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<v Speaker 1>Hello, everybody, Welcome back to history Impossible in twenty twenty six.

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<v Speaker 1>I know the previous episode, the penultimate episode, as I

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<v Speaker 1>was calling it, of the Muslim Nazi series, released at

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<v Speaker 1>a very beginning on the first of twenty twenty six,

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<v Speaker 1>but I recorded that a number of weeks earlier and

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<v Speaker 1>released it early for patrons, so a lot of people

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<v Speaker 1>were able to catch that before the year turned over.

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<v Speaker 1>Now by now, I hope the rest of you who

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<v Speaker 1>listened to this show at least with some regularity have

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<v Speaker 1>gotten through it. If not, I don't blame you. It

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<v Speaker 1>can take a while to get through almost six and

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<v Speaker 1>a half hours of material, I suppose, But yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>figured I would give you guys yet another special episode.

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<v Speaker 1>This one's serving as a sort of addendum to what

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<v Speaker 1>we talked about in the previous episode in the episode

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<v Speaker 1>known as the Hanshar about the so called Muslim Nazis,

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<v Speaker 1>and this one is a lot more modern in its

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<v Speaker 1>history and gets into something that I think is pretty

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<v Speaker 1>obviously a growing problem, particularly on the political right, at

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<v Speaker 1>least in the United States, on its fringes. I know

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<v Speaker 1>that fringes don't necessarily matter all that much when it

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<v Speaker 1>comes to kitchen table issues. But you know, this isn't

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<v Speaker 1>a political podcast. This is a historical podcast that gets

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<v Speaker 1>into political topics, and in this particular case, I think

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<v Speaker 1>it fits for me to be talking about this growing

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<v Speaker 1>trend and where it arguably comes from, or at least

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<v Speaker 1>in part comes from, and it matches really well with

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<v Speaker 1>what we just covered in the Muslim Nazi series so far. Again,

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<v Speaker 1>we still have one more full episode of that series

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<v Speaker 1>coming hopefully sooner rather than later, but I've learned not

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<v Speaker 1>to make promises about that before we get into the

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<v Speaker 1>episode today. I want to thank everyone as always for

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<v Speaker 1>and let's get into some impossible history.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll let me to tell you what you would have

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<v Speaker 2>seen and heard.

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<v Speaker 3>If we're not being pleasant listening, if you were at lunch,

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<v Speaker 3>or if you have no appetite.

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<v Speaker 4>Now is a good time to switch off the radio.

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<v Speaker 3>An ancestor of mine maintaine that if you eliminate the impossible,

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<v Speaker 3>whatever remains, however improbable. Banji, I wish I could say

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<v Speaker 3>tonight that a lasting piece is insight.

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<v Speaker 5>I alating dream, I feel a laughing like.

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<v Speaker 1>If we hear for essure to.

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<v Speaker 4>Gil, if we care for kill. Some say the world

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<v Speaker 4>will end empire. Some say anie.

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<v Speaker 6>From what I've tasted of desire, I hold.

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<v Speaker 7>Of those of favor fire.

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<v Speaker 6>But if it had to perish twice, I think I

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<v Speaker 6>know m of of hate to say.

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<v Speaker 8>That for destruction, ice is also great and look sufficed.

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<v Speaker 7>This is history or possible.

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<v Speaker 1>Mankind today is on the brink of a precipice. Not

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<v Speaker 1>because of the danger of complete annihilation which is hanging

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<v Speaker 1>over its head, this being just a symptom and not

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<v Speaker 1>the real disease, but because humanity is devoid of those

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<v Speaker 1>vital values which are necessary not only for its healthy

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<v Speaker 1>development but also for its real progress. Even the Western

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<v Speaker 1>world realizes that Western civilization is unable to present any

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<v Speaker 1>healthy values for the guidance of mankind. The leadership of

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<v Speaker 1>mankind by any Western man is now on the decline.

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<v Speaker 1>Not because Western culture has become poor materially or because

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<v Speaker 1>its economic and military power has become weak. The period

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<v Speaker 1>of the Western system has come to an end primarily

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<v Speaker 1>because it is deprived of those life giving values which

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<v Speaker 1>enabled it to be the leader of mankind. Sayid Kutub,

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<v Speaker 1>you are dying. I see in you all the characteristic

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<v Speaker 1>stigma of decay. I can prove to you that your

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<v Speaker 1>great wealth and your great poverty, your capitalism and your socialism,

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<v Speaker 1>your wars and your revolutions, your atheism and your pessimism,

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<v Speaker 1>and your cynicism, your immorality, your broken down marriages, your

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<v Speaker 1>birth control that is bleeding you from the bottom and

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<v Speaker 1>killing you off at the top. In your brains, I

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<v Speaker 1>can prove to you that those were the characteristic marks

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<v Speaker 1>of the dying ages of ancient states Alexandria and Greece,

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<v Speaker 1>and neurotic Rome. Oswald Spengler, Dear Hitler, I welcome you

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<v Speaker 1>back with all my heart. You have been defeated, but

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<v Speaker 1>in fact one should regard you as the real victor.

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<v Speaker 1>There will be no place in the world until Germany

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<v Speaker 1>again takes first place. Your principal mistake was opening too

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<v Speaker 1>many fronts. But everything is forgiven, for you are a

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<v Speaker 1>shining example of belief in one's fatherland and people. You

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<v Speaker 1>are eternal, and we shall not be surprised if we

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<v Speaker 1>see you again. On Marl Sadat on the eve of

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<v Speaker 1>his controversial election as mayor of New York City, Zornmumdani

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<v Speaker 1>had his fair share of critics. It is safe to say,

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<v Speaker 1>and he still does having been inaugurated. While some criticisms

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<v Speaker 1>had more to do with his inability to sufficiently distance

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<v Speaker 1>himself from his more inflammatory and just plain dumb previous

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<v Speaker 1>comments and performances, as well as his supposedly planned policies,

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<v Speaker 1>there was a common thread with some conservative and right

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<v Speaker 1>wing commentators and critics of his namely that Mamdani was

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<v Speaker 1>not just a socialist but a closet Islamist or a Jihati.

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<v Speaker 1>Even figures as prominent as Aonhirsi Ali, herself a strident

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<v Speaker 1>and longtime critic of Islamism and even Islam itself, were

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<v Speaker 1>more than willing to claim that Mamdani was quote an

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<v Speaker 1>Islamist clad in socialist garb unquote, as Ali stated on

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<v Speaker 1>her ex page. Figures like Sequoia partner Sean MacGuire what

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<v Speaker 1>even further earlier on in twenty twenty five, claiming that

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<v Speaker 1>quote Mamdani comes from a culture that lies about everything unquote,

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<v Speaker 1>because quote it's literally a virtue to lie if it

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<v Speaker 1>advances his Islamists agenda unquote, echoing what I would consider

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<v Speaker 1>at least simplistic claims of Takaya that are often quoted

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<v Speaker 1>by drive by critics of Islam. This kind of commentary

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<v Speaker 1>prompted a lot of criticism, including from opponents of Mamdani,

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<v Speaker 1>mostly because it was largely seen as missing the point

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<v Speaker 1>to essentially use the words of the New York Post

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<v Speaker 1>editorial board when they stated on July second, twenty twenty five,

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<v Speaker 1>not to quote unquote, go down the Islamist rabbit hole.

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<v Speaker 1>Socialism is what makes Mamdani toxic unquote. And this is

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<v Speaker 1>to say nothing of a lot of these claims being

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<v Speaker 1>completely inaccurate factually speaking, and arguably even Islamophobic at least

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<v Speaker 1>in the case of Maguire's commentary rather than Ali's. Now however,

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<v Speaker 1>ultimately untethered from reality, this fear of a leftist Islamist

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<v Speaker 1>blob monster was it was actually pretty understandable, especially from

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<v Speaker 1>figures like Ayon heir Cili who have been on the

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<v Speaker 1>proverbial Islamism be for so long and having literally survived

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<v Speaker 1>its assaults. As Satanan Dume at The Wall Street Journal

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<v Speaker 1>pointed out in response to these claims of Mundani's plan

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<v Speaker 1>to quote establish a caliphate on the Hudson unquote, there

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<v Speaker 1>is a troubling synergy that has been seen and that

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<v Speaker 1>I've even talked about with Islamists and far left activists,

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<v Speaker 1>particularly when it comes to the issue of Israel, and

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<v Speaker 1>often Jews in general, though usually with the Zionist filter

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<v Speaker 1>lane over everything. Now this has become very well covered territory,

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<v Speaker 1>especially in the wake of the campus and street protests

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<v Speaker 1>against alleged genocide preemptively launched while the bodies from the

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<v Speaker 1>October seventh, twenty twenty three program were still warm. It's

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<v Speaker 1>even reignited a fair bit given events in Iran in

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<v Speaker 1>which we're either looking at another Tianum and Square situation

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<v Speaker 1>or possibly a second Iranian revolution as of this recording.

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<v Speaker 1>It's very hard to say, but it definitely has revealed

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<v Speaker 1>the ideological confluences and inconsistencies one could say, between Islamists

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<v Speaker 1>and leftists, but the willingness to make common cause, however incoherent.

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<v Speaker 1>Now this alliance, if we want to call it that,

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<v Speaker 1>has even gotten serious academic and think tank treatment, with

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<v Speaker 1>report from the National Consortium for the Study of Terrorism

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<v Speaker 1>and Responses to Terrorism being published in the journal Terrorism

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<v Speaker 1>and Political Violence as far back as twenty thirteen that

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<v Speaker 1>covers this phenomenon, and like I mentioned earlier, even I

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<v Speaker 1>as many of you listening, no doubt remember, have taken

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<v Speaker 1>a stab at explaining elements of the I guess we'll

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<v Speaker 1>call it the newest incarnation of this alliance via the

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<v Speaker 1>soft imperialist strategy employed by Islamist groups calling it their

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<v Speaker 1>velvet gie Hod, as well as if you remember discussing

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<v Speaker 1>the concept with Spikes Brendan O'Neil. However, I will defer

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<v Speaker 1>to the renowned British Israeli historian Robert Wistrich in summarizing

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<v Speaker 1>both of the contradictions, the shared values and ultimately the

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<v Speaker 1>overall obsessions in what he calls the red Green Axis

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<v Speaker 1>in his massive Tone, a lethal obsession anti Semitism from

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<v Speaker 1>antiquity to the global Gihad, where he writes the following quote.

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<v Speaker 1>Islamists may sharply disagree with their far left allies about feminism, homosexuality, religion, secularism,

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<v Speaker 1>and the validity of socialist ideals, but they share a

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<v Speaker 1>common anti Western, anti globalist, and anti Zionist agenda. Radical

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<v Speaker 1>Islamists are not, of course interested in the traditional class

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<v Speaker 1>struggle of the proletariat, but like the far left, they

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<v Speaker 1>hate America, revel in the myth of a Jewish world

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<v Speaker 1>conspiracy and are determined to eliminate Israel. Palestine is the

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<v Speaker 1>issue where their cooperation with the left is most harmonious.

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<v Speaker 1>In Britain, as in France, the anti globalist left and

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<v Speaker 1>the Islamic fundamentalists also share a common rejection of liberal

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<v Speaker 1>modernity and the entire Enlightenment project. Yet ironically both want

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<v Speaker 1>to globalize the Middle East conflict, demanding humanitarian intervention by

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<v Speaker 1>the wicked Western imperialists if only to stop Israel, while

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<v Speaker 1>at the same time threatening it with UN and EU sanctions.

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<v Speaker 1>Nowhere is the morbid emotionalism and self indulgence of a

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<v Speaker 1>victim centered culture more palpable than in the pro Palestinian

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<v Speaker 1>partisanship of the International Solidarity movement. To simplify that into

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<v Speaker 1>the parlance of our times, we could say it is

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<v Speaker 1>without question that even now, despite all the complications arising

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<v Speaker 1>from the current potential second revolution in Iran, the Palestine

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<v Speaker 1>issue has become the omni cause for what passes as

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<v Speaker 1>the left in the West in recent years, with the

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<v Speaker 1>only globebization they seem to support seeming to be the

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<v Speaker 1>so called decolonialization struggle. Even Zora Mamdani himself made this

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<v Speaker 1>clear when back in twenty twenty three, while speaking on

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<v Speaker 1>a panel called Socialist Internationalism the Solution to the Crisis

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<v Speaker 1>of Capitalism, he claimed the following quote. For anyone to

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<v Speaker 1>care about these issues, we have to make them hyper low.

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<v Speaker 9>We have to make them hyper We have to make

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<v Speaker 9>clear that when the food of the mipe is on

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<v Speaker 9>your neck, it's been laced by the idea. If we

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<v Speaker 9>have to make not specifically that example, all the time,

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<v Speaker 9>just to say that for working class people who have

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<v Speaker 9>very little time, who have so many stresses, who are

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<v Speaker 9>under so many pressures, there isn't that much time for symbolism.

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<v Speaker 9>We have to make it materially connected to their life.

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<v Speaker 9>And I think that what an opportunity we have is

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<v Speaker 9>that we are in a country where those connections abound.

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<v Speaker 1>Clearly, when your chosen method of highlighting the alleged injustices

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<v Speaker 1>hence an omni cause. And given what active opposition to

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<v Speaker 1>marriage of values, that of functionally supporting a theocratic terrorist

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<v Speaker 1>government and social progressivism, is built upon moral contradictions that

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<v Speaker 1>have also been well covered territory, including again by yours

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<v Speaker 1>October seventh, this has perhaps understandably overshadowed the story of

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<v Speaker 1>In fact, as undeniable as it has become that there

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<v Speaker 1>Far from claiming that there were some shadowy backroom deals

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<v Speaker 1>In other words, del Vallier was taking note where there

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<v Speaker 1>are usually divergent values overlapped, similar to Robert Wistrich's read

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<v Speaker 1>As del Valler writes, quote, it is evident that is Islamism,

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<v Speaker 1>the third totalitarianism after Nazism and Communism, echoes to a

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<v Speaker 1>struggle of civilizations and religions, then declaring war on the

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<v Speaker 1>Hammer and Sickle determined to come to blows with the

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<v Speaker 1>following quote from the outset, One asks oneself, what could

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<v Speaker 1>Reds atheist and materialists, the Greens, theocrats and Islamists, and

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<v Speaker 1>the third totalitarianism to come about, but is also equally

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<v Speaker 1>in a number of points, the inherited unifier of the

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<v Speaker 1>simply a religious fundamentalism, but also and above all, a

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<v Speaker 1>subversive revolutionary totalitarianism, an ideology of mass destruction comparable to Nazism, Maoism,

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<v Speaker 1>or Stalinism. This green fascism prolongs the anterior totalitarianisms. What

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<v Speaker 1>the historical totalitarian hatreds, a theological justification and a divine Benediction,

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<v Speaker 1>whether it concerns the Lebanese Hezbalah, Palestinian Hamas, the Alcatic combatants,

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<v Speaker 1>or the Iraqian Palestinian resistors, it must be recognized that

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<v Speaker 1>in the marketplace of globe revolution, the Islamists and the

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<v Speaker 1>Arab Muslim Moujacchedeen in general are the most effective and

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<v Speaker 1>ferocious adversaries of quote unquote Israeli American imperialism. They are

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<v Speaker 1>colonialist and capitalist powers, whom the Reds and the Browns

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<v Speaker 1>avenging Islamism leading the assault on the capitalist democracies and

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<v Speaker 1>the Judeo crusader forces. Knows now such an ascension throughout

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<v Speaker 1>An ascension facilitated by the planetary and unprecedented mediatization which

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<v Speaker 1>that is pro Arab and third worldist. This new revolutionary,

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<v Speaker 1>very implanetary hatred henceforth seduces the latest anti Jewish and

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<v Speaker 1>anti American militants of the extreme radical right. Daviller has

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<v Speaker 1>more to say about the formation of this alleged unholy alliance,

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<v Speaker 1>but in short, when one examines the contours of the

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<v Speaker 1>radical ideologies that inflame so much of modern political discourse,

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<v Speaker 1>one begins to realize that the supposed contradictions within these

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<v Speaker 1>of the world. More with one another can come later.

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<v Speaker 1>In the meantime, they all have the same enemy, and

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<v Speaker 1>just as radical leftists and revolutionary Marxist Leninists can leave

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<v Speaker 1>aside their supposedly progressive social values and supposedly secular worldview

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<v Speaker 1>to make common cause with theocratic Islamists, their many radical

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<v Speaker 1>right and self styled neo fascist dissidents who have just

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<v Speaker 1>of defeating their shared enemies. Though there is almost always

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<v Speaker 1>a single shared enemy at the center of this radical nexus,

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<v Speaker 1>the question of this shared enemy is not a mystery

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<v Speaker 1>for well over a century, and arguably far longer if

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<v Speaker 1>one looks at theological developments across time. To name this

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<v Speaker 1>shared hatred has become unfortunately a bit of a cliche

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<v Speaker 1>at this point, and one destined to fall on deaf ears,

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<v Speaker 1>but for clarity's sake, it does need to be stated.

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<v Speaker 1>It is a hatred, or perhaps more commonly, chronic distrust

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<v Speaker 1>of Jews. It could be said that the skeleton key

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<v Speaker 1>for radicals and radicalism is the Jew, the eternal Jew,

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<v Speaker 1>as Joseph Gerbels might have put it, thanks to his

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<v Speaker 1>rejection of Christ or the prophet Mohammed, thanks to his

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<v Speaker 1>murder of Gentile children, thanks to his stateless cosmopolitanism, and

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<v Speaker 1>now thanks to his state sanctioned genocide, all of the

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<v Speaker 1>things that you've probably heard various figures on the far

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<v Speaker 1>of years. The Jew has always been framed as the outsider,

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<v Speaker 1>often been targeted. This is why it is a mistake,

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<v Speaker 1>we're about to discuss explaining the following quote. What unites

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<v Speaker 1>these audiences isn't ideology so much as a way of seeing.

