Speaker 1: Big Food and beyond.
Speaker 2: With Cliff and Bubo. These guys are your favor It's
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Speaker 2: Rights on yesterday and listening, oh watching Lin always keep
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Speaker 1: And now your host's Cliff Berrickman and James Boobo.
Speaker 2: Fay, Hey Bobs, how you doing man?
Speaker 4: All right?
Speaker 5: You know, just looking at the calendar, I realized it's
Speaker 5: twenty four year anniversary in three days from my first
Speaker 5: for sure, Bigfoot and counter out there in bald Hills.
Speaker 2: Really twenty four years ago, in three days from now.
Speaker 2: So wait, today's May eighteenth, So it's May twenty.
Speaker 4: First, yep.
Speaker 5: And then my big setting was like four or five
Speaker 5: days after that, five days after that. I think you're
Speaker 5: like something about a week away from my first official
Speaker 5: sighting twenty fourth year anniversar. But it seems like just
Speaker 5: a couple of years ago.
Speaker 2: Wow, Yeah, I bet it does. I bet it does.
Speaker 2: Time flies, especially as we get older. Huh.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it was still recent when I when I met you,
Speaker 5: it seemed like it had just happened, you know, like
Speaker 5: I was like, just a couple of years ago, this
Speaker 5: happened here, and then that's over twenty years now.
Speaker 2: I remember when I remember when that happened. Actually I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't even know if I I don't think I
Speaker 2: knew you yet, but I remember it's like, there's no
Speaker 2: way that somebody ran into a big foot while you
Speaker 2: were in the car looking for one. It's because you know,
Speaker 2: Fredis was in the car, not that Rey far. It's
Speaker 2: like there's no way. While on the radio, Oh come on,
Speaker 2: and then go figure, I'd meet the people involved and
Speaker 2: it's like, oh, yeah, they actually did. How crazy is that?
Speaker 4: Well?
Speaker 5: That was one of the things when we saw it,
Speaker 5: like we were so hesitant to call it in, was
Speaker 5: that like, dude, we're on that sightings radio show with
Speaker 5: Jeff France or Fredis was.
Speaker 4: We were on the radio with him Milwaukee.
Speaker 5: I was just like when I was calling in him,
Speaker 5: I was like, just so has it to say like
Speaker 5: what we saw because it just sounded so nute, Like
Speaker 5: what's the odds?
Speaker 4: This just sounds so phony.
Speaker 2: Do you ever get a copy of that radio show?
Speaker 4: It was on the air. I don't know what happened
Speaker 4: to it.
Speaker 5: I used to have a copy somewhere on cassette tape.
Speaker 5: I had a copy of it, but I don't know.
Speaker 5: I don't and it was online and you couldn't get
Speaker 5: it online anymore. I don't know what happened to I
Speaker 5: think it's just gone as yet Jeff Frent's sightings it
Speaker 5: would have been yeah, May twenty, two thousand and one.
Speaker 2: I hope maybe some of our internet saluts can go
Speaker 2: find that in gift Bobo. With that, that'd be fantastic.
Speaker 4: I'll see if I can find it. That'd be cool
Speaker 4: to hear.
Speaker 2: That'd be rad it'd be totally cool. Nice. Well, happy
Speaker 2: anniversary in a couple of days. Thank you, You're welcome.
Speaker 2: Thank you for seeing the bigfoot?
Speaker 4: Is this the picture on a regular?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 2: This is regular? Is reagular? We have a guest waiting
Speaker 2: in the wing. Should we go ahead and bring him in?
Speaker 4: Yeah? I can't wait to talk to him. I love
Speaker 4: this guy.
Speaker 2: Okay, well, now let's move on to our guest. This
Speaker 2: guy's been big footing pretty much forever as far as
Speaker 2: I'm concerned. He's one of the main features in Kentucky
Speaker 2: bigfoot area. Guy just tons and tons of experience, and
Speaker 2: now he's putting on a conference which is going to
Speaker 2: be at the end of this month. Actually at the
Speaker 2: end of the week, if I understand when this is
Speaker 2: going to be released, on May thirty thirty first, he's
Speaker 2: going to be hosting the Red River Gorge Bigfoot Festival.
Speaker 2: So here's our guest, the levely and talented Charlie Raymond. Charlie,
Speaker 2: how you doing. Man, it's great to have me back
Speaker 2: on Bigfoot and beyond. Charlie, howdy.
Speaker 3: I'm excited to be back. And yeah, Cliff, you should
Speaker 3: know when when this festival festival occurs, because you are
Speaker 3: one of our presenters.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's one of the only reasons I even
Speaker 2: know that it exists. And thank you very much for
Speaker 2: inviting me out. I think this is going to be
Speaker 2: Is this the first year of the event?
Speaker 3: Yeah, very first year the festival. The way it came about,
Speaker 3: there's an old drive in there and I thought, man,
Speaker 3: wouldn't that be cool to watch the legend of Boggie Creek.
Speaker 3: And then prior to that, prior to the showing, you
Speaker 3: have a couple of bigfoot researchers come up, share some
Speaker 3: evidence from Kentucky or where else and make it like
Speaker 3: half a day event, you know, and then it just grew,
Speaker 3: it grew into a full blown festival, and they asked me,
Speaker 3: who do you want to speak, and of course Cliff
Speaker 3: and Meldrum, those are the top two that I came
Speaker 3: right to my head, and lucky, lucky enough, we got
Speaker 3: both of.
Speaker 2: You, the Jedi and his Paddawan. Yeah, I'm I'm I'm
Speaker 2: flattered that doctor Meldrum refers to me as his paddlewan.
Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, absolutely, how cool? So are you saying
Speaker 2: that this is going to be in a drive in
Speaker 2: theater like like like like the full drive in with
Speaker 2: the speakers and all that sort of stuff.
Speaker 3: Now it's it's so he moved it to the city
Speaker 3: park because we needed needed more room. We loaded it
Speaker 3: up full of kids, activities and arts and crafts and contests,
Speaker 3: hundreds of vendors and food trucks and you know, it's
Speaker 3: a full blown festival. So we needed more room. So
Speaker 3: we actually moved it to Stanton City Park.
Speaker 2: Because stuff like this, especially down you know Kentucky and
Speaker 2: Ohio and West virgin like that whole zone of the country,
Speaker 2: these things spiral almost out of control, and how fast
Speaker 2: they grow and how many people come to these things.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we on the event with little advertising. We just
Speaker 3: made the Facebook event, twenty two thousand people are interested,
Speaker 3: so it just kind of blew up and we got
Speaker 3: lots of sponsors. We kept adding things hot air balloon rides.
Speaker 3: We have search and rescue there. They're going to do
Speaker 3: a presentation. We have a gentleman going to do survival training.
Speaker 3: So it's going to be educational entertainment, you know. Of
Speaker 3: course we got the Mountain Monsters, you know, to add
Speaker 3: a little bit of entertainment to the show.
Speaker 2: A little bit.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, a while Bill. You know, he's full of energy.
Speaker 2: So yeah, hence the name, right, Oh, that's fantastic. Well,
Speaker 2: you know, we'll circle back around to this towards the
Speaker 2: end of the podcast interview here. But you know, I
Speaker 2: know we've had you on the podcast before, but that
Speaker 2: was years ago now, So like, what are some of
Speaker 2: the highlights of the intervening years that you got to
Speaker 2: do or got to experience or research or something like that.
Speaker 2: You know, like, what have you been up to since
Speaker 2: we had you on the podcast last?
Speaker 3: So witnesses, I'm getting tons of witnesses coming forward. And
Speaker 3: the nice part is they're willing to go on video.
Speaker 3: It doesn't take much. I don't know if they I'm
Speaker 3: a good salesperson, or they trust me. I don't know
Speaker 3: what it is. They feel confident with me. And I said,
Speaker 3: can I have video tape this? Oh? Sure? And I
Speaker 3: put it on my YouTube channel and you get to
Speaker 3: watch them tell their you know, encounter, which I love
Speaker 3: because back in the day, you know, thirty years ago,
Speaker 3: when I when I started this, I would type everything
Speaker 3: out and I was a I was a pecker, you know,
Speaker 3: two fingers. I just peck, peck, peck, peck.
Speaker 2: I've never heard anyone call you that.
Speaker 3: There was a few people anyway. It just took forever,
Speaker 3: and then you're reading it, it loses it. But when
Speaker 3: you hear somebody like him on your podcast, or you
Speaker 3: see somebody like on my YouTube video and they risk
Speaker 3: a lot to go on video, you know, which blows
Speaker 3: me away. Because I've gotten now law enforcement veterans on
Speaker 3: my YouTube channel, and something real exciting here. I'm going
Speaker 3: to jump into it real quick, because about three weeks ago,
Speaker 3: I had a sergeant come on from Fort Knox and
Speaker 3: his name, let me see, his name was Corey Robert Robinson.
