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<v Speaker 1>Oh, this is WWE superstar Drew McIntyre and you're listening

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<v Speaker 1>to the WWE podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>The show, the one that everybody wants me.

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<v Speaker 3>Stud for sixteen So God, just gruss your ass is

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<v Speaker 3>my arm.

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<v Speaker 1>You're gonna acknowledge me?

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<v Speaker 2>All right, everybody, Well, there is no shortage of things

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<v Speaker 2>to talk about tonight. Tonight We're gonna focus on two

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<v Speaker 2>specific topics, and I've got Anthony Denmalco here with me

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<v Speaker 2>as always every single Monday night, to talk about the

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<v Speaker 2>current events of WWE, and we usually pick out a

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<v Speaker 2>couple of stories that happened, and we're gonna get into

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<v Speaker 2>that with Vince and brock Lezer's return. But welcome to

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<v Speaker 2>the show, Anthony. How's everything going?

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<v Speaker 4>Not bad?

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<v Speaker 5>Men? A bit of a hectic week. I know that

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<v Speaker 5>we had talked about it. The process of moving is

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<v Speaker 5>maybe single handedly the worst thing one could experience in

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<v Speaker 5>their life. Obviously I'm grossy exaggerating, but it's completed for

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<v Speaker 5>the time being. I have to do it all over

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<v Speaker 5>again in sixteen weeks or so, but for now I

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<v Speaker 5>can sit back and relax a bit. And I'm sure

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<v Speaker 5>you know that feeling I'm talking about.

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<v Speaker 2>I do, and I thought that was like the worst exhaustion,

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<v Speaker 2>and then you have kids and then you're like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't know there was a fourth level of hell,

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<v Speaker 2>and then there is so yeah, but you know, I

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<v Speaker 2>get it, and you know, definitely we'll get through this

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<v Speaker 2>tonight and you know you can get back to get

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<v Speaker 2>back to your insanity. And so let's talk about Vince

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<v Speaker 2>McMahon because right now, I mean, he seems to be,

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<v Speaker 2>at least for the moment, the most talked about thing

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<v Speaker 2>in the world of wrestling, and we all know the story,

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<v Speaker 2>at least what we can know at this point. There

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<v Speaker 2>was an investigation, There is an ongoing investigation with Vince McMahon,

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<v Speaker 2>and the board has put a committee together to essentially

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<v Speaker 2>investigate a three million dollars settlement, an alleged three million

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<v Speaker 2>dollars settlement from Vince McMahon to kind of a hush

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<v Speaker 2>hush type of deal with former employees. I guess one

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<v Speaker 2>of them or both of them, or I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>One of them at least was a paralegal in the

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<v Speaker 2>organization that is no longer in the organization, and they're

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<v Speaker 2>looking into alleged misconduct with that money, and if it's

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<v Speaker 2>found that he's guilty. You know, we'll have to see.

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<v Speaker 2>But right now, Vince McMahon, Vince McMahon has stepped aside,

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<v Speaker 2>not stepped down. I guess that was a distinction as

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<v Speaker 2>Stephanie steps in his introm ceo. Let me let me

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<v Speaker 2>stop there. What do you make of this whole thing?

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<v Speaker 5>Well, I mean, it's kind of crazy when it comes

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<v Speaker 5>out in concrete info because we've seen the mister McMahon

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<v Speaker 5>character play someone who has abused their power, has cheated

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<v Speaker 5>on his wife, had affairs left, right and center, been

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<v Speaker 5>obsessive over women, and you know, I guess you always

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<v Speaker 5>kind of thought that that was a bit of how

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<v Speaker 5>the person Vince McMahon was, but you always kind of

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<v Speaker 5>like to think that it was just the character and

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<v Speaker 5>mister McMahon. But then when a report like this comes out,

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<v Speaker 5>it really kind of makes you think, like damn, like,

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<v Speaker 5>was he almost trying to live you know, his real

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<v Speaker 5>life on television in a way, And was mister McMahon

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<v Speaker 5>always just like an amplified version of Vince McMahon, And like, look,

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<v Speaker 5>I read as much as probably you did. But like,

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<v Speaker 5>just just before I go any further, the report, the

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<v Speaker 5>early reports is that they were consensual relationships correct.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, That they were consensual, yes.

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<v Speaker 5>And that they are investigating the fact that he paid

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<v Speaker 5>three million dollars to keep it hush hush of the

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<v Speaker 5>company's money.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, stockholders shareholder money.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah. And it's tough because, like it's just it's awful

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<v Speaker 5>to hear about, especially when you consider that it happened

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<v Speaker 5>in twenty nineteen, I believe, And you're just like, hey, god,

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<v Speaker 5>you know this guy was probably like already in his

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<v Speaker 5>early to mid seventies and he's still doing stuff like this,

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<v Speaker 5>and it really kind of questions, like it makes you

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<v Speaker 5>question the person. But at the same time, there's a

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<v Speaker 5>part of me that says, like, my god, Like, I

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<v Speaker 5>guess we always kind of knew this, and this's just

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<v Speaker 5>kind of confirmed what we always knew that the Vince

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<v Speaker 5>McMahon person wasn't completely far off from the mister McMahon character.

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<v Speaker 5>And I guess all that I could kind of say,

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<v Speaker 5>if to kind of find some kind of silver lining

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<v Speaker 5>in this, is that at least they were consensual relationships.

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<v Speaker 5>It doesn't and again, like they were consensual, but why

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<v Speaker 5>are they completely consensual where there's their manipulation going on?

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<v Speaker 4>Uh?

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<v Speaker 5>You know, obviously he's a high rank one of the

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<v Speaker 5>most powerful men in the country. You know, I can't

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<v Speaker 5>imagine that did the age come out of the women.

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<v Speaker 4>That No, I don't think so well either way.

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<v Speaker 5>I can imagine that a still a working woman that

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<v Speaker 5>you would have to assume is somewhere in the range

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<v Speaker 5>of twenty to fifty years old, would be really you

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<v Speaker 5>know excited to you know, start doing you know, sexual

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<v Speaker 5>things with a guy in his early seventies. So, I mean,

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<v Speaker 5>it just kind of really paints WWE in a bad way,

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<v Speaker 5>and it kind of confirms what a lot of people

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<v Speaker 5>have always speculated about Vince McMahon. What would you.

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<v Speaker 2>Say, Well, yeah, it certainly lives up to the uh

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<v Speaker 2>living your gimmick accusation. And maybe that's why it seemed

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<v Speaker 2>to work so well on camera for Vince for so

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<v Speaker 2>many years that you know, he seems so believable in

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<v Speaker 2>what he was doing on camera, and he was one

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<v Speaker 2>of the best heels the companies the organization's ever seen,

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<v Speaker 2>which is maybe why it works so scarily well. But

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<v Speaker 2>you know, look, I mean there's this is still an

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<v Speaker 2>ongoing investigation. We can make our assumptions that this is

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<v Speaker 2>all true and you know, again there is no conclusion

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<v Speaker 2>on this yet. They are still doing their investigations. So

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I guess we'll go with the presumption that

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<v Speaker 2>he's guilty of this. I mean, that's the only way

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<v Speaker 2>to do this. Otherwise we have nothing to talk about.

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<v Speaker 2>But if he's indeed guilty of this, I mean, the

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<v Speaker 2>thing is, even if he used private funds like okay,

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<v Speaker 2>say it was proven he did make this payment, but

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<v Speaker 2>the payment was made from his own money, it was

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<v Speaker 2>not from Stair stockholders shareholders money. I think that only

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<v Speaker 2>makes it a little better from the perspective of the

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<v Speaker 2>shareholders saying, Okay, he wasn't misusing appropriate appropriating our funds,

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<v Speaker 2>but he's still kind of a scumbag that is cheating

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<v Speaker 2>on his wife and paid the woman to be quiet

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<v Speaker 2>about it. Now, he wouldn't be the first nor the

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<v Speaker 2>last millionaire or billionaire to do this. It's probably way

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<v Speaker 2>more common than people realize, especially in the world of sports,

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<v Speaker 2>with things like this that we don't even know exist

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<v Speaker 2>until they come up. So Vince would not be unique

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<v Speaker 2>in that way. But it is given that Vince McMahon

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<v Speaker 2>has you know, it's taken this long for something like

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<v Speaker 2>this to happen, and you know, I'm gonna still say

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<v Speaker 2>there's a small sliver that it's not true, but I'm

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<v Speaker 2>gonna lean on the side of yet probably did happen.

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<v Speaker 2>And if it comes out that he actually did this

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<v Speaker 2>with funds from that were like publicly traded, which I

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<v Speaker 2>think would be really bad. I mean that that would

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<v Speaker 2>make this worse for him. But if that indeed is

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<v Speaker 2>the case, then I think Vince McMahon may have no option,

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<v Speaker 2>no alternative, but to permanently step down as CEO and

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<v Speaker 2>maybe leave the company all together. That I mean, do

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<v Speaker 2>you think that's even a possibility? A guy that once

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<v Speaker 2>defeated God in a tag team match has an opportunity.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, do you think that's even possible. Say the

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<v Speaker 2>worst case scenario for Vince comes comes to pass and

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<v Speaker 2>it's found that he is guilty, do you think think

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<v Speaker 2>that he'll actually leave the company?

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<v Speaker 5>You know you often thought, or I'll just use myself

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<v Speaker 5>as an example, that there would be nothing, aside from

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<v Speaker 5>death that would be able to pry Vince McMahon away

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<v Speaker 5>from WWE and full control both on the business side

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<v Speaker 5>and the creative side. And he's managed to maintain control

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<v Speaker 5>of the creative side even through this so far, and

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<v Speaker 5>we'll get to his promo and appearance on SmackDown three

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<v Speaker 5>nights ago. But I feel like when you're a publicly

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<v Speaker 5>traded company and so many billions of dollars are at play,

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<v Speaker 5>and there's so many people with their hands in the pot,

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<v Speaker 5>and we're living in as such a fragile climate as

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<v Speaker 5>we are today, where cancel culture is a real thing,

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<v Speaker 5>and I'm not referring to that. This would be like

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<v Speaker 5>a victim of cancel culture. If they do come out

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<v Speaker 5>to be true these accusations, I think that they would

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<v Speaker 5>be completely justified for people to be completely upset about them.

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<v Speaker 5>But it feels as though, especially when you to account

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<v Speaker 5>his daughter coming in as the interim CEO and chairwoman

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<v Speaker 5>and how much of a philanthropist she tries to present

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<v Speaker 5>herself as, I feel like this would be something that

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<v Speaker 5>he would not be able to survive. And to be honest,

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<v Speaker 5>I'm still very surprised that he was able to maintain

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<v Speaker 5>creative control and allowed to appear on SmackDown like that

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<v Speaker 5>for me, and I have no doubt in my mind

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<v Speaker 5>that was completely a Vince McMahon call to try and

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<v Speaker 5>act like, you know, I did nothing wrong, and you know,

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<v Speaker 5>try and get out in front of it in a way.

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<v Speaker 5>But I just the more and more they let Vince

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<v Speaker 5>McMahon go here, it just seems to be tarnishing his legacy.

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<v Speaker 5>And you know, we talked about his appearance at WrestleMania,

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<v Speaker 5>how he botched the Stunner, how he looks now, the

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<v Speaker 5>way he kind of acts awkwardly like. And this is

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<v Speaker 5>aside from the real life stuff that's going on. From

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<v Speaker 5>an on screen perspective, I can't speak for you, but

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<v Speaker 5>I just feel like he's absolutely tarnishing his legacy as

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<v Speaker 5>a great arguably greatest heel of all time as far

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<v Speaker 5>as on screen characters go. But now you couple in

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<v Speaker 5>what's going on behind the scenes and now is coming

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<v Speaker 5>out publicly in real life matters, and how big of

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<v Speaker 5>a company WWE is and how many big how much

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<v Speaker 5>money is at play here, it seems like something that

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<v Speaker 5>Vince McMahon will not be able to evade, especially when

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<v Speaker 5>you consider that a guy like Nick con has gotten

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<v Speaker 5>involved recently and it is a publicly traded company. I

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<v Speaker 5>feel like this may be a storm that he can't

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<v Speaker 5>avoid this time around.

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<v Speaker 2>Even the powerful Vince McMahon may not be able to

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<v Speaker 2>survive this. I mean, Vince McMahon is a guy that

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<v Speaker 2>has survived the courts before, but in this case, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know if he could survive because of the back lessions,

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<v Speaker 2>especially as you said, the culture that we're in right now,

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<v Speaker 2>that is that is sensitive to these kinds of things,

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<v Speaker 2>and for better or worse, We're not going to get

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<v Speaker 2>into that, but it does exist and I think that

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<v Speaker 2>it would be a big factor, especially from a PR perspective. Now.

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<v Speaker 2>It's also interesting to note that Stephanie McMahon and I

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<v Speaker 2>brought this up, and others have two as well. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not a genius that thought of this, but Stephanie McMahon

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<v Speaker 2>stepped kind of aside from WWE a number of months ago,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, just prior to that this news coming out,

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<v Speaker 2>and before I mean since essentially the womb she was

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<v Speaker 2>in WWE day to day, involved in the decisions, involved

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<v Speaker 2>in whatever.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean.

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<v Speaker 2>She she actually was selling T shirts early early on

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<v Speaker 2>in her childhood and made her way all the way

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<v Speaker 2>all the way up to the chief brand officer whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>And the thing is, it's is it a little bit

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<v Speaker 2>suspicious that she maybe you know, kind of saw the

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<v Speaker 2>the line. She probably knew ahead of time that there

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<v Speaker 2>was there's something going on with her dad, and she

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<v Speaker 2>heard rumblings of this coming out, and she smartly decided

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<v Speaker 2>a couple of months ago to step aside from WWE

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<v Speaker 2>and do kind of her own thing and distance herself.

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<v Speaker 2>And then all of a sudden, these allegations come out

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<v Speaker 2>and she's like, oh, well, wow, this is this is shocking. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't know any of this was going on. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe from its kind of self preservation on her part,

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<v Speaker 2>or it just could be dumb luck. I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>which one it is, but it is just very suspicious

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<v Speaker 2>timing where she decided the moment probably she found out

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<v Speaker 2>to distance herself, and then when the news actually broke,

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<v Speaker 2>she has some kind of soft landing to say, well,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean I left a couple of months ago to

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<v Speaker 2>do my own thing. I don't know what's going on here.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, you know, who knows. But do you think

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<v Speaker 2>that Stephanie knew something ahead of time and kind of

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<v Speaker 2>made the smart move to get away from the company

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<v Speaker 2>and distance herself so that when the news broke she

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't associated in any way with this.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, like logic would suggest that, right, Like it

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<v Speaker 5>feels like way too coincidental that she took a leave

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<v Speaker 5>of absence what in late May, and then less than

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<v Speaker 5>a month later this all comes out. The only thing

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<v Speaker 5>that would maybe suggest the opposite is that she was

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<v Speaker 5>like placed in as the interim CEO and chairwoman. But again,

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<v Speaker 5>you're right, like, I just think that it's too coincidental.