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<v Speaker 1>In this world of theirs, nothing happens by accident. Every war, election,

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<v Speaker 1>or scandal confirms the existence of an unseen hand. The

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<v Speaker 1>more elaborate the theory, the more convincing it feels. The current

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<v Speaker 1>peddlers of this theory didn't invent this pattern. They inherited

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<v Speaker 1>and updated it into a modern vernacular of globalist plots,

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<v Speaker 1>unipolar elites, and foreign lobbies. The content changes, but the

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<v Speaker 1>on lies. Yet most people, including many Jews, still describe

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<v Speaker 1>antisemitism as anti Jewish racism. That mistake is fatal. Racism

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<v Speaker 1>begins with emotion. Anti Semitism begins with explanation, its logic

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<v Speaker 1>as counterfeit, but it poses as reason all the same.

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<v Speaker 1>This confusion has deep roots. After the Civil Rights era,

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<v Speaker 1>hate became the moral grammar through which all prejudice was understood.

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<v Speaker 1>Jewish institutions eager to speak that language adopted at wholesale.

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<v Speaker 1>Once anti Semitism was redefined as an emotional or linguistic offense,

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<v Speaker 1>its conspiracy core was buried under tropes. In that bucket,

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<v Speaker 1>the falsehoods that launched pograms and genocides, blood libel, world

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<v Speaker 1>Jewish control were lumped together with trivial stereotypes. The result

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<v Speaker 1>was a flattening of meaning. Even the International Holocaust Remembrance

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<v Speaker 1>Alliance as official definition adopted by governments and many Jewish groups,

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<v Speaker 1>reflects this collapse. It's warning against mendacious, dehumanizing or demonizing

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<v Speaker 1>allegations about Jews treats antisemitism as a moral failure rather

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<v Speaker 1>than an epistemic one. Indeed, the more I have learned

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<v Speaker 1>about antisemitism throughout history, the less it has appeared to

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<v Speaker 1>me to be some strained social construct akin to racism,

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<v Speaker 1>and more like something of a tradition. This is a

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<v Speaker 1>tradition of conspiracy theory, and conspiracy theories are the bedrock

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<v Speaker 1>of radicalism. Whether we're describing religious or secular radicalism, left

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<v Speaker 1>or right doesn't matter. Anti Semitism is the bigotry that

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<v Speaker 1>comes in with grand post talk justifications, rather than a

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<v Speaker 1>bigotry that forms them on the fly. There is, in

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<v Speaker 1>other words, a relatively robust internal logic to anti Semitism,

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<v Speaker 1>creating a vastly more powerful permission structure than your traditional

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<v Speaker 1>colorist racism that we still occasionally see in the West.

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<v Speaker 1>It's connection, that is, anti Semitism's connection to social and

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen thirty three, reveals its durability across time and ideology,

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<v Speaker 1>and thus helps explain its frequent role and unifying seemingly

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<v Speaker 1>desperate ideologies in creating this red green, brown alliance described

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<v Speaker 1>perhaps doth protesting too much, and as stated before, much

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<v Speaker 1>more can be and has been said about the Red

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<v Speaker 1>Green Alliance of late. However, the brown prong of what

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<v Speaker 1>del Valler called the convergence of totalitarianisms has gotten, in

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<v Speaker 1>my opinion and at least far less play, far too

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<v Speaker 1>little play as far as critical commentary goes. There are

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<v Speaker 1>many possible reasons for this, but it likely lies at

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<v Speaker 1>the core of why there are so many people who

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<v Speaker 1>might still be scoffing at the idea of a red

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<v Speaker 1>Green alliance. It just seems too outlandish to assume that

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<v Speaker 1>the Western radical right could ever possibly see eye to

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<v Speaker 1>eye with Islamists on anything. And yet, as we will see,

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<v Speaker 1>there is a robust history that shows precisely the opposite.

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<v Speaker 6>God Because I worry about you guys. It's not the

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<v Speaker 6>criticism I't care about it's about you. I will literally post,

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<v Speaker 6>Oh look, Chernoble's leaking again.

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<v Speaker 4>We've got a problem. Roh.

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<v Speaker 6>Look, it's like, why are you shore up for Jews?

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<v Speaker 6>Or oh man, this hurricane sure devastated this area. Please

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<v Speaker 6>donate Jews. Oh you know, look, the Muslim Brotherhood is

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<v Speaker 6>celebrating the murder you Jews.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, why are you? Why are you?

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<v Speaker 6>Why do you care about them Jews? Well, hey, I

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<v Speaker 6>don't want to kill the Jews, and b the Muslims

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<v Speaker 6>want to kill all the Christians too.

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<v Speaker 4>You have dambasses.

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<v Speaker 6>So there's a lot of right winger popular It's not

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<v Speaker 6>a lot, but it's a big minority that literally love Islam.

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<v Speaker 6>They all kissy kissy fishy all over the internet, and

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<v Speaker 6>they have joint symposiums together and they talk about the

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<v Speaker 6>you know, national white alliance with Islam. You guys are idiot, absolutely,

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<v Speaker 6>I'm explay you like this like you're five years old. Well,

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<v Speaker 6>you won't even know what it is though, to you,

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<v Speaker 6>fake nationalists, fake Christian patriots.

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<v Speaker 1>The timeline almost certainly begins even earlier. But I think

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<v Speaker 1>it is safe to say that twenty twenty five was

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<v Speaker 1>the year that the pundit Tucker Carlson's fixations became far

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<v Speaker 1>too obvious to ignore. Summarizing all of it would take

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<v Speaker 1>an entire podcast or a multi hour YouTube documentary in

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<v Speaker 1>and of itself, and I'm sure those things are probably coming,

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<v Speaker 1>if they haven't already been released. But I want to

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<v Speaker 1>provide a little bit of context, and I think the

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<v Speaker 1>best way to do that is to let Hudson Institute

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<v Speaker 1>senior fellow Michael Dorin's lengthy explanation that he published in

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<v Speaker 1>Tablets suffice for that, where he wrote his follows quote

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<v Speaker 1>For commentators like Mark Twain, it was clear that Jewish

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<v Speaker 1>brains were an American national asset. Today's would be oracle

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<v Speaker 1>profess themselves to be less sure, seeing unequal results as

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<v Speaker 1>proof that the Jews are up to their old tricks

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<v Speaker 1>European style. Tucker Carlson, in his growing circle of populous broadcasters,

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<v Speaker 1>have learned that resentment towards the Jews sells. Many Americans

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<v Speaker 1>rightly suspect that unaccountable concentrations of power, bureaucracies, corporations, elite

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<v Speaker 1>networks have distorted public life and hollowed out institutions meant

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<v Speaker 1>to answer to the people. Carlson takes that legitimate suspicion

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<v Speaker 1>and fixes it on a single explanatory target. He does

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<v Speaker 1>not indict elites in general. He indicts the Jews. Carlson's

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<v Speaker 1>handling of the Jeffrey Epstein case is a revealing example

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<v Speaker 1>of his method, taking a wider critique of elites and

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<v Speaker 1>redirecting it towards the Jews. While letting his own kind

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<v Speaker 1>off the hook. For many Americans, Epstein has come to

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<v Speaker 1>symbolize a depraved elite that evades accountability while enforcing more

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<v Speaker 1>standards on others. His network spanned business, politics, academia, media,

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<v Speaker 1>and royalty figures such as Bill Gates, Bill Clinton, Prince Andrew,

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<v Speaker 1>and senior academics at institutions like Harvard University. It was

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<v Speaker 1>a world of power that operated by its own rules

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<v Speaker 1>outside the bounds of decency. Israelis were present in that

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<v Speaker 1>world as well, including one of their former prime ministers,

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<v Speaker 1>a hud Barak. In Carlson's telling, the Israelis are not

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<v Speaker 1>one group among many. They sit at the center as

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<v Speaker 1>the prime movers who direct these scandals toward their own

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<v Speaker 1>nefarious particular list ends with other, mainly Christian participants as

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<v Speaker 1>their dupes. During continues later in the essay, as follows,

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<v Speaker 1>placing Masad in the frame does more than allege foreign involvement.

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<v Speaker 1>It reorganizes responsibility. If Epstein ran a blackmail operation for

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<v Speaker 1>Israeli intelligence, then presidents, billion, academics, royalty and media figures

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<v Speaker 1>did not act independently. They answered to someone above them.

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<v Speaker 1>What begins as a story of elite corruption and depravity

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<v Speaker 1>then becomes the discovery of a hidden hand. Jews cease

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<v Speaker 1>to appear as participants in a decadent system and reappear

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<v Speaker 1>as its managers. Carlson updates the protocols of the Learned

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<v Speaker 1>Elders of Zion for the digital age. Dorin later lays

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<v Speaker 1>out Tucker Carlson's strategy and those shared by other online

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<v Speaker 1>jew obsessives like Candice Owans, that I think is also

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<v Speaker 1>worth putting a pin in to help illustrate how this

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<v Speaker 1>usually goes. As Dorin writes, quote, online populism thrives on

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<v Speaker 1>the claim that shadowy forces control public life and that

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<v Speaker 1>only a few brave figures dare to confront them. Jews

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<v Speaker 1>are prominent across media, law, finance, and culture. They are

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<v Speaker 1>easy to see. They are obviously successful as individuals, but

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<v Speaker 1>also voluble in their opposition to anti Semitic attack. When attacked,

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<v Speaker 1>they answer that combination visibility, professional leadership, and public responsiveness

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<v Speaker 1>creates the illusion that populist broadcasters crave of a vast

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<v Speaker 1>network that appears unified, powerful and threatening. Anti Semitic broadcasters

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<v Speaker 1>allege that a vast, shadowy Jewish network manipulates American politics

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<v Speaker 1>from behind the scenes, coordinating media, finance, and government to

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<v Speaker 1>enforce conformity. Jewish individuals and institutions respond, often rightly, naming

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<v Speaker 1>the charge as anti Semitic. The attacker then points to

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<v Speaker 1>that response as proof that the network actually exists. But

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<v Speaker 1>contrary to their public theatrics, the dangers of such activity

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<v Speaker 1>are minimal, at least to them. Jews are too few,

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<v Speaker 1>too politically divided, and too decentralized to exercise the kind

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<v Speaker 1>of coordinated power that these accusations imagine. There is no

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<v Speaker 1>zion as common turn to punish or murder dissenters outside

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<v Speaker 1>a narrow set of professional precincts, or anti Semitism still

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<v Speaker 1>carries severe cost, there is no real danger of losing work.

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<v Speaker 1>Yet the absence of real retaliation does not weaken the story,

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<v Speaker 1>it strengthens it. The broadcaster confronts a supposedly vast and

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<v Speaker 1>dangerous adversary, bears his breast upon the barricades, and descends

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<v Speaker 1>unharmed in full view of the public. The appearance of

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<v Speaker 1>courage is produced without the burden of risk. With all

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<v Speaker 1>of that said, it was therefore unsurprising that Tucker Carlson

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<v Speaker 1>would host the internet's most famous jew hater and Hitler

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<v Speaker 1>apparently also Stalin fan Nick Fuentes on his wildly popular

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<v Speaker 1>program in late October of twenty twenty five, some months back.

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<v Speaker 1>As of this recording, and this created what appears, as

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<v Speaker 1>of early twenty twenty six is still be something of

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<v Speaker 1>an ongoing fracture point within the American conservative movement. However

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<v Speaker 1>unified one might want to believe it actually is, and

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<v Speaker 1>that's interesting in and of itself and will warrant future

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<v Speaker 1>examination for sure, especially as it continues to swallow up

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<v Speaker 1>other very popular right leaning figures like Megan Kelly. However,

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<v Speaker 1>Carlson and by extension, Nick Fuentes, as seen in a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of their content, both provide an interesting window into

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<v Speaker 1>what this potential new Green Brown alliance may start to

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<v Speaker 1>look like if we are indeed witnessing its early days

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<v Speaker 1>and not just some kind of branding exercise or redirection strategy,

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<v Speaker 1>which are both possible explanations, but the pattern does exist,

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<v Speaker 1>and if we go back, for example, to an episode

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<v Speaker 1>of his program from May of twenty twenty five, Tucker

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<v Speaker 1>Carlson almost certainly trying to be provocative as a way

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<v Speaker 1>to criticize the American healthcare systems handling of the ongoing

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<v Speaker 1>opioid crisis. Claim that quote unquote, if you really want

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<v Speaker 1>to be red pilled, one should learn about the Taliban's

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<v Speaker 1>quote unquote faith based approach to drug rehabilitation.

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<v Speaker 10>You want to get really red pilled, look up Taliban

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<v Speaker 10>drug treatment. Ask yourself, super simple question. Is the Taliban

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<v Speaker 10>drug treatment program You can look this up there videos

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<v Speaker 10>of it. Upline does to produce a higher or lower

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<v Speaker 10>relapse rate than the American version in say Delray Beach, Florida.

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<v Speaker 10>And the answer is not just yes, but hell yes,

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<v Speaker 10>because they don't wean them off with methadone. This whole

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<v Speaker 10>thing is a freaking lie. By the way, a lot

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<v Speaker 10>of people get rich off that. You know who you

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<v Speaker 10>are if you're listening. Some of them are big political donors.

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<v Speaker 10>You get rich on drug treatment programs. Disgusting. It doesn't work.

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<v Speaker 10>It works for some small percentage, but it doesn't work

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<v Speaker 10>for most, that's for sure, and a lot of them

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<v Speaker 10>die and they never lead productive, joyful lives. And the

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<v Speaker 10>Taliban have a faith based I know I'm probably get

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<v Speaker 10>pulled off YouTube for saying this, but it's true. I'm

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<v Speaker 10>saying this is a Christian on a Muslim. They have

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<v Speaker 10>a faith based, no nonsense, zero intoxicant policy in their

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<v Speaker 10>rehab and it works in ours doesn't.

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<v Speaker 1>And while it has nothing to do with Islam in particular,

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<v Speaker 1>Carlson also seems to have developed an appreciation for what

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<v Speaker 1>are ultimately theocratic and medieval values lately. So just when

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<v Speaker 1>he praised the system of feudalism, again almost certainly trying

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<v Speaker 1>to be provocative, but also again giving us no reason

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<v Speaker 1>to think he doesn't actually think these things.

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<v Speaker 10>That's what I'm saying, because at that point they feel like, Okay,

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<v Speaker 10>we own this completely, so why rack it? It's our

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<v Speaker 10>house now?

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<v Speaker 11>Yes, And this is how you you know, again, this

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<v Speaker 11>is the classic principle of actually how you get a

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<v Speaker 11>king right, because they're generationally invested in the well being

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<v Speaker 11>of the land, they're ruling the people they're ruling, and

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<v Speaker 11>they have the power to control the outcomes there. So

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<v Speaker 11>if you actually care about that, if you're actually gonna benefit,

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<v Speaker 11>why not invest your control in actually producing a.

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<v Speaker 10>Better popcast completely grit. I mean, feudalism is so much

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<v Speaker 10>better than what we have now because at least in feudalism,

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<v Speaker 10>the leader is vested in and the prosperity of the

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<v Speaker 10>people he rules, right, you know, if all your serfs die,

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<v Speaker 10>you starve.

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<v Speaker 1>Similarly, a clip of Fwent has began circulating. Were several

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<v Speaker 1>people pain to have their super Chat comments read live

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<v Speaker 1>on his show, complained of him, that is Twente is

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<v Speaker 1>taking a soft view on Islam and Muslims, to which

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<v Speaker 1>he simply accused them of quote just wanting Muslim hate

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<v Speaker 1>or something unquote, and of being, of course Jews.

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<v Speaker 2>Muslims have been killing and raping Christians for one five

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<v Speaker 2>hundred years, including their prepubescent children, like Muhammad with nine

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<v Speaker 2>year old Aisha in the Quran. But you want even

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<v Speaker 2>call that satanic? Everything about Islam is Satanic. It's a

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<v Speaker 2>pedophile religion.

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<v Speaker 5>Okay, so you're just talking up. This is just like Jewish.

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<v Speaker 5>I've said repeatedly, Islam is a false religion. But you

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<v Speaker 5>just want Muslim hate or something. And I can only

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<v Speaker 5>think of one explanation. You sound like you're Jewish, though,

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<v Speaker 5>you sound like your crypto atheist jew line.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, putting aside these relatively minor comments salients to my

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<v Speaker 1>own observation on the Green Brown alliance, as well as

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<v Speaker 1>the question of whether or not Tucker Carlson or even

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<v Speaker 1>Nick Fuentes can be classified as traditionally brown. In this case,

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<v Speaker 1>that is fascist instead of just a garden variety in

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<v Speaker 1>cessant jew beater and traditional anti semi respectively. But if

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<v Speaker 1>one takes a more broad look at the wider paleoconservative

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<v Speaker 1>slash paleo libertarian commentator class that was essentially getting alluded

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<v Speaker 1>to by Dora in that piece I quoted earlier, one

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<v Speaker 1>can start to see a common thread.

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<v Speaker 12>What's Islam reacting to? Like why are so many young

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<v Speaker 12>men in Europe being drawn to Islam? The reason being

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<v Speaker 12>is because the void. It's the void. Nature abhors a vacuum.

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<v Speaker 12>And so you've had the churches in Europe, whether it

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<v Speaker 12>be the Catholic Church or the Protestant churches, they have

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<v Speaker 12>stripped themselves of true theology. And the Catholic Church in

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<v Speaker 12>Europe is as guilty as this of anyone else. You've

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<v Speaker 12>had this progressive, weak, wishy, washy liberal gospel being preached

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<v Speaker 12>by you know, every pastor under the sun. And then

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<v Speaker 12>you've got this religion which crops up, which shows affirmative action,

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<v Speaker 12>absolute strength. You know, these are the tenants which appeal

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<v Speaker 12>to young men, particularly in Europe and of course in

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<v Speaker 12>the Middle East, but you know, predominantly in Europe. And

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<v Speaker 12>so this is the key, you know, driving force is

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<v Speaker 12>the fact that theology, like Christianity in Europe, has been

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<v Speaker 12>stripped of its actual truth. It's an eternal truth.

