WEBVTT 1 00:00:04.639 --> 00:00:05.679 Willing wave. 2 00:00:18.359 --> 00:00:19.640 Why from the Lord. 3 00:00:20.079 --> 00:00:31.079 It's Sunday Night, NBC's Saturday Night. 4 00:00:35.280 --> 00:00:37.479 Starring George Carlin. 5 00:00:41.119 --> 00:00:43.000 With Genesee and that Billy Kriston. 6 00:00:43.039 --> 00:01:03.280 Who I found my Albert Brooks, Jim Henson's Puppets good 7 00:01:03.399 --> 00:01:14.640 not already Prime Prime Player. I'm comedian Ballery Bronfield and Moldy. 8 00:01:17.879 --> 00:01:18.760 Ladies and gen. 9 00:01:21.319 --> 00:01:21.719 Colen. 10 00:01:26.200 --> 00:01:29.319 Wow, it's great to be hosting midnight Viewing here in 11 00:01:29.519 --> 00:01:32.439 New York City. I'm father alone. Oh, I guess we're 12 00:01:32.439 --> 00:01:35.040 gonna take some questions from the audience. Yes, so you sir, 13 00:01:36.280 --> 00:01:41.280 Good evening. That's right, Welcome to Midnight Viewing. Special crossover 14 00:01:41.359 --> 00:01:46.280 episode with the Culture Cast The Evening. Oh yeah, Christatio 15 00:01:46.359 --> 00:01:47.799 is the host of that show, and he's here to 16 00:01:47.840 --> 00:01:51.280 talk Saturday Night Live with us here. How are you doing, Chris? 17 00:01:51.799 --> 00:01:53.879 You could just refer to me as Satan if you'd. 18 00:01:53.799 --> 00:01:57.079 Like Satan in the Dana Carvey sense, or in the 19 00:01:57.120 --> 00:01:58.040 John Loves. 20 00:01:59.000 --> 00:02:01.120 In the Michael O'donniere's. 21 00:02:00.799 --> 00:02:02.840 The true devil, the best, the true. 22 00:02:02.640 --> 00:02:05.640 Devil, the best kind of devil, the true, the truest 23 00:02:05.680 --> 00:02:07.400 of true devils. I believe, at least in this movie 24 00:02:07.480 --> 00:02:08.240 is approximation. 25 00:02:09.159 --> 00:02:12.759 That's right tonight, we're talking about Saturday Night. It's the 26 00:02:12.800 --> 00:02:16.159 new feature film. Hey, by the way, today is October 27 00:02:16.199 --> 00:02:19.680 the eleventh. This is the forty ninth anniversary of the 28 00:02:19.680 --> 00:02:23.639 premiere of Saturday Night Alive. That we're talking about Saturday Night, 29 00:02:24.159 --> 00:02:26.159 and we're talking about the film Saturday Night, directed by 30 00:02:26.319 --> 00:02:30.599 Jason Rightman, written by Jason Rightman and Gil Keenan, starring 31 00:02:30.599 --> 00:02:32.960 a whole bunch of actors. 32 00:02:34.840 --> 00:02:38.919 Statements have been made. It's an ensemble cast, folks, Jesus. 33 00:02:38.520 --> 00:02:42.240 Ain't it a rather huge ensemble cast headed by young 34 00:02:42.280 --> 00:02:45.599 Steven Spielberg as Lauren Michaels. This is a chronicle of 35 00:02:45.639 --> 00:02:48.639 the ninety minutes leading up to the very first broadcast 36 00:02:48.680 --> 00:02:52.360 of Saturday Night Live on October the eleventh, nineteen seventy five. Okay, 37 00:02:52.400 --> 00:02:52.919 let's see. 38 00:02:52.759 --> 00:02:54.080 If we get through one of these sketches. 39 00:02:54.400 --> 00:03:12.400 Sketches, let me come right. Okay, we go again. 40 00:03:12.400 --> 00:03:15.879 At My name is Lord Michaels. I'm the producer and 41 00:03:16.039 --> 00:03:20.879 creator of Saturday Night. We're excited because there's never been 42 00:03:20.879 --> 00:03:22.039 a television show like this. 43 00:03:23.120 --> 00:03:24.280 Okay, but what kind of show is it? 44 00:03:24.360 --> 00:03:24.560 Warren? 45 00:03:24.639 --> 00:03:25.680 Do you even know what the show is? 46 00:03:25.800 --> 00:03:28.280 Did anyone ask Edison what a light bulb was before 47 00:03:28.280 --> 00:03:29.439 you harness electricity? 48 00:03:30.879 --> 00:03:34.680 Who are you in the metaphor? Yubby Chase killed the 49 00:03:35.000 --> 00:03:36.520 redner Dad? 50 00:03:36.800 --> 00:03:39.360 I how the fuck do you pronounce this? 51 00:03:40.360 --> 00:03:40.639 Really? 52 00:03:41.240 --> 00:03:42.360 These can't be the right size. 53 00:03:42.680 --> 00:03:45.159 Yeah, you're right, they should be a little bit smaller. 