sophisticated in our use of terms. Isis was a regime, Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>radical Islamist are a faith. You need to separate separate

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<v Speaker 3>those who believe in implementing radical Islam in government from

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<v Speaker 3>the ISIS regime. When Trump said the Isis regime was destroyed, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>it's capital capital was overrun. It's bureaucracy was destroyed. I

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<v Speaker 3>mean it was issued in its own currency. I mean

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<v Speaker 3>the Isis as a regime was destroyed. That is true,

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<v Speaker 3>But there are still radical Lomists all over the place.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean it's a faith. I mean there are radical

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<v Speaker 3>Christians in different places. It's it's the radical element of

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<v Speaker 3>a faith. And it's not just in one place. It's

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<v Speaker 3>all over the place. Radical Islam is in the Gulf States,

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<v Speaker 3>it's in Africa. You have radical Islamist military groups operating

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<v Speaker 3>in several states inside Africa. So the thought that Isis

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<v Speaker 3>as a belief system and as a military network was

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<v Speaker 3>destroyed as ridiculous. It just shows you don't know what

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<v Speaker 3>you're talking about. Okay, but let's let's go back to Syria.

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<v Speaker 3>One of the leaders and just the most obvious leader

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<v Speaker 3>at the moment, and one of the reasons he's most

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<v Speaker 3>most obvious is that he comes out of a part

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<v Speaker 3>of Syria, northwestern Syria. I probably pronounced that wrong, but

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<v Speaker 3>near the Turkey border where they were receiving group was

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<v Speaker 3>receiving a lot of support from Turkey, and he managed

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<v Speaker 3>to put in place a non radical Islamist regime. They

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<v Speaker 3>didn't enforce shaha law like Isis would they you know,

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<v Speaker 3>there were It was kind of a compromised regime. It

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<v Speaker 3>certainly was not pure isis pure pure what we see

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<v Speaker 3>when we look back two or three years in Iran,

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<v Speaker 3>in Iraq, I'm sorry, it was more of a compromise state.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's one of the reasons why.

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<v Speaker 3>Is one of the things that the media is doing

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<v Speaker 3>quite well at the moment is interviewing people from that

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<v Speaker 3>area to ask them how he ran it? You know,

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<v Speaker 3>how was it run?

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<v Speaker 1>Is it?

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<v Speaker 3>What would we expect if this goes national within Syria?

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<v Speaker 3>And that's that's a good thing to do. You need

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<v Speaker 3>to look on the ground at what their practices were,

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<v Speaker 3>not just talk about them generically. You and I have

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<v Speaker 3>talked about this all in regard to JFK. Don't just

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<v Speaker 3>say c I A. Don't just say mafia. That's nonsense.

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<v Speaker 3>That's too high a level.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so really fast, yeah, so really fast. I just

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<v Speaker 2>want to throw something in here. Is that what we're

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<v Speaker 2>seeing as far as this really vague reporting. That's what

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<v Speaker 2>I was representing there when I was telling you about

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<v Speaker 2>you know, like Isis and this and that is this

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<v Speaker 2>vague reporting and slapping these labels on things is extremely

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<v Speaker 2>unhelpful because, like you were just saying about the JFK thing,

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<v Speaker 2>where they go, wellse Ia, like that's supposed to be

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<v Speaker 2>the end of the conversation. Yeah, that's what they're doing here,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's doing no one a service, is my point.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's why I'm asking, like, how is it that

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<v Speaker 2>we suss this out?

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<v Speaker 3>Because you're actually it's the beginning of the conversation, right.

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<v Speaker 3>The other point that you brought up as far as

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<v Speaker 3>Russia again, I think what we're seeing is why did

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<v Speaker 3>this happen during Russia's watch? Okay, well, that obviously is

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<v Speaker 3>it's somewhat what happened to us in Vietnam.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, we got tired. You can't it. Can you

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<v Speaker 1>sustain that level of expenditure for decades? You know? Can you? Literally?

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<v Speaker 3>It's true that Osad was generating a lot of revenue

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<v Speaker 3>pretty much for himself, not Syria through drug sales.

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<v Speaker 1>We can see that.

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<v Speaker 3>That's the evidence of that is turning up now with

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<v Speaker 3>speculation afore, but it's the stashes are turning up now,

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<v Speaker 3>so you can see it for real. But Ukraine obviously

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<v Speaker 3>is a huge drain on Russia, Russian manpower, Russian resources,

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<v Speaker 3>and so Russia, you know, over a decade.

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<v Speaker 1>Or so.

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<v Speaker 3>Putin to some extent, I don't think as badly. I

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<v Speaker 3>wish it was as badly, but he is ended up

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<v Speaker 3>committing himself to multiple wars at the same time. Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>and can you sustain that financially? Could if you look

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<v Speaker 3>at the military force that he had in Syria. And

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<v Speaker 3>again I don't think it's not been reported on very

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<v Speaker 3>well because it wasn't too visible to us. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>now that we can look at the number of airlifters

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<v Speaker 3>they have on the ground, heavy air transports, ships, that

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<v Speaker 3>sort of stuff, taking stuff out, you get a much

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<v Speaker 3>better feel for how much they had invested in Syria.

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<v Speaker 3>The Russian air force and the Russian army was propping

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<v Speaker 3>up the Aside regime, assisted by and in the West. Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>let's make that clear in the West, assisted by the

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<v Speaker 3>Iranian militia and the Hamas that their fighters were also

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<v Speaker 3>propping up the Aside regime in other parts of the country.

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<v Speaker 3>So when Russia, you know, takes it has to force

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<v Speaker 3>to take its eye off to look at Ukraine. When

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<v Speaker 3>Israel knocks out a lot of the the firepower, the reserves,

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<v Speaker 3>the ammunition supplies that were going in from Iran and

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<v Speaker 3>from Lebanon. You know, it's a new ballgame one afternoon.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, people asked why did this happen so quickly?