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<v Speaker 13>What you're talking about is really just the absence of

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<v Speaker 13>authority and structure, and people actually crave that.

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<v Speaker 9>In the end.

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<v Speaker 13>It reminds me of when I host did Andrew Tate.

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<v Speaker 13>I want to say it was a couple of years ago,

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<v Speaker 13>maybe it was last year, but he similarly said I

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<v Speaker 13>pressed him on why he left Christianity, and the answer

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<v Speaker 13>he gave, which was very interesting for me to consider,

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<v Speaker 13>was be basically said, Christianity became weak and Christians don't

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<v Speaker 13>defend themselves, they allow people to disrespect Jesus Christ, and

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<v Speaker 13>how are people supposed to be drawn to something that

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<v Speaker 13>has been weak? And obviously startling upsetting to hear, but

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<v Speaker 13>he is echoing I think what you are what you

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<v Speaker 13>are speaking to, which is that there does need to

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<v Speaker 13>be a.

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<v Speaker 10>Return to a true or a single Western city that's thriving,

643
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<v Speaker 10>and they're all degrading in exactly the same way. It's

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<v Speaker 10>self hatred. People lose their will to live, their will

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<v Speaker 10>to pass on their culture, their values, their religion to

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<v Speaker 10>their children, their will to have children. There's just a

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<v Speaker 10>lack of self respect. I've noticed it because I travel

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<v Speaker 10>outside the Western world. The White world is amazing. You

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<v Speaker 10>go to the Gulf, and it's incredible to be in

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<v Speaker 10>a place that has pride in itself, that believes in

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<v Speaker 10>its religion and culture. People are happy, they're welcoming of others,

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<v Speaker 10>they're tolerant of diversity. There's none of that here. But

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<v Speaker 10>you go to a country like the Emirates or Qatar,

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<v Speaker 10>Saudi Arabia, and you see that when people are self confident,

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<v Speaker 10>when they're really pleased with what they're doing, and they

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<v Speaker 10>believe that their system is the right system, that self

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<v Speaker 10>confidence results in a welcoming attitude. You'll say I'm really

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<v Speaker 10>kind of pro Jesus, like I'm a Christian. They're like, oh,

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<v Speaker 10>that's so great. Well, they mean it. It's a country

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<v Speaker 10>governed by Sharia law where they're into things that I'm

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<v Speaker 10>not into, like polygamy or Islam. No one's forcing this

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<v Speaker 10>on me. I'm not mad at you. I can go

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<v Speaker 10>to a place like that, and I don't feel like

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<v Speaker 10>I need to judge everybody on their local customs. But

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<v Speaker 10>in the process of doing that, you get perspective on

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<v Speaker 10>your own society. Let's treat the people who run the

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<v Speaker 10>banks that people who are getting rich from usury like

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<v Speaker 10>the criminals they are, and make them suffer, because that's

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<v Speaker 10>totally fair. If you exploit and destroy people, you're not

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<v Speaker 10>a good person. And I think we should start by

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<v Speaker 10>getting collective actions. No, it's that the real danger is

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<v Speaker 10>Shia law. Sharia law, and you can tell when you

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<v Speaker 10>go to a place like Abu Dhabi or Riyad, like

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<v Speaker 10>oh Man. I hope we don't ever wind up with

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<v Speaker 10>a society like this with a rape rate of zero,

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<v Speaker 10>where you leave your keys in your Lamborghini and don't

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<v Speaker 10>ever worry about it being stolen. And you know, if

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<v Speaker 10>people want to get wasted, they do it at home,

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<v Speaker 10>you know what I mean. Yeah, boy, I hope we

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<v Speaker 10>don't wind up with that. Mm hmm, yeah, I think.

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<v Speaker 10>I mean, Sharia law is obviously just a punchline. I

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<v Speaker 10>don't know that too many people actually believe in the

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<v Speaker 10>reality of that. And I mean sure, like I said,

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<v Speaker 10>you know, I'm a lawyer I actually studied legal philosophy.

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<v Speaker 10>Sharia is not that different from other legal codes.

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<v Speaker 1>This is not to say that any of these figures

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<v Speaker 1>in this sort of loose affiliation, that any of these

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<v Speaker 1>people actually wants a theocratic Islamic state to replace our own.

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<v Speaker 1>I would wager most of them actually would not. The

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<v Speaker 1>same can also be said for most radical activists in

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<v Speaker 1>the Western left who functionally cape up for Hamas across

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<v Speaker 1>social media. At the end of the day, a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of this kind of stuff has much more to do

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<v Speaker 1>with signaling to other people within your in group, as

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<v Speaker 1>well as get attention from those on the outgroup. But

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<v Speaker 1>the thing is that does nothing to actually diminish the

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<v Speaker 1>significance of the very strange incarnations of ideological alliances that

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<v Speaker 1>pop up among Western radicals on the left and right,

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<v Speaker 1>and their strange connections to Islamism. Now, this common thread

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<v Speaker 1>is not surprising, because again, it is never really about

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<v Speaker 1>the actual cause believed in by one's allies. That's why

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<v Speaker 1>you get this weird sort of dissonance when you look

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<v Speaker 1>at these different ideologies, despite the fact that we can

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<v Speaker 1>see them in a lot of ways, in a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of times defending one another because what really is binding

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<v Speaker 1>all of these people together at various times and in

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<v Speaker 1>various ways, is simply one shared enemies. While the radical

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<v Speaker 1>Western left believes in a vague notion of decolonization, the

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<v Speaker 1>radical right believes in this vague notion of being anti war,

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<v Speaker 1>and the Islamist groups like Kizibier or Hamas believe in

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<v Speaker 1>a restoration of a caliphate or Islamic dominance over the

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<v Speaker 1>Holy Land, all very disparate standpoints, yet all three of

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<v Speaker 1>these groups essentially share the same enemies Israel and or

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<v Speaker 1>the Jews, which are rapidly becoming functionally synonymous as far

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<v Speaker 1>as I'm concerned, and almost always by extension, the United

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<v Speaker 1>States and the Western world in general, at least as

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<v Speaker 1>they currently exist. It is therefore not all that outlandish

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<v Speaker 1>to call the radicals on the western left and right

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<v Speaker 1>functional allies of Islamists, and just as the functional allyship

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<v Speaker 1>of various leftist groups has existed with Islamists for some time,

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<v Speaker 1>namely since the Iranian Revolution of nineteen seventy nine, though

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<v Speaker 1>the connection does go back a bit further than that

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<v Speaker 1>in some ways. But just as that has existed for

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<v Speaker 1>so long, so too has the allyship between radical right

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<v Speaker 1>wing groups and individuals and Islamist groups and individuals. Similar

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<v Speaker 1>to the radical Western left, the radical Western right does not,

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<v Speaker 1>at first glance, seem to be a good fit for

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<v Speaker 1>making common cause with Islamists. There's always a preternatural paranoia

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<v Speaker 1>about border security and even immigrants in general, to say

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<v Speaker 1>nothing of what often veers into Western chauvinism and outright racism.

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<v Speaker 1>And it discussed with all things foreign, with the people

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<v Speaker 1>of Islamic countries, often, though of course not exclusively, being

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<v Speaker 1>used as examples of who not to allow within Western borders.

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<v Speaker 1>And Yet, in his two thousand and six book The

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<v Speaker 1>Enemy of My Enemy, The Alarming Convergence of Militant Islam

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<v Speaker 1>and the Extreme Right, the political science scholar George Michael

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<v Speaker 1>explains that despite these tendencies of the Western radical right

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<v Speaker 1>and the tendencies of Islamists quote, they actually share some

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<v Speaker 1>strikingly similar characteristics. In continuing, Michael writes the following quote,

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<v Speaker 1>both movements evince a high degree of exclusivity as they

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<v Speaker 1>endeavor to create their own utopian versions of homogeneous societies. Moreover,

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<v Speaker 1>increasingly there is a meeting of the minds on several

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<v Speaker 1>important political issues. Oddly enough, one example is the cause

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<v Speaker 1>of Palestinian independence. The two also offer similar critiques of

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<v Speaker 1>American foreign policy in the Middle East, the American media, modernity, secularism,

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<v Speaker 1>and globalization. Finally, both movements see the United States government

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<v Speaker 1>as hopelessly under the control of Jews or Zionists, pursuing

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<v Speaker 1>policies that are at cross purposes with their own group interests.

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<v Speaker 1>The key, Michael argues for a meeting of the minds

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<v Speaker 1>between the far right and Islamists is finding potential vectors

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<v Speaker 1>for cooperation, particularly where perceived enemies overlap. In fact, according

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<v Speaker 1>to Michael, quote, perhaps the greatest potential unquote has to

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<v Speaker 1>do with that of my profession, that of history. More specifically,

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<v Speaker 1>the greatest potential for cooperation between the far right and

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<v Speaker 1>Islamists can be found within the phenomenon of historical revisionism,

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<v Speaker 1>particularly when it comes to events like World War Two

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<v Speaker 1>and the Holocaust, whose narratives figures like Tucker Carlson always

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<v Speaker 1>seem so keen to try and upend for whatever reason.

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<v Speaker 1>As Michael explains, quote, there are several reasons why the

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<v Speaker 1>prospect of cooperation between the historical revisionist segment of the

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<v Speaker 1>extreme right and militant Islam is strong. First, the racialism

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<v Speaker 1>in this segment tends to be muted and much less strident.

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<v Speaker 1>Rarely does one read claims about the racial superiority of

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<v Speaker 1>European derived peoples or the racial inferiority of other races. Furthermore,

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<v Speaker 1>non Europeans, such as Afro Caribbean scholar Tony Martin have

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<v Speaker 1>on occasion given lectures at revisionist conferences. Finally, there is

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<v Speaker 1>a great congruence of interest in this field of intellectual

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<v Speaker 1>endeavor because both militant Islam and revisionists are highly critical

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<v Speaker 1>of Zionism. While one can likely imagine several examples of

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<v Speaker 1>this convergence of interests, especially to the longer one spends

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<v Speaker 1>in right wing corners of X and other platforms like that,

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<v Speaker 1>one of the most infamous examples of far right anti

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<v Speaker 1>Zionism comes from a particularly notorious Swiss Holocaust denier named

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<v Speaker 1>Jugen Graf. Groff's first and most infamous book was The

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<v Speaker 1>Holocaust on Trial Eyewitness Accounts Versus Natural Laws, published in

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<v Speaker 1>the early nineteen nineties and co authored with fellow Holocaust

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<v Speaker 1>denier Carlo Montonio. Thanks to this work and many others

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<v Speaker 1>echoing similar themes. Groff was dismissed from his teaching position,

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<v Speaker 1>giving him further credibility as a persecuted person in the

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<v Speaker 1>eyes of the revisionist crowd, where he continued to thrive

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<v Speaker 1>until his death, actually just last year in twenty twenty five.

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<v Speaker 1>According to George Michael, who interviewed him for the Enemy

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<v Speaker 1>of My Enemy, Graf quote saw great potential for an

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<v Speaker 1>alliance with the Palestinians and their supporters, especially because any

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<v Speaker 1>effort to discredit accepted views of the Holocaust would undercut

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<v Speaker 1>the legitimacy of the State of Israel and, by extension,

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<v Speaker 1>the larger international community of Jews. Graf was indeed an

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<v Speaker 1>unrepentant anti Semite and a true Holocaust denier, not quote

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<v Speaker 1>unquote just a revisionist, though that is largely a distinction

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<v Speaker 1>without a difference in this particular context, of course, with

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<v Speaker 1>Groff claiming to Michael that quote, the quote unquote Holocaust

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<v Speaker 1>lie is but a rotten corpse unquote, just waiting to

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<v Speaker 1>be disproved, despite quote the fact that those who profit

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<v Speaker 1>from these myths control the education system plus the media

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<v Speaker 1>of the West unquote. While completely ostracized by mainstream historians,

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<v Speaker 1>review and claims like these. Understandably, Groff was able to

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<v Speaker 1>help organize a conference called Revisionism and Zionism slated to

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<v Speaker 1>occur in Beirut Lebanon in the summer of two thousand

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<v Speaker 1>and one. The event ended up being canceled at the

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<v Speaker 1>last minute, but it was spearheaded by the Institute for

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<v Speaker 1>Historical Review or IHR, probably the most infamous historical revisionism outfit,

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<v Speaker 1>thanks which frequent laundering of Holocaust denial. The IHR was

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<v Speaker 1>not content to simply distribute supposedly respectable pieces of Holocaust

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<v Speaker 1>denial skepticism, though they sought to form foreign alliances and

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<v Speaker 1>not just with fellow traveling European white supremacists. As Michael

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<v Speaker 1>explains in his book Quote, the IHR had interfaced with

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<v Speaker 1>Muslims in the past. Its director, Mark Webber, has been

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<v Speaker 1>interviewed numerous times on Iranian state Radio Islamic Republic of

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<v Speaker 1>Iran Broadcasting or IRIB. According to some accounts, Arabs were

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<v Speaker 1>among the first financial supporters of the IHR, just prior

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<v Speaker 1>to the founding of the IHR. It is believed that

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<v Speaker 1>the government of Saudi Arabia funded the Holocaust denier William N. Grimstad,

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<v Speaker 1>the author of the six Million Reconsidered, and on some

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<v Speaker 1>occasions Muslims have addressed IHR conferences, including Isa Nachle of

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<v Speaker 1>the World Muslim Congress quote. The IHR has long since

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<v Speaker 1>lost any luster it might have once had, and its

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<v Speaker 1>circulation of paid supporters was already in the four digit

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<v Speaker 1>range as of Michael's writing two decades ago. Nevertheless, the

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<v Speaker 1>revisionism link between elements of the far right and Islamism

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<v Speaker 1>continues to persist and has a rich tradition. Even the

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<v Speaker 1>very infamous German Canadian Holocaust denier Ernst Zundo, who was

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<v Speaker 1>appropriately helped in court by David Irving in the late

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen eighties, once commented that quote the poor Palestinians are

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<v Speaker 1>the most abused victims of this holocaust in quotes there

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<v Speaker 1>propaganda tool q quote. In modern times, however, the link

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<v Speaker 1>between the two worldviews goes beyond mere shared interests in

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<v Speaker 1>denying or downplaying the Holocaust and even becomes more specifically

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<v Speaker 1>wedded to current events. This became especially clear following the

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<v Speaker 1>Pogram of October seventh, twenty twenty three, as reported by

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<v Speaker 1>Catherine Kanely and Zoe Mansei in their paper Hate United

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<v Speaker 1>Neo Nazi accelerationist support for Hamas. There were a number

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<v Speaker 1>of far right accelerationists, that is, people who wish to

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<v Speaker 1>speed along the destruction of modern societies so a newer,

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<v Speaker 1>supposedly better utopia can be born from the ashes. These

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<v Speaker 1>far right accelerationists were on telegram and they quote believe

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<v Speaker 1>they share commonalities with Hamas and consider the Israel Hamas

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<v Speaker 1>conflict to be an opportunity to radicalize, recruit, and inspire

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<v Speaker 1>violence against the Jewish community unquote, going so far as

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<v Speaker 1>to share what they believe are Israel's critical infrastructure details

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<v Speaker 1>for Hamas's consumption on telegram. This is not actually that outlandish.

841
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<v Speaker 1>Telegram was used by Hamas during the October seventh pogrom.

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<v Speaker 1>That is where they posted all those ghastly videos that

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<v Speaker 1>I unfortunately have seen, but I think a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>other people have too. Kenneli and Manzi also report that quote.

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<v Speaker 1>One of the analyzed channels shared details on Israel based substations,

846
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<v Speaker 1>including specific location coordinates. One neo Nazi accelerationist channel, now disabled,

847
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<v Speaker 1>posted a guide on how to sabotage electrical substations in Israel,

848
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<v Speaker 1>which included an open infrared map of electrical substation sites

849
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<v Speaker 1>in Israel and read if America can shut down with

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<v Speaker 1>nine substations as a large scale country, imagine Israel as

851
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<v Speaker 1>it is a short scale country unquote. So this isn't

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<v Speaker 1>just a relic of the past. These functional alliances still

853
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<v Speaker 1>do seem to exist in more meaningful ways, even than

854
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<v Speaker 1>contrarian pundits trying to get views and come up with

855
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<v Speaker 1>the edgiest way to make their case. In a way,

856
00:56:59.320 --> 00:57:02.559
<v Speaker 1>it is unsupp rising that accelerationists sees something to admire

857
00:57:02.599 --> 00:57:06.199
<v Speaker 1>in Hamas. Back in two thousand and six, George Michael

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00:57:06.239 --> 00:57:09.639
<v Speaker 1>pointed out accurately that quote. Since the nineteen eighties, the

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<v Speaker 1>extreme right has evolved from a movement characterized by ultra

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<v Speaker 1>patriotism to one increasingly characterized by nihilism. With that in mind, Hamas,

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<v Speaker 1>it has been accurately stated by many, is a death

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<v Speaker 1>cult and has described themselves as loving death more than

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00:57:26.480 --> 00:57:29.599
<v Speaker 1>the rest of us love life. That's very well covered territory.