54 00:03:48.840 --> 00:03:52.280 Taxn rehearsal and no weekend up days. 55 00:03:53.319 --> 00:03:57.240 Good telem me. How long have you been standing there? 56 00:03:57.680 --> 00:03:58.280 Long enough? 57 00:03:59.800 --> 00:04:02.000 And I want you to fail? They're betting on it. 58 00:04:02.159 --> 00:04:04.199 That's logical, Vic, That's why the pang is all to 59 00:04:04.240 --> 00:04:07.280 be here. NBC makes more money playing ruins of the 60 00:04:07.280 --> 00:04:10.759 Tonight Show. I mean, we're ninety minutes of live television. 61 00:04:10.800 --> 00:04:13.080 I grow was twenty year olds who've never made anything. 62 00:04:13.599 --> 00:04:15.560 Okay, so this is this is this is a bit. 63 00:04:16.079 --> 00:04:18.920 I don't get half the ship that they do. 64 00:04:18.959 --> 00:04:20.079 You haven't locked the script. 65 00:04:20.319 --> 00:04:21.720 Your actors I'm missing. 66 00:04:21.560 --> 00:04:22.639 Have you seen John Belushi? 67 00:04:22.800 --> 00:04:26.720 Your crew is an open rebellion? Is christ your kids 68 00:04:26.720 --> 00:04:29.439 signed for ready for prime Time? Never went down to 69 00:04:29.480 --> 00:04:34.680 the eight floor? Now what is this? 70 00:04:34.879 --> 00:04:35.959 I'm pretty exciting. 71 00:04:37.079 --> 00:04:39.160 We need to let the audience say, oh, you don't. 72 00:04:41.240 --> 00:04:41.600 Opening. 73 00:04:42.639 --> 00:04:49.360 I'm not gonna be able to protect you. You just 74 00:04:49.439 --> 00:04:51.439 have to make it. Dair, Why. 75 00:04:54.199 --> 00:04:56.839 The writers tied a belt around Big Bird's neck and 76 00:04:57.000 --> 00:04:59.120 hung him from my dressing room door. 77 00:04:59.360 --> 00:05:02.240 Hey you heard about it, big bird, So sorry, not 78 00:05:02.360 --> 00:05:03.399 erotic asphyxiation. 79 00:05:03.480 --> 00:05:03.920 Who knew? 80 00:05:06.199 --> 00:05:09.040 Now? That is the conceit of the movie. It is. 81 00:05:09.199 --> 00:05:12.199 It is shot in real time. It is starts from 82 00:05:12.279 --> 00:05:15.240 ten PM and ends at eleven thirty with the first 83 00:05:15.240 --> 00:05:19.920 sketch of center and live going live. Okay, So that 84 00:05:20.160 --> 00:05:24.959 is the structure for their film. The conceit. The idea 85 00:05:25.079 --> 00:05:28.639 here is that we are going to get how frenetic 86 00:05:29.040 --> 00:05:33.720 and how frenzied and how crazy it is putting together 87 00:05:33.839 --> 00:05:37.040 a live broadcast on network Televisionright, We're suppose we're meant 88 00:05:37.079 --> 00:05:41.040 to feel what it's like from these characters' point of view. 89 00:05:41.480 --> 00:05:43.839 So what he's done is going to take the ninety 90 00:05:43.879 --> 00:05:46.879 minutes and use this as a historical framing device. This 91 00:05:46.959 --> 00:05:49.680 is what it was like beforehand. But it's a movie. 92 00:05:50.079 --> 00:05:54.120 So we're going to take facts and events and characters 93 00:05:54.160 --> 00:05:55.560 are going to combine. Then we're going to bring them 94 00:05:55.560 --> 00:05:58.519 in from earlier than they actually occurred, or we're going 95 00:05:58.560 --> 00:06:02.680 to pull them in from previous weeks and compacted into 96 00:06:02.720 --> 00:06:08.000 this one sort of bonkers evening. I full disclosure. Am 97 00:06:08.000 --> 00:06:11.120 a Saturday Night fucking fanatic, have been. I've seen every 98 00:06:11.160 --> 00:06:13.439 episode of Saturday Night Live. I've read everything about Sunday 99 00:06:13.480 --> 00:06:16.800 Night Live. I've seen episodes multiple times, seasons multiple times. 100 00:06:16.920 --> 00:06:20.439 I have my favorite cast, but I have multiple favorite casts, 101 00:06:20.959 --> 00:06:23.879 and this particular period of Saturday Live is the one 102 00:06:23.879 --> 00:06:26.279 that I was most fascinated with my entire life. So 103 00:06:26.519 --> 00:06:28.920 I'm coming at it from an expert point of view. 104 00:06:29.040 --> 00:06:31.240 So I knew the movie was never going to satisfy 105 00:06:31.360 --> 00:06:36.279 me just in its conception, but I am correct. But 106 00:06:37.079 --> 00:06:39.399 there was plenty two that I did enjoy about the movie. 