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<v Speaker 5>Maybe it wasn't like solely because of this, but maybe

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<v Speaker 5>it was like she wanted a few weeks away or

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<v Speaker 5>she wanted some time away, and they then she found

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<v Speaker 5>out that this was maybe coming down the pike and

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<v Speaker 5>she said, Okay, well now maybe is no better time

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<v Speaker 5>than now. And I mean, just for someone like Stephanie McMahon,

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<v Speaker 5>who has been so gung ho about distancing herself from

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<v Speaker 5>the wrestling aspect of the company, you know, a self

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<v Speaker 5>proclaimed philanthropist, all these like how would you say relationships

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<v Speaker 5>with these companies or these foundations like Connor's Cure and

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<v Speaker 5>the Susan g. Coman Foundation, Like I just feel like

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<v Speaker 5>this would be the where this is rather the worst

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<v Speaker 5>possible scenario for someone like Stephanie McMahon. But I guess

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<v Speaker 5>I'll just flip it into a question back to you.

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<v Speaker 5>Do you think that her becoming chairwoman and CEO was

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<v Speaker 5>something that she knew was gonna come at the end

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<v Speaker 5>of the tunnel here? Or do you think that maybe

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<v Speaker 5>the board of directors just picked her because they truly

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<v Speaker 5>felt that she was the best person for the job.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I think that in every organization, especially one as

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<v Speaker 2>large and as WWE is, they have a succession plan,

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<v Speaker 2>like they knew. For example, if Vince McMahon were to

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<v Speaker 2>die and you know he just you know, get hit

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<v Speaker 2>by a bus, they know who's gonna step in, and

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<v Speaker 2>that person is Stephanie. Now it also is smart from

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<v Speaker 2>the perspective of creating the illusion or the reality that

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<v Speaker 2>the company is stable with a McMahon in charge to

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<v Speaker 2>the shareholders and stockholders. If it was somebody they never

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<v Speaker 2>heard of that is suddenly the CEO of the organization,

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<v Speaker 2>people are maybe scrambling, have some doubts, some concern earns

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<v Speaker 2>and drop some of their stock. I think it's it

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<v Speaker 2>is something that they thought of ahead of time. Even

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<v Speaker 2>if this wasn't the case with a scandal, if Vince

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<v Speaker 2>were to literally die in his sleep or something that

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<v Speaker 2>they have to have a succession plan, and I think

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<v Speaker 2>Stephanie was that succession plan and is that succession plan.

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<v Speaker 2>And it is smart from the perspective of stability as

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<v Speaker 2>a whole to the public eye. So you know, do

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<v Speaker 2>I think this is going to be permanent? I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>time will tell. Vince is still involved in the creative,

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<v Speaker 2>which doesn't surprise me. He's stepping aside, but he's not

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<v Speaker 2>really stepping away from his work, is what. It sounds like.

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<v Speaker 2>He's still kind of the man even without the title

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<v Speaker 2>of being CEO and him coming out on smack Down.

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<v Speaker 2>I just want to say, like I really thought that

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<v Speaker 2>was like I understand why he did it. I understand

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<v Speaker 2>why he did it because it was to send a

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<v Speaker 2>message to everybody watching that he isn't going anywhere, He's

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<v Speaker 2>not shying away from this and emphasizing the word together

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<v Speaker 2>as if we're supposed to just back him on everything.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's what the message was. And he'd didn't

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<v Speaker 2>say much of anything, which really pissed me off because

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<v Speaker 2>it was very to me, very kind of narcissistic on

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<v Speaker 2>his part to just do that. I'm like, dude, you're

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<v Speaker 2>you should just go back and take care of business.

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<v Speaker 2>You don't need to come out here for your own

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<v Speaker 2>ego to send a message like we know who you are,

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<v Speaker 2>we know what kind of person you are. Go back

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<v Speaker 2>and take care of business. You don't need to come

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<v Speaker 2>out and do this public stunt. That is literally you've

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<v Speaker 2>said nothing. People were just like, what the hell is that?

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<v Speaker 2>I was sitting there, I'm like, that's it. He literally

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<v Speaker 2>repeated the signature video package at the start of the show,

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<v Speaker 2>like that's it. He repeated like four words. I did

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<v Speaker 2>not like that at all. I understand why he did it,

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<v Speaker 2>but I think it was left a lot of people like,

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<v Speaker 2>what was the exact point of this? Evince? You took

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<v Speaker 2>up a small amount of time to do what to

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<v Speaker 2>to pop a rating because you knew that, Oh my god,

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<v Speaker 2>he's there's a scandal going on, he's gonnappear on smack Down.

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<v Speaker 2>What the hell is he gonna say? You know? And

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<v Speaker 2>we got literally nothing.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, for me, that reeked of him saying like, oh,

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<v Speaker 5>I'm gonna show them that I'm actually innocent and i

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<v Speaker 5>can do whatever I want and I'm not rattled by

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<v Speaker 5>these reports and nothing's gonna stop me. But it's just

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<v Speaker 5>like you literally came out just to tell us that

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<v Speaker 5>you're still in charge, basically right like that, there's no

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<v Speaker 5>other reasoning for him appearing. And I feel like the

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<v Speaker 5>last few times that Vince has come out, save for

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<v Speaker 5>what he did lately with Austin theory, but like when

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<v Speaker 5>it's announced, like, oh, Vince McMahon is gonna be on SmackDown,

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<v Speaker 5>he comes out and he says nothing. It's like when

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<v Speaker 5>he he was meant to open the show, I believe

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<v Speaker 5>on SmackDown when they first came back in front of audience,

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<v Speaker 5>in front of people, and he just came out and

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<v Speaker 5>he said, where the hell have you been? And then

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<v Speaker 5>he left, and I'm just in my head, I'm just like,

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<v Speaker 5>just go away, and look, this is not for me

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<v Speaker 5>to make light of what all these accusations and what's

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<v Speaker 5>going on in real life. But for a moment, let's

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<v Speaker 5>talk about Vince McMahon on screen. Does anybody want to

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<v Speaker 5>see Vince McMahon on screen anymore? For me, it's no,

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<v Speaker 5>And it's been no probably since, to be quite honest

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<v Speaker 5>with you, probably since he got involved with the Roman

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<v Speaker 5>Reigns and Triple H program back in twenty fifteen, twenty sixteen.

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<v Speaker 4>That's the last.

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<v Speaker 5>Time that I could remember, and that's we're talking six

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<v Speaker 5>years ago now or six and a half years ago now,

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<v Speaker 5>that Vince McMahon resembled any kind of version of his

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<v Speaker 5>past self. And you know, I'm not a huge fan

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<v Speaker 5>of Stephanie McMahon on screen, but why not let Stephanie

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<v Speaker 5>McMahon be that character. Why not let Triple H be

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<v Speaker 5>that on screen character. Hell let Shane McMahon be the

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<v Speaker 5>on screen character. But it's just so sad now, and

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<v Speaker 5>there's no other way to put it. It's just sad

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<v Speaker 5>to watch him try and be what he used to be.

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<v Speaker 5>And I feel like, in a lot of ways, that's

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<v Speaker 5>the way it is in real life too, that he

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<v Speaker 5>still tries to be that genius, that creative genius, and

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<v Speaker 5>this over the top powerful guy in real life, that

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<v Speaker 5>he makes these bonehead decisions to like book himself, to

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<v Speaker 5>open SmackDown, to quite literally say nothing and just come

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<v Speaker 5>off as an egotistical narcissist. I don't know. It's sad because, again,

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<v Speaker 5>take away the real life parts of it for a second.

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<v Speaker 4>It's said that he's.

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<v Speaker 5>Tarnishing his on screen character, his on screen legacy, and

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<v Speaker 5>now we're seeing him tarnish his real life legacy.

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<v Speaker 2>It's akin to when people go beyond the wrestling years,

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<v Speaker 2>when you're just like, dude, it's time to hang up

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<v Speaker 2>the boots. Can you please stop ruining your legacy. I

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<v Speaker 2>mean a lot of criticism was hit. It sent undertakers away,

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<v Speaker 2>and some of it legitimate, some of it not. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>when it comes to n ring and when wrestlers just

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<v Speaker 2>don't know when to let go. I think Vince also

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<v Speaker 2>has that sickness, and I understand it, Like, even though

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not I don't have the size of an ego

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<v Speaker 2>the size of Vince mc mann, I do understand on

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<v Speaker 2>some level, like when you love something so much and

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<v Speaker 2>this is your baby and you've created it, and you

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<v Speaker 2>have been successful in the past, as you and I said,

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<v Speaker 2>arguably one of the best heals in the organ in

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<v Speaker 2>the entire industry ever, and he wasn't even a real wrestler.

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<v Speaker 2>So to let go of that and not appear on screen,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure to him is hard to let go of.

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<v Speaker 2>But I think also he recognizes. I do still think

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<v Speaker 2>he has some self awareness to realize that he can't

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<v Speaker 2>speak long form much more anymore because he mumbles, Like

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<v Speaker 2>you really have to listen to what Vince is saying.

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<v Speaker 2>He just kind of like mumbles a bunch of words together,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's like Grandpa, like can you can you slow down?

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<v Speaker 2>It feels like he just at this point should be

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<v Speaker 2>kind of in a rocking chair playing with his grandchildren,

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<v Speaker 2>like you know when I was your age, palll you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I used to be you know, like that kind of stuff,

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<v Speaker 2>Like you shouldn't be running an organization at this age.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, you just shouldn't be. That's all. It's time.

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<v Speaker 2>We all need to move on. There needs to be

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<v Speaker 2>a succession plan in place, and maybe he is forced

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<v Speaker 2>out with this whole scenario. So do I think he's

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<v Speaker 2>tarnishing his legacy? I mean, beyond the scandal, which you

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<v Speaker 2>will hear about the results of that maybe in the

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<v Speaker 2>coming weeks or months, you know, certainly, Yeah, I mean

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<v Speaker 2>because for a long time now, especially with the Austin

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<v Speaker 2>theory thing, which really put it over the top for me,

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<v Speaker 2>of him just for whatever reason, sitting in an office

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<v Speaker 2>talking about golden eggs, mumbling to Austin theory, em masculating

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<v Speaker 2>a talent you're supposed to be elevating all that kind

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<v Speaker 2>of stuff made no sense to me. And also he

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<v Speaker 2>was not coherent. I cannot hear what you're saying, Vince.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, I'm on top of the bone headed creative decisions.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just his mental faculties are wearing, as we all

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<v Speaker 2>will when we get to that age, and he just

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<v Speaker 2>unless something forces him out like this and there's public

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<v Speaker 2>outcry from stockholders and shareholders, I do not believe that

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<v Speaker 2>he will leave the organization unless there is like almost unanimous,

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<v Speaker 2>unanimous movement to get him out.

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<v Speaker 4>So well, I heard that.

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<v Speaker 5>Now, Stephanie McMahon, if she sticks in this role, I

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<v Speaker 5>believe it's Wade Keller who reported it that if she

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<v Speaker 5>ends up sticking in this role as the permanent CEO,

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<v Speaker 5>she's going to lean a lot on Triple H. No

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<v Speaker 5>surprise there, but Paul Hayman, and that Paul Hayman would

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<v Speaker 5>get a massive role in Creative And let's just play,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, for funzies, the hypothetical scenario that Vince McMahon

418
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<v Speaker 5>is forced out. Do you think Stephanie McMahon becoming the

419
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<v Speaker 5>CEO and chairwoman and delegating a lot of the creative

420
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<v Speaker 5>decisions to Paul Hayman and presumably Triple H would be

421
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<v Speaker 5>a good thing for the company.

422
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<v Speaker 2>Well, I mean both of them are proven. Like I mean,

423
00:22:38.200 --> 00:22:40.880
<v Speaker 2>Triple H built NXT from literally nothing. I mean they

424
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<v Speaker 2>built it from the days of essentially Doubledare to an

425
00:22:44.559 --> 00:22:48.880
<v Speaker 2>established brand that has credibility around the world. And then

426
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<v Speaker 2>of course Paul Hayman an established, well documented creative mind.

427
00:22:53.400 --> 00:22:55.799
<v Speaker 2>Now he's also getting up there in h two. Age

428
00:22:55.839 --> 00:22:57.680
<v Speaker 2>is a factor here, guys, Like I hate to say it,

429
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<v Speaker 2>I'm not saying Paul Hayman is completely out of his prime,

430
00:23:00.759 --> 00:23:02.599
<v Speaker 2>but he's on the back nine. I mean, let's be honest,

431
00:23:02.640 --> 00:23:05.599
<v Speaker 2>he's not a young guy. But at least in the

432
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<v Speaker 2>next ten to fifteen years, could Paul Hammond be a

433
00:23:07.839 --> 00:23:10.640
<v Speaker 2>guy that you could rely on. Absolutely, he's proven. He's

434
00:23:10.640 --> 00:23:13.440
<v Speaker 2>one of the best promos on the ever in the industry,

435
00:23:13.559 --> 00:23:16.319
<v Speaker 2>ever barn on any generation I put him up against.

436
00:23:16.839 --> 00:23:19.640
<v Speaker 2>He's a guy that had built as ECW. He's a

437
00:23:19.680 --> 00:23:22.680
<v Speaker 2>guy that actually created Stone Cold. Steve auser at least

438
00:23:22.720 --> 00:23:26.920
<v Speaker 2>created the environment to help facilitate Stone Cold to become

439
00:23:27.000 --> 00:23:30.119
<v Speaker 2>Stone Cold. You know. So yeah, I mean I think

440
00:23:30.160 --> 00:23:33.480
<v Speaker 2>that would be fine. Why not? I mean, they're both proven.

