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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to the Parenting Roundabout podcast. I'm Terry Morrow and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Catherine Jileco. As parents and parenting writers, we can't

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<v Speaker 1>help but see everything through a parenting lens. But as

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<v Speaker 1>our kids have become adults, we find ourselves more interested

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<v Speaker 1>in getting caught up on movies and streaming than I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going over the same parenting topics over and over.

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<v Speaker 2>So since we're pretty sure we can find parenting wisdom anywhere,

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<v Speaker 2>we're going to talk about what we're watching, what we

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<v Speaker 2>thought about it, and maybe what we can learn from it,

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<v Speaker 2>if only what not to do. Watch and listen along,

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<v Speaker 2>and let's all make like we're doing something important for

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<v Speaker 2>our families.

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<v Speaker 1>Each Wednesday we bring you a watch or rewatch of

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<v Speaker 1>an older entertainment property, And for this week of August twelfth,

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<v Speaker 1>we're continuing with Lost. We watched season one, episode six,

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<v Speaker 1>House of the Rising Sun, and now everybody who is

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<v Speaker 1>of my generation is going, it is all sin New Orleans.

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<v Speaker 1>This is not about a house in New Orleans at all.

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<v Speaker 1>I sang that song so many times, What a ridiculous

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<v Speaker 1>thing for young people to say, But that was like,

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<v Speaker 1>that was a big one because I think it had

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<v Speaker 1>just a few chords, so if you were just kind

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<v Speaker 1>of casually learning the guitar, you could play it. And man,

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<v Speaker 1>did we sing the heck out of that. Anyway, this

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<v Speaker 1>is in fact about Son and Gin and how they

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<v Speaker 1>came to be the extremely dysfunctional looking couple they are now,

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<v Speaker 1>and it turns out that they were once very cute

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<v Speaker 1>and flirty and smiley, and Jin was the kind of

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<v Speaker 1>guy who would give his girl a flower and say,

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<v Speaker 1>one day, baby, this will be a diamond ring. He

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<v Speaker 1>was very sweet and then dun dunk dum. Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>went to work for her father. Nothing ever, good comes

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<v Speaker 1>of that. I mean, there are many fathers who have

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<v Speaker 1>perfectly nice businesses. But in a movie, if a guy says,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna work for your father, baby, so that we

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<v Speaker 1>can get married and everything will be great, not going

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<v Speaker 1>to be great. So, of course, during the during the

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<v Speaker 1>course of working for her father, who we never meet

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<v Speaker 1>or really learn anything about, except you get the feeling

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<v Speaker 1>that he's not running a dry cleaner.

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<v Speaker 2>Is.

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<v Speaker 1>Jin becomes more and more hardened and unhappy and covered

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<v Speaker 1>with blood when he comes home from work, and Son

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<v Speaker 1>becomes more and more unhappy, to the point where she's

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<v Speaker 1>ready to flee, and in the course of getting ready

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<v Speaker 1>to flee, she learns English. How about that she knew

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<v Speaker 1>what everybody was saying. I'll so she's at the air

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<v Speaker 1>there at the airport, Gin, as we've seen before, is

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<v Speaker 1>checking in while Jack is arguing about getting his father's

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<v Speaker 1>coffin on the plane, and she just can't do it

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<v Speaker 1>right or I guess she still loves him, and he

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<v Speaker 1>conveniently has a flea as he stands there in the

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<v Speaker 1>line for reasons I.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't well, And also, like you know, the deal was,

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<v Speaker 2>the plan was that she was supposed to walk away

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<v Speaker 2>from him at the airport and there would be a

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<v Speaker 2>car waiting. Well, yeah, I mean the car is waiting

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<v Speaker 2>like directly outside where they are, Like he would see

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<v Speaker 2>the whole thing go down if she tried to leave.