107 00:06:39.560 --> 00:06:43.199 But I'm curious to someone who is a lot younger 108 00:06:43.240 --> 00:06:45.720 than me, who is not as obsessive with me as me, 109 00:06:46.120 --> 00:06:48.680 who's probably you've watched plenty of Sunday Night Live. I'm 110 00:06:48.680 --> 00:06:49.439 assuming Chris. 111 00:06:50.600 --> 00:06:53.560 Hold on a second, Hold on a second, I am 112 00:06:53.600 --> 00:06:54.600 as obsessive as you are. 113 00:06:54.879 --> 00:06:55.000 Is not. 114 00:06:55.120 --> 00:06:59.800 I'm not obsessive about Saturday Night Live. I point my 115 00:07:00.399 --> 00:07:03.920 in other directions. As it were, It's funny. I actually 116 00:07:04.000 --> 00:07:05.399 had to think about it, and I didn't have to 117 00:07:05.399 --> 00:07:08.759 think too hard because as someone who likes SNL a 118 00:07:08.839 --> 00:07:12.560 fair amount and who grew up with the DVDs and vhs. 119 00:07:12.639 --> 00:07:16.240 Is of the best of Dana Carvey, best of Adam Sandler, 120 00:07:16.439 --> 00:07:20.279 best of best of Christopher Walking, Jesus Christ that he 121 00:07:20.439 --> 00:07:23.240 was not a star of SNL, he was a guest 122 00:07:23.279 --> 00:07:27.800 host and he got his own best of DVD. That's again, 123 00:07:27.839 --> 00:07:30.639 these are the things I grew up with, and I again, 124 00:07:31.959 --> 00:07:34.759 we're part of the things that were formative for me. 125 00:07:34.879 --> 00:07:38.040 So I like SNL a fair amount. I've never gone 126 00:07:38.319 --> 00:07:43.399 and read the Oral History books or either of the books, 127 00:07:43.519 --> 00:07:46.839 and I don't know why, because I have Live from 128 00:07:46.839 --> 00:07:49.000 New York on my bookshelf and I've had it for 129 00:07:49.040 --> 00:07:51.920 a while, at least two or three years, and I 130 00:07:51.959 --> 00:07:54.800 went through a spate of time where I literally read 131 00:07:54.800 --> 00:07:56.560 two hundred books in the span of two years. And 132 00:07:56.639 --> 00:07:59.199 I don't know why I didn't read that one, because 133 00:07:59.279 --> 00:08:02.079 I read play of other things, including the Oral History 134 00:08:02.160 --> 00:08:04.879 of Star Trek, the Oral History of the Sopranos, the 135 00:08:05.000 --> 00:08:07.120 Oral History of Star Trek's two fucking books on top 136 00:08:07.120 --> 00:08:09.680 of everything else, Like I could have spared one. 137 00:08:09.800 --> 00:08:13.399 Even more given the number of Star Treks that there are. Well, yeah, 138 00:08:13.800 --> 00:08:15.199 original series. 139 00:08:15.439 --> 00:08:17.720 I I the first book is TOS and the second 140 00:08:17.759 --> 00:08:18.839 book is TNG. 141 00:08:19.120 --> 00:08:19.959 Okay, then they can. 142 00:08:21.319 --> 00:08:23.199 Yeah, and it's written by the guys who did the 143 00:08:23.319 --> 00:08:27.160 oral history of the Sopranos as well, Sepinwall and I 144 00:08:27.160 --> 00:08:29.560 forget the other guy's name, but our dear friend Mike 145 00:08:29.560 --> 00:08:32.519 White has had Alan Seppenwall, I believe on his show 146 00:08:32.679 --> 00:08:34.360 a couple of times, or at least the maybe if 147 00:08:34.399 --> 00:08:36.600 it's not him, it's the other guys. Anyways, I digress. 148 00:08:37.279 --> 00:08:40.759 I know enough about SNL. I wouldn't say, you know, 149 00:08:41.519 --> 00:08:44.399 I'm a neophyte like you, but I'm definitely someone who 150 00:08:45.440 --> 00:08:49.200 appreciates the history behind it. This time and a Place 151 00:08:49.200 --> 00:08:51.320 obviously has a very special place in my heart as 152 00:08:51.320 --> 00:08:54.000 someone who if you've never listened to a thing I've 153 00:08:54.000 --> 00:08:56.559 done before, let me clue you in. Fletch is probably 154 00:08:56.559 --> 00:08:59.879 one of my favorite movies, and most things Chevy Chase 155 00:09:00.039 --> 00:09:02.720 has done are things that I can at least tolerate 156 00:09:02.759 --> 00:09:04.000 because of his involvement. 