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<v Speaker 1>So it is not hard to imagine how a hyper

865
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<v Speaker 1>privileged and sufferably bitter Western radical yearning for an apocalypse

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<v Speaker 1>of the modern world could find something admirable and one

867
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<v Speaker 1>of the most barbarically nihilistic organizations on the planet. Indeed,

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<v Speaker 1>to go back to the commentary from Keneli and Mansy,

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<v Speaker 1>they make it clear that quote, intergroup support is not

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<v Speaker 1>rooted in a common religious or cultural ideology, but rather

871
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<v Speaker 1>in uniting against a common enemy, the Jews and the

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<v Speaker 1>corrupt West unquote, and that accelerationists are fans of Hamas's tactics,

873
00:58:03.440 --> 00:58:06.639
<v Speaker 1>suggesting quote that their guerrilla style warfare is worthy of

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<v Speaker 1>adoption and should be implemented by accelerationists in the United

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<v Speaker 1>States unquote, despite different ultimate visions of the world they

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<v Speaker 1>wish to see. The researchers found that, without question, quote,

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00:58:20.039 --> 00:58:23.719
<v Speaker 1>both ideology and methodology are the spotlight as areas of

878
00:58:23.719 --> 00:58:27.679
<v Speaker 1>potential convergence unquote for Islamist terror groups like Hamas and

879
00:58:27.800 --> 00:58:31.039
<v Speaker 1>far right terror groups and individuals in the West. Again,

880
00:58:31.639 --> 00:58:34.880
<v Speaker 1>shared hatred is often all that is needed to forget

881
00:58:34.920 --> 00:58:40.360
<v Speaker 1>diverging visions of the future. However, there have been figures

882
00:58:40.360 --> 00:58:43.119
<v Speaker 1>in the far right who have gone even deeper with

883
00:58:43.239 --> 00:58:46.960
<v Speaker 1>finding common cause with Islamists, going so far as to

884
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<v Speaker 1>exhibit outright islamophilia. The most famous recent example of this

885
00:58:52.280 --> 00:58:56.199
<v Speaker 1>phenomenon was actually the streamer Sneako, who converted to Islam

886
00:58:56.239 --> 00:58:58.880
<v Speaker 1>in twenty twenty three but has been fashioning himself a

887
00:58:58.920 --> 00:59:03.679
<v Speaker 1>far right provocateurl or for some time. However, a less

888
00:59:03.679 --> 00:59:07.599
<v Speaker 1>famous but far more significant figure serves as what George

889
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<v Speaker 1>Micah refers to as the Islamic national socialist synthesis of

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<v Speaker 1>our modern era. That figure's name is David Myatt, and

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<v Speaker 1>his is a fascinating story.

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01:00:01.519 --> 01:00:04.559
<v Speaker 14>But the man whose ideas had more influence than most

893
01:00:04.599 --> 01:00:11.320
<v Speaker 14>on Copeland was David Myatt from Worcestershire, the nsm's first leader,

894
01:00:11.920 --> 01:00:15.920
<v Speaker 14>the intellectual who shaped the ideas propelling Copeland on his

895
01:00:16.079 --> 01:00:20.400
<v Speaker 14>road to terrorism, A man who once said the Nazi

896
01:00:20.559 --> 01:00:25.159
<v Speaker 14>movement needed people prepared to get their hands dirty and

897
01:00:25.280 --> 01:00:29.119
<v Speaker 14>perhaps spill some blood.

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<v Speaker 15>Mister Myatt, we're from the BBC, We're from Panorama. I

899
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<v Speaker 15>wanted to ask you some questions about the NSM and

900
01:00:34.840 --> 01:00:36.840
<v Speaker 15>David Copeland, the London nail bomber.

901
01:00:36.960 --> 01:00:38.119
<v Speaker 8>Don't have no comment to me.

902
01:00:38.599 --> 01:00:39.719
<v Speaker 11>You called for the.

903
01:00:39.800 --> 01:00:42.960
<v Speaker 15>Creation of racial tension and that's exactly what Copeland did.

904
01:00:43.480 --> 01:00:47.079
<v Speaker 15>You inspired Copeland indirectly to do what he did.

905
01:00:47.159 --> 01:00:49.039
<v Speaker 11>No comment about anything to do with us.

906
01:00:49.280 --> 01:00:51.760
<v Speaker 15>But two years ago, when you were head of the

907
01:00:51.880 --> 01:00:55.159
<v Speaker 15>NSM was calling for the creation of racial terror with

908
01:00:55.719 --> 01:00:58.440
<v Speaker 15>what no comment to make about the past, as I said,

909
01:00:58.679 --> 01:01:02.599
<v Speaker 15>and as well comment doesn't that make it clear that

910
01:01:02.679 --> 01:01:05.840
<v Speaker 15>you are accepting some responsibility. No comment to make about

911
01:01:05.880 --> 01:01:11.079
<v Speaker 15>responsibility and anything to do with that, any guilt. What

912
01:01:11.159 --> 01:01:12.840
<v Speaker 15>I feel is between me and God.

913
01:01:13.119 --> 01:01:14.480
<v Speaker 4>It's nothing to be made public.

914
01:01:14.519 --> 01:01:15.559
<v Speaker 11>It is a private matter.

915
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<v Speaker 1>David Mayatt's strange position within the far right influencer network

916
01:01:21.320 --> 01:01:24.719
<v Speaker 1>is made most apparent by his writings appearing on the

917
01:01:24.719 --> 01:01:28.639
<v Speaker 1>website for the Arian Nations Ministry of Islamic Liaison, whose

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<v Speaker 1>stated goal is to establish quote solidarity to the bona

919
01:01:32.239 --> 01:01:35.119
<v Speaker 1>fide adherents of Islam and the Arabic world and abroad

920
01:01:35.360 --> 01:01:40.079
<v Speaker 1>unquote in their own words. Mayatt is less known outside

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01:01:40.119 --> 01:01:43.360
<v Speaker 1>of the UK, where he is originally from, but over

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01:01:43.400 --> 01:01:45.960
<v Speaker 1>the years he gained a bit of a reputation as

923
01:01:46.039 --> 01:01:50.119
<v Speaker 1>the leader of the underground paramilitary group Combat eighteen in

924
01:01:50.199 --> 01:01:52.639
<v Speaker 1>nineteen ninety eight, after the original leader was thrown in

925
01:01:52.639 --> 01:01:56.480
<v Speaker 1>prison for murder. This murder had been part of a

926
01:01:56.519 --> 01:02:00.519
<v Speaker 1>broader strategy of quote attacking left wing bookshops, gay pubs,

927
01:02:00.559 --> 01:02:03.920
<v Speaker 1>and anti apartheid activists in the nineteen nineties, and there

928
01:02:04.000 --> 01:02:07.360
<v Speaker 1>is little doubt that Mayat played a part in the terror, or,

929
01:02:07.440 --> 01:02:09.599
<v Speaker 1>if one is to be more charitable, was fully aware

930
01:02:09.639 --> 01:02:14.400
<v Speaker 1>of it. However, like a lot of self described seekers,

931
01:02:14.800 --> 01:02:18.079
<v Speaker 1>he became disillusioned with the movement, especially after it self

932
01:02:18.079 --> 01:02:22.159
<v Speaker 1>destructed from quote Internet, seeing conflicts and government repression unquote

933
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<v Speaker 1>in George Michael's words, though he never let go of

934
01:02:25.719 --> 01:02:30.880
<v Speaker 1>the Nazi ethos, Mayatt sought new meaning from various avenues,

935
01:02:30.920 --> 01:02:34.760
<v Speaker 1>including Daoism, Buddhism, Christian monastic life, and even pagan and

936
01:02:34.800 --> 01:02:40.760
<v Speaker 1>Satanic secret societies. But eventually he discovered Islam and was entranced.

937
01:02:42.280 --> 01:02:45.559
<v Speaker 1>This discovery and enchantment did little to tamp down Mayatt's

938
01:02:45.599 --> 01:02:49.480
<v Speaker 1>neo Nazism, and in fact, it only accentuated it. His

939
01:02:49.880 --> 01:02:54.159
<v Speaker 1>racial ethno nationalism as Michael calls it, or neo racism

940
01:02:54.199 --> 01:02:58.519
<v Speaker 1>as Miyat himself called it. Interestingly, does not apply a

941
01:02:58.599 --> 01:03:02.199
<v Speaker 1>hierarchy to the races, but does emphasize the importance of

942
01:03:02.400 --> 01:03:06.519
<v Speaker 1>racial particularism in the context of quote cultural identity and

943
01:03:06.559 --> 01:03:10.000
<v Speaker 1>self determination quote in which quote the various races of

944
01:03:10.039 --> 01:03:13.480
<v Speaker 1>the world have different destinies, different abilities, and different ways

945
01:03:13.519 --> 01:03:16.679
<v Speaker 1>of living that should be respected unquote. In George Michael's

946
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<v Speaker 1>words summarizing Mayat's views. And yet the West, that is

947
01:03:21.079 --> 01:03:24.639
<v Speaker 1>the new World order in Mayatt's parlance, was not included

948
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<v Speaker 1>in this formulation and was in fact the corrupting force

949
01:03:27.920 --> 01:03:30.239
<v Speaker 1>that did not allow for different ways of living that

950
01:03:30.280 --> 01:03:34.360
<v Speaker 1>should be respected. And of course, given his continuing neo

951
01:03:34.440 --> 01:03:38.039
<v Speaker 1>Nazi beliefs, there was a very particular group that helped

952
01:03:38.119 --> 01:03:42.199
<v Speaker 1>orchestrate this corruption. Thanks to their supposed influence, you can

953
01:03:42.280 --> 01:03:46.599
<v Speaker 1>probably guess who he was thinking about. Mayatt admitted in

954
01:03:46.599 --> 01:03:49.920
<v Speaker 1>interviews to George Michael for George Michael's book The Enemy

955
01:03:49.920 --> 01:03:53.119
<v Speaker 1>of My Enemy, that he was slightly opportunistic in his

956
01:03:53.159 --> 01:03:56.280
<v Speaker 1>pursuit of Islam because he admired the militancy practiced by

957
01:03:56.400 --> 01:03:59.119
<v Speaker 1>Islamist groups against what he saw as the enemy again,

958
01:03:59.360 --> 01:04:02.440
<v Speaker 1>the new World War order. Yet again, the idea that

959
01:04:02.480 --> 01:04:07.760
<v Speaker 1>he an avowed national socialists and Islamists quote shared common enemies,

960
01:04:07.960 --> 01:04:12.519
<v Speaker 1>the capitalist consumer West and international finance unquote, was plenty

961
01:04:12.679 --> 01:04:17.199
<v Speaker 1>enough to entice him. But unlike other far right activists

962
01:04:17.239 --> 01:04:21.000
<v Speaker 1>and radicals simply seeing the value of shared enemies, Mayatt

963
01:04:21.000 --> 01:04:24.320
<v Speaker 1>took it a step further. He converted taking on the

964
01:04:24.360 --> 01:04:29.239
<v Speaker 1>Islamic name Abdullah Ziz. This made perfect sense to him because,

965
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<v Speaker 1>as Michael explains, Mayat believed that quote something was terribly

966
01:04:33.639 --> 01:04:38.079
<v Speaker 1>missing in the hearts of right wing extremists. Unquote, there

967
01:04:38.280 --> 01:04:42.400
<v Speaker 1>was something, as far as Maya was concerned, truly inspiring

968
01:04:42.440 --> 01:04:48.559
<v Speaker 1>about jihad, the truly fanatical commitment of the soul. As

969
01:04:48.599 --> 01:04:52.280
<v Speaker 1>Maya himself explained in one of these interviews, quote, I

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01:04:52.320 --> 01:04:55.159
<v Speaker 1>came to understand that what motivated the fighters I and

971
01:04:55.239 --> 01:04:59.119
<v Speaker 1>others had discussed previously was an intense faith, a real

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01:04:59.159 --> 01:05:01.800
<v Speaker 1>belief in an after a belief that it was their

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01:05:01.880 --> 01:05:04.239
<v Speaker 1>duty to act in such a way, and that by

974
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<v Speaker 1>doing their duty in the way they did, they would

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<v Speaker 1>be assured of entering paradise. And this faith was not

976
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<v Speaker 1>a political belief they had acquired or accepted an adult life.

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<v Speaker 1>It was part of their very culture. Indeed, it was

978
01:05:17.280 --> 01:05:20.159
<v Speaker 1>their culture, their tradition, and their way of life from

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<v Speaker 1>birth through death. It was this type of faith, this

980
01:05:23.840 --> 01:05:26.679
<v Speaker 1>immersion in one's own culture, which our own people so

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01:05:26.800 --> 01:05:29.920
<v Speaker 1>sadly lacked. We were trying to motivate people in a

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<v Speaker 1>political way, whereas Muslim fighters did what they did because

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01:05:33.760 --> 01:05:36.440
<v Speaker 1>it was accepted as their duty as their own people

984
01:05:36.519 --> 01:05:43.920
<v Speaker 1>understood this duty and gladly accepted their martyrdom quote. Despite

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<v Speaker 1>his deterministic and all encompassing diagnosis of Muslim culture, if

986
01:05:48.280 --> 01:05:51.280
<v Speaker 1>such a thing even really exists in full, Maya was

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01:05:51.320 --> 01:05:54.639
<v Speaker 1>adamant that racial differences played little role in his thinking.

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<v Speaker 1>In fact, he insisted that quote the truth about national

989
01:05:58.920 --> 01:06:02.719
<v Speaker 1>socialism has been obscured for over fifty years thanks to

990
01:06:02.760 --> 01:06:07.559
<v Speaker 1>the intensive, hateful, worldwide, well financed, and unending propaganda campaign

991
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<v Speaker 1>directed against it, characterizing the image of the Nazis we

992
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<v Speaker 1>get from the historical record as quote the stereotyped Marxist

993
01:06:16.360 --> 01:06:21.920
<v Speaker 1>capitalist image of a national socialist unquot. Mayat rejected any

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<v Speaker 1>notion of being a quote rabid so called racist who

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<v Speaker 1>hated other races unquote, instead proclaiming that he quote loved

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<v Speaker 1>my own people, valued my own heritage, and wished to

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<v Speaker 1>see the creation of independent homelands where different races and

998
01:06:36.039 --> 01:06:38.880
<v Speaker 1>cultures could live in freedom according to their own customs.

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01:06:41.559 --> 01:06:46.480
<v Speaker 1>While this certainly contradicts the original national socialist mission of Liebensraum,

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01:06:47.360 --> 01:06:50.880
<v Speaker 1>this type of modern day racial radicalism is common enough

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01:06:50.960 --> 01:06:56.079
<v Speaker 1>among those who would consider themselves racial separatists. Mayat did

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01:06:56.119 --> 01:06:59.079
<v Speaker 1>not believe that the well established history of national socialism,

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01:06:59.239 --> 01:07:02.039
<v Speaker 1>or the history of imperialist militant Islam for that matter,

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01:07:02.519 --> 01:07:06.760
<v Speaker 1>contradicted his worldview, or more importantly, that these worldviews could

1005
01:07:06.800 --> 01:07:10.679
<v Speaker 1>conflict with one another. This was of course thanks to

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01:07:10.719 --> 01:07:13.000
<v Speaker 1>his belief that we have gotten the history of the

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01:07:13.039 --> 01:07:16.079
<v Speaker 1>Second World War wrong, as well as our Western understanding

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<v Speaker 1>of Islam. But it was also because he believed that

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<v Speaker 1>there was more than enough kinship between the faiths. As

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<v Speaker 1>may had explained in his interview, quote, there was some

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01:07:26.320 --> 01:07:30.440
<v Speaker 1>common ground since both ways, when correctly understood, produced civilized,

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<v Speaker 1>honorable individuals who use reason as a guide unquote. However,

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<v Speaker 1>he did start to notice contradictions as time went on,

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<v Speaker 1>and as he attempted to create something akin to, in

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01:07:42.559 --> 01:07:46.920
<v Speaker 1>Michael's words, aryan Islam, in which quote aryan culture and

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<v Speaker 1>identity could be expressed in the confines of Islam unquote. Now, eventually, Mayat,

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<v Speaker 1>who was a very intelligent man, it should be noted,

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<v Speaker 1>with a reported i Q of one hundred and eighty seven,

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<v Speaker 1>he needed that, at least for him. There were too

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<v Speaker 1>many contradictions between Islam itself and his that is, Maya's

1021
01:08:06.480 --> 01:08:10.280
<v Speaker 1>vision of true national socialism, which he saw as more

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<v Speaker 1>tied to folk culture, that is, the culture of the voke,

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<v Speaker 1>and as Hitler believed, a reverence for capital and nature.

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<v Speaker 1>The main problem, though, was not the issue of racial

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<v Speaker 1>or even general cultural differences. The problem was that Islam

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<v Speaker 1>was too concerned with jana or the next life. Radical

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<v Speaker 1>action for the reward of the hereafter was ultimately too

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<v Speaker 1>individualistic of a principle for him, and he left the

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<v Speaker 1>Faith to continue his political project from the standpoint of

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<v Speaker 1>folk culture. Nevertheless, Maya continued to express admiration for Islam

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<v Speaker 1>and even stated that quote I do believe I understand Islam,

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<v Speaker 1>which is why I know an alliance between Muslims and

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<v Speaker 1>national socialists as possible and indeed necessary. Unquote if he

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<v Speaker 1>an avowed national socialist who supposedly has since renounced all

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<v Speaker 1>of his radical beliefs, for what it's worth, but if

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<v Speaker 1>he at the time, as an avowed national socialist devoted

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<v Speaker 1>to crushing the new world order, if he could see

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<v Speaker 1>the value in such a friendship, others would have to

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<v Speaker 1>as well, and perhaps even embrace the faith as he

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<v Speaker 1>once did. However, there were others, particularly one man, who

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<v Speaker 1>had already done just that, and this one man's story

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<v Speaker 1>is just as fascinating, if not more disturbing, than Mayat's.

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<v Speaker 16>On a quiet street not far from the former residence

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01:09:37.640 --> 01:09:43.479
<v Speaker 16>of the US ambassador lives a seventy five year old

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<v Speaker 16>swissman who the US government says is a terrorist. Huber,

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<v Speaker 16>if you haven't guessed, is an admirer of Adolph Hitlery. Yes, Japan,

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<v Speaker 16>he is a convert to Islam, has been for forty years.

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah, kind of stay.

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<v Speaker 4>Far from a simple convert.

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<v Speaker 16>Counter terrorist experts believe that Ahmed Huber his breathing embodiment

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01:10:07.439 --> 01:10:10.880
<v Speaker 16>of a dangerous alliance of Neo Nazi and Islamic extremists,

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01:10:11.520 --> 01:10:14.720
<v Speaker 16>a coalition united in its hatred of America and Jews,

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<v Speaker 16>a coalition known as the Third Position.