Speaker 3: He was E five whatever that means, E five sergeant
Speaker 3: Fort Knox in twenty ten. He let me videotape him
Speaker 3: and they saw three bigfoot in a week on Fort Knox. Him,
Speaker 3: his compadre and another sergeant on another occasion within a
Speaker 3: week saw three bigfoots on Fort Knox. Amazing story. And
Speaker 3: I even asked him afterwards, I said, are you leary
Speaker 3: to go on video? He goes, no, Man, we all
Speaker 3: saw it. We know we saw. I'm no longer you know,
Speaker 3: in the in the military, and I've told a lot
Speaker 3: of people and I don't care. And the reason why
Speaker 3: he contacted me. I've got another story. It's a horrific
Speaker 3: story and I'm gonna I'm not going to go into it.
Speaker 3: I've shared it many times. It's on my channel. It's
Speaker 3: a deathbed confession of them killing four bigfoot on Fort Knox.
Speaker 3: It's it's it's terrible, uh, but very believable because his son,
Speaker 3: that the sergeant, has now died. This is the one
Speaker 3: who gave me the testimony of killing four of them
Speaker 3: and the reason why he told me he had terminal cancer.
Speaker 3: And he did tell me once he passes on, I
Speaker 3: could release it. So that testimony is an audio testimony,
Speaker 3: it's a phone conversation. It's on my YouTube channel. His
Speaker 3: son contacted me and thanked me for sharing that. At first,
Speaker 3: I thought he's going to be angry. I go, oh,
Speaker 3: who are you? I go oh, I'm his son. I
Speaker 3: go oh, and he goes, no, I appreciate you sharing
Speaker 3: his story because he told a few people before he passed,
Speaker 3: and it was good to hear his voice again and
Speaker 3: everything he said was true. So now this sergeant, another sergeant,
Speaker 3: Corey Robinson, comes forward a couple of weeks ago or
Speaker 3: a month ago, and he goes, the reason I contacted you,
Speaker 3: I heard that testimony of the death, that confession on
Speaker 3: Fort Knox and I'm killing four and I'm telling you this.
Speaker 3: They are there. And the interesting thing about the story
Speaker 3: was there is a part of Fort Knox, it's the
Speaker 3: lower half of Fort Knox. And you know Fort Knox
Speaker 3: does not have a wall around it. It backs up
Speaker 3: to you know, neighborhoods and personal property, and the lower
Speaker 3: half of that used to be a tank range. And you,
Speaker 3: Cliff and Bubbo, you'd know the You know this guy,
Speaker 3: he has a YouTube channel. I think he's a I
Speaker 3: think he's in California at a bigfoot museum. He had
Speaker 3: a big beard and a captain's hat. Do you know
Speaker 3: who I'm talking about?
Speaker 2: Is it Mike Rugg, like an older guy, Yeah, with.
Speaker 3: A captain's hat on and a big gray beard. Yes, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: And he had like with a bookstore or a museum.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the Bigfoot Discovery Museum in Felton, California, right outside
Speaker 2: of Santa Cruz.
Speaker 3: So he has a video of him talking about Fort
Speaker 3: Knox and other encounters on Fort Knox. And he talks
Speaker 3: about the tank range where they're doing maneuvers at night
Speaker 3: and they had to stop their maneuvers because this big
Speaker 3: Harry creature ran right across the battlefield, so to speak.
Speaker 3: And he shares some other great stories. Well, since then,
Speaker 3: they had shut down that tank range. It was shut
Speaker 3: down from I think two thousand and four to twenty ten,
Speaker 3: completely shut down, right, no trainings there, no military or anything,
Speaker 3: just forced but heavily guarded. You cannot just walk on
Speaker 3: Fort Knox. You know, there's big signs. In fact is
Speaker 3: I was driving around the area one time in a
Speaker 3: neighborhood and I got on this little road and I
Speaker 3: come to this huge sign Fort Knox, and it was
Speaker 3: I mean, it said blah blah blah blah, blah. The
Speaker 3: very bottom it said deadly force authorized. And that's when
Speaker 3: I knew, okay, turn around, don't proceed. But that's that
Speaker 3: was how you got onto Fort Knox and there was
Speaker 3: no guard there. But I do know that, you know,
Speaker 3: they don't mess around if you try to snink on
Speaker 3: Fort Knox. So this sergeant Corey Robinson said, when they
Speaker 3: started their trainings, it was twenty ten, it had been
Speaker 3: closed for six years. There were fire towers that they
Speaker 3: put thousands of dollars into these fire towers to make
Speaker 3: them surveillance towers to monitor, you know, the training sessions
Speaker 3: in the woods. So thousands of dollars of equipment. Right
Speaker 3: when they got there. There were ransacked, destroyed, nothing stolen.
Speaker 3: He goes, what blew him away is if you had
Speaker 3: you know, meth heads or whatever sneaking on to Fort
Speaker 3: Knox looking just you know, some you know, steal something
Speaker 3: for some money. They didn't take one thing I think
Speaker 3: was just kind of destroyed. And he thinks the Bigfoots
Speaker 3: did it.
Speaker 2: Now what makes him think that, because who.
Speaker 3: In the right mind would sneak on to Fort Knox
Speaker 3: into that, I mean and not steal something. So and
Speaker 3: it was right where the bigfoots were. So that week
Speaker 3: they were there, they saw three bigfoot in that area.
Speaker 3: So he alludes to he thinks maybe the bigfoots destroyed
Speaker 3: this equipment. You know, don't know for sure, no.
Speaker 2: Of course, of course, but it's a reasonable, semi at
Speaker 2: least a semi reasonable speculation. I think, Yeah, stay tuned
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Speaker 2: So, Charlie, I've got a question for you, because all
Speaker 2: in the news right now is this devastating tornado that
Speaker 2: went through London and all that sort of thing in
Speaker 2: Kentucky killed a lot of people. Huge disaster, huge disaster,
Speaker 2: and of course my wife's really interested in the storms.
Speaker 2: So it's a daily thing around here at the Barrackuin household.
Speaker 2: Did that affect you in any way?
Speaker 3: First of all, no, a lot of our friends though, okay,
Speaker 3: it's a lot of lives lost, and we got some
Speaker 3: friends that are first responders. One of the not one
Speaker 3: of our friends, but one of the first responders unfortunately
Speaker 3: died when he was respondings. It's devastating, And you know,
Speaker 3: I thought of something too about the storms. There's another
Speaker 3: tornado that came through Kentucky near me here Babyville, which
Speaker 3: is near the Red River Gorge. And the reason I
Speaker 3: bring that other tornado came up, there were two bigfoot
Speaker 3: sightings right after that tornado. One of them was it's
Speaker 3: it was secondhand, so I didn't speak to the witness.
Speaker 3: And basically what happened was the tornado hit Babyville and
Speaker 3: this brother and sister were driving into town to you know,
Speaker 3: view the devastation and the local town crazy. She was
Speaker 3: in the road and she ran up to them and
Speaker 3: she said, hey, you know, you have to go up
Speaker 3: here to the railroad crossing. There's a guy who's severely injured.
Speaker 3: Can you sit with him until ems can get here.
Speaker 3: They said sure, and then she said, oh, by the way,
Speaker 3: I saw a family a bigfoot walk down off the
Speaker 3: ridge and walk across this field, just out of the blue.
Speaker 3: Like this is like a horrific occasion where the storm
Speaker 3: come through and people are dying and she happens to add, Oh,
Speaker 3: by the way, I saw I think it was four
Speaker 3: or five bigfoot walk down off this ridge or walk
Speaker 3: across this field over here. So they were kind of
Speaker 3: shocked by that, like why would she even say that?
Speaker 3: That doesn't you know, why would you tell a lie?
Speaker 3: And during an emergency like this. So anyway, that's a
Speaker 3: secondhand story. But it made me think about that, and
Speaker 3: I went to my records, and sure enough, I pulled
Speaker 3: up a report right after that tornado hit near Babyville.
Speaker 3: And this was an older lady, she was in her eighties.
Speaker 3: And when I was a school teacher, kids knew that
Speaker 3: I did bigfoot research and their parents loved it because
Speaker 3: the kids would read books and so forth. And one
Speaker 3: mother came to my door one day and knocked on
Speaker 3: my classroom door after school and said, hey, I hate
Speaker 3: to tell you this, And I said, what am I
Speaker 3: in trouble? Just no, my mother thinks she saw bigfoot.