157 00:09:04.799 --> 00:09:06.399 You do itally this podcast. 158 00:09:07.240 --> 00:09:09.600 I would say, I literally co host a goddamn Chevy 159 00:09:09.679 --> 00:09:13.480 Chase podcast. And that's not for any particular reason other 160 00:09:13.519 --> 00:09:17.279 than the fact that again you could. It's not you 161 00:09:17.320 --> 00:09:18.879 have to really hold my feet to the fire to 162 00:09:18.879 --> 00:09:21.879 watch a Chevy Chase movie. He's a specific kind of 163 00:09:21.919 --> 00:09:25.600 comedian that a specific kind of person resonates with, and 164 00:09:25.639 --> 00:09:29.360 that's not a small group of people. This movie cuts 165 00:09:29.360 --> 00:09:30.879 to the core of that a little bit. But I 166 00:09:30.879 --> 00:09:33.600 also think this movie misses the fucking point in a 167 00:09:33.600 --> 00:09:36.720 lot of ways. And it's fine, we'll get to what 168 00:09:36.840 --> 00:09:40.320 we get to it. I again, I'm not I'm I 169 00:09:40.360 --> 00:09:42.879 think I'm not the audience for this movie anymore than 170 00:09:42.919 --> 00:09:46.639 you are. I know more about this than the movie 171 00:09:47.000 --> 00:09:50.519 thinks I know about this, if that makes sense. Like 172 00:09:50.559 --> 00:09:55.000 you said, it's recontextualizing things, doing things that aren't happening 173 00:09:55.039 --> 00:09:58.519 in that order, and other things. And also I don't know, 174 00:09:58.600 --> 00:10:02.440 they're just there's a lot of stuff going on in 175 00:10:02.440 --> 00:10:05.600 this movie. That's It's a Jason Rightman movie at the 176 00:10:05.720 --> 00:10:08.440 end of the day, and that's that's a big thing 177 00:10:08.559 --> 00:10:12.519 about this movie in particular. So I'm curious, as someone 178 00:10:12.600 --> 00:10:18.000 who is not the die hard, hardcore fan, what did 179 00:10:18.080 --> 00:10:20.279 you think of this movie to now turn that turn 180 00:10:20.320 --> 00:10:22.600 that oil? What is it? I forget what she says 181 00:10:22.600 --> 00:10:24.360 to him and Hannah in the fucking Silence of Lambs, 182 00:10:24.360 --> 00:10:26.759 but turn it on yourself. Now, tell me about Saturday 183 00:10:26.799 --> 00:10:30.679 Night twenty twenty four of the film. 184 00:10:30.720 --> 00:10:35.679 It should be called Friday Night because the majority of 185 00:10:35.759 --> 00:10:39.600 the events chronicled in the film. Okay, I should just 186 00:10:39.639 --> 00:10:43.559 say that I'm now attacking the movie specifically on facts 187 00:10:43.879 --> 00:10:46.200 as they occur, right objectively. 188 00:10:46.519 --> 00:10:48.440 Okay, yeah, I get it. 189 00:10:48.840 --> 00:10:52.600 Okay, Friday Night there was a big dress rehearsal. It 190 00:10:52.679 --> 00:10:55.840 was a complete and utter disaster. Like the show ran 191 00:10:55.919 --> 00:11:00.960 three hours. They did a long breakdown afterwards. Lauren Michaels 192 00:11:01.000 --> 00:11:04.240 gave notes to everybody, which they immediately abolished afterwards because 193 00:11:04.279 --> 00:11:06.399 it was like such a punishing ordeal to sit there 194 00:11:06.399 --> 00:11:08.559 and listen to him for an hour talk specifically to 195 00:11:08.600 --> 00:11:14.120 everyone what they did wrong. It was by then they 196 00:11:14.159 --> 00:11:17.360 had already put in the new soundboard because they knew 197 00:11:17.399 --> 00:11:19.639 full they were having rock acts on and that one 198 00:11:19.679 --> 00:11:23.879 mic wasn't going to suffice. Milton Berle did not show 199 00:11:23.960 --> 00:11:27.480 up anywhere near the studio eight h He would eventually 200 00:11:27.639 --> 00:11:30.679 host Saturday Night Live. A lot of the interactions with 201 00:11:30.759 --> 00:11:35.600 Milton Burle would actually occur just months later. Okay, we'll 202 00:11:35.600 --> 00:11:36.399 get back to milty. 