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<v Speaker 3>quickly is the elements were there in place, and suddenly,

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<v Speaker 3>to a large extent, Israel's attacks in Lebanon and living

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<v Speaker 3>in Israel's defeat of Iran's missile attacks opened the gates.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like, okay, these people they are they can be defeated.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, Russia has other things to do, and these

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<v Speaker 3>other players can be shown to be defeated and not

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<v Speaker 3>all powerful. I mean, Iran was being viewed as all

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<v Speaker 3>powerful a month ago, two months ago. Now they're not

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<v Speaker 3>being viewed that way. So the floodgates open all at once,

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<v Speaker 3>just the same thing that happened in Afghanistan to the Russians,

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<v Speaker 3>the same thing that happened in Vietnam.

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<v Speaker 1>US.

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<v Speaker 3>When these things go, they go all at once. There's

422
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<v Speaker 3>no magic to it. It's its culmination of events, well right.

423
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<v Speaker 2>And a big, huge part of it is simply that look,

424
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<v Speaker 2>if we were to rewind the clock a little bit

425
00:27:14.960 --> 00:27:17.079
<v Speaker 2>and go back two and a half years ago, you

426
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<v Speaker 2>don't have the conflict in Palestine, you know, draining draining

427
00:27:23.200 --> 00:27:28.119
<v Speaker 2>away what Iran could be investing in Syria. You don't

428
00:27:28.160 --> 00:27:33.119
<v Speaker 2>have Ukraine draining away what Russia could be investing in Syria.

429
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<v Speaker 2>So two key allies being otherwise entangled elsewhere, Yeah, causes

430
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<v Speaker 2>a lack of resources. Forget about strategy, forget about manpower,

431
00:27:44.880 --> 00:27:48.720
<v Speaker 2>although manpower is probably an issue here as well, and therefore,

432
00:27:49.119 --> 00:27:53.039
<v Speaker 2>without those two key allies to prop up the regime,

433
00:27:53.519 --> 00:27:55.200
<v Speaker 2>it fell simple logic.

434
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<v Speaker 3>Nope, Yeah, especially without the Russian Air Force. I mean

435
00:28:02.160 --> 00:28:04.960
<v Speaker 3>the Russian Air Force. And this is one of the

436
00:28:05.000 --> 00:28:08.720
<v Speaker 3>reasons that there's a lot of speculations, Oh, the Syrians

437
00:28:08.720 --> 00:28:11.440
<v Speaker 3>will allow the Russians to retain those bases and so

438
00:28:11.440 --> 00:28:14.559
<v Speaker 3>on and so forth. I mean it was the Russian

439
00:28:14.599 --> 00:28:19.960
<v Speaker 3>Air Force, and the Russians supplies to the Russian aircraft

440
00:28:19.960 --> 00:28:23.119
<v Speaker 3>and the Syrian air force over a decade. I mean

441
00:28:23.160 --> 00:28:30.559
<v Speaker 3>we're talking about dropping chemical weapons, dropping, I mean massive

442
00:28:31.319 --> 00:28:35.799
<v Speaker 3>damage created by Russian and Syrian slash Russian air strikes

443
00:28:36.279 --> 00:28:37.680
<v Speaker 3>on the Syrian population.

444
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<v Speaker 1>That just.

445
00:28:40.400 --> 00:28:45.000
<v Speaker 3>Again it's Russians behaving like Russians are behaving in Ukraine.

446
00:28:45.960 --> 00:28:50.599
<v Speaker 3>Russians fight total war, which is something we still haven't

447
00:28:50.599 --> 00:28:55.599
<v Speaker 3>got our head around, is that Russians fight to win. Now,

448
00:28:55.839 --> 00:29:00.400
<v Speaker 3>I'm not defending that, but you have to under stand

449
00:29:00.440 --> 00:29:03.759
<v Speaker 3>they they will draw, draw, destroy a city, which they

450
00:29:03.759 --> 00:29:07.359
<v Speaker 3>did in Syria, which they're doing in Ukraine. How do

451
00:29:07.640 --> 00:29:11.839
<v Speaker 3>how do you destroy resistance? You literally destroy the resistance,

452
00:29:12.319 --> 00:29:14.880
<v Speaker 3>And that's what they've been. They did that in Syria,

453
00:29:15.079 --> 00:29:18.079
<v Speaker 3>and that's why I find a hard time believing that

454
00:29:18.119 --> 00:29:23.559
<v Speaker 3>the Syrians do not remember that, Uh, will not remember

455
00:29:23.599 --> 00:29:25.920
<v Speaker 3>what the Russians did to them.

456
00:29:27.440 --> 00:29:30.720
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, so here we are right now, what does

457
00:29:30.759 --> 00:29:36.480
<v Speaker 2>this mean for Russia now in Syria with the regime change?

458
00:29:37.160 --> 00:29:40.079
<v Speaker 2>Does that mean all right now, we'll just withdraw everything

459
00:29:40.119 --> 00:29:42.000
<v Speaker 2>we have here and we can focus it back on

460
00:29:42.200 --> 00:29:47.920
<v Speaker 2>Ukraine one and two? I mean, is it a strategic

461
00:29:48.039 --> 00:29:51.160
<v Speaker 2>move that now if there was anything left to be

462
00:29:51.200 --> 00:29:54.319
<v Speaker 2>pulled back, you know, in reserve there say sitting in

463
00:29:54.359 --> 00:29:58.480
<v Speaker 2>Syria that the Iranians could have utilized elsewhere, it's off

464
00:29:58.480 --> 00:30:03.440
<v Speaker 2>the table now right because it's been neutralized and it'll

465
00:30:03.480 --> 00:30:07.640
<v Speaker 2>probably be captured. Uh if there were resources left? I mean,

466
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<v Speaker 2>are we looking at a very significant change here.