Speaker 3: I go, well, tell her to come see me. So
Speaker 3: another day after school, there's another knock on my door
Speaker 3: and a little old lady comes up and says, Hi,
Speaker 3: I'm so and So's mom. I saw the bigfoot. Oh great,
Speaker 3: come on in so I shut my door. She sat
Speaker 3: in one of the student's desks and she said, and
Speaker 3: she was sweet. You know, she was like my late mother.
Speaker 3: When they tell a story, they had to tell you
Speaker 3: everything they did that day, you know, from what they
Speaker 3: had for breakfast, if the dog went poop or you know,
Speaker 3: nothing related to the story. And she's she's telling me
Speaker 3: everything she did that morning. And she said, well, I
Speaker 3: was vacuuming and the news came on, and it was
Speaker 3: right after The Prices Right was on and I turned
Speaker 3: the vacuum off and I'm standing there and this gentleman
Speaker 3: came on the news talking about Bigfoot, and he showed
Speaker 3: how bigfoots walk, how they swing their arms, really dramatic,
Speaker 3: and I about fell over. I actually sat down on
Speaker 3: the couch and I go, oh my god, that's what
Speaker 3: I saw. So what happened was she was driving the
Speaker 3: Mountain Parkway not too far from Babyville in the Red
Speaker 3: River Gorge area. It was late in the day, around
Speaker 3: five or six, and she said, I was talking out
Speaker 3: loud to myself, I go, what's that man doing? Why
Speaker 3: is he wearing all black? And where's where's his truck at?
Speaker 3: Because literally, the woods would come up to the parkway
Speaker 3: there was no guardrail, and then woods. Okay, she said,
Speaker 3: where he came right out of the woods and stepped
Speaker 3: over the guardrail, went across the parkway about oh gosh,
Speaker 3: a quarter of half a mile or so in front
Speaker 3: of her car, and she said, what's he doing out here?
Speaker 3: You know, like she thought it was a man dressed
Speaker 3: in all black, and she didn't think anything of it
Speaker 3: until she saw that researcher on the news demonstrate the
Speaker 3: arm swing, and she said, that's what I saw. It
Speaker 3: was swinging its arms, and then I realized I saw
Speaker 3: a bigfoot. And in my notes in this report, it
Speaker 3: was immediately after the tornado hit Babyville.
Speaker 2: So what do you think that suggests about sasquatches and
Speaker 2: any sort of relation to tornado? Do you think they
Speaker 2: move around? Because you know, in the plains it's one thing,
Speaker 2: because tornadoes are no joke wherever they occur, of course,
Speaker 2: but in Kentucky and places like that, where they're becoming
Speaker 2: more and more common every year, it seems this is
Speaker 2: a heavily forested mountain, pretty mountainous area. I mean, we're
Speaker 2: not talking like eight thousand foot peaks, but we're talking
Speaker 2: solid mountains, deep ravines, the whole nine for you know,
Speaker 2: hundreds of miles. What do you think these things do
Speaker 2: to deal with such tumultuous weather conditions?
Speaker 3: Well, you know, like a lot of animals can sense it,
Speaker 3: right when a storm's coming or a tsunami or et cetera,
Speaker 3: and the animals, I guess start to move and take
Speaker 3: cover if you will, And maybe the bigfoots can sense
Speaker 3: it as well, or even after the aftermath. You know,
Speaker 3: their trees are fallen, and you know they're woken up
Speaker 3: from their naps. You know, they got to move out
Speaker 3: of there and everything's displaced. And today do you know it? Today?
Speaker 3: The anniversary is today?
Speaker 2: Well, I do know it. Today is May eighteenth, which
Speaker 2: is the day that Mount Saint Helen's blue in nineteen
Speaker 2: eighty exactly. It's also it's also my parents' wedding anniversary.
Speaker 3: Oh it is, that's more important. Yeah, forty five years
Speaker 3: ago Mount Saint Helens. And you guys know these stories
Speaker 3: of these bigfoots that were supposedly burnt up or dead
Speaker 3: or injured. And Tom Powell writes in his book The
Speaker 3: Locals a case where a bigfoot had walked down and
Speaker 3: burnt up most of his body and sat down by
Speaker 3: ems and their EMS is like do we do we
Speaker 3: contact a vet or do we contact a doctor? You know,
Speaker 3: and and then they of course loaded loaded the big
Speaker 3: foot up never to be seen again. And there's so
Speaker 3: many reports of veterans who were there and supposedly saw
Speaker 3: these bigfoot that were injured or dead. What do you
Speaker 3: guys make of that?
Speaker 5: People have dove in on that, and that's been shown
Speaker 5: to not was I think it was Fred Bradshaw that
Speaker 5: was the original trace back to and he said his
Speaker 5: dad saw it and then like all the just I
Speaker 5: think it was John Kirk maybe that did the real
Speaker 5: dig deep on dig digging deep on it, and but yeah, they.
Speaker 4: Were satisfied that that was totally made. Uh.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's there's two stories there.
Speaker 1: There's the Battle Mountain Complex fire in Nevada where the
Speaker 1: burnt Sasquatch supposedly interacted with emergency services in Tom's book.
Speaker 1: But then the Mount Saint Helens eruption story was the
Speaker 1: black helicopters carrying of things, you know, animals, bodies and
Speaker 1: nets with big hairy arms and legs hanging out of
Speaker 1: the nets. And that did come from Fred Bradshaw, who
Speaker 1: claimed his dad told him that, and then ray Crow
Speaker 1: published that as a quote unquote anonymous source in the
Speaker 1: track record.
Speaker 2: I will say that the museum is only about an
Speaker 2: hour hour and a half from Mount Saint Helens, probably
Speaker 2: hour and a half from Ount Saint Helens, so and
Speaker 2: a lot of people drop by the museum on the
Speaker 2: way to the mountain or on the way off the mountain,
Speaker 2: and it's a wonderful place to go, great tourist location,
Speaker 2: beautiful scenery, volcanic monuments, amazing ape canyons there, et cetera.
Speaker 2: But I get asked that question a lot, and not
Speaker 2: a month goes by. And I could be wrong, but
Speaker 2: certainly even more frequently than that urn of summer, but
Speaker 2: not a month goes by that I don't hear a
Speaker 2: different version of that same genre of story. Sometimes it's
Speaker 2: black helicopters carrying nets with arms and stuff hanging out,
Speaker 2: as Matt mentioned. Other Times it's black SUVs driving up
Speaker 2: and putting bodies in there. Sometimes it's people with the horses,
Speaker 2: and sometimes it's one hundred big foot, sometimes it's one.
Speaker 2: Sometimes stories it just goes on and on and on,
Speaker 2: the variation on a theme is astounding, and therefore I
Speaker 2: don't think there's anything to it. I just think it's
Speaker 2: one of these myths that kind of took legs and
Speaker 2: is walking by, pedally around and refuses to die. That's
Speaker 2: just my take on it. I hope I'm wrong, but
Speaker 2: I don't think I am so.
Speaker 5: On the Battle Mountain one, I know personally two of
Speaker 5: the three chiefs that were on that fire. There was
Speaker 5: bom Land and these guys were there. I've known them
Speaker 5: for thirty five years, and they said they just laughed.
Speaker 4: I said, yeah, I said there.
Speaker 5: Was a like the bulldozer came up and ran over
Speaker 5: the tracks are like they said, it's absolutely total be
Speaker 5: there's nothing new to that story. And these guys would
Speaker 5: were not like covering up. I mean, they would tell
Speaker 5: me if there was something, there was something there.
Speaker 3: I'd see. I confuse the two stories there being burnt up.
Speaker 2: Well, there is so many of them, how can you
Speaker 2: keep them all straight? I mean, honestly, I sympathize with
Speaker 2: you on that one.
Speaker 3: But there's one I'm more familiar with because in Kentucky
Speaker 3: and Tom writes about it as well. The same chapter
Speaker 3: Horse Cave, Kentucky, which is down there by Mammoth Cave,
Speaker 3: which there's been a lot of sightings. Someone hit one
Speaker 3: and of course EMS showed up and they ushered everybody away.
Speaker 3: I guess one or two guys went around and we're
Speaker 3: watching through the woods them bury this bigfoot, and Tom
Speaker 3: Paleill said, can you go back tomorrow, let me know
Speaker 3: what you see, And the bigfoot was dug up, you know,
Speaker 3: just an empty grave. And you know he's alluding to
Speaker 3: the government cover up in that chapter.
Speaker 2: I think, yeah, well as Tom does. I mean, honestly,
Speaker 2: you know, he loves a good conspiracy story. And I
Speaker 2: imagine most conspiracies are not true, but I imagine some are.
