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Speaker 1: Latest interview of Elon musk Well.

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Speaker 2: I think Tesla is one.

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Speaker 3: Of the most exciting companies in the world. You know,

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it's perhaps the most exciting, but you know this, Tla

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and SpaceX, let me say, all the most two US

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exciting companies.

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Speaker 2: So we're you know, we're obviously expanding production.

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Speaker 3: We're making more cars. We're gonna you know, we're going

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to roll out Tesla Pull self.

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Speaker 2: Driving, which is really an AI driven car.

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Speaker 3: So it's Tesla AI software that that drives the car

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just by looking like.

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Speaker 2: A human does. So Tesla has the.

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Speaker 3: Most advanced real world AI and hopefully it will be

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approved soon in Europe. We're told by the authorities that

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March twentieth it will be approved in the Netherlands was

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what I was told. Hopefully that date remains the same.

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But I think people in your are going to be

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pretty blown away by how good the Tesla car AI

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is in being able to drive. So uh and I

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think this year really it will be the case that you.

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Speaker 2: From from a.

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Speaker 3: Technical standpoint, you'll be able to fall asleep in the

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Tesla and wake up at your destination. So that's that's

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very exciting. We've got the optimist program, which is going

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to be the first humanoid robot. And I think you know,

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sometimes people say, well what would that use, Well, like, well,

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who wouldn't want their own personal C three p O

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r T D two But even better, you know, and

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you can think of like all the reasons, like you know,

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do you want.

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Speaker 2: Someone do you need a robot to.

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Speaker 3: You know, take care of your kids or walk the dog,

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or you know, take care of elderly pairs pants or

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something like that. Then Optimists can do those things. So

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so that's very exciting. And yeah, you know, we're going

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to be starting production of the Tesla Cybercab here at

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Gay Texas. Uh, we have started production, i should say,

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but we'll go to scale production in April or start

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falling production in April and have significant production towards the

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end of the year.

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Speaker 2: And you know, if things go well, we would probably.

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Speaker 3: Manufacture Cybercab in Europe as well, and also manufacture Optimists

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in Europe. So we've got the Tesla Semi coming out,

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so the Tesla heavy truck, and that'll be going to

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Europe hopefully next year.

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Speaker 2: There's so many things happening. It's it's a long list.

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Speaker 4: There's a long list to make it an exciting company.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, battery cell production, we're going to We're going to

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start making battery cells at Gigabollain do we have the

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Tesla litium refinery that started up in Texas and the

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Tesla Nicol cathode refinery that's started up in Herrett in Austin.

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It's really this year is a tremendous number of things.

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We've got five factories starting wine production this year, five

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for a major production line. We look forward to extending

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that to Europe as well.

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Speaker 5: And I guess looking a little bit back, Tesla hasn't

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done anything less but really transforming a whole industry. I

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think without us taking that brave step, or Tesla taking

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a brave step to electrify mobility, the industry wouldn't.

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Speaker 4: Be where it is today.

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Speaker 5: What would you want people to say about Tesla, Let's

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just say in ten or twenty years from now.

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Speaker 3: In twenty years, I'd say he's got factories on the moon. Actually,

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basically I see I see a very prosperous future for Tesla.

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It's difficult to predict anything twenty years, but if you say,

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like the make five years to ten years, I could

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say Tesla has an extremely bright future, and I would say, like,

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hold on to your Tesla start.

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Speaker 2: You know, it's going to be worth a lot. I think,

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you know, that's that's my that's my bet. Very cool.

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Speaker 4: Coming back to the president.

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Speaker 5: If you look, I mean, you're always very well informed

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if you look to the European industry, especially to the

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automotive sector, or even the German industry as automotive.

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Speaker 4: Sector, and what do you what do you think about it?

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What do you believe the main reasons for their current state.

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Speaker 3: Well, I think there's not been enough innovation in automation.

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Sorry what automotive innovation has been relatively low. So the

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cars that are being produced are very much like the

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cars that were produced five years ago.

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Speaker 2: They're not big differences. You know. I've said for a

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long time, really that the.

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Speaker 3: Automotive industry, I said this for twenty plus years needs

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to go towards electrification.

