Speaker 1: Latest interview of Elon musk Well.
Speaker 2: I think Tesla is one.
Speaker 3: Of the most exciting companies in the world. You know,
it's perhaps the most exciting, but you know this, Tla
and SpaceX, let me say, all the most two US
exciting companies.
Speaker 2: So we're you know, we're obviously expanding production.
Speaker 3: We're making more cars. We're gonna you know, we're going
to roll out Tesla Pull self.
Speaker 2: Driving, which is really an AI driven car.
Speaker 3: So it's Tesla AI software that that drives the car
just by looking like.
Speaker 2: A human does. So Tesla has the.
Speaker 3: Most advanced real world AI and hopefully it will be
approved soon in Europe. We're told by the authorities that
March twentieth it will be approved in the Netherlands was
what I was told. Hopefully that date remains the same.
But I think people in your are going to be
pretty blown away by how good the Tesla car AI
is in being able to drive. So uh and I
think this year really it will be the case that you.
Speaker 2: From from a.
Speaker 3: Technical standpoint, you'll be able to fall asleep in the
Tesla and wake up at your destination. So that's that's
very exciting. We've got the optimist program, which is going
to be the first humanoid robot. And I think you know,
sometimes people say, well what would that use, Well, like, well,
who wouldn't want their own personal C three p O
r T D two But even better, you know, and
you can think of like all the reasons, like you know,
do you want.
Speaker 2: Someone do you need a robot to.
Speaker 3: You know, take care of your kids or walk the dog,
or you know, take care of elderly pairs pants or
something like that. Then Optimists can do those things. So
so that's very exciting. And yeah, you know, we're going
to be starting production of the Tesla Cybercab here at
Gay Texas. Uh, we have started production, i should say,
but we'll go to scale production in April or start
falling production in April and have significant production towards the
end of the year.
Speaker 2: And you know, if things go well, we would probably.
Speaker 3: Manufacture Cybercab in Europe as well, and also manufacture Optimists
in Europe. So we've got the Tesla Semi coming out,
so the Tesla heavy truck, and that'll be going to
Europe hopefully next year.
Speaker 2: There's so many things happening. It's it's a long list.
Speaker 4: There's a long list to make it an exciting company.
Speaker 3: Yeah, battery cell production, we're going to We're going to
start making battery cells at Gigabollain do we have the
Tesla litium refinery that started up in Texas and the
Tesla Nicol cathode refinery that's started up in Herrett in Austin.
It's really this year is a tremendous number of things.
We've got five factories starting wine production this year, five
for a major production line. We look forward to extending
that to Europe as well.
Speaker 5: And I guess looking a little bit back, Tesla hasn't
done anything less but really transforming a whole industry. I
think without us taking that brave step, or Tesla taking
a brave step to electrify mobility, the industry wouldn't.
Speaker 4: Be where it is today.
Speaker 5: What would you want people to say about Tesla, Let's
just say in ten or twenty years from now.
Speaker 3: In twenty years, I'd say he's got factories on the moon. Actually,
basically I see I see a very prosperous future for Tesla.
It's difficult to predict anything twenty years, but if you say,
like the make five years to ten years, I could
say Tesla has an extremely bright future, and I would say, like,
hold on to your Tesla start.
Speaker 2: You know, it's going to be worth a lot. I think,
you know, that's that's my that's my bet. Very cool.
Speaker 4: Coming back to the president.
Speaker 5: If you look, I mean, you're always very well informed
if you look to the European industry, especially to the
automotive sector, or even the German industry as automotive.
Speaker 4: Sector, and what do you what do you think about it?
What do you believe the main reasons for their current state.
Speaker 3: Well, I think there's not been enough innovation in automation.
Sorry what automotive innovation has been relatively low. So the
cars that are being produced are very much like the
cars that were produced five years ago.
Speaker 2: They're not big differences. You know. I've said for a
long time, really that the.
Speaker 3: Automotive industry, I said this for twenty plus years needs
to go towards electrification.
Speaker 2: And this would be.
Speaker 3: True even without environmental concerns. So it's just an electric
vehicle is a fundamentally better architecture than a gasoline combustion vehicle.