Speaker 2: But you know, at the end of the day, nothing
Speaker 2: we can do about it, So what good does it
Speaker 2: do us?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 3: The interesting one that the deathbed confession of Fort Knox
Speaker 3: were that he killed they killed four of them. If
Speaker 3: you listen to his story at the end, and again,
Speaker 3: I was recording him on my phone. He had no
Speaker 3: idea was recording him. He was he was going to
Speaker 3: come on one of my expeditions and he wanted to
Speaker 3: know there was a hospital nearby, and I said, I
Speaker 3: better call the guy, and he goes, I'm my no,
Speaker 3: we're not a believer. And he tells me this horrific story.
Speaker 3: But at the end of the story, he goes, we
Speaker 3: were taken back to Ireland. It's called Ireland Army Hospital
Speaker 3: in Fort Knox, and a man with white hair came in.
Speaker 3: We had a sign non disclosure, We were given shots.
Speaker 3: They took her, took her battle dressed uniforms from us,
Speaker 3: never to speak of it again. And of course I said,
Speaker 3: why are you telling me now? And he goes, well,
Speaker 3: I've got terminal cancer. But he he said they they
Speaker 3: had a protocol like it wasn't like time went by.
Speaker 3: As soon as this happened. A guy came in and
Speaker 3: they called him the creatures, is what he said. So
Speaker 3: he made it sound like it wasn't the first time
Speaker 3: this has happened, and the government obviously was sounds like
Speaker 3: they were covering this up.
Speaker 2: Well, let me ask you this because one of the
Speaker 2: things I know you best for is interviewing witnesses. You know,
Speaker 2: I've thrown you things in the past that I thought
Speaker 2: you might be interested in, remember, like the bigfoot laying
Speaker 2: and the road sort of thing. That's a good one, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: And you and I remember you had a couple of
Speaker 2: stories like that. We can talk about that in a minute.
Speaker 2: But one of the things that any every Bigfoot researcher
Speaker 2: who talks to witnesses runs into is how to discern
Speaker 2: the truth from from not truth? You know, and we
Speaker 2: all have our different things, you know, For me, I
Speaker 2: really well, for me, I just kind of mostly ignore
Speaker 2: sighting reports because how am I supposed to know? And
Speaker 2: I try to focus on other things. But I also
Speaker 2: don't get as much out of them as other people
Speaker 2: because like, you're very extroverted, you love people and you
Speaker 2: like interacting and stuff, and I'm none of those things,
Speaker 2: so so I don't that's not my focus. But for
Speaker 2: a lot of Bigfoot researchers, witnesses are their primary focus.
Speaker 2: And I don't know if that's you or not, but
Speaker 2: I know that you really enjoy the witnessing and get
Speaker 2: a lot out of it. But how does someone any
Speaker 2: big for researcher separate the week from the shaft?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 2: How do we get to the truth? And there's there's
Speaker 2: certainly a grading of truth as well. There's complete bs
Speaker 2: on one end, but there's a lot of gray in
Speaker 2: there too, where there's embellishments and miss memory issues, and
Speaker 2: then there's language issues and interpretation issues, anthropraborifizing the animals,
Speaker 2: and there's all these other things. So you want to
Speaker 2: talk about that too, just for a few moments. Here,
Speaker 2: what's your approach from dealing with people.
Speaker 3: Here's the deal with witnesses. You know, witness testimony is
Speaker 3: admissible in court and helps put people to jail or
Speaker 3: and so forth, So witnesses are crucial in the court
Speaker 3: of law. And I know this is a little different,
Speaker 3: but witnesses have, like Les Straus says that witnesses of
Speaker 3: everything to lose nothing to gain most of the time
Speaker 3: from the ridicule and so forth, and especially to go
Speaker 3: on camera and videotape them. I'm not paying the money.
Speaker 3: They get ridiculed. More than that, he get praised for
Speaker 3: coming forward. So that's one thing. The second thing is
Speaker 3: my degree is in psychology actually, and one thing I
Speaker 3: don't remember much from college. Okay, there's only a couple
Speaker 3: of things I remembered, but my sociology class. I remember this.
Speaker 3: When a person tells a story, they have an audience,
Speaker 3: whether it's one person or a crowd, and it's human
Speaker 3: nature to sell your story to that audience. So what
Speaker 3: you tend to do is embellish your story, especially something
Speaker 3: is far fetched to seeing a bigfoot. Of course you're
Speaker 3: going to exaggerate. You know, the fish wasn't this big.
Speaker 3: The fish was this big, So you know you got
Speaker 3: to take that in consideration that there is some exaggeration,
Speaker 3: some embellishment. You want to get to the facts. And
Speaker 3: I ask open ended questions. I don't lead the witness
Speaker 3: in any way. I go what happened, Let them tell
Speaker 3: me the story. If their story matches from their email
Speaker 3: to their phone conversation to when I meet him in person,
Speaker 3: I generally can tell this guy really saw something.
Speaker 2: Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and
Speaker 2: Bogo will be right back after these messages.
Speaker 3: The bigfoot laying the road is a good example of one.
Speaker 3: This lady was a nurse for twenty some years. She
Speaker 3: took this back road every morning at five am to
Speaker 3: go to the hospital. Was through the woods on a
Speaker 3: little dirt road, and she saw this bigfoot laying in
Speaker 3: the road, and she stopped. And the bigfoot was laying
Speaker 3: in the fetal position, and it stood up without using
Speaker 3: the aid of its arms. Like Albert Osman. You know
Speaker 3: when Albert Osman said that the bigfoot was in the
Speaker 3: cave and it would stand up without using their arms,
Speaker 3: which is pretty amazing to stand up. I don't think
Speaker 3: Bobo could do that even.
Speaker 4: Got it from laying down with no rms.
Speaker 3: No, it was like sitting like say, you're just sitting
Speaker 3: against the wall. Can you stand up without using your arms?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 3: Yeah, be brutal, you can't, I mean hard right, yeah.
Speaker 2: But if anybody can do it, Bobo can.
Speaker 3: Wasn't it John Green that interviewed Albert about was captive
Speaker 3: in the cave.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, he said they stood up. They'd sit like
Speaker 5: cross legged and they would just rise without like.
Speaker 4: Pop right up with no right.
Speaker 3: Okay, not many people know that, right, A lot of
Speaker 3: bigfoot researchers know that story. But this little old lady
Speaker 3: didn't know that story. So it was laying in the
Speaker 3: fetal position, which, by the way, up until that point,
Speaker 3: I've never heard of a big foot laying in the road. Okay,
Speaker 3: So I took that report, interviewed her, sweet old lady,
Speaker 3: very credible, didn't have the internet even and anyway she goes, yeah,
Speaker 3: it was laying in the fetal position with the it's
Speaker 3: back to her. And then when she hit the high
Speaker 3: beams on it, because she stopped, it stood up without
Speaker 3: using its arms. When it went just walk, it threw
Speaker 3: one arm ount in front of it, you know, typical
Speaker 3: arm swing. It threw one hour out and then it
Speaker 3: took a step. It turned at the waist. She said,
Speaker 3: it did not turn its head, you know, because the
Speaker 3: huge trapeziest muscles and such, you know, like Patty, they
Speaker 3: kind of twisted the waist. And then it was like gliding.
Speaker 3: She said, it was gliding on skates. All these terminologies,
Speaker 3: all these behaviors. She had no idea that bigfoots do
Speaker 3: this stuff. And then it walked off the road, and
Speaker 3: I'm like wow. So then I go, I wonder if
Speaker 3: there are more bigfoot reports of them laying in the road.
Speaker 3: And sure enough, I found half a dozen various websites,
Speaker 3: credible websites, credible researchers who had some reports of bigfoots
Speaker 3: laying in the road. I'm guessing, you know, it's cold out,
Speaker 3: this was wintertime. It was keeping warm. It's my hunch.
Speaker 3: But this lady didn't know that even you know, well
Speaker 3: that's a witness. I would say is credible, because again
Speaker 3: she's not a researcher. She didn't even have the Internet.
Speaker 3: How would she know some of this stuff.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I've talked at least seven or eight people that
Speaker 5: have seen him laying in the road.
Speaker 2: Well what did they say, Bobo?
Speaker 5: Yeah, like they're laying there in the fetal position. They're
Speaker 5: always in the feedal position. A couple of years ago,
Speaker 5: I did that one down here where the off duty
Speaker 5: higher patrolman saw that one.
Speaker 4: He reported the BFRO.
Speaker 5: I went down to the big investigation for matt on
Speaker 5: it like, I took a bunch of pictures and spoke
Speaker 5: to the guy.
Speaker 4: A few times.
