Speaker 1: Welcome to the Parenting Roundabout podcast. I'm Terry Morrow and
Speaker 1: I'm Catherine Jileco. As parents and parenting writers, we can't
Speaker 1: help but see everything through a parenting lens. But as
Speaker 1: our kids have become adults, we find ourselves more interested
Speaker 1: in getting caught up on movies and streaming than I'm
Speaker 1: going over the same parenting topics over and over.
Speaker 2: So since we're pretty sure we can find parenting wisdom anywhere,
Speaker 2: we're going to talk about what we're watching, what we
Speaker 2: thought about it, and maybe what we can learn from it,
Speaker 2: if only what not to do. Watch and listen along,
Speaker 2: and let's all make like we're doing something important for
Speaker 2: our families.
Speaker 1: Each Wednesday we bring you a watch or rewatch of
Speaker 1: an older entertainment property, And for this week of August twelfth,
Speaker 1: we're continuing with Lost. We watched season one, episode six,
Speaker 1: House of the Rising Sun, and now everybody who is
Speaker 1: of my generation is going, it is all sin New Orleans.
Speaker 1: This is not about a house in New Orleans at all.
Speaker 1: I sang that song so many times, What a ridiculous
Speaker 1: thing for young people to say, But that was like,
Speaker 1: that was a big one because I think it had
Speaker 1: just a few chords, so if you were just kind
Speaker 1: of casually learning the guitar, you could play it. And man,
Speaker 1: did we sing the heck out of that. Anyway, this
Speaker 1: is in fact about Son and Gin and how they
Speaker 1: came to be the extremely dysfunctional looking couple they are now,
Speaker 1: and it turns out that they were once very cute
Speaker 1: and flirty and smiley, and Jin was the kind of
Speaker 1: guy who would give his girl a flower and say,
Speaker 1: one day, baby, this will be a diamond ring. He
Speaker 1: was very sweet and then dun dunk dum. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: went to work for her father. Nothing ever, good comes
Speaker 1: of that. I mean, there are many fathers who have
Speaker 1: perfectly nice businesses. But in a movie, if a guy says,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna work for your father, baby, so that we
Speaker 1: can get married and everything will be great, not going
Speaker 1: to be great. So, of course, during the during the
Speaker 1: course of working for her father, who we never meet
Speaker 1: or really learn anything about, except you get the feeling
Speaker 1: that he's not running a dry cleaner.
Speaker 2: Is.
Speaker 1: Jin becomes more and more hardened and unhappy and covered
Speaker 1: with blood when he comes home from work, and Son
Speaker 1: becomes more and more unhappy, to the point where she's
Speaker 1: ready to flee, and in the course of getting ready
Speaker 1: to flee, she learns English. How about that she knew
Speaker 1: what everybody was saying. I'll so she's at the air
Speaker 1: there at the airport, Gin, as we've seen before, is
Speaker 1: checking in while Jack is arguing about getting his father's
Speaker 1: coffin on the plane, and she just can't do it
Speaker 1: right or I guess she still loves him, and he
Speaker 1: conveniently has a flea as he stands there in the
Speaker 1: line for reasons I.
Speaker 2: Don't well, And also, like you know, the deal was,
Speaker 2: the plan was that she was supposed to walk away
Speaker 2: from him at the airport and there would be a
Speaker 2: car waiting. Well, yeah, I mean the car is waiting
Speaker 2: like directly outside where they are, Like he would see
Speaker 2: the whole thing go down if she tried to leave.
Speaker 1: One would think so, yes, although he was focusing pretty
Speaker 1: hard on the whatever you know one does when one
Speaker 1: stands in line.
Speaker 2: Right, But I feel like he would have noticed, like
Speaker 2: her walking out the door and been like, hey, get
Speaker 2: back here, what are you doing.
