1 00:00:16,719 --> 00:00:20,640 Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to another episode of the Federalist Radio Hour. 2 00:00:20,760 --> 00:00:24,399 As always, you can email the show at radio at 3 00:00:24,440 --> 00:00:28,000 the Federalist dot com. I'm your guest host, DC columnist 4 00:00:28,039 --> 00:00:30,519 for The Federalist Eddie Scary, and joining me today as 5 00:00:30,559 --> 00:00:33,280 always for this episode of the Book Club podcast is 6 00:00:33,439 --> 00:00:38,079 Tristan Justice, Western correspondent for The Federalist. Last month, we 7 00:00:38,119 --> 00:00:41,679 read and reviewed Nancy Pelosi's memoir The Art of Power, 8 00:00:41,719 --> 00:00:45,000 and this month we read former and incoming First Lady 9 00:00:45,880 --> 00:00:50,280 Milania Trump's new book Milania, Tristan, how are you doing? 10 00:00:50,280 --> 00:00:50,560 Speaker 2: Great? 11 00:00:51,479 --> 00:00:54,520 Speaker 1: Good good? All right, So, I know that this book 12 00:00:54,640 --> 00:00:58,719 was pretty short, I think under two hundred pages, and 13 00:00:59,159 --> 00:01:04,239 I actually just to refresh myself, and also I always 14 00:01:04,280 --> 00:01:07,040 like to give a full disclosure on these things. In 15 00:01:07,079 --> 00:01:08,920 the past, it's been that I haven't read the text. 16 00:01:08,959 --> 00:01:11,319 I've been reading the or listening to the audio books. 17 00:01:11,560 --> 00:01:15,120 In this case, I actually never got around reading the book. 18 00:01:16,560 --> 00:01:19,319 But that's okay because we have you. We have you're 19 00:01:19,400 --> 00:01:24,000 such a Milania Trump file and you read the book. 20 00:01:24,079 --> 00:01:27,040 I myself just caught up on the New York Times 21 00:01:27,079 --> 00:01:29,640 book review and got their impression, which is probably going 22 00:01:29,680 --> 00:01:32,239 to be worthless compared to anything you have to say. 23 00:01:33,319 --> 00:01:35,120 But there's a question you like to ask at the 24 00:01:35,239 --> 00:01:38,560 at the top of these, which is did your impression 25 00:01:38,840 --> 00:01:42,959 change after reading the book? I know that it was short, 26 00:01:43,040 --> 00:01:46,480 but maybe there was. And you in conversations we had 27 00:01:47,200 --> 00:01:49,719 prior to this, you mentioned some things that you really 28 00:01:49,799 --> 00:01:53,400 enjoyed about the book. But what was your impression before 29 00:01:54,359 --> 00:01:58,159 the book about Milania Trump? And then did it change 30 00:01:58,400 --> 00:02:00,760 after reading it or during while reading it, and if 31 00:02:00,840 --> 00:02:03,799 so in what way? Well? 32 00:02:03,840 --> 00:02:05,719 Speaker 2: I think the one thing that that New York Times 33 00:02:05,799 --> 00:02:08,840 review got correct was that we didn't really like learn 34 00:02:08,960 --> 00:02:11,319 a ton about Malania Trump from this book. I mean, 35 00:02:11,439 --> 00:02:13,400 especially for a memoir. It was just a little bit 36 00:02:13,479 --> 00:02:15,879 light on a lot of the details that people might 37 00:02:15,919 --> 00:02:19,439 expect from a memoir, let alone from someone so prominent 38 00:02:19,560 --> 00:02:22,199 and so close to power. That's not to say it 39 00:02:22,280 --> 00:02:24,039 was bad book at all. It was you know, it 40 00:02:24,080 --> 00:02:26,120 breezed to read, nice and short. You can read it 41 00:02:26,120 --> 00:02:27,800 in a couple of hours. I read it in like 42 00:02:27,800 --> 00:02:29,840 a day and a half, and you know it was 43 00:02:29,879 --> 00:02:34,639 it wasn't, you know, unenjoyable. It just was a little 44 00:02:34,680 --> 00:02:37,840 bit light on kind of those typical details and memoir 45 00:02:37,840 --> 00:02:40,280 of my author. It's about two hundred pages. Sixty pages 46 00:02:40,319 --> 00:02:43,520 are pictures, So in that way, it's very much a 47 00:02:43,520 --> 00:02:46,599 Trumpian book. She has a lot of she talks about 48 00:02:46,599 --> 00:02:48,800 her time as a model. I did think that the 49 00:02:48,879 --> 00:02:51,520 stuff in here about her childhood was really interesting about 50 00:02:51,560 --> 00:02:56,639 how her upbringing in Europe kind of molded her into 51 00:02:56,719 --> 00:02:59,639 this fashion icon and she was doing all these shows. 52 00:02:59,639 --> 00:03:02,479 And I think there is a misconception about Milania. I 53 00:03:02,520 --> 00:03:05,759 think the public kind of had always seen her as 54 00:03:06,439 --> 00:03:08,919 this woman with a silver spoon in her mouth. She 55 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:11,400 ended up marrying this billionaire and then it was kind 56 00:03:11,400 --> 00:03:16,560 of that, you know, princess story. That was not my 57 00:03:16,599 --> 00:03:19,120 takeaway after reading this book, though. I mean, she clearly 58 00:03:19,159 --> 00:03:23,039 had a very successful career on her own account, modeling 59 00:03:23,120 --> 00:03:26,759 throughout Europe and then making it big when she moved 60 00:03:26,800 --> 00:03:29,479 across the Atlantic. And so I think that's the big 61 00:03:29,520 --> 00:03:31,680 takeaway from this book is that she was very well 62 00:03:31,800 --> 00:03:36,280 established in and decorated her own career well before she 63 00:03:36,319 --> 00:03:37,280 had met Donald Trump. 64 00:03:38,800 --> 00:03:41,319 Speaker 1: Do you so this is a question I have, especially 65 00:03:41,439 --> 00:03:45,759 so your impression seems to not totally veer from the 66 00:03:45,759 --> 00:03:50,039 New York Times review, which was not your impression, but 67 00:03:50,080 --> 00:03:52,560 like a big takeaway I guess is that, I guess 68 00:03:52,599 --> 00:03:55,960 by nature of it being a shorter book, but also 69 00:03:56,199 --> 00:03:58,680 just a lack of revelation at least in terms of 70 00:03:58,719 --> 00:04:02,719 like really getting personal or intimate. And honestly, I feel 71 00:04:02,759 --> 00:04:05,759 like that's the case often with these books. It's very 72 00:04:05,879 --> 00:04:09,879 rare for a big time celebrity of any kind, whether 73 00:04:09,919 --> 00:04:13,800 it's a political figure or you know, singer, pop stars 74 00:04:13,840 --> 00:04:16,600 something like that to really give you, like, you know, 75 00:04:16,800 --> 00:04:20,079 especially when they're still they're still kind of in their prime, 76 00:04:20,800 --> 00:04:23,319 for them to give any kind of like real details, 77 00:04:23,839 --> 00:04:28,040 intimate details. But what do you what do you think 78 00:04:28,240 --> 00:04:31,680 the purpose was of releasing this book? I guess, And 79 00:04:31,959 --> 00:04:34,160 that's there's kind of two parts to that one with 80 00:04:34,279 --> 00:04:37,800 the timing she released it a month before the election, 81 00:04:38,759 --> 00:04:43,279 and also just if she wasn't going to say if 82 00:04:43,279 --> 00:04:46,439 she wasn't going to make a lot of news with 83 00:04:46,600 --> 00:04:49,639 this book about or in any way kind of make 84 00:04:49,720 --> 00:04:52,360 big revelations that people wouldn't know and be like they 85 00:04:52,360 --> 00:04:54,000 would be like, oh my gosh, I had no idea, 86 00:04:54,040 --> 00:04:57,519 and like that's really interesting