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<v Speaker 2>All right, We'll talk about the Mavericks in just a second.

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<v Speaker 2>Here's where we are with the Cowboys coaching search and

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<v Speaker 2>all that stuff. If they are actually searching, who knows.

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<v Speaker 2>They did deny permission to the Bears to interview Mike McCarthy,

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<v Speaker 2>so they're just hanging in which saying tell you that

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<v Speaker 2>probably that means McCarthy's back. McCarthy's probably back, and they're

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<v Speaker 2>negotiating it, and Jerry's saving pennies and maybe trying to

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<v Speaker 2>throw in some incentives in there. I'll give you two

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<v Speaker 2>million dollars more you get us to the championship game.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, that's probably what's going on, unless it's not,

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<v Speaker 2>but that's probably what's going on. Jerry's done a really

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<v Speaker 2>good job of keeping it pretty. He didn't slip up

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<v Speaker 2>like a normal eighty three year old man would like

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<v Speaker 2>the slip up and tell you what they're doing. Nah,

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<v Speaker 2>I kind of still don't know, but that's where it

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<v Speaker 2>seems like this is going. So enjoya McCarthy everyone. That's

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<v Speaker 2>just unfortunate if you were really wanting change.

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<v Speaker 1>It is bizarre too, because it really felt like the

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<v Speaker 1>Cowboys are gonna part way with him during the season,

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<v Speaker 1>and it seemed like they had their guy, but maybe not.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe maybe Jerry's just winging it. But I do know this.

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<v Speaker 1>Jerry is a master marketer, and so he doesn't want

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<v Speaker 1>to rush out immediately and just say yep, McCarthy's the guy,

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<v Speaker 1>because then the story's dead. And every day that the

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<v Speaker 1>story lives, it's free publicity for the ten billion dollar brand.

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<v Speaker 1>So why would he want it to go away? He

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<v Speaker 1>wants if he has a deal with McCarthy, then the

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<v Speaker 1>stipulation is you can't say anything about it till we

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<v Speaker 1>milk this for every penny it's worth.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and he's got seven days to keep this on

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<v Speaker 2>his timeline and I'm not moving off what I'm doing,

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<v Speaker 2>you know.

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<v Speaker 3>So it's it's just very u it's very It's it's

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<v Speaker 3>actually not surprising.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, you're not going to go out and interview

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<v Speaker 2>a bunch of dudes, and it's not because of laziness,

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<v Speaker 2>it's because of comfort.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I was thinking about this whole aspect of it.

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<v Speaker 1>Of Okay, so if you know you're not bringing McCarthy back,

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<v Speaker 1>and you deny him the chance to go interview you somewhere,

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<v Speaker 1>that's horrible form. Then I was like, all right, who

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<v Speaker 1>is that horrible? Form?

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<v Speaker 4>Two?

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<v Speaker 1>And the reason Jerry probably doesn't think it's horrible for

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<v Speaker 1>him is because he's like the Dallas Cowboys. The line

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<v Speaker 1>forms to the left of everyone that would drop what

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<v Speaker 1>they're doing and run here to coach our team. And

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<v Speaker 1>you signed a contract that has you under contract for

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<v Speaker 1>another week, so what that's what you signed. So it's

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<v Speaker 1>like it is poor form. In the rest of the world,

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<v Speaker 1>especially the NFL world, would look at that as complete trash.

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<v Speaker 1>But Jerry thinks that everyone wants to be here more

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<v Speaker 1>than anything, and they would do anything to be here.

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<v Speaker 1>It's why they low ball everybody. And then at the

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<v Speaker 1>very end they're like, oh, wait, no, we can't lowball you.

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<v Speaker 1>We have to pay market value here it is we've

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<v Speaker 1>waited too long. You're going to miss the first month

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<v Speaker 1>of the season because they think everyone's just going to

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<v Speaker 1>do whatever they want to be a Dallas Cowboy.

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<v Speaker 2>Which is not true now anymore, because that's what might

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<v Speaker 2>have been. That's what no, that's what agents are for. Agents,

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<v Speaker 2>Go dude, are you serious? Hold by that crap?