441
00:23:33.559 --> 00:23:35.960
<v Speaker 2>Why go with somebody that you don't know? Now, some

442
00:23:36.000 --> 00:23:38.279
<v Speaker 2>people may say, well, it's even with Vince gone, it's

443
00:23:38.480 --> 00:23:41.079
<v Speaker 2>kind of the same thing, like the apple doesn't fall

444
00:23:41.160 --> 00:23:43.880
<v Speaker 2>far from the tree. Stephanie's a chip off the old block,

445
00:23:44.000 --> 00:23:46.200
<v Speaker 2>whatever analogy you want to use. And there are some

446
00:23:46.880 --> 00:23:50.119
<v Speaker 2>realities to that. I mean, just because Vince is gone,

447
00:23:50.200 --> 00:23:53.240
<v Speaker 2>some people think that, you know, all will be well,

448
00:23:53.359 --> 00:23:57.000
<v Speaker 2>it'll be a totally fresh new product. I even if

449
00:23:57.039 --> 00:23:59.359
<v Speaker 2>that were the case where Paul Hammond and Triple h

450
00:23:59.440 --> 00:24:01.960
<v Speaker 2>each run or smack down her both or whatever, and

451
00:24:02.000 --> 00:24:05.000
<v Speaker 2>Stephanie's the CEO and Vince's gone and the evil Vince

452
00:24:05.079 --> 00:24:07.880
<v Speaker 2>McMahon is sitting at home, I still don't think we're

453
00:24:07.920 --> 00:24:10.400
<v Speaker 2>gonna see a massive change in WWE because you still

454
00:24:10.400 --> 00:24:13.079
<v Speaker 2>have a McMahon in charge. You still have everybody that

455
00:24:13.160 --> 00:24:17.200
<v Speaker 2>Vince McMahon hired in creative there, presumably everybody that is

456
00:24:17.279 --> 00:24:22.119
<v Speaker 2>in the production team and in helping create the product

457
00:24:22.200 --> 00:24:24.400
<v Speaker 2>that it is today. You still have all those people

458
00:24:24.400 --> 00:24:26.759
<v Speaker 2>there that are all in the same positions. There are

459
00:24:26.799 --> 00:24:30.039
<v Speaker 2>no new minds unless you literally clean house and start fresh,

460
00:24:30.079 --> 00:24:32.400
<v Speaker 2>which they won't do because it's not a smart move.

461
00:24:32.440 --> 00:24:34.359
<v Speaker 2>If you're a publicly traded company. There's a lot of

462
00:24:34.400 --> 00:24:36.720
<v Speaker 2>restrictions and things you need to consider when you're a

463
00:24:36.720 --> 00:24:40.000
<v Speaker 2>publicly traded organization. So I don't think with Vince gone

464
00:24:40.039 --> 00:24:42.359
<v Speaker 2>that things are just gonna bam magically change. Now. You

465
00:24:42.359 --> 00:24:44.960
<v Speaker 2>may see small things here and there, but I think

466
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<v Speaker 2>largely it'll be run mostly the same that Vince has

467
00:24:49.640 --> 00:24:53.519
<v Speaker 2>run it because Stephanie learned under Vince McMahon. She was

468
00:24:53.599 --> 00:24:57.000
<v Speaker 2>his daughter, for God's sakes, and she is got Vince

469
00:24:57.039 --> 00:24:59.799
<v Speaker 2>McMahon's blood literally running through her veins, so she's not

470
00:24:59.799 --> 00:25:03.160
<v Speaker 2>a and copy events. But I think largely things won't change.

471
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<v Speaker 2>And I hate to say that for people that want

472
00:25:04.640 --> 00:25:06.279
<v Speaker 2>to see a massive change in WW.

473
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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I mean, I just wonder if Stephanie McMahon would

474
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<v Speaker 5>delegate more because she so doesn't want to be a

475
00:25:15.519 --> 00:25:19.640
<v Speaker 5>part of the actual wrestling aspect of it, right, But

476
00:25:19.839 --> 00:25:22.279
<v Speaker 5>like I wonder if maybe that would be like a

477
00:25:22.400 --> 00:25:26.319
<v Speaker 5>hidden positive, that because she doesn't want to be really

478
00:25:26.359 --> 00:25:28.759
<v Speaker 5>directly involved with it, that she would delegate more to

479
00:25:28.839 --> 00:25:32.480
<v Speaker 5>people with more wherewithal to be better served in that position.

480
00:25:32.920 --> 00:25:35.319
<v Speaker 5>But then there's the other aspect about this, and the

481
00:25:35.359 --> 00:25:38.440
<v Speaker 5>one guy who's kind of becoming the X factor in WWE?

482
00:25:38.799 --> 00:25:42.799
<v Speaker 5>Is Nick Kahn, Like I know that Stephanie McMahon has

483
00:25:42.839 --> 00:25:46.720
<v Speaker 5>assumed the role of chairwoman and CEO, And is it

484
00:25:46.759 --> 00:25:49.480
<v Speaker 5>technically a higher position than Nick conn who he's the

485
00:25:49.559 --> 00:25:54.160
<v Speaker 5>president if I'm not mistaken, And I'm just wondering here

486
00:25:54.200 --> 00:25:57.599
<v Speaker 5>that since he joined WWE and replaced I believe her

487
00:25:57.640 --> 00:26:00.720
<v Speaker 5>name was Michelle Wilson and George bah I think those

488
00:26:00.720 --> 00:26:04.079
<v Speaker 5>were their names, he has kind of just been like

489
00:26:04.240 --> 00:26:09.559
<v Speaker 5>taking like a machete to the complete organizational structure here.

490
00:26:10.440 --> 00:26:14.160
<v Speaker 5>And I think that like in a weird way, like well,

491
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<v Speaker 5>I don't think it's more I'm just like thinking out

492
00:26:17.160 --> 00:26:20.920
<v Speaker 5>loud here, rather is like, is he kind of trying

493
00:26:20.960 --> 00:26:25.079
<v Speaker 5>to clean up WWE and fix it for the way

494
00:26:25.119 --> 00:26:28.359
<v Speaker 5>that maybe the shareholders and the border directors want to

495
00:26:28.400 --> 00:26:30.359
<v Speaker 5>take this company into the future. Do you think that

496
00:26:30.519 --> 00:26:33.279
<v Speaker 5>Nick Cohn is kind of a big X factor for

497
00:26:33.319 --> 00:26:34.519
<v Speaker 5>the company moving forward?

498
00:26:34.799 --> 00:26:37.400
<v Speaker 2>Oh, he's already been right, Like you said, he's already

499
00:26:37.440 --> 00:26:40.359
<v Speaker 2>been a guy going around with MACHETI a sledgehammer, whatever

500
00:26:40.400 --> 00:26:42.279
<v Speaker 2>blunt object do you want to use. I mean, the

501
00:26:42.319 --> 00:26:44.960
<v Speaker 2>guy has had a massive impact, especially over the last

502
00:26:44.960 --> 00:26:48.359
<v Speaker 2>couple of years of not just COVID. COVID didn't help,

503
00:26:48.400 --> 00:26:51.960
<v Speaker 2>but the firings, the releases, the shocking releases that have

504
00:26:52.039 --> 00:26:54.960
<v Speaker 2>taken place over the last two years. I mean, typically

505
00:26:55.039 --> 00:26:57.519
<v Speaker 2>it's the week after WrestleMania. I think it's like they

506
00:26:57.519 --> 00:27:00.119
<v Speaker 2>call it, like Black Thursday, Black Wednesday, whatever it is,

507
00:27:00.119 --> 00:27:04.480
<v Speaker 2>is that week following WrestleMania, where there's typically layoffs. There

508
00:27:04.480 --> 00:27:07.799
<v Speaker 2>were mass amounts of layoffs the last couple of years

509
00:27:07.839 --> 00:27:10.359
<v Speaker 2>and throughout the year, not just one particular time, and

510
00:27:10.759 --> 00:27:14.799
<v Speaker 2>not just wrestlers either, like production, travel staff for obvious reasons.

511
00:27:15.000 --> 00:27:18.920
<v Speaker 2>You know. So the guys already had a massive impact

512
00:27:19.000 --> 00:27:22.319
<v Speaker 2>on WWE from a personnel perspective, and I'm sure the

513
00:27:22.400 --> 00:27:25.440
<v Speaker 2>organizational chart if you looked at it, with the few

514
00:27:25.519 --> 00:27:29.039
<v Speaker 2>hundred people they have working there, looks much different now

515
00:27:29.160 --> 00:27:30.759
<v Speaker 2>than it did a couple of years ago prior to

516
00:27:30.839 --> 00:27:33.519
<v Speaker 2>nickcn coming in. So he's already had a massive impact.

517
00:27:33.680 --> 00:27:33.799
<v Speaker 5>Now.

518
00:27:33.839 --> 00:27:35.720
<v Speaker 2>I don't know what their plans are moving forward, Like

519
00:27:35.759 --> 00:27:39.680
<v Speaker 2>you said, maybe Stephanie McMahon decides, hey, this would be

520
00:27:39.680 --> 00:27:43.400
<v Speaker 2>really cool on the first woman chairwoman of WWE, you

521
00:27:43.440 --> 00:27:45.559
<v Speaker 2>know that kind of thing, and you know she may

522
00:27:45.680 --> 00:27:47.839
<v Speaker 2>use that for kind of like women's empowerment or whatever

523
00:27:47.839 --> 00:27:49.880
<v Speaker 2>the hell she wants to do. I don't know, but

524
00:27:49.960 --> 00:27:52.519
<v Speaker 2>if she doesn't, then perhaps she's just gonna get the

525
00:27:52.599 --> 00:27:55.519
<v Speaker 2>organization ready for a sale. Now I know that this

526
00:27:55.559 --> 00:27:59.240
<v Speaker 2>has been discussed for six to twelve months now of

527
00:27:59.240 --> 00:28:02.559
<v Speaker 2>out they're gonna sell to Disney. Well, while they didn't,

528
00:28:02.720 --> 00:28:05.279
<v Speaker 2>at least up until this point with Vince gone, maybe

529
00:28:05.319 --> 00:28:09.519
<v Speaker 2>he was the one roadblock that Disney could not get

530
00:28:09.559 --> 00:28:12.119
<v Speaker 2>to say yes, and they obviously need his blessing. Vince

531
00:28:12.160 --> 00:28:14.319
<v Speaker 2>out of the way. Stephanie really doesn't want to run

532
00:28:14.359 --> 00:28:17.240
<v Speaker 2>the place. She's more interested in doing her own business ventures.

533
00:28:17.359 --> 00:28:20.839
<v Speaker 2>Why not make a few billion, sell the company to Disney,

534
00:28:20.920 --> 00:28:23.519
<v Speaker 2>get it, or at least prepare it, sell it to Disney,

535
00:28:23.759 --> 00:28:25.519
<v Speaker 2>and then be on her merry way and it let

536
00:28:25.519 --> 00:28:28.119
<v Speaker 2>Disney run the organization. I mean, I'm not saying that's

537
00:28:28.119 --> 00:28:30.640
<v Speaker 2>gonna happen. I'm not saying that I've heard that's gonna happen.

538
00:28:30.680 --> 00:28:33.039
<v Speaker 2>But it's in terms of the information I have at

539
00:28:33.079 --> 00:28:37.079
<v Speaker 2>this point, doesn't seem out of the relevant impossibility.

540
00:28:38.160 --> 00:28:41.319
<v Speaker 5>No, not at all. And you like that's the way

541
00:28:41.440 --> 00:28:44.359
<v Speaker 5>that these things sent seem to be trending, right, like

542
00:28:44.440 --> 00:28:47.240
<v Speaker 5>it happened with the UFC. I believe it was Dana

543
00:28:47.279 --> 00:28:50.480
<v Speaker 5>White and were they the Fertida brothers. I think that

544
00:28:51.039 --> 00:28:55.920
<v Speaker 5>sold the UFC to a big corporation and they kept

545
00:28:55.960 --> 00:28:59.240
<v Speaker 5>Dana White on as the president. And it just seems

546
00:28:59.279 --> 00:29:01.799
<v Speaker 5>like that's the way that this thing is trending here,

547
00:29:01.839 --> 00:29:05.279
<v Speaker 5>and the only thing maybe stopping it is Vince McMahon.

548
00:29:05.680 --> 00:29:08.319
<v Speaker 5>And like, look, they've already sold the ww network to

549
00:29:08.359 --> 00:29:12.079
<v Speaker 5>Peacock ak NBC Universal, so it would stand a reason

550
00:29:12.119 --> 00:29:15.240
<v Speaker 5>that maybe they'll sell the entire company to a company

551
00:29:15.440 --> 00:29:19.039
<v Speaker 5>like Disney. And you know how like because let's be

552
00:29:19.119 --> 00:29:22.720
<v Speaker 5>honest here, like, do you think that Stephanie McMahon definitely

553
00:29:22.759 --> 00:29:25.319
<v Speaker 5>not Shane McMahon. He hasn't been involved in any major

554
00:29:25.400 --> 00:29:28.440
<v Speaker 5>way on the business side for about twelve years now,

555
00:29:28.480 --> 00:29:31.720
<v Speaker 5>if not longer. It doesn't seem to me like Stephanie

556
00:29:31.759 --> 00:29:34.519
<v Speaker 5>McMahon is chomping at the bit to you know, be

557
00:29:34.640 --> 00:29:38.880
<v Speaker 5>her father's successor and carry on the McMahon legacy as

558
00:29:38.920 --> 00:29:42.039
<v Speaker 5>you know wrestling promoters. Hell, her father won't even say

559
00:29:42.039 --> 00:29:45.839
<v Speaker 5>the word wrestling. They invented the term sports entertainment out

560
00:29:45.839 --> 00:29:48.880
<v Speaker 5>of thin air, and Stephanie McMahon has really taken that

561
00:29:48.920 --> 00:29:52.519
<v Speaker 5>ball and completely run with it. So I would think

562
00:29:52.559 --> 00:29:54.720
<v Speaker 5>that maybe that's where this is going to trend. And

563
00:29:54.799 --> 00:29:57.039
<v Speaker 5>Nick conn kind of seems a guy who has kind

564
00:29:57.039 --> 00:30:00.480
<v Speaker 5>of spearheaded that. You know, You've also heard some rumors

565
00:30:00.480 --> 00:30:03.400
<v Speaker 5>that maybe The Rock would buy it because he has

566
00:30:03.200 --> 00:30:06.319
<v Speaker 5>a long standing relationship with Nick Con that I don't

567
00:30:06.319 --> 00:30:09.880
<v Speaker 5>think anyone knew until The Rock social media posed. But

568
00:30:10.039 --> 00:30:12.680
<v Speaker 5>I mean, I guess before we move on to the

569
00:30:12.720 --> 00:30:16.000
<v Speaker 5>Brock and Roman thing, the last question I would kind

570
00:30:16.039 --> 00:30:18.759
<v Speaker 5>of ask you is that do you think that once

571
00:30:18.880 --> 00:30:22.079
<v Speaker 5>Vince McMahon isn't in power anymore, whether that be that

572
00:30:22.160 --> 00:30:24.920
<v Speaker 5>he survives this and eventually dies or he is forced

573
00:30:24.920 --> 00:30:28.279
<v Speaker 5>out because of the scandal, do you think the McMahons

574
00:30:28.599 --> 00:30:32.039
<v Speaker 5>will move forward as massive parts of WWE and by

575
00:30:32.160 --> 00:30:35.240
<v Speaker 5>McMahon's I guess you could also say Triple H as well.