about a first lady and 87 00:04:57,639 --> 00:04:59,879 what will soon be again and our first lady again 88 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:04,000 after a short break. What do you think was the 89 00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:06,839 purpose of the book, Well, at. 90 00:05:06,800 --> 00:05:08,399 Speaker 2: The end of the day, it's a campaign book. I 91 00:05:08,399 --> 00:05:11,720 mean it was released exactly a month before election day, 92 00:05:12,160 --> 00:05:16,720 with like four weeks togo Trump was still obviously running 93 00:05:16,720 --> 00:05:18,959 for president. I think she was going to do a 94 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:21,639 memoir where she kind of settled some scores, which a 95 00:05:21,639 --> 00:05:23,480 lot of White House staffers tend to do in their 96 00:05:23,480 --> 00:05:27,399 White House memoirs post administration. That book will probably come 97 00:05:27,959 --> 00:05:32,279 after a second Trump term. I did think she writes so. 98 00:05:32,279 --> 00:05:34,439 I actually ended up reading two books for this podcast, 99 00:05:34,720 --> 00:05:37,759 just because it was a little bit short. I read 100 00:05:38,839 --> 00:05:41,959 Stephanie Winston Wolkoff's book Milania and Me. And of course 101 00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:44,720 these White House memoirs could be so so gossipy, and 102 00:05:45,040 --> 00:05:47,839 this is the woman who ended up recording Milania and 103 00:05:47,839 --> 00:05:52,839 then sending the audios to CNN and other outlets about 104 00:05:53,040 --> 00:05:55,800 I think actually might have just been CNN, but she 105 00:05:55,839 --> 00:05:58,319 had recorded Malania and then published the tapes to try 106 00:05:58,319 --> 00:06:01,800 to make her look bad. And as gossipy as these 107 00:06:02,079 --> 00:06:06,079 books are, it was interesting. But you know, the book 108 00:06:06,199 --> 00:06:11,279 where Lania might share details that she might otherwise not 109 00:06:11,319 --> 00:06:15,639 be interested in, that would come after twenty twenty eight. 110 00:06:15,879 --> 00:06:18,279 I did think it was interesting where she alludes to 111 00:06:18,439 --> 00:06:22,199 kind of some tension in the family talking about she 112 00:06:22,240 --> 00:06:25,360 didn't really dive into it, but it was kind of 113 00:06:25,399 --> 00:06:30,360 clear in one page that Milania didn't really have doesn't 114 00:06:30,360 --> 00:06:32,800 really have kind of the closest relationship to some of 115 00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:35,759 the kids in the family, And that kind of dynamic 116 00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:40,439 was outlined a lot more in Stephanie Winston Wolkoff's book 117 00:06:40,439 --> 00:06:43,199 about how Avanka and Lania never really saw eye to 118 00:06:43,199 --> 00:06:44,439 eye throughout the administration. 119 00:06:45,480 --> 00:06:49,000 Speaker 1: That's interesting and I feel like that's still that it 120 00:06:49,040 --> 00:06:50,759 really would be good to get a book like a 121 00:06:50,759 --> 00:06:53,839 real whether it's a first hand account from her or 122 00:06:53,920 --> 00:06:57,920 just an honest and true and fair account done by 123 00:06:57,920 --> 00:07:01,720 a biographer, because I think there there is still so 124 00:07:01,839 --> 00:07:05,319 much question about the decision she makes and like her, 125 00:07:05,560 --> 00:07:08,800 what her feelings are about being a first lady about 126 00:07:08,800 --> 00:07:11,800 her husband. Because I don't know now that you say 127 00:07:11,839 --> 00:07:14,519 that this was for sure a campaign book, I would 128 00:07:14,600 --> 00:07:17,120 I would say during the time that we've seen, you 129 00:07:17,160 --> 00:07:19,959 know Trump as a political figure running for office in 130 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:25,240 twenty sixteen, because honestly, I date Trump's political career in earnest, 131 00:07:25,439 --> 00:07:29,399 like when he was sincerely asserting himself as a factor 132 00:07:29,439 --> 00:07:31,680 in politics, was actually twenty twelve. I don't know if 133 00:07:31,680 --> 00:07:34,879 you remember that far back, but that basically coincided with 134 00:07:34,920 --> 00:07:37,959 when I had just gotten out of college, and you 135 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:41,160 know that was there was a twenty twelve election re 136 00:07:41,279 --> 00:07:45,319 election effort for obuying, excuse me, Obama, and then there 137 00:07:45,360 --> 00:07:49,360 was a pretty wide open field for the Republican nominee. 138 00:07:49,560 --> 00:07:52,920 But Trump was really flirting with getting in, getting into 139 00:07:52,959 --> 00:07:55,519 the race, and I really do think he was. He was, 140 00:07:55,600 --> 00:07:57,839 he was kind, he was serious about wanting to get in. 141 00:07:57,920 --> 00:08:01,120 I think he ultimately decided that he probably would lose 142 00:08:01,120 --> 00:08:03,800 to Obama, which I thought was probably true, though, I 143 00:08:03,839 --> 00:08:05,720 will just say, what do you say. 144 00:08:05,879 --> 00:08:08,079 Speaker 2: Well, I just think Obama in a lot of ways 145 00:08:08,360 --> 00:08:11,160 was an unbeatable candidate, especially in two thousand and eight 146 00:08:11,160 --> 00:08:13,600 and probably still in twenty twelve. I mean, I'll just 147 00:08:13,720 --> 00:08:17,160 never I went to Obama's opening kickoff ranleying Columbus for 148 00:08:17,199 --> 00:08:21,279 re election twenty twelve, and just such a compelling speaker. 149 00:08:21,639 --> 00:08:25,680 I didn't think it would have taken a very unique candidate, 150 00:08:25,720 --> 00:08:29,399 even beyond the capabilities of Donald Trump, to defeat Obama's 151 00:08:29,439 --> 00:08:32,240 momentum in twenty twelve. I just seeing it in Ohio 152 00:08:32,360 --> 00:08:33,039 was overwhelming. 153 00:08:33,600 --> 00:08:37,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that that's probably true. We'll never know. Obviously, 154 00:08:37,480 --> 00:08:41,159 I will say that Trump, just like he did in 155 00:08:41,159 --> 00:08:45,960 twenty sixteen, generated excitement within the Republican Party that nobody 156 00:08:45,960 --> 00:08:48,360 else was doing, but he ultimately backed out. And then 157 00:08:48,559 --> 00:08:50,080 the last thing I will say about that real quick 158 00:08:50,120 --> 00:08:52,440 is just that his son did say I was listening 159 00:08:52,440 --> 00:08:54,240 to a podcast with I forget which one, but it 160 00:08:54,279 --> 00:08:56,279 was with Eric Trump. I believe where he said the 161 00:08:56,320 --> 00:08:59,919 reason why Donald Trump did not run in twenty twelve 162 00:09:00,159 --> 00:09:03,440 was because he said that our family just wasn't ready 163 00:09:03,440 --> 00:09:06,519 to be like in that arena. So maybe that was 164 00:09:06,960 --> 00:09:11,879 the calculation. But I don't remember Malania Trump during that 165 00:09:11,919 --> 00:09:14,519 period of time to the twenty twelve period where Trump 166 00:09:14,600 --> 00:09:18,480 was really considering running and talking about the birther stuff, 167 