Speaker 1: When your old career gives you lemons throwing some ice
mix in some vodka colored a podcast from the Mac
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Speaker 2: Hello, I just had a horrible thought in my head
and I can't share it. I can't even I don't
know why I got there. That's what I want to welcome.
That's what OCD is like. Dude, that thanks forgetting your
pot on. Thanks for telling a friend. That's how we
spread the.
Speaker 3: Word about the pirate ship.
Speaker 4: Dan, he's here.
Speaker 2: What what hack is that? A Connor's at First?
Speaker 3: Oh no, no, no, no, excuse you know what. I don't want.
Speaker 2: I don't want to.
Speaker 4: I don't want to, Like I could get.
Speaker 3: A Connor's at First logo on the back if I wanted.
Speaker 4: Okay, but where did you get that?
Speaker 3: This is a New Era Bills had? Oh okay, black
and white the white Bison.
Speaker 2: My cousin is working for New Era. Oh wow, she
lives in Parks of the Utah. But she just got
hired by new Era.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, so yeah, new eras new eras the one
Starter was the big deal. Yes, new era is the
new Well, I don't off them the new starter, but
they've been started for some time.
Speaker 2: I gotta tell you, like the one there are like
you go brands, right, yeah, And if I were to
have my way in life. It's kind of stupid because
you can. But if I had it, I love like
luxurious stuff, like nice things, yeah, nice clothes. It doesn't
custom made, but I want it. I want low key.
I want quiet luxury. I don't need a chicken on
my chest or a bird or whatever. You understand the
Ralph Lauren and he can't get away logo. You don't
need the logo.
Speaker 3: No, I just want cool. I just want to I
don't want to make myself a target. It's I wear
this shirt that promotes our Oh, I know what you mean.
Speaker 2: No, but that's what That's what I like. I like
that subtle, subtle, right. But it's I You talk about brands,
and there are some that people look down upon, And
I have a Champion sweatshirt. On the other day. Somebody goes,
that's a nice sweatshirt and I go, oh, it's just
a bowl over and go no, but it looks like
a nice quality heavy shad who made it. I said Champion.
They go, oh, what does that mean? And it's so
weird because I just think that people I don't think
people know what quality is.
Speaker 4: I think we get caught up in the brand.
Speaker 2: Yes, I think the brand versus the quality, and that's
where some of the best brands are ones you may
not know.
Speaker 3: Champion outfitted the Dream Team. Yeah, with their jerseys. Yeah,
they outfