1 00:00:04,879 --> 00:00:05,599 Speaker 1: What's going on. 2 00:00:05,759 --> 00:00:08,119 Speaker 2: Thank you so much for listening to this podcast. It 3 00:00:08,240 --> 00:00:10,080 is heard live every day from noon to three on 4 00:00:10,240 --> 00:00:13,839 WBT Radio in Charlotte. And if you want exclusive content 5 00:00:13,960 --> 00:00:17,160 like invitations to events, the weekly live stream, my daily 6 00:00:17,199 --> 00:00:19,239 show prep with all of the links, become a patron, 7 00:00:19,320 --> 00:00:22,600 go to dpeakclendershow dot com. Make sure you hit the 8 00:00:22,640 --> 00:00:25,160 subscribe button. Get every episode for free right to your 9 00:00:25,160 --> 00:00:27,719 smartphone or tablet. And again, thank you so much for 10 00:00:27,760 --> 00:00:34,600 your support. So it's been about a decade, but man, 11 00:00:34,719 --> 00:00:39,240 I am so ready for the rematch. I feel like 12 00:00:39,439 --> 00:00:42,159 it is it George Foreman who just passed away, and 13 00:00:42,679 --> 00:00:47,039 like he won re won a title at age like 14 00:00:47,119 --> 00:00:50,560 forty six, you know, beating some guy I forget who, 15 00:00:50,880 --> 00:00:54,359 uh that was like twenty years younger than him. Right, 16 00:00:54,439 --> 00:00:58,799 it's the comeback of HB two baby, that's right. We're 17 00:00:58,840 --> 00:01:05,959 gonna have another bathroom battle. Republican lawmakers in North Carolina 18 00:01:06,079 --> 00:01:11,000 introduced a bill this week that would limit bathroom access. 19 00:01:11,159 --> 00:01:14,879 This is WRAL, so just keep that in mind. Laura Leslie, 20 00:01:14,920 --> 00:01:20,920 Will Duran and Ryan BEISESSI three reporters on this story. 21 00:01:24,159 --> 00:01:27,599 So they say the bill would limit bathroom access by 22 00:01:27,719 --> 00:01:34,920 transgender people in some state buildings. So it is about bathrooms, 23 00:01:35,400 --> 00:01:40,799 but it's more than bathrooms. There are other facilities like prisons. 24 00:01:41,480 --> 00:01:46,319 But I think the real problem for the left is 25 00:01:46,599 --> 00:01:50,560 the definitions. I think this is going to be the 26 00:01:50,560 --> 00:01:51,719 real problem for them. 27 00:01:52,319 --> 00:01:52,920 Speaker 1: I'll explain. 28 00:01:53,599 --> 00:01:57,280 Speaker 2: I've read the legislation or the proposed legislation. 29 00:01:58,879 --> 00:01:59,400 Speaker 1: Back to the. 30 00:01:59,359 --> 00:02:03,840 Speaker 2: Wral story, though, the effort comes nine years after North 31 00:02:03,840 --> 00:02:09,159 Carolina's former Republican governor lost his job amid a national backlass. 32 00:02:09,159 --> 00:02:11,800 So here's the threat. You Republicans better not do this. 33 00:02:11,879 --> 00:02:13,639 You'll end up just like McCrory. 34 00:02:14,319 --> 00:02:14,520 Speaker 1: Right. 35 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:18,599 Speaker 2: Although Pat McCrory did not just lose because of HB two, 36 00:02:19,280 --> 00:02:23,000 he barely lost and it was largely due to I mean, 37 00:02:23,039 --> 00:02:27,919 Democrats made this the issue, yes, and the media, but 38 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:31,879 I repeat myself, But the real swing that we saw 39 00:02:31,960 --> 00:02:35,479 when you compare the vote totals, the real swing was 40 00:02:35,560 --> 00:02:39,360 North Mecklenburg and it was over the toll roads. McCrory 41 00:02:39,360 --> 00:02:42,639 had carried the area and then he lost the area 42 00:02:43,039 --> 00:02:45,199 in North Mech And Democrats know this, by the way, 43 00:02:46,400 --> 00:02:49,000 that's why they targeted the North Mech area with these 44 00:02:49,919 --> 00:02:55,120 astroturfed fake groups with you know, names like no tolls 45 00:02:55,159 --> 00:02:57,840 and stuff like that. They weren't they didn't care about 46 00:02:57,840 --> 00:03:00,319 the toll road issue, but they knew voters in North 47 00:03:00,400 --> 00:03:05,960 Mech did. And I was not here in Charlotte. I 48 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:07,280 was not on the air in Charlotte. I was up 49 00:03:07,319 --> 00:03:11,680 in Asheville at the time. But I was following the 50 00:03:11,759 --> 00:03:17,759 story to some degree about the toll roads. And you know, 51 00:03:17,879 --> 00:03:22,879 my understanding of it was that the North Mech people 52 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:28,479 and the North Mech elected officials who had greenlit the project, 53 00:03:29,360 --> 00:03:31,599 the toll road to be built by the private company, 54 00:03:31,879 --> 00:03:33,639 and then they got a whole bunch of backlash because 55 00:03:33,639 --> 00:03:35,840 people are like, you should just widen the road and 56 00:03:35,879 --> 00:03:41,560 not have toll lanes. And they want, you know, four lanes. 57 00:03:42,360 --> 00:03:46,080 They don't want two for the toll road and two 58 00:03:46,560 --> 00:03:50,680 non toll. They want all four for everybody to drive on. 59 00:03:50,919 --> 00:03:53,919 They don't want any of the tollings. And so the 60 00:03:54,960 --> 00:03:58,240 you know, the staging of a project like that takes 61 00:03:58,360 --> 00:04:02,719 years and runs through the local development people, the local 62 00:04:02,960 --> 00:04:06,439 or local elected official bodies and stuff that sit on 63 00:04:06,479 --> 00:04:11,879 these transportation I think it was called the Mecklenburg Union 64 00:04:12,439 --> 00:04:15,240 Metropolitan Planning Organization used to be called Mumpo. 