00:09:18,519 --> 00:09:21,039 but also also a lot of other things that he 168 00:09:21,120 --> 00:09:24,000 continued talking about and still does that were really catching 169 00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:27,519 fire and catching attention with people who did want him 170 00:09:27,559 --> 00:09:29,840 to run. But I don't remember her much around that time, 171 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:34,519 but ever since, say twenty sixteen, her presence in a 172 00:09:34,559 --> 00:09:39,200 lot of ways to me has seemed like this. I 173 00:09:39,240 --> 00:09:41,360 don't know if I would use the word reluctant, but 174 00:09:41,559 --> 00:09:45,559 almost like you know, I'm so going to show you 175 00:09:45,600 --> 00:09:48,039 that I really don't care, which would literally go back 176 00:09:48,080 --> 00:09:51,360 to that jacket that she wore, that I'm going to 177 00:09:51,440 --> 00:09:57,919 do things that almost as a form of contempt I 178 00:09:57,960 --> 00:10:00,120 have for what you think I should be doing. So 179 00:10:00,159 --> 00:10:02,679 you said it's a campaign book, so she goes, Oh, 180 00:10:02,720 --> 00:10:05,120 I'm expected to do a campaign book as the first lady. 181 00:10:05,279 --> 00:10:08,039 I'm going to put out this flimsy book where I 182 00:10:08,080 --> 00:10:09,720 tell you nothing and it's going to be just a 183 00:10:09,759 --> 00:10:12,600 bunch of pictures. And I mean, again, that's me maybe 184 00:10:12,639 --> 00:10:14,320 reading into it, but I just feel like when she 185 00:10:14,480 --> 00:10:17,120 shows up to when she shows up in a way 186 00:10:17,120 --> 00:10:19,759 that's like that's something that traditional first ladies would do it, 187 00:10:19,799 --> 00:10:23,320 she does it in a way that to me seems 188 00:10:23,320 --> 00:10:26,360 to want to signal her contempt for it. What do 189 00:10:26,399 --> 00:10:27,720 you think, Well. 190 00:10:27,919 --> 00:10:29,879 Speaker 2: I think it's important to remind people that she is 191 00:10:29,919 --> 00:10:35,600 intensely personal in private, excuse me private. She's always been 192 00:10:35,600 --> 00:10:39,480 intensely private, and that is true throughout the entire administration. 193 00:10:39,759 --> 00:10:42,679 That's probably going to remain true throughout the next administration. 194 00:10:42,840 --> 00:10:46,000 She was rarely on the campaign trail the past two years. 195 00:10:46,679 --> 00:10:49,960 The media always makes stuff up about that, and even 196 00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:53,320 Stephanie Winston Wolkoff, who is a confident of Milania's for 197 00:10:53,879 --> 00:10:57,799 in like years and years and years, talked about this 198 00:10:57,840 --> 00:11:00,320 in the book how the media is always so eager 199 00:11:00,759 --> 00:11:08,039 to manufacture stories about Milania that just weren't true Milania. 200 00:11:08,559 --> 00:11:12,080 I remember reading in the book about how and Stephie 201 00:11:12,080 --> 00:11:16,559 Winston's book about how the media made up a story 202 00:11:16,600 --> 00:11:19,759 about Malania swatting Donald Trump's hand after they got off 203 00:11:19,799 --> 00:11:24,440 a plane behind some dignitaries and then they also the 204 00:11:24,519 --> 00:11:28,919 free Mlania campaign came out of the inauguration when she 205 00:11:29,759 --> 00:11:32,159 had some type of look on her face. She looked 206 00:11:32,200 --> 00:11:34,399 at Trump with a smile after he had been sworn in, 207 00:11:34,720 --> 00:11:37,639 and then Trump looks away and then she's immediately like scowling. 208 00:11:38,200 --> 00:11:41,559 The media created this, oh, free Malania campaign, like she's 209 00:11:41,639 --> 00:11:45,720 trapped under John Trump's wing when reality, she explains, and 210 00:11:46,240 --> 00:11:49,120 Stephanie Winston explains in her book about how actually no 211 00:11:49,519 --> 00:11:52,399 baron had stomped on her foot accidentally or something in 212 00:11:52,679 --> 00:11:57,600 her but I mean Milania, she she totally understands that 213 00:11:57,679 --> 00:12:02,159 the media is instinctively hostel towards her and her family. 214 00:12:02,919 --> 00:12:06,279 She's like her husband in in a lot of those 215 00:12:06,279 --> 00:12:10,919 political calculations, and she's intensely personal, and so I guess 216 00:12:10,919 --> 00:12:13,720 I wasn't too surprised that there wasn't really a ton 217 00:12:13,759 --> 00:12:16,279 of meat in this new in this book in October 218 00:12:16,960 --> 00:12:18,919 to kind of chew on on some of those those 219 00:12:18,919 --> 00:12:22,360 different scandals. But I do think she she really throughout 220 00:12:22,360 --> 00:12:25,200 the book, does you know, take a hammer to the media, 221 00:12:25,279 --> 00:12:27,639 which would also make sense given that this was a 222 00:12:27,679 --> 00:12:29,039 campaign book anyway. 223 00:12:29,840 --> 00:12:33,519 Speaker 1: For sure, you know, if I was going to ask, 224 00:12:34,120 --> 00:12:36,159 like if I had a chance to interview Malania, and 225 00:12:36,200 --> 00:12:43,519 I actually did put forth a very like kind of tepid, 226 00:12:44,240 --> 00:12:48,039 timid feeler out there because you know, and we've talked 227 00:12:48,039 --> 00:12:54,360 about this before, that she's actually fairly active and engaged 228 00:12:54,440 --> 00:12:58,559 with the like the Gated Republican group, log Cabins and 229 00:12:58,679 --> 00:13:01,440 probably some others. But I know, heaven for sure she's 230 00:13:01,480 --> 00:13:05,000 headline fundraisers for them, and to my knowledge, that's the 231 00:13:05,039 --> 00:13:10,120 only overt artist in politics that she engages in it 232 00:13:10,240 --> 00:13:12,679 all other than you know, seeing her gift speeches for 233 00:13:12,759 --> 00:13:15,080 her husband, but you don't really see her campaign for him. 234 00:13:15,360 --> 00:13:19,080 You don't see her meeting doing any other form of fundraiser, 235 00:13:19,639 --> 00:13:21,639 if not just like appearing with her husband you don't 236 00:13:21,639 --> 00:13:25,159 see her doing it independently with anything other than gay 237 00:13:25,200 --> 00:13:29,120 Republican groups, which I find really interesting. Though again that 238 00:13:29,480 --> 00:13:31,200 might that might go to my which I mean, I've 239 00:13:31,200 --> 00:13:34,320 always found Donald Trump to be a gay friendly Republican 240 00:13:34,360 --> 00:13:37,080 more so than anyone in history, in history. Gay wedding 241 00:13:37,120 --> 00:13:39,759 at mor Laga. Oh right, that's right, Yeah, I forgot 242 00:13:39,799 --> 00:13:43,200 about that. But you know, I think again that kind 243 00:13:43,200 --> 00:13:45,639 of might go to my point. That's like, she does 244 00:13:45,679 --> 00:13:48,080 this thing, it's that's completely oh yeah no, but I 245 00:13:48,120 --> 00:13:51,159 am involved. And look, it's a gay Republican group, you know, 246 00:13:51,200 --> 00:13:53,360 and it's just like meant to like rub it in 247 00:13:53,360 --> 00:13:56,320 people's faces. Perhaps perhaps not, but anyway, if I was 248 00:13:56,360 --> 00:13:58,480 going to ask her, Oh, what I was getting at though, 249 00:13:58,480 --> 00:14:01,679 is that I actually did va via the gay Republican 250 00:14:01,720 --> 00:14:05,759 group that she interacts with. I asked one of their 251 00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:08,360 leading figures there, like, hey, do you know does she 252 00:14:08,440 --> 00:14:11,600 do interviews? And he said blackly, absolutely not. 253 00:14:12,080 --> 00:14:14,960 Speaker 2: Okay. So that's interesting because about three weeks ago I 254 00:14:15,000 --> 00:14:15,720 did the same thing. 