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<v Speaker 1>One would think so, yes, although he was focusing pretty

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<v Speaker 1>hard on the whatever you know one does when one

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<v Speaker 1>stands in line.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, But I feel like he would have noticed, like

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<v Speaker 2>her walking out the door and been like, hey, get

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<v Speaker 2>back here, what are you doing.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, but I guess then if the car drives away,

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<v Speaker 1>she was saying, they would think she was kidnapped, So

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<v Speaker 1>I guess it didn't matter. If he saw her driving away,

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<v Speaker 1>he would assume that, since she was the daughter of

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<v Speaker 1>a powerful bad guy, somebody had absconded. But whatever, she didn't.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe she thinks I'll do it next time we go on.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course, oh dear.

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<v Speaker 1>Now she's stuck with him on this island and he

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<v Speaker 1>is trying to murder Michael for reasons nobody understands because

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<v Speaker 1>can talk to Son, and oh dear, so Jin winds

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<v Speaker 1>up handcuffed to a piece of wreckish wreckage while they're

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<v Speaker 1>trying to figure things out right, And in the end

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<v Speaker 1>it turns out that Michael had found a watch on

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<v Speaker 1>it turns it was in fact Son's father's watch, and

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<v Speaker 1>Jin was all honor bound to, you know, slay people

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<v Speaker 1>on the father's behalf. Yeah, you would think that being

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<v Speaker 1>out on this island you could maybe considered a vacation

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<v Speaker 1>for more. Maybe you could just sort of not do

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<v Speaker 2>Know, or somehow try to communicate, hey, that's mine, can

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<v Speaker 2>I have it back? You know, maybe dispoint to the watch.

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<v Speaker 1>And then you're that if you talk loud enough language,

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<v Speaker 1>people can understand you. Yeah. So, so certainly Jin needs

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<v Speaker 1>to develop some better communication skills, but we are given

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<v Speaker 1>to hope that perhaps he will soften up a bit,

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<v Speaker 1>back to his original self, because this is going to

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<v Speaker 1>be a long show, and if he's just yelling at

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<v Speaker 1>people and trying to kill them the whole time, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>come on, man, there's some character growth. We need character growth.

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<v Speaker 1>When he finds out his wife speaks English, that's going

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<v Speaker 1>to be an awkward conversation. Yeah, because he won't be

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<v Speaker 1>able to understand it, but also because exactly why and

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<v Speaker 1>how did you secretly learn how to use well speak English? Deer?

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<v Speaker 1>She needs to go to one of the gals there

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<v Speaker 1>and say, act like you're teaching me English. Yes, you

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<v Speaker 1>don't have to know it, but just happen like.

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<v Speaker 2>Someone we're just gonna pretty dead.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean that's somebody that Claire would help her out.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Claire seems to be very friendly.

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<v Speaker 1>She does. I wouldn't go to Shannon who was not

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<v Speaker 1>in I guess Shannon and Boone weren't in this episode

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<v Speaker 1>at all, or were just sort of wandering by at

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<v Speaker 1>one point or something. Yeah, but and then the other

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<v Speaker 1>big development is that Jack takes a group back to

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<v Speaker 1>where the water where he found the water and thinks, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what, why don't we live in these caves

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<v Speaker 1>where these dead bodies are. I think that'd be a

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<v Speaker 1>great idea. There's bees, there might be honey, and there's water,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know there's a rotting flesh, but it's it's old.

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<v Speaker 1>You know it's been it's been rotting, it's been there

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<v Speaker 1>for Just shove it over to the corner. There won't

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<v Speaker 2>Like love to just be disturbed. It's always a good

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<v Speaker 2>sign in your in your absolutely in your entertainment property.

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<v Speaker 2>When there's dead bodies, they.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, what could possibly be wrong? And some people are like,

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<v Speaker 1>cool water shade, I'm there, And some people are like,

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<v Speaker 1>we are gonna sit in front of a fire on

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<v Speaker 1>this beach until they find our dead bodies. So split

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<v Speaker 1>split between.