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<v Speaker 1>Ahmed Huber was not born Ahmed, but was in fact

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<v Speaker 1>born Albert Friedrich Armand Huber in nineteen twenty seven to

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<v Speaker 1>a Protestant family in Freiburg, Switzerland. He had converted to

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<v Speaker 1>Islam in nineteen sixty two, after having spent most of

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<v Speaker 1>his adult life in the Swiss Socialist Party, which had

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<v Speaker 1>brought him into greater contact with Islam to the party's

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01:10:39.640 --> 01:10:43.359
<v Speaker 1>support for Algerian independence at the time, as he put

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<v Speaker 1>it in his interview with George Michael for Michael's book,

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<v Speaker 1>he was drawn to Islam because quote it was an

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<v Speaker 1>anti theology, quote in which quote Allah is a declaration

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<v Speaker 1>of war against all theology unquote, because quote Allah is

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<v Speaker 1>always greater and greatest and completely different beyond all human

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<v Speaker 1>reason unquote. Even better, Hubert realized Islam taught the quote

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<v Speaker 1>unquote unity of faith and reason, and that quote there

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<v Speaker 1>was no church, the only authority and message and of

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01:11:12.239 --> 01:11:15.399
<v Speaker 1>the messenger from which the religious, the political, the social

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01:11:15.479 --> 01:11:21.359
<v Speaker 1>are all one are together unquote. Enchanted by the promises

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<v Speaker 1>he saw in this new faith, unlike what he saw

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<v Speaker 1>as stunted Protestantism and milktoast liberalism, he made the decision

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<v Speaker 1>to convert. It was upon his joining of the faith,

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<v Speaker 1>reciting his Shahada in Egypt to the Sheikh Mahmud Shaltut

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<v Speaker 1>on the invitation of the Egyptian Embassy, that Hubert's views

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01:11:39.439 --> 01:11:42.800
<v Speaker 1>on politics started to change, especially the more often he

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<v Speaker 1>spoke to the more radical Islamists among his new friends.

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<v Speaker 1>One of those friends was Gamal Abdul Nasser, the pan

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<v Speaker 1>Arabis radical and president of Egypt. As Hubert later recalled,

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<v Speaker 1>quote Nasar explained to me some things about the Third Reich,

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<v Speaker 1>and about the Second World War, and about Adolph Hitler

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<v Speaker 1>and some things that I have never known. It was

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<v Speaker 1>for me a complete culture shock. And then I went

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<v Speaker 1>back to Switzerland. I was invited to the embassy again,

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01:12:11.960 --> 01:12:14.600
<v Speaker 1>and there I met a young girl. She was a secretary,

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<v Speaker 1>and we later married in the private officers club of

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01:12:16.760 --> 01:12:19.960
<v Speaker 1>abdel Nasser. There we got married in August of nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>sixty three, and from then on I've been a Muslim unquote.

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<v Speaker 1>Continuing to describe his journey into the faith, Huber recounted

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<v Speaker 1>that while he began as an Arab nationalist, quote, the

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01:12:32.399 --> 01:12:35.119
<v Speaker 1>Islamic revolution in Iran made something new out of me.

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<v Speaker 1>This deepened his ties to political Islam, and through those

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01:12:40.560 --> 01:12:45.239
<v Speaker 1>ties he actually eventually met the infamous Ayatola Komeni, and

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<v Speaker 1>he that is Huber even spoke in front of the

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01:12:47.880 --> 01:12:53.920
<v Speaker 1>Iranian parliament. Despite practicing in the Sunni tradition. As George

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<v Speaker 1>Michael points out, Huber quote became very much touched by

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01:12:57.439 --> 01:13:00.520
<v Speaker 1>Shia Islam unquote, and he began to add advocate for

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01:13:00.520 --> 01:13:05.000
<v Speaker 1>the Islamic Republic. He was basically an early version of

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01:13:05.039 --> 01:13:08.000
<v Speaker 1>the people marching around with the sign saying hands off Iran.

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<v Speaker 4>Huber forged close ties to the Ayatola Komani and the

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<v Speaker 4>Iranian Revolution. What did you think of Comyne met him?

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<v Speaker 8>Yes, he was a fantastic man.

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<v Speaker 16>At the same time, he worked with extreme right wing

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01:13:21.319 --> 01:13:24.479
<v Speaker 16>politicians like Francis Jean Marie Lepin.

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01:13:26.039 --> 01:13:28.439
<v Speaker 4>In Germany's Neo Nazi Party, the NPD.

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<v Speaker 1>It was when that Hubert returned to Europe from Iran

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01:13:31.399 --> 01:13:34.359
<v Speaker 1>that he was implored by his Iranian contacts to quote

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<v Speaker 1>make contact with right wing movements in order to stop

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01:13:37.319 --> 01:13:40.680
<v Speaker 1>them from attacking Muslims and to speak of common values

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01:13:40.760 --> 01:13:45.680
<v Speaker 1>that we have and also of common enemies unquote. And

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01:13:46.239 --> 01:13:50.479
<v Speaker 1>Hubert ultimately did make those contacts, connecting with both European

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01:13:50.920 --> 01:13:56.920
<v Speaker 1>and American far right extremists over the following decades. This

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01:13:56.960 --> 01:13:59.359
<v Speaker 1>relationship culminated in a little bit of a rabbit hole,

1114
01:13:59.359 --> 01:14:01.600
<v Speaker 1>but one that I think is worth delving into at

1115
01:14:01.680 --> 01:14:03.880
<v Speaker 1>least a little bit to understand the scope of this

1116
01:14:03.960 --> 01:14:08.399
<v Speaker 1>Green Brown alliance phenomenon we're examining. This involves something called

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01:14:08.520 --> 01:14:12.560
<v Speaker 1>Altakva later renamed Nada Management in late two thousand and one,

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01:14:12.960 --> 01:14:15.800
<v Speaker 1>which was a financial firm that, according to George Michael,

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<v Speaker 1>quote allegedly funded al Qaeda and allegedly provided assistance to

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<v Speaker 1>Hamas and the Muslim Brotherhood unquote, And as Michael later explains, quote,

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<v Speaker 1>the last known chairman of Altakva is reported to have

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01:14:29.359 --> 01:14:33.239
<v Speaker 1>been Yusuf Nada unquote. Hence the name change. This man

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01:14:33.279 --> 01:14:36.800
<v Speaker 1>matters to our story because, as Michael writes, Nada had

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01:14:36.800 --> 01:14:39.960
<v Speaker 1>connections to the Western far right that quote extended back

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<v Speaker 1>decades unquote, beginning with its involvement with the Muslim Brotherhood

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01:14:43.720 --> 01:14:46.760
<v Speaker 1>during World War II and acting as a liaison between

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01:14:46.760 --> 01:14:50.439
<v Speaker 1>the abver or the Third Reich intelligence and the Muslim Brotherhood,

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<v Speaker 1>a connection that we have explored in history impossible, particularly

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<v Speaker 1>when talking about the activities of the Third Reich engaging

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01:14:57.399 --> 01:15:01.239
<v Speaker 1>in propaganda over in the Arab world. Now, Ahmed Huber

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01:15:01.800 --> 01:15:04.720
<v Speaker 1>fits into this equation in nineteen eighty eight as one

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01:15:04.760 --> 01:15:07.479
<v Speaker 1>of the founders of Altakva, which registered as an import

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01:15:07.520 --> 01:15:11.479
<v Speaker 1>export company, but was, according to Swiss authorities, more akin

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01:15:11.640 --> 01:15:15.840
<v Speaker 1>to a terrorist money laundering operation, with resources moving through

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01:15:15.880 --> 01:15:19.279
<v Speaker 1>the company to nefarious figures like Carlos the Jackal and

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<v Speaker 1>Osama bin Laden. About two weeks after nine to eleven,

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<v Speaker 1>the Bush administration put out Executive Order one three two

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<v Speaker 1>two four, which designated over two dozen international entities as

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01:15:31.640 --> 01:15:36.560
<v Speaker 1>supporters of terrorism. A significant number of these entities, including Altakva,

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01:15:37.039 --> 01:15:40.720
<v Speaker 1>were registered to Yusef Nada, the Nazi Muslim brotherhood liaison.

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01:15:42.079 --> 01:15:45.079
<v Speaker 1>It was through the investigations that followed EO one three

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01:15:45.079 --> 01:15:48.279
<v Speaker 1>two two four that Ahmed Hubert's name came up, and

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01:15:48.319 --> 01:15:50.119
<v Speaker 1>it was revealed that he had sat on the board

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01:15:50.159 --> 01:15:52.800
<v Speaker 1>of Altakva since its founding in nineteen eighty eight.

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<v Speaker 16>And the company who he helped direct was even targeted

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01:15:56.039 --> 01:15:57.640
<v Speaker 16>publicly by President Bush.

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01:15:58.159 --> 01:16:02.439
<v Speaker 17>Altaqua was in our association of out shore banks and

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01:16:02.560 --> 01:16:07.479
<v Speaker 17>financial management firms that have helped al Qaeda shift money

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01:16:07.479 --> 01:16:08.199
<v Speaker 17>around the world.

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<v Speaker 16>The United States has listed you basically as a terrorist.

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<v Speaker 4>Were you surprised to see your name on that list?

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<v Speaker 8>No, I was just laughing because it's a first. It's

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01:16:17.640 --> 01:16:20.640
<v Speaker 8>absolutely stupid. It's not even a lie. It's stupid.

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01:16:21.119 --> 01:16:24.199
<v Speaker 16>Akmed Huber may have laughed, but the US government is

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01:16:24.239 --> 01:16:28.600
<v Speaker 16>dead serious. It has frozen Huber's assets and is pressuring

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01:16:28.680 --> 01:16:30.560
<v Speaker 16>the Swiss government to arrest.

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01:16:30.399 --> 01:16:32.520
<v Speaker 4>Him for being part of the al Qaeda.

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01:16:32.239 --> 01:16:36.640
<v Speaker 16>Money network, alleging that al Taqua management later called not

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01:16:36.800 --> 01:16:40.680
<v Speaker 16>a management, funneled money to Islamic terrorist groups through a

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01:16:40.720 --> 01:16:45.039
<v Speaker 16>complex scheme of offshore banking. Huber was on the company's

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01:16:45.079 --> 01:16:46.119
<v Speaker 16>board of directors.

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<v Speaker 8>I have never seen anything which was lousy or not

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01:16:49.960 --> 01:16:55.000
<v Speaker 8>correct or suspicious, because you see, I could not have

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01:16:55.079 --> 01:16:59.840
<v Speaker 8>afforded to be a part of something doubtful.

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<v Speaker 16>That is because, according to critics, Huber has a very

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01:17:03.640 --> 01:17:04.319
<v Speaker 16>doubtful pans.

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<v Speaker 8>You see, here is a room where I read.

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01:17:07.840 --> 01:17:10.840
<v Speaker 4>One only has to take a tour of his study it.

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01:17:12.920 --> 01:17:16.079
<v Speaker 16>There is a smiling bin Lad next to a stern

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01:17:16.119 --> 01:17:19.760
<v Speaker 16>Adolf Hilill He all situated below a photograph of the

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01:17:19.840 --> 01:17:21.039
<v Speaker 16>Ayatola Kommie.

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<v Speaker 4>And oh yeah, there is one other bit of memorabiliness.

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<v Speaker 8>This piece here is a piece from the house of

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<v Speaker 8>Hitler and as outspack the fundacation.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks to the publicity created by the investigation into Al Takva,

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01:17:36.840 --> 01:17:39.439
<v Speaker 1>Huber agreed to a number of interviews, and in one

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<v Speaker 1>with the Jewish Telegraph Agency in November of two thousand

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01:17:41.920 --> 01:17:45.079
<v Speaker 1>and one, he admitted that he quote met in Beirut

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<v Speaker 1>on several occasions with bin Laden followers, whom he described

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01:17:48.520 --> 01:17:52.640
<v Speaker 1>as very intelligent and nice guys. More to the point.

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01:17:53.039 --> 01:17:56.800
<v Speaker 1>The same article references the Swiss newspaper Blick's own reporting

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01:17:57.159 --> 01:17:59.960
<v Speaker 1>that Huber acted as quote a go between for Islamic

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01:18:00.079 --> 01:18:04.039
<v Speaker 1>extremists and neo Nazis unquote, and that he believed that

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01:18:04.119 --> 01:18:07.079
<v Speaker 1>quote the greatest leaders of the twentieth century were Hitler

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01:18:07.279 --> 01:18:11.119
<v Speaker 1>and Iran's late Ayatola Komeni, made evident by the two

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01:18:11.159 --> 01:18:15.680
<v Speaker 1>men's portraits hanging prominently in his office. When asked about

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01:18:15.680 --> 01:18:18.720
<v Speaker 1>his attendance to a rally for Germany's neo Nazi National

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01:18:18.800 --> 01:18:21.560
<v Speaker 1>Democratic Party, which it should be noted, takes issue with

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01:18:21.600 --> 01:18:24.960
<v Speaker 1>Germany's newer populas driving party alternative Fier Deutschland or a

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01:18:25.119 --> 01:18:28.640
<v Speaker 1>f Day for essentially stealing their thunder just a little

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01:18:28.640 --> 01:18:31.920
<v Speaker 1>fun fact there, as well as his contacts with this party,

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01:18:32.439 --> 01:18:36.399
<v Speaker 1>Huber simply replied, quote the National Democratic Party are brave

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01:18:36.479 --> 01:18:41.079
<v Speaker 1>people who understand that the Holocaust is a big lie unquote.

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01:18:42.720 --> 01:18:45.479
<v Speaker 1>When George Michael sat down for his interview with Huber

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01:18:45.560 --> 01:18:48.520
<v Speaker 1>in two thousand and three, the Swiss Muslim convert made

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01:18:48.560 --> 01:18:51.479
<v Speaker 1>his positions even clearer, about as clear as one could,

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01:18:52.039 --> 01:18:57.079
<v Speaker 1>and it is thus worth reading at length. Quote I

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<v Speaker 1>judge as a Muslim, I judge Adolph Hitler and the

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<v Speaker 1>Reich and his movement in a different way than the

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01:19:02.760 --> 01:19:06.000
<v Speaker 1>Zionists or the Marxists or the Anglo Americans do, because

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01:19:06.039 --> 01:19:09.000
<v Speaker 1>I know very very much. I have been studying the

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01:19:09.039 --> 01:19:11.880
<v Speaker 1>sources of what was the Third Reich, and I met

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01:19:11.880 --> 01:19:14.600
<v Speaker 1>a lot of people who knew Hitler personally. I have

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01:19:14.760 --> 01:19:19.159
<v Speaker 1>met his secretaries fraugertrud Junga, who recently died, and Christa Schroeder.

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01:19:19.680 --> 01:19:22.399
<v Speaker 1>I have met Anton AxMan, the last Hitler youth leader,

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01:19:22.560 --> 01:19:24.720
<v Speaker 1>who brought the corpses of Hitler and Ava Brown to

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01:19:24.760 --> 01:19:27.439
<v Speaker 1>the Reich Chancellery and burnt them. I met a lot

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01:19:27.439 --> 01:19:30.399
<v Speaker 1>of waffen s S generals from the Liebstandharta who personally

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01:19:30.439 --> 01:19:33.760
<v Speaker 1>knew Hitler. We Muslims are fascinated by the Third Reich

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01:19:33.800 --> 01:19:36.800
<v Speaker 1>in the nineteen thirties because Hitler had some ideas at

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01:19:36.840 --> 01:19:40.039
<v Speaker 1>the political level and the economic level and the cultural

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01:19:40.079 --> 01:19:42.760
<v Speaker 1>field which were very close to the political, economic, and

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01:19:42.800 --> 01:19:47.680
<v Speaker 1>cultural Shariah. For instance, the economic concept of an interest free,

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01:19:47.720 --> 01:19:51.399
<v Speaker 1>non capitalist economy is very close to the Islamic concept

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01:19:51.439 --> 01:19:55.479
<v Speaker 1>of the economy. Hitler's idea that art should represent God

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01:19:55.560 --> 01:19:58.199
<v Speaker 1>and not be degenerate and make a cult of ugliness,

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01:19:58.199 --> 01:20:01.359
<v Speaker 1>of lies, and of evil. This corresponds to the cultural

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01:20:01.359 --> 01:20:05.079
<v Speaker 1>Shariah and so on. So this man and his movement

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01:20:05.119 --> 01:20:08.920
<v Speaker 1>were fascinating to many Muslim intellectuals all during the nineteen thirties,

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01:20:09.560 --> 01:20:12.720
<v Speaker 1>and since nineteen forty five, Muslims have been studying all

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01:20:12.760 --> 01:20:16.039
<v Speaker 1>of these things. And we judge him Hitler in a

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01:20:16.039 --> 01:20:19.640
<v Speaker 1>different way. Even if now, of course, when the Muslims

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01:20:19.680 --> 01:20:23.359
<v Speaker 1>protest against America they say Bush equals Hitler, or Israeli

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01:20:23.399 --> 01:20:26.920
<v Speaker 1>Prime Minister Ariel Sharon equals Hitler. They say that not

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01:20:27.039 --> 01:20:29.960
<v Speaker 1>for themselves, but because they know that it has an

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01:20:30.000 --> 01:20:35.119
<v Speaker 1>impact on Western public opinion. You see, Hitler himself had

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01:20:35.199 --> 01:20:38.800
<v Speaker 1>quite a positive attitude towards Islam. He said several times

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<v Speaker 1>the only religion I respect is Islam. The only prophet

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01:20:41.640 --> 01:20:45.439
<v Speaker 1>I admire is the prophet Muhammad. He said several times

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01:20:45.439 --> 01:20:48.039
<v Speaker 1>in his table talks that after the Final War, the

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01:20:48.079 --> 01:20:50.479
<v Speaker 1>Swastika will rule over all of Europe and will represent

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01:20:50.479 --> 01:20:52.680
<v Speaker 1>a new Europe. We will help the Muslims in North

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01:20:52.680 --> 01:20:56.039
<v Speaker 1>Africa and the Middle East to reestablish the caliphate. That

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<v Speaker 1>means there would be an Islamic civilization. And Hitler said

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<v Speaker 1>in the Far East there will be the rising Sun Japan.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course, he didn't see China. Huber pause to laugh here.