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Speaker 2: And this would be.

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Speaker 3: True even without environmental concerns. So it's just an electric

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vehicle is a fundamentally better architecture than a gasoline combustion vehicle.

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It is much simpler, it is more efficient, it's quieter,

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there's no pollution within cities. So really all ground transport

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should be electric, and I think all ships and eventually

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all planes should be electric. But the automotive industry has

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strongly resisted electrification. They've dragged their feet and had to

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be pushed pushed there by government, and then whenever they've

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had any opportunity to reduce the production of electric vehicles,

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they've done so. So this is just, uh, this is

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not a good strategic It's like doesn't it doesn't make sense.

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And also making vehicles autonomous is critical, like I think

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it was like ten years ago. I said that, you know,

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in the future, any vehicle that is not electric and autonomous,

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like if you're riding a vehicle you have to drive

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yourself that is gasoline powered. It's going to be like

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riding a horse and using a flipbone, which is to

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say that there's still some people somewhere that ride horses,

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but not zero horses.

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Speaker 2: It's just rare.

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Speaker 3: And some people somewhere are still using flipbones, but it's

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Speaker 2: You know, it's going to be a niche thing.

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Speaker 3: So the future does not contain combustion vehicles, and there

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will be very few vehicles that are not autonomous. The

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future is autonomous electric vehicles, sure, and so if the

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automount of industry does not move in that direction, they

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will be left out.

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Speaker 5: So it doesn't really sound like we should or could

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even be learning much from the legacy automakers. And I

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guess it really sounds like we should be focusing on

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us and what we believe the future looks like.

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Speaker 3: Right, Yes, I mean there's you can always look, let's

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something from some competitor, but the strategically they're just headed

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in the direction of the dinosaurs.

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Speaker 2: So they're not headed for a good place.

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Speaker 3: You know, dinosaurs are not around anymore, so they really

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we certainly are, We're going in a very different path.

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Like you said, electric autonomous is the obvious to me,

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It's been blindingly obvious for you know, twenty years plus. So,

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but you know, you can't sometimes with what I've found

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with competitors is in the automotive industry, it's.

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Speaker 2: Not that they're going to steal our ideas.

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Speaker 3: You know, you can't cram a good idea down their throat, Okay,

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like if you say, like you must hate this good idea,

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it's like, we're not going to.

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Speaker 2: Steal our ideas.

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Speaker 3: They won't even we can't even force feed them our

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good ideas. That's that's been my experience. So we need

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to do what's logical, what's sensible, and and and you know,

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in Tesla, we're essentially creating the future. And it's a

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good future.

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Speaker 4: We are building the future. They just build cars.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a good future.

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Speaker 3: It's future with electric vehicles that don't emit poison gas literally,

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that quiet efficient and and and and like I said,

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autonomous the car instead of having to be stuck in

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traffic driving through you know, by zeroads. And you know

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sometimes also people sometimes they you know, they may fall asleep,

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or they may have a medical emergency. And uh, and

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then if you're if you're driving yourself and you're on

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got upon going super fast and you have like a

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Speaker 2: A seizure or heart attack or something.

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Speaker 3: Then you could die. And but if you're the car's autonomous,

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it can take you to a hospital. In fact, this

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has actually happened many times with Tesla cars.

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Speaker 4: Right, really cool.

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Speaker 5: So if we if we look at gigabillin specifically, but

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six years ago nearly we broke around four years ago

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Speaker 4: I have a ton of memories. I know, you have

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memories about it as well, and what are.

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Speaker 5: Like the greatest memories. What do you tell people when

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they ask you about Gigabyllin and the people love.

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Speaker 2: Well.

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Speaker 3: I mean, first of all, I'd like to say thank

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you very much to everyone that's helped build Gigaballain, you know,

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thank you Andre, and thank thank you to the whole team,

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because we've gotten an amazing factory built in a very

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short period of time and gotten to high volume production

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with good quality and good cost control. So I'm very

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proud of the of Gigaballin and all the people in it.

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Speaker 2: Thank you. It's just it's cool. I like the art too,

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you know, the art and that people have some fun,

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you know, so you know, like coming to work should

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be you should look forward to it, you know.