65 00:04:15,360 --> 00:04:16,720 Speaker 1: I don't know if it still is. 66 00:04:17,720 --> 00:04:20,360 Speaker 2: But you get all these elected people representing you know, 67 00:04:20,639 --> 00:04:25,920 representing different cities and county and state dot is on there, 68 00:04:25,959 --> 00:04:28,040 and so they have these like monthly meetings. I used 69 00:04:28,040 --> 00:04:30,120 to go cover the meetings all the time and they 70 00:04:30,160 --> 00:04:32,800 would talk about these types of projects and whatever. But 71 00:04:32,839 --> 00:04:35,959 again I didn't follow the course of this project as 72 00:04:35,959 --> 00:04:39,600 it made its way through those levels of planning. And 73 00:04:39,639 --> 00:04:46,480 it started under Biv Purdue, the Democrat governor, and it's 74 00:04:46,519 --> 00:04:49,399 so she was the one. It was her administration that 75 00:04:49,519 --> 00:04:51,759 began the process. But again you've got all of these 76 00:04:51,800 --> 00:04:54,480 local levels that were all involved in it, and by 77 00:04:54,519 --> 00:05:00,360 the time mcquori wins election takes over. My understand was 78 00:05:00,360 --> 00:05:03,319 that like the contracts were already done and the North 79 00:05:03,399 --> 00:05:05,879 Mech people were like, you need to break the contract. 80 00:05:06,639 --> 00:05:09,120 They were demanding that he scrapped the contract at a 81 00:05:09,279 --> 00:05:13,000 cost to the state, and if I remember correctly, it 82 00:05:13,040 --> 00:05:16,279 was like one or two billion dollars or something. So 83 00:05:16,439 --> 00:05:21,639 they just wanted they wanted the state to build the road, 84 00:05:22,480 --> 00:05:25,319 not charge any tolls, oh, and pay like a two 85 00:05:25,319 --> 00:05:30,560 billion dollar fee for breaking the contract with this Spanish company. 86 00:05:31,519 --> 00:05:33,839 That was my understanding of the issue. I didn't find 87 00:05:33,839 --> 00:05:37,199 the North Mech position to be a reasonable one. I 88 00:05:37,279 --> 00:05:40,879 did not, But they all turned out against McCrory and 89 00:05:40,959 --> 00:05:44,120 we got Roy Cooper. And I'm sure the folks in 90 00:05:44,160 --> 00:05:47,079 eastern North Carolina that had to, you know, spend the 91 00:05:47,120 --> 00:05:51,480 next eight years living in hotel rooms because of his 92 00:05:51,600 --> 00:05:54,560 inability to manage a crisis, I'm sure they're very appreciative 93 00:05:54,879 --> 00:05:57,639 of the North Mech swing, as are the people in 94 00:05:57,639 --> 00:06:01,319 western North Carolina right that had to deal with Cooper's 95 00:06:02,279 --> 00:06:06,000 failure of a response in that disaster, as I'm sure 96 00:06:06,040 --> 00:06:10,680 the entire state that had to live under King Roy's 97 00:06:10,720 --> 00:06:19,959 COVID ED or Ed's his emergency declarations. What'd you think 98 00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:24,399 I'm at anyway, Yeah, so we all suffered for eight 99 00:06:24,480 --> 00:06:28,360 years because North Mech didn't want to proceed with the 100 00:06:28,399 --> 00:06:31,199 toll roads. That's that's been my read on the situation. 101 00:06:32,120 --> 00:06:32,360 Speaker 1: Now. 102 00:06:33,319 --> 00:06:35,879 Speaker 2: I'm not interested in going back and litigating it or anything. 103 00:06:35,879 --> 00:06:40,240 What's done is done. We are pasted the Cooper reign. 104 00:06:42,040 --> 00:06:45,959 But the HB two house built to the bathroom bill 105 00:06:46,040 --> 00:06:50,560 fight from nine years ago was that's the one that 106 00:06:50,600 --> 00:06:52,920 the left and the media, but I repeat myself, has 107 00:06:53,360 --> 00:06:58,079 has attributed McCrory's loss to at least now wr L 108 00:06:58,279 --> 00:07:08,279 is saying that it's you know, partially, it's partially, or 109 00:07:08,319 --> 00:07:10,600 it's a little bit it was part of a reason 110 00:07:10,639 --> 00:07:11,439 why he lost. 111 00:07:11,959 --> 00:07:16,759 Speaker 1: I'm not so sure that's the case, but why quibble. 112 00:07:17,439 --> 00:07:19,720 Speaker 2: So the effort comes nine years after North Carolina's former 113 00:07:19,839 --> 00:07:23,519 Republican governor lost his job amid a national backlash aimed 114 00:07:23,560 --> 00:07:27,399 at the state over a similar GOP backed bathroom law 115 00:07:27,560 --> 00:07:34,680 that some residents, businesses, entertainers, and athletics groups considered discriminatory 116 00:07:34,759 --> 00:07:42,240 against transgender people. But then they all became transphobic. I 117 00:07:42,279 --> 00:07:45,160 guess is that what happened? Why, like, within nine years 118 00:07:45,160 --> 00:07:49,199 everybody became transphobic? Or did it simply take nine years 119 00:07:49,240 --> 00:07:55,120 for people to fully recognize what these policies do. See 120 00:07:55,199 --> 00:07:58,000 I was, I was in defense of House Built two. 121 00:07:58,120 --> 00:08:02,360 House Built two that was remember propose by our former congressman. 122 00:08:02,560 --> 00:08:05,120 But at the time he was a state representative, Dan Bishop, 123 00:08:06,199 --> 00:08:10,399 and I talked with Dan Bishop frequently about the HB 124 00:08:10,519 --> 00:08:14,160 two bill when it was, you know, being debated and 125 00:08:15,360 --> 00:08:18,800 all of the backlash and everything. So what happened in 126 00:08:18,920 --> 00:08:22,879 nine years? Did everybody become transphobic. No, they became educated 127 00:08:23,399 --> 00:08:26,399 because to me, this was like my understanding at the 128 00:08:26,439 --> 00:08:30,199 time was like, this is sort of the first fight 129 00:08:30,519 --> 00:08:34,480 over this issue, and to me it was pretty clear 130 00:08:34,960 --> 00:08:40,240 that the left was taking advantage of people's politeness, of 131 00:08:40,320 --> 00:08:44,039 people not wanting to offend, of people not wanting to 132 00:08:44,480 --> 00:08:49,799 you know, be perceived or called discriminatory, and they took 133 00:08:49,840 --> 00:08:54,799 advantage of that. And now everybody recognizes that this is 134 00:08:54,840 --> 00:08:58,519 the tactic and it has been, and that the issue 135 00:08:58,559 --> 00:09:03,519 comes down to one of competing interests and competing rights. 