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<v Speaker 1>He had no thought for China. He only saw Japan,

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01:21:09.600 --> 01:21:12.239
<v Speaker 1>with whom he had an alliance. He spoke of a

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01:21:12.279 --> 01:21:15.279
<v Speaker 1>new stability in the world. The swastika, the crescent and

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01:21:15.319 --> 01:21:17.960
<v Speaker 1>the rising Sun would be a new stability.

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<v Speaker 4>He said.

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<v Speaker 1>In America people will wake up, as well as in

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01:21:20.600 --> 01:21:24.520
<v Speaker 1>Latin America and Black Africa. He was against colonialism, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>after the beginning in mine Kamp there are still some

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01:21:28.079 --> 01:21:30.920
<v Speaker 1>colonialist ideas he had, like all people of his time,

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01:21:31.399 --> 01:21:34.279
<v Speaker 1>but later in the nineteen thirties, especially during the war,

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01:21:34.560 --> 01:21:38.800
<v Speaker 1>he changed. I have been around with groups of young people,

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01:21:38.880 --> 01:21:42.079
<v Speaker 1>both Muslims and non Muslims, and especially what we call

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01:21:42.159 --> 01:21:45.600
<v Speaker 1>the New Right. Sometimes we hold meetings together Muslims and

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01:21:45.600 --> 01:21:48.199
<v Speaker 1>people from the New Right to speak about these things

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01:21:48.239 --> 01:21:51.119
<v Speaker 1>and show what we have in common. I also spoke

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01:21:51.159 --> 01:21:54.159
<v Speaker 1>about this at the University of Tehran. I spoke at

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01:21:54.199 --> 01:21:58.039
<v Speaker 1>a seminar and workshops about these problems, explaining what was

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01:21:58.079 --> 01:22:00.880
<v Speaker 1>the Third Reich, what it was all about. In London,

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01:22:01.039 --> 01:22:04.039
<v Speaker 1>we had conferences. We had Islamic conferences in the United

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01:22:04.079 --> 01:22:06.439
<v Speaker 1>States between nineteen eighty eight and nineteen ninety eight, the

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01:22:06.520 --> 01:22:08.800
<v Speaker 1>last time in nineteen ninety eight in the United States.

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<v Speaker 1>When you talk about this to young Muslims and young

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01:22:12.680 --> 01:22:15.840
<v Speaker 1>right wing people in general, they say, there is common ground.

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<v Speaker 1>The link is a criticism of the so called modernity

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01:22:19.359 --> 01:22:22.239
<v Speaker 1>of the modern world, which in many ways has gone

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01:22:22.279 --> 01:22:25.600
<v Speaker 1>far away from God. It is against creation, It is

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<v Speaker 1>against nature. Look for instance, at the cult of homosexuality.

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<v Speaker 1>This is incredible. This is against common sense, against reason,

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01:22:34.159 --> 01:22:37.920
<v Speaker 1>against nature. It is ridiculous. If you look at modern art,

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01:22:37.960 --> 01:22:39.920
<v Speaker 1>it is an insult to reason and an insult of

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01:22:39.960 --> 01:22:42.399
<v Speaker 1>the sense of beauty which is in every human being.

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<v Speaker 1>If this lengthy diatribe started to sound familiar to anyone

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01:22:50.079 --> 01:22:54.039
<v Speaker 1>keyed into the rhetoric of the current new right, especially online,

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01:22:54.159 --> 01:22:59.600
<v Speaker 1>the reason why should be appearing increasingly obvious. Anti modern

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01:22:59.680 --> 01:23:03.880
<v Speaker 1>radical is anti modern radicalism, whether it comes in brown

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01:23:04.279 --> 01:23:08.920
<v Speaker 1>or green. A more interesting and yet crucial thing for

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01:23:09.000 --> 01:23:11.479
<v Speaker 1>us to highlight here, though, is that, unlike David Mayatt

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01:23:11.880 --> 01:23:13.840
<v Speaker 1>and a number of other far right figures who have

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01:23:13.880 --> 01:23:18.079
<v Speaker 1>become converts to the Islamic faith, like traditionalist renee Ganols

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01:23:18.119 --> 01:23:22.039
<v Speaker 1>turn towards Sufism, Ahmed Huber came to his far right

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01:23:22.119 --> 01:23:27.159
<v Speaker 1>radicalism from his conversion to Islam. Remember when he started

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01:23:27.199 --> 01:23:30.000
<v Speaker 1>out right. Before he converted, he was a member of

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01:23:30.039 --> 01:23:34.119
<v Speaker 1>the Swiss Socialist Party. Now this is fascinating in and

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01:23:34.159 --> 01:23:37.479
<v Speaker 1>of itself, but it is also indicative of how malleable

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01:23:37.520 --> 01:23:41.880
<v Speaker 1>belief systems can be when made radical, how easy it

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01:23:41.960 --> 01:23:45.640
<v Speaker 1>is for one radical ideology to inform and influence the

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01:23:45.680 --> 01:23:51.199
<v Speaker 1>formation of or joining of another, no matter which way around. However,

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01:23:51.600 --> 01:23:55.039
<v Speaker 1>Huber's particular experience also allows us to see the real

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01:23:55.159 --> 01:23:58.960
<v Speaker 1>historical origin of this green brown alliance, and it is

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01:23:59.000 --> 01:24:02.560
<v Speaker 1>a very familiar ordayn, especially to those who listened to

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01:24:02.760 --> 01:24:08.720
<v Speaker 1>History Impossible. Hubert recounted a story directly to Michael during

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01:24:08.760 --> 01:24:10.880
<v Speaker 1>the course of his interview with him for the enemy

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01:24:10.880 --> 01:24:13.640
<v Speaker 1>of my Enemy, and one that really helps bring the

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01:24:13.680 --> 01:24:18.920
<v Speaker 1>bizarre phenomenon of this green Brown alliance full circle. In

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<v Speaker 1>the nineteen sixties, as he was becoming more and more

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01:24:22.760 --> 01:24:27.840
<v Speaker 1>invested in his newfound musclim identity, Hubert had traveled to Beirut,

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01:24:28.079 --> 01:24:31.079
<v Speaker 1>where he met with an aging titan of Islamism and,

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01:24:31.119 --> 01:24:35.199
<v Speaker 1>in my opinion at least, the godfather of the Islamist

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01:24:35.279 --> 01:24:40.239
<v Speaker 1>in far right relationship. This Titan not only impressed Hubert

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01:24:40.279 --> 01:24:43.800
<v Speaker 1>with his status and prestige, but also with a story

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01:24:44.119 --> 01:24:50.640
<v Speaker 1>too wild to be true. As Hubert recounted, quote the

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<v Speaker 1>Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, Hajamin al Husseini, who I met

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<v Speaker 1>in nineteen sixty five in Beirut. We had a long talk.

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<v Speaker 1>He told me many, many interesting things. Because he had

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<v Speaker 1>an almost friendship, definitely a relationship with Adolf Hitler. He

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01:25:05.239 --> 01:25:08.520
<v Speaker 1>told me a fantastic story. On one night in December

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01:25:08.600 --> 01:25:11.640
<v Speaker 1>nineteen forty one, after the big victories of Germany over

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01:25:11.640 --> 01:25:14.319
<v Speaker 1>the Soviet Union, he had a long talk with Hitler

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01:25:14.359 --> 01:25:18.199
<v Speaker 1>about architecture, culture, the music of Richard Wagner and so on.

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01:25:18.920 --> 01:25:21.640
<v Speaker 1>Hitler started talking about race theory and anti Semitism, and

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01:25:21.680 --> 01:25:25.079
<v Speaker 1>the Grand Mufti asked Hitler, did you ever think, mister Chancellor,

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01:25:25.319 --> 01:25:28.279
<v Speaker 1>that your race theory comes out of Judaism? It comes

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01:25:28.319 --> 01:25:31.840
<v Speaker 1>out of the Old Testament. And Hitler was very astonished

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01:25:31.840 --> 01:25:35.079
<v Speaker 1>by that. The Grand Muffty knew the Bible very well.

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01:25:35.520 --> 01:25:38.039
<v Speaker 1>He said, all of your ideas, the doctrine of the

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01:25:38.079 --> 01:25:41.479
<v Speaker 1>Nazi Party are in the Old Testament. The chosen people

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01:25:41.520 --> 01:25:44.680
<v Speaker 1>of God are not the chosen people, but the chosen race,

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01:25:44.800 --> 01:25:48.439
<v Speaker 1>and that blood carries the soul, and this chosen race

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01:25:48.520 --> 01:25:51.239
<v Speaker 1>must keep its blood pure. It must not mix its

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01:25:51.319 --> 01:25:54.800
<v Speaker 1>blood with non Jews. The foreigners, the sub human beasts

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01:25:54.880 --> 01:25:58.079
<v Speaker 1>called the goyam, are inferior to the Jewish master race.

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01:25:58.920 --> 01:26:01.159
<v Speaker 1>The genocide order of God is in the fifth Book

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01:26:01.159 --> 01:26:03.840
<v Speaker 1>of Moses, and in the Book of Joshua, the race

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01:26:03.920 --> 01:26:06.800
<v Speaker 1>laws of Ezra and Ishmael. All of these things are

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01:26:06.800 --> 01:26:10.880
<v Speaker 1>in the Old Testament. Hitler was absolutely astonished, and the

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01:26:10.960 --> 01:26:13.960
<v Speaker 1>mufty told him further, you have not high esteem for

1323
01:26:14.000 --> 01:26:16.960
<v Speaker 1>the Africans, for black people. And also this comes from

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01:26:17.000 --> 01:26:19.159
<v Speaker 1>the Old Testament and the First Book of Moses. The

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01:26:19.199 --> 01:26:22.600
<v Speaker 1>black race is doomed, considered by God to eternal slavery.

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01:26:22.960 --> 01:26:25.960
<v Speaker 1>It's the famous curse by God on Ham, one of

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01:26:25.960 --> 01:26:28.600
<v Speaker 1>the three sons of the prophet Noah. So when the

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01:26:28.640 --> 01:26:32.279
<v Speaker 1>mufty told Hitler another story, he said, you, mister Chancellor,

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01:26:32.359 --> 01:26:36.000
<v Speaker 1>hate the Roman Catholic Church, to which Hitler responded, really.

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01:26:36.760 --> 01:26:39.680
<v Speaker 1>The mufty replied, yes, it's true, but you, mister Hitler,

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01:26:39.880 --> 01:26:42.439
<v Speaker 1>you never left the church. You are still formerly a

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01:26:42.439 --> 01:26:45.920
<v Speaker 1>member of the Roman Catholic Church. Then the mufty added,

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01:26:46.239 --> 01:26:48.960
<v Speaker 1>mister Chancellor, you have organized your party like the Roman

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01:26:49.000 --> 01:26:52.640
<v Speaker 1>Catholic church. You are the pope. Your Gaulights and reichs

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01:26:52.720 --> 01:26:56.880
<v Speaker 1>Liters are the cardinals and archbishops. Your party congresses are

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01:26:56.920 --> 01:26:59.680
<v Speaker 1>like high masses religious ceremonies, which you celebrate as the

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01:26:59.720 --> 01:27:04.319
<v Speaker 1>high priest. Hitler then became furious and walked out, and

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01:27:04.399 --> 01:27:06.640
<v Speaker 1>for three weeks the Muffy could not come back in.

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01:27:07.159 --> 01:27:09.479
<v Speaker 1>After three weeks, the Muffy had to go to the

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01:27:09.520 --> 01:27:12.520
<v Speaker 1>Reich's chancellory in Berlin, and he told me there I

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01:27:12.560 --> 01:27:15.560
<v Speaker 1>thought Hitler would arrest me and shout at me. Hitler

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01:27:15.600 --> 01:27:18.279
<v Speaker 1>came and smiled at the Muffy, put his hands around

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01:27:18.319 --> 01:27:21.800
<v Speaker 1>his arms and said, your eminence, I want to apologize

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01:27:21.880 --> 01:27:25.960
<v Speaker 1>to you. I behave like an uneducated little boy. He said,

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01:27:26.479 --> 01:27:28.880
<v Speaker 1>I have read the Bible and thought about what you said.

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01:27:29.239 --> 01:27:32.079
<v Speaker 1>And now that final victory is close, Moscow will fall

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01:27:32.119 --> 01:27:34.399
<v Speaker 1>in a few weeks and the Soviet Union will be gone,

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01:27:34.439 --> 01:27:37.359
<v Speaker 1>and then final victory will come. We must talk about

1349
01:27:37.399 --> 01:27:39.720
<v Speaker 1>all these things and try to make some changes in

1350
01:27:39.760 --> 01:27:44.239
<v Speaker 1>our ideology. And of course final victory never came. But

1351
01:27:44.359 --> 01:27:47.640
<v Speaker 1>Hitler dictated a text to Christa Schroeder and Frau Junga,

1352
01:27:47.800 --> 01:27:51.399
<v Speaker 1>his secretaries, which is called the Hitler Bormann Documents, or

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01:27:51.439 --> 01:27:55.279
<v Speaker 1>the Testament to Adolf Hitler. In this text, Hitler makes

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01:27:55.279 --> 01:28:03.399
<v Speaker 1>a criticism of his policies. Now, there is literally no

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01:28:03.560 --> 01:28:07.079
<v Speaker 1>way to know whether this secondhand story from Ahmed Huber

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01:28:07.159 --> 01:28:10.000
<v Speaker 1>but Hajja Means encounter with the Furor in December of

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01:28:10.039 --> 01:28:14.800
<v Speaker 1>nineteen forty one has any amount of truth to it. Now,

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01:28:14.840 --> 01:28:18.560
<v Speaker 1>it would certainly be significant, very significant of the historiography

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01:28:18.760 --> 01:28:22.279
<v Speaker 1>if proven, since the only confirmed face to face encounter

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01:28:22.359 --> 01:28:24.640
<v Speaker 1>between Hajja I Mean and Hitler was their late November

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01:28:24.720 --> 01:28:27.720
<v Speaker 1>nineteen forty one meeting, which is to say nothing of

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01:28:27.760 --> 01:28:30.520
<v Speaker 1>their language barrier, which would require at least one interpreter

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01:28:30.600 --> 01:28:35.000
<v Speaker 1>to be in the room at all times. However, despite

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01:28:35.039 --> 01:28:38.520
<v Speaker 1>the fact that Ahmed Huber was not the most trustworthy

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01:28:38.560 --> 01:28:42.479
<v Speaker 1>individual given his laughable denials of having any financial associations

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01:28:42.479 --> 01:28:45.800
<v Speaker 1>with al Qaeda, despite all evidence pointing to him having

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01:28:45.840 --> 01:28:49.880
<v Speaker 1>those associations, I am inclined to believe that Huber indeed

1368
01:28:50.000 --> 01:28:53.399
<v Speaker 1>met Haja Mean and aging Mufty did tell this story

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01:28:53.439 --> 01:28:57.520
<v Speaker 1>to Huber in order to impress him, because clearly it

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01:28:57.600 --> 01:29:01.640
<v Speaker 1>did impress him and resonant enough for him to regale

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01:29:01.680 --> 01:29:04.760
<v Speaker 1>it to a political science scholar interviewing him nearly five

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01:29:04.840 --> 01:29:09.640
<v Speaker 1>decades later, significantly earlier than Haja Mean's historical profile began

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01:29:09.680 --> 01:29:13.479
<v Speaker 1>to expand in the early twenty tens. In other words,

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01:29:13.560 --> 01:29:16.960
<v Speaker 1>in my opinion, it's just my opinion, guys, I'm at

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01:29:17.000 --> 01:29:19.720
<v Speaker 1>Huber had little reason to lie to Michael about having

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01:29:19.960 --> 01:29:25.119
<v Speaker 1>heard this story. Nevertheless, I do not believe that we

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01:29:25.119 --> 01:29:28.199
<v Speaker 1>should take Huber's story at face value as the unvarnished

1378
01:29:28.279 --> 01:29:32.319
<v Speaker 1>truth about Haja Mien and Hitler's relationship, especially since it

1379
01:29:32.359 --> 01:29:36.239
<v Speaker 1>makes Haja Mien in his own eyes look good. After all,

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01:29:36.920 --> 01:29:39.880
<v Speaker 1>being the person who caused Adolf Hitler to apologize and

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01:29:39.960 --> 01:29:44.119
<v Speaker 1>say I acted like an uneducated little boy is probably

1382
01:29:44.159 --> 01:29:47.760
<v Speaker 1>one of the biggest quasi humble brags that someone like

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01:29:47.800 --> 01:29:51.920
<v Speaker 1>Haja Mien could make. And Hajja Mien was, as we

1384
01:29:51.960 --> 01:29:56.159
<v Speaker 1>have covered before, in history, impossible, never exactly forthcoming. When

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01:29:56.159 --> 01:29:58.560
<v Speaker 1>it came to telling the truth about his relationship with

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01:29:58.600 --> 01:30:02.720
<v Speaker 1>the Third Reich, especially after the fact, and especially depending

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01:30:02.720 --> 01:30:05.760
<v Speaker 1>on who was talking to him, it behooved him to

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01:30:05.920 --> 01:30:09.680
<v Speaker 1>downplay that relationship to anyone but fellow travelers, And when

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01:30:09.680 --> 01:30:12.680
<v Speaker 1>fellow travelers showed up to his door, it behooved him

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01:30:12.680 --> 01:30:17.159
<v Speaker 1>then to play it up. Most importantly, however, is that

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01:30:17.239 --> 01:30:21.199
<v Speaker 1>it is also highly unlikely that Hitler would even consider

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01:30:21.479 --> 01:30:24.359
<v Speaker 1>making some changes to our ideology, in his supposed words,

1393
01:30:24.399 --> 01:30:27.439
<v Speaker 1>his ideology where he's at the center of it, because

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01:30:27.479 --> 01:30:29.760
<v Speaker 1>he read the Bible for a couple of weeks after

1395
01:30:29.760 --> 01:30:32.000
<v Speaker 1>getting shaken up by a meeting with a Middle Eastern

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01:30:32.039 --> 01:30:35.720
<v Speaker 1>clerical leader he had, based on Huber's telling, only met twice.