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<v Speaker 2>The Yeah, we're gonna live together die alone, right, or

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<v Speaker 1>Perhaps you're going to divide into factions. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>I have actually no memory of them living in the caves.

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<v Speaker 2>So I guess it doesn't being discussed.

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<v Speaker 1>I thought, are they gonna not. But see, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't necessarily remember them living us. I don't remember

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<v Speaker 1>what happens all the little details of this thing. I

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<v Speaker 1>remember that son spoke English from the beginning, But so

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<v Speaker 1>from time to time I thought she could have just

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<v Speaker 1>shown a facial expression that said she understood everything. She

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<v Speaker 1>was looking very confused all the time. Right, Okay, she's

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<v Speaker 1>got to keep her cover.

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<v Speaker 2>But hey, and we have Locke becoming Charlie's like shaman. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>he's gonna help him quit heroin just by telling him,

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<v Speaker 2>here's your guitar.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Did he see that guitar up there and orchestrate

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<v Speaker 1>this whole thing or did it just manifest?

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<v Speaker 2>M Well, I mean you never know on this island, right.

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<v Speaker 1>You never know on this island. That is correct. And

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<v Speaker 1>it's sort of adorable that Locke knew about Charlie's pathetic

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<v Speaker 1>little band. So that's uh good for him.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well it's a good way to get Charlie yeah

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<v Speaker 2>to him.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, And they have a boombox apparently that has batteries.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, Hurley has his little disc man too, He has

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<v Speaker 2>like a disc man. I'm like, yeah, how long? How

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<v Speaker 2>much longer is that gonna last.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, they could at least have been playing House of

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<v Speaker 1>the Rising Sun. Some of us would like to hear

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<v Speaker 1>that again. Oh but uh, the flashbacks this week seemed

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<v Speaker 1>somewhat more pedestrian than the past ones, I think. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a very familiar scenario. The reveal that Sun speaks

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<v Speaker 1>English is I guess the big.

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<v Speaker 2>Right whah, the big moments.

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<v Speaker 1>However, after you have you know, Lock being able to walk. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you gotta you gotta up the walls after that, and

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<v Speaker 1>that has that's not quite there. Yeah, but uh, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>we have to service all the all the main cast here,

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<v Speaker 1>so they're not all going to be exciting, right. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>And for parenting, we had you know, Michael making an

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<v Speaker 2>attempt to get to know his own child, and yes,

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<v Speaker 2>well kind of reciprocating by the end there, right.

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<v Speaker 1>He says, what did your mother tell you about me?

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<v Speaker 1>And he goes, she don't tell me anything. Ouch.

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<v Speaker 2>But I mean maybe whatever she had to say wouldn't

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<v Speaker 2>have Maybe that was the kinder thing to not say it.

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<v Speaker 1>That's true, I guess so. But she didn't even know

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<v Speaker 1>his birthday was. So that is a very weird parenting

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<v Speaker 1>situation though, I mean, It's kind of a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>like the sudden parenthood and found family of a gentleman

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<v Speaker 1>in Moscow, except that you were in this very, very

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<v Speaker 1>strange place. So not only do you have to start

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<v Speaker 1>parenting your kid, you have to be protecting them from

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<v Speaker 1>all this weirdness, right, worrying about how they're going to survive.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, now you're gonna how are you gonna be

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<v Speaker 1>able to defend them from whatever comes. It's just like

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<v Speaker 1>you're plunged immediately into the worst part of parenting. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>the hardest part of parenting, right from zero to one twenty. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so my sympathies. Man, it'd been nice to have like

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<v Speaker 1>a few months and you know, to get to know

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<v Speaker 1>each other first. Yeah, before you're on Mystery Island.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, Basically you had, you know, the part of the

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<v Speaker 2>plane ride that wasn't that wasn't scary and.

