Speaker 1: Hi.
Speaker 2: I'm Larry Korea, author of Indefense at the Second Amendment,
Speaker 2: and you were listening to the Doctor Sky Experience on
Speaker 2: Talk Radio seventy seven WABC.
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Speaker 3: and today, ladies and gentlemen, we do indeed have another
Speaker 3: one of those. We'll be talking about the crisis going
Speaker 3: on today with the Second Amendment, and who other that
Speaker 3: can speak best about it? Is a brand new book
Speaker 3: by Larry Korea. This particular book by Regnary Press. It's
Speaker 3: entitled in Defense of the Second Amendment, and a little
Speaker 3: background on this particular book is in order a part
Speaker 3: of a Second Amendment? Don't you understand? That's the question
Speaker 3: posed by award winning New York Times bestselling author and
Speaker 3: professional firearms instructor Larry Korea, drawing on his practical experience,
Speaker 3: is the owner of a high end gun store catering
Speaker 3: to both law enforcement and private gun owners. He's a
Speaker 3: competitive shooter and a self defense trainer. Korea blasts apart
Speaker 3: the emotion laden's logic free rhetoric the gun control fanatics
Speaker 3: who turn every mass shooting into an occasion for violating
Speaker 3: your rights and abusing the Constitution while doing nothing to
Speaker 3: fight crime.
Speaker 1: A little bit of.
Speaker 3: Background on our special guests in order too. Larry Correa
Speaker 3: is mentioned as a best selling novelist, famous for his
Speaker 3: Monster Hunter series, is a popular blogger who writes frequently
Speaker 3: about Second Amendment rights. His famous essay an Opinion on
Speaker 3: Gun Control was an internet sensation with more than a
Speaker 3: million reads, and he is written for national publications on
Speaker 3: gun laws and self defense. And he proudly lives with
Speaker 3: his family in Utah. Larry Korea, Welcome to the Doctor
Speaker 3: Sky Experience here on Talk Radio seventy seven WABC.
Speaker 1: How are you, sir.
Speaker 2: I am doing fantastic. Thank you very much for having
Speaker 2: me on. I really appreciate this.
Speaker 3: You know, we both have something in common and I
Speaker 3: want to share this with the audience. This interview is
Speaker 3: not about me, it's about you. But for the people
Speaker 3: who don't know my background myself, I'm a licensed firearm instructor,
Speaker 3: been involved in the firearms industry for a long time,
Speaker 3: spent a little time in the law enforcement world with
Speaker 3: the Maricopa County Sheriff's Office for some twenty two years
Speaker 3: in their QAP program, which is the Arm Posse program,
Speaker 3: and also spending a lot of time talking at different
Speaker 3: gun shows, and of course spending time in the firearm industry.
Speaker 3: But Larry, it's all about you now for the rest
Speaker 3: of the show. In defense of the Second Amendment. Talk
Speaker 3: about this because this is your first book on this
Speaker 3: particular subject, or tell us a little bit more about that.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I'm a novelist by trade. That's what I do.
Speaker 2: I've written twenty five books, mostly science fiction fantasy thrillers.
Speaker 2: I'm pretty successful author.
Speaker 1: But before I.
Speaker 2: Became a writer, I was in the gun business, and
Speaker 2: I was a firearms instructor like yourself. I was a
Speaker 2: going to see a weapons instructor. I was a machine
Speaker 2: store owner. I actually was what's called an SOT title seven.
Speaker 2: That's someone who's can manufacturing machine guns and suppressors. I
Speaker 2: did that for a long time. I worked in various
Speaker 2: capacity of the gun industry, and I was a defense
Speaker 2: contractor on the finance side. Not cool stuff. That's my background.
Speaker 2: And then I got to the writing and I took
Speaker 2: off and I was very, very successful. Many years later,
Speaker 2: Regnery was looking at putting out a book about the
Speaker 2: Second Amendment in defense of it, and it was due
Speaker 2: to the bruined Supreme Court decision which was looming, and
Speaker 2: they said, who do we know who's a really good
Speaker 2: writer who can talk to regular people. We don't want
Speaker 2: to book this academic. We don't want to book this,
Speaker 2: you know, for statisticians. We want to be able to
Speaker 2: just tell a story and talk to people and talk
Speaker 2: to what the Second Amendment means and why it's important.
Speaker 2: Who do we know who's a good writer who is
Speaker 2: also a gun guy and really knows the stuff. And
Speaker 2: one of the editors had worked on some of my
Speaker 2: thrillers and my science fiction and he said, Hey, you
Speaker 2: know a guy. I this guy he sleeps, lives, and
Speaker 2: breathes guns for thirty years and he's a writer. And
Speaker 2: so they asked me if I would do this. I
Speaker 2: was super happy to be given the opportunity. I'm a
Speaker 2: huge believer in self defense. I'm self defense. I'm a
Speaker 2: huge believer in the Second Amendment, and for me, it
Speaker 2: was a great opportunity and so I was super excited
Speaker 2: to take it. And the book has just come out
Speaker 2: and it's doing phenomenal and people are very excited. And
Speaker 2: my goal is just kind of to move the negle
Speaker 2: and help on this debate and reach out to people
Speaker 2: who might be on the fence and also people who
Speaker 2: are already on my side. I want to arm them
Speaker 2: with facts and help them articulate good arguments. Everybody's got
Speaker 2: somebody in their life that they can sway.
Speaker 3: Absolutely absolutely, Lari, and it's great to have you here.
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Speaker 3: Our producer here was Richard Dugan, and we thank him
Speaker 3: for his talent in making this particular episode available. Let's
Speaker 3: go back to something that you and I know pretty
Speaker 3: much my heart. But the folks out there, I think
Speaker 3: they should really take a look at the words that
Speaker 3: are behind the Second Amendment, those twenty seven sacred words.
Speaker 1: And here we go again.
Speaker 3: A well regulated militia being necessary.
Speaker 1: To the security of a free state.