Speaker 5: And you know, it's weird whether on the side of
Speaker 5: the road of the middle of road. They're always on
Speaker 5: the painted line, But whether the middle or the side
Speaker 5: of the road, that's strange.
Speaker 3: There's another one. So a lady came to one of
Speaker 3: my expeditions and she was, oh, by the way, my
Speaker 3: brother saw Bigfoot. Oh where Oh in Kentucky? Give me
Speaker 3: his number, man, I want to interview him. Right. So
Speaker 3: months go by and I finally got in contact with him.
Speaker 3: He used to work for UPS, which is right kind
Speaker 3: of near Fort Knox, same area, and he worked second
Speaker 3: shift and was late going home. And where he drove,
Speaker 3: I've got dozens of bigfoot sightings. It's a place over
Speaker 3: by Bernheim Forest, and I've got two park rangers had
Speaker 3: seen him in Bernheim Forest. I've got a sheriff, Dipity
Speaker 3: that had seen him multiple times, same area. And he said, well,
Speaker 3: I don't tell many people this story. I just I
Speaker 3: told my family I was it. He goes, do not
Speaker 3: use my name because I'm an engineer with ups work
Speaker 3: on planes, and so you know, I appreciate you not
Speaker 3: using my name. But basically what happened. I was driving
Speaker 3: this road. I was in an F three point fifty,
Speaker 3: you know, it's a pretty big truck, and this big
Speaker 3: was walking along next to the road, right on the
Speaker 3: white line, and his backwards to me. And I went
Speaker 3: right by him. And when I went by him, I
Speaker 3: could not see his head, that's how tall he was.
Speaker 3: It was above my cab on my truck. And he
Speaker 3: took he had took one step off the white line
Speaker 3: like he was going to walk in the road, and
Speaker 3: then as I approached him, he stepped back over. He said,
Speaker 3: look like a like a big gorilla, you know, just
Speaker 3: covered in hair massive. He goes, I don't tell people
Speaker 3: the story I told my family. This guy, it goes
Speaker 3: back to witnesses that have everything to lose, nothing in
Speaker 3: the game. This guy did not contact me, did not
Speaker 3: want to be on a podcast or YouTube for any
Speaker 3: kind of attention. This is another witness that I put
Speaker 3: on a pin on a map of dozens of sightings
Speaker 3: that I call a credible witness, not looking for attention.
Speaker 3: And that's how I weed out a lot of these witnesses,
Speaker 3: the ones that don't even want to talk about it.
Speaker 3: I have another guy real quick. Another report came up
Speaker 3: right and long story short, she said her husband saw
Speaker 3: one along the parkway again. This is by the Red
Speaker 3: River Gorge where that where we're having this festival. By
Speaker 3: the way, he was driving home late late in the
Speaker 3: day and he saw bigfoot in the same area where
Speaker 3: I just put a report across the parkway of another
Speaker 3: guy driving back to Ohio saw bigfoot walking across his field.
Speaker 3: And I go, man, can I talk to your husband?
Speaker 4: So what man?
Speaker 3: She goes, Well, he's a car salesman and he works
Speaker 3: like sixty hours a week. I don't know when he
Speaker 3: has time. I go we will come to your house. Now.
Speaker 3: These are strangers never met him. Eventually they said, okay, fine,
Speaker 3: come out this Sunday. They let my wife and I
Speaker 3: complete strangers come to their house on their porch. And
Speaker 3: he had a no joke. He had like five little
Speaker 3: girls all under the age of ten, like running around,
Speaker 3: and he had a beautiful family. And he let us
Speaker 3: strangers come to his house. And I viewed him on
Speaker 3: his porch. His video interview is on my YouTube channel,
Speaker 3: so you could watch it, and he tells the story
Speaker 3: of watching a bigfoot walking across you know, on the
Speaker 3: side of the parkway in the field right he pulled
Speaker 3: over watched it. Very credible story. This is a witness
Speaker 3: I believe. I think, why would he take the time
Speaker 3: out of his busy schedule with young children and let
Speaker 3: these strangers come to his house for what reason? So
Speaker 3: that's what I'm getting at a lot of these witnesses.
Speaker 3: You got to know the backstory on and that's why
Speaker 3: I think it's crucial their testimony and witnesses tell us
Speaker 3: a lot. We don't have a lot of videos a bigfoot,
Speaker 3: We don't have a lot of pictures of bigfoot. The
Speaker 3: witnesses tell us what they look like. The close encounters
Speaker 3: in Kentucky where I'm talking face to face encounters and
Speaker 3: they have a wide hooded nose and thin lips and
Speaker 3: squared off teeth and big black guys and heavy brows,
Speaker 3: sagital crests. All these physical characteristics are the same. Because
Speaker 3: of all these witnesses, they keep saying the same thing
Speaker 3: over and over again. So witnesses tell us what they
Speaker 3: look like where they live. So I put pins on
Speaker 3: the map, and that's where we go. You know, cliffs
Speaker 3: like to go find tracks and record audio, and so
Speaker 3: witness testimony is crucial, I think to Bigfoot research.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it certainly laid a foundation on which we all
Speaker 2: stand in many many ways. But to me, they come
Speaker 2: down to they're a sign post of where I should
Speaker 2: be looking. And I think that's the main use, you know,
Speaker 2: because I think I talked about this a few weeks
Speaker 2: on the podcast. Like whenever I hear a story about
Speaker 2: something or anything bigfoot related, my next question is always, now,
Speaker 2: what what do we do about that? How is that
Speaker 2: going to help me anyway? How is that going to
Speaker 2: help me? See one, how is that going to help
Speaker 2: the animals?
Speaker 4: How?
Speaker 3: Now?
Speaker 2: What what do we do with that?
Speaker 3: We put a pin on a map and then what
Speaker 3: was it eating? Oh, it was carrying a deer, always
Speaker 3: picking apples off a tree. We know they're omnivores because
Speaker 3: I've got witnesses seeing them eat apples off trees, chasing deer,
Speaker 3: picking up roadkill, dumpster diving. So we have a we
Speaker 3: could form some information on what they eat, where they live,
Speaker 3: their behaviors based on witnesses, because what we learn about
Speaker 3: a lot about their behaviors, you know, So then we
Speaker 3: can learn where do they live. Are they completely nocturnal
Speaker 3: or do they have a polyphasic sleep cycle which I
Speaker 3: had surmised that they sleep every four to six hours
Speaker 3: and they move, they keep moving sleeping. Maybe have a
Speaker 3: century stand guard business based on witnesses of what they
Speaker 3: told me, so, you know, because we've got daytime sightings,
Speaker 3: nighttime sightings. So I think it's advantageous for them to
Speaker 3: sleep for six hours, then move somewhere else, hunt whatever,
Speaker 3: and then sleep again. Have a century stand guard and
Speaker 3: that way we don't walk up on them sleeping all day. Right,
Speaker 3: they're not living in a cave or making a house
Speaker 3: where they sleep all day. Where hikers can walk up
Speaker 3: on them or hunters, so I think they move a lot,
Speaker 3: they sleep, take lots of naps, so to speak. And
Speaker 3: again a lot of this is just based on witness
Speaker 3: testimony in my own personal you know, honors and such.
Speaker 3: So we try to paint a picture based on what
Speaker 3: you know, witnesses in our own our own interactions.
Speaker 2: Are Now have you and I know the vast majority
Speaker 2: of your research has been in the Kentucky area, I mean,
Speaker 2: hence hence your your website, Kentucky Bigfoot Research, which is
Speaker 2: Kentucky Bigfoot dot com. But have you had the opportunity
Speaker 2: to explore vastly different areas of the country, I like,
Speaker 2: like I'm not sure to say, like Tennessee would be
Speaker 2: a vastly different area, you know, like have you been
Speaker 2: to the Pacific northwest or the Southwest for example, or
Speaker 2: up in Canada or anything. Because I'm curious if you
Speaker 2: have noticed, even after speaking with a number of witnesses
Speaker 2: from these areas, any major differences in behavior other than
Speaker 2: like what the whatever is whatever resources are available, you know,
Speaker 2: like maybe deer in certain parts of the country, but
Speaker 2: pigs in another part of the part of the country.
Speaker 2: Have you noticed any vastly different behaviors geographically.
Speaker 3: So the only places I've been squatching that you don't
Speaker 3: like that word quatching, but you know, doing research. I've
Speaker 3: been down in Florida. I've been in Georgia, of course, Tennessee,
Speaker 3: West Virginia, Indiana, Illinois, but not out there by you yet.