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01:30:36.479 --> 01:30:40.279
<v Speaker 1>That's what we're supposed to believe here. And finally, the

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01:30:40.319 --> 01:30:43.159
<v Speaker 1>document that Hubert cites, the so called Testament of Adolf

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01:30:43.279 --> 01:30:47.439
<v Speaker 1>Hitler or the Hitler Bormann documents, has, despite receiving citations

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01:30:47.439 --> 01:30:51.600
<v Speaker 1>from respectable historians like Joachim Fest and Alan Bullock, has

1401
01:30:51.680 --> 01:30:54.640
<v Speaker 1>largely been debunked thanks to the work done by historian

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01:30:54.680 --> 01:30:59.520
<v Speaker 1>Mikhayle Nilssen in twenty eighteen. Hitler's only eleventh hour change

1403
01:30:59.560 --> 01:31:02.399
<v Speaker 1>to his ideaology, and I do not really think this

1404
01:31:02.560 --> 01:31:06.239
<v Speaker 1>was much of a change from Nazism's nihilistic core, was

1405
01:31:06.279 --> 01:31:09.399
<v Speaker 1>his open willingness to let Germans die for failing to

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01:31:09.439 --> 01:31:15.439
<v Speaker 1>meet his vision. The accuracy or inaccuracy of all this interesting,

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01:31:15.520 --> 01:31:18.119
<v Speaker 1>though it is, at least to me, is less relevant

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01:31:18.159 --> 01:31:21.560
<v Speaker 1>for our purposes than what it reveals that the green

1409
01:31:21.640 --> 01:31:25.720
<v Speaker 1>Brown alliance phenomenon goes back exactly to where one at

1410
01:31:25.720 --> 01:31:30.359
<v Speaker 1>this point might well expect the attempted ideological marriage of

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01:31:30.520 --> 01:31:36.279
<v Speaker 1>Islamism and national socialism. Now, this attempt is obviously very

1412
01:31:36.319 --> 01:31:39.640
<v Speaker 1>well covered territory on history impossible, and it does not

1413
01:31:39.800 --> 01:31:42.680
<v Speaker 1>make this any less significant for our story. In fact,

1414
01:31:43.359 --> 01:31:47.640
<v Speaker 1>it illuminates yet another historical through line, starting with some bizarre,

1415
01:31:48.119 --> 01:31:51.479
<v Speaker 1>seemingly new trends in our contemporary era and ending with

1416
01:31:51.520 --> 01:31:54.039
<v Speaker 1>an equally bizarre story from the Second World War that

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01:31:54.119 --> 01:31:57.439
<v Speaker 1>until recently acted as a bit of a strange footnote

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01:31:57.520 --> 01:32:02.560
<v Speaker 1>that bucked every possible assumption about Nazi ideological priorities, and

1419
01:32:02.600 --> 01:32:05.720
<v Speaker 1>that bizarre story has, for better or worse, taken on

1420
01:32:05.880 --> 01:32:09.439
<v Speaker 1>far greater significance, especially in the wake of the growing

1421
01:32:09.560 --> 01:32:13.880
<v Speaker 1>radicalism of the early twenty first century. This can be

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01:32:13.920 --> 01:32:17.279
<v Speaker 1>seen in a letter written by the Nazi Johann von Leers,

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01:32:17.760 --> 01:32:21.000
<v Speaker 1>who changed his name to Omar Amen von Leers after

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01:32:21.039 --> 01:32:25.800
<v Speaker 1>his postwar conversion, an escape to I believe it was Egypt.

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01:32:26.159 --> 01:32:29.640
<v Speaker 1>In this letter, written to his friend, the American Nazi

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01:32:29.640 --> 01:32:33.840
<v Speaker 1>agent and fascist H. Keith Thompson, von Leers saw which

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01:32:33.880 --> 01:32:37.159
<v Speaker 1>way the wind was blowing for anyone who considered themselves

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01:32:37.199 --> 01:32:39.720
<v Speaker 1>an enemy of the New World order. When he wrote

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01:32:39.760 --> 01:32:45.199
<v Speaker 1>the following, the Islamic block today is the only spiritual

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01:32:45.239 --> 01:32:47.840
<v Speaker 1>power in the world fighting for a real religion and

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01:32:47.960 --> 01:32:51.720
<v Speaker 1>human values and freedom. I think sometimes if my nation,

1432
01:32:51.920 --> 01:32:55.840
<v Speaker 1>Nazi Germany, had got Islam instead of Christianity, we should

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01:32:55.920 --> 01:32:57.600
<v Speaker 1>not have had all the traders that we had in

1434
01:32:57.640 --> 01:33:00.600
<v Speaker 1>World War II two million women, and would not have

1435
01:33:00.640 --> 01:33:03.720
<v Speaker 1>been burnt as witches by the Christian churches. There would

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01:33:03.760 --> 01:33:06.279
<v Speaker 1>have been no Thirty Years War which destroyed Germany and

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01:33:06.359 --> 01:33:10.039
<v Speaker 1>killed more than half of our nation. One thing is clear,

1438
01:33:10.720 --> 01:33:13.760
<v Speaker 1>more and more patriotic Germans joined the Great Arab Revolution

1439
01:33:13.840 --> 01:33:19.039
<v Speaker 1>against beastly imperialism. To hell with Christianity, for in Christianity's name,

1440
01:33:19.399 --> 01:33:22.600
<v Speaker 1>Germany has been sold to our pressers. Our place is

1441
01:33:22.600 --> 01:33:26.239
<v Speaker 1>an oppressed nation under the execrable Western colonialist bond government.

1442
01:33:26.720 --> 01:33:29.039
<v Speaker 1>Must be on the side of the Arab nationalist revolt

1443
01:33:29.079 --> 01:33:34.319
<v Speaker 1>against the West I Hammed ul Allah. Indeed, for our

1444
01:33:34.439 --> 01:33:37.439
<v Speaker 1>nation there is only one hope to get rid of

1445
01:33:37.479 --> 01:33:42.640
<v Speaker 1>Western imperialism by joining the Arab led anti imperialist group.

1446
01:33:44.000 --> 01:33:47.000
<v Speaker 4>Now Huber is after a new generation of believer.

1447
01:33:47.279 --> 01:33:51.960
<v Speaker 8>Hitra has always said the only religion I respect is Islam,

1448
01:33:52.520 --> 01:33:56.119
<v Speaker 8>and the only prophet I admire is Mohammed. This is

1449
01:33:56.359 --> 01:33:59.640
<v Speaker 8>very interesting. When I tell these to young Muslims or

1450
01:33:59.640 --> 01:34:03.720
<v Speaker 8>to your so called Neonazis, then they they broke from

1451
01:34:03.760 --> 01:34:04.399
<v Speaker 8>their chairs.

1452
01:34:04.840 --> 01:34:08.479
<v Speaker 16>Hoober's critics worried that growing numbers of third positionists could

1453
01:34:08.520 --> 01:34:11.199
<v Speaker 16>forge a new transnational terrorist threat.

1454
01:34:11.479 --> 01:34:16.800
<v Speaker 17>Hoober's connections go from Tehran to the United States to Germany.

1455
01:34:17.119 --> 01:34:22.079
<v Speaker 16>Hoober insists he is not anti Semitic, just anti Zionists. However,

1456
01:34:22.159 --> 01:34:23.840
<v Speaker 16>his statements suggests otherwise.

1457
01:34:23.960 --> 01:34:28.319
<v Speaker 8>As we say United States of America, we say Jui York.

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01:34:28.520 --> 01:34:31.680
<v Speaker 16>Hooper says he admires the American people, not their government,

1459
01:34:32.039 --> 01:34:37.000
<v Speaker 16>and rejects terrorism. But listen to what he says about

1460
01:34:37.000 --> 01:34:38.960
<v Speaker 16>the September eleventh Kentagon attack.

1461
01:34:39.560 --> 01:34:42.560
<v Speaker 8>If they kill a few American generals in the Pentagon,

1462
01:34:42.920 --> 01:34:45.520
<v Speaker 8>I don't feel very sorry, because these guys have done

1463
01:34:45.560 --> 01:34:48.439
<v Speaker 8>a lot of trouble in the Muslim world, in the sud.

1464
01:34:48.359 --> 01:34:50.520
<v Speaker 4>World, and on the subject of al Qaeda.

1465
01:34:50.680 --> 01:34:55.039
<v Speaker 8>Our guide as a very honorable organization. I mean, apart

1466
01:34:55.119 --> 01:34:56.439
<v Speaker 8>from some things they did.

1467
01:34:56.560 --> 01:34:58.760
<v Speaker 4>Bin Laden and Hitler two men.

1468
01:34:58.880 --> 01:35:03.000
<v Speaker 16>Huber admires two agendas, rooted and hate and embraced as

1469
01:35:03.079 --> 01:35:05.279
<v Speaker 16>one the third position.

1470
01:35:05.439 --> 01:35:08.079
<v Speaker 4>An emerging threat which dangerous potential.

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01:35:09.920 --> 01:35:15.079
<v Speaker 1>In nineteen seventy nine, the Iranian Revolution exploded into being.

1472
01:35:15.720 --> 01:35:19.560
<v Speaker 1>Beginning as a carnival of opposition. Were the most improbable bedfellows.

1473
01:35:19.680 --> 01:35:25.079
<v Speaker 1>That is, leftist intellectuals, socialist ideologues, and Islamist agitators found

1474
01:35:25.159 --> 01:35:28.600
<v Speaker 1>common cause in toppling a regime that they each believed

1475
01:35:28.600 --> 01:35:32.840
<v Speaker 1>to be beyond saving thanks to corruption and servility to

1476
01:35:32.920 --> 01:35:36.079
<v Speaker 1>what the Islamists came to call the Great Satan i e.

1477
01:35:36.199 --> 01:35:41.439
<v Speaker 1>The United States, many forget thanks to what the triumphant

1478
01:35:41.520 --> 01:35:44.920
<v Speaker 1>regime would come to resemble that in those early days,

1479
01:35:45.560 --> 01:35:48.960
<v Speaker 1>banners flourished that bore the iconography of Marx and Lenin

1480
01:35:49.000 --> 01:35:52.520
<v Speaker 1>as readily as the Iyatola Kamane, promising a new dawn

1481
01:35:52.600 --> 01:35:58.039
<v Speaker 1>for the country's disaffected and dispossessed. Revolutionaries of all types

1482
01:35:58.159 --> 01:36:01.600
<v Speaker 1>crowded into clandestine apartment and meeting halls, and they created

1483
01:36:02.039 --> 01:36:06.199
<v Speaker 1>a fragile unity, convinced that the supposed tyrant that was

1484
01:36:06.279 --> 01:36:09.880
<v Speaker 1>the Shaw's demise would surely herald a government as diverse

1485
01:36:09.920 --> 01:36:13.880
<v Speaker 1>and plural as those who rose against it. But history,

1486
01:36:14.399 --> 01:36:18.760
<v Speaker 1>ever favoring the cynic, has very little patience for such sentimentalism.

1487
01:36:20.560 --> 01:36:24.119
<v Speaker 1>When the Shaw's throne was finally toppled, the Mullahs proved

1488
01:36:24.359 --> 01:36:27.880
<v Speaker 1>far less inclined to share their power than to consolidate it.

1489
01:36:28.800 --> 01:36:31.800
<v Speaker 1>The Islami's boot came down, and it came down hard

1490
01:36:32.439 --> 01:36:37.000
<v Speaker 1>on their former comrades. Censorship, suppression of publications, and banning

1491
01:36:37.039 --> 01:36:41.720
<v Speaker 1>of leftist organizations soon gave way to mass purges and executions,

1492
01:36:42.399 --> 01:36:46.119
<v Speaker 1>usually accompanied by, perhaps ironically the most socialist of all

1493
01:36:46.159 --> 01:36:50.119
<v Speaker 1>mockeries of a liberal justice system, i e. The Show Trial.

1494
01:36:51.119 --> 01:36:55.680
<v Speaker 1>Thousands of socialists, communists, and other non Islamist revolutionaries were

1495
01:36:55.720 --> 01:36:58.960
<v Speaker 1>imprisoned or killed between nineteen seventy nine and the early

1496
01:36:59.039 --> 01:37:02.800
<v Speaker 1>nineteen eighties, with some scholars determining it to be upwards

1497
01:37:02.800 --> 01:37:09.319
<v Speaker 1>of thirty thousand. In essence, Chromene's disciples, having transformed proletarian

1498
01:37:09.399 --> 01:37:14.000
<v Speaker 1>fury into a clerical dictatorship, offered their supposed comrades not

1499
01:37:14.079 --> 01:37:17.479
<v Speaker 1>the spoils of revolution, but the gallows, or, in the

1500
01:37:17.520 --> 01:37:21.560
<v Speaker 1>case of the regime, cranes. The story of the Iranian

1501
01:37:21.600 --> 01:37:25.560
<v Speaker 1>Revolution of nineteen seventy nine turned from one about solidarity

1502
01:37:26.159 --> 01:37:29.760
<v Speaker 1>to one really about betrayal, as the revolution devoured its

1503
01:37:29.800 --> 01:37:32.960
<v Speaker 1>own children with zeal that would likely have looked very

1504
01:37:33.000 --> 01:37:38.600
<v Speaker 1>familiar to someone like Maximilian Robespierre. Now I tell this

1505
01:37:38.680 --> 01:37:42.119
<v Speaker 1>story not just because Iran is in the news and

1506
01:37:42.800 --> 01:37:46.359
<v Speaker 1>could quite possibly be facing a true second revolution very

1507
01:37:46.399 --> 01:37:49.399
<v Speaker 1>soon in twenty twenty six. I don't tell the story

1508
01:37:49.399 --> 01:37:52.439
<v Speaker 1>because of that. I tell it to illustrate the core

1509
01:37:52.479 --> 01:37:57.239
<v Speaker 1>reason why despite this interesting tales implications that it is

1510
01:37:57.279 --> 01:38:01.119
<v Speaker 1>good to feel skepticism about the life long term prospects

1511
01:38:01.319 --> 01:38:04.880
<v Speaker 1>of a supposed green brown alliance, or a red green

1512
01:38:04.920 --> 01:38:08.760
<v Speaker 1>alliance for that matter, As can be seen from the

1513
01:38:08.800 --> 01:38:12.239
<v Speaker 1>story of Iran, when the dust settles and the radicals

1514
01:38:12.239 --> 01:38:14.720
<v Speaker 1>realize it's now time to fight one another over what

1515
01:38:14.880 --> 01:38:18.720
<v Speaker 1>is left, this often leads to the self destruction of

1516
01:38:18.760 --> 01:38:22.840
<v Speaker 1>that coalition. There may be a darkly amusing irony to that,

1517
01:38:22.960 --> 01:38:27.279
<v Speaker 1>but in the end that shared hatred has still been eradicated,

1518
01:38:27.319 --> 01:38:30.479
<v Speaker 1>and untold amounts of collateral damage has likely resulted and

1519
01:38:30.520 --> 01:38:35.000
<v Speaker 1>will continue to result from the beginning. Running the risk

1520
01:38:35.039 --> 01:38:37.920
<v Speaker 1>of stating it too bluntly, this seems to be the

1521
01:38:38.000 --> 01:38:41.199
<v Speaker 1>law of physics that undergirds the principle of the enemy

1522
01:38:41.319 --> 01:38:45.039
<v Speaker 1>of my enemy is my friend. Thus it is fair

1523
01:38:45.079 --> 01:38:47.800
<v Speaker 1>to be skeptical of such alliance as bearing any meaningful

1524
01:38:47.840 --> 01:38:51.640
<v Speaker 1>long term fruit. The potential for such a coalition in

1525
01:38:51.680 --> 01:38:56.359
<v Speaker 1>mainstream politics remains unlikely, especially in Europe. Too many far

1526
01:38:56.479 --> 01:38:59.560
<v Speaker 1>right and generally right wing governments and political parties like

1527
01:38:59.640 --> 01:39:02.000
<v Speaker 1>I've done in Germany who I mentioned earlier, or PVV

1528
01:39:02.199 --> 01:39:05.560
<v Speaker 1>in the Netherlands, or National Rally in France or FIDEZ

1529
01:39:05.600 --> 01:39:09.359
<v Speaker 1>in Hungary, to name just a few, have made stemming

1530
01:39:09.439 --> 01:39:12.439
<v Speaker 1>the tide of immigrants from Muscle majority countries a major

1531
01:39:12.600 --> 01:39:16.159
<v Speaker 1>plank of their platform. The same has largely been a

1532
01:39:16.199 --> 01:39:18.560
<v Speaker 1>case here in the United States with the Republican Party,

1533
01:39:18.840 --> 01:39:22.199
<v Speaker 1>though with a broader animist toward immigration seeming to characterize things,

1534
01:39:22.279 --> 01:39:27.640
<v Speaker 1>especially during this second Trump administration. So there is a

1535
01:39:27.640 --> 01:39:29.840
<v Speaker 1>barrier to entry, and it's a pretty big one. And

1536
01:39:29.920 --> 01:39:32.319
<v Speaker 1>this barrier for entry for such an alliance was actually

1537
01:39:32.319 --> 01:39:37.399
<v Speaker 1>bemoaned by the far right Islamist figures profiled earlier. Jurgen Graff,

1538
01:39:37.520 --> 01:39:40.560
<v Speaker 1>or praising Islam, referred to it as to quote fundamentally

1539
01:39:40.600 --> 01:39:44.399
<v Speaker 1>alien to European culture and thought unquote to be accepted

1540
01:39:44.399 --> 01:39:46.960
<v Speaker 1>by right wing parties who he believed needed to understand

1541
01:39:46.960 --> 01:39:51.359
<v Speaker 1>the tactical alliance. More radical Muslims could provide against globalists

1542
01:39:51.399 --> 01:39:56.359
<v Speaker 1>and Jewish interests, and David Mayat the guy who became

1543
01:39:56.439 --> 01:39:59.159
<v Speaker 1>Abdullah Ziz and then went back to being David Mayat.