255 00:14:16,600 --> 00:14:17,039 Speaker 1: Dially. 256 00:14:17,559 --> 00:14:21,559 Speaker 2: Yes, I asked someone in that network, because I have 257 00:14:21,639 --> 00:14:24,639 this book on body positivity coming out. Of course, given 258 00:14:24,879 --> 00:14:27,799 how so I she writes, she talks about her new 259 00:14:27,799 --> 00:14:29,440 modeling career in this book, and I thought, Okay, if 260 00:14:29,480 --> 00:14:31,519 she's going to do a press tour and she's going 261 00:14:31,600 --> 00:14:33,519 to go on Fox News and talk about her plans 262 00:14:33,519 --> 00:14:38,039 for the Be Best Initiative, what better issue to put 263 00:14:38,039 --> 00:14:41,720 into her Be Best initiative against childhood obi against childhood 264 00:14:41,720 --> 00:14:46,399 bullying than a new campaign against childhood obesit except accomplishing 265 00:14:46,480 --> 00:14:49,519 what Michelle Obama couldn't accomplish back in twenty ten with 266 00:14:49,559 --> 00:14:51,840 the Let's move campaign, So with the whole you know, 267 00:14:51,879 --> 00:14:55,240 make America Healthy Again movement, It's just she could really 268 00:14:55,320 --> 00:14:59,919 make her mark on the administration's efforts against chronic disease 269 00:15:00,200 --> 00:15:03,919 by going after childhood obesity, except doing it successfully this time. 270 00:15:04,639 --> 00:15:07,240 So I actually tried to interview her a month ago, 271 00:15:07,679 --> 00:15:10,279 asking if she wants to talk about maybe what some 272 00:15:10,279 --> 00:15:12,279 of those plans might be, because she did go on 273 00:15:12,399 --> 00:15:15,200 Fox and say I'm going to continue my Be Best Initiative, 274 00:15:15,240 --> 00:15:17,480 So we know she's going to continue working on child's issues, 275 00:15:18,279 --> 00:15:20,559 and I just think there couldn't be a better better 276 00:15:22,600 --> 00:15:24,879 thing to put into that campaign than childhood ab And 277 00:15:25,200 --> 00:15:29,320 she talks about her campaign throughout this book. She obviously 278 00:15:29,320 --> 00:15:30,879 cares a lot about the issue, and she talks about 279 00:15:30,919 --> 00:15:33,120 nude modeling and kind of you know, it's important to 280 00:15:33,120 --> 00:15:36,440 be a body positive in terms of honoring the human body, 281 00:15:36,559 --> 00:15:39,600 treating it as a temple, and just kind of align 282 00:15:39,879 --> 00:15:41,559 with a lot of the ideas and my own book 283 00:15:41,559 --> 00:15:46,320 coming out this month. But she does so few interviews 284 00:15:46,360 --> 00:15:48,639 that they threw so much cold water, And that was 285 00:15:48,639 --> 00:15:52,559 almost embarrassed that I asked it was it was. It 286 00:15:52,600 --> 00:15:55,919 was a hard no, But my invitation's open. 287 00:15:56,279 --> 00:15:59,879 Speaker 1: Yeah, you tried, and early congratulations to you on your book. 288 00:16:00,759 --> 00:16:03,200 Too bad for neither of us. We got to interview Malania, 289 00:16:03,240 --> 00:16:05,559 But what I was going to say was that there 290 00:16:05,600 --> 00:16:07,480 are some kind of obvious I'd have a lot of 291 00:16:07,600 --> 00:16:12,399 questions for her, but some obvious ones would be you 292 00:16:12,440 --> 00:16:16,799 know what, I'm actually very curious about her relationship with 293 00:16:16,879 --> 00:16:20,440 her son, who she seems to absolutely dote for. I 294 00:16:20,440 --> 00:16:23,519 would love to interview Baron too, but just seems to 295 00:16:23,679 --> 00:16:27,720 like dope for him, and like I would want to, 296 00:16:27,799 --> 00:16:30,039 I would want to ask her and see how she 297 00:16:30,200 --> 00:16:32,960 talks about him, her son, Baron, I would want, but 298 00:16:33,000 --> 00:16:35,360 I would also want to ask what was it like 299 00:16:35,480 --> 00:16:38,200 and what for you to sit there and watch the 300 00:16:38,279 --> 00:16:40,960 media coverage. If you did, you must have heard things 301 00:16:41,039 --> 00:16:43,679 about what was going on with the Stormy Daniels scandal. 302 00:16:44,759 --> 00:16:48,000 What did you you know when when those tapes were 303 00:16:48,080 --> 00:16:52,320 leaked with your phone conversations with what's her name, Stephanie 304 00:16:52,639 --> 00:16:56,799 Stephanie Winston. Yeah, so those tapes, And I actually I 305 00:16:57,360 --> 00:16:59,320 bet you probably had the same impression that those tapes 306 00:16:59,360 --> 00:17:02,519 actually made me kind of like her more because she, 307 00:17:02,639 --> 00:17:06,039 like she said at one point, like they want me 308 00:17:06,039 --> 00:17:08,599 to focus on Christmas and who gives an f about Christmas? 309 00:17:08,759 --> 00:17:10,480 And I mean, I love Christmas, but I just thought 310 00:17:10,480 --> 00:17:13,359 it was funny, like to hear her who you would 311 00:17:13,400 --> 00:17:16,039 have never expected or you can almost like not imagine 312 00:17:16,039 --> 00:17:18,119 her talking like that. But you know, so there's there's 313 00:17:18,119 --> 00:17:21,759 certain questions like that, and my understanding is that, Oh 314 00:17:21,759 --> 00:17:24,480 and then obviously like the Gene Carrol stuff, the Access 315 00:17:24,519 --> 00:17:27,400 Hollywood tape, you know those kind how did you did 316 00:17:27,400 --> 00:17:29,880 you did you help your husband? Did you feel that 317 00:17:29,920 --> 00:17:32,119 it was like or did you just stay out of it? Like? 318 00:17:32,319 --> 00:17:35,000 How did did you strategize with your husband on these issues? 319 00:17:35,680 --> 00:17:37,799 Those are questions I have, and I think obvious questions, 320 00:17:37,799 --> 00:17:40,759 But my understanding is pretty much anything you'd want to 321 00:17:40,799 --> 00:17:47,480 see like that is absent from the book. Did you 322 00:17:47,519 --> 00:17:48,200 know eight. 323 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:51,400 Speaker 3: Out of the last eleven creative jobs never really existed? 324 00:17:51,519 --> 00:17:54,440 Watched Out on Wall Street podcast with Chris Markowski. Every 325 00:17:54,480 --> 00:17:57,200 day Chris helps unpack the connection between politics and the 326 00:17:57,240 --> 00:17:59,640 economy and how it affects your wallet. Over the course 327 00:17:59,680 --> 00:18:02,079 of the last year, the Labor Department has revised the 328 00:18:02,200 --> 00:18:03,200 Jobs report. 329 00:18:02,880 --> 00:18:04,759 Speaker 1: By over a million jobs. 330 00:18:04,799 --> 00:18:07,440 Speaker 3: In case you forgot, the Federal Reserve was using this 331 00:18:07,480 --> 00:18:10,559 info and making their policy decisions. Whether it's happening in 332 00:18:10,640 --> 00:18:13,039 DC or down on Wall Street, it's affecting you financially. 