203 00:11:37.759 --> 00:11:40.200 JK. Simmons was in Thank You for Smoking? Can I 204 00:11:40.240 --> 00:11:44.559 point that out? Yeah? The Jason rightman players are here. 205 00:11:44.399 --> 00:11:47.279 Folks, They sure are. And I do know that by 206 00:11:47.399 --> 00:11:51.639 six am on that Saturday that the bricks were laid. 207 00:11:51.960 --> 00:11:54.960 I know that twelve stage hands were very fucking furious 208 00:11:55.000 --> 00:11:58.159 because they had to cut all those bricks and lay 209 00:11:58.200 --> 00:12:01.639 them out for the set. Obviously none of the union 210 00:12:01.639 --> 00:12:04.480 guys were going to help them. That's true, but it's again, 211 00:12:05.919 --> 00:12:10.200 the movie is about Friday Night, not Saturday Night. Most 212 00:12:10.200 --> 00:12:14.000 of the problems that are being discussed on Saturday Night 213 00:12:14.080 --> 00:12:19.159 were not problems by then. Here's what actually happened in 214 00:12:19.200 --> 00:12:22.360 the movie. That actually happened on the day of John 215 00:12:22.399 --> 00:12:25.279 Belushi signed his contract right before they went on there. 216 00:12:27.799 --> 00:12:28.600 I think that's it. 217 00:12:31.240 --> 00:12:34.399 But where was Jim Henson and all of us? Where 218 00:12:34.440 --> 00:12:37.159 was Jim Henson and all of this? Father Malone? That's 219 00:12:37.200 --> 00:12:41.000 the question that everyone's asking in Saturday Night twenty twenty four. 220 00:12:41.200 --> 00:12:41.840 Did you think the. 221 00:12:41.799 --> 00:12:44.879 Guy who plays Andy Kaufman is also Jim Henson? Yes, 222 00:12:45.960 --> 00:12:50.200 I know, I'm not. I'm being Facetiousky itself is the 223 00:12:50.759 --> 00:12:51.679 gang good job moving. 224 00:12:52.200 --> 00:12:53.879 That is a good gang, and it's Nicholas Braun, and 225 00:12:53.919 --> 00:12:56.159 I think he does a good job with both. I 226 00:12:56.200 --> 00:12:58.799 think I think it is a pretty good Andy Kaufman, 227 00:12:59.200 --> 00:13:02.919 except he's seven feet tall. So I kept it kept 228 00:13:03.120 --> 00:13:05.399 I kept going, who is this giant playing Andy Kauffman? 229 00:13:05.559 --> 00:13:07.799 Every time I saw him, every time he was close up, 230 00:13:07.840 --> 00:13:09.960 I was fine, But standing next to anybody else, that 231 00:13:10.039 --> 00:13:13.360 was why have him be that tall? Just have him 232 00:13:13.399 --> 00:13:16.559 stand anyway? What did you think of their tank on 233 00:13:16.639 --> 00:13:19.159 Jim Henson? I'm not saying the performance. The performance was fine. 234 00:13:19.200 --> 00:13:20.639 It was a bit of a caricature. It was a 235 00:13:20.639 --> 00:13:22.279 bit of a impression. 236 00:13:22.559 --> 00:13:26.440 What did I think of the of the characterization the 237 00:13:26.480 --> 00:13:30.000 magical white Man of the movie? Is that what you're 238 00:13:30.039 --> 00:13:32.159 asking is that? What are you asking me of? Why 239 00:13:32.200 --> 00:13:34.720 is Jim Henson the magical white Man of the movie. 240 00:13:35.000 --> 00:13:38.720 It's so fucking bizarre. Can I say it's just fucking bizarre? Please? 241 00:13:38.799 --> 00:13:40.960 If they make a Jim Henson movie, which I believe 242 00:13:41.039 --> 00:13:44.039 they are, can we not have this shit be the 243 00:13:44.080 --> 00:13:47.360 Jim Henson character, because it's fucking strange that he's this 244 00:13:47.480 --> 00:13:51.480 movie's like shaman character. Not but he's just a stoner, 245 00:13:51.559 --> 00:13:53.320 but not a stoner, you know what. 246 00:13:53.399 --> 00:13:55.519 I would like it if he was the shaman character 247 00:13:55.559 --> 00:13:58.080 and he was like spreading good vibes in here, but 248 00:13:58.279 --> 00:13:59.159 he's more of a sood. 249 00:13:59.159 --> 00:14:00.440 I didn't mean a shaman like that. 250 00:14:00.600 --> 00:14:03.080 He's a gentle subject of ridicule, I think, and I 251 00:14:03.080 --> 00:14:05.559 think they want to be more vicious, honestly, and I 252 00:14:05.600 --> 00:14:08.759 bet and I bet at the time they were more vicious. 253 00:14:08.879 --> 00:14:12.360 Can you imagine the actual things Michael o'donnahu was saying 254 00:14:12.519 --> 00:14:13.399 about the Muppets? 