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<v Speaker 1>You guys are right, But I'm wanting to Micah, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>glad you said Micah. Will Micah fall for it? Will

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<v Speaker 1>Micah take less money? Because he does want to be

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<v Speaker 1>a Dallas cowboy and he sees the value in that,

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<v Speaker 1>and they've got him convinced. Look, if you take us

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<v Speaker 1>for all the money you're worth, we're screwed. We need

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<v Speaker 1>to go get other players. We need you to get

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<v Speaker 1>your deal done quickly and give us a home team

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<v Speaker 1>hometown discount. You think he's going to fall for the

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<v Speaker 1>banana in the podcast routine? Yes, yes, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>His agent is David Mulgletta, So keep that in mind

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<v Speaker 2>where going with this stuff. Mike has done a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of stuff. Micah is one of those guys. He's kind

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<v Speaker 2>of like Jerry where he almost had to take a

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<v Speaker 2>grain of salt what Micah says, because he will flip

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<v Speaker 2>flop on you in a week. Like he's talked about

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<v Speaker 2>saving us staying taking less, and he's also talked about,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I'm just here to get my money, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>like Micha's greazy.

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<v Speaker 3>That's what happens. We give Mike an hour show every week.

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<v Speaker 2>It's great. I got a clip of Micah here for

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<v Speaker 2>twenty seconds. Cowboys fans just enjoy this. This is beautiful, dude,

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<v Speaker 2>This is great.

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<v Speaker 3>Is what do you want to hear?

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<v Speaker 5>We are not done yet and our hope, y'all don't

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<v Speaker 5>think we're done yet. It's gonna be amazing, amazing, amazing

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<v Speaker 5>thing to see next year when we're holding the trophy.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, it's big goals.

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<v Speaker 5>But I'm telling you right now, is holding the trophy,

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<v Speaker 5>I'm saying my prayers out loud. I'm saying my goals

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<v Speaker 5>out loud, so y'all can hear them. You know, we're

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<v Speaker 5>going to be holding a trophy up next year, point

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<v Speaker 5>blank period.

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<v Speaker 1>Hell yeah, they're going to be holding a banner that

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<v Speaker 1>says number one valuation in all of sports. Yeah they are.

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<v Speaker 2>And uh, you know, I looked at their opponents for

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<v Speaker 2>next year and I see six and eleven around the corner.

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<v Speaker 3>But that's me.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, let's go through the let's go through the schedule.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh I don't have the Yeah, okay. The thing one

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<v Speaker 1>of the hardest things of looking forward to trying to

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<v Speaker 1>figure out what they're going to be. First of all,

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<v Speaker 1>when is Dak going to be back? Is he ever

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<v Speaker 1>going to be the same guy again? Is he ever

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<v Speaker 1>gonna be able to run again? Is he gonna be back?

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<v Speaker 1>And he's gonna be fine, hundred percent same guy? Their

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<v Speaker 1>two their last two first round picks got the worst

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<v Speaker 1>Pro Football focused grades for the entire season. Yeah, oh mode.

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<v Speaker 1>They each were first round picks, and they look like Busard.

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<v Speaker 1>It's early for Guiden especially, it's only when you're in.

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<v Speaker 1>But they both had the worst grades of any player

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<v Speaker 1>on the roster. So if you're not fortifying with free

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<v Speaker 1>agency and you're not hitting on your draft picks, and

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<v Speaker 1>you keep giving up fourth round picks for nothing, for nothing,

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<v Speaker 1>how can you have a good roster. I'm in on

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<v Speaker 1>Trey Lance. I enjoyed that game. I enjoyed that game

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<v Speaker 1>very much. I enjoyed it as much as those three

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<v Speaker 1>Super bowls Jerry gave me in the early nineties.

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<v Speaker 3>I think Tray's gonna be good in the UFL.

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<v Speaker 1>I think he's gonna be good there now. I think

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<v Speaker 1>I think he's a good backup quarterback.

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<v Speaker 2>So so, last year, after McCarthy was told, you're you're good, dude,

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<v Speaker 2>you're good. We don't need to get to the conference

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<v Speaker 2>championship game. You're like, you're back for your five year contract. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>he goes to meet the media. Jane Slater asked him,

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<v Speaker 2>why should Cowboys fans be excited that you're back for

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<v Speaker 2>your last year and he does this I'm a winner

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<v Speaker 2>thing that he always does, and then he ends it

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<v Speaker 2>with buying to us.

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<v Speaker 1>I right have it.

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<v Speaker 3>I might have it right here, Actually I do.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know why, I why I.

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<v Speaker 3>Was talking about it.