It is much simpler, it is more efficient, it's quieter,
there's no pollution within cities. So really all ground transport
should be electric, and I think all ships and eventually
all planes should be electric. But the automotive industry has
strongly resisted electrification. They've dragged their feet and had to
be pushed pushed there by government, and then whenever they've
had any opportunity to reduce the production of electric vehicles,
they've done so. So this is just, uh, this is
not a good strategic It's like doesn't it doesn't make sense.
And also making vehicles autonomous is critical, like I think
it was like ten years ago. I said that, you know,
in the future, any vehicle that is not electric and autonomous,
like if you're riding a vehicle you have to drive
yourself that is gasoline powered. It's going to be like
riding a horse and using a flipbone, which is to
say that there's still some people somewhere that ride horses,
but not zero horses.
Speaker 2: It's just rare.
Speaker 3: And some people somewhere are still using flipbones, but it's
not many.
Speaker 2: You know, it's going to be a niche thing.
Speaker 3: So the future does not contain combustion vehicles, and there
will be very few vehicles that are not autonomous. The
future is autonomous electric vehicles, sure, and so if the
automount of industry does not move in that direction, they
will be left out.
Speaker 5: So it doesn't really sound like we should or could
even be learning much from the legacy automakers. And I
guess it really sounds like we should be focusing on
us and what we believe the future looks like.
Speaker 3: Right, Yes, I mean there's you can always look, let's
something from some competitor, but the strategically they're just headed
in the direction of the dinosaurs.
Speaker 2: So they're not headed for a good place.
Speaker 3: You know, dinosaurs are not around anymore, so they really
we certainly are, We're going in a very different path.
Like you said, electric autonomous is the obvious to me,
It's been blindingly obvious for you know, twenty years plus. So,
but you know, you can't sometimes with what I've found
with competitors is in the automotive industry, it's.
Speaker 2: Not that they're going to steal our ideas.
Speaker 3: You know, you can't cram a good idea down their throat, Okay,
like if you say, like you must hate this good idea,
it's like, we're not going to.
Speaker 2: Steal our ideas.
Speaker 3: They won't even we can't even force feed them our
good ideas. That's that's been my experience. So we need
to do what's logical, what's sensible, and and and you know,
in Tesla, we're essentially creating the future. And it's a
good future.
Speaker 4: We are building the future. They just build cars.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a good future.
Speaker 3: It's future with electric vehicles that don't emit poison gas literally,
that quiet efficient and and and and like I said,
autonomous the car instead of having to be stuck in
traffic driving through you know, by zeroads. And you know
sometimes also people sometimes they you know, they may fall asleep,
or they may have a medical emergency. And uh, and
then if you're if you're driving yourself and you're on
got upon going super fast and you have like a
you know.
Speaker 2: A seizure or heart attack or something.
Speaker 3: Then you could die. And but if you're the car's autonomous,
it can take you to a hospital. In fact, this
has actually happened many times with Tesla cars.
Speaker 4: Right, really cool.
Speaker 5: So if we if we look at gigabillin specifically, but
six years ago nearly we broke around four years ago
we started production.
Speaker 4: I have a ton of memories. I know, you have
memories about it as well, and what are.
Speaker 5: Like the greatest memories. What do you tell people when
they ask you about Gigabyllin and the people love.
Speaker 2: Well.
Speaker 3: I mean, first of all, I'd like to say thank
you very much to everyone that's helped build Gigaballain, you know,
thank you Andre, and thank thank you to the whole team,
because we've gotten an amazing factory built in a very
short period of time and gotten to high volume production
with good quality and good cost control. So I'm very
proud of the of Gigaballin and all the people in it.
Speaker 2: Thank you. It's just it's cool. I like the art too,
you know, the art and that people have some fun,
you know, so you know, like coming to work should
be you should look forward to it, you know.
Speaker 3: So you're coming to work with people that you enjoy
working with. You're doing useful things, You're making things.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: So I have a lot of respectful makers, like you
actually make something, you built something useful, built something useful
that you know that that people enjoy that. Like, I'm
a big fan of makers, and you know, there's there's
a lot of people who I don't know that they're
like they don't make things.