333 00:18:13,119 --> 00:18:13,640 Speaker 1: Be informed. 334 00:18:13,720 --> 00:18:15,839 Speaker 3: Check out the Watchdot on Wall Street podcast with Chris 335 00:18:15,880 --> 00:18:18,799 Markowski on Apple, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts. 336 00:18:21,000 --> 00:18:23,279 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, she doesn't really talk about a ton 337 00:18:23,319 --> 00:18:26,640 of that. She does talk about how she felt that 338 00:18:26,720 --> 00:18:29,200 she was treated unfairly by the media, and I think 339 00:18:29,240 --> 00:18:31,799 that's really obvious to anyone who had been watching. I mean, 340 00:18:31,839 --> 00:18:36,640 I'll never get over how ridiculously hostile the wash Sheet 341 00:18:36,759 --> 00:18:41,400 post was, in particular to Milania, especially on the Christmas decorations. 342 00:18:41,440 --> 00:18:43,759 I think it was December twenty eighteen, so is right 343 00:18:43,759 --> 00:18:49,240 before COVID, but Milania put up this amazing Christmas display, 344 00:18:50,240 --> 00:18:53,160 and then the Washington Post is calling it cold, and 345 00:18:54,279 --> 00:18:56,279 you know, the ice Queen in the White House is 346 00:18:56,799 --> 00:18:58,559 you know, the witch of the White House and just 347 00:18:58,599 --> 00:19:01,279 doing everything it can hear her. It was clearly a 348 00:19:01,319 --> 00:19:03,880 political hit job. But then you go look at the 349 00:19:03,880 --> 00:19:08,640 coverage of these outlets of anything anything Michelle Obama did, 350 00:19:08,960 --> 00:19:11,440 and it was always, oh, look at her arms, look 351 00:19:11,480 --> 00:19:13,440 at her you know, go queen. I mean it was 352 00:19:13,480 --> 00:19:18,720 this type of you know, Oprah winfree style coverage that 353 00:19:18,799 --> 00:19:22,599 you can expect for for any Democrats in the White House. 354 00:19:22,799 --> 00:19:24,880 Winnie Trump didn't get any of that she needed, didn't 355 00:19:24,920 --> 00:19:27,160 get any grace from the from the media. They just 356 00:19:27,279 --> 00:19:29,960 raked her over the coals a month after month, they 357 00:19:29,960 --> 00:19:32,480 after day, and she just took it because I think 358 00:19:32,519 --> 00:19:36,559 she understands, just like her husband does, that the media 359 00:19:36,720 --> 00:19:41,039 is instinctively hostile to them and they're never going to 360 00:19:41,039 --> 00:19:43,279 get the coverage that they frankly should have. 361 00:19:44,160 --> 00:19:47,039 Speaker 1: Well, and then you know there's a special hatred that 362 00:19:47,359 --> 00:19:51,880 the media have for I would say that you could 363 00:19:51,920 --> 00:19:54,680 that you could argue that it's it's it's equal, but 364 00:19:54,799 --> 00:20:00,440 actually I think it's worse for women who or Donald 365 00:20:00,480 --> 00:20:03,400 Trump or associate with him. They have a very similar 366 00:20:03,440 --> 00:20:08,079 hatred for ethnic minorities who support or associate with Donald Trump. 367 00:20:08,240 --> 00:20:13,200 But I do think that it is especially vitriolic for 368 00:20:13,319 --> 00:20:20,200 women like Sarah Sanders, like Kelly and Conway, like his wife. 369 00:20:20,240 --> 00:20:23,039 And I think that it's because it's this idea that like, 370 00:20:23,640 --> 00:20:27,720 you're a woman, and you're working against women by supporting 371 00:20:27,759 --> 00:20:31,200 Donald Trump. And I think that that's not very obvious 372 00:20:31,519 --> 00:20:34,720 with Milania. But one case I would say where that 373 00:20:34,839 --> 00:20:38,079 was really really striking and so obvious, and I can't 374 00:20:38,079 --> 00:20:41,440 believe that. I can't believe it was made so obvious 375 00:20:41,680 --> 00:20:44,079 was during twenty twenty with the COVID stuff, and you 376 00:20:44,160 --> 00:20:47,240 had two main figures who were kind of like the 377 00:20:47,279 --> 00:20:52,839 face of the Corona Virus task Force, White House task Force. 378 00:20:53,119 --> 00:20:57,319 You had Anthony Fauci and then you had Deborah Burkes. 379 00:20:57,359 --> 00:21:01,319 Every story about and there was daylight between the two 380 00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:04,720 of them. Absolutely not with the things they said. But 381 00:21:05,200 --> 00:21:08,319 any story you read about Anthony Fauci was about how 382 00:21:08,359 --> 00:21:11,839 he's steadying the ship, he's pushing back against Donald Trump. 383 00:21:12,160 --> 00:21:16,200 He's this sex symbol, this follow the science. Any story 384 00:21:16,240 --> 00:21:20,799 about Deborah Burkes was about how she's subservient to Donald Trump, 385 00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:24,799 how she acquiesces to what he wants, to the politics 386 00:21:24,839 --> 00:21:27,799 that favor him, and that was just simply not true, 387 00:21:28,519 --> 00:21:31,680 and it was it just reeked of sexism to say 388 00:21:31,680 --> 00:21:35,640 that while Anthony Fauci the man who he's actually like 389 00:21:35,720 --> 00:21:39,000 in charge here, whereas she's just who's saying nothing any different, 390 00:21:39,039 --> 00:21:42,519 doing nothing any different. She's subservient to the president. And actually, 391 00:21:42,519 --> 00:21:44,319 you know, you have to suspect, you have to be 392 00:21:44,359 --> 00:21:47,400 suspect of anything she says. But of course that's that 393 00:21:47,599 --> 00:21:50,799 is true. I think of Milania Trump and the things 394 00:21:50,839 --> 00:21:53,000 that you know, she was a very elegant first lady. 395 00:21:53,279 --> 00:21:55,759 She did do I think a great job with those decorations. 396 00:21:55,759 --> 00:21:57,960 Then you look at what we saw was that last 397 00:21:58,039 --> 00:22:01,119 Christmas where they had that absolute freak at the White 398 00:22:01,160 --> 00:22:03,319 House under Biden. It was weird. 399 00:22:03,839 --> 00:22:05,880 Speaker 2: I mean, the one of Christmas stuff under Biden was 400 00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:07,519 just bizarre. I mean, I don't really know if there's 401 00:22:07,519 --> 00:22:08,599 any other way to put it. 402 00:22:09,319 --> 00:22:13,519 Speaker 1: No, for sure, But so was there any indication in 403 00:22:13,559 --> 00:22:18,559 the book of what a return to a role as 404 00:22:18,599 --> 00:22:20,160 for well, I guess you said that she said on 405 00:22:20,200 --> 00:22:21,759 Fox News that she has some plans, But was there 406 00:22:21,759 --> 00:22:23,880 anything in the book that kind of maybe would have 407 00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:28,279 previewed what a second, you know, a Milania Trump first lady, 408 00:22:28,279 --> 00:22:29,440 where ducts would look like. 409 00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:35,319 Speaker 2: I think it'll look a lot like the first I 410 00:22:35,359 --> 00:22:38,559 do think that she is going to be a lot 411 00:22:38,599 --> 00:22:41,599 more effective in this new administration. Just I think across 412 00:22:41,599 --> 00:22:43,440 the board, the administration is going to be more effective 413 00:22:43,519 --> 00:22:47,759 after learning all the lessons of their first administration. She 