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<v Speaker 1>I got it right. I think he guaranteed US seven

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<v Speaker 1>and ten.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think he did that. Man, here's McCarthy.

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<v Speaker 2>This is again, like this is five days after the

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<v Speaker 2>season and a week of this just kind of sitting

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<v Speaker 2>around going, I don't know if I'm coming back or not.

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<v Speaker 1>Experience and why fans by back in she was then

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<v Speaker 1>a coaching this team.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, because I believe that the direction, you know, the leadership,

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<v Speaker 4>everything is in place. And I'm not very comfortable talking

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<v Speaker 4>about myself. But I came here to win a championship.

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<v Speaker 4>I didn't come here to get another contract or anything

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<v Speaker 4>other than that. I came to Dallas to win the

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<v Speaker 4>world championship. And that's why I'm standing here and buy

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<v Speaker 4>into us.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so buy into us next time. Mike is telling

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<v Speaker 2>everyone we're gonna win the Super Bowl. So Cowboys fans, look.

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<v Speaker 3>You're guys, you're these guys at the top of your franchise.

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<v Speaker 2>Here McCarthy, Micah are telling you, I'm gonna cut him

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<v Speaker 2>good times are coming.

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<v Speaker 1>No, I'm gonna cut him slack there because he said

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<v Speaker 1>everything is in place. He didn't know they were gonna

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<v Speaker 1>lose dan Quinn. And so now when you look back

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<v Speaker 1>at it, had it played out like you thought and

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<v Speaker 1>they had kept dan Quinn twelve and five, I'm like, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>McCarthy is a He's at least an average head coach.

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<v Speaker 1>He's not much above that if anything, but he's at

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<v Speaker 1>least an average head coach. They play well during the week,

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<v Speaker 1>they have good regular seasons. Whatever he's got, you know whatever,

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<v Speaker 1>Nothing crazy special there, But I don't mind him coming

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<v Speaker 1>back in that regard. What I do wonder about is

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<v Speaker 1>who in the hell is going to suddenly create good

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<v Speaker 1>offensive plays for this team. None of the receivers get separation,

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<v Speaker 1>and they have a lot of trouble running the ball,

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<v Speaker 1>don't you guys think though? Like one of the things

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<v Speaker 1>that we talked about with them getting rid of Kellen

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<v Speaker 1>was that he was coming under a bunch of fire.

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<v Speaker 1>Now I don't think he ended up. He wasn't under

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<v Speaker 1>the fire that I thought he was under. Because I thought, well,

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<v Speaker 1>if they don't get to a conference title game. They're

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<v Speaker 1>bouncing him. Boy was I wrong on that. But there

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<v Speaker 1>was this perception that there was fire, and so he

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<v Speaker 1>got rid of Kellen Moore and he started calling the plays.

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<v Speaker 1>If they're bringing him back and they're doing the same

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<v Speaker 1>song and dance, again, he ain't under fire. So why

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<v Speaker 1>couldn't they bring in an offensive coordinator like Ben's talking about?

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<v Speaker 2>They might be negotiating that this week with Mike. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>that makes sense and Mike, however, to drag it out

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<v Speaker 2>and go okay with the Bears.

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<v Speaker 1>But again I like that. That's a great point skin

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<v Speaker 1>but if they have uh, Typically the way you get

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<v Speaker 1>a great creative offensive mind is you promote them. So

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<v Speaker 1>it's the offensive coordinator who's the wonder boy becomes a

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<v Speaker 1>head coach like Ben Johnson in Detroit. Right, he's going

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<v Speaker 1>to become a head coach, going to get promoted. How

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<v Speaker 1>do you go find the guy that, hey, we think

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<v Speaker 1>but he's the WonderBoy of receiver coaches? Well, you go

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<v Speaker 1>into that tree, because that did happen with the whole

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<v Speaker 1>Shanahan McVeigh and all that thing, all those guys. All

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<v Speaker 1>those guys got gigs.

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<v Speaker 3>Dude, it's kind of crazy.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a I'm gonna get too deep here, but there's

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<v Speaker 2>like a guy who does like these analytics based on

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<v Speaker 2>each week and then he put out his season ending rankings.

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<v Speaker 1>McCarthy's twentieth.