Speaker 2: I don't know, they just hang around.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they don't make things, or they don't provide useful services,
whereas I like, I think I have huge, respectful people
who make things and provide useful services.
Speaker 2: And there's an honest day's work, you know, So thank you.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I don't know if you do have.
Speaker 5: But if you have a vision for biga ballin, what
would it be and what do you think would have
to happen for it to become true?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I think ye.
Speaker 3: Ideally we would significantly expand production at gigablin, so we
would would also do high volume production of battery cells,
probably also the the catho, the anode lithium, so there's
become vertically integrated and you know, produce things like the
cybercab or Optimus and other products that test the will develop.
So I think the exciting future vision for the future
of Gigabilin is massively expanding it to do many more projects.
Speaker 2: Very cool.
Speaker 5: Do you have any advice for the team at Gigibilin
to basically, you know, work towards vision.
Speaker 3: Well, things certainly get harder if there are outside organizations
that are pushing Tesla in the wrong direction of the
outside organizations that are pushing Tesla in the wrong direction.
Speaker 2: And okay, well then.
Speaker 3: It's difficult to say that. Then we would expand if
we have to, you know, outside organization that's making things
very difficult. I mean, I'm just the sis the truth. Yeah,
it is the true. I mean, we're not going to
shut down the factory, but we're not going to expand
it either realistically.
Speaker 2: So is I s it?
Speaker 5: I have a bunch of I have a bunch of questions,
so just too much around and then yeah, feel free
to comment on them.
Speaker 3: Sure, Eileen, which is your favorite factory? Maybe Jiga four?
Speaker 2: Well, you know, a favorite factory is like saying what's
your favorite child? You know, it's not a fair question
on them. It's a question I'm you know. The thing
is that I love factories. Honestly. It's you know, I
think a lot of.
Speaker 3: People these days, you know, don't I love factories or
they even even into a factory, you know. But whereas
I've walked the line in you know, every factory, and.
Speaker 2: I'm a big fan of factories. I love factories.
Speaker 4: This is a great place to be.
Speaker 3: Yeah, It's like you make things that have good utility.
Speaker 2: People like love the product. Making a product, building a
product people love is that's great? Makes you.
Speaker 3: So people? Len is an awesome factory. Yeah. So the
vibe in there is cool. Like you walk around, you know,
it's it's it's very clean. It's like it's quite beautiful
inside and outside.
Speaker 2: And.
Speaker 3: It's like people seem seem quite happy. And we're making
cars and soon battery cells.
Speaker 4: You probably many more things, Yeah, many things to be
proud of.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's a great factory. It is.
Speaker 3: All right. I think it's one of the coolest factories
in the world really honestly, Hey, Elan, which is the
next product we will be building here in gigle Berlin. Well,
I think there's a lot of exciting possibilities for what
the next product is that will be built in Gigaberlin.
Speaker 2: There.
Speaker 3: We've started now spilling up production of the battery cell,
and we're going to be expanding production of the Model Y,
especially once as we get approval for supervised full self driving.
Then from a product from the next major product standpoint,
I think most likely is the Tesla cybercap but then
there's also possibilities of Tesla optimists and the Tesla semi
heavy truck. So like Tesla has a lot of products
coming out, so there's a lot of potential. I think
if things go are looking good, I think we would
expand gigable and to whatever the most that.
Speaker 4: We could, you know, gigentic manufacturing.
Speaker 2: So we have a lot of space.
Speaker 3: Well, assuming that the you know, authorities are supportive and
the people are supportive, then we would expand to probably
make it the biggest factory complex in Europe.
Speaker 4: Very cool, that's a cool future.
Speaker 5: All right, then we have ourkil He's got an interesting question.
Speaker 3: Hilan, So when do you realistically think we can have
Optimus in the Giga.
Speaker 2: Factory so we don't have to worry about ergonovic sense stuff. Well,
where do we look careful about that?
Speaker 3: One?
Speaker 2: I don't want people to worry about their job, you know, no, So.