414 00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:51,920 really didn't get the full staffing that she needed to 415 00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:56,359 really launch her project until well well into Trump's first term. 416 00:22:56,720 --> 00:22:59,160 I think that dynamic is probably going to change going 417 00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:02,960 to this next year, and I think that the entire ministry, 418 00:23:03,599 --> 00:23:05,359 entire White House is just going to make better personnel 419 00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:08,960 decisions across the board, and they're going to make them 420 00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:11,000 a lot earlier on. I think Malania Trump is going 421 00:23:11,039 --> 00:23:14,200 to have a team, a very effective team assembled early on. 422 00:23:14,319 --> 00:23:16,799 So I think we can expect to see a lot 423 00:23:16,839 --> 00:23:19,839 more of mania in this in this next administration, especially 424 00:23:19,839 --> 00:23:22,839 now that Baron is in college and he's not still 425 00:23:23,039 --> 00:23:26,279 going to school and kind of needing to support that 426 00:23:26,319 --> 00:23:29,400 she she had to offer while Trumpet, while Donald was 427 00:23:29,519 --> 00:23:34,599 running the country. So I think that's something I do think. 428 00:23:34,759 --> 00:23:37,599 I am optimistic that she will do something on childhood obesity. 429 00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:40,680 She absolutely should. It will be perfect in an administration 430 00:23:40,759 --> 00:23:44,400 that's going to be much more forceful on this issue 431 00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:47,400 than the Obamas were. So when I was writing my book, 432 00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:50,920 there's a whole chapter chapter in my book on childhood 433 00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:55,440 obesity and how Michelle Obama's campaign just failed because the administration, 434 00:23:55,839 --> 00:23:58,160 the Obama White House, was too reluctant to go after 435 00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:01,920 the corporate industry. So Michelle Obama is doing this doing 436 00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:05,519 what Democrats always do, frankly, which is run celebrity fused 437 00:24:05,559 --> 00:24:10,119 infused campaigns across social media and luxure Americans to do 438 00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:13,279 whatever Democrats want them to do. So Michelle Obama goes 439 00:24:13,319 --> 00:24:16,240 on Ellen di Jenner's show and dances into the social 440 00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:19,920 media campaign asking Americans to give them. Quote was like, 441 00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:22,000 give me five those like the hashag they were doing, 442 00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:24,759 and show five things that people were doing to live 443 00:24:24,799 --> 00:24:27,640 a better, healthier lifestyle. Okay, I don't know anyone who 444 00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:30,160 would take that seriously. I mean, I don't know anyone 445 00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:33,839 who's going to post on Twitter, here's five things, and 446 00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:36,839 just that message doesn't going to resonate. I think it's 447 00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:40,279 an example of kind of elite lecturing that I don't 448 00:24:40,319 --> 00:24:43,279 think Trump and Robert F. Kennedy in this new Make 449 00:24:43,319 --> 00:24:46,960 America Healthy Again movement is going to do. I mean, 450 00:24:47,039 --> 00:24:50,519 you see Donald Trump standing on stage to Robert F. 451 00:24:50,559 --> 00:24:54,039 Kennedy railing against chronic disease and then he's serving French 452 00:24:54,039 --> 00:24:57,400 fries at a McDonald's stride through window at first glance, 453 00:24:57,440 --> 00:25:00,920 is an obvious contradiction, right, Make America Health Again and 454 00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:04,759 then come to McDonald's. But I think Robert F. Kennedy 455 00:25:04,759 --> 00:25:07,440 made a good point in that fast food didn't always 456 00:25:07,519 --> 00:25:08,960 have to be so unhealthy. 457 00:25:09,599 --> 00:25:10,200 Speaker 1: Fat food. 458 00:25:10,519 --> 00:25:13,559 Speaker 2: French fries in particular, used to be fried with beef 459 00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:16,200 tallow as opposed to all these seed oils that we're 460 00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:18,039 using in all these restaurants because it is so much cheaper. 461 00:25:18,799 --> 00:25:20,799 And so I think the Trump administration is going to 462 00:25:20,839 --> 00:25:23,279 be far more effective going after chronic disease because they're 463 00:25:23,279 --> 00:25:26,400 actually going to go after corporations that have really engineered 464 00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:29,839 foods to become as addictive as possible, just like big 465 00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:32,799 Tobacco did throughout the twentieth century. And I think with 466 00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:36,160 that type of approach to this, there is a lot 467 00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:38,599 more possibility to be a lot more effective. I mean, 468 00:25:38,759 --> 00:25:42,240 I don't think the I think people kind of rub 469 00:25:42,279 --> 00:25:44,759 their noses at whatever Michelle Obama was doing in the 470 00:25:44,799 --> 00:25:47,720 White House because it was this elite lecturing. And I 471 00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:50,680 think that to make America healthy again, a Americans are 472 00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:53,960 realizing how sick they'd become and be They're realizing, Okay, 473 00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:58,920 it's not actually all Americans fault, it's really corporations hijacking 474 00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:03,200 these these reward centers of our brains, just like big tobacco. 475 00:26:03,559 --> 00:26:05,920 And I think if we go after the corporations, go 476 00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:08,799 after food addiction and call it what it is, there's 477 00:26:08,839 --> 00:26:10,559 going to be some chance for success in this. And 478 00:26:10,599 --> 00:26:13,559 I think that's where Milania Trump has an opportunity to 479 00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:14,680 really make an impact. 480 00:26:15,519 --> 00:26:19,839 Speaker 1: Yeah, And I always feel like on things like that, 481 00:26:20,279 --> 00:26:23,720 the biggest impact you can make is just leading by example. 