Speaker 3: The right of the people to keep and bare arms
Speaker 3: shall not be infringed. Now that's something that we hear,
Speaker 3: but in your book, let's start off from the basics,
Speaker 3: because so many people out there, they may be a
Speaker 3: first time firearm purchaser, or how about this, in various
Speaker 3: parts of the nation or maybe even around the world,
Speaker 3: there are people that are totally denied their rights. And
Speaker 3: you don't have to live in a far off land
Speaker 3: to be denied your firearm rights. Let's zoom in on
Speaker 3: the home of Talk Radio seventy seven WABC out of
Speaker 3: New York city and apropos. Of course, let's talk about
Speaker 3: this Supreme Court decision that happened back in June, and
Speaker 3: let's go into it a little more of the New
Speaker 3: York State Rifle Association versus RUIN. Talk to us about
Speaker 3: what this is, what the problem was before, and what
Speaker 3: the Supreme Court decided.
Speaker 2: Well, basically what we're looking at is there was or
Speaker 2: three types of concealed carry laws in America. And there
Speaker 2: was what's called constitutional carry, where you could carry a
Speaker 2: gun if you were a law abiding citizen, you were
Speaker 2: good to go. You didn't need to go through any process,
Speaker 2: and those states very common or twenty five states that
Speaker 2: have that. Now, then there was what was called shall issue,
Speaker 2: and that was the state would give you a concealed
Speaker 2: weapons permit if you were a law abiding citizen and
Speaker 2: you applied. They would give it to pretty much everybody
Speaker 2: who met the basic criteria. Then there was what's called
Speaker 2: may issue, and that was states like New York, California,
Speaker 2: and these were states that have extreme restrictions upon who
Speaker 2: was allowed to have guns and who was allowed to
Speaker 2: carry guns in public. And what those almost always turned
Speaker 2: into were very bigoted skin teams were usually there were
Speaker 2: there was pay to play, so if you were rich
Speaker 2: and politically connected, you could get a concealed weapons permit,
Speaker 2: but if you are just a regular guy with a
Speaker 2: regular job, you're out of lot. We've also seen where
Speaker 2: these were racist, where the locus is up to the
Speaker 2: locals on whether they would issue these permits or not,
Speaker 2: and they would be straight up bigoted if there was
Speaker 2: somebody who came in from a demographic that didn't care
Speaker 2: for no permit for you, and if it's somebody they
Speaker 2: liked to give them a permit. So it was a
Speaker 2: horrible system, right for abuse, right for cronyism, right for bribery.
Speaker 2: This is not New York, but Santa Clara, California got
Speaker 2: busted where they were just basically selling these to the
Speaker 2: highest bidder so that only people in that particular county
Speaker 2: that could get a permit, where tech company executives from
Speaker 2: Silicon Valley and I think some NBA players, right, and
Speaker 2: some nepotism involved in there obviously too. I mean, if
Speaker 2: you know somebody, and that's a disgrace because you and
Speaker 2: I both as instructors, you know, we put our time
Speaker 2: into this and I really enjoy this book and I
Speaker 2: want people to get it because you go into this
Speaker 2: and talk about so many aspects. I call it the
Speaker 2: common Sense Guide the gun ownership too. And really, I
Speaker 2: don't know if anybody's ever thrown those words directly at you,
Speaker 2: but I am taking the liberty in this particular interview.
Speaker 2: I've read the book from front to back, a little
Speaker 2: more than two hundred pages latest gentlemen, but a fun
Speaker 2: read and most important, what lerry, an informative read. And
Speaker 2: I see where it's basically geared to. It's not just
Speaker 2: geared to the you know, the person who's an expert
Speaker 2: marksman or somebody who does like ipsic shooting.
Speaker 3: It's geared to people who may be venturing down the
Speaker 3: path of saying, hey, what the world's not a safe place?
Speaker 3: And do I have options? You bring about ways to
Speaker 3: do that. So this is a great story here, but
Speaker 3: let's conclude a little bit more. I mean, there's so
Speaker 3: much time to talk about this, the New York State
Speaker 3: Rifle and Pistol Association versus Bruin. So let's say people
Speaker 3: who are listening to this particular podcast on the Doctor
Speaker 3: Sky Experience, they're going, hey, wait a minute, you know
Speaker 3: you guys are out in the West, you have all
Speaker 3: these gun rights. What is now going to happen here?
Speaker 3: Since this was over returned?
Speaker 1: So what is it?
Speaker 3: Basically saying the law required a license to carry in public?
Speaker 3: But now what does that mean for people who want
Speaker 3: to go get a concealed carrier permit? It's still not
Speaker 3: going to be easy from what I hear.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so keeping it. I'm trying to keep it simple
Speaker 2: here because I'm not a lawyer, No I A Yeah.
Speaker 2: So the Supreme Court came in and said, you can't
Speaker 2: do that. You can't have these tiers of rights. You
Speaker 2: can't do that. You have to come up with the
Speaker 2: You have to come up with the laws that are
Speaker 2: fair and equable people. There's a bunch of other stuff
Speaker 2: in this decision that's huge. It reaffirms the meeting of
Speaker 2: the Second Amendment that we get into in the book
Speaker 2: quite a bit. It reaffirms it. Why we have it
Speaker 2: is so that we can defend ourselves and the state
Speaker 2: just can't take that away willy nilly. So what's happened
Speaker 2: is all these states that this is are affected by
Speaker 2: this have to come up with new laws. Well, what
Speaker 2: they're doing is they're coming up with laws that are
Speaker 2: even worse, and it's going to be really interesting to
Speaker 2: see how this shakes out in court. Like New York
Speaker 2: State then came up with a new law, and the
Speaker 2: first proposed new law was the most ridiculous thing you've
Speaker 2: ever heard. Where now to see if you were worthy
Speaker 2: to have your rights, they were going to go on
Speaker 2: social media and and like read your Facebook page to
Speaker 2: see if you had a good character. You know, just insane.
Speaker 2: I'm sure if you voted wrong, you have bad character.