Speaker 3: I mean the onest answer for AI and robotics is
long term working will be optional, like long term you know,
which is ten years from now or less. Work will
be optional, like if you want to work, you can
like kind of like if you grow vegetables, you can
grow vegetables in your garden or you can get them
from the store. It's optional to grow vegetables in your garden.
Speaker 2: But some people select to do it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's extra work to grow your own vegetables, but
it's people enjoy the process. That's going to be how
work is in the future. It'll be like you can
work if you want it.
Speaker 2: Very cool.
Speaker 3: Yeah, how can we make sure that the adoption of
new technologies like Optimus rich countries in the third World?
Speaker 4: I think it's an interesting question generally.
Speaker 3: Well, I think for oftenness, we we first have to
succeed in making a useful robot.
Speaker 2: So the this is a hard thing to solve. Nobody
is solved making a truly useful humanoid robot.
Speaker 3: And then you have to make useful and you have
to scale production, and it's an entirely new supply.
Speaker 2: Chain, you know.
Speaker 3: The for optimists, we've had to design the whole robot
from physics first principles, so that we you know, we're
designing the every motor, every gearbox or no gearbox, every
gear really and the that the hands are extremely difficult
to design. To have a properly dexterous UH robot hand
is very very difficult, one of the hardest things to engineer.
So it's it's we actually first need to have at
least one that is useful, and then we can scale production.
And it's at first the tasks will be pretty simple,
that often is, and they will gradually get more sophisticated.
I think eventually optimists could do medical work like it
could do be a doctor, like do surgery, and there's
long term potential for everyone in the world to have
access to incredible medical care, like better medical care than
anyone receives today from humans. So I think long term
luck optimists as a surgeon would be incredibly good, super
super competent, and everyone in the world would get better
medical care than anyone currently in the world gets. Yeah, hey, Leon,
what advice would you give young people for life? What
advice would I give young people for life? Well, I
would say one thing is to be to err on
the side of optimism, to be optimistic about the future.
Speaker 2: I think it's.
Speaker 3: Better to be It's better to err on the side
of being optimistic and wrong than pessimistic and right.
Speaker 2: Your quality of life will be much better.
Speaker 3: So so I would urge people to be excited about
the future. I'm excited about the future, like I'm confident
that the future will not be boring. They put it
that way, It's going to be very interesting and and
I think it's like most likely to be great, you know,
in terms of like general advice, I mean, I guess
I advise people to like learn as much as possible,
read a lot of books, try a lot of things,
and I guess, you know, I mean, I guess, enjoy life.
Speaker 2: Just enjoy life.
Speaker 3: But like working is also part of enjoying life, you know,
totally so.
Speaker 4: Kind of job that you can actually enjoy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think if if people derive satisfaction from building things,
then like Tesla's an awesome place to be because we
built things, we make useful products, and that's I mean,
that's a great thing.
Speaker 2: What is the most inspiring moment in your life?
Speaker 3: You know, I guess when my kids were born, that
would be the most inspiring moment, you know, in terms
of work stuff, I guess it's when we had the
first production roadster at Tesla. That was really you know,
it was like hard to believe that we actually made
a car that passed all of the regulatory requirements and
you could actually go on the road with it legally,
because when we started out, we didn't even know how
to make a car and you know, on the rocket side.
The first time getting to orbit was was a huge relief.
We're using you know, getting the rocket to come back
and land. It was very cool. The self driving stuff,
I think is pretty amazing. Amazing the first time somebody
experiences self driving where they're just sitting there and the
car takes them all the way from their home.
Speaker 2: To their work and parks. It's a case of mind blowing.
It is.
Speaker 5: I'm using it when I'm in the US older time.
It is a lot better than people can actually imagine.
Speaker 2: I think it's like magic. It is well cool and
thank you so much for your time, really having you here.
Speaker 5: And yeah, hopefully we see you soon in Berlin again
and show you around we have done since we visited.
Speaker 2: Us last time.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and once again to you know, the people are
pick a ballin Danka shown for We're Hot at.
Speaker 2: Abte Tunc show.
Speaker 4: Thank you, Elan, Thanks for your time.
Speaker 1: Cool, very fun, Thanks for listening. To see you in
the next episode.