576
00:30:43.720 --> 00:30:47.839
<v Speaker 2>I yeah, So do I think that WWE is gonna

577
00:30:47.920 --> 00:30:51.000
<v Speaker 2>move on with a McMahon in charge? Was that your question?

578
00:30:51.559 --> 00:30:51.640
<v Speaker 1>Like?

579
00:30:51.759 --> 00:30:52.400
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, exactly?

580
00:30:52.480 --> 00:30:58.359
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Well, I mean again, assuming Disney doesn't purchase WWE,

581
00:30:58.400 --> 00:31:01.119
<v Speaker 2>because at that point they could make whatever decisions they

582
00:31:01.160 --> 00:31:05.000
<v Speaker 2>want from a management perspective, I do believe again, like

583
00:31:05.039 --> 00:31:07.799
<v Speaker 2>you said with Shane Shane's a guy that I would

584
00:31:07.799 --> 00:31:10.599
<v Speaker 2>love to know the inner workings of the like the

585
00:31:10.920 --> 00:31:14.359
<v Speaker 2>relationship with Shane and Vince and the backstage stuff that's

586
00:31:14.400 --> 00:31:16.519
<v Speaker 2>going on with Shane, because he seems to be in

587
00:31:16.720 --> 00:31:19.519
<v Speaker 2>out and out. Things seem good. No they're bad. He's

588
00:31:19.559 --> 00:31:21.839
<v Speaker 2>back to doing whatever, making shoes in China. I don't

589
00:31:21.880 --> 00:31:25.839
<v Speaker 2>know his whatever he's doing. And so the Shane thing,

590
00:31:25.960 --> 00:31:28.400
<v Speaker 2>like you said, that's out. Like Shane clearly isn't a

591
00:31:28.400 --> 00:31:31.039
<v Speaker 2>good fit or doesn't want to be a part of WWE.

592
00:31:31.119 --> 00:31:34.960
<v Speaker 2>From that perspective, Stephanie is a wild card. Maybe she

593
00:31:35.160 --> 00:31:37.519
<v Speaker 2>is interested in doing this, and she does have a

594
00:31:37.559 --> 00:31:40.559
<v Speaker 2>little bit of the evil geniusness inside of her that

595
00:31:40.680 --> 00:31:45.079
<v Speaker 2>you know, her dad certainly instilled, and I think that

596
00:31:45.559 --> 00:31:48.119
<v Speaker 2>there's a possibility that maybe she actually does want to

597
00:31:48.160 --> 00:31:50.519
<v Speaker 2>and this is kind of just her evil plan being hatched,

598
00:31:50.759 --> 00:31:53.119
<v Speaker 2>where not that she set up her dad, but maybe

599
00:31:53.160 --> 00:31:56.400
<v Speaker 2>again distancing herself, setting herself up for that role so

600
00:31:56.440 --> 00:32:00.559
<v Speaker 2>that knowing she's in that next line of defense, that

601
00:32:00.680 --> 00:32:03.240
<v Speaker 2>next person in line of Vince Wertz's have to step

602
00:32:03.240 --> 00:32:06.920
<v Speaker 2>aside like he just did, then she knew that if

603
00:32:06.960 --> 00:32:09.960
<v Speaker 2>I'm involved, well I can't be involved with a scandal

604
00:32:10.000 --> 00:32:11.559
<v Speaker 2>going on, how did I not know? So, let mean

605
00:32:11.599 --> 00:32:13.920
<v Speaker 2>distance myself and in two months they're gonna call me

606
00:32:13.920 --> 00:32:16.440
<v Speaker 2>to be introim CEO, and then they're gonna find that

607
00:32:16.519 --> 00:32:18.880
<v Speaker 2>Vince is guilty and I'm the permanent CEO. I mean, like,

608
00:32:18.920 --> 00:32:21.279
<v Speaker 2>it's possible she thought that far ahead. I wouldn't put

609
00:32:21.279 --> 00:32:23.319
<v Speaker 2>it past her. She's a smart woman. I mean, you

610
00:32:23.359 --> 00:32:25.720
<v Speaker 2>can't get to that level and do what she's done

611
00:32:26.279 --> 00:32:30.079
<v Speaker 2>if she wasn't. So there's that possibility. So long answer,

612
00:32:30.200 --> 00:32:33.000
<v Speaker 2>I think, Yeah, I think that there will be a

613
00:32:33.079 --> 00:32:36.880
<v Speaker 2>McMahon in charge when the smoke settles from this this scandal.

614
00:32:36.920 --> 00:32:40.000
<v Speaker 2>Even if Vince's found guilty, he's thrown out, people go crazy.

615
00:32:40.000 --> 00:32:42.759
<v Speaker 2>The headlines below up Vince McMahon out of de w whatever,

616
00:32:43.240 --> 00:32:45.119
<v Speaker 2>which will be a lot of fun to talk about.

617
00:32:45.160 --> 00:32:47.319
<v Speaker 2>But I still, at the end of the day think

618
00:32:47.400 --> 00:32:50.160
<v Speaker 2>the last name of the person running the company will

619
00:32:50.160 --> 00:32:50.920
<v Speaker 2>be McMahon.

620
00:32:52.200 --> 00:32:55.000
<v Speaker 5>Because you think that even if a company like Disney

621
00:32:55.200 --> 00:32:58.920
<v Speaker 5>or let's say NBC whatever would buy WWE, they would

622
00:32:59.000 --> 00:33:02.920
<v Speaker 5>keep a McMahon still in charge to oversee the operations.

623
00:33:02.319 --> 00:33:04.839
<v Speaker 2>If they were willing. If Stephanie, here's the thing, if

624
00:33:04.839 --> 00:33:08.200
<v Speaker 2>Stephanie's not willing, though, things change, Right, Like, if if

625
00:33:08.200 --> 00:33:11.119
<v Speaker 2>Stephanie McMahon has no interest and she truly does just

626
00:33:11.240 --> 00:33:14.319
<v Speaker 2>want to do her own thing, or you know, sell it,

627
00:33:14.480 --> 00:33:17.720
<v Speaker 2>let Disney make whoever they want to make, CEO, president,

628
00:33:17.960 --> 00:33:21.039
<v Speaker 2>you know, head of talent relations all that, then sure,

629
00:33:21.200 --> 00:33:24.599
<v Speaker 2>then then things change. Stephanie McMahon, to me, though, is

630
00:33:24.680 --> 00:33:28.279
<v Speaker 2>the last member of the McMahon family that I think

631
00:33:28.319 --> 00:33:31.000
<v Speaker 2>could actually be the CEO. I don't think Shane has

632
00:33:31.039 --> 00:33:33.279
<v Speaker 2>any interest based on just the last twenty years of

633
00:33:33.319 --> 00:33:36.079
<v Speaker 2>his in and outs and the things we've heard. But

634
00:33:36.480 --> 00:33:39.000
<v Speaker 2>if Stephanie's not interested, then then all bets are off.

635
00:33:39.000 --> 00:33:41.799
<v Speaker 2>I think maybe Paulovec Triple H could be the guy

636
00:33:41.839 --> 00:33:44.519
<v Speaker 2>to actually take it over at or hell, maybe Nick

637
00:33:44.559 --> 00:33:48.440
<v Speaker 2>con I mean he could, I mean Nick conn or

638
00:33:48.480 --> 00:33:51.519
<v Speaker 2>Triple H. I don't know who else could possibly step

639
00:33:51.519 --> 00:33:52.839
<v Speaker 2>in if Stephanie's not interested.

640
00:33:54.039 --> 00:33:58.839
<v Speaker 5>The Shane McMahon thing to me has always been so weird. Obviously,

641
00:33:58.880 --> 00:34:00.880
<v Speaker 5>you can't judge a guy based off as his on

642
00:34:01.000 --> 00:34:04.039
<v Speaker 5>screen character. But like everyone who's listened to me for

643
00:34:04.079 --> 00:34:06.440
<v Speaker 5>a while, no now knows that I'm a big Shane

644
00:34:06.519 --> 00:34:09.920
<v Speaker 5>McMahon fan, But I always felt that he resonated well

645
00:34:09.960 --> 00:34:12.039
<v Speaker 5>with the crowd. I would argue that he was probably,

646
00:34:12.079 --> 00:34:15.039
<v Speaker 5>of all the McMahon's, probably the best served to play

647
00:34:15.079 --> 00:34:18.079
<v Speaker 5>the babyface role. I know Jim Cornett has said numerous

648
00:34:18.119 --> 00:34:21.519
<v Speaker 5>times that he's the best McMahon or the nicest McMahon.

649
00:34:21.960 --> 00:34:24.440
<v Speaker 5>It just really makes you wonder what the hell went

650
00:34:24.480 --> 00:34:27.320
<v Speaker 5>on behind the scenes with Shane, especially considering the fact

651
00:34:27.360 --> 00:34:30.880
<v Speaker 5>that he's the older of the two, I think relatively substantially.

652
00:34:30.920 --> 00:34:32.639
<v Speaker 5>Between him and Stephane, I think he has like at

653
00:34:32.719 --> 00:34:36.000
<v Speaker 5>least five years on her. It just really begs the question, like,

654
00:34:36.079 --> 00:34:38.119
<v Speaker 5>what the hell went on with Shane for him to

655
00:34:38.239 --> 00:34:40.679
<v Speaker 5>leave in two thousand and nine. Then even when he

656
00:34:40.719 --> 00:34:43.960
<v Speaker 5>came back in twenty sixteen, it was largely only as

657
00:34:43.960 --> 00:34:45.039
<v Speaker 5>an on screen guy.

658
00:34:45.480 --> 00:34:47.840
<v Speaker 4>And I still think that he got over pretty well.

659
00:34:47.880 --> 00:34:50.639
<v Speaker 5>Like when he was the commissioner of SmackDown, he had

660
00:34:50.639 --> 00:34:55.559
<v Speaker 5>his programs with Kevin Owens and not Daniel Brown aj styles,

661
00:34:55.559 --> 00:34:58.159
<v Speaker 5>he had the matter. Yeah, Like, I thought that he

662
00:34:58.280 --> 00:35:01.679
<v Speaker 5>really resonated well with the and obviously what happened at

663
00:35:01.679 --> 00:35:04.840
<v Speaker 5>this year's Royal Rumble when he was a producer really

664
00:35:04.920 --> 00:35:07.800
<v Speaker 5>kind of killed that entire thing. In the cradle and

665
00:35:08.039 --> 00:35:11.280
<v Speaker 5>he ultimately got ousted by the company. But I've just

666
00:35:11.320 --> 00:35:13.519
<v Speaker 5>always wondered what the hell went on with Shane McMahon

667
00:35:13.599 --> 00:35:14.400
<v Speaker 5>behind the scenes.

668
00:35:14.880 --> 00:35:18.400
<v Speaker 2>I mean, yeah, I hope at some point before before that,

669
00:35:18.840 --> 00:35:21.159
<v Speaker 2>you know, Shane heads to his grave, he doesn't take

670
00:35:21.199 --> 00:35:22.679
<v Speaker 2>it to his grave. I would love to know the

671
00:35:22.679 --> 00:35:24.880
<v Speaker 2>ins and out of that. I mean, because it's fascinating

672
00:35:24.920 --> 00:35:27.679
<v Speaker 2>the things we don't know about the relationship between you know,

673
00:35:27.719 --> 00:35:29.719
<v Speaker 2>the son and father and now the course that's a

674
00:35:29.840 --> 00:35:32.440
<v Speaker 2>very private, intimate relationship. Maybe we will never know, and

675
00:35:32.480 --> 00:35:34.639
<v Speaker 2>they both will take it to their graves and everyone

676
00:35:34.960 --> 00:35:36.679
<v Speaker 2>just say that's none of our business, and I guess

677
00:35:36.679 --> 00:35:39.360
<v Speaker 2>it isn't, but I think it is very interesting. It's

678
00:35:39.400 --> 00:35:43.320
<v Speaker 2>fascinating of the relationship between Vince and Shane, because you're right,

679
00:35:43.440 --> 00:35:45.840
<v Speaker 2>Shane is a very popular, if not the most popular

680
00:35:45.920 --> 00:35:49.280
<v Speaker 2>from a crowd perspective. McMahon. Yeah, his punches and he

681
00:35:49.320 --> 00:35:51.599
<v Speaker 2>doesn't wrestle the best, and you know, we've heard all

682
00:35:51.599 --> 00:35:54.079
<v Speaker 2>the criticisms and I understand that to some degree, but

683
00:35:54.239 --> 00:35:56.440
<v Speaker 2>Shane McMahon, you know, puts one hundred and ten percent

684
00:35:56.480 --> 00:35:58.800
<v Speaker 2>in even if he doesn't wrestle the best quote unquote,

685
00:35:59.079 --> 00:36:01.719
<v Speaker 2>I think that Shane could if he was interested, he

686
00:36:01.760 --> 00:36:05.079
<v Speaker 2>could run the company, But I don't know if whoever's

687
00:36:05.119 --> 00:36:07.599
<v Speaker 2>in charge at the very top would want him as

688
00:36:07.599 --> 00:36:10.239
<v Speaker 2>the CEO. Again, a bridge will cross when we get there.

689
00:36:10.239 --> 00:36:17.119
<v Speaker 2>But let's dive in to brock Lesner and his return. So, Anthony,

690
00:36:17.320 --> 00:36:20.400
<v Speaker 2>were you surprised? And are you? Do you like this?

691
00:36:20.639 --> 00:36:20.760
<v Speaker 4>Like?

692
00:36:21.159 --> 00:36:22.239
<v Speaker 2>What do you think about all this?

693
00:36:23.440 --> 00:36:28.599
<v Speaker 5>I'm torn because I truly do like brock Lesnar a lot.

694
00:36:29.679 --> 00:36:31.920
<v Speaker 5>I know a lot of people hate him because he's

695
00:36:31.920 --> 00:36:34.079
<v Speaker 5>a part time guy and he always just gets handed

696
00:36:34.159 --> 00:36:39.519
<v Speaker 5>these main event type of matches and storylines and just

697
00:36:40.039 --> 00:36:42.360
<v Speaker 5>his entire career has been a main event served to

698
00:36:42.400 --> 00:36:45.599
<v Speaker 5>him on a silver platter because he is a massive draw.