Speaker 3: Cost You're right on that one, my friend there you
Speaker 3: go that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So they're they're they're they're they're proposing new laws
Speaker 2: and they are equally ridiculous. So these are all going
Speaker 2: to be going to court. I haven't seen what the
Speaker 2: final one for New York is, but Maryland just unveiled
Speaker 2: there's a couple of days ago, and it's the worst
Speaker 2: thing you've ever seen. Is basically concealed kerry is banned
Speaker 2: literally everywhere, and one hundred feet from everywhere, So you
Speaker 2: couldn't go any place in the state without without violating
Speaker 2: the law. You can travel down a street without being
Speaker 2: within one hundred feet of all the places that it's banned.
Speaker 2: You you couldn't buy a gun and take it home
Speaker 2: without breaking this law.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, I want to I'm gonna make this clear too, Larry,
Speaker 3: excuse me for jumping in. I want to make it
Speaker 3: very clear. Nothing in your book is an advocate that says, hey, folks,
Speaker 3: so you're an advocate for self defense. But you're not
Speaker 3: sitting here saying you must go out and get a
Speaker 3: firearm because that's the only way to defend yourself. You're
Speaker 3: exploring these options in this rather detailed book, but let's
Speaker 3: start off from the very basics here, and I want
Speaker 3: to get back to a couple of more of these
Speaker 3: Supreme Court cases. What's the main theme of your book
Speaker 3: that you can just tell us in this doctor s
Speaker 3: Guy experience interview today, so that people would be encouraged
Speaker 3: to want to go out and get a copy of
Speaker 3: it and read the details.
Speaker 2: Oh sure, I would say that it self defense is
Speaker 2: a human right, it's not mandatory. Having a firearm is
Speaker 2: not for everyone. If psychologically or emotionally, for whatever reason,
Speaker 2: somebody doesn't want to be armed, that's fine. That is
Speaker 2: their decision, and I don't think anybody should be forced. However,
Speaker 2: we're not you, and so just stop trying to stop
Speaker 2: other people from exercising their rights. Everybody's different, We've all
Speaker 2: got different levels of knowledge, commitment, education, training, let people
Speaker 2: make their own decisions, and most people make good ones.
Speaker 2: We've seen the vast majority of the country now is
Speaker 2: pretty darn good at letting people exercise their Second Amend
Speaker 2: their rights. Most states over half now have constitutional carry
Speaker 2: and we're fine. So the doom scenarios that these people
Speaker 2: keep bringing up, the panic, the terror that doesn't really apply.
Speaker 2: This goes into not just carrying guns, but having guns
Speaker 2: at home defense. I get into the actual meaning of
Speaker 2: the Second Amendment. It's for defense up to and including
Speaker 2: against our tyrannical government. And I go there, I talk
Speaker 2: about all these laws. I sure do, and so I
Speaker 2: would say the main theme is that the Second Amendment
Speaker 2: is a human right intended for all people if they
Speaker 2: wish to exercise it.
Speaker 3: You know, I just want to jump on the subject here.
Speaker 3: That's kind of a little bit unnerving to myself. You
Speaker 3: see the legacy media, and I don't think you and
Speaker 3: I would have a dispute on this, And maybe many
Speaker 3: people out there are just so fed up that the
Speaker 3: whole story of firearms is never really presented, right, And
Speaker 3: what you go into is like you've even offered what
Speaker 3: opportunities This is interesting, folks. You've offered opportunities for individual
Speaker 3: people in the media to actually come and take a
Speaker 3: firearm training class. And if I'm paraphrasing this or I guess,
Speaker 3: the basic assumption here is from what I read, is
Speaker 3: that nobody.
Speaker 1: Took you up on that offer at all.
Speaker 3: So how can somebody speak and bovate about a topic
Speaker 3: if they certainly don't know the truth and really the reality.
Speaker 3: It's like, it's like having a car and in order
Speaker 3: to drive that vehicle, say it's a race car. They're
Speaker 3: so dangerous, these cars that go so fast. Well, you're
Speaker 3: offering a driving course in how to approve your driving
Speaker 3: skills so you can manage that driving experience with that
Speaker 3: type of vehicle.
Speaker 1: Right. Yep.
Speaker 2: Back when I back when I owned a gun store,
Speaker 2: we had a simulator. So it was one of those
Speaker 2: things where it would broadcast like a giant TV screen
Speaker 2: on the wall, but it would put up a scenario
Speaker 2: and you'd be there armed with a gun that actually
Speaker 2: had a laser in it that were record your hits,
Speaker 2: and we would run people through shoot and don't shoot scenarios,
Speaker 2: use of force scenarios, law enforcement scenarios, and it was like,
Speaker 2: you know, very realistic events and you had to make
Speaker 2: decisions and then the simulation would play out based upon
Speaker 2: the decisions you made, whether you shy, whether you talk
Speaker 2: to them, whatever. And so I had this marvelous training tool,
Speaker 2: and I had offered anybody who was in the news
Speaker 2: media if you would like to come and use this
Speaker 2: and go through some of these scenarios, especially when they
Speaker 2: would talk about shootings where a citizen had shot a
Speaker 2: criminal or police officer had shot somebody. I probably had
Speaker 2: a scenario that was very similar to that. I could
Speaker 2: run them through so they could get, you know, a
Speaker 2: feeling for that and understand what was going on. No
Speaker 2: one ever took me up on it.
Speaker 1: Not you know that.
Speaker 3: That's amazing, Larry, because you know, again it really gets me.
Speaker 1: A little upset.
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm going to be calm here in this
Speaker 3: interview because people I want them to experience you and
Speaker 3: learn so much about why they can move toward this
Speaker 3: as an old minded they open your minds.
Speaker 1: Folks.
Speaker 3: You know you don't have to carry a firearm, but
Speaker 3: at least have knowledge of the components how it works,
Speaker 3: because what do we teach Larry in our classes side
Speaker 3: alignment and trigger squeeze, two most fundamental shooting you know,
Speaker 3: situations as far as when you're handling a firearm. But
Speaker 3: I'd rather you go down this path. So let's say
Speaker 3: this way somebody what they can learn from your book.