136 00:09:03,559 --> 00:09:07,960 And when you have that friction point right, somebody is 137 00:09:08,039 --> 00:09:10,600 going to quote when and somebody is going to lose 138 00:09:10,600 --> 00:09:14,919 when they have a competition of the rights of the interests. 139 00:09:16,519 --> 00:09:19,720 And that's where you have to craft the law to 140 00:09:19,840 --> 00:09:23,440 spell it out and give an explanation basically in doing so. 141 00:09:24,759 --> 00:09:28,879 And to me, the evidence was clear that going down 142 00:09:28,919 --> 00:09:33,279 this path for opening up all bathrooms and locker rooms 143 00:09:33,320 --> 00:09:38,240 and prisons and everything else, that this would do more 144 00:09:38,320 --> 00:09:47,559 harm than good to more people. And the argument that all, well, 145 00:09:47,600 --> 00:09:50,440 you know, transgenderism is such a tiny little percentage of 146 00:09:50,480 --> 00:09:53,919 the population, so therefore it is not a problem. That 147 00:09:54,080 --> 00:09:57,159 was never the issue for me that was never I 148 00:09:57,200 --> 00:09:59,919 never found that to be a persuasive argument. It doesn't matter. 149 00:10:00,399 --> 00:10:04,840 What matters is you've created this law that allows bad 150 00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:10,639 actors to take advantage. And the response from the left 151 00:10:10,879 --> 00:10:13,799 was always well, we can imprison people or find them 152 00:10:13,840 --> 00:10:16,720 and arrest them and charge them after the fact. The 153 00:10:16,840 --> 00:10:19,559 problem there is, though, that you've already allowed for the 154 00:10:19,639 --> 00:10:25,679 victimization of citizens of children. You've allowed them to be 155 00:10:25,799 --> 00:10:29,000 victimized first, and so then you're going to come and 156 00:10:29,039 --> 00:10:33,720 bring a penalty in whereas why not try to protect 157 00:10:33,840 --> 00:10:38,840 on the front end thereby removing the possibility or limiting 158 00:10:38,840 --> 00:10:41,799 the possibility of the offense occurring in the first place. 159 00:10:43,840 --> 00:10:46,240 Very simple to me, This was always a very simple 160 00:10:46,320 --> 00:10:48,840 kind of an argument. That's what it comes down to. 161 00:10:49,519 --> 00:10:52,360 And it was encapsulated, I thought in a discussion I 162 00:10:52,399 --> 00:10:55,080 had at the time with a state representative named Brian Turner, 163 00:10:56,720 --> 00:10:58,840 and I'll tell you about what he said and why 164 00:10:58,840 --> 00:11:01,240 I didn't believe him. 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During the HB two debate up in when 186 00:12:08,720 --> 00:12:11,919 I was up in Asheville, the local state representative, Brian Turner, 187 00:12:12,559 --> 00:12:15,879 came on my program. We had an hour long debate 188 00:12:15,919 --> 00:12:21,120 and discussion about HB two mainly and I asked him 189 00:12:21,120 --> 00:12:23,639 at one point because he had he has a daughter, 190 00:12:23,679 --> 00:12:25,000 and at that point, I want to say, she was 191 00:12:25,000 --> 00:12:30,000 probably around twelve, and we were talking about, you know, 192 00:12:30,960 --> 00:12:34,480 him as a father, and I threw out this analogy. 193 00:12:35,799 --> 00:12:36,879 Speaker 1: Or an example to. 194 00:12:36,879 --> 00:12:41,320 Speaker 2: Test his position, and I said, all right, let's say 195 00:12:41,320 --> 00:12:45,639 you're you're getting off the plane, and let's say you're 196 00:12:45,639 --> 00:12:48,720 at Charlotte Douglas Airport right getting a layover whatever, you 197 00:12:48,759 --> 00:12:50,600 and your daughter are traveling. You get off the plane 198 00:12:51,039 --> 00:12:54,720 and you go in, you guys go to use the restroom. 199 00:12:54,759 --> 00:12:57,440 She says she has to use the restroom, and she 200 00:12:57,639 --> 00:13:01,720 proceeds to walk in the women's room, and you witness 201 00:13:02,080 --> 00:13:06,679 me follow her in. Are you going to follow me in? 202 00:13:08,360 --> 00:13:09,080 Speaker 1: What are you going to do? 203 00:13:10,759 --> 00:13:15,759 Speaker 2: And he at first did not answer. You know, he 204 00:13:15,879 --> 00:13:18,440 tried to talk about, well, you know, this other thing 205 00:13:18,679 --> 00:13:22,480 and we would try to find someplace else, or you know, 206 00:13:22,559 --> 00:13:24,480 that's not really the issue whatever. And I kept dragging 207 00:13:24,519 --> 00:13:27,360 him back to this example because I wanted to test 208 00:13:28,080 --> 00:13:33,240 what he himself would do. And he finally said that 209 00:13:33,600 --> 00:13:38,320 he would call security. I said, I don't believe you. 210 00:13:38,720 --> 00:13:41,320 I don't believe that you would call security and then 211 00:13:41,960 --> 00:13:46,759 hope that somebody in the airport's security apparatus would eventually 212 00:13:46,840 --> 00:13:50,840 get to your zone and then get to that bathroom. Meanwhile, 213 00:13:50,879 --> 00:13:53,480 your daughter is in there and I followed her in. 214 00:13:54,320 --> 00:13:56,080 I don't think you would do that. I think you 215 00:13:56,080 --> 00:14:01,320 would walk in. But more importantly, the fact that you 216 00:14:01,360 --> 00:14:05,919 would call security proves my point, which is that we 217 00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:08,399 are all the potty police, which is what the left 218 00:14:08,879 --> 00:14:12,759 called pat mcquarie, and they made all sorts of these 219 00:14:12,879 --> 00:14:19,679 vulgar references to the desire of Republicans to inspect everybody's junk. No, 220 00:14:22,000 --> 00:14:26,279 we do not want to be like a potty police 221 00:14:26,399 --> 00:14:30,200 enforcement agency or something. But we in a high trust 222 00:14:30,320 --> 00:14:36,559 society are, in fact everybody you me everyone in public spaces. Right, 223 00:14:37,279 --> 00:14:43,720 we're supposed to uphold the norms, the standards. We're supposed 224 00:14:43,759 --> 00:14:47,039 to respect those standards because we are living with other 225 00:14:47,080 --> 00:14:48,600 people in our society. 