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<v Speaker 2>McCarthy also had to work with Cooper Rush, so we'll

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<v Speaker 2>keep that in it. For instance, Kyle Shanahan's seventeenth, but

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<v Speaker 2>they also had injuries. Injuries as soon as you have excuses.

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<v Speaker 2>Mike McDaniel's always been seen as a wonder boy. He

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<v Speaker 2>was fifteenth, but also no t no tua for half

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<v Speaker 2>the year. Yeah, here's your top seven or eight guys.

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<v Speaker 2>like Joe Brady with Buffalo is number two, who I

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<v Speaker 2>would be highly interested in. The old guy who made

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<v Speaker 2>Burrow and Jamar Chase work at LSU, Ben Johnson number four.

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<v Speaker 2>Like you have all these guys who are gonna go

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<v Speaker 2>get jobs, right, and then you've got McCarthy who's like

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<v Speaker 2>holding on to a job. Do you got guys who

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<v Speaker 2>are destined to get these jobs. Yes, that's who I want,

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<v Speaker 2>not guys holding on for their dear life to jobs.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay doing, but you know what's what and this kind

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<v Speaker 1>of speaks to what we always talk about with the

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<v Speaker 1>dysfunction and why it's hard to have any hope whatsoever.

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<v Speaker 1>So the number four guy was the guy that you

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<v Speaker 1>got rid of because McCarthy needed to call the plays

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<v Speaker 1>and like when he and by the way, when he

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<v Speaker 1>was here, our offense, our offense was very highly rated.

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<v Speaker 1>And then he went to the Chargers and their offense

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<v Speaker 1>despite all their problems and their head coach and that

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<v Speaker 1>where is he Philly this year? And they're very highly rated.

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<v Speaker 1>So the guy that we had that was the offensive

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<v Speaker 1>innervator got ran off because of whatever that level of

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<v Speaker 1>all that they gave Mike the keys to the car.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah right, that's dysfunction.

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<v Speaker 1>So, but the.

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<v Speaker 2>MAVs won last night, one day losing, streaking over shocked.

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<v Speaker 3>That was awesome.

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<v Speaker 1>So shocked by that win. And you know it's on

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<v Speaker 1>a night where you shoot forty seven percent from three

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<v Speaker 1>point range. It just felt like everything was going down,

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<v Speaker 1>You're going to be hard to beat. Give the MAVs credit,

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<v Speaker 1>they kept fight and they closed up quarters. Different guys

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<v Speaker 1>picked up slack at different times. Hardy had his moments,

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<v Speaker 1>Klay Thompson had his moments, but man, I just think

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<v Speaker 1>Dinwoody's so important during this time where you don't have

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<v Speaker 1>Luca and Kai. I'm shocked that they won. They were

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<v Speaker 1>seven and a half point underdogs at home to the Lakers,

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<v Speaker 1>and man, very meaningful win. They had to have it.

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<v Speaker 1>I think the way that the thirty six hours unfolded,

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<v Speaker 1>with how they approached Memphis and then how they approached

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<v Speaker 1>the Laker game was one huge for Hardy. That Memphis

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<v Speaker 1>game spiraled out of control in the second quarter when

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<v Speaker 1>they simply could not get a single basket and it

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<v Speaker 1>was a very wild offense. And then there was the

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<v Speaker 1>Gafford injury. So I'm sure they were all, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>slumped over and hanging their shoulders, but their approached offense

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<v Speaker 1>was wild. And the good thing that came out of

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<v Speaker 1>the Memphis game was that Hardy got a really good rhythm.

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<v Speaker 1>They really need him to be an offensive presence because

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<v Speaker 1>as you look up and down even like just just

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<v Speaker 1>in a vacuum and you go, all right, who's the

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<v Speaker 1>guy that has your best chance of going and getting

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<v Speaker 1>you six points in two minutes behind Luca and Kyrie?

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's Hardy. But Hardy's had a horrible year.

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<v Speaker 1>He had an incredible preseason. He was their best player

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<v Speaker 1>in preseason. He signed a contract and then immediately fell off.