Speaker 3: That's all my bucket list to get out there by you,
Speaker 3: Cliff Bobo. But one thing I didn't notice, one little thing,
Speaker 3: and it's just behavior wise. In Kentucky, the bigfoos here
Speaker 3: are not threatening that I don't have one report of
Speaker 3: them hurting a person in over three decades, over seven
Speaker 3: hundred witnesses, some very close encounters where the bigfoot could
Speaker 3: have grabbed, could have hurt the witness, and the bigfoot
Speaker 3: does not. I think they've adapted over thousands of years.
Speaker 3: They're smart enough to know to keep their distance because
Speaker 3: they know we kill stuff, and so they know just
Speaker 3: to observe us. They're curious, et cetera. You know, the
Speaker 3: whole deal. But in Kentucky, we live in their backyards
Speaker 3: and they live in our backyards, so they learn to
Speaker 3: live side by side with us. Yeah, they look in
Speaker 3: a lot of windows. They're look in cars. You know,
Speaker 3: they come up in neighborhoods. So Kentucky's unique in a
Speaker 3: way because of the proximity to them where I would think,
Speaker 3: and you know, Pacific Northwest or Canada and such, you
Speaker 3: don't have as many reports because you know, like you said,
Speaker 3: there's two things. You need to have a sighting. You
Speaker 3: need a bigfoot in the witness. And we you know
Speaker 3: a lot of people don't live right up against them
Speaker 3: in Canada and such, where in Kentucky we live in
Speaker 3: their backyards. So that's why we have so many sightings
Speaker 3: in Kentucky. But I think they learn to respect us
Speaker 3: in a way, or they're just smart. They know to
Speaker 3: keep their distance from us. So I know there's other
Speaker 3: areas that could be more threatening, like you know, Alaska
Speaker 3: or someplace where they suppose they kill people or I
Speaker 3: don't know, but I mean I think here they know
Speaker 3: to survive. They can't they can't touch us, or we will.
Speaker 3: People in Kentucky have guns and we will come hunt them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll say, yeah, you know what else Kentucky has
Speaker 2: that I've always been very impressed with Kentucky. I really
Speaker 2: like that spot that that state for bigfoot in general,
Speaker 2: it's a jungle. Of all the places I've been, at
Speaker 2: least in the States during the summertime, that is the
Speaker 2: place that reminds me most of Vietnam. The jungles of
Speaker 2: Vietnam is Kentucky. And I also know that Bobo loves
Speaker 2: Kentucky as well for similar reasons.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, love that whole is in Tennessee, Kentucky. It's
Speaker 5: you can't western North Carolina, West Virginia.
Speaker 4: It's awesome.
Speaker 3: In fact, that's a good segue to the Red River
Speaker 3: Gorge where the festival is going to be held. The
Speaker 3: Red River Gorge is the number one rock climbing destination
Speaker 3: in the country.
Speaker 2: Really in Kentucky. I would have thought it be in
Speaker 2: Utah or somewhere like that.
Speaker 3: I would have thought that too. We're all so second
Speaker 3: to Utah in natural bridges, and we would be number
Speaker 3: one if we classified every one of them that we
Speaker 3: have here in the Red River Gorge beautiful rock bridges.
Speaker 3: You can walk over them under them, So we're second
Speaker 3: in the nation and rock bridges. And where I think
Speaker 3: we're still number one in airbnbs in the Red River Gorge.
Speaker 2: Okay, weird, number one.
Speaker 3: Awesome, Yeah, but it's a beautiful place and you get
Speaker 3: down in the gorge. It's like a mini Grand canyon.
Speaker 3: You get down in there, and on the brightest of
Speaker 3: days it is it is almost like it's midnight down
Speaker 3: inside the gorge with all the vines and the caves
Speaker 3: and the rock bridges, and you walk through there. Man,
Speaker 3: it is squatchy. It is creepy. In broad daylight, it
Speaker 3: feels like it's nighttime.
Speaker 2: Really wow, I'm not And how deep is the gorge?
Speaker 2: You have any idea, you know, I.
Speaker 3: Don't know that. I don't know that for sure, but
Speaker 3: it's it's kind of like a I would say many many, many,
Speaker 3: many many canyon. It doesn't even compare, but but it
Speaker 3: is pretty deep. You could hike down in there. There's
Speaker 3: lots of trails. People have gotten lost in there for weeks.
Speaker 3: There's a gentleman just not too long ago, for two
Speaker 3: weeks he was lost down there. I don't know how
Speaker 3: that can even happen, but they found him, thank god.
Speaker 2: Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bogo.
Speaker 2: Will be right back after these messages.
Speaker 4: Charlie Cashire real quick.
Speaker 5: Speaking of the topography there, you know, it's like it's
Speaker 5: all kars limestone. There's tons of caves and old mines.
Speaker 5: And how how often do you hear people having like
Speaker 5: encounters involving a cave, whether like seeing one in there,
Speaker 5: or going in or out of one, or like you know,
Speaker 5: like nesting or anything like that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's there's one. Uh, it's in the Red River wards.
Speaker 3: Actually a guy saw a bigfoot and he was camping
Speaker 3: in the cave. And the cave is you know, it
Speaker 3: was immense, and it had a two openings and the
Speaker 3: one opening you could look up to the roof and
Speaker 3: see them see the stars and the moon, and and
Speaker 3: he had walked out and I think to take a pee,
Speaker 3: and walked right into a big foot basically standing there.
Speaker 3: And it's a great report. I took that report, and
Speaker 3: years later doctor Russ Jones, you know, from West Virginia,
Speaker 3: he took the same report from the same witness. Oh
Speaker 3: my god, I interviewed him, the same guy years ago.
Speaker 3: He was camping in the cave and saw the bigfoot.
Speaker 3: I go, oh, yeah, that's pretty cool.
Speaker 1: Was that Glenn the witness?
Speaker 4: You mean?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think we think we had him on the podcast
Speaker 1: in like the first year because that story sounds very familiar.
Speaker 3: I could be. I don't remember his name, but there's
Speaker 3: not many those caves. And what I tell people, you know,
Speaker 3: Mammoth Cave is the largest cave system in the world
Speaker 3: here in Kentucky. There's not many reports of them in caves, okay,
Speaker 3: and I think too smart. You know, let's have an
Speaker 3: exit away out. Why would you risk it, you know,
Speaker 3: unless as severe weather and mean you could stay the
Speaker 3: night there. But they're not going to play house in
Speaker 3: a cave. It's too risky. So yeah, there's not many
Speaker 3: reports in caves here.
Speaker 2: Well, well, speaking of caves, I think we've touched upon
Speaker 2: this last time you're on the podcast. But it's such
Speaker 2: a good story, I want to definitely bring it up again.
Speaker 2: Who was it?
Speaker 4: Who was it?
Speaker 2: The guy? You know, everyone's going to know his name
Speaker 2: when I think of it killed a Yahoo.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, Daniel Boone, Daniel Boone.
Speaker 2: There you go, Daniel Blinney. Of course, there's Daniel blin
Speaker 2: State Forest or National Forest down there in Kentucky as well.
Speaker 2: Now you located the cave, that's if I remember right.
Speaker 2: And has there ever been any follow up on that?
Speaker 3: Okay? Yeah, follow up on that? So The Daniel Boone
Speaker 3: National Forest runs the entire length of Kentucky north to south.
Speaker 3: The Red River Gorge, which, by the way, the festival
Speaker 3: is going to be in, the Red River Gorge is
Speaker 3: in the Daniel Boone National Forest. Daniel Boone, as you know,
Speaker 3: supposed to kill a Yahoo and it could have been
Speaker 3: from you know, Gulliver's Travels. You know the yahoo in there.
Speaker 3: But you know what, he loved that book. But maybe
Speaker 3: that's why he got the name. He liked the book.
Speaker 3: Then he sees a bigfoot and he calls it a Yahoo.
Speaker 3: So it doesn't mean just because he loved the book,
Speaker 3: he made the story up. You know, that's the name
Speaker 3: that reminded him of a giant. So anyway, the story
Speaker 3: goes this. Now, this is a new story. This is
Speaker 3: a new story based on my other research. The Shawnee. Uh,
Speaker 3: there's a couple of stories along the Kentucky River. One
Speaker 3: time the Shawnee kidnapped his daughter and a friend who
Speaker 3: were canoeing on the on the Kentucky River, and Daniel
Speaker 3: Boone it took him a couple of days to go
Speaker 3: get his daughter and friend back from the Shawnee. There's
Speaker 3: kind of this love hate relationship with the Shawnee, and
Speaker 3: then to another occasion, the Shawnee stole some of his horses. Now, Daniel,
Speaker 3: just so you know, Daniel Boone Boonsborough is not far
Speaker 3: from here. The fact is, I would say not even
Speaker 3: forty five minutes from my location. The Daniel Boonsboro where
Speaker 3: Daniel Boone lived in the late seventeen hundreds well known.