467
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<v Speaker 4>Because of this, you think, well that I think the

468
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<v Speaker 4>big strategic question is how important Africa is to putin

469
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<v Speaker 4>because if it's not just a matter of if if everything

470
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<v Speaker 4>is taken out of Syria by the end of next week,

471
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<v Speaker 4>which it largely could be uh by everything that's air transportable,

472
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<v Speaker 4>let's put it that way, that that that they can

473
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<v Speaker 4>fly back to Russia that eventually could They're going to

474
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<v Speaker 4>have to make a real decision though if they want

475
00:30:43.759 --> 00:30:49.359
<v Speaker 4>to Syria was their transit base and they're they're really

476
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<v Speaker 4>avenue into Africa. If Libya is going to replace that,

477
00:30:55.039 --> 00:30:58.319
<v Speaker 4>they're going to have to make a massive strategic shift

478
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<v Speaker 4>to this rush the the Russian supporting general in Libya,

479
00:31:04.160 --> 00:31:06.440
<v Speaker 4>and they're going to have to sustain him, and they're

480
00:31:06.559 --> 00:31:09.279
<v Speaker 4>going to have to build an infrastructure. They're either going

481
00:31:09.359 --> 00:31:11.440
<v Speaker 4>to have to make sure he takes all of Libya,

482
00:31:11.920 --> 00:31:15.599
<v Speaker 4>which he doesn't hold now, they're going to have to

483
00:31:15.640 --> 00:31:19.799
<v Speaker 4>be prepared to allocate a good deal of that resource

484
00:31:20.519 --> 00:31:24.200
<v Speaker 4>to whatever their plan is for Libya and Africa, because

485
00:31:24.279 --> 00:31:26.519
<v Speaker 4>right now we see the fact that there are at

486
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<v Speaker 4>least half a dozen nations in Africa that have essentially

487
00:31:31.119 --> 00:31:34.960
<v Speaker 4>kicked out the French, kicked out the US and said

488
00:31:34.960 --> 00:31:38.519
<v Speaker 4>that they are going with the Russian military, and the

489
00:31:38.559 --> 00:31:43.000
<v Speaker 4>Russian military is going to have to sustain them against

490
00:31:43.039 --> 00:31:50.640
<v Speaker 4>their own radical Islamist revolutionary groups. So Putin's got to

491
00:31:50.720 --> 00:31:53.200
<v Speaker 4>keep He's got to either go with that and keep

492
00:31:53.240 --> 00:31:57.920
<v Speaker 4>his avenues into those countries for natural resources and or

493
00:31:58.240 --> 00:32:02.000
<v Speaker 4>you know, it's it's not just all about Syria, It's

494
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<v Speaker 4>also about Africa.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, And that leads to really my last logical question

496
00:32:07.799 --> 00:32:10.680
<v Speaker 2>in this equation. And then you know, how is it

497
00:32:10.720 --> 00:32:14.000
<v Speaker 2>that this is going to affect the US and our policies,

498
00:32:14.000 --> 00:32:17.359
<v Speaker 2>et cetera in the region is my final thought. But

499
00:32:17.799 --> 00:32:21.960
<v Speaker 2>really the biggest question here to me is we haven't

500
00:32:22.039 --> 00:32:26.119
<v Speaker 2>heard a lot about the Libyan regime in the past

501
00:32:26.200 --> 00:32:30.279
<v Speaker 2>few years, the condition of it, you know, post Kadafi

502
00:32:30.880 --> 00:32:33.839
<v Speaker 2>and all of that. I mean, once everybody lost their

503
00:32:34.839 --> 00:32:39.559
<v Speaker 2>desire to look into BEng Ghazi, it's over in Libya

504
00:32:39.559 --> 00:32:42.599
<v Speaker 2>as far as you know, we're concerned, right, They're not

505
00:32:43.720 --> 00:32:48.680
<v Speaker 2>a significant factor anymore. That regime that's in place right now,

506
00:32:48.759 --> 00:32:51.680
<v Speaker 2>as you I think you just said, doesn't even have

507
00:32:51.759 --> 00:32:54.519
<v Speaker 2>control of the entirety of the country, does it. So

508
00:32:55.400 --> 00:32:58.359
<v Speaker 2>what condition are we looking at here for this fallback

509
00:32:58.720 --> 00:33:02.960
<v Speaker 2>position for Russia anyway? And is it going to be

510
00:33:03.039 --> 00:33:05.880
<v Speaker 2>even a factor the more they get sucked into Ukraine

511
00:33:06.720 --> 00:33:10.079
<v Speaker 2>and that conflict. I mean, eventually all roads are going

512
00:33:10.119 --> 00:33:12.319
<v Speaker 2>to lead to Ukraine. It looks like, you know, as

513
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<v Speaker 2>far as where the Russian resources are going to go,

514
00:33:14.880 --> 00:33:16.880
<v Speaker 2>where their attention, where the troops are going to go.

515
00:33:17.480 --> 00:33:19.440
<v Speaker 2>I mean, it's the continent, not.

516
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<v Speaker 3>If Putin wants Africa. Ah Okay, that's the point. You

517
00:33:24.960 --> 00:33:28.000
<v Speaker 3>and I talked about this about a year ago, I think,

518
00:33:28.119 --> 00:33:31.960
<v Speaker 3>and I remarked or two years ago maybe now, about

519
00:33:32.480 --> 00:33:36.920
<v Speaker 3>that Putin appeared to be tactically brilliant and that he

520
00:33:37.359 --> 00:33:41.960
<v Speaker 3>managed to, you know, acquire ports in Syria, give give

521
00:33:42.039 --> 00:33:48.160
<v Speaker 3>Russia Mediterrane presence that had never had acquire access to

522
00:33:48.400 --> 00:33:52.839
<v Speaker 3>huge national resources in Africa. And we're not just we're

523
00:33:52.880 --> 00:33:56.400
<v Speaker 3>not talking about just oil and gas. We're talking about minerals,

524
00:33:56.839 --> 00:34:00.240
<v Speaker 3>which may come to be as important as oil and gas,

525
00:34:00.279 --> 00:34:04.519
<v Speaker 3>honestly if you take a better look at it. And

526
00:34:04.559 --> 00:34:07.599
<v Speaker 3>that he had managed to insert himself in places where

527
00:34:07.839 --> 00:34:11.360
<v Speaker 3>the Soviet Union had never been effective before, and he

528
00:34:11.440 --> 00:34:14.320
<v Speaker 3>was doing it cheaply because he was doing it all

529
00:34:14.440 --> 00:34:18.000
<v Speaker 3>with the Wagner Group. He's doing it cheaply and somewhat deniably.