Speaker 1: Well, but I guess then if the car drives away,
Speaker 1: she was saying, they would think she was kidnapped, So
Speaker 1: I guess it didn't matter. If he saw her driving away,
Speaker 1: he would assume that, since she was the daughter of
Speaker 1: a powerful bad guy, somebody had absconded. But whatever, she didn't.
Speaker 1: Maybe she thinks I'll do it next time we go on.
Speaker 2: Of course, oh dear.
Speaker 1: Now she's stuck with him on this island and he
Speaker 1: is trying to murder Michael for reasons nobody understands because
Speaker 1: they can't talk to him, and they don't think they
Speaker 1: can talk to Son, and oh dear, so Jin winds
Speaker 1: up handcuffed to a piece of wreckish wreckage while they're
Speaker 1: trying to figure things out right, And in the end
Speaker 1: it turns out that Michael had found a watch on
Speaker 1: the beach and put it on, as one would, and
Speaker 1: it turns it was in fact Son's father's watch, and
Speaker 1: Jin was all honor bound to, you know, slay people
Speaker 1: on the father's behalf. Yeah, you would think that being
Speaker 1: out on this island you could maybe considered a vacation
Speaker 1: for more. Maybe you could just sort of not do
Speaker 1: that for a while, but you.
Speaker 2: Know, or somehow try to communicate, hey, that's mine, can
Speaker 2: I have it back? You know, maybe dispoint to the watch.
Speaker 1: And then you're that if you talk loud enough language,
Speaker 1: people can understand you. Yeah. So, so certainly Jin needs
Speaker 1: to develop some better communication skills, but we are given
Speaker 1: to hope that perhaps he will soften up a bit,
Speaker 1: back to his original self, because this is going to
Speaker 1: be a long show, and if he's just yelling at
Speaker 1: people and trying to kill them the whole time, you know,
Speaker 1: come on, man, there's some character growth. We need character growth.
Speaker 1: When he finds out his wife speaks English, that's going
Speaker 1: to be an awkward conversation. Yeah, because he won't be
Speaker 1: able to understand it, but also because exactly why and
Speaker 1: how did you secretly learn how to use well speak English? Deer?
Speaker 1: She needs to go to one of the gals there
Speaker 1: and say, act like you're teaching me English. Yes, you
Speaker 1: don't have to know it, but just happen like.
Speaker 2: Someone we're just gonna pretty dead.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that's somebody that Claire would help her out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Claire seems to be very friendly.
Speaker 1: She does. I wouldn't go to Shannon who was not
Speaker 1: in I guess Shannon and Boone weren't in this episode
Speaker 1: at all, or were just sort of wandering by at
Speaker 1: one point or something. Yeah, but and then the other
Speaker 1: big development is that Jack takes a group back to
Speaker 1: where the water where he found the water and thinks, hey,
Speaker 1: you know what, why don't we live in these caves
Speaker 1: where these dead bodies are. I think that'd be a
Speaker 1: great idea. There's bees, there might be honey, and there's water,
Speaker 1: and you know there's a rotting flesh, but it's it's old.
Speaker 1: You know it's been it's been rotting, it's been there
Speaker 1: for Just shove it over to the corner. There won't
Speaker 1: be any problem.
Speaker 2: Like love to just be disturbed. It's always a good
Speaker 2: sign in your in your absolutely in your entertainment property.
Speaker 2: When there's dead bodies, they.
Speaker 1: Right, what could possibly be wrong? And some people are like,
Speaker 1: cool water shade, I'm there, And some people are like,
Speaker 1: we are gonna sit in front of a fire on
Speaker 1: this beach until they find our dead bodies. So split
Speaker 1: split between.
Speaker 2: The Yeah, we're gonna live together die alone, right, or
Speaker 2: we're gonna live together in two separate groups.
Speaker 1: Perhaps you're going to divide into factions. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I have actually no memory of them living in the caves.
Speaker 2: So I guess it doesn't being discussed.