226 00:14:48,919 --> 00:14:52,960 Speaker 1: Right. Look, if you want to wiz off. 227 00:14:52,799 --> 00:14:55,559 Speaker 2: Your porch into your front yard, you are free to 228 00:14:55,600 --> 00:14:58,000 do so as long as you're not in the vicinity 229 00:14:58,000 --> 00:15:00,480 of anybody else and nobody is seeing you, right Like, 230 00:15:00,519 --> 00:15:03,600 that's the These are the trade offs of living out 231 00:15:03,639 --> 00:15:06,799 in the sticks with nobody around you, versus living in 232 00:15:07,000 --> 00:15:09,120 like a high rise apartment. You don't get to do 233 00:15:09,240 --> 00:15:13,159 that kind of thing. There are trade offs. And when 234 00:15:13,320 --> 00:15:16,279 when you go to a highly populated or any you know, 235 00:15:16,360 --> 00:15:21,600 populated area, any kind of a public square, there are 236 00:15:21,679 --> 00:15:26,039 standards and the community sets those standards. And so this 237 00:15:26,279 --> 00:15:30,159 is the House build Too. And now this new iteration 238 00:15:30,279 --> 00:15:34,639 of it, which is called Senate Bill five sixteen s 239 00:15:34,720 --> 00:15:42,720 five sixteen, this is the manifestation of the society setting 240 00:15:42,919 --> 00:15:52,240 a standard. Nine years nine years since HB two, things 241 00:15:52,279 --> 00:15:58,039 have changed. Right, people were not equipped to make these arguments, 242 00:15:58,080 --> 00:16:02,159 and people were afraid of countering the left wing narratives 243 00:16:02,200 --> 00:16:06,720 that were immediately rolled out by Democrats in the media. 244 00:16:06,759 --> 00:16:09,759 But I repeat myself, the bill, Senate Bill five point sixteen, 245 00:16:10,279 --> 00:16:15,039 according to WRAL, is not as sweeping as House Bill 246 00:16:15,080 --> 00:16:18,600 Too was, which banned transgender people from using the bathroom 247 00:16:18,639 --> 00:16:24,720 of the gender they identify as in all city, county 248 00:16:24,759 --> 00:16:29,799 and state buildings. Again this is WRAL. So they use 249 00:16:29,960 --> 00:16:35,960 the left wing narratives, the vocabulary, the gender that they 250 00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:39,639 identify with. Right, they still say that, but we're talking 251 00:16:39,720 --> 00:16:43,360 about members of the opposite sex. 252 00:16:43,759 --> 00:16:44,960 Speaker 1: That's what we're talking about. 253 00:16:45,720 --> 00:16:48,159 Speaker 2: If you are a dude, you do not get to 254 00:16:48,360 --> 00:16:55,440 access the women's spaces. The new bill would not apply 255 00:16:55,600 --> 00:16:58,960 to many government buildings, but it would apply to public 256 00:16:59,000 --> 00:17:03,000 schools and prisons, as well as some other institutions that 257 00:17:03,080 --> 00:17:09,480 receive government funding, such as domestic violence shelters. Right, so, 258 00:17:09,720 --> 00:17:15,480 obviously this bill is monstrous. How dare you say a 259 00:17:15,440 --> 00:17:21,799 as a man cannot access the domestic violentce shelter? What 260 00:17:21,839 --> 00:17:24,319 are you guys even doing here? 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It also stops short, 287 00:18:51,319 --> 00:18:55,480 according to Wral of a full ban on transgender access 288 00:18:55,519 --> 00:18:59,039 into the bathrooms all over, essentially saying transgender people can 289 00:18:59,079 --> 00:19:03,079 only use bathroom, changing rooms or sleeping quarters of the 290 00:19:03,160 --> 00:19:06,640 gender they identify as if nobody else is present. Right, So, 291 00:19:06,640 --> 00:19:11,640 in other words, it's a it's a women's bathroom, and 292 00:19:11,720 --> 00:19:16,640 a guy who thinks he's a woman will be allowed 293 00:19:16,640 --> 00:19:19,799 to access that room if there's nobody in there, so 294 00:19:19,960 --> 00:19:24,200 that you won't be violating any law. A single or 295 00:19:24,319 --> 00:19:29,960 multiple occupancy restroom changing facility or sleeping quarters within a 296 00:19:30,039 --> 00:19:32,440 covered facility, not like with a roof, but like a 297 00:19:32,440 --> 00:19:35,599 facility that's covered by the law, shall only be used 298 00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:40,559 by one designated biological sex at one time. The bill 299 00:19:40,599 --> 00:19:46,279 also clarifies that trans children who stay with classmates overnight 300 00:19:46,359 --> 00:19:50,920 on field trips, lock ins, or other school activities have 301 00:19:51,079 --> 00:19:54,079 to room with members of their birth gender, not the 302 00:19:54,200 --> 00:19:59,920 gender that they identify as Democratic lawmakers decried the bill 303 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:04,200 bill saying gob lawmakers need to move on from their 304 00:20:04,240 --> 00:20:07,759 focus on transgender people, which this is always one of 305 00:20:07,839 --> 00:20:12,160 those talking points. I never understand why people say it. 306 00:20:12,480 --> 00:20:17,880 There are literally hundreds of bills that have been filed 307 00:20:18,039 --> 00:20:22,160 in the legislative session, hundreds of them by Republicans. The 308 00:20:22,240 --> 00:20:24,519 idea that this is a quote focus and this is 309 00:20:24,559 --> 00:20:27,759 the only focus of Republicans is absurd. 