Speaker 3: It's near the Kentucky River and all these stories. And
Speaker 3: so Daniel took his son, who was an excellent marksman,
Speaker 3: right like Daniel, to go get his horses back from
Speaker 3: the Shawnee, and I tracked it. He went all the
Speaker 3: way up to the Licking River where the Licking River
Speaker 3: meets the Ohio River. They crossed the Ohio I think
Speaker 3: they made a raft, and there was many Shawnee waiting
Speaker 3: for him, so he wisely turned around. When he came
Speaker 3: back through there, there's something called the Warriors Path where
Speaker 3: the Buffalo trace, where the buffalo were, and it's well known.
Speaker 3: He came through there. He came down towards Clay City,
Speaker 3: which I used to own a motel there, and that's
Speaker 3: what I got excited. And there's another creek there called
Speaker 3: love Grud Creek, lob Grud Creek, Love Grud Creek. There's
Speaker 3: a marker, historical marker there talking about Daniel Boone and
Speaker 3: in the book Gulliver's Travels, Love Grud Creek is in
Speaker 3: that book Gulliver's Travels. Okay, that's where Daniel Boone heard
Speaker 3: his son fire multiple shots. So what they would do,
Speaker 3: supposedly when they would hike, they would not hike together.
Speaker 3: They'd hike separate looking for resources. So Daniel's on one ridge,
Speaker 3: his son's on another ridge. They're coming back to Boonsboro
Speaker 3: from Ohio, and he hears his son fire multiple shots. Well,
Speaker 3: that's not like his son. His son was a marksman.
Speaker 3: So Daniel rushed to his aid. In this Yahoo, this
Speaker 3: ten foot plus harry creature Bigfoot, had his son up,
Speaker 3: grabbed him and threw him down to the ground. Daniel
Speaker 3: rushed up and shot it, hitting it in the face,
Speaker 3: actually hitting it in the eye, which killed it instantly,
Speaker 3: Which makes sense to me because I always thought about
Speaker 3: the story, how can he kill one that big with
Speaker 3: a crude weapon back then? Well, if he hid in
Speaker 3: the eye, that's a weak spot to the brain. That
Speaker 3: makes a lot of sense. And that's how he could
Speaker 3: kill it, right. I don't know if he aimed for
Speaker 3: the eye, you know, he probably just shot at his head.
Speaker 3: But anyway, the creature fell, he revived his son. He
Speaker 3: took his tomahawk and he cut opened the chest where
Speaker 3: his bullet another bullet, the sun is shot. I guess
Speaker 3: they retrieved the bullets. I don't know. And he said
Speaker 3: the weird thing was it had a solid breastplate. The
Speaker 3: ribs weren't separated. It was like one big bone, which
Speaker 3: I thought was interesting in the story because you hear
Speaker 3: people say, oh, they shoot him and they just run off.
Speaker 3: I wonder if that's something they adapted, you know, maybe
Speaker 3: help some kind of weird breastplate. I don't know, it's
Speaker 3: just kind of weird. But anyway, he took his walking stick,
Speaker 3: laid it out multiple times by the creature, and when
Speaker 3: they got back to Boonsboro, it was over ten feet tall,
Speaker 3: and the creature was more blonde in color. Wasn't dark.
Speaker 3: It was more of a blondish color. Or here's what's
Speaker 3: interesting about the story, right. Teddy Roosevelt writes about the
Speaker 3: Red River that Boom camped on the Red River. The
Speaker 3: Red River runs back and forth along the parkway right
Speaker 3: near Lovegrud Creek, and also the Red River Gorge where
Speaker 3: the festival is going to be. I keep adding that
Speaker 3: when I own that motel there in Clay City, in
Speaker 3: I would sell bigfoot cutouts out front.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 3: A guy comes in, he goes, I want to cut out.
Speaker 3: I go, oh, did you have a sighting? Well, yeah,
Speaker 3: I grew up here. And the funny story about this seat.
Speaker 3: He goes, look across the parkway there, see see that
Speaker 3: ridge there? I go, yeah, my uncle owned that ridge
Speaker 3: and back in the day, like goes, i'm your age,
Speaker 3: I'm the late I'm in my late fifties. When we
Speaker 3: were boys, we would play outside in the hot Kentucky
Speaker 3: summer with no shirts on, you know, just shorts. And
Speaker 3: we were playing on that ridge and some people from
Speaker 3: Florida were driving down the park. When they stopped their car,
Speaker 3: they backed up and they yelled at out the window, Hey,
Speaker 3: we've never seen Kentucky hillbillies. Can we take y'all's picture?
Speaker 2: That's polite?
Speaker 3: And of course they obliged. They were tickled to death,
Speaker 3: so they come over and pose for the picture. I go, well,
Speaker 3: tell me about the bigfoot though, why are you interested?
Speaker 3: In Bigfoot. So he goes, well, if you go right
Speaker 3: up this road here, do you know where love Grud
Speaker 3: Creek is? I go, really, are you serious? He goes, yeah,
Speaker 3: love Grud Creek. We're playing hide and seek as kids.
Speaker 3: I was in the bushes. There's a bright moon out
Speaker 3: and this big, hairy creature ran right in front of
Speaker 3: me as I was hiding in the bushes. It was
Speaker 3: covered in hair. It was not one of my friends.
Speaker 3: It was far too big. And I've been hooked on
Speaker 3: bigfoot ever since. So it was interesting that he added
Speaker 3: that story about love Grud Creek where Daniel Boone killed one. Again,
Speaker 3: that was in the late seventeen hundred, so that's many,
Speaker 3: many years ago. But we know they're living, breathing population.
Speaker 3: They reproduce as long as we don't encroach on them.
Speaker 3: They have food, shelter, they stay put, and I think
Speaker 3: based on my research of all the sightings in this area,
Speaker 3: they're still bigfoot here.
Speaker 2: Oh, I would think so, right.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I was kind of curious, like, in all the
Speaker 6: research that I did trying to look into the Daniel
Speaker 6: Boone story, it's only sourced in one book, and that
Speaker 6: book was written in the nineteen nineties, and they don't
Speaker 6: cite a specific source for that, which is frustrating because
Speaker 6: you know, Boone, he experienced fame in his own lifetime,
Speaker 6: not only in North America, but his fame had spread
Speaker 6: to Europe because there were many people that were contemporaries
Speaker 6: of him, writing about him during his lifetime and sort
Speaker 6: of taking down like his dictations and his stories and
Speaker 6: things of that nature. And I know that one book
Speaker 6: from the nineties states that you know, Boone would often
Speaker 6: tail tell this tale wherever he went, but it's not
Speaker 6: referenced in any of the contemporary accounts of Boone's life
Speaker 6: or even his later life or the accounts in the aftermath.
Speaker 6: I always wondered, like, where did this author from the
Speaker 6: nineties get that from, because it would be great to
Speaker 6: find some old source for that, for sure.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the frustrating part about it all. And like
Speaker 3: you said, a lot of this just oral traditions passed down.
Speaker 3: You know a lot of the indigenous people in North America,
Speaker 3: the Native Americans, all passed stuff down to this early.
Speaker 3: You don't know how much of it's true or not true,
Speaker 3: because you know, the story is get embellished and did
Speaker 3: he shoot a bear. The other story was, which is remarkable.
Speaker 3: I got an old map. It was a hand drawn
Speaker 3: map someone sent me from Ohio, and anyway, I pulled
Speaker 3: it up on Google Earth and the creeks were the same,
Speaker 3: Drake's Creek Drammel Creek, and they converged into one. I'm like,
Speaker 3: oh my gosh, that matches up Google Earth. Down. This
Speaker 3: is down by kind of cross from Mammoth Cave. It's
Speaker 3: over there in that same county. And Lauren Coleman told
Speaker 3: me about Monkey Cave Hollow because I called him on
Speaker 3: that because I know the area very well. And Monkey
Speaker 3: Cave Hollow is where the early sellers in the seventeen
Speaker 3: hundreds came across a tribe of monkey men where they
Speaker 3: killed these monkey men. That's Lauren wright Side in his
Speaker 3: book Serious America. So like, Lauren, where's that Monkey Cave Hollow? Oh,
Speaker 3: do you know where Barren County is? I go, I
Speaker 3: know Edminson County, Barron County. Yeah, that's right across from
Speaker 3: Mammouth Cave. I know that well. So I took a
Speaker 3: lot of reports there and researched there. And then someone
Speaker 3: says to me, this crude map hand drawn with the
Speaker 3: early settlers, that a cabin with their name of the settlers,
Speaker 3: and the interesting thing about it. At the top it
Speaker 3: had like a picture of a cave and like it
Speaker 3: looked like Daniel Boone or somebody of a gun and
Speaker 3: said Daniel Boone killed a bear in this cave. And
Speaker 3: then between the creeks at the bottom of the map
Speaker 3: it said giant skeletons. Right. I thought, that's odd. You know,
Speaker 3: the giant skeletons up and down the Ohio Valley that
Speaker 3: were documented for years and newspapers and no longer. They
Speaker 3: no longer exist for some reason. But I'm like, wow.