699
00:36:45.719 --> 00:36:48.480
<v Speaker 5>But I've just always really liked brock Lesner. I like

700
00:36:48.519 --> 00:36:51.719
<v Speaker 5>that he brings like a legitimacy to WWE. I think

701
00:36:51.719 --> 00:36:54.960
<v Speaker 5>he's a very underwrated worker. I'm not as big of

702
00:36:55.000 --> 00:36:59.199
<v Speaker 5>a fan of Cowboy Brock as I am as classic Brock.

703
00:36:59.280 --> 00:37:01.760
<v Speaker 5>I like classic brock way more, but I respect the

704
00:37:01.840 --> 00:37:05.159
<v Speaker 5>hell that he's been able to provide another dimension and

705
00:37:05.320 --> 00:37:07.480
<v Speaker 5>prove to people that if he wants to be, he

706
00:37:07.639 --> 00:37:11.800
<v Speaker 5>can be a standalone character without Paul Hayman talking for him.

707
00:37:11.880 --> 00:37:14.320
<v Speaker 5>He's not the best, but he's passable. I like that

708
00:37:14.360 --> 00:37:16.880
<v Speaker 5>he's at least proved that he can be a different

709
00:37:16.920 --> 00:37:19.000
<v Speaker 5>type of guy than just bouncing up and down and

710
00:37:19.039 --> 00:37:22.920
<v Speaker 5>looking big and scary. But I'm with you. I prefer

711
00:37:22.960 --> 00:37:27.719
<v Speaker 5>the classic Brock, So I always have time for Brock Lesner,

712
00:37:28.119 --> 00:37:31.199
<v Speaker 5>and I do think that including Roman reigns aside from

713
00:37:31.239 --> 00:37:33.679
<v Speaker 5>if the Rock comes back or when Austin comes back,

714
00:37:33.760 --> 00:37:35.880
<v Speaker 5>or even John Cena, but I think maybe he's on

715
00:37:35.920 --> 00:37:39.039
<v Speaker 5>the same level as Brock. Brock is like the biggest

716
00:37:39.119 --> 00:37:43.440
<v Speaker 5>draw WWE has right now that really kind of transcends

717
00:37:43.480 --> 00:37:47.000
<v Speaker 5>the business that everybody knows. Obviously, his UFC background helps,

718
00:37:47.800 --> 00:37:51.079
<v Speaker 5>But this just isn't it. You know, my love for

719
00:37:51.159 --> 00:37:54.440
<v Speaker 5>Brock Lesner isn't enough for me to get behind this

720
00:37:55.000 --> 00:37:58.519
<v Speaker 5>number one. It's just because we're doing this again again.

721
00:37:58.639 --> 00:38:02.360
<v Speaker 5>We're doing Brock and again, and it doesn't make sense

722
00:38:02.559 --> 00:38:05.599
<v Speaker 5>this time around because the last two times that they

723
00:38:05.639 --> 00:38:09.559
<v Speaker 5>competed one on one, Roman won. He beat him in

724
00:38:09.559 --> 00:38:13.079
<v Speaker 5>Saudi Arabia last October, and he beat him at WrestleMania,

725
00:38:13.159 --> 00:38:15.119
<v Speaker 5>And I believe at WrestleMania was clean.

726
00:38:15.280 --> 00:38:16.280
<v Speaker 2>Was it not yep.

727
00:38:16.840 --> 00:38:19.079
<v Speaker 4>So what grounds.

728
00:38:18.559 --> 00:38:21.719
<v Speaker 5>Does brock Lesner have aside from the fact that he's

729
00:38:21.760 --> 00:38:25.880
<v Speaker 5>brock Lesner to come back and jump the line. And

730
00:38:25.960 --> 00:38:28.440
<v Speaker 5>the other part about this is is that And again

731
00:38:28.519 --> 00:38:31.920
<v Speaker 5>maybe I'm backtracking a bit, but I just didn't wasn't.

732
00:38:31.679 --> 00:38:34.639
<v Speaker 4>Ready for Brock yet, Like I thought Brock was.

733
00:38:34.559 --> 00:38:38.079
<v Speaker 5>Gonna come back like post SummerSlam, because it kind of

734
00:38:38.119 --> 00:38:40.320
<v Speaker 5>felt like we got like a Brock overload in a

735
00:38:40.320 --> 00:38:41.760
<v Speaker 5>lot of ways. And I just think we got a

736
00:38:41.800 --> 00:38:45.960
<v Speaker 5>Brock and Roman overload, And I just I don't know

737
00:38:46.039 --> 00:38:49.000
<v Speaker 5>why we're seeing this again. I think that they're going

738
00:38:49.119 --> 00:38:51.480
<v Speaker 5>back to the well with how they start programs with

739
00:38:51.639 --> 00:38:55.079
<v Speaker 5>Roman way too much like that he beats someone, he's

740
00:38:55.119 --> 00:38:58.039
<v Speaker 5>about to walk off, and then someone's music hits and

741
00:38:58.159 --> 00:39:00.519
<v Speaker 5>just comes in gets in his face. You know, we

742
00:39:00.599 --> 00:39:03.519
<v Speaker 5>saw that with what was it when he beat bray

743
00:39:03.519 --> 00:39:06.360
<v Speaker 5>Masterio Edged? It that when he beat Edge, John Cena

744
00:39:06.400 --> 00:39:08.440
<v Speaker 5>did that, when he beat John Cena, Brock did that.

745
00:39:08.559 --> 00:39:10.880
<v Speaker 5>Now when he beat Riddle, brocked at it again. Like

746
00:39:11.360 --> 00:39:14.000
<v Speaker 5>it's just like, do they have no other way to

747
00:39:14.119 --> 00:39:18.599
<v Speaker 5>start or build a program involving Roman reigns? And obviously

748
00:39:18.639 --> 00:39:21.679
<v Speaker 5>you have the whole thing with Roman reigns that you know,

749
00:39:22.000 --> 00:39:25.159
<v Speaker 5>I know, absence makes the heart grow fonder. I get that,

750
00:39:25.320 --> 00:39:27.880
<v Speaker 5>but the fact that he's occupying both world titles and

751
00:39:27.920 --> 00:39:32.000
<v Speaker 5>he's only defended them on screen once since wrestling, to me,

752
00:39:32.360 --> 00:39:36.440
<v Speaker 5>is inexcusable. Not like not even out a pay per view,

753
00:39:36.440 --> 00:39:38.519
<v Speaker 5>it was just on a SmackDown, which we talked about

754
00:39:38.599 --> 00:39:41.679
<v Speaker 5>last week, solidified that even though we didn't we wouldn't

755
00:39:41.679 --> 00:39:43.400
<v Speaker 5>think that Riddle would have a shot even if it

756
00:39:43.519 --> 00:39:45.519
<v Speaker 5>was at a pay per view, the fact that it

757
00:39:45.639 --> 00:39:47.920
<v Speaker 5>was on SmackDown, we knew for a fact that it

758
00:39:47.960 --> 00:39:51.440
<v Speaker 5>meant Riddle was not winning. And I just think everything

759
00:39:51.519 --> 00:39:54.719
<v Speaker 5>together has just made this very underwhelming and it's just

760
00:39:54.960 --> 00:39:57.719
<v Speaker 5>WWE going back to the well one too many times.

761
00:39:58.119 --> 00:40:00.559
<v Speaker 5>I understood why they did it last year in Saudi

762
00:40:00.559 --> 00:40:04.639
<v Speaker 5>Arabia because they wanted to get presented in a different

763
00:40:04.679 --> 00:40:06.960
<v Speaker 5>way with Roman as the heel and Brock as the

764
00:40:07.000 --> 00:40:10.079
<v Speaker 5>baby face. Okay, I was on board. I wasn't a

765
00:40:10.159 --> 00:40:12.719
<v Speaker 5>huge fan of them doing it again at Wrestleman, but

766
00:40:12.760 --> 00:40:14.639
<v Speaker 5>I understood that they were trying to make it feel

767
00:40:14.719 --> 00:40:18.280
<v Speaker 5>like the biggest match of all time. Fine wasn't a fan.

768
00:40:18.400 --> 00:40:21.679
<v Speaker 5>The match was terrible, but I understood it. This I

769
00:40:21.679 --> 00:40:23.119
<v Speaker 5>don't even understand anymore.

770
00:40:24.199 --> 00:40:27.320
<v Speaker 2>It really is puzzling. Like you said, I'm a fan

771
00:40:27.360 --> 00:40:30.199
<v Speaker 2>of brock Lesner too. You know, how can you not be?

772
00:40:30.599 --> 00:40:32.599
<v Speaker 2>You know, regardless of the program he's in, he's a

773
00:40:32.679 --> 00:40:34.840
<v Speaker 2>he's a once in a lifetime athlete, and he is

774
00:40:35.400 --> 00:40:37.679
<v Speaker 2>not the greatest on the mic, but that doesn't even matter.

775
00:40:37.719 --> 00:40:39.239
<v Speaker 2>That's how big of a deal he is and how

776
00:40:39.280 --> 00:40:41.519
<v Speaker 2>much he's accomplished and the presence he has all that,

777
00:40:41.599 --> 00:40:42.920
<v Speaker 2>and yeah, what he can do in the ring too,

778
00:40:43.719 --> 00:40:46.320
<v Speaker 2>And you know, I I, Hey, the guy wants to

779
00:40:46.360 --> 00:40:48.400
<v Speaker 2>make millions for showing up part time. Are we gonna

780
00:40:48.400 --> 00:40:50.079
<v Speaker 2>start crapping on Roman rags for that? We're gonna start

781
00:40:50.079 --> 00:40:52.199
<v Speaker 2>crapping on John Cena for that or everybody else that's

782
00:40:52.199 --> 00:40:55.000
<v Speaker 2>done that and made that path the rock. You're telling

783
00:40:55.039 --> 00:40:56.719
<v Speaker 2>me we're gonna boo the rock if he comes back

784
00:40:56.800 --> 00:40:58.360
<v Speaker 2>and say, oh, you're part time, get out of here.

785
00:40:58.400 --> 00:41:00.760
<v Speaker 2>Like the fans, I understand get frustrated at a certain point.

786
00:41:00.920 --> 00:41:03.599
<v Speaker 2>But the problem with Roman is he is He's champion.

787
00:41:03.880 --> 00:41:07.239
<v Speaker 2>And the really iron ironic part of this whole thing

788
00:41:07.360 --> 00:41:10.599
<v Speaker 2>is that wwe merge these belts together. So Roman has

789
00:41:10.599 --> 00:41:12.559
<v Speaker 2>a whole new set of opponents to work with. He

790
00:41:12.559 --> 00:41:14.639
<v Speaker 2>can work with the entire roster and show up on

791
00:41:14.760 --> 00:41:18.960
<v Speaker 2>raw more and SmackDown. Yet he's done actually less of both.

792
00:41:19.360 --> 00:41:22.280
<v Speaker 2>Like he's done. They've they've actually done the worst possible

793
00:41:22.320 --> 00:41:25.880
<v Speaker 2>thing you could do with this this scenario, and take

794
00:41:25.960 --> 00:41:29.320
<v Speaker 2>the guy that won the belts, take the belts and

795
00:41:29.400 --> 00:41:32.440
<v Speaker 2>take everything and just put it into hibernation and it

796
00:41:32.519 --> 00:41:35.519
<v Speaker 2>just goes away Like that's the Like, that's the worst

797
00:41:35.559 --> 00:41:38.079
<v Speaker 2>possible scenario. No. I understand, he's working on states and

798
00:41:38.199 --> 00:41:40.119
<v Speaker 2>Roman's getting paid a lot of money. Great for him,

799
00:41:40.159 --> 00:41:42.360
<v Speaker 2>seriously happy for him. He's at the point in his

800
00:41:42.400 --> 00:41:44.760
<v Speaker 2>career where he can work less and make the same

801
00:41:45.119 --> 00:41:47.480
<v Speaker 2>good for him. That's what I would want to But

802
00:41:47.599 --> 00:41:51.760
<v Speaker 2>the problem is now you are, you are sacrificing other

803
00:41:51.800 --> 00:41:54.719
<v Speaker 2>opportunities for other people who could be holding one of

804
00:41:54.760 --> 00:41:57.360
<v Speaker 2>those belts or both if they still want to keep

805
00:41:57.400 --> 00:42:00.920
<v Speaker 2>it unified by what for? What to hold it for?

806
00:42:01.119 --> 00:42:02.960
<v Speaker 2>For brock Lester and a challenge again that we know

807
00:42:03.000 --> 00:42:05.639
<v Speaker 2>he's going to lose for the fourteenth time. You know,

808
00:42:05.679 --> 00:42:07.960
<v Speaker 2>when they could have easily had a rematch with Riddle.

809
00:42:08.000 --> 00:42:10.440
<v Speaker 2>Now I understand the stipulation was, oh, Riddle couldn't challenge

810
00:42:10.480 --> 00:42:13.719
<v Speaker 2>Rome again. There's a billion ways around that, you know.

811
00:42:13.800 --> 00:42:15.599
<v Speaker 2>I think that that would have been a much more

812
00:42:15.639 --> 00:42:18.760
<v Speaker 2>fun match with Riddle only because they've they've gotten a

813
00:42:18.800 --> 00:42:22.719
<v Speaker 2>lot of momentum behind him. People organically like Riddle, and

814
00:42:22.760 --> 00:42:25.039
<v Speaker 2>they would have had I think a better quality match,

815
00:42:25.320 --> 00:42:27.280
<v Speaker 2>especially what we saw on smack Down. They had really

816
00:42:27.280 --> 00:42:30.679
<v Speaker 2>good match, a lot of really believable near falls, i e.