255 00:14:14.240 --> 00:14:16.320 Oh man, isn't that the best part of the. 256 00:14:16.240 --> 00:14:21.159 Movie, Michael o'donah here. Yeah, yeah, let's just talk Michael o'donia. 257 00:14:21.240 --> 00:14:24.039 This is one of those things where having a working 258 00:14:24.080 --> 00:14:28.399 knowledge of everything involved is a benefit, because as soon 259 00:14:28.440 --> 00:14:30.679 as they cut to that guy, I'm like, oh, hey, 260 00:14:30.840 --> 00:14:36.120 here's Michael o'donnia Everyone here is. Everyone resembles who they're 261 00:14:36.159 --> 00:14:40.919 playing enough that that really works. The cast in general 262 00:14:41.480 --> 00:14:46.080 really works in this movie. But that guy in particular. 263 00:14:45.759 --> 00:14:48.200 Tommy Dewey from Casual. 264 00:14:49.879 --> 00:14:51.879 I've never seen him. If I hadn't no where he's from. 265 00:14:53.120 --> 00:14:56.039 This is the second interpretation of Michael o'donna here I've 266 00:14:56.080 --> 00:14:57.879 now seen. There was a movie a couple of years 267 00:14:57.879 --> 00:15:01.200 ago as Netflix film a Feudal in Stupid Gesture, where 268 00:15:01.200 --> 00:15:04.000 Thomas Lennon played Michael O'donahue and he did a great 269 00:15:04.080 --> 00:15:06.799 Michael O'DONNAU, but everyone was a little bit amped up 270 00:15:06.840 --> 00:15:08.879 in their performances there. I think this is more like 271 00:15:08.919 --> 00:15:10.279 who that guy actually was. 272 00:15:10.960 --> 00:15:12.759 I think you love him though I do. 273 00:15:12.960 --> 00:15:14.600 Actually no, I do as well. 274 00:15:14.720 --> 00:15:16.080 He's like comedy Dan O'Bannon. 275 00:15:16.600 --> 00:15:18.200 He really is what. 276 00:15:18.240 --> 00:15:19.840 A thorny motherfucker. 277 00:15:20.879 --> 00:15:22.759 I bet he was a nightmare to be around. 278 00:15:22.799 --> 00:15:24.759 But hey, we talked about it last year on my 279 00:15:24.840 --> 00:15:27.919 show Because of You. We talked about mister Mike's Mondo video, 280 00:15:28.000 --> 00:15:30.919 which is pretty fucking I believe the term Prickley was 281 00:15:31.039 --> 00:15:33.519 used plenty of times in relation to that, and I 282 00:15:33.519 --> 00:15:37.159 would say this movie nails what I perceived to be 283 00:15:37.799 --> 00:15:40.320 when doing the research then about the man that he 284 00:15:40.480 --> 00:15:42.679 was and the things that he was writing. That is 285 00:15:42.720 --> 00:15:44.879 the person that he was to the end. Look at 286 00:15:44.879 --> 00:15:46.919 his Wikipedia pictures him holding a or I guess his 287 00:15:46.960 --> 00:15:50.799 IMDb pictures him holding a fucking chef's knife, like the 288 00:15:51.200 --> 00:15:52.639 when he says to the woman in this movie, you 289 00:15:52.639 --> 00:15:54.799 can just call me Satan and say, yeah, I resonate 290 00:15:54.840 --> 00:15:56.759 with this guy more than I resonate with anybody else 291 00:15:56.799 --> 00:15:57.200 in the movie. 292 00:15:57.240 --> 00:16:00.960 For the most part, the rest of the cast, they 293 00:16:01.039 --> 00:16:04.480 either resemble the person so fucking much that there's no 294 00:16:04.600 --> 00:16:07.120 question that they don't need to have a performance or 295 00:16:07.639 --> 00:16:10.600 they get there, they get the characterization of them. They 296 00:16:10.720 --> 00:16:14.360 they're some sort of mannerism or vocal pattern. Like the 297 00:16:14.360 --> 00:16:17.240 guy doing dan akright doesn't look a thing like dan aykright. 298 00:16:17.279 --> 00:16:20.000 But if you signed Dylan O'Brien does not look like 299 00:16:20.080 --> 00:16:21.080 dan Akroight at all. 300 00:16:21.320 --> 00:16:23.080 It's not a mustache on somebody to give him a 301 00:16:23.080 --> 00:16:25.679 shaggy en a haircut back then and you get him 302 00:16:25.720 --> 00:16:28.639 speaking the way this guy is speaking, then that's dan akright. 