310 00:20:27,839 --> 00:20:28,279 Speaker 1: Number one. 311 00:20:28,400 --> 00:20:32,640 Speaker 2: Number two, the reason why they have to do this 312 00:20:32,799 --> 00:20:37,079 is because you guys focused on this stuff. You guys 313 00:20:37,440 --> 00:20:44,480 kept pushing the envelope, you guys kept transgressing, and now 314 00:20:44,519 --> 00:20:46,160 that there is pushback. 315 00:20:45,680 --> 00:20:48,400 Speaker 1: You're like, why are you going to focus on this issue. 316 00:20:48,599 --> 00:20:54,480 Speaker 2: No, it's a response to your focus on the issue. 317 00:20:54,519 --> 00:20:58,599 Senator State Senator Julie Mayfield out of Bunkhom County, so Ashville. 318 00:20:59,519 --> 00:21:05,960 She said, quote, we need to recognize who people are. Yes, 319 00:21:06,160 --> 00:21:08,039 I agree, and that is what we are doing. That 320 00:21:08,160 --> 00:21:11,200 is what the law does. It recognizes who people are. 321 00:21:11,480 --> 00:21:15,519 It is an immutable, unchangeable characteristic. You are a male, 322 00:21:15,559 --> 00:21:19,240 you are a female. By the way, do not ask 323 00:21:19,319 --> 00:21:22,000 Julie Mayfield anything about economics. She was on the Charlette 324 00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:24,880 or the Asheville City Council while I was up there, 325 00:21:25,079 --> 00:21:33,799 and she believed that if you provide enough supply, then 326 00:21:33,839 --> 00:21:37,400 you'll get the demand. That's what she said during a 327 00:21:37,480 --> 00:21:41,240 Nashville City Council meeting that we have to like She's like, 328 00:21:41,559 --> 00:21:43,200 that's just basic supply and demand. 329 00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:44,240 Speaker 1: And I'm not an economist. 330 00:21:44,279 --> 00:21:45,799 Speaker 2: I used to run this sound bite all the time, 331 00:21:46,160 --> 00:21:49,839 but she talked about how she never took an economics class, 332 00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:50,519 and it shows. 333 00:21:51,119 --> 00:21:52,880 Speaker 1: It shows. 334 00:21:55,039 --> 00:21:59,640 Speaker 2: In twenty sixteen, House Build two was passed and signed 335 00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:05,079 into law. That law, according to wil prompted PayPal, the 336 00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:08,000 online money transfer service, to cancel A three and a 337 00:22:08,039 --> 00:22:10,799 half million dollar global operations center that would have employed 338 00:22:10,799 --> 00:22:14,720 four hundred people in Charlotte. Lionsgate Films moved production for 339 00:22:14,759 --> 00:22:18,880 a comedy series pilot from Charlotte to Canada. Other firms 340 00:22:19,079 --> 00:22:22,319 threatened to halt expansion plans in the state. The NBA, 341 00:22:22,599 --> 00:22:27,000 the NCAA, the ACC all canceled athletic events, and more 342 00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:29,559 than two hundred CEOs signed a letter calling on state 343 00:22:29,640 --> 00:22:33,119 leaders to repeal the law. The law was partially repealed 344 00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:37,119 after Democrat Governor Roy Cooper defeated McCrory in twenty sixteen. 345 00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:40,880 Now A wil doesn't mention anywhere in this article is 346 00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:42,799 what we learned from a report at the Wall Street 347 00:22:42,839 --> 00:22:46,400 Journal at the time, which was that Roy Cooper whipped 348 00:22:46,640 --> 00:22:51,640 up the business leader's actions. He made a call to 349 00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:58,720 the salesforce guy who is a big time lefty Megadnor Benioff, 350 00:22:58,759 --> 00:23:03,359 ben Steve benyonlf I think is his name, LGBT guy, 351 00:23:04,039 --> 00:23:08,200 and he then applied pressure and whipped up and rounded 352 00:23:08,279 --> 00:23:11,480 up a lot of his pals in the business industry 353 00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:16,839 to target North Carolina. And Roy Cooper then threatened his 354 00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:21,680 fellow Democrats in the legislature to not work on any 355 00:23:21,799 --> 00:23:26,200 kind of amendments or changes to House Build two until 356 00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:30,279 after the election because he wanted the issue. 