1544
01:39:59.199 --> 01:40:03.399
<v Speaker 1>He claimed that right wing politicians like the Lipennz in France,

1545
01:40:03.479 --> 01:40:06.840
<v Speaker 1>making a quote unquote political capital out of taking quote

1546
01:40:06.880 --> 01:40:11.720
<v Speaker 1>an anti Muslim pose was contrary to honor and reason unquote,

1547
01:40:12.800 --> 01:40:16.520
<v Speaker 1>and Ahmed Huber more charitably called it a quote misunderstanding

1548
01:40:16.560 --> 01:40:19.960
<v Speaker 1>on both sides unquote, and even seems to agree with

1549
01:40:20.039 --> 01:40:23.079
<v Speaker 1>the idea that many immigrations skeptics in Europe have expressed

1550
01:40:23.319 --> 01:40:26.640
<v Speaker 1>that quote many Muslims who come did not really integrate

1551
01:40:26.640 --> 01:40:29.960
<v Speaker 1>into Western society for a simple reason unquote. But he

1552
01:40:30.119 --> 01:40:34.399
<v Speaker 1>sees this as the obvious failure of Western society on

1553
01:40:34.479 --> 01:40:38.359
<v Speaker 1>a deeper moral level, not to integrate these newcomers or

1554
01:40:38.359 --> 01:40:43.039
<v Speaker 1>even accommodate them, but rather to submit to the new

1555
01:40:43.199 --> 01:40:45.840
<v Speaker 1>moral structure of Islam and bring them closer to the

1556
01:40:45.920 --> 01:40:51.359
<v Speaker 1>vision Hitler had for the European continent. Other far right

1557
01:40:51.399 --> 01:40:54.560
<v Speaker 1>activists and writers like Kevin MacDonald, Sam Francis, and Michael

1558
01:40:54.560 --> 01:40:59.039
<v Speaker 1>Collins Piper also expressed skepticism, much of it regretful that

1559
01:40:59.079 --> 01:41:04.720
<v Speaker 1>such an alliance could be meaningfully formed and maintained. This

1560
01:41:04.800 --> 01:41:06.920
<v Speaker 1>is at least partly why it does not really matter

1561
01:41:06.960 --> 01:41:11.000
<v Speaker 1>how dangerous a green brown alliance actually is, or for

1562
01:41:11.039 --> 01:41:14.319
<v Speaker 1>that matter, how dangerous the often observed red green alliance

1563
01:41:14.359 --> 01:41:19.319
<v Speaker 1>actually is. Clearly, there is more respectability to be found

1564
01:41:19.720 --> 01:41:22.279
<v Speaker 1>in what has become a functional red green alliance thanks

1565
01:41:22.319 --> 01:41:26.760
<v Speaker 1>to the ideological makeup and nature of cultural institutions like academia,

1566
01:41:27.279 --> 01:41:29.640
<v Speaker 1>as well as a long standing leftist tradition of supporting

1567
01:41:29.640 --> 01:41:33.920
<v Speaker 1>the Palestinian cause. While most historically far right ideologies remain

1568
01:41:34.000 --> 01:41:40.119
<v Speaker 1>relatively discredited regardless of the alliances they made, However, the

1569
01:41:40.159 --> 01:41:43.600
<v Speaker 1>Western left's long standing tradition of taking the so called

1570
01:41:43.640 --> 01:41:48.039
<v Speaker 1>anti Zionist position provided enough credibility to fast and loose

1571
01:41:48.079 --> 01:41:51.800
<v Speaker 1>criticisms of Israel and Israelis, while also delegitimizing criticism of

1572
01:41:51.880 --> 01:41:55.399
<v Speaker 1>radical Islam that it clearly helped move the Overton window

1573
01:41:55.479 --> 01:41:59.560
<v Speaker 1>in such a way that the so called vexatious Jewish

1574
01:41:59.680 --> 01:42:03.479
<v Speaker 1>quest could start to actually gain traction from far right

1575
01:42:03.520 --> 01:42:09.760
<v Speaker 1>figures in the modern day like Nick Fuentes and Tucker Carlson. Nevertheless,

1576
01:42:10.399 --> 01:42:14.119
<v Speaker 1>neither alliance is in any meaningful sense dangerous, at least

1577
01:42:14.119 --> 01:42:18.039
<v Speaker 1>not yet at the end of the day, speech is speech,

1578
01:42:18.359 --> 01:42:20.520
<v Speaker 1>and speech is free, at least in the United States.

1579
01:42:22.000 --> 01:42:26.119
<v Speaker 1>The purpose in noting and dissecting the Green Brown Alliance

1580
01:42:26.399 --> 01:42:28.520
<v Speaker 1>in this special episode is not to highlight that it

1581
01:42:28.600 --> 01:42:32.840
<v Speaker 1>is the true danger. It is to highlight intellectual heritage

1582
01:42:32.840 --> 01:42:37.800
<v Speaker 1>in order to better understand the nature of radicalism itself.

1583
01:42:39.680 --> 01:42:43.039
<v Speaker 1>When it comes down to it, radicalism purports to be

1584
01:42:43.239 --> 01:42:47.760
<v Speaker 1>about a greater cause, a larger end goal, a utopia.

1585
01:42:49.760 --> 01:42:53.239
<v Speaker 1>Those causes and goals of utopia certainly exist and are sincere.

1586
01:42:53.399 --> 01:42:57.319
<v Speaker 1>But the thing is that a utopia has never existed.

1587
01:42:58.079 --> 01:43:02.560
<v Speaker 1>It has no analog. The behavioral history and intellectual heritage

1588
01:43:02.560 --> 01:43:06.239
<v Speaker 1>of radicals does exist, however, and it is always animated

1589
01:43:06.279 --> 01:43:11.079
<v Speaker 1>by the same impulse to form contradictory alliances based solely

1590
01:43:11.119 --> 01:43:14.960
<v Speaker 1>on shared hatred and a desire to eradicate that hatred.

1591
01:43:16.479 --> 01:43:19.560
<v Speaker 1>In the case of these alliances, that enemy is indeed

1592
01:43:19.600 --> 01:43:22.039
<v Speaker 1>the Jews, whether as a people or as a nation.

1593
01:43:22.640 --> 01:43:25.720
<v Speaker 1>Though there are larger, more abstract forces and symbols that

1594
01:43:25.760 --> 01:43:31.680
<v Speaker 1>they all oppose capitalism, globalism, the West. These three forces

1595
01:43:31.680 --> 01:43:37.039
<v Speaker 1>and symbols represent the antithesis to all three totalitarianism's ideas

1596
01:43:37.079 --> 01:43:40.760
<v Speaker 1>of utopia, and that matters far more than the fundamental

1597
01:43:40.760 --> 01:43:46.680
<v Speaker 1>differences between their respective utopias. It is the powerful critiques

1598
01:43:46.760 --> 01:43:50.920
<v Speaker 1>of these forces that attracts people to totalitarian ideology, whether

1599
01:43:50.960 --> 01:43:55.760
<v Speaker 1>it's red, brown, or green. But seeing this unity of

1600
01:43:55.800 --> 01:44:00.920
<v Speaker 1>purpose between contradictory ideological projects reveals that the appeals only

1601
01:44:00.960 --> 01:44:05.920
<v Speaker 1>really work in ideological isolation. When it is made obvious

1602
01:44:06.119 --> 01:44:09.880
<v Speaker 1>what the shared DNA or political psychological impulse is with

1603
01:44:09.920 --> 01:44:13.920
<v Speaker 1>all these ideologies, it might start to seem less appealing,

1604
01:44:14.119 --> 01:44:19.560
<v Speaker 1>at least to the more thoughtful among us. Thus, understanding

1605
01:44:19.560 --> 01:44:22.880
<v Speaker 1>the common ground that these ideologies can forge despite their

1606
01:44:22.960 --> 01:44:26.279
<v Speaker 1>fundamental differences is what helps discredit them, at least for

1607
01:44:26.359 --> 01:44:29.439
<v Speaker 1>anyone who appreciates what remains of liberal values in our

1608
01:44:29.439 --> 01:44:37.039
<v Speaker 1>world today. Unfortunately, many people, particularly those drawn toward contrarianism

1609
01:44:37.359 --> 01:44:41.039
<v Speaker 1>and an unwillingness to modify or even let go of

1610
01:44:41.079 --> 01:44:44.319
<v Speaker 1>their beliefs that they hold dear, will be more likely

1611
01:44:45.039 --> 01:44:48.760
<v Speaker 1>to see something compelling in these disparate ideologies sharing their hatreds.

1612
01:44:49.840 --> 01:44:52.159
<v Speaker 1>If they can all agree on what the problem is

1613
01:44:52.920 --> 01:44:56.399
<v Speaker 1>despite hating each other, this hypothetical person reasons, then they

1614
01:44:56.479 --> 01:45:01.560
<v Speaker 1>must be onto something. This is attempting because it is

1615
01:45:01.600 --> 01:45:04.039
<v Speaker 1>a compelling story, Especially in the heat of the moment,

1616
01:45:05.520 --> 01:45:09.279
<v Speaker 1>it can feel good to see opposing signs of one

1617
01:45:09.399 --> 01:45:14.399
<v Speaker 1>argument come together in unity over another. We're drawn towards

1618
01:45:14.439 --> 01:45:16.800
<v Speaker 1>that kind of thing because it makes us believe that

1619
01:45:16.840 --> 01:45:19.479
<v Speaker 1>we can be friends with anybody, and that feels good

1620
01:45:19.479 --> 01:45:23.159
<v Speaker 1>to think about now. Because of that, maybe it will

1621
01:45:23.159 --> 01:45:26.439
<v Speaker 1>continue to be attempting fiction, especially in our age of

1622
01:45:26.560 --> 01:45:28.680
<v Speaker 1>novelty seeking, which I think is a bit higher these

1623
01:45:28.760 --> 01:45:31.399
<v Speaker 1>days too, both in ourselves and in the content we consume.

1624
01:45:32.840 --> 01:45:37.680
<v Speaker 1>Because even further to the point, contradiction, esthetic, ideological or

1625
01:45:37.680 --> 01:45:40.399
<v Speaker 1>otherwise is indeed novel, and humans do not appear to

1626
01:45:40.439 --> 01:45:44.159
<v Speaker 1>be in any hurry to get over that tendency. And

1627
01:45:44.239 --> 01:45:48.079
<v Speaker 1>yet behind the novelty lies a very familiar tale, and

1628
01:45:48.119 --> 01:45:51.479
<v Speaker 1>that story has been told many many times throughout history,

1629
01:45:51.520 --> 01:45:54.600
<v Speaker 1>and it rarely, if ever, looks appealing after the fact.

1630
01:45:56.840 --> 01:46:01.600
<v Speaker 1>This is why another more particular story from seventeen ninety four,

1631
01:46:01.920 --> 01:46:06.039
<v Speaker 1>and in France of all places, comes to mind. Despite

1632
01:46:06.039 --> 01:46:09.960
<v Speaker 1>the time and place, and despite how our culture has

1633
01:46:10.079 --> 01:46:13.359
<v Speaker 1>tended to regard this time and place, it is not

1634
01:46:13.439 --> 01:46:17.600
<v Speaker 1>a romantic story. In fact, it carries with it the

1635
01:46:17.640 --> 01:46:23.159
<v Speaker 1>same stark nastiness as most stories involving revolution or civil war,

1636
01:46:23.359 --> 01:46:26.399
<v Speaker 1>other things for which our contemporary radicals appear to constantly

1637
01:46:26.479 --> 01:46:31.000
<v Speaker 1>yearn Much had happened to lead to this story, and

1638
01:46:31.239 --> 01:46:35.159
<v Speaker 1>much followed, But I have always believed this particular moment

1639
01:46:35.199 --> 01:46:40.319
<v Speaker 1>in France's famous or infamous late eighteenth century revolution serves

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<v Speaker 1>as a great object lesson, perhaps a reality check for

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<v Speaker 1>those among us that believe the way of the radical

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<v Speaker 1>contradictory alliances based on shared hatreds and all is the

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<v Speaker 1>only way forward. When he was placed upon the execution

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<v Speaker 1>platform about to have his head removed from his body,

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<v Speaker 1>the radical French revolutionary Maximilian Robespierre did not deliver a

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<v Speaker 1>moving speech or utter any famous last words of defiance

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<v Speaker 1>against those he might have once considered friends and comrades.

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<v Speaker 1>In fact, he did not say any words at all.

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<v Speaker 1>Robespierre had tried to shoot himself to escape justice, but

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<v Speaker 1>only managed to shatter and mangle his jaw in the process.

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<v Speaker 1>His face had been wrapped in bandages to keep his

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<v Speaker 1>jaw in place after a military doctor removed a few

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<v Speaker 1>of his teeth in pieces of the job over posterity.

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<v Speaker 1>When he arrived at the guillotine, the executioner removed the

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<v Speaker 1>bandage and no words left the revolutionary. Instead, all that

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<v Speaker 1>the gathered crowd heard was a primal scream of pain.

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<v Speaker 7>Folks say that you found someone new to do the

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01:47:55.119 --> 01:48:00.960
<v Speaker 7>things I used to do for you. Oh my name,

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<v Speaker 7>I'm not a shame. I come running back to you.

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<v Speaker 7>Can sleep at night. I can't eat a bite when

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<v Speaker 7>you were mine, I didn't treat you right. Just call

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<v Speaker 7>my name. I know my shame. I come running back

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<v Speaker 7>to you just like a king and never lost it.

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<v Speaker 10>To read the good faith argument about how to get

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<v Speaker 10>there except a few, and they're the ones running around

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<v Speaker 10>calling everyone an anti sem. But everyone else is like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 10>of course that tould me the.

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<v Speaker 7>Debate and they'll vote for you.

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<v Speaker 10>They want them because they know they haven't had that.

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<v Speaker 10>That's the fact. And what you're watching now attacking people

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<v Speaker 10>on the attacking millions of Americans.

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<v Speaker 7>Because they're Muslims. It's disgusting. And I'm a Christian.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm not a Muslim.

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<v Speaker 10>Never I know there's a lot of everage claim I'm

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<v Speaker 10>a secret g hotey.

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<v Speaker 7>I'm not.

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<v Speaker 10>Oh go hate each other when we loot the treasury.

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01:49:06.079 --> 01:49:08.960
<v Speaker 10>That's exactly what's going on, and most people are totally

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<v Speaker 10>I remember hearing someone on towards and see that at

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<v Speaker 10>the time, and like we had all these endless experts,

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01:49:14.680 --> 01:49:16.880
<v Speaker 10>most of them CIA but whatever.

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<v Speaker 4>I realized that later.

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<v Speaker 10>But He's like, you know what this means, submission and

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<v Speaker 10>like let it hang in the air like that was

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<v Speaker 10>self evidently disgusting, and I was like, I think submission

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<v Speaker 10>to God is like the wonderful if say anything.

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<v Speaker 4>I was like, I don't think I was against that

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<v Speaker 4>anyone who submits.

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<v Speaker 7>To God, Like stop, just call my name, I come running.

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<v Speaker 4>Fuck Tucker, Tucker sucks.

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<v Speaker 1>Hello again, everybody, thanks for tuning in really quick. Give

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<v Speaker 1>a shout out to some of the people who have

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<v Speaker 1>been kind and generous enough to support History Impossible through

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<v Speaker 1>all of this. They include Bob Downing, Sam Graham, Greg Hunter,

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<v Speaker 1>s O, Skip Pachaco, Molly Pan, John Pisono on a

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<v Speaker 1>r PJ Raider, Matthew m Rice, Philip Rice, Emily Schmidt,

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<v Speaker 1>Pure Vopuni, and as always, FU think I've gotten good

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<v Speaker 1>at rattling off those names really quickly, and I really

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<v Speaker 1>appreciate all of you and the rest of you who

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<v Speaker 1>support this show. Again, if you really like what I'm

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<v Speaker 1>subscriber today. This episode was a nice bonus to add

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<v Speaker 1>on to the end. I guess we could say of

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01:50:44.439 --> 01:50:49.039
<v Speaker 1>the last episode, the handshar episode, that I hope you

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<v Speaker 1>have gotten around to listening to, but don't blame you

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<v Speaker 1>if you haven't, because again, it is, you know, almost

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01:50:53.880 --> 01:50:56.560
<v Speaker 1>six and a half hours long, so I'm always looking

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01:50:56.640 --> 01:51:00.720
<v Speaker 1>to beat my record, I guess. But anyway, this one, though,

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<v Speaker 1>was a big surprise for me to learn about this

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01:51:04.600 --> 01:51:07.479
<v Speaker 1>subject as much as I did, and it all kind

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01:51:07.479 --> 01:51:10.600
<v Speaker 1>of made sense for me. And if you have any

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01:51:10.640 --> 01:51:14.680
<v Speaker 1>thoughts on that or thought I missed anything, please do

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<v Speaker 1>not hesitate to reach out to me History Impossible at

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<v Speaker 1>gmail dot com, any of the social media platforms, and

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01:51:20.640 --> 01:51:24.239
<v Speaker 1>I will respond as quickly as possible. So with all

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<v Speaker 1>that said, I don't think there's really much else to

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<v Speaker 1>notify here for all of you. We have more stuff

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<v Speaker 1>coming very soon, and I'm hoping to get some more

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<v Speaker 1>good interviews coming. I know we have at least one

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<v Speaker 1>that is going to follow this episode, but please stay

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<v Speaker 1>tuned and thank you again for listening and all of

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<v Speaker 1>your support