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<v Speaker 1>Cliff and kids stopped playing him. Then he got hurt,

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<v Speaker 1>he missed whatever. It was a month time, a really

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<v Speaker 1>long time. We've seen Hardy go on incredible offensive binges,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean incredible, and he had that stretch in the

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<v Speaker 1>Memphis game where he really got it going and Ben

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<v Speaker 1>mentioned a second ago his third quarter last night was

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<v Speaker 1>awesome and it came at a huge time, and is

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<v Speaker 1>we're gonna have this stretch where we know we don't

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<v Speaker 1>have Luca. I would suspect we don't have Kyrie for

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<v Speaker 1>another week minimum minimum. You need Hardy. And the other

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<v Speaker 1>thing you need Spencer Dinwiddie to do is you need

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<v Speaker 1>him to involve other people as he goes in stretches

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<v Speaker 1>where he doesn't. And that's why he's always been combo

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<v Speaker 1>guard guy. You know, you don't run your team with him,

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<v Speaker 1>he's combo guard guy. And so if Dinwiddy can approach

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<v Speaker 1>this stretch like he did last night when he I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know if it had anything to do with him

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<v Speaker 1>not getting to start in Memphis or not, but I

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<v Speaker 1>love the way he played last night, and Hardy catching

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<v Speaker 1>rhythm is big. It may die in their game against

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<v Speaker 1>Portland Man. He's been so up and down, but they

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<v Speaker 1>need twelve to fifteen points a night from Hardy minimum

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<v Speaker 1>to get both stretch. I hope he takes advantage of

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<v Speaker 1>the opportunity. Yeah, if Dinwiddy can't do it, no one can.

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<v Speaker 1>That's why I think if you don't have Lucan, you

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<v Speaker 1>don't have Kai, I think you'll lose. I think most

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<v Speaker 1>likely you will lose. Unless you just shoot lights out

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<v Speaker 1>and have a freakish night where you hit a ton

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<v Speaker 1>of threes, I would expect you to lose. So the

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<v Speaker 1>big question for them is going to be how soon

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<v Speaker 1>can Kyrie come back? Is a bulging disc going to

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<v Speaker 1>bother him long term? Is that gonna be a thing

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<v Speaker 1>that's gonna bother him for the rest of the year.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I think we're gonna have an answer,

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<v Speaker 1>they said they were saying that they were going to

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<v Speaker 1>have an answer on the initial treatment in forty eight hours,

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<v Speaker 1>and that was like twenty four hours ago. If He's

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<v Speaker 1>going to be out for a long time and Luca's

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<v Speaker 1>out for a long time, man, they're in huge trouble

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<v Speaker 1>because the West is so stacked and they'll be fighting

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<v Speaker 1>to scrap to get in. But look, if you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it really comes down to win, is Luca back as well?

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<v Speaker 1>If both those If Kai can come back to help

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<v Speaker 1>stem the tide while Luca's out, number one, that's the

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<v Speaker 1>most important thing. But then when Luca comes back, if

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<v Speaker 1>they're still alive and like in the mix, even to

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<v Speaker 1>be in the play in, well, then you're gonna have

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<v Speaker 1>a healthy, fresh Luca for a nice little run there.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think that might not be all bad, right,

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<v Speaker 1>like him having a huge rest might not be the

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<v Speaker 1>end of the world. No, I think it'd be great.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's just a matter of what is their

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<v Speaker 1>record in two and a half weeks, three weeks? Can

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<v Speaker 1>they stem the tide? If they can stem the tide,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, they don't anything, No one cares what I think.

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<v Speaker 1>But I'd be all for don't bring Luca back. Till

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<v Speaker 1>after the All Star breaks. Yeah, I mean I think

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<v Speaker 1>that would be massive because I think he's at minimum

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<v Speaker 1>gonna need a week and a half of just condition

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<v Speaker 1>I can remember in twenty eleven when they brought in

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<v Speaker 1>Pasia and Carlisle was like, I'm not putting that guy

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<v Speaker 1>on the floor boot camp and they put him through

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<v Speaker 1>two weeks of conditioning before he saw the floor. I think,

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<v Speaker 1>like having Luca miss an entire month of basketball mid season,

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<v Speaker 1>He's going to need a week to ten days minimum

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<v Speaker 1>of conditioning. And what you don't want to do is

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<v Speaker 1>bring him back and start throwing him in games. So

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<v Speaker 1>they're going to evaluate him. I believe they said January

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<v Speaker 1>twenty seventh was when they were going to evaluate him. Man,

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<v Speaker 1>I would love it if they were in a good

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<v Speaker 1>enough position to where they could just float a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit longer and then, to Ben's point, bring him back

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<v Speaker 1>and he's been fresh after a month and a half.

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