357 00:23:31,079 --> 00:23:32,880 Speaker 1: So he. 358 00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:39,559 Speaker 2: Basically helped to organize and foment the targeting of his 359 00:23:39,599 --> 00:23:42,599 own state, a boycott of his own state he was 360 00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:46,839 Attorney General at the time, because it served his political aims, 361 00:23:47,039 --> 00:23:52,359 his personal political goals. That's what Roy Cooper does, that's 362 00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:55,160 who he is. And as soon as he got into office, 363 00:23:55,599 --> 00:24:01,000 he then sold out the LGBTQ crowd by signing the 364 00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:05,200 partial repeal of House Bill too. But like they did 365 00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:08,079 it in phases and whatever and so, and the lgbt 366 00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:10,559 folks just wanted to straight up repeal. They wanted it gone, 367 00:24:11,039 --> 00:24:13,799 and Roy Cooper ran on a promise to do that. 368 00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:16,720 And then as soon as he got in and after 369 00:24:16,759 --> 00:24:19,319 Democrats had refused to do any kind of repeal, he 370 00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:21,640 told them, you will have no role in my administration 371 00:24:21,759 --> 00:24:23,559 if I win. He told him that, like he's gonna 372 00:24:23,559 --> 00:24:27,200 punish you. And we saw over his eight year tenure 373 00:24:27,319 --> 00:24:30,480 we saw him do that, go after his fellow Democrats 374 00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:35,519 and primaries and the like. So he won and then 375 00:24:35,559 --> 00:24:38,759 he signed the repeal and the LGBT crowd was not 376 00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:43,160 happy because it wasn't a full repeal. In recent years, though, 377 00:24:44,319 --> 00:24:48,799 wil says, Republicans in North Carolina and other states have 378 00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:51,680 taken up a new focus on transgender topics as the 379 00:24:51,759 --> 00:24:56,039 issue has energized voters in the GOP base others. It's 380 00:24:56,079 --> 00:24:59,839 not just the GOP base, guys, Wil not just GOP. 381 00:25:00,839 --> 00:25:04,079 One of the most effective ads Trump ran that got 382 00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:05,559 a lot of people over to his side. 383 00:25:06,079 --> 00:25:10,160 Speaker 1: Right, Kamala is for they them, Donald Trump is for you. Right. 384 00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:13,839 Speaker 2: There were economic reasons, right, inflation, taxes, all of that, 385 00:25:15,039 --> 00:25:20,359 but this issue, like the left went too far and 386 00:25:20,559 --> 00:25:23,920 Wral has a blind spot for that, because the thing 387 00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:25,599 about being on the left is that you can never 388 00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:26,279 go too far. 389 00:25:27,079 --> 00:25:28,519 Speaker 1: They don't think that that's possible. 390 00:25:29,039 --> 00:25:31,599 Speaker 2: All right, So spring is here a time of renewal 391 00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:36,200 and celebrations. You've got graduations, weddings, anniversaries and the special 392 00:25:36,279 --> 00:25:38,799 days for mom and dad. Your family's making memories that 393 00:25:38,799 --> 00:25:40,920 are going to last a lifetime. 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Also, 415 00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:57,720 I'm old enough to remember the kid who had a 416 00:26:57,720 --> 00:27:00,960 peanut allergy having to eat lunch in the office or 417 00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:04,200 hallway instead of banning peanut products for the whole school. 418 00:27:04,799 --> 00:27:09,079 Individual rights are important, but you can't inconvenience everybody to 419 00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:13,720 accommodate a very small group, right. This is I was 420 00:27:13,759 --> 00:27:17,640 talking about this competing interests, the competing rights issue being 421 00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:21,920 at the heart of the HB two debate and transgender 422 00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:25,599 access into these safe spaces for women. They are competing, 423 00:27:26,839 --> 00:27:30,160 they are competing interests. You cannot allow both. You cannot 424 00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:34,000 designate something to be a female only space and then 425 00:27:34,039 --> 00:27:36,920 have somebody come along and say there is no such 426 00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:43,160 thing as female right, So there has to be a 427 00:27:43,279 --> 00:27:46,960 decision made, And at first a lot of people in 428 00:27:47,039 --> 00:27:51,200 society said, Okay, we'll accommodate. We don't want to be 429 00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:53,440 accused of being transphobic, we don't want to be accused 430 00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:56,079 of being a bigot. We don't hate these people, because 431 00:27:56,119 --> 00:27:59,359 that's what we were told we were doing. If we said, well, no, 432 00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:04,079 maybe we should didn't allow women or men into like 433 00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:08,640 the showers with the women, because the opportunity there for 434 00:28:08,839 --> 00:28:12,319 bad actors to take advantage of the situation is too great. 435 00:28:14,079 --> 00:28:15,839 And we were called all sorts of names for that, 436 00:28:19,039 --> 00:28:23,960 and that's always been, in my mind, the heart of 437 00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:27,839 the issue. So let's talk to Mike. Hello, Mike, Welcome 438 00:28:27,839 --> 00:28:28,279 to the show. 439 00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:31,599 Speaker 3: Hey, Pete, how are you doing on this wonderful Wednesday? 440 00:28:31,559 --> 00:28:32,200 Speaker 1: And I'm doing all right? 