Speaker 3: If they're kind of saying, well, you know, I really
Speaker 3: don't know if I want to do that, and you know,
Speaker 3: I really kind of think I may will like to
Speaker 3: also look at the possibility of buying a firearm for
Speaker 3: personal protection. What's Larry Carey's suggestion and some.
Speaker 1: Of the information.
Speaker 3: They can get the book and read the details, but
Speaker 3: just in this interview, some basics that you'd recommend.
Speaker 2: Well, I walk people through the process in the book.
Speaker 2: I do go through this in more detail, But basically,
Speaker 2: you need to find a place to get some basic
Speaker 2: knowledge and training. Your local gun stores are often a
Speaker 2: great place to start, but you know there's a going
Speaker 2: to varying quality depending on who owns them and how
Speaker 2: smart they are and how educated they are. But you
Speaker 2: always hear self to seek out training. Your local ranges
Speaker 2: will have instructors, they'll have advertisements for instructors. Do some
Speaker 2: research first, just look them up on the internet to
Speaker 2: see what their reputation is and start seeking out education.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of free education out there. As much
Speaker 2: as the NRA gets attacked and vilified, most of what
Speaker 2: the NRA's mission is actually education, not legislation, right, and
Speaker 2: so there's a lot of things out there resources for
Speaker 2: basic safety're training. I go into this book too about
Speaker 2: you know, storing guns and how to do it around
Speaker 2: your family, and everybody's different. We all have a different situation.
Speaker 2: That's why the whenever the law mandates you have to
Speaker 2: store guns a certain way, it's going to fall apart
Speaker 2: because we all have a different household, we have different
Speaker 2: family members situation. There is no one size fits all.
Speaker 2: So you know, if you're an intelligent adult, you just
Speaker 2: need to come at this in a way that you learn.
Speaker 2: Check your pride at the door. You don't know everything. Everybody,
Speaker 2: you know, we're all new when we come into this,
Speaker 2: and I just kind of learn, learn where you can go,
Speaker 2: and I provide a bunch of resources of different places
Speaker 2: you can seek out information and good information. I mean
Speaker 2: there's actually various places online where you can get good
Speaker 2: information and then there's nothing surpasses in person training, where
Speaker 2: you have a coach and somebody educated who can walk
Speaker 2: you through how to actually use this stuff effectively. There's
Speaker 2: people who just buy a gun and think, okay, good,
Speaker 2: I'm good. I have a gun. Now I'm gonna load
Speaker 2: it and stick it to my softwareer and then I
Speaker 2: can just use it in a case emergency. Now that's
Speaker 2: a recipe for disaster. You're setting yourself up for failure.
Speaker 2: You need to know what you're doing. But thankfully there
Speaker 2: are a lot of good resources out there.
Speaker 3: Well, Larry, this is an exciting time with you. You're
Speaker 3: listening to the Duntor's Guy Experience where he're on TNK
Speaker 3: Radio seventy seven WABC out of New York, around the nation,
Speaker 3: around the world, and maybe even mud Larry around the universe.
Speaker 3: We call this radio station, and rightfully so, the crown
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Speaker 3: our format consists of subject matters in the realms of astronomy, space, aviation,
Speaker 3: and weather. Since you and I are so pro a
Speaker 3: Second Amendment and so much involved in it, I thought
Speaker 3: today that would kind of shift gears a little bit
Speaker 3: and talk about what we call the category of the
Speaker 3: American exceptionalism and our freedoms. And just like John Katzimetidi,
Speaker 3: the owner of WABC Talk Radio seventy seven and his
Speaker 3: great popular show Cats at Night, they stand for what
Speaker 3: truth justice in the American way, and so do we
Speaker 3: on the Doctor Sky experience, Larry, I wanted to remind
Speaker 3: everybody the book is entitled in Defense of the Second Amendment,
Speaker 3: and get it where all good books are sold. It
Speaker 3: just came out what recently from Regnary Press, and again
Speaker 3: an honor to have you here, but I wanted to
Speaker 3: have you explain a little bit more about some of
Speaker 3: these particular cases in the Supreme Court, the Heller case
Speaker 3: back in two thousand and eight. I had a lot
Speaker 3: of personal experience in that, but you don't mind sharing
Speaker 3: with the audience just the basics. I mean, what does
Speaker 3: that mean and why is it so important for people.
Speaker 1: Who like and love the Second Amendment.
Speaker 2: Well, that one was where basically Washington, DC had these
Speaker 2: extremely honorous rules about how you could possess your firearms
Speaker 2: and who was allowed to have them. And I'm not
Speaker 2: talking about carrying the guns because Washington DC, it didn't
Speaker 2: allow us. One of the way I'm voting them just
Speaker 2: having a gun in your home. They had rules like
Speaker 2: that you had to keep it disassembled or unattainable. So
Speaker 2: should you need one in emergency or just out of lot.
Speaker 2: Clearly criminals don't care about that.
Speaker 1: But one of the most.
Speaker 2: Important things that came out of that case was the
Speaker 2: Supreme Court reaffirmed the original meaning of the Second Amendment,
Speaker 2: which the most reasonable Americans have always believed, is that
Speaker 2: the Second Amendment is for you to be able to
Speaker 2: defend yourself, and it should not ban common and useful firearms.