Speaker 3: So I went there. And the only reason I went
Speaker 3: there I know the area new and matched Google Earth.
Speaker 3: The two creeks, and I hiked up to the spot,
Speaker 3: and that cave is there. It goes down on the ground.
Speaker 3: Couldn't go down too far. It gets really really deep.
Speaker 3: But the cave is exactly where it was in that map.
Speaker 3: The creeks are exactly where they were. I wonder if
Speaker 3: the giant skeletons are there, but it's a cornfield now,
Speaker 3: like I'm not going to dig up the giant skeletons,
Speaker 3: or if they were. I just thought it was interesting.
Speaker 3: It kind of matched up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but why are you digging on my property? That
Speaker 2: happened to me people dig it on my property one day.
Speaker 2: But well, you know what, Charlie, do you have time
Speaker 2: to stick around for another hour with us for our members?
Speaker 2: I'm sure we can get into some of these stories
Speaker 2: a little bit deeper.
Speaker 3: I get.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, very good. Then why don't we close down
Speaker 2: this session? But before we go, I know that there's
Speaker 2: a couple of things that you want people to be
Speaker 2: aware of, But before we even get to the festival,
Speaker 2: there's other stuff going on that we haven't even mentioned,
Speaker 2: and I think that we that's a that's a mistake
Speaker 2: on our part. Like, you have a new podcast, and
Speaker 2: I know this because I'm going to be a guest
Speaker 2: on it this coming week. So we have a new podcast.
Speaker 2: Tell us about that, please.
Speaker 3: Okay. So it's Tuesday nights at nine o'clock Eastern time.
Speaker 3: It's called The Bigfoot Hangout and most of it is
Speaker 3: audience driven. We do have guests every now and then,
Speaker 3: it's just only like our eighth or ninth episode, we've
Speaker 3: had a few guests on there. And Cliff, you know,
Speaker 3: thank you for coming on this Tuesday, because you know,
Speaker 3: sometimes people get tired of us talking, so we want
Speaker 3: somebody on there just to add some more research and information.
Speaker 3: But it's fun and we enjoy it. We really enjoy it.
Speaker 3: We love what we do. We don't do it for
Speaker 3: the money. We don't do it for the fame or
Speaker 3: TV or books or conferences. We are true Bigfoot researchers
Speaker 3: at heart. We love it. A lot of people don't
Speaker 3: realize that.
Speaker 2: Well, ironically enough, speaking of books, you have one blue yeah,
Speaker 2: But then again, the guy with so many stories and
Speaker 2: eyewitness reports, you should be sharing this. You should be
Speaker 2: sharing your witness observation or interviews and the things that
Speaker 2: you've picked up over time. Because I've said it many times,
Speaker 2: data not shared is exactly the same as not having
Speaker 2: any data at all, and you are just rich with it.
Speaker 2: So I'm glad you came out with the book. But
Speaker 2: you're right, we don't do this sort of thing for
Speaker 2: fame or money. It would be a fool to do
Speaker 2: this for money. I mean, the money's nice when you
Speaker 2: can make beer money or something like that, or in
Speaker 2: my case, open a museum and somehow scratch a living
Speaker 2: on it. But you don't you don't do this to
Speaker 2: to gain fame and notoriety and roll around and wads
Speaker 2: of dollar bills all day long. It's ridiculous. You'd be stupid.
Speaker 2: But you did write a book, and I know we
Speaker 2: carry it in our museum. It's an excellent book, and
Speaker 2: it's it's largely a witness accounts and your own research.
Speaker 2: It's called Bluegrass Bigfoot Encounters with the Kentucky wild Man
Speaker 2: that came out a number of years ago. You mentioned
Speaker 2: a pot, I mean a YouTube earlier in the episode.
Speaker 2: What is your YouTube channel name so people can go
Speaker 2: check it out.
Speaker 3: We didn't abbreviate. It's Kentucky Bigfoot Research Organization.
Speaker 2: There you go.
Speaker 3: Nothing fancy, just the name of an organization. Just dozens
Speaker 3: and dozens of eyewitness reports on there, most of them.
Speaker 3: There are no frills. There's no fancy music or graphics.
Speaker 3: I just I put the date they saw it, where
Speaker 3: they saw it, when they saw it, and then boom
Speaker 3: there's them talking on camera. Really no fancy editing. It's
Speaker 3: just you get to hear the witness in their own words,
Speaker 3: and you get to live vicariously through them.
Speaker 2: I think that's fantastic because so many people just love
Speaker 2: the story. They love the human element of this whole
Speaker 2: endeavor that we're into, and they get it straight from
Speaker 2: the witness's mouth on camera, so you can read their
Speaker 2: body language and get all into it, get all deeply
Speaker 2: analytical as one wants to get, because I'm sure there's
Speaker 2: tons of people saying, oh, he was looking the wrong
Speaker 2: direction when he said that, I think he's lying or whatever.
Speaker 2: But at least you get that, you get a chance
Speaker 2: to hear it directly from the witnesses his mouth, And
Speaker 2: of course I think that a lot of people would
Speaker 2: really enjoy that, and there's no reason to have high
Speaker 2: production value for that sort of thing, in my opinion.
Speaker 2: Just give it to him straight, like raw data. That's
Speaker 2: the best way to receive that stuff. And of course,
Speaker 2: the final thing we want to push here is the
Speaker 2: Red River Gorge Bigfoot Festival, which is next weekend, the
Speaker 2: weekend of May thirty and thirty. First, I know I'm
Speaker 2: going to be speaking there. Doctor Jeff Meldrim is going
Speaker 2: to be speaking there, Some mountain monsters are going to
Speaker 2: be in attendance, and of course Charlie you're going to
Speaker 2: be doing a presentation, and of course the Great Tom
Speaker 2: Shay as well. So talk about a good lineup, a good, fun,
Speaker 2: entertaining yet deeply research driven lineup, and not i't think
Speaker 2: you're going to get better than this.
Speaker 3: I agree, and that's what that's the main emphasis of
Speaker 3: the festival or the researchers. But then around that, we
Speaker 3: wanted wanted we wanted to make it a family event.
Speaker 3: So we have kids arts and crafts, games, contests, we
Speaker 3: have educational we have Smoky the Bear there talking about
Speaker 3: fire safety. We've got the General Lee if you remember
Speaker 3: the General Lee, just some other celebrities music. We have
Speaker 3: the movies. At night, we are doing the movie still.
Speaker 3: We rented a huge screen on the lawn, so bring
Speaker 3: a chair in a blanket. We're showing Harry the Henderson's
Speaker 3: and the Legend of Boggie Creek. At the end of
Speaker 3: the day. We had a hot air balloon rides. We've
Speaker 3: got the reptile Zoo. We have educational like Search and
Speaker 3: Rescue is going to be there talking about what do
Speaker 3: you do if you're you're lost in the woods. So
Speaker 3: it's educational, it's entertainment and it's all free, free, free.
Speaker 3: Where else do you get to see Cliff and meldrum
Speaker 3: speak for free. Not many places.
Speaker 2: No, that's going to be awesome. Yeah, yeah, you're gonna
Speaker 2: have another Hawking Hills festival in your hands of this
Speaker 2: sort of thing with when tens of thousands of people
Speaker 2: could potentially show up to this sort of thing, you know,
Speaker 2: in the next couple of years, especially who knows what
Speaker 2: this for inaugural event is going to be, but I
Speaker 2: know I'm looking forward to it. And if you want
Speaker 2: to get more information about any of this, the website
Speaker 2: is r RG Bigfoot that clearly stands for Red River
Speaker 2: Gorge Bigfoot, but it's r RG bigfoot dot com or.
Speaker 1: Click the link in the show notes.
Speaker 2: You heard Matt all right, Bobs, Hey, well, Bob, let's
Speaker 2: get out of here so we can go hop on
Speaker 2: with our members and continue the conversation with Charlie Raymond.
Speaker 5: Yep, all right, folks, want to thank Charlion for coming out.
Speaker 5: Can take you bigfoot research. He's the man, so until
Speaker 5: next week you don't have to do keep it Squatchy.
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