441 00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:35,200 Speaker 3: How are you good? Deal? Yeah, I'm going to find 442 00:28:36,079 --> 00:28:38,240 I wanted to find what just because you just talked 443 00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:43,880 about just now the opportunity for bad actors to act bad. 444 00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:48,000 And one of my first questions, I guess because I 445 00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:50,640 just I don't know. Maybe I'm just not reading enough. 446 00:28:51,839 --> 00:29:00,400 How I spread this problem? What problem of transgender women 447 00:29:01,519 --> 00:29:06,920 going into women's bathrooms and causing any kind of problem? 448 00:29:10,559 --> 00:29:13,480 Speaker 1: Maybe I'm just not reading correct, that would be correct. 449 00:29:13,519 --> 00:29:15,039 You are not okay? 450 00:29:15,079 --> 00:29:18,599 Speaker 3: So can you tell me, like maybe five instances in North. 451 00:29:19,559 --> 00:29:22,240 Speaker 1: Why just North? Wait? Why just North Carolina? 452 00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:24,200 Speaker 3: How about in the country? Then? 453 00:29:24,319 --> 00:29:26,079 Speaker 1: Yeah, because there, Yeah, so I am. 454 00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:29,920 Speaker 2: I regularly come across stories regularly, like I couldn't even care. 455 00:29:30,039 --> 00:29:32,039 It's way more than five. I don't keep track of 456 00:29:32,079 --> 00:29:34,400 the number. For you, Mike, I doubt it would persuade 457 00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:36,400 you either way, because whatever number I gave you, you would 458 00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:39,240 still say is probably not enough. But it does happen 459 00:29:39,279 --> 00:29:43,519 all the time, regularly, regularly, it goes yet, it goes 460 00:29:43,559 --> 00:29:47,200 on in prisons. Guys get sentenced into and then say 461 00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:49,119 they're trans and they go into women's prisons and then 462 00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:50,880 they offend in the women's prison. 463 00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:52,519 Speaker 1: That happens regularly. 464 00:29:52,839 --> 00:29:55,880 Speaker 2: It happens regularly where people are arrested and they claim 465 00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:58,400 to be trans and we don't know if they are 466 00:29:58,519 --> 00:30:00,400 or not because they can just say that they are, 467 00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:04,000 and they got access into a women's restroom. That happens. 468 00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:10,319 It happens regularly, Mike. So I come across stories about this. 469 00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:13,599 I would say probably once every two weeks if I 470 00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:14,960 had to, if I had to, gets. 471 00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:19,160 Speaker 3: And these are trans women that just use. 472 00:30:19,039 --> 00:30:21,839 Speaker 1: The that now they're dudes. Yeah, they're dudes going into 473 00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:23,720 women only spaces. 474 00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:28,200 Speaker 3: When you say they're dudes, yeah, you know, like like 475 00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:31,319 listen to be like you in the airport following the 476 00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:32,680 daughter hypothetically. 477 00:30:32,799 --> 00:30:33,519 Speaker 1: No, I'm talking about it. 478 00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:37,680 Speaker 2: I'm talking about a human being that has that has 479 00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:39,160 the chromosomes of a male. 480 00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:42,039 Speaker 1: It is an adult male. That is what a dude is. 481 00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:49,599 Speaker 3: Okay, Well, you understand, of course that while it's only 482 00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:52,839 a very small percentage, maybe one, two or three percent 483 00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:56,759 of human beings on this earth do not have your 484 00:30:56,839 --> 00:30:59,359 basic male female. Ah. 485 00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:03,039 Speaker 2: Yes, the old Ffleinfelter syndrome argument, right, the point zero 486 00:31:03,079 --> 00:31:05,480 one percent or the intersex argument is that the one 487 00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:07,400 you're going to make here. 488 00:31:07,519 --> 00:31:10,200 Speaker 3: There are certain ones. I mean, most people needs to 489 00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:12,799 have an x chemoizone or yeah, yeah. 490 00:31:12,839 --> 00:31:13,559 Speaker 1: So this is right. 