482 00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:26,640 Like I don't really need like a lesson or a 483 00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:30,599 marketing campaign. I just need to see you exercising and 484 00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:33,480 eating right and living in a way that, like you know, 485 00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:37,200 is clearly beneficial to you. So it would it might 486 00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:38,839 actually which I'm sure we're not going to get, but 487 00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:40,759 it might actually be better if she was a little 488 00:26:40,799 --> 00:26:44,640 bit more visible in whatever way possible that could. They 489 00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:47,400 could convey that you think that's. 490 00:26:47,279 --> 00:26:49,559 Speaker 2: Just one Just to know on that real quick to 491 00:26:49,559 --> 00:26:52,799 put that in perspective too, Americans in twenty ten, we're 492 00:26:52,839 --> 00:26:55,759 still reeling from the two thousand and eight financial crisis. Okay, 493 00:26:55,799 --> 00:26:58,400 So so nobody wanted to be lectured about needing to 494 00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:01,799 eat you know, more expensive organic foods and fruits and 495 00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:04,680 vegetables while they're still trying to cope with whether they're 496 00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:07,880 going to lose their house. Well, it's variosumerministration that's telling 497 00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:11,240 them to spend more money to buy better food, is 498 00:27:11,319 --> 00:27:15,200 giving handouts to all the big banks and letting Americans 499 00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:19,680 go under. And so now you know, fifteen years later 500 00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:23,200 and we're in ten Americans suffering one chronic disease six 501 00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:27,000 and ten suffering two Americans understand they're sick and with mania. 502 00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:32,039 Trump doing a campaign against childhood bullying. What better initiative 503 00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:36,359 to put in that against childhood bullying than combating childhood obesity. 504 00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:38,200 I mean, that's been It's like some of the worst 505 00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:41,839 commons kids receive is about their weight and their appearance. 506 00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:45,559 Now you have, you know, childhood obesity off the charts. 507 00:27:45,559 --> 00:27:48,440 It's even higher than it was after the Obama's left office. 508 00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:52,200 You have rates of type two diabetes doubling under lockdowns. 509 00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:56,960 You have one in five kids now categorically obese, and 510 00:27:57,039 --> 00:28:00,920 so obviously it's a national crisis. Our military readiness has suffered, 511 00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:05,039 it's national security issue. And you know, we're not in 512 00:28:05,079 --> 00:28:07,720 the same type of peril that we were in twenty ten. 513 00:28:08,319 --> 00:28:10,759 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a different time, and I think people have 514 00:28:11,319 --> 00:28:14,119 you know, their perceptions have changed, and a lot of 515 00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:16,720 that is because of their their financial situation has changed 516 00:28:16,759 --> 00:28:19,920 for the better. Okay, we'll only got a couple more minutes, 517 00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:22,039 but here's here's a question I've got for you related 518 00:28:22,079 --> 00:28:26,599 to Malania's book. Something that I feel is, I don't 519 00:28:26,599 --> 00:28:28,319 know if most people would frame it this way, or 520 00:28:28,319 --> 00:28:30,200 if I would think that it's at least in the 521 00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:33,400 back of people's minds that it's hard to get a 522 00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:36,640 sense of like what is it that makes her happy? Like? 523 00:28:37,039 --> 00:28:38,640 And I would say the same thing has been true 524 00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:42,279 up until this campaign. Honestly, it has been true. It 525 00:28:42,279 --> 00:28:44,039 has been true to me that I could not you 526 00:28:44,039 --> 00:28:46,640 could not ask me what is it that Donald Trump 527 00:28:46,839 --> 00:28:49,960 likes other than golf? What is it that he truly 528 00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:53,759 enjoys delights him? Like a movie, a book that he's 529 00:28:53,759 --> 00:28:55,880 read songs that he likes to hear. I think we 530 00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:57,599 know a lot about that more now, and a lot 531 00:28:57,640 --> 00:28:59,839 of that has to do with I think it was 532 00:29:00,119 --> 00:29:03,720 really a strategic campaign decision to do that, and a 533 00:29:03,759 --> 00:29:06,599 lot of it was kind of on exhibition and he 534 00:29:06,799 --> 00:29:12,519 in his these multi hour long podcast interviews he was 535 00:29:12,519 --> 00:29:15,160 doing where it's just a conversation and they do ask 536 00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:17,480 him these type of questions like, oh, like what's the 537 00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:19,599 best movie you've seen? Or like, what was it like 538 00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:21,680 writing the plane? And then he goes on these long stories. 539 00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:23,720 And when I really got a simple was something that 540 00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:26,119 I'd never heard him say any any kind of story 541 00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:29,559 like this before. Was he was on I forget whose 542 00:29:29,599 --> 00:29:33,599 podcast it was, but they asked him a dumb question. 543 00:29:33,599 --> 00:29:35,440 I don't even I don't think it was even like specifically, 544 00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:36,440 what was your favorite movie? 545 00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:36,680 Speaker 2: It was? 546 00:29:36,799 --> 00:29:38,680 Speaker 1: But he talked about how he was on an airplane 547 00:29:39,079 --> 00:29:41,200 and they had nothing for him, like you couldn't get 548 00:29:41,279 --> 00:29:45,799 do internet, you couldn't do anything, but they had videotapes. 