817
00:42:31.159 --> 00:42:37.000
<v Speaker 2>The RKO that was or the spear that was reversed

818
00:42:37.000 --> 00:42:39.000
<v Speaker 2>into an RKO, Like there was a moment I'm like,

819
00:42:39.000 --> 00:42:40.840
<v Speaker 2>oh crap, like he could actually win it here and

820
00:42:40.880 --> 00:42:43.559
<v Speaker 2>everyone else saw the same thing, you know, and Riddle

821
00:42:43.679 --> 00:42:45.880
<v Speaker 2>is amazing in the ring. They could have built that

822
00:42:46.000 --> 00:42:48.559
<v Speaker 2>into the main event of Money in the Bank at

823
00:42:48.559 --> 00:42:52.000
<v Speaker 2>the MGM in Las Vegas. But the problem is, again

824
00:42:52.079 --> 00:42:55.199
<v Speaker 2>I think this comes straight from Vince McMahon, is that

825
00:42:55.320 --> 00:42:58.519
<v Speaker 2>he wants the biggest main event possible and he thinks

826
00:42:58.599 --> 00:43:00.760
<v Speaker 2>that bringing Brock back is a big main event. Now,

827
00:43:00.800 --> 00:43:02.920
<v Speaker 2>in one respect, it is, but at the same time,

828
00:43:02.960 --> 00:43:05.679
<v Speaker 2>you've got this rising star and a star that's more

829
00:43:05.800 --> 00:43:08.480
<v Speaker 2>believable to beat Roman than a guy that just got

830
00:43:08.480 --> 00:43:11.440
<v Speaker 2>beat by Roman like eighteen times. To come back that

831
00:43:11.519 --> 00:43:14.360
<v Speaker 2>you know, isn't gonna beat Brock or beat Roman. He

832
00:43:14.440 --> 00:43:16.920
<v Speaker 2>has zero chance. Like I don't think Brock has any

833
00:43:17.000 --> 00:43:20.199
<v Speaker 2>chance to beat Roman at Money in the Bank versus Riddle,

834
00:43:20.199 --> 00:43:21.800
<v Speaker 2>who you can make an argument, Hey, he's an up

835
00:43:21.800 --> 00:43:24.159
<v Speaker 2>becoming star. That's what you want to do with the

836
00:43:24.159 --> 00:43:26.840
<v Speaker 2>person that beats Roman is have a guy that's on

837
00:43:26.920 --> 00:43:29.920
<v Speaker 2>the rise, has a momentum behind him, he's young, check

838
00:43:30.000 --> 00:43:33.360
<v Speaker 2>check check. Riddle has a okay chance that you can

839
00:43:33.400 --> 00:43:37.760
<v Speaker 2>make an argument. Brock has zero chance of beating Roman,

840
00:43:38.079 --> 00:43:41.599
<v Speaker 2>and so you take that element of surprise away from it.

841
00:43:42.000 --> 00:43:45.239
<v Speaker 2>And I think he brought back Brock earlier than maybe

842
00:43:45.280 --> 00:43:49.400
<v Speaker 2>he wanted, especially if Randy Orton truly is out for

843
00:43:49.519 --> 00:43:51.880
<v Speaker 2>the next you know, I don't know how long, apparently

844
00:43:51.920 --> 00:43:53.400
<v Speaker 2>till the end of the year. I've heard a lot

845
00:43:53.400 --> 00:43:56.239
<v Speaker 2>of different things, but I don't know if this is

846
00:43:56.280 --> 00:43:58.039
<v Speaker 2>going to be the end of it with Brock and Roman.

847
00:43:58.199 --> 00:44:00.639
<v Speaker 2>I mean, they got SummerSlam next. What are they gonna do?

848
00:44:00.679 --> 00:44:03.280
<v Speaker 2>Just have Brock lezer goal away and then I don't

849
00:44:03.280 --> 00:44:05.000
<v Speaker 2>think so. I think I think we could see like

850
00:44:05.039 --> 00:44:09.280
<v Speaker 2>part seven of this of this matchup with Brock and

851
00:44:09.400 --> 00:44:13.320
<v Speaker 2>Roman at Summer Slam, Like I'm not saying it's gonna happen,

852
00:44:13.360 --> 00:44:15.719
<v Speaker 2>but Brock isn't back just for this kind of b

853
00:44:15.840 --> 00:44:18.320
<v Speaker 2>pay per view. I think he's back through Summer Slam,

854
00:44:18.320 --> 00:44:22.360
<v Speaker 2>and it could be Roman reigns for both both times. Well,

855
00:44:22.360 --> 00:44:22.760
<v Speaker 2>that's the.

856
00:44:22.719 --> 00:44:25.000
<v Speaker 5>Thing I wanted to ask, like, is it for money

857
00:44:25.000 --> 00:44:28.159
<v Speaker 5>in the bank, because I thought I saw something that

858
00:44:28.280 --> 00:44:32.000
<v Speaker 5>said that he came back to challenge Roman for SummerSlam.

859
00:44:32.519 --> 00:44:35.000
<v Speaker 5>H that they're just gonna skip over. I like, don't

860
00:44:35.039 --> 00:44:36.840
<v Speaker 5>quote me on that, but and I'm pretty sure it's

861
00:44:36.880 --> 00:44:38.480
<v Speaker 5>for a last man standing match.

862
00:44:38.679 --> 00:44:39.519
<v Speaker 2>I saw that much.

863
00:44:40.360 --> 00:44:43.760
<v Speaker 5>So like, I'm pretty sure, like you could double check

864
00:44:43.840 --> 00:44:46.920
<v Speaker 5>this for me, that they booked this for Summer Slam,

865
00:44:47.000 --> 00:44:49.559
<v Speaker 5>Oh my god, and they're just gonna leap frog money

866
00:44:49.599 --> 00:44:52.239
<v Speaker 5>in the bank. And assuming that's accurate and I'm not

867
00:44:52.280 --> 00:44:57.360
<v Speaker 5>completely messing this up, you're basically holding that title hostage

868
00:44:57.480 --> 00:45:01.320
<v Speaker 5>or both titles hostage for two two months, yep. And

869
00:45:01.400 --> 00:45:04.920
<v Speaker 5>we know that for two months, nobody's even going to

870
00:45:04.960 --> 00:45:08.679
<v Speaker 5>get involved in the World Championship picture or the Undisputed

871
00:45:08.760 --> 00:45:12.719
<v Speaker 5>Championship picture. Forget having a match for it, forget having

872
00:45:13.159 --> 00:45:17.000
<v Speaker 5>you know, winning it. There's gonna be nobody even stepping

873
00:45:17.239 --> 00:45:21.880
<v Speaker 5>up to Roman for the entire summer because they've already

874
00:45:21.920 --> 00:45:25.320
<v Speaker 5>decided two months in advance. It's Roman versus Brock. For

875
00:45:25.400 --> 00:45:28.719
<v Speaker 5>what reason, No other than Vince feels like that's the

876
00:45:28.760 --> 00:45:32.199
<v Speaker 5>biggest match that he could put together. And that's why, Like,

877
00:45:32.840 --> 00:45:36.440
<v Speaker 5>maybe I was overly negative with Roman from the onset

878
00:45:36.559 --> 00:45:39.760
<v Speaker 5>when he won the two championships at WrestleMania, but I

879
00:45:39.840 --> 00:45:41.960
<v Speaker 5>felt like, this is the way that it was going,

880
00:45:42.079 --> 00:45:44.920
<v Speaker 5>that these championships were just going to go into hibernation.

881
00:45:45.559 --> 00:45:48.199
<v Speaker 5>And look, again, maybe I'm talking about both sides out

882
00:45:48.239 --> 00:45:50.840
<v Speaker 5>of my mouth, because when Brock was Universal Champion on

883
00:45:50.880 --> 00:45:54.440
<v Speaker 5>Monday Night Raw back in twenty seventeen or whatever it was,

884
00:45:54.480 --> 00:45:57.559
<v Speaker 5>I didn't mind it as much. But in part of

885
00:45:57.599 --> 00:46:00.199
<v Speaker 5>that was because you had guys like aj Styles and

886
00:46:00.320 --> 00:46:05.079
<v Speaker 5>Daniel Brian carrying the other World championship over on SmackDown,

887
00:46:05.400 --> 00:46:08.760
<v Speaker 5>so it still felt kind of legitimate that there was

888
00:46:08.800 --> 00:46:12.199
<v Speaker 5>at least one World championship in the mix. And to

889
00:46:12.280 --> 00:46:16.719
<v Speaker 5>be honest, I feel like Brock back then competed more

890
00:46:17.159 --> 00:46:18.880
<v Speaker 5>than Roman is now, and.

891
00:46:18.800 --> 00:46:20.119
<v Speaker 4>That's crazy to say.

892
00:46:20.199 --> 00:46:23.480
<v Speaker 5>Like you had Brock defending the Universal Championship at pay

893
00:46:23.480 --> 00:46:26.760
<v Speaker 5>per views like great Balls of Fire and Battleground and

894
00:46:26.800 --> 00:46:29.840
<v Speaker 5>stuff like that, and this you don't even have Roman

895
00:46:29.920 --> 00:46:33.559
<v Speaker 5>competing at any pay per view, And for me, it's

896
00:46:33.679 --> 00:46:36.760
<v Speaker 5>just the fact that you've brought back another part timer

897
00:46:37.079 --> 00:46:38.800
<v Speaker 5>to go head to head with him for like the

898
00:46:38.960 --> 00:46:43.199
<v Speaker 5>fifteenth time. It's like, it's absolutely crazy, and it's just like,

899
00:46:43.199 --> 00:46:45.639
<v Speaker 5>how am I supposed to invest in this anymore? Like

900
00:46:45.800 --> 00:46:49.159
<v Speaker 5>unless it is like this incredible long term booking that

901
00:46:49.480 --> 00:46:51.400
<v Speaker 5>Seth is gonna win money in the bank and then

902
00:46:51.480 --> 00:46:55.400
<v Speaker 5>cash in on Roman and Brock again, you know, akin

903
00:46:55.519 --> 00:46:58.360
<v Speaker 5>to what happened seven years ago. But I mean, I'm

904
00:46:58.360 --> 00:47:01.239
<v Speaker 5>not giving WWE that much credit, especially with the way

905
00:47:01.280 --> 00:47:03.599
<v Speaker 5>that they've booked Seth in terms of wins and losses

906
00:47:03.639 --> 00:47:06.679
<v Speaker 5>over the last twelve months. So I mean anything short

907
00:47:06.679 --> 00:47:09.400
<v Speaker 5>of that, and assuming I don't know if you're able

908
00:47:09.400 --> 00:47:12.000
<v Speaker 5>to double check it, but like assuming that this is

909
00:47:12.199 --> 00:47:15.400
<v Speaker 5>just booked for SummerSlam and they're completely leapfrogging money in

910
00:47:15.440 --> 00:47:18.519
<v Speaker 5>the bank and everything in between. You know, I just

911
00:47:18.599 --> 00:47:20.000
<v Speaker 5>I'm not very high on this.

912
00:47:20.719 --> 00:47:23.639
<v Speaker 2>No, I'd just read a few articles that did say that.

913
00:47:23.679 --> 00:47:25.599
<v Speaker 2>I mean that apparently I did to see the Last

914
00:47:25.599 --> 00:47:27.800
<v Speaker 2>Man Standing. I just didn't see the venue. I thought

915
00:47:27.800 --> 00:47:31.039
<v Speaker 2>it was money in the bank. It does look like

916
00:47:31.079 --> 00:47:33.280
<v Speaker 2>that is slated for SummerSlam, and if that, if that

917
00:47:33.360 --> 00:47:36.960
<v Speaker 2>holds true, that is again, like you said, another sixty

918
00:47:37.079 --> 00:47:40.039
<v Speaker 2>days tacked onto his six hundred and fifty, so he'll

919
00:47:40.079 --> 00:47:43.960
<v Speaker 2>be at what like seven hundred and ten days as

920
00:47:44.119 --> 00:47:47.440
<v Speaker 2>champion and at that point you're three quarters of the way.

921
00:47:47.440 --> 00:47:50.000
<v Speaker 2>They are roughly two one thousand days. And I keep

922
00:47:50.039 --> 00:47:53.400
<v Speaker 2>harping on that, but I can foresee them just doing that,

923
00:47:53.599 --> 00:47:55.679
<v Speaker 2>and can just because they're like, well, guys, when are

924
00:47:55.719 --> 00:47:58.760
<v Speaker 2>we gonna have this opportunity again to have a thousand days? Like,

925
00:47:58.920 --> 00:48:03.079
<v Speaker 2>to me, that's such nick arrow minded booking. But yeah,

926
00:48:03.119 --> 00:48:05.920
<v Speaker 2>but the only the only hope we have is exactly

927
00:48:06.000 --> 00:48:08.960
<v Speaker 2>what you said, the money in the bank winner, whether

928
00:48:09.000 --> 00:48:13.000
<v Speaker 2>it's Drew or Seth. Yeah, because I think those are

929
00:48:13.000 --> 00:48:15.679
<v Speaker 2>really the only two that have a legitimate argument to

930
00:48:15.719 --> 00:48:18.360
<v Speaker 2>win that match, which I probably think it'll actually be

931
00:48:18.480 --> 00:48:22.079
<v Speaker 2>Drew because then he'll challenge Roman for Clash at the Castle,

932
00:48:22.159 --> 00:48:26.519
<v Speaker 2>I'd imagine, unless he wins some other way to challenge Roman.

933
00:48:27.239 --> 00:48:29.400
<v Speaker 2>But you already know at least through Clash at the

934
00:48:29.400 --> 00:48:32.320
<v Speaker 2>Castle with Drew in September, like Roman's gonna hold a

935
00:48:32.360 --> 00:48:35.000
<v Speaker 2>belt at least another three months to get to Roman,

936
00:48:35.039 --> 00:48:37.559
<v Speaker 2>or to get to bra sorry, to get to Drew.

937
00:48:37.960 --> 00:48:40.800
<v Speaker 2>There's there's there's like the same cast of characters here.

938
00:48:41.480 --> 00:48:44.719
<v Speaker 2>To get from to Roman versus Drew at Clash in

939
00:48:44.760 --> 00:48:49.039
<v Speaker 2>the Castle, you gotta go another three months. And it's

940
00:48:49.079 --> 00:48:52.039
<v Speaker 2>just absurd that we already know the next quarter of

941
00:48:52.079 --> 00:48:55.559
<v Speaker 2>a year there is no chance of anyone taking the

942
00:48:55.599 --> 00:48:58.519
<v Speaker 2>belt from Roman, Like that's I think the biggest problem

943
00:48:58.519 --> 00:48:59.800
<v Speaker 2>I've had with this run. And I've been a big

944
00:49:00.000 --> 00:49:02.480
<v Speaker 2>opponent of this run. I have, and I've sat here

945
00:49:02.519 --> 00:49:04.800
<v Speaker 2>and defended him more than most, and you know, for

946
00:49:04.880 --> 00:49:06.519
<v Speaker 2>better or worse, that is what it is. It's very

947
00:49:06.760 --> 00:49:10.079
<v Speaker 2>subjective here. But the biggest problem I've had over the

948
00:49:10.199 --> 00:49:13.840
<v Speaker 2>two years almost that he's been champion and look out

949
00:49:13.840 --> 00:49:15.880
<v Speaker 2>for them harping on that at SummerSlam. By the way,

950
00:49:16.320 --> 00:49:20.920
<v Speaker 2>for two years he's been champion. The biggest complaint I've

951
00:49:20.920 --> 00:49:25.280
<v Speaker 2>had is that every nearly every opponent he's had, you've

952
00:49:25.400 --> 00:49:28.480
<v Speaker 2>never really believed that they could beat Roman like they

953
00:49:28.559 --> 00:49:32.119
<v Speaker 2>they've Kevin Owens even it's you know, his four matches

954
00:49:32.199 --> 00:49:34.599
<v Speaker 2>or whatever he had. There was maybe one of the

955
00:49:34.639 --> 00:49:37.079
<v Speaker 2>matches You're like, maybe, but at the end of the day,

956
00:49:37.119 --> 00:49:40.039
<v Speaker 2>You're you're never thinking, oh my god, they're probably gonna

957
00:49:40.039 --> 00:49:41.840
<v Speaker 2>be the one to beat Roman, and then they don't.