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<v Speaker 1>A terrifying crash, and now there's all these weird people

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<v Speaker 1>and you don't know what to do, and that is

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<v Speaker 1>not a happy way to start your uh, your life

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<v Speaker 1>together with your grieving child. Was vincent in this episode role.

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<v Speaker 2>I think they showed him at the very beginning just

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<v Speaker 2>running around on the beach.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, he's off somewhere. We're sleeping, you know, in

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<v Speaker 1>some shade. Yeah, do we think he would prefer the

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<v Speaker 1>caves a lot of water splash and he's better than

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<v Speaker 1>the beach. I mean, I guess you could go splash

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<v Speaker 1>around in the ocean, but as we have learned, that

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<v Speaker 1>can be fatal, you know, and some like dead dead

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<v Speaker 1>bodies to sniff out. So that's uh of interest. More

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<v Speaker 1>wreckage to go through and sort more.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, maybe there's some suitcases in here we can check out.

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<v Speaker 1>And Jack tells Charlie to check for medication. I'm like, oh, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>the wrong guys. You will for certain look for drugs,

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<v Speaker 1>but possibly not your antibiotics and pain killers.

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<v Speaker 2>Well the pain killers.

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<v Speaker 1>You're at about it? Ah, but uh, you know, Jack

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<v Speaker 2>Go, and he's like, ms, stay fine, stay here, see

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<v Speaker 1>You know, you know, you do your best to find

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<v Speaker 1>Oh well fine, you know when you get thirsty, you'll

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<v Speaker 2>You're gonna come crying to me.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yep, it's rough. And uh, I guess we have

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<v Speaker 1>once again evil dad in the flashbacks. So this is

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<v Speaker 2>This happened. This also happens.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not a spoiler. Mm hmmm. I hope it's not.

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<v Speaker 1>There'll be more evil dads. So well, you did say

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<v Speaker 1>you said to expect. This guy is arguably eviler than

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<v Speaker 1>Jack's dad. Jack's dad was just evil on a in

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<v Speaker 1>a limited scope.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, Jack's dad was evil to.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, although he doesn't sound like he was such a

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<v Speaker 1>great guy to anybody else either, But okay, yeah, but

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<v Speaker 1>he was saving, not murdering people. Oh my daddy issues everywhere?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, were we going to find out that Adam and

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<v Speaker 2>Eve had daddy problems?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't specifically remember, but I looking at it at

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<v Speaker 1>a write up of this episode where they cross referenced

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<v Speaker 1>all the different It's everything in the show is crossed.

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<v Speaker 1>Pay attention to any numbers that are ever said anywhere

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<v Speaker 1>at any time, but we do in the future, at

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<v Speaker 1>some point when ABC's going another season, we do get

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<v Speaker 1>their story. So to hang on, if we make it

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<v Speaker 1>that long, you'll find out. Hey, how about you go

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<v Speaker 1>back to all the dead bodies we've seen and tell

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<v Speaker 1>their flashbacks. It'll be right. You can get eleven episodes

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<v Speaker 2>Huh right? Can we get more from the US Marshall

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<v Speaker 2>who let's have.

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<v Speaker 1>The story about guitar case, how it fell out of

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<v Speaker 1>the plane, smoke Monster lifted it up, blow it up

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<v Speaker 1>Ah yeah, but moving along. Next Wednesday, we will continue

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<v Speaker 1>with season one, episode seven of Lost, which is called

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<v Speaker 1>The Moth. Do we know what the Moth? Who the

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<v Speaker 2>I think Charlie?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we seem seems like we need some Charlie flashbacks.

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<v Speaker 1>They keep talking about his past. Yeah, okay, that's my kiss,

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<v Speaker 1>and so we will look forward to seeing more on

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<v Speaker 1>that fella, and we'll see you back here. Tomorrow for

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<v Speaker 1>our weekly Roundabout roundup. We both love our dads, so

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