491 00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:16,279 Speaker 2: So, Mike, what we're talking about is setting rules for 492 00:31:16,359 --> 00:31:19,039 the ninety nine point nine percent of the population that 493 00:31:19,119 --> 00:31:21,960 lives in a civil society, right, And that's. 494 00:31:21,839 --> 00:31:24,680 Speaker 3: Where I'm asking, so of those people, how big a 495 00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:25,599 problem is this? 496 00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:28,640 Speaker 2: Why are you limiting it only to the intersects. Why 497 00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:35,079 wouldn't you Why wouldn't you make it about all all dudes? Well, 498 00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:39,400 the laws in the books now, right, right, that's after 499 00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:41,359 the fact. I already addressed that this is what I 500 00:31:41,359 --> 00:31:43,880 mean you're making, Mike. I already outlined all of these 501 00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:47,039 arguments that you're stating at the beginning of the hour. 502 00:31:47,319 --> 00:31:49,920 I went through these arguments that the left makes, and 503 00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:53,000 I don't I am not persuaded by any of them. 504 00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:56,240 Speaker 3: I'm just asking for the why there's such a need, 505 00:31:56,319 --> 00:31:57,839 and more importantly. 506 00:31:57,680 --> 00:32:00,119 Speaker 2: Why there's such a need is because women only spaces 507 00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:04,599 are we're designed for a certain societal benefit, was to protect. 508 00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:09,519 Speaker 3: Women, Okay, And I guess what I'm asking is how 509 00:32:10,839 --> 00:32:14,799 risks are women from this huge problems that folks on 510 00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:17,400 the right seem to be talking about all the time. 511 00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:19,839 Speaker 1: So should we so, Mike, should we have no? Should 512 00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:20,240 we have no? 513 00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:20,799 Speaker 3: Uh? 514 00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:23,559 Speaker 2: Should we have no laws against homicide? Because it doesn't 515 00:32:23,559 --> 00:32:25,440 really happen a whole lot, really when you look at 516 00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:26,039 the entire. 517 00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:29,160 Speaker 3: Population, ridiculous stretch. 518 00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:34,559 Speaker 2: Why you're making the numbers argument, You're you're appealing, You're 519 00:32:34,599 --> 00:32:38,160 appealing to the frequency as if that gives you some 520 00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:40,720 sort of moral standing, and it doesn't. 521 00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:44,359 Speaker 3: Making any moral arguments, I'm talking about pricticity. 522 00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:46,480 Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, you're you are making moral You're 523 00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:48,279 saying that, why are you focused on this? 524 00:32:48,359 --> 00:32:50,839 Speaker 1: Why are we spending time on this? Because the numbers 525 00:32:50,839 --> 00:32:51,440 are so small? 526 00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:53,880 Speaker 3: Right, that's my question? 527 00:32:54,079 --> 00:32:57,440 Speaker 1: Right, So why have homicide laws because. 528 00:32:57,160 --> 00:32:59,960 Speaker 3: They're more homicide in our problems? Like you're talking about? 529 00:33:01,559 --> 00:33:04,440 Speaker 2: So, wait, you think homicides occur more often than say, 530 00:33:05,079 --> 00:33:06,519 sexual offenses. 531 00:33:09,359 --> 00:33:14,720 Speaker 3: Much more often than problems of transgender women going into 532 00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:17,279 women's backroom, I will say that. 533 00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:18,319 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, so am I right? 534 00:33:18,519 --> 00:33:18,680 Speaker 3: No? 535 00:33:18,519 --> 00:33:20,359 Speaker 2: No, no, So that's why I said, though, you have 536 00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:24,599 a societal impact as well, that when you open up 537 00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:27,920 all of the spaces, you give more hunting grounds for 538 00:33:28,039 --> 00:33:30,599 the predators. And I would prefer not to allow those 539 00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:34,039 hunting grounds to be opened up. That's and again, I 540 00:33:34,079 --> 00:33:36,000 went through all of these arguments at the beginning, and 541 00:33:36,039 --> 00:33:38,319 they're not persuasive, and it's why you guys are losing 542 00:33:38,319 --> 00:33:39,960 on this issue, and you will continue to lose on 543 00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:40,400 the issue. 544 00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:43,400 Speaker 1: But I appreciate the call. All right, that'll do it 545 00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:45,839 for this episode. Thank you so much for listening. 546 00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:48,079 Speaker 2: I could not do the show without your support and 547 00:33:48,119 --> 00:33:50,839 the support of the businesses that advertise on the podcast, 548 00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:53,279 so if you'd like, please support them too and tell 549 00:33:53,319 --> 00:33:55,039 them you heard it here. You can also become a 550 00:33:55,079 --> 00:33:59,720 patron at my Patreon page or go to thepetecleanershow dot com. Again, 551 00:34:00,039 --> 00:34:02,519 thank you so much for listening, and don't break anything 552 00:34:02,519 --> 00:34:07,119 while I'm gone.