958
00:49:41.840 --> 00:49:45.000
<v Speaker 2>You're like, oh man, they had the chance. Nobody there's

959
00:49:45.239 --> 00:49:52.159
<v Speaker 2>been nobody Cizarro, the Demon, Finn Baler, Kevin Owens, obviously

960
00:49:52.199 --> 00:49:55.559
<v Speaker 2>brock Lesler. You know, anytime he challenges Roman has no chance.

961
00:49:56.400 --> 00:49:59.480
<v Speaker 2>You know, he faced John Cena. You knew while there

962
00:49:59.519 --> 00:50:03.440
<v Speaker 2>was some speculation he's a part time guy. Doesn't make sense, legend,

963
00:50:03.519 --> 00:50:06.119
<v Speaker 2>doesn't need it, he doesn't make He's not gonna get it.

964
00:50:06.280 --> 00:50:08.400
<v Speaker 2>You know, the rock he comes back. You know, it

965
00:50:08.440 --> 00:50:12.400
<v Speaker 2>doesn't make sense. It's all just nostalgic matches, and just

966
00:50:12.480 --> 00:50:17.800
<v Speaker 2>like video game matches that people are are thinking themselves, yeah,

967
00:50:17.800 --> 00:50:20.480
<v Speaker 2>there's no chance, like this is it's cool that these

968
00:50:20.480 --> 00:50:24.079
<v Speaker 2>matches are happening. But unfortunately, guys, we know the outcome,

969
00:50:24.320 --> 00:50:27.119
<v Speaker 2>like we we already know Roman's retaining because it doesn't

970
00:50:27.119 --> 00:50:29.800
<v Speaker 2>make sense for this person to win. That's the been

971
00:50:29.840 --> 00:50:33.280
<v Speaker 2>the biggest complaint I've had with his entire run is

972
00:50:33.320 --> 00:50:36.760
<v Speaker 2>that ninety percent of his opponents you just going, yeah,

973
00:50:36.800 --> 00:50:38.360
<v Speaker 2>it's gonna be a fun match, but there's no way

974
00:50:38.360 --> 00:50:41.280
<v Speaker 2>they're winning. That that's that's a terrible way to have

975
00:50:41.320 --> 00:50:42.000
<v Speaker 2>a title run.

976
00:50:43.320 --> 00:50:46.199
<v Speaker 5>I think the only time that I really thought that

977
00:50:46.280 --> 00:50:49.440
<v Speaker 5>maybe he would lose was wrestled maybe A thirty seven

978
00:50:49.480 --> 00:50:53.400
<v Speaker 5>in the triple threat match with Daniel Bryan Edge. That's

979
00:50:53.559 --> 00:50:55.800
<v Speaker 5>and once he beat them, and I still picked Roman

980
00:50:55.840 --> 00:50:58.239
<v Speaker 5>to retain. But that was the one time where I

981
00:50:58.280 --> 00:51:01.800
<v Speaker 5>wasn't one hundred percent confident you're right, like Ray Masterio,

982
00:51:02.159 --> 00:51:05.000
<v Speaker 5>no Edge the second time, and money in the bank,

983
00:51:05.199 --> 00:51:09.800
<v Speaker 5>no Sina. I mean somewhat, I said, like maybe they'll

984
00:51:09.800 --> 00:51:13.039
<v Speaker 5>give Sena his seventeenth world title to pass pass Flair

985
00:51:13.079 --> 00:51:15.280
<v Speaker 5>and then he'll drop it back to Roman. But I

986
00:51:15.320 --> 00:51:18.119
<v Speaker 5>mean the way that they booked him versus Sena was embarrassing.

987
00:51:18.559 --> 00:51:22.440
<v Speaker 5>The Brock thing obviously, like him winning at WrestleMania was

988
00:51:22.599 --> 00:51:25.679
<v Speaker 5>the most clear cut outcome we've ever seen, arguably hit

989
00:51:25.679 --> 00:51:28.280
<v Speaker 5>at WrestleMania, and we knew that he was gonna beat

990
00:51:28.360 --> 00:51:30.880
<v Speaker 5>Riddle on SmackDown, and like, I don't know if I'm

991
00:51:30.920 --> 00:51:34.239
<v Speaker 5>missing anyone in there. Obviously Jay Us at the very beginning,

992
00:51:34.280 --> 00:51:36.159
<v Speaker 5>we knew wasn't gonna have a hope in the hell

993
00:51:36.559 --> 00:51:39.559
<v Speaker 5>of winning the championship. So like it is a shame

994
00:51:39.719 --> 00:51:42.400
<v Speaker 5>it sucks that, like, even a guy like Seth Rawlins,

995
00:51:42.599 --> 00:51:45.119
<v Speaker 5>like if that was a good match, I think the

996
00:51:45.159 --> 00:51:47.519
<v Speaker 5>program had a lot more juice left in it, aside

997
00:51:47.559 --> 00:51:50.119
<v Speaker 5>from the fact that it was heel versus heel. But

998
00:51:50.360 --> 00:51:53.320
<v Speaker 5>we knew that Rawlins wasn't gonna win because they were

999
00:51:53.360 --> 00:51:56.639
<v Speaker 5>in the midst of the Brock Angle and you had

1000
00:51:56.840 --> 00:52:00.000
<v Speaker 5>Seth as a raw guy. So even that we knew

1001
00:52:00.280 --> 00:52:02.239
<v Speaker 5>that Seth didn't have a hope in hall Att winning

1002
00:52:02.280 --> 00:52:05.519
<v Speaker 5>the Universal Championship at the Rumbles. So, I mean, it's

1003
00:52:05.679 --> 00:52:08.760
<v Speaker 5>very unfortunate that even though it has been an excellent

1004
00:52:08.880 --> 00:52:11.320
<v Speaker 5>run for the most part, I would say all the

1005
00:52:11.320 --> 00:52:14.360
<v Speaker 5>way up until this year's WrestleMania, I had no complaints

1006
00:52:14.400 --> 00:52:17.480
<v Speaker 5>with it. I would say that it is still a

1007
00:52:17.519 --> 00:52:19.599
<v Speaker 5>shame that for the first eighteen months when it was

1008
00:52:19.760 --> 00:52:23.760
<v Speaker 5>red hot, you never presented a formidable opponent for him

1009
00:52:23.760 --> 00:52:24.559
<v Speaker 5>to go up against.

1010
00:52:25.599 --> 00:52:27.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's that. I mean again, I'm not going to

1011
00:52:28.000 --> 00:52:29.920
<v Speaker 2>pretend that I wasn't a fan of it. I was.

1012
00:52:29.760 --> 00:52:31.760
<v Speaker 2>I as a big fan of his run, and to

1013
00:52:31.760 --> 00:52:34.599
<v Speaker 2>some degree I still am. I can respect what's going on,

1014
00:52:35.079 --> 00:52:37.559
<v Speaker 2>but at this point, like fans are starting to lose

1015
00:52:37.599 --> 00:52:40.119
<v Speaker 2>their patience in a way that's not good. It's not

1016
00:52:40.280 --> 00:52:42.480
<v Speaker 2>good heat. It's like people don't want to watch anymore.

1017
00:52:42.639 --> 00:52:44.239
<v Speaker 2>And I will argue tooth and now that there is

1018
00:52:44.280 --> 00:52:46.440
<v Speaker 2>difference in that kind of heat where people just want

1019
00:52:46.440 --> 00:52:48.079
<v Speaker 2>to change the channel and they don't want to even

1020
00:52:48.079 --> 00:52:51.719
<v Speaker 2>invest anymore. Disengagement is not heel heat. I think that's

1021
00:52:51.800 --> 00:52:55.039
<v Speaker 2>the difference that people don't understand sometimes, and so I

1022
00:52:55.079 --> 00:52:57.800
<v Speaker 2>think that that people are at that point. People are

1023
00:52:57.800 --> 00:52:59.719
<v Speaker 2>at that point where they're just like disengaged and they're

1024
00:52:59.760 --> 00:53:01.599
<v Speaker 2>just like, well, Roman's gonna win. It's gonna be a

1025
00:53:01.639 --> 00:53:03.559
<v Speaker 2>good match, you know. So I'll watch for just like

1026
00:53:03.599 --> 00:53:07.119
<v Speaker 2>the wrestling perspective, but I'm kind of disinvested from the bloodline.

1027
00:53:07.320 --> 00:53:10.719
<v Speaker 2>It's the same thing. Roman wins, retains, he stands there

1028
00:53:10.880 --> 00:53:13.039
<v Speaker 2>till it tells people to acknowledge him, and then a

1029
00:53:13.039 --> 00:53:15.320
<v Speaker 2>new opponent comes out just as he's holding up the belts.

1030
00:53:15.559 --> 00:53:19.159
<v Speaker 2>It's like very formulae. It's the same thing, and I

1031
00:53:19.400 --> 00:53:22.280
<v Speaker 2>totally get it. I'm not crapping on that, and I'm

1032
00:53:22.320 --> 00:53:25.519
<v Speaker 2>starting to I'm starting to get on that bandwagon of

1033
00:53:25.599 --> 00:53:27.960
<v Speaker 2>like Okay, yeah, I'm kind of done with this. Can

1034
00:53:28.000 --> 00:53:30.239
<v Speaker 2>we just get the belts off? Roman so we can

1035
00:53:30.280 --> 00:53:32.599
<v Speaker 2>get Roman in matches that you actually don't know if

1036
00:53:32.599 --> 00:53:36.360
<v Speaker 2>he's gonna win or not. Like like, to me, you've

1037
00:53:36.440 --> 00:53:39.719
<v Speaker 2>made your point. Roman's a future Hall of Famer. He's

1038
00:53:39.760 --> 00:53:43.280
<v Speaker 2>had an epic run, a legendary run. We get all that,

1039
00:53:43.760 --> 00:53:47.760
<v Speaker 2>great heel turn, great success, great execution. For the most part,

1040
00:53:48.159 --> 00:53:51.519
<v Speaker 2>point made. Can we move on? You are strangle holding

1041
00:53:51.559 --> 00:53:54.719
<v Speaker 2>two championships unified into one that you're not even maximizing

1042
00:53:54.760 --> 00:53:57.079
<v Speaker 2>or utilizing at all, by the way, and you're also

1043
00:53:57.119 --> 00:53:59.280
<v Speaker 2>holding mac talent that could be taking these spots for

1044
00:53:59.320 --> 00:54:02.440
<v Speaker 2>pay per views that are that oftentimes don't even have

1045
00:54:02.480 --> 00:54:05.119
<v Speaker 2>a world title match because Roman's not there. I mean,

1046
00:54:05.199 --> 00:54:08.800
<v Speaker 2>so there's there's to me, the negatives finally outweigh the

1047
00:54:08.840 --> 00:54:12.320
<v Speaker 2>positives of Roman holding those belts. I just I'm there now.

1048
00:54:13.079 --> 00:54:15.920
<v Speaker 5>And it sucks because they had something amazing, but it's

1049
00:54:16.000 --> 00:54:18.599
<v Speaker 5>just they had to exaggerate, they had to push it,

1050
00:54:19.000 --> 00:54:21.480
<v Speaker 5>and by day I mean vince that, like you know,

1051
00:54:21.599 --> 00:54:23.519
<v Speaker 5>I could see it, just like oh you see, like

1052
00:54:23.599 --> 00:54:25.920
<v Speaker 5>now they're behind Roman. Now I'm gonna give them what

1053
00:54:25.960 --> 00:54:29.119
<v Speaker 5>they want. And it's just like no, like why can't

1054
00:54:29.159 --> 00:54:33.159
<v Speaker 5>he just be a top wrestler But like not above

1055
00:54:33.199 --> 00:54:37.239
<v Speaker 5>and beyond and head and shoulders above everyone else, like

1056
00:54:37.639 --> 00:54:40.719
<v Speaker 5>even Stone Cold. Steve Austin back in the day wasn't

1057
00:54:40.760 --> 00:54:43.679
<v Speaker 5>pushed like this, like you know, like even stone Cold

1058
00:54:43.719 --> 00:54:45.360
<v Speaker 5>when he was on top, at least you had that

1059
00:54:45.440 --> 00:54:48.239
<v Speaker 5>one guy in the Rock or to a bit lesser

1060
00:54:48.239 --> 00:54:50.760
<v Speaker 5>of extent, Triple H that like when they would go

1061
00:54:50.800 --> 00:54:53.320
<v Speaker 5>head to head with Austin, you would think, like damn,

1062
00:54:53.320 --> 00:54:55.679
<v Speaker 5>maybe they could beat him, and sometimes they did. Triple

1063
00:54:55.840 --> 00:54:58.199
<v Speaker 5>H beat him into three stages of hell match, one

1064
00:54:58.199 --> 00:54:59.519
<v Speaker 5>of the best of all time, by the way, I

1065
00:54:59.519 --> 00:55:02.599
<v Speaker 5>love that bad, yeah, exactly, like The Rock beat him

1066
00:55:02.599 --> 00:55:05.599
<v Speaker 5>at WrestleMania nineteen obviously a different context, but he.

1067
00:55:05.639 --> 00:55:09.280
<v Speaker 4>Still beat him. Like you when The Rock was.

1068
00:55:09.239 --> 00:55:11.559
<v Speaker 5>The world champion and Austin was out in two thousand,

1069
00:55:11.599 --> 00:55:14.719
<v Speaker 5>the Rock was the top guy, like Kurt Angle beat

1070
00:55:14.760 --> 00:55:17.599
<v Speaker 5>him at No Way Out in two thousand or no sorry,

1071
00:55:17.599 --> 00:55:19.320
<v Speaker 5>it was No Mercy two thousand.