530
00:34:18.039 --> 00:34:21.320
<v Speaker 3>I mean, there were Russian flags flying in African cities

531
00:34:21.360 --> 00:34:25.280
<v Speaker 3>because of the Wagner Group. So what happens, Well, Wagner

532
00:34:25.280 --> 00:34:34.079
<v Speaker 3>Group's destroyed. Wagner's destroyed, But there's still Russian forces there, okay,

533
00:34:34.159 --> 00:34:38.559
<v Speaker 3>because they've been integrated into the Russian military. So there

534
00:34:38.559 --> 00:34:41.559
<v Speaker 3>are still Russian military forces there. Does he want to

535
00:34:41.639 --> 00:34:46.280
<v Speaker 3>maintain that? He's going to have to. I mean, and

536
00:34:46.320 --> 00:34:51.719
<v Speaker 3>although it doesn't get much press coverage here, only recently,

537
00:34:51.800 --> 00:34:56.679
<v Speaker 3>within the last few months major Russian contention was slaughtered

538
00:34:57.039 --> 00:35:00.760
<v Speaker 3>on the ground and by one of these ISIS groups.

539
00:35:01.480 --> 00:35:06.679
<v Speaker 3>So it does. It's it does consume resources. As far

540
00:35:06.760 --> 00:35:09.360
<v Speaker 3>as Libya is concerned. In North Africa as a whole,

541
00:35:09.719 --> 00:35:12.960
<v Speaker 3>there is a geopolitical battle going on there.

542
00:35:13.199 --> 00:35:17.599
<v Speaker 1>With Egypt, with uh Saudi.

543
00:35:18.679 --> 00:35:21.800
<v Speaker 3>We don't happen to be players, but one of the

544
00:35:21.840 --> 00:35:24.440
<v Speaker 3>things that's happened, Chuck, I think that we haven't.

545
00:35:24.480 --> 00:35:27.800
<v Speaker 1>You asked the question what does it mean for the US, Well.

546
00:35:27.599 --> 00:35:33.280
<v Speaker 3>These days we're not necessarily the only power sphere players.

547
00:35:34.039 --> 00:35:39.159
<v Speaker 3>Maybe we like to think of ourselves this way, but Iran, Saudi,

548
00:35:40.079 --> 00:35:45.199
<v Speaker 3>Turkey Egypt are the power players in the Mid East. Israel,

549
00:35:45.880 --> 00:35:50.039
<v Speaker 3>we're we're hanging out. We supply weapons to people that

550
00:35:50.079 --> 00:35:52.360
<v Speaker 3>we like, but we're not We're not in the.

551
00:35:52.320 --> 00:35:56.079
<v Speaker 1>Position we once were. So the two questions that are

552
00:35:56.119 --> 00:35:59.760
<v Speaker 1>relevant is, you know, what is our role?

553
00:36:00.199 --> 00:36:03.119
<v Speaker 3>You know, can we can we be a peacemaker or

554
00:36:03.119 --> 00:36:07.079
<v Speaker 3>can we help in entreaties? Can we help in alliances?

555
00:36:07.559 --> 00:36:10.880
<v Speaker 3>Rather than being the power broker we once were, everybody

556
00:36:10.960 --> 00:36:14.000
<v Speaker 3>still looks at us as the power broker. I'm not

557
00:36:14.079 --> 00:36:17.280
<v Speaker 3>sure that that's the same way to look at it anymore. Yeah,

558
00:36:17.360 --> 00:36:23.159
<v Speaker 3>we can be mediators and facilitators, but these other people

559
00:36:23.960 --> 00:36:27.039
<v Speaker 3>are in it to the extent of I mean, Egypt

560
00:36:27.599 --> 00:36:33.519
<v Speaker 3>has military forces in Libya and is supporting groups. You know,

561
00:36:33.840 --> 00:36:39.239
<v Speaker 3>these people are not bashful about sending over military into

562
00:36:39.320 --> 00:36:43.679
<v Speaker 3>these conflicts. We are, and since we are, we're no

563
00:36:43.800 --> 00:36:49.880
<v Speaker 3>longer unless if you're not prepared to participate militarily, you know,

564
00:36:50.119 --> 00:36:51.559
<v Speaker 3>are you really a power anymore?

565
00:36:51.800 --> 00:36:56.000
<v Speaker 1>Today? Israel basically destroyed.

566
00:36:57.480 --> 00:37:00.840
<v Speaker 3>Iamani shipping by deciding to take make out all their

567
00:37:00.840 --> 00:37:01.599
<v Speaker 3>major ports.

568
00:37:02.800 --> 00:37:04.840
<v Speaker 1>That's a power broker, right. Uh?

569
00:37:05.239 --> 00:37:09.400
<v Speaker 3>What did we do in human We bombed missile sites.

570
00:37:10.559 --> 00:37:16.000
<v Speaker 3>That's not a power broker, and why do we do that?

571
00:37:16.119 --> 00:37:18.440
<v Speaker 3>Obviously we don't like to be nice guys, and you

572
00:37:18.480 --> 00:37:21.639
<v Speaker 3>know we we're not brutal like these other people. The

573
00:37:21.679 --> 00:37:25.679
<v Speaker 3>guys that are brutal unfortunately tend to be the power brokers. Again,

574
00:37:25.880 --> 00:37:29.920
<v Speaker 3>not saying I like it, it's just like that's the reality.