Speaker 1: I thought, are they gonna not. But see, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't necessarily remember them living us. I don't remember
Speaker 1: what happens all the little details of this thing. I
Speaker 1: remember that son spoke English from the beginning, But so
Speaker 1: from time to time I thought she could have just
Speaker 1: shown a facial expression that said she understood everything. She
Speaker 1: was looking very confused all the time. Right, Okay, she's
Speaker 1: got to keep her cover.
Speaker 2: But hey, and we have Locke becoming Charlie's like shaman. Yes,
Speaker 2: he's gonna help him quit heroin just by telling him,
Speaker 2: here's your guitar.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Did he see that guitar up there and orchestrate
Speaker 1: this whole thing or did it just manifest?
Speaker 2: M Well, I mean you never know on this island, right.
Speaker 1: You never know on this island. That is correct. And
Speaker 1: it's sort of adorable that Locke knew about Charlie's pathetic
Speaker 1: little band. So that's uh good for him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well it's a good way to get Charlie yeah
Speaker 2: to him.
Speaker 1: Right, And they have a boombox apparently that has batteries.
Speaker 2: Well, Hurley has his little disc man too, He has
Speaker 2: like a disc man. I'm like, yeah, how long? How
Speaker 2: much longer is that gonna last.
Speaker 1: Right, they could at least have been playing House of
Speaker 1: the Rising Sun. Some of us would like to hear
Speaker 1: that again. Oh but uh, the flashbacks this week seemed
Speaker 1: somewhat more pedestrian than the past ones, I think. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's a very familiar scenario. The reveal that Sun speaks
Speaker 1: English is I guess the big.
Speaker 2: Right whah, the big moments.
Speaker 1: However, after you have you know, Lock being able to walk. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you gotta you gotta up the walls after that, and
Speaker 1: that has that's not quite there. Yeah, but uh, you know,
Speaker 1: we have to service all the all the main cast here,
Speaker 1: so they're not all going to be exciting, right. Yeah.
Speaker 2: And for parenting, we had you know, Michael making an
Speaker 2: attempt to get to know his own child, and yes,
Speaker 2: well kind of reciprocating by the end there, right.
Speaker 1: He says, what did your mother tell you about me?
Speaker 1: And he goes, she don't tell me anything. Ouch.
Speaker 2: But I mean maybe whatever she had to say wouldn't
Speaker 2: have Maybe that was the kinder thing to not say it.
Speaker 1: That's true, I guess so. But she didn't even know
Speaker 1: his birthday was. So that is a very weird parenting
Speaker 1: situation though, I mean, It's kind of a little bit
Speaker 1: like the sudden parenthood and found family of a gentleman
Speaker 1: in Moscow, except that you were in this very, very
Speaker 1: strange place. So not only do you have to start
Speaker 1: parenting your kid, you have to be protecting them from
Speaker 1: all this weirdness, right, worrying about how they're going to survive.
Speaker 1: You know, now you're gonna how are you gonna be
Speaker 1: able to defend them from whatever comes. It's just like
Speaker 1: you're plunged immediately into the worst part of parenting. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the hardest part of parenting, right from zero to one twenty. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so my sympathies. Man, it'd been nice to have like
Speaker 1: a few months and you know, to get to know
Speaker 1: each other first. Yeah, before you're on Mystery Island.
Speaker 2: Right, Basically you had, you know, the part of the
Speaker 2: plane ride that wasn't that wasn't scary and.
Speaker 1: A terrifying crash, and now there's all these weird people
Speaker 1: and you don't know what to do, and that is
Speaker 1: not a happy way to start your uh, your life
Speaker 1: together with your grieving child. Was vincent in this episode role.
Speaker 2: I think they showed him at the very beginning just
Speaker 2: running around on the beach.
Speaker 1: All right, he's off somewhere. We're sleeping, you know, in
Speaker 1: some shade. Yeah, do we think he would prefer the
Speaker 1: caves a lot of water splash and he's better than
Speaker 1: the beach. I mean, I guess you could go splash
Speaker 1: around in the ocean, but as we have learned, that
Speaker 1: can be fatal, you know, and some like dead dead
Speaker 1: bodies to sniff out. So that's uh of interest. More
Speaker 1: wreckage to go through and sort more.