1072
00:55:19.559 --> 00:55:22.000
<v Speaker 4>Like these are things sometimes that have to happen.

1073
00:55:22.119 --> 00:55:24.599
<v Speaker 5>And I could guarantee you that guys like The Rock,

1074
00:55:24.880 --> 00:55:28.039
<v Speaker 5>guys like Austin, even a guy like John Cena, and

1075
00:55:28.079 --> 00:55:30.119
<v Speaker 5>you know, he was pushed as Super Sena for a

1076
00:55:30.159 --> 00:55:33.639
<v Speaker 5>long time, but never to this extent that, like it

1077
00:55:33.840 --> 00:55:37.400
<v Speaker 5>pays sometimes to have them lose, and it pays sometimes

1078
00:55:37.440 --> 00:55:40.159
<v Speaker 5>for them to have that redemption story. Like I think

1079
00:55:40.199 --> 00:55:42.480
<v Speaker 5>one of the things that really helped Sena, and I

1080
00:55:42.519 --> 00:55:44.239
<v Speaker 5>don't know if you remember this, but like in the

1081
00:55:44.320 --> 00:55:47.320
<v Speaker 5>year twenty twelve when he lost to the Rock at

1082
00:55:47.400 --> 00:55:50.159
<v Speaker 5>WrestleMania twenty eight and then he was just a losing

1083
00:55:50.280 --> 00:55:53.280
<v Speaker 5>match after match after match after match, and twenty twelve,

1084
00:55:53.320 --> 00:55:56.480
<v Speaker 5>all Sena did was lose, and he had a failed

1085
00:55:56.519 --> 00:56:00.159
<v Speaker 5>cash in money in the bank briefcase. And then in

1086
00:56:00.239 --> 00:56:02.679
<v Speaker 5>twenty thirteen, he won the Rumble and he beat the

1087
00:56:02.760 --> 00:56:05.400
<v Speaker 5>Rock at the at resuming in twenty nine and even

1088
00:56:05.440 --> 00:56:07.159
<v Speaker 5>though it wasn't my favorite thing in the world, I

1089
00:56:07.159 --> 00:56:09.920
<v Speaker 5>think it got a lot more people behind John Cena

1090
00:56:09.960 --> 00:56:13.119
<v Speaker 5>again because they did have him face some form of

1091
00:56:13.159 --> 00:56:16.880
<v Speaker 5>adversity And could you imagine like Roman losing a match

1092
00:56:16.920 --> 00:56:20.039
<v Speaker 5>and coming out like a month later more vicious than

1093
00:56:20.039 --> 00:56:22.519
<v Speaker 5>ever because he did finally lose, Like they would have

1094
00:56:22.639 --> 00:56:25.679
<v Speaker 5>a brand new like can of worms to open and

1095
00:56:25.760 --> 00:56:28.559
<v Speaker 5>work with, and everyone would be so much more invested

1096
00:56:28.639 --> 00:56:31.400
<v Speaker 5>because we're just like, Okay, we had a vicious Roman before,

1097
00:56:31.440 --> 00:56:34.400
<v Speaker 5>but now that he's lost, let's see what levels he'll

1098
00:56:34.440 --> 00:56:36.880
<v Speaker 5>take it to to get that title back, and they

1099
00:56:36.920 --> 00:56:37.920
<v Speaker 5>just won't even go there.

1100
00:56:38.360 --> 00:56:40.360
<v Speaker 2>There's there's such a story to be told on the

1101
00:56:40.400 --> 00:56:43.119
<v Speaker 2>other end of this, like we have had, they've squeezed

1102
00:56:43.159 --> 00:56:45.880
<v Speaker 2>every last drop of juice, at least we think they

1103
00:56:45.920 --> 00:56:49.440
<v Speaker 2>have out of this current product for two years. They'd

1104
00:56:49.440 --> 00:56:51.800
<v Speaker 2>be doing the same thing with Roman, and there's a

1105
00:56:52.119 --> 00:56:54.880
<v Speaker 2>there's such another side of this. There's a potentially better

1106
00:56:54.960 --> 00:56:57.719
<v Speaker 2>side of this, or more interesting side of this on

1107
00:56:57.760 --> 00:56:59.840
<v Speaker 2>the other side where Okay, he lost, Now what the

1108
00:56:59.840 --> 00:57:01.639
<v Speaker 2>hell the hell is he gonna do when he comes out?

1109
00:57:01.920 --> 00:57:04.119
<v Speaker 2>What's he gonna Is he gonna like light the arena

1110
00:57:04.159 --> 00:57:04.519
<v Speaker 2>on fire?

1111
00:57:04.559 --> 00:57:04.599
<v Speaker 1>Like?

1112
00:57:04.760 --> 00:57:07.280
<v Speaker 2>What is he gonna do? Like the quiet anger? I

1113
00:57:07.280 --> 00:57:10.599
<v Speaker 2>think he could show on camera would be scary good

1114
00:57:10.679 --> 00:57:12.440
<v Speaker 2>and I would love to see it. They could even

1115
00:57:12.440 --> 00:57:14.280
<v Speaker 2>turn him baby face off of it. I mean, honestly,

1116
00:57:14.440 --> 00:57:17.119
<v Speaker 2>the fans are already cheering when he comes out. Some

1117
00:57:17.199 --> 00:57:21.039
<v Speaker 2>of them are He's got a great entrance music. You know. Again,

1118
00:57:21.519 --> 00:57:23.559
<v Speaker 2>I think that the fans have had time to hate him.

1119
00:57:23.599 --> 00:57:25.239
<v Speaker 2>The ones that have wanted to boo him have had

1120
00:57:25.239 --> 00:57:27.039
<v Speaker 2>time to boot him. We've We've had a lot of

1121
00:57:27.840 --> 00:57:30.039
<v Speaker 2>a lot of fans like myself pent up anger for

1122
00:57:30.119 --> 00:57:32.639
<v Speaker 2>him that I think is now released, and were ready

1123
00:57:32.639 --> 00:57:34.719
<v Speaker 2>to embrace him if they ever wanted to turn babyface,

1124
00:57:34.760 --> 00:57:36.360
<v Speaker 2>they could that we could get to the point where

1125
00:57:36.440 --> 00:57:39.320
<v Speaker 2>Vince wanted him to be six years ago winning the

1126
00:57:39.360 --> 00:57:42.519
<v Speaker 2>Rumble in fifteen in Philly, except actually be there now

1127
00:57:42.719 --> 00:57:45.480
<v Speaker 2>because they've gone through the time of hating him and

1128
00:57:45.519 --> 00:57:47.360
<v Speaker 2>now they can instantly turn him on a dime. I

1129
00:57:47.400 --> 00:57:50.840
<v Speaker 2>really believe that. So you're right, it's just time and

1130
00:57:51.039 --> 00:57:53.280
<v Speaker 2>and I think that fans are fed up, we're done

1131
00:57:53.280 --> 00:57:55.920
<v Speaker 2>with it, and you know, I just I don't want

1132
00:57:55.920 --> 00:58:00.000
<v Speaker 2>to go in circles. But any final thoughts on this, no.

1133
00:58:00.000 --> 00:58:03.320
<v Speaker 5>I just it's a shame that we know that the

1134
00:58:03.320 --> 00:58:06.840
<v Speaker 5>world titles aren't gonna be moving or have a developing

1135
00:58:06.840 --> 00:58:10.840
<v Speaker 5>storyline for two months during the summer. It's just sad

1136
00:58:10.840 --> 00:58:11.719
<v Speaker 5>and it's frustrating.

1137
00:58:12.000 --> 00:58:14.199
<v Speaker 2>It's rights. I honestly don't even know the next time

1138
00:58:14.199 --> 00:58:16.679
<v Speaker 2>they are there in question, I mean WrestleMania, But if

1139
00:58:16.679 --> 00:58:18.800
<v Speaker 2>the Rocks there challenging for the Belts got helpless, I

1140
00:58:18.800 --> 00:58:20.960
<v Speaker 2>didn't want to cross that bridge. I mean, we've got

1141
00:58:21.000 --> 00:58:22.800
<v Speaker 2>like eight months until we have to talk about that.

1142
00:58:23.360 --> 00:58:25.320
<v Speaker 2>I would just really hope if the Rock comes back

1143
00:58:25.400 --> 00:58:26.960
<v Speaker 2>is not for the belts. You and I have discussed that,

1144
00:58:27.000 --> 00:58:28.960
<v Speaker 2>but I really don't even know the next time. I

1145
00:58:28.960 --> 00:58:31.920
<v Speaker 2>would look at a Roman match even again all the

1146
00:58:31.960 --> 00:58:34.320
<v Speaker 2>way to WrestleMania and go, hmm, well it could be

1147
00:58:34.400 --> 00:58:37.119
<v Speaker 2>this person who beats him. Here, there's literally no one

1148
00:58:37.159 --> 00:58:39.320
<v Speaker 2>I can think of at this time that could come

1149
00:58:39.320 --> 00:58:41.559
<v Speaker 2>back and challenge Roman outside of some people in XT

1150
00:58:41.679 --> 00:58:44.079
<v Speaker 2>you have heard the names, but right now in the

1151
00:58:44.079 --> 00:58:46.400
<v Speaker 2>current roster, I look at it, I go, yeah, there's nobody.

1152
00:58:46.480 --> 00:58:48.960
<v Speaker 2>So just put it on Seth for God's sakes, Like,

1153
00:58:49.079 --> 00:58:51.159
<v Speaker 2>just have Seth win the money in the bank, cash

1154
00:58:51.199 --> 00:58:53.360
<v Speaker 2>it in that night. Let's get it over with. Seth

1155
00:58:53.440 --> 00:58:56.760
<v Speaker 2>is now the unified champion, Like, let's move on. That's

1156
00:58:56.760 --> 00:59:00.920
<v Speaker 2>what I would do. But all right, well, Anthony, thank

1157
00:59:00.920 --> 00:59:02.639
<v Speaker 2>you for coming on tonight. Of course, you guys can

1158
00:59:02.760 --> 00:59:06.000
<v Speaker 2>check out Anthony on his retro show. And this past

1159
00:59:06.039 --> 00:59:08.760
<v Speaker 2>week was from the vault version. But this week, hopefully

1160
00:59:08.760 --> 00:59:12.400
<v Speaker 2>we'll get a fresh, a fresh, new episode. And did

1161
00:59:12.400 --> 00:59:14.719
<v Speaker 2>you have anything in mind, Anthony or you're waiting for

1162
00:59:14.800 --> 00:59:17.239
<v Speaker 2>the universe to inspire you over the next few days.

1163
00:59:17.639 --> 00:59:19.480
<v Speaker 5>No, No, I actually have one in mind. It was

1164
00:59:19.480 --> 00:59:21.320
<v Speaker 5>supposed to be last week, but it's just with the

1165
00:59:21.360 --> 00:59:23.760
<v Speaker 5>whole moving stuff, I knew that I would have had

1166
00:59:23.800 --> 00:59:27.320
<v Speaker 5>to record a half assed version, So just figured give

1167
00:59:27.440 --> 00:59:30.320
<v Speaker 5>us a brand new episode this week, and it will

1168
00:59:30.360 --> 00:59:33.840
<v Speaker 5>be the Rocks run from twenty eleven to twenty thirteen,

1169
00:59:34.119 --> 00:59:38.000
<v Speaker 5>as we will dive into his return and his semi

1170
00:59:38.199 --> 00:59:41.360
<v Speaker 5>full time run that when he came back in early

1171
00:59:41.400 --> 00:59:45.400
<v Speaker 5>twenty thirteen all the way up until WrestleMania in late March,

1172
00:59:45.480 --> 00:59:47.159
<v Speaker 5>were for just about two or three months or so,

1173
00:59:47.239 --> 00:59:49.239
<v Speaker 5>it felt like the Rock was kind of on a

1174
00:59:49.239 --> 00:59:52.320
<v Speaker 5>full time schedule. Maybe not from an in ring perspective,

1175
00:59:52.320 --> 00:59:54.199
<v Speaker 5>but he was appearing on Raw, he was appearing on

1176
00:59:54.239 --> 00:59:56.599
<v Speaker 5>SmackDown almost each and every week when he held the

1177
00:59:56.679 --> 01:00:00.840
<v Speaker 5>WWE Championship in early twenty thirteen. I don't think people

1178
01:00:00.920 --> 01:00:04.079
<v Speaker 5>remember how often he came back during that period, so

1179
01:00:04.159 --> 01:00:05.400
<v Speaker 5>I'm excited to dive into that.

1180
01:00:05.920 --> 01:00:07.679
<v Speaker 2>I actually I'm glad you're doing that because I actually

1181
01:00:07.719 --> 01:00:10.159
<v Speaker 2>don't remember him there much. But maybe it is foggy

1182
01:00:10.199 --> 01:00:12.920
<v Speaker 2>memory because you look at these legacy stars and you're like, yeah,

1183
01:00:13.000 --> 01:00:14.920
<v Speaker 2>but they weren't there that much. But I think you're

1184
01:00:15.000 --> 01:00:17.039
<v Speaker 2>right that he was there way more than we realize

1185
01:00:17.320 --> 01:00:19.320
<v Speaker 2>and you know that that's important. I think he wanted

1186
01:00:19.360 --> 01:00:21.559
<v Speaker 2>to put some respect on the belts and not just

1187
01:00:21.559 --> 01:00:24.880
<v Speaker 2>be this absentee champion. So good stuff. I'll be looking

1188
01:00:24.880 --> 01:00:27.199
<v Speaker 2>forward to it. And you have a social media you

1189
01:00:27.239 --> 01:00:27.880
<v Speaker 2>want to share as well?

1190
01:00:28.559 --> 01:00:30.199
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, as always, you can get me at a to

1191
01:00:30.280 --> 01:00:31.559
<v Speaker 5>Marco twenty five on Twitter.

1192
01:00:31.960 --> 01:00:34.679
<v Speaker 2>Awesome. Well, looking forward to the episode and we will

1193
01:00:34.679 --> 01:00:35.559
<v Speaker 2>be talking next.

1194
01:00:35.360 --> 01:00:38.079
<v Speaker 5>Week, all right, man, take it easy, take care.

1195
01:00:44.199 --> 01:00:47.920
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1196
01:00:47.960 --> 01:00:51.800
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1197
01:00:51.840 --> 01:00:56.199
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01:00:56.320 --> 01:00:59.199
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