Speaker 2: It cannot just take away things that are common and
Speaker 2: useful for the regular people. And part of that too,
Speaker 2: is the original Second Amendment was if the weapon had
Speaker 2: was of use to the militia, then it is of
Speaker 2: use to the citizen and you can't ban it. Which
Speaker 2: is interesting because the way that the anti gun people
Speaker 2: comment as they come at it from the exact opposite
Speaker 2: direction and say, well, it's actual from the military, then
Speaker 2: you can't have it. No, that's the opposite of what
Speaker 2: the Constitution specifies. That's the opposite of what the Secondment
Speaker 2: is about. And the Supreme Court reaffirmed that So the
Speaker 2: Heller decision was actually the first decision of our modern
Speaker 2: times that really started us down this road where it
Speaker 2: opened up a lot of lawsuits around the country against
Speaker 2: state gun laws where they were basically taking away weapons
Speaker 2: that were common, useful, valuable for self defense. And the
Speaker 2: Bruin goes back to that and reinforces that that's really
Speaker 2: what the common part comes from, and that's in Layman's terms,
Speaker 2: it's the Supreme Court saying that yes, America, Americans, law
Speaker 2: biding citizens in America have the right who have firearms
Speaker 2: available to them in order to defend themselves, and their
Speaker 2: specifically to kind of firearms that are useful for defense.
Speaker 3: Well, Laria, I have an interesting kind of sideline to this.
Speaker 3: My own experience with Heller is kind of a short
Speaker 3: and informative, maybe even a humorous story. We had him
Speaker 3: at the radio show I was doing at the time,
Speaker 3: called a Call to Rights at the NRA convention there
Speaker 3: in Phoenix, so Lo and behold the good folks that
Speaker 3: were working with me. We set up an interview to
Speaker 3: have Heller, obviously the namesake of this particular Supreme Court case,
Speaker 3: they are in person, and we sat down and we
Speaker 3: were talking to him, and boy, did we have a
Speaker 3: crowd around that booth. And I'm not exaggerating, not because
Speaker 3: of me. We probably had maybe three or four hundred people,
Speaker 3: you know, standing around like one of these shut show
Speaker 3: kind of booths. But the reason I'm telling you that
Speaker 3: is we at a time I was working with a
Speaker 3: rifle company. We made sure that we gave a rifle
Speaker 3: to him in honor of the Second Amendment and had
Speaker 3: it engraved. Well, lo and behold the person who engraved it,
Speaker 3: not our company, spelled amendment wrong. So we're getting the
Speaker 3: rifle over in this big ceremony. This guy with a
Speaker 3: cowboy hat runs over and it's none other than Ted
Speaker 3: NuGen and he's yelling and Strayman going don't you give
Speaker 3: that rifle yet? He goes, I want to give it
Speaker 3: upstairs at the big convention side. But the interesting part
Speaker 3: about that story is though we were celebrating this amendment
Speaker 3: and this you know Supreme Court case, how about that
Speaker 3: a little thing gone wrong, got to get that word
Speaker 3: amendment spell right. I thought that was kind of amazing,
Speaker 3: don't you then?
Speaker 1: That was crazy?
Speaker 2: Something like what an engraver messes up? You know, It's
Speaker 2: like it's hard to do a typho on steel.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, But let's get back to you.
Speaker 3: Let's talk more about some of these other Supreme Court cases,
Speaker 3: the US versus McDermott, the city that is of Chicago.
Speaker 3: That particular case, McDermott versus the City of Chicago. I'm
Speaker 3: understood that it means something like this, The Second Amendment
Speaker 3: is protected under the Fourteenth Amendment in states rights. So
Speaker 3: you want to elaborate them more on that. I mean,
Speaker 3: that was an interesting decision in twenty ten. Kind of
Speaker 3: that was not as what it's popular, but it wasn't
Speaker 3: given the big headline that the case was.
Speaker 2: No, it's actually interesting because there's a couple that reinforced
Speaker 2: the aspect of individual and state rights for the Second Amendment,
Speaker 2: with that being one of them, and there's also another
Speaker 2: recent one that actually came out the same time as
Speaker 2: Brew and I'll talk about that one a second, sure,
Speaker 2: But basically this Supreme Court as constituted over the last
Speaker 2: decade has has reinforced but the Second Amendment is an
Speaker 2: American human individual right, whereas the other anti gunside tries
Speaker 2: to keep framing it as like a collective right, which
Speaker 2: is an idea that's ananthema to everything in the Constitution.
Speaker 2: It's the opposite of everything the framers of the Constitution
Speaker 2: ever said. It's not an idea that's ever existed in
Speaker 2: American history, and none of the other amendments work that way.
Speaker 2: Yet we're but they come out they have this collective
Speaker 2: right thing that oh, that's only for the militia and
Speaker 2: the milasity, that means the National Guard. And that's not
Speaker 2: the case. And so that is that's one of those
Speaker 2: things where all of all, not all of them. Many
Speaker 2: of our wins on the Second Amendment for the last
Speaker 2: generation have been from the courts and the states because legislatively,
Speaker 2: Congress and the Senate have been afraid to tackle this
Speaker 2: stuff because it gave the media pressure, and even the
Speaker 2: pro gun side, the nominally pro gun side, tends to
Speaker 2: will under pressure. There are some really good ones up there.
Speaker 2: I don't want to bag on everyone.
Speaker 3: Then the other ID say what, well, I understand. So
Speaker 3: the interesting thing is moving forward here.
Speaker 1: I mean the time a lot of today.
Speaker 3: This is so precious to all of us and the
Speaker 3: listeners out there, and again I appreciate your time. You
Speaker 3: had some of the thoughts on the bruin Supreme Court case.
Speaker 3: I wanted to hear a little bit more about that
Speaker 3: because many of our people are listening. Of course primarily well,
Speaker 3: I'm sure they're listening all over the world, but talk
Speaker 3: Radio seventy seven WABS he has a long heritage and
Speaker 3: history where they're baming from New York City, so this
Speaker 3: very affects people in New York City and New York State.
Speaker 3: What else would you like to add about the Bruin
Speaker 3: Supreme courtses.
Speaker 2: Well, the two that came out of the same session
Speaker 2: was Bruin versus New York State Rifle Pistol and also
Speaker 2: West Virginia versus EPA, and why that's related is very important.