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Speaker 3: So you're coming to work with people that you enjoy

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working with. You're doing useful things, You're making things.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 3: So I have a lot of respectful makers, like you

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actually make something, you built something useful, built something useful

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that you know that that people enjoy that. Like, I'm

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a big fan of makers, and you know, there's there's

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a lot of people who I don't know that they're

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like they don't make things.

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Speaker 2: I don't know, they just hang around.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they don't make things, or they don't provide useful services,

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whereas I like, I think I have huge, respectful people

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who make things and provide useful services.

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Speaker 2: And there's an honest day's work, you know, So thank you.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I don't know if you do have.

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Speaker 5: But if you have a vision for biga ballin, what

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would it be and what do you think would have

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Speaker 2: Yeah? I think ye.

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Speaker 3: Ideally we would significantly expand production at gigablin, so we

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would would also do high volume production of battery cells,

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probably also the the catho, the anode lithium, so there's

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become vertically integrated and you know, produce things like the

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cybercab or Optimus and other products that test the will develop.

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So I think the exciting future vision for the future

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of Gigabilin is massively expanding it to do many more projects.

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Speaker 2: Very cool.

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Speaker 5: Do you have any advice for the team at Gigibilin

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to basically, you know, work towards vision.

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Speaker 3: Well, things certainly get harder if there are outside organizations

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that are pushing Tesla in the wrong direction of the

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outside organizations that are pushing Tesla in the wrong direction.

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Speaker 2: And okay, well then.

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Speaker 3: It's difficult to say that. Then we would expand if

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we have to, you know, outside organization that's making things

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very difficult. I mean, I'm just the sis the truth. Yeah,

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it is the true. I mean, we're not going to

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shut down the factory, but we're not going to expand

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it either realistically.

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Speaker 2: So is I s it?

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Speaker 5: I have a bunch of I have a bunch of questions,

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so just too much around and then yeah, feel free

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Speaker 3: Sure, Eileen, which is your favorite factory? Maybe Jiga four?

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Speaker 2: Well, you know, a favorite factory is like saying what's

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your favorite child? You know, it's not a fair question

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on them. It's a question I'm you know. The thing

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is that I love factories. Honestly. It's you know, I

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Speaker 3: People these days, you know, don't I love factories or

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they even even into a factory, you know. But whereas

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Speaker 2: I'm a big fan of factories. I love factories.

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Speaker 4: This is a great place to be.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, It's like you make things that have good utility.

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Speaker 2: People like love the product. Making a product, building a

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product people love is that's great? Makes you.

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Speaker 3: So people? Len is an awesome factory. Yeah. So the

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vibe in there is cool. Like you walk around, you know,

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it's it's it's very clean. It's like it's quite beautiful

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Speaker 3: It's like people seem seem quite happy. And we're making

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cars and soon battery cells.

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Speaker 4: You probably many more things, Yeah, many things to be

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's a great factory. It is.

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Speaker 3: All right. I think it's one of the coolest factories

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in the world really honestly, Hey, Elan, which is the

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next product we will be building here in gigle Berlin. Well,

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Speaker 2: There.

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Speaker 3: We've started now spilling up production of the battery cell,

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I think most likely is the Tesla cybercap but then

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there's also possibilities of Tesla optimists and the Tesla semi

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heavy truck. So like Tesla has a lot of products

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if things go are looking good, I think we would

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Speaker 4: We could, you know, gigentic manufacturing.

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Speaker 2: So we have a lot of space.

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Speaker 3: Well, assuming that the you know, authorities are supportive and

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the people are supportive, then we would expand to probably

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Speaker 4: Very cool, that's a cool future.

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Speaker 5: All right, then we have ourkil He's got an interesting question.

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Speaker 3: Hilan, So when do you realistically think we can have

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Speaker 2: Factory so we don't have to worry about ergonovic sense stuff. Well,

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where do we look careful about that?

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Speaker 3: One?

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Speaker 2: I don't want people to worry about their job, you know, no, So.