575
00:37:30.000 --> 00:37:32.239
<v Speaker 1>So back to your question of what is our role.

576
00:37:33.280 --> 00:37:40.159
<v Speaker 1>Our role is probably to not do what we have tried.

577
00:37:39.920 --> 00:37:43.480
<v Speaker 3>To do in the past, to not do to try

578
00:37:43.679 --> 00:37:46.760
<v Speaker 3>not to try necessarily to pick sides all the time.

579
00:37:48.719 --> 00:37:53.800
<v Speaker 3>Two uh, you know, do we really do we really

580
00:37:54.480 --> 00:37:58.119
<v Speaker 3>have a have a place with military forces in Syria

581
00:37:59.039 --> 00:38:01.719
<v Speaker 3>or would it be better for us to look at

582
00:38:01.760 --> 00:38:05.599
<v Speaker 3>a way to strengthen the Syrian regime? I mean, the

583
00:38:06.440 --> 00:38:08.199
<v Speaker 3>I got to tell you there is no sign that

584
00:38:08.239 --> 00:38:12.920
<v Speaker 3>the current Syrian leader that is trying to you know,

585
00:38:13.800 --> 00:38:17.119
<v Speaker 3>re establish a Syrian state would be meant any more

586
00:38:17.159 --> 00:38:21.760
<v Speaker 3>excited about Black Flag. Isis troops pouring across the border

587
00:38:22.440 --> 00:38:25.800
<v Speaker 3>from you know, from the eastern border than anybody else is.

588
00:38:26.360 --> 00:38:30.519
<v Speaker 3>You know, So we've we've got to look maybe maybe

589
00:38:30.559 --> 00:38:33.119
<v Speaker 3>we're not the power brokers, but we've got to look

590
00:38:33.239 --> 00:38:38.280
<v Speaker 3>for the you know, least dangerous choices. That was that

591
00:38:38.360 --> 00:38:41.159
<v Speaker 3>was the long winded answered obviously to a very complex

592
00:38:41.239 --> 00:38:43.280
<v Speaker 3>but we've got to get it out of our head

593
00:38:43.519 --> 00:38:47.360
<v Speaker 3>that we we are the power brokers like we used

594
00:38:47.360 --> 00:38:47.519
<v Speaker 3>to be.

595
00:38:47.679 --> 00:38:51.119
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, huge key, huge key there. So all right, I

596
00:38:51.159 --> 00:38:54.159
<v Speaker 2>guess the final thing then, really the true final thing

597
00:38:54.199 --> 00:38:56.239
<v Speaker 2>here and then we'll just put a bow on this

598
00:38:56.360 --> 00:39:00.400
<v Speaker 2>thing until later, you know, stay tuned. I guess, right,

599
00:39:01.920 --> 00:39:06.280
<v Speaker 2>is very a very simple question, but complex answer. I'm

600
00:39:06.320 --> 00:39:11.519
<v Speaker 2>sure we have an administration coming in obviously there's going

601
00:39:11.559 --> 00:39:14.960
<v Speaker 2>to be some changes here. What do you think you

602
00:39:15.039 --> 00:39:17.760
<v Speaker 2>were looking at? I mean, are we looking at something

603
00:39:17.760 --> 00:39:21.079
<v Speaker 2>that's going to go completely down the memory hole. Nobody's

604
00:39:21.079 --> 00:39:23.480
<v Speaker 2>going to look at this in the West for a while.

605
00:39:23.519 --> 00:39:27.079
<v Speaker 2>It's just gonna oh, well, something's happening in Syria. But

606
00:39:27.159 --> 00:39:28.960
<v Speaker 2>we're going to be too busy, you know, with the

607
00:39:29.280 --> 00:39:32.360
<v Speaker 2>with the domestic political circus, and that'll be that. Or

608
00:39:32.960 --> 00:39:35.119
<v Speaker 2>do you think there'll be a significant change that's going

609
00:39:35.199 --> 00:39:38.480
<v Speaker 2>to make a difference here with the incoming administration.

610
00:39:39.000 --> 00:39:41.960
<v Speaker 3>It's clear that Trump wants to be a deal maker

611
00:39:42.360 --> 00:39:47.639
<v Speaker 3>in terms of Ukraine and Russia and in Europe, it's

612
00:39:47.719 --> 00:39:51.039
<v Speaker 3>totally unclear that he has any interest in being a

613
00:39:51.079 --> 00:39:56.559
<v Speaker 3>deal maker anyplace else. Certainly, it's clear that he has

614
00:39:57.199 --> 00:40:01.920
<v Speaker 3>a commitment to Israel, right, so is there room for

615
00:40:02.039 --> 00:40:07.639
<v Speaker 3>some participation in negotiations mediations the same sort of could

616
00:40:07.639 --> 00:40:11.639
<v Speaker 3>the administration? Could the Trump administration do what the Biden

617
00:40:12.079 --> 00:40:16.920
<v Speaker 3>administration has been trying to do in negotiations Hill, which

618
00:40:16.960 --> 00:40:19.519
<v Speaker 3>is is not a major role. It's a you know,

619
00:40:19.599 --> 00:40:21.599
<v Speaker 3>we're here, maybe we're a neutral party.

620
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<v Speaker 1>We can help, you know. But I know, I don't

621
00:40:26.320 --> 00:40:26.880
<v Speaker 1>see us.