Speaker 2: In the last couple of weeks, Brewin reaffirmed that the
Speaker 2: government could not just take away common and useful weapons
Speaker 2: from people, and that we do, in fact have a
Speaker 2: right to keep and bear arms. Very important. It shuts
Speaker 2: down their whole collective right argument, and it applies a
Speaker 2: standard that any gun law needs to obey that and
Speaker 2: to have a gun law, you have to have a
Speaker 2: historical precedence from the early parts of the country's history
Speaker 2: that say that you have this ability to infringe on
Speaker 2: these rights. Okay, yes. Where West Virginia versus EPA comes
Speaker 2: in is the was the Supreme Court saying that federal
Speaker 2: agencies can't just make up laws. That's Congress's job. And
Speaker 2: this is specifically the APEPA doing like environmental regulations. They're
Speaker 2: just making up rules. They said, Nope, that's not your
Speaker 2: job as Congress. So how this ties in is the
Speaker 2: ATF is the federal agency that administers gun laws at
Speaker 2: federal gun laws, specifically the National Firearms Act, as most
Speaker 2: of what most of this is predicated on from nineteen
Speaker 2: thirty four. Okay, well, the ATF has a bad tendency
Speaker 2: to just do whatever at once with no gun law attached.
Speaker 2: So Congress didn't pass the law. For Congress passed the
Speaker 2: law that's tangentially related, but say it doesn't mention certain things.
Speaker 2: The ATF comes in later and says, well, we're going
Speaker 2: to add those things. Congress never talked about that, Congress
Speaker 2: never passed law, but we're gonna go ahead. We're going to
Speaker 2: ban bump stocks, we're going to ban pistol braces. And
Speaker 2: this is a big one that's just come out the last.
Speaker 3: Couple weeks, the mailing. So in other words, the ruler
Speaker 3: does not. Well, they can say it's a ruling, and
Speaker 3: it is a ruling if it goes in the federal registry.
Speaker 3: But Congress is the organization that has the power to
Speaker 3: create laws, not the ATM. So this is very interesting
Speaker 3: what we're going to get into now. And I know
Speaker 3: this is for the time allotted. I wanted to jump
Speaker 3: pretty much headstrong into this. People out there who have
Speaker 3: let's say, AR fifteen pistols and other quote short barrel
Speaker 3: type pistols. Okay, now what are we seeing, Larry. We're
Speaker 3: seeing that what was considered a okay legal maybe that's
Speaker 3: not even the right word, but they were okay with
Speaker 3: this device called a brace. Now they're changing the whole
Speaker 3: classification and definition of a rifle. And what kind of
Speaker 3: a headstorm? You know, what kind of a storm are
Speaker 3: we headed into with this? This is very confusing. Tell
Speaker 3: us some simple words, what's going on?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's really bad. So they dropped it on the
Speaker 2: Friday afternoon for three day weekend before the Martin Luther
Speaker 2: King Day. They Friday late close a business. They dropped
Speaker 2: two hundred and ninety three pag rolls. Wow, and it's
Speaker 2: gibberish speaking as a professional writer, as a professional editor.
Speaker 2: It's painful and I've read it a couple of times
Speaker 2: now and I'm still confused. But what it is is
Speaker 2: they took something that has been perfectly legal, and Americans
Speaker 2: have been buying in mass quantities for ten years. So
Speaker 2: for ten years, Americans could walk into any sportings good
Speaker 2: store or gun show or local gun store or whatever.
Speaker 2: You could buy these off Amazon, and Americans are buying
Speaker 2: a certain thing called a pistol brace, which is basically
Speaker 2: just a It's a brace you would mount onto the
Speaker 2: back of a of a large pistol. It's like a
Speaker 2: balancing brace. That said people could shoulder these, and yes,
Speaker 2: they could put it against their shoulder, but there was
Speaker 2: nothing in the law. Like I said, Congress has to
Speaker 2: pass law, and Congress never specified anything about that being illegal.
Speaker 2: There's no law against that like real law. So the
Speaker 2: ATF for ten years let us buy these, until Americans
Speaker 2: had bought tens of millions. The ATF says there's three
Speaker 2: million in the country. That number is absolutely laughable because
Speaker 2: the gun industry, the people who actually manufacture these, we
Speaker 2: have there's individual companies who are like, nope, we've made
Speaker 2: more than that, so realistically, the estimates from a nonpartisan
Speaker 2: congressional observation can't know what it's called. They say there's
Speaker 2: up to forty million of these in the US. Wow,
Speaker 2: And I've seen numbers anywhere from fourteen million to forty million.
Speaker 2: ATFS says three million, which is asinine. But even if
Speaker 2: it was only three million, that's still millions of Americans
Speaker 2: who for ten years have been owning something that's been
Speaker 2: perfectly legal, hasn't hurt anybody. And now the ATF has
Speaker 2: just come on and said, well, you have one hundred
Speaker 2: and twenty days to register these with the government or
Speaker 2: you're felon. That's a ten year prison term.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 3: That's really dangerous, Larry. I mean, think about that. I mean,
Speaker 3: let's say people because of their busy schedules, you know,
Speaker 3: you know, excuses of the law. You know, is never
Speaker 3: a justifiable defense ignorance of the law. But the point
Speaker 3: of the matter is so many people are really not
Speaker 3: paying attention to this. And if I'm correct, tell me,
Speaker 3: if I'm right on this, the ATF is not going
Speaker 3: to charge you the traditional two hundred dollars tax stamp fee.
Speaker 3: Like you know, I have uncertain firearms that I have
Speaker 3: in my personal collection, and maybe you do.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 3: I don't ask. But the thing is, what happens now?
Speaker 1: Does this?
Speaker 3: Is it officially from what you know as of this
Speaker 3: date of doing this particular podcast January twenty fourth, twenty
Speaker 3: twenty three, is it to your knowledge, officially in the
Speaker 3: federal Registry or it hasn't even gotten there yet?
Speaker 1: What do you know?