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Speaker 3: I mean the onest answer for AI and robotics is

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long term working will be optional, like long term you know,

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which is ten years from now or less. Work will

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be optional, like if you want to work, you can

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like kind of like if you grow vegetables, you can

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grow vegetables in your garden or you can get them

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from the store. It's optional to grow vegetables in your garden.

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Speaker 2: But some people select to do it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's extra work to grow your own vegetables, but

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it's people enjoy the process. That's going to be how

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work is in the future. It'll be like you can

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work if you want it.

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Speaker 2: Very cool.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, how can we make sure that the adoption of

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new technologies like Optimus rich countries in the third World?

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Speaker 4: I think it's an interesting question generally.

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Speaker 3: Well, I think for oftenness, we we first have to

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Speaker 2: So the this is a hard thing to solve. Nobody

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is solved making a truly useful humanoid robot.

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Speaker 3: And then you have to make useful and you have

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to scale production, and it's an entirely new supply.

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Speaker 2: Chain, you know.

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Speaker 3: The for optimists, we've had to design the whole robot

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from physics first principles, so that we you know, we're

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designing the every motor, every gearbox or no gearbox, every

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gear really and the that the hands are extremely difficult

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to design. To have a properly dexterous UH robot hand

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is very very difficult, one of the hardest things to engineer.

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least one that is useful, and then we can scale production.

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that often is, and they will gradually get more sophisticated.

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I think eventually optimists could do medical work like it

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could do be a doctor, like do surgery, and there's

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long term potential for everyone in the world to have

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access to incredible medical care, like better medical care than

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anyone receives today from humans. So I think long term

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luck optimists as a surgeon would be incredibly good, super

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super competent, and everyone in the world would get better

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medical care than anyone currently in the world gets. Yeah, hey, Leon,

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what advice would you give young people for life? What

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advice would I give young people for life? Well, I

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would say one thing is to be to err on

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the side of optimism, to be optimistic about the future.

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Speaker 2: I think it's.

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Speaker 3: Better to be It's better to err on the side

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of being optimistic and wrong than pessimistic and right.

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Speaker 2: Your quality of life will be much better.

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Speaker 3: So so I would urge people to be excited about

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the future. I'm excited about the future, like I'm confident

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that the future will not be boring. They put it

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that way, It's going to be very interesting and and

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I think it's like most likely to be great, you know,

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in terms of like general advice, I mean, I guess

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I advise people to like learn as much as possible,

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read a lot of books, try a lot of things,

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and I guess, you know, I mean, I guess, enjoy life.

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Speaker 2: Just enjoy life.

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totally so.

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Speaker 4: Kind of job that you can actually enjoy.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think if if people derive satisfaction from building things,

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then like Tesla's an awesome place to be because we

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built things, we make useful products, and that's I mean,

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that's a great thing.

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Speaker 2: What is the most inspiring moment in your life?

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Speaker 3: You know, I guess when my kids were born, that

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would be the most inspiring moment, you know, in terms

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of work stuff, I guess it's when we had the

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first production roadster at Tesla. That was really you know,

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it was like hard to believe that we actually made

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a car that passed all of the regulatory requirements and

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you could actually go on the road with it legally,

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because when we started out, we didn't even know how

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to make a car and you know, on the rocket side.

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The first time getting to orbit was was a huge relief.

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We're using you know, getting the rocket to come back

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and land. It was very cool. The self driving stuff,

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I think is pretty amazing. Amazing the first time somebody

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experiences self driving where they're just sitting there and the

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car takes them all the way from their home.

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Speaker 2: To their work and parks. It's a case of mind blowing.

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Speaker 5: I'm using it when I'm in the US older time.

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It is a lot better than people can actually imagine.

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Speaker 2: I think it's like magic. It is well cool and

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thank you so much for your time, really having you here.

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Speaker 5: And yeah, hopefully we see you soon in Berlin again

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and show you around we have done since we visited.

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Speaker 2: Us last time.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and once again to you know, the people are

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pick a ballin Danka shown for We're Hot at.

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Speaker 2: Abte Tunc show.

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Speaker 4: Thank you, Elan, Thanks for your time.

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Speaker 1: Cool, very fun, Thanks for listening. To see you in

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the next episode.