622
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<v Speaker 3>I don't really see us getting involved in in Africa

623
00:40:33.039 --> 00:40:36.440
<v Speaker 3>or more in the Middle East, because I think his

624
00:40:36.559 --> 00:40:40.840
<v Speaker 3>interests are, his interests are elsewhere. His interests are domestic,

625
00:40:41.320 --> 00:40:46.000
<v Speaker 3>and his interest are clearly he's shown that he has

626
00:40:46.239 --> 00:40:49.199
<v Speaker 3>an interest in the Far East, you know, in the

627
00:40:49.280 --> 00:40:54.320
<v Speaker 3>China question, you know, But I so, no, I don't

628
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<v Speaker 3>I don't see him having a real focus on there.

629
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<v Speaker 3>And I think it will go the way that it

630
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<v Speaker 3>goes to a large extent in one of the things

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<v Speaker 3>that he's going to be consumed by. And you mentioned

632
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<v Speaker 3>it as domestically. I mean what we've seen today. If

633
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<v Speaker 3>he does indeed manage to persuade Congress to eliminate the

634
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<v Speaker 3>debt ceiling, his whole life for his administration's life is

635
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<v Speaker 3>going to find a way to follow through on that

636
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<v Speaker 3>without making the national debt explode. I think he will

637
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<v Speaker 3>have more than enough, you know, between negotiating with Putin

638
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<v Speaker 3>and that, I think he will have more than enough

639
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<v Speaker 3>on his plate.

640
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<v Speaker 2>So that's what we're looking at for the next long while.

641
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<v Speaker 2>I think is that quite honestly, if his entire administration

642
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<v Speaker 2>is not occupied with that issue, then you know, it'll

643
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<v Speaker 2>only that would indicate that it's solved. And I don't

644
00:41:57.719 --> 00:42:00.039
<v Speaker 2>see that being solved in any quick, sodic vas.

645
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<v Speaker 3>Here in the last In the last administration, his whole

646
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<v Speaker 3>platform was reducing the national debt, and it expanded by

647
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<v Speaker 3>almost eight trillion. Okay, again, what happens if you take

648
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<v Speaker 3>the ceiling, which is what he proposed today, there's no

649
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<v Speaker 3>more ceiling, there's no more congressional oversight, there's no ceiling

650
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<v Speaker 3>on the national debt. It's just a commitment to somehow

651
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<v Speaker 3>reduce it by reducing spending while reducing taxation. I I

652
00:42:33.880 --> 00:42:36.639
<v Speaker 3>didn't take a lot of economics classes in college, but

653
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<v Speaker 3>I took some, and so far I haven't been able

654
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<v Speaker 3>to draw a chart that makes sense out of that

655
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<v Speaker 3>to me.

656
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<v Speaker 1>But that's just me.

657
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<v Speaker 2>The only way to make sense out of that chart, Larry,

658
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<v Speaker 2>you know from again, I'm not an economics guy either,

659
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<v Speaker 2>but the only way in my mind is to create

660
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<v Speaker 2>another revenue stream. Okay, that's the only thing, and it

661
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<v Speaker 2>better be a hell of a good one. That's all saying.

662
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<v Speaker 3>You know, I agree, I don't know where it's going

663
00:43:03.400 --> 00:43:05.800
<v Speaker 3>to come from, because the other if you don't and

664
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<v Speaker 3>I've been through this in actual real world situations, if

665
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<v Speaker 3>you don't do exactly that as a commer, as a

666
00:43:13.519 --> 00:43:17.519
<v Speaker 3>commercial company in corporation that I've been with, who ends

667
00:43:17.599 --> 00:43:21.920
<v Speaker 3>up eating the net result is your banker. I mean

668
00:43:22.360 --> 00:43:26.159
<v Speaker 3>you may you go bankrupt and your banker will take

669
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<v Speaker 3>you to court, But who actually ate the failure? The

670
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<v Speaker 3>banker that you borrowed the loans from that you could

671
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<v Speaker 3>not replace with income.

672
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, eventually, that's where it's.

673
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<v Speaker 1>Going in this sense. How would who? Who would who

674
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<v Speaker 1>would backstop that nation?

675
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<v Speaker 3>The Oh oh we would no more bankers?

676
00:43:45.559 --> 00:43:46.159
<v Speaker 1>It's us.

677
00:43:46.440 --> 00:43:48.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's what it comes down to. Except in real

678
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<v Speaker 2>world business, what happens is the company, uh disbands and

679
00:43:52.920 --> 00:43:53.480
<v Speaker 2>it's gone.

680
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<v Speaker 3>Okay, and we don't really want to do that. I don't,

681
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<v Speaker 3>I'm not Yeah, that doesn't sound good.

682
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<v Speaker 2>That's the thing, you know, just firesale USA does not

683
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<v Speaker 2>seem like the way to go. But you know, I

684
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<v Speaker 2>guess we'll again have to stay tuned. Larry, any final

685
00:44:11.239 --> 00:44:13.679
<v Speaker 2>thoughts on this before we close it out, because I mean,

686
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<v Speaker 2>it's definitely it's definitely going to go the way it's

687
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<v Speaker 2>going to go. And I think you're extremely accurate in

688
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<v Speaker 2>saying that people need to understand that we're not going

689
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<v Speaker 2>to be the big influencer here as this goes forward.

690
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<v Speaker 2>We're not going to be the most significant stick, no

691
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<v Speaker 2>matter how many carrots or sticks are involved here. Even

692
00:44:35.239 --> 00:44:37.280
<v Speaker 2>though we have the biggest stick on the planet, it

693
00:44:37.360 --> 00:44:39.840
<v Speaker 2>doesn't mean that we're going to be able to play

694
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<v Speaker 2>a role in this circumstance.

695
00:44:41.599 --> 00:44:46.159
<v Speaker 1>It seems now it doesn't. And I think one of

696
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<v Speaker 1>the interesting things is the other big the other big.