Speaker 2: I am unsure, and I've actually, like I said, I'm
Speaker 2: not a lawyer, and I've seen conflicting on that, so
Speaker 2: I actually I do not know. I've seen people some
Speaker 2: things with well the ATF it is valid and now
Speaker 2: in the Federal Register, but I have not actually seen
Speaker 2: that confirmed anywhere. So I don't know if the one
Speaker 2: hundred and twenty days is started. So actually I'm not
Speaker 2: sure on that. I don't know if that's officially started
Speaker 2: or if that's about to start.
Speaker 3: Well, I got a great question. I got a big
Speaker 3: question for you. She usn't for jumping in again, because
Speaker 3: I'm full of passion.
Speaker 1: On this one.
Speaker 3: If you filled out a Form four type process to
Speaker 3: go get your tech stamp gun, you know whether it's
Speaker 3: a silence or whether it's a short parrel rifle, machine gun,
Speaker 3: or what have you. And a lot of people don't
Speaker 3: even know that that's illegal. The question I'm asking you
Speaker 3: is it took a year and almost a year for
Speaker 3: me to get approved, not because I had any problems
Speaker 3: in order to do if you have these how are
Speaker 3: they going to handle forty million these transactions.
Speaker 2: And what are they going to do?
Speaker 1: I don't understand. It's insane.
Speaker 2: This is this is the same government that's spent in
Speaker 2: billions and billions of dollars on the Obamacare website and
Speaker 2: then it promptly crashed. So the ATF is sharing everybody.
Speaker 2: It's like, okay, all you millions of people, you should
Speaker 2: go use the e forms, which is the ATF online
Speaker 2: form system. That thing crashes all the time. It never
Speaker 2: works anyway, It's always broken. And even if you do eforms,
Speaker 2: it still takes three months, six months, nine months, sometimes
Speaker 2: a year. I have a friend that is like a
Speaker 2: year and nine months for his last transfer. Oh, and
Speaker 2: the AHF says, well, it's okay, just send us photographic
Speaker 2: evidence you possess this thing that we're saying is a felony.
Speaker 2: Fill out this paperwork on our unreliable website and keep
Speaker 2: the receipt and we promise that we won't come to
Speaker 2: your house and and shoot you.
Speaker 3: Wow, that's pretty sound.
Speaker 2: That sounds is comforting, right.
Speaker 3: I never a lot of confidence in that, of course, not.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, they're so reliable. But the thing I'm super
Speaker 2: worried about is people who are gun nuts, people who
Speaker 2: are like enthusiasts. We keep up on the news, we
Speaker 2: keep up on this stuff. We're paying attention. We're not
Speaker 2: going to get caught on the worse. But for example,
Speaker 2: when I was preparing for this book release, I was
Speaker 2: in a marketing meeting with a bunch of publishing people
Speaker 2: and they were talking about current events. I said, well,
Speaker 2: the ATF is going to drop their brace rules pretty soon,
Speaker 2: and uh so I need to be prepared to talk
Speaker 2: about that and that's going to affect a lot of people.
Speaker 2: And we just kind of moved on to the meeting
Speaker 2: because I didn't really was where if need these people
Speaker 2: were gunning people or not. And this one woman stops
Speaker 2: me and she said, well, well, can we back up a second?
Speaker 2: What new ATF braceful? And I had to explain this
Speaker 2: to her. She didn't keep up, as she owned one
Speaker 2: of these and she had just bought one, and uh
Speaker 2: and because she went into a store and bought it,
Speaker 2: it was perfectly legal. So how would she know that
Speaker 2: the ATF has pulled this bait and switch and she's
Speaker 2: now in possession of a feling If she hadn't been
Speaker 2: having a conversation with me about this book for marketing purposes,
Speaker 2: she would have just had an illegal gun sitting in
Speaker 2: her closet. And you know what happens in a couple
Speaker 2: of years that if she didn't register and the AHF,
Speaker 2: I mean, it's ten year prison sentence.
Speaker 3: You know, this is really outrageous here. And you know,
Speaker 3: obviously Steve Dentelback, I guess, is the new ATF director
Speaker 3: as of July of this year, of believing last year
Speaker 3: twenty twenty two. Obviously, there's a lot of people that
Speaker 3: are confused, and I think a lot of Second Amendment
Speaker 3: fans out there are particularly outraged, and obviously, Larry in
Speaker 3: a future interview, I'd like to follow up with you,
Speaker 3: if you're so kind to do this, but in a
Speaker 3: short time we have left today. I wanted to cover
Speaker 3: a couple of outstanding things that people really need to
Speaker 3: know about. I teach this and are concealed carry permit
Speaker 3: classes here in Arizona, and I tell people that the
Speaker 3: federal gun free zone is something out there that can
Speaker 3: be very problematic if you're not really knowledgeable about the law.
Speaker 3: But describe to us why gun free zones obviously are
Speaker 3: more dangerous for law abiding citizens. And then I wanted
Speaker 3: to have you go on to talk a little bit.
Speaker 3: This is a subject we could do for hours on
Speaker 3: red flag laws. These are two things, don't you think
Speaker 3: obviously that are so important to fire our owners out there,
Speaker 3: and also a death zone many people's opinions when they
Speaker 3: have these gun free school zones.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the gun free zone. First off, it's just a
Speaker 2: hunting berserve for innocent people, right, we know for a fact.
Speaker 2: And I go into this in great deal in the book,
Speaker 2: and I look at a bunch of cases and look
Speaker 2: at the stats. The vast overwhelming majority of mass killings
Speaker 2: happen in places where guns are banned for regular people
Speaker 2: because criminals don't care. And we know that these guys
Speaker 2: that are on a mission to kill as many people
Speaker 2: as possible or trying to make some kind of statement,
Speaker 2: they prefer gun free zones because they have straight up
Speaker 2: told us in their manifestos that they do. We have
Speaker 2: cases where they said, I am going to go shoot
Speaker 2: this place because I know that people aren't allowed to
Speaker 2: fight back, they're going to be disarmed. I could shoot
Speaker 2: more them. And what happens is the only thing that
Speaker 2: stops a mass killer is a violent response. That violent
Speaker 2: response can either be immediate from somebody who is present,
Speaker 2: or it's going to be when the cops come, and
Speaker 2: that could be five minutes, ten minutes, twenty minutes, an hour.