Speaker 2: Okay, maybe there's some suitcases in here we can check out.
Speaker 1: And Jack tells Charlie to check for medication. I'm like, oh, yes,
Speaker 1: the wrong guys. You will for certain look for drugs,
Speaker 1: but possibly not your antibiotics and pain killers.
Speaker 2: Well the pain killers.
Speaker 1: You're at about it? Ah, but uh, you know, Jack
Speaker 1: is definitely he's more in he's more in dad mode
Speaker 1: than mom mode this week. Yeah, it's like I've made
Speaker 1: a plan and this is what we're gonna do. What
Speaker 1: we're doing, everybody come, yeah, And then some of the
Speaker 1: kids are like, we don't want to.
Speaker 2: Go, and he's like, ms, stay fine, stay here, see
Speaker 2: if I can.
Speaker 1: You know, you know, you do your best to find
Speaker 1: a nice place for the family and the annoying teenagers
Speaker 1: just want to hang with their friends at the beach.
Speaker 1: Oh well fine, you know when you get thirsty, you'll
Speaker 1: want to come by us.
Speaker 2: You're gonna come crying to me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yep, it's rough. And uh, I guess we have
Speaker 1: once again evil dad in the flashbacks. So this is
Speaker 1: two evil dads so far. Yeah, this one wasn't even
Speaker 1: really seen, never saw it. But yeah, evil by reputation, right.
Speaker 2: This happened. This also happens.
Speaker 1: It's not a spoiler. Mm hmmm. I hope it's not.
Speaker 1: There'll be more evil dads. So well, you did say
Speaker 1: last week it's a very long series, so you know
Speaker 1: you said to expect. This guy is arguably eviler than
Speaker 1: Jack's dad. Jack's dad was just evil on a in
Speaker 1: a limited scope.
Speaker 2: Well, Jack's dad was evil to.
Speaker 1: Yes, although he doesn't sound like he was such a
Speaker 1: great guy to anybody else either, But okay, yeah, but
Speaker 1: he was saving, not murdering people. Oh my daddy issues everywhere?
Speaker 1: Just can't turn over a rock or enter a cave
Speaker 1: with it?
Speaker 2: Yeah, were we going to find out that Adam and
Speaker 2: Eve had daddy problems?
Speaker 1: I don't specifically remember, but I looking at it at
Speaker 1: a write up of this episode where they cross referenced
Speaker 1: all the different It's everything in the show is crossed.
Speaker 1: Pay attention to any numbers that are ever said anywhere
Speaker 1: at any time, but we do in the future, at
Speaker 1: some point when ABC's going another season, we do get
Speaker 1: their story. So to hang on, if we make it
Speaker 1: that long, you'll find out. Hey, how about you go
Speaker 1: back to all the dead bodies we've seen and tell
Speaker 1: their flashbacks. It'll be right. You can get eleven episodes
Speaker 1: out of that.
Speaker 2: Huh right? Can we get more from the US Marshall
Speaker 2: who let's have.
Speaker 1: The story about guitar case, how it fell out of
Speaker 1: the plane, smoke Monster lifted it up, blow it up
Speaker 1: into a tree. It is so exciting. It's still in tune.
Speaker 1: Ah yeah, but moving along. Next Wednesday, we will continue
Speaker 1: with season one, episode seven of Lost, which is called
Speaker 1: The Moth. Do we know what the Moth? Who the
Speaker 1: flashbacks are?
Speaker 2: I think Charlie?
Speaker 1: Yeah, we seem seems like we need some Charlie flashbacks.
Speaker 1: They keep talking about his past. Yeah, okay, that's my kiss,
Speaker 1: and so we will look forward to seeing more on
Speaker 1: that fella, and we'll see you back here. Tomorrow for
Speaker 1: our weekly Roundabout roundup. We both love our dads, so
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