697
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<v Speaker 3>Thing that we need to learn from what's going on

698
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<v Speaker 3>right now is big stick no longer matters except between

699
00:44:57.239 --> 00:45:00.159
<v Speaker 3>those people that have it. They may not hit each

700
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<v Speaker 3>other with it because they each have one. But in

701
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<v Speaker 3>the smaller playing fields in eastern Ukraine, you know, Putin

702
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<v Speaker 3>may talk all day long about nukes, but nukes would

703
00:45:12.320 --> 00:45:14.639
<v Speaker 3>not win it. For him anymore than nukes would have

704
00:45:14.639 --> 00:45:17.920
<v Speaker 3>won it for US in career of Vietnam. They're not

705
00:45:18.800 --> 00:45:23.199
<v Speaker 3>ground level tactical weapons. What's going to play out in

706
00:45:23.280 --> 00:45:27.079
<v Speaker 3>Africa and the Middle East. We're talking about people with

707
00:45:27.280 --> 00:45:32.159
<v Speaker 3>automatic weapons and anti aircraft missiles. That's how these struggles

708
00:45:32.199 --> 00:45:34.599
<v Speaker 3>are going to play out. So the big stick is

709
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<v Speaker 3>not really relevant, and it's relevant between US and Russia,

710
00:45:39.280 --> 00:45:44.159
<v Speaker 3>Russia and China, you know, but that part of the

711
00:45:44.280 --> 00:45:47.360
<v Speaker 3>Cold War mentality is no longer in play because the

712
00:45:47.360 --> 00:45:49.880
<v Speaker 3>weapons have changed. I mean, look at what we were

713
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<v Speaker 3>worried about today. Are we worried about ballistic missile attacks? No,

714
00:45:54.519 --> 00:45:57.679
<v Speaker 3>We're worried about weaponized drone swarms.

715
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<v Speaker 2>And where the hell are those things going? Gee? I

716
00:46:00.800 --> 00:46:02.360
<v Speaker 2>wish I could have done a show with you on that,

717
00:46:02.480 --> 00:46:04.920
<v Speaker 2>but it seems as though the mainstream media has decided

718
00:46:04.960 --> 00:46:07.960
<v Speaker 2>to pick up on it finally. So you know, they

719
00:46:08.079 --> 00:46:11.360
<v Speaker 2>flew over over Jersey for about six weeks before anybody

720
00:46:11.440 --> 00:46:14.679
<v Speaker 2>gave a crap, but now they do, so it's okay.

721
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<v Speaker 2>And oh, by the way, there's news about that. But

722
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<v Speaker 2>maybe we'll cover tomorrow night on the call in show, Larry.

723
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<v Speaker 2>I know I'm not going to speak to you again

724
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<v Speaker 2>until next year, and when we do speak, I think

725
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<v Speaker 2>we're going to start to focus on the brand new book,

726
00:46:27.320 --> 00:46:29.880
<v Speaker 2>which should be out. When when is the release Do

727
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<v Speaker 2>you have a release date for that?

728
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah? I think you.

729
00:46:32.360 --> 00:46:35.079
<v Speaker 3>I actually should have a review copy. Those will be

730
00:46:35.119 --> 00:46:38.079
<v Speaker 3>shipping out by the end of the year, excellent, So

731
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<v Speaker 3>you should have a copy in your hands by then.

732
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<v Speaker 3>We should be ready to talk about it at the

733
00:46:43.119 --> 00:46:45.480
<v Speaker 3>end of the year, first week, because it should. It

734
00:46:45.559 --> 00:46:50.920
<v Speaker 3>is supposed to be shipping by the second week in January.

735
00:46:50.920 --> 00:46:53.800
<v Speaker 3>He might ship earlier. Everything seems to be on target.

736
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<v Speaker 3>So and I'm really ready because I've been not talking

737
00:46:57.400 --> 00:46:59.599
<v Speaker 3>about that for weeks now, and as you know, me

738
00:46:59.760 --> 00:47:03.039
<v Speaker 3>not talking about something increases my stress level.

739
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<v Speaker 2>Oh absolutely, And look, I definitely promoted it at Lancer.

740
00:47:06.920 --> 00:47:09.599
<v Speaker 2>I went around, I did a special handout of the

741
00:47:10.199 --> 00:47:12.960
<v Speaker 2>of the promotional materials at Lancer at a certain point

742
00:47:13.519 --> 00:47:16.760
<v Speaker 2>this past year. But the Oswald Puzzle will be out

743
00:47:17.119 --> 00:47:21.119
<v Speaker 2>and I'm looking forward to reading the final product and

744
00:47:21.480 --> 00:47:23.800
<v Speaker 2>going over it with you here on this show. We

745
00:47:23.920 --> 00:47:27.079
<v Speaker 2>might do a couple of parts on it, actually, but

746
00:47:27.519 --> 00:47:31.280
<v Speaker 2>not until January. So Larry, with that all that in mind,

747
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<v Speaker 2>I want to say that I hope that you have

748
00:47:33.440 --> 00:47:36.920
<v Speaker 2>a great holiday season one way or another. You know,

749
00:47:37.039 --> 00:47:40.320
<v Speaker 2>Christmas is less than a week away now, and of

750
00:47:40.320 --> 00:47:43.719
<v Speaker 2>course the New Year the following week, so you know,

751
00:47:43.760 --> 00:47:47.480
<v Speaker 2>we'll talk sometime after that and cover for people what

752
00:47:47.599 --> 00:47:50.639
<v Speaker 2>it is that you have released in this book, which,

753
00:47:50.800 --> 00:47:54.280
<v Speaker 2>by the way, is Boiling listed as the co author.

754
00:47:54.840 --> 00:47:58.360
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, okay, it's me and David and it is.

755
00:47:58.400 --> 00:47:59.880
<v Speaker 1>It's interesting. We might want it to.

756
00:48:00.599 --> 00:48:03.960
<v Speaker 3>It's actually two books, and one really which we're trying

757
00:48:04.000 --> 00:48:07.519
<v Speaker 3>to get across because that's hard to communicate. One half

758
00:48:07.559 --> 00:48:11.519
<v Speaker 3>of the book is who what really was Lee Rvy Oswald?