Speaker 2: And during that time, the bad guy gets to work.
Speaker 2: And the media is complicit in this because the media
Speaker 2: will then make them famous, just like the one in
Speaker 2: the media talk about them and hold them up and
Speaker 2: put them on the cover of Rolling Stone. So it's
Speaker 2: the sixth cycle or these things happen in clumps, where
Speaker 2: then the next disaffected losers like, okay, I need to
Speaker 2: get a big body count so I can be famous too.
Speaker 2: And then where do they go. They go to schools,
Speaker 2: they go to movie theaters that have a no guns
Speaker 2: allowed sign posted, They go to the mall it says
Speaker 2: no guns allowed. And what stops these cases are violent
Speaker 2: response to that violent sponse be a cop, it could
Speaker 2: be a regular person and the gun banners. I was
Speaker 2: at to say, well, the good guy with a gun
Speaker 2: is a myth. Well, in this book, I have hundreds
Speaker 2: of these myths. I have hundreds of cases and examples,
Speaker 2: and I link to places where you can find thousands
Speaker 2: of these if people collect them, where individual citizens stopped
Speaker 2: somebody who was trying to do something horrible, they stopped
Speaker 2: them earlier. And then red flags is, oh boy, that
Speaker 2: is a whole nother can of worms, because that is
Speaker 2: one of those newer ones and is a flawed idea.
Speaker 2: It's a logically fought idea, and it's twofold. If you
Speaker 2: report somebody as being a danger to themselves and others
Speaker 2: and armed, and the judge stamps off and says, okay,
Speaker 2: this person's in red flag, then the cops come and
Speaker 2: raid your house and take your guns away. Well, now,
Speaker 2: if you're innocent and you haven't done anything wrong, you
Speaker 2: have to spend hours in court and spending money on
Speaker 2: lawyers to get your rights back, and you can have
Speaker 2: these reports put on you by the worst people in
Speaker 2: the world.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, I mean, let's say this way, you could have
Speaker 3: a disgruntled spouse or something like that. I mean, oh yeah,
Speaker 3: a gold friend a boyfriend. I mean, it could reverse
Speaker 3: itself from the other side. It doesn't have to be
Speaker 3: just you know, women being mad at men. It could
Speaker 3: be anybody.
Speaker 2: That's puts so dangerous, abusive stalkers, right, we had a stalker.
Speaker 2: We've had stalkers call in red flags against their victims
Speaker 2: so they're victims would be disarmed.
Speaker 3: It's amazing, Larry, this is amazing stuff. But I want
Speaker 3: to remind everybody the reason we're doing this interview today
Speaker 3: is because we honestly wholeheartedly support the Second Amendment, both
Speaker 3: of us, not just the person on this end of
Speaker 3: the microphone. That's just you know, maybe maybe I'll read
Speaker 3: the book kind of thing. I'd read it from front
Speaker 3: to back. Clivergon, I had to call you a friend
Speaker 3: and also a person who believes in the right of
Speaker 3: self defense. The book from Regnary Press by Larry Korea,
Speaker 3: again in defense of the Second Amendment, available where all
Speaker 3: good books are sold.
Speaker 1: You get the last word.
Speaker 3: We got about a minute or so, and just appreciate
Speaker 3: your time, Larry to talk about this, and you know,
Speaker 3: I just hope that we can get a better resolution
Speaker 3: on the brace issue and all the other things that
Speaker 3: are going down here. But people need to understand the
Speaker 3: Second Amendment is in place, and thank god it is
Speaker 3: that they're not looking any time. Well, maybe some people
Speaker 3: wanted to take it away, but not in our time.
Speaker 3: I don't think. At least we have the Supreme Court
Speaker 3: now and hopefully individuals that will realize the human right
Speaker 3: of self defense is so important. So you get the
Speaker 3: last word, I would say, I just invite people to
Speaker 3: check this out. I hope it helps.
Speaker 2: Like I said, for people who are already on the
Speaker 2: side of guns in a second Amendment, I hope that
Speaker 2: give you facts and a kind of a handy little
Speaker 2: reference guy that you can use in your arguments, try
Speaker 2: to sway your loved ones. And also for people who
Speaker 2: are on the fence, people who are thinking about it,
Speaker 2: but they haven't really made that decision. I just want
Speaker 2: to arm you guys with knowledge and then you decide
Speaker 2: for yourselves and it just get educated and do the
Speaker 2: right thing. And I hope this helps. I hope you
Speaker 2: guys like it.
Speaker 3: Well, Thank you, Larry. And I'm a little concerned about
Speaker 3: where this nation is headed. You know, anyone who's trying
Speaker 3: to politicize or demonize these things, that's something you really
Speaker 3: have to pay attention to. And I just hope everybody
Speaker 3: to this particular interview at least has an open mind
Speaker 3: to at least look at some of the things that
Speaker 3: are happening and love them, judge for themselves. But the
Speaker 3: vast majority of people that I talk to, Larry, from
Speaker 3: all walks of life, they believe strongly in our country
Speaker 3: and our constitution, our Bill of Rights, and of course
Speaker 3: our Second Amendment rights. I want to thank you for
Speaker 3: joining us today. Please stay on the line here as
Speaker 3: we go to the break. Larry Korea, Ladies and gentlemen,
Speaker 3: the author of this book again in defense of the
Speaker 3: Second Amendment. Get it where other wherever good books are sold.
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Speaker 3: the other side of the fence, I always remember to
Speaker 3: keep your eyes to the skies. And what do we
Speaker 3: also say in this particular interview. We say it and
Speaker 3: we mean it. Larry, always refuse to be a victim,
Speaker 3: because a victim is simply someone with no options. Always
Speaker 3: want fight back legally and responsibly. And Larry, I think
Speaker 3: you would wholeheartedly agree with that statement
Speaker 2: Right I would, yes, absolutely, Thank you sir for your time.