303 00:16:28.759 --> 00:16:30.360 You know what he looks like. He looks like dan 304 00:16:30.399 --> 00:16:33.679 akrod through the AI lens of sexy. What if dan 305 00:16:33.720 --> 00:16:35.600 Akrid was like, hey, I'm not saying dan Akward is 306 00:16:35.639 --> 00:16:37.679 not a good looking guy, but if dan Ackroyd were 307 00:16:37.720 --> 00:16:40.600 like the episode of The Simpsons where Moe gets his 308 00:16:40.679 --> 00:16:43.039 face smashed and he becomes like sexy Mo, it's like 309 00:16:43.120 --> 00:16:44.639 that sexy dan akright. 310 00:16:44.720 --> 00:16:46.559 It's the biopic version of dan akright. 311 00:16:46.679 --> 00:16:49.080 Yeah, everybody's sexy in this movie. But I'll tell you, man, 312 00:16:49.559 --> 00:16:52.440 look Lemon name Morris as Garrett Morris. Are you just 313 00:16:52.480 --> 00:16:53.200 Garrett Morris? 314 00:16:53.720 --> 00:16:56.519 It's really it's yeah, it's. 315 00:16:56.480 --> 00:16:59.639 I literally, I'm like, are you just Garrett Morris, Like, 316 00:17:00.480 --> 00:17:02.200 what the actual flying fuck? 317 00:17:02.440 --> 00:17:05.079 It's a bit eerie. And Matt Wood and certain shots 318 00:17:05.079 --> 00:17:07.359 as John Belushia, I'm just like, that's John beluci In. 319 00:17:07.480 --> 00:17:10.960 Then yeah, Like some of those profile shots are just like, yep, 320 00:17:11.000 --> 00:17:13.799 there he is. That's yep, yep. Can I say, though, 321 00:17:13.799 --> 00:17:16.359 Gabriel LaBelle, are you making a are you now making 322 00:17:16.400 --> 00:17:18.720 a cottage industry of just playing like the names of 323 00:17:18.799 --> 00:17:24.319 show business? Even Spielberg, Yeah, okay, really good. 324 00:17:24.359 --> 00:17:28.240 Lauren Michaels, though, doesn't didn't play into the fucking impressions 325 00:17:28.240 --> 00:17:31.799 that we've been getting of lovable doctor evil Lorne Michaels. 326 00:17:31.839 --> 00:17:33.920 Okay, so that's the thing. The one character in the 327 00:17:33.960 --> 00:17:36.359 movie I wasn't really clear on the characterization was the 328 00:17:36.400 --> 00:17:40.480 Lorne Michaels character because the movie doesn't It doesn't that 329 00:17:40.559 --> 00:17:42.200 the movie doesn't take a stand on it. It's just 330 00:17:42.279 --> 00:17:45.279 the movie paints him very romantically. 331 00:17:45.640 --> 00:17:46.880 Oh it's which. 332 00:17:46.640 --> 00:17:48.359 I get, and at the end of the movie gets 333 00:17:48.359 --> 00:17:50.000 me where him and what he's having it out with 334 00:17:50.039 --> 00:17:52.799 Willem Dafoe. That got me straight up, like it got 335 00:17:52.799 --> 00:17:54.920 me in my being as a creative and I think 336 00:17:54.920 --> 00:17:57.519 anybody watching the movie would probably feel the same way. 337 00:17:57.559 --> 00:18:00.680 But that's the fucking point because the movie's manipoly manipulating 338 00:18:00.720 --> 00:18:04.319 you pretty hard at that point. But I think it works, 339 00:18:04.440 --> 00:18:06.759 and I think it's because of his performance. But it's 340 00:18:06.920 --> 00:18:11.240 very romantic, like very fucking rose tinted glasses. I've got 341 00:18:11.240 --> 00:18:12.160 to assume. 342 00:18:13.640 --> 00:18:17.039 His No, his performance I think is spot on, actually. 343 00:18:16.799 --> 00:18:19.839 But I'm talking more to it the movies portrayal of him, 344 00:18:20.160 --> 00:18:23.119 not his portrayal, but like the movie's character, I guess, 345 00:18:23.160 --> 00:18:26.039 not even characterization. The way the movie has him playthings 346 00:18:26.079 --> 00:18:29.720 out is very romantic. His portrayal, I'm assuming, is very 347 00:18:29.920 --> 00:18:32.680 spot on, just everybody else's. Is Nobody sticks out in 348 00:18:32.720 --> 00:18:36.279 this movie as that's not a good even JK. Simmons, 349 00:18:36.319 --> 00:18:39.480 who like you said, there's no reason Milton Burrow's in 350 00:18:39.519 --> 00:18:43.759 this even he's like not doing a bad version of that. 351 00:18:43.920 --> 00:18:47.359 It's decent enough, doesn't stick out, and it's the one 352 00:18:47.400 --> 00:18:50.480 thing that might have stuck out, like a thirteen stick. 