549 00:29:45,799 --> 00:29:48,119 He actually said videotapes, which is kind of crazy. He 550 00:29:48,119 --> 00:29:50,799 said they had videotapes, So I told them go ahead, 551 00:29:50,839 --> 00:29:52,359 and and he just picked one. He said, put that 552 00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:54,839 one in. It was and it was Braveheart. And he 553 00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:57,519 was like and literally, within like the first like forty 554 00:29:57,559 --> 00:29:59,480 seconds of watching this movie, I thought that was the 555 00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:02,440 greatest movie ever. This must be the best movie ever done. 556 00:30:02,519 --> 00:30:05,240 And I'm just like, okay that I've never heard Donald 557 00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:08,640 Trump say Donald Trump say, like, what does he genuinely enjoy? 558 00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:11,480 What delights him? What kind of entertainment did you reading 559 00:30:11,519 --> 00:30:14,640 the book get a sense of that anything at all 560 00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:17,759 from like malaniay, like things that she truly enjoys doing, 561 00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:20,119 or media she consumes, anything like that. 562 00:30:20,599 --> 00:30:23,799 Speaker 2: So that's a very interesting question. And I was actually 563 00:30:23,839 --> 00:30:26,880 kind of surprised to see she likes cars. She talks 564 00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:29,200 about growing up in Europe and how her dad was 565 00:30:29,519 --> 00:30:32,839 she So I think she likes luxury cars, which kind 566 00:30:32,839 --> 00:30:36,160 of surprised me. And then I don't know why I 567 00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:40,039 just did. I think I think her health. I think 568 00:30:40,039 --> 00:30:42,400 she gets a lot of joy from being healthy. I 569 00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:44,960 think that was true in seventy Winston Wolkoff's book too, 570 00:30:45,599 --> 00:30:47,880 And I think that's you're talking about leading by example. 571 00:30:48,119 --> 00:30:52,519 I think that's pretty clear. I think, but again, she's 572 00:30:52,559 --> 00:30:57,039 such a intensely personal, private person that there wasn't really 573 00:30:57,039 --> 00:30:58,319 a ton of that throughout this book. 574 00:30:58,359 --> 00:31:01,480 Speaker 1: Now that's because you know that. That's again, if I 575 00:31:01,599 --> 00:31:03,440 was to interview, those are the kinds of things I 576 00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:05,799 would really like, do you do you ever watch TV? 577 00:31:05,839 --> 00:31:07,640 And if you do, what shows do you like? Or 578 00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:10,240 do you like what do you watch reality TV? Like 579 00:31:10,799 --> 00:31:12,880 all those kinds of things. And I mean, sometimes when 580 00:31:13,279 --> 00:31:14,400 what's that, well. 581 00:31:14,279 --> 00:31:16,279 Speaker 2: I would say, I I have a book in front 582 00:31:16,279 --> 00:31:18,599 of me, and she she talks about she she likes 583 00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:21,599 fine art, she likes to go to museums. She strikes 584 00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:24,640 me as a smarter person. People probably give her credit 585 00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:28,599 for the media seems to underestimate her and just about 586 00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:32,480 every aspect of her life. But yeah, I would her 587 00:31:32,519 --> 00:31:37,359 interest to me seeing like health, beauty, art, fashion, modeling, cars, 588 00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:41,880 and but I she might have talked about kind of 589 00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:45,680 music she liked for some reason, I wish I'd underlined 590 00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:47,960 the books. I'm not saying now, but I recall her 591 00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:50,400 talking about the music she would listen to with Donald 592 00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:52,799 when they first met, and the trips that they would take. 593 00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:58,319 And so yeah, I mean she's not this like boring 594 00:31:58,519 --> 00:32:00,599 robot of a person. The media it makes her out 595 00:32:00,599 --> 00:32:01,559 to be. She's just private. 596 00:32:02,319 --> 00:32:04,839 Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, I mean it is interesting you mentioned the 597 00:32:04,839 --> 00:32:06,519 car thing because it was it was that was something 598 00:32:06,599 --> 00:32:09,559 specifically mentioned the New York Times review was that she 599 00:32:10,039 --> 00:32:13,279 really enjoyed the smell of the leather that of the 600 00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:16,759 maserati her dad had purchased. I think that was. Wasn't 601 00:32:16,799 --> 00:32:18,799 that something that he bought a maserati and. 602 00:32:18,799 --> 00:32:20,240 Speaker 2: She liked the leathers accurate? 603 00:32:21,839 --> 00:32:24,839 Speaker 1: All right, well, we're running out of time. This was fun. 604 00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:26,400 We got to pick another book for our next one. 605 00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:29,720 I guess we'll be picking some some terrible, miserable liberal 606 00:32:30,759 --> 00:32:33,720 to be reading either their memoir their book that you know, 607 00:32:34,039 --> 00:32:36,839 what we really should do is I mean we're we 608 00:32:36,839 --> 00:32:40,799 can discuss this offline. We really should read some media 609 00:32:40,839 --> 00:32:43,880 figure like you know, like a Joy Read book or 610 00:32:44,079 --> 00:32:50,799 that's idea, not a Rachel Maddow book, I think Brian Stelter. Yeah, yeah, okay, 611 00:32:50,799 --> 00:32:53,920 that's that's maybe a good one, Brian Steltz. But yeah, 612 00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:55,400 we need to read some like we don't need to 613 00:32:55,559 --> 00:32:58,839 because we've done now two political figures plus Millennia Trump. 614 00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:02,200 We need to read like some like hysterical like cave 615 00:33:02,279 --> 00:33:05,519 like MSNBC or CNN liberal and see how that goes, 616 00:33:05,519 --> 00:33:07,279 Does that sound good to you? Yeah? 617 00:33:07,319 --> 00:33:09,680 Speaker 2: And we yeah, we should actually invite some readers to 618 00:33:09,799 --> 00:33:12,359 if anyone has ideas of who we should read to 619 00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:15,119 show too, for sure, I'm just curious. 620 00:33:15,559 --> 00:33:17,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, email the show and again that email is 621 00:33:17,839 --> 00:33:20,759 radio at the Federalist dot com. But all right, Tristan, 622 00:33:20,839 --> 00:33:23,720 this was fun and all of you you've been listening 623 00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:27,400 to another edition of Federalist Radio Hour. I'm Eddie Scary. 624 00:33:28,039 --> 00:33:30,680 We'll be back soon with more. Until then, be lovers 625 00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:55,960 of freedom and anxious for the fray