759
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<v Speaker 3>And what did the world look like through his eyes?

760
00:48:14.719 --> 00:48:16.840
<v Speaker 3>Not what we wanted to make it look like or

761
00:48:16.880 --> 00:48:19.800
<v Speaker 3>the Warrant Commission, you know, what was the world like

762
00:48:19.920 --> 00:48:21.159
<v Speaker 3>to Lee Harvey Oswald?

763
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<v Speaker 1>What were his agendas?

764
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<v Speaker 3>The second half of the book deals with why he

765
00:48:25.599 --> 00:48:29.159
<v Speaker 3>behaves strangely on November twenty second, which had nothing to

766
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<v Speaker 3>do with shooting President Kennedy.

767
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<v Speaker 2>And you ever noticed that strange behavior is only called

768
00:48:35.239 --> 00:48:40.000
<v Speaker 2>strange behavior until you understand what's actually happening during that behavior.

769
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<v Speaker 2>Then it all starts to what makes sense.

770
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<v Speaker 3>And strange behavior. That's one of the things we're trying

771
00:48:45.920 --> 00:48:49.440
<v Speaker 3>to get across. Strange behavior looks strange from the outside,

772
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<v Speaker 3>especially afterwards.

773
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but for.

774
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<v Speaker 3>An individual, behavior is either it is not strange. They

775
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<v Speaker 3>know what they're doing, they have an agenda. Like internally,

776
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<v Speaker 3>it's not strange. Externally it may look strange, but nobody

777
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<v Speaker 3>may comment unless something. If Oswald had gone about what

778
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<v Speaker 3>he was doing on a regular day and the president

779
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<v Speaker 3>had not been shot, we would not even know about him.

780
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<v Speaker 2>Now, nobody would notice the strange behavior unless something occurred

781
00:49:21.840 --> 00:49:24.320
<v Speaker 2>to call your attention to it. And here's the problem.

782
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<v Speaker 2>Just because your attention has been called to it does

783
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<v Speaker 2>not mean you understand the circumstances that created the situation

784
00:49:30.719 --> 00:49:33.960
<v Speaker 2>that this behavior occurred in. I know that's long winded,

785
00:49:34.000 --> 00:49:37.599
<v Speaker 2>but that's exactly what it is we're looking at here. Anyway.

786
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<v Speaker 2>It is.

787
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<v Speaker 3>And when you have a guy in jail who's for

788
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<v Speaker 3>killing the president, his wife comes to visit him, and

789
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<v Speaker 3>his main concern is is she going to get new

790
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<v Speaker 3>baby shoes?

791
00:49:47.519 --> 00:49:48.719
<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Did you get the new shoes?

792
00:49:49.239 --> 00:49:52.000
<v Speaker 1>It's like, wait a minute, what was really on his mind?

793
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<v Speaker 1>WHOA what's going on here? Yeah?

794
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<v Speaker 2>Oh, by the way, I know all this is going

795
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<v Speaker 2>on but make sure Junior gets some new shoes June. Okay, sure,

796
00:50:01.840 --> 00:50:04.960
<v Speaker 2>it makes sense to nobody except him because he's in

797
00:50:05.000 --> 00:50:06.159
<v Speaker 2>the circumstance anyway.

798
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<v Speaker 1>But we'll get there.

799
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<v Speaker 2>We'll get into all that and a whole lot more

800
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<v Speaker 2>in the coming years. So again, Larry, I hope you

801
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<v Speaker 2>have a great holiday, and we'll talk again sometime in January.

802
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<v Speaker 1>Okay, all right, Merry Christmas, Chuck.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely, and you guys out there listening. We have tomorrow

804
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<v Speaker 2>night's call in show for sure, and yeah, we'll be

805
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<v Speaker 2>talking to Larry in January. Until then, I absolutely support

806
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<v Speaker 2>and endorse all of Larry's work, all of it that

807
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<v Speaker 2>exists so far. I got a feeling I'm going to

808
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<v Speaker 2>endorse the Soswald book as well, but I haven't read

809
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<v Speaker 2>the whole thing yet, so we'll see when it comes out,

810
00:50:39.920 --> 00:50:44.400
<v Speaker 2>right anyway, Larry Dashhancock dot com. Check out Larry's blog.

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<v Speaker 2>All of his works again, all of them endorsed by

812
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<v Speaker 2>me sitting on my shelf, taking up a lot of space,

813
00:50:50.119 --> 00:50:54.159
<v Speaker 2>but not just taking up space. Incredible stuff, whether it

814
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<v Speaker 2>is the various books that do have something to do

815
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<v Speaker 2>with the Kennedy assassination, like Tipping Point, the upcoming Oswald puzzle.

816
00:51:01.280 --> 00:51:03.400
<v Speaker 2>Someone would have talked that one's a little old, but

817
00:51:03.440 --> 00:51:07.159
<v Speaker 2>it's been reissued a few times, gotta say. Or it

818
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<v Speaker 2>is the other works by Larry and some of his

819
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<v Speaker 2>fine co authors like Stu Wexler, David Boyle In et cetera.

820
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<v Speaker 2>You know what, all great stuff Larrydashhandcock dot com. Go there,

821
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<v Speaker 2>check it out and remember this. At o'chelly dot com,

822
00:51:22.119 --> 00:51:24.920
<v Speaker 2>come on buy and anything you chip in will be

823
00:51:25.000 --> 00:51:27.800
<v Speaker 2>helpful during this holiday season. If you can, I would

824
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<v Speaker 2>greatly appreciate it. But there it is. The donate button

825
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<v Speaker 2>at o'chelly dot com is available twenty four to seven,

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<v Speaker 2>just like our online radio station is. Anyway, I am

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<v Speaker 2>merely o'celly. All of you are indeed the effect Chili

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<v Speaker 2>dot com