353 00:18:50.759 --> 00:18:53.519 Now he's doing a good Milton Burrow. That's all fine. 354 00:18:53.559 --> 00:18:56.599 Everyone's doing a good job. And the Milton Berle character 355 00:18:56.720 --> 00:19:00.759 is there because it eventually would happen. But it's there 356 00:19:00.799 --> 00:19:03.480 to hammer home one of the themes of this movie, 357 00:19:03.599 --> 00:19:08.400 which is the old Guard not only not understanding what 358 00:19:08.440 --> 00:19:11.480 these kids are up to, but actively trying to suppress them. 359 00:19:11.480 --> 00:19:14.599 You mentioned the Willing Defaux character. He's playing Dave Tebbett, 360 00:19:14.680 --> 00:19:18.680 who was a NBC executive. One of the subplots of 361 00:19:18.720 --> 00:19:20.720 the movie. We'll deal with the cast as they come up, 362 00:19:20.759 --> 00:19:22.640 but one of the subplots in the movie is that 363 00:19:22.680 --> 00:19:25.000 the affiliates are there, and you have to win over 364 00:19:25.039 --> 00:19:27.480 the affiliates if you want to get your show into 365 00:19:27.559 --> 00:19:31.480 every market. We have these we have literally a room 366 00:19:31.519 --> 00:19:36.599 full of fifty white men smoking old drink and martinz 367 00:19:36.920 --> 00:19:41.039 eating prime ribs, like this cartoon mob that just like 368 00:19:41.160 --> 00:19:44.359 wanders around, like to show up and put the pressure on. 369 00:19:44.720 --> 00:19:48.119 And of course this is something that did not occur. Yes, 370 00:19:48.839 --> 00:19:50.599 you have to go meet the affiliates and you have 371 00:19:50.680 --> 00:19:52.079 to do a meet and greet and all that kind 372 00:19:52.079 --> 00:19:54.319 of thing, and it did happen. It happened weeks before. 373 00:19:54.920 --> 00:19:57.400 This movie is about the weeks leading up to Saturday 374 00:19:57.480 --> 00:20:01.079 Night Live. And that's fine. Again, they're compressing it all, 375 00:20:01.119 --> 00:20:05.880 but like that some plot, in particular the having to 376 00:20:05.920 --> 00:20:08.480 convince the suits what are the suits doing there at 377 00:20:08.519 --> 00:20:11.720 ten pm on a Saturday night, those guys would be 378 00:20:11.759 --> 00:20:12.680 out getting laid. 379 00:20:12.880 --> 00:20:14.039 Does anyone have a camera? 380 00:20:15.640 --> 00:20:20.799 Cooper hoff Philip Seymour Hoffman's son as Dick Eversoll, who 381 00:20:20.839 --> 00:20:23.400 does a good job that Dick Eversol got kicked around 382 00:20:23.440 --> 00:20:26.160 a lot, I think by the SNL folk because he 383 00:20:26.319 --> 00:20:28.200 was the suit, but he was their suit, and he 384 00:20:28.279 --> 00:20:31.720 was dealing with the actual suits, and he kept the 385 00:20:31.720 --> 00:20:34.720 show on the air when it very well could have died. 386 00:20:35.079 --> 00:20:37.319 And I thought Cooper Hoffin did a really good job 387 00:20:37.400 --> 00:20:38.920 in that part. 388 00:20:39.160 --> 00:20:41.240 That was the other thing I wanted to mention here 389 00:20:41.279 --> 00:20:45.160 speaking of Dick Eversoll, Dick Eversol is also intimately involved 390 00:20:45.160 --> 00:20:49.079 in another person's life that has now become under the microscope, 391 00:20:49.079 --> 00:20:50.640 at least, and not in a positive way the way 392 00:20:50.680 --> 00:20:54.119 Lorn Michael's life has been. Dick Eversol and Vince McMahon 393 00:20:54.519 --> 00:20:58.519 a very close good friends, and Dick Eversoll was instrumental 394 00:20:58.559 --> 00:21:02.359 in WrestleMania becoming thing in a lot of ways. And 395 00:21:02.599 --> 00:21:05.480 Dick Ebersol and Vince McMahon launched the XFL in the 396 00:21:05.559 --> 00:21:09.599 nineties together. So that's a thing. And I'm actually in 397 00:21:09.640 --> 00:21:11.880 a lot of ways. This movie reminds me of what 398 00:21:11.920 --> 00:21:14.519 you would do if you were telling the ninety minutes 399 00:21:14.559 --> 00:21:18.240 before WrestleMania story, where you have Cindy Lauper show up 400 00:21:18.240 --> 00:21:21.200 and Liberachi show up and fucking mister t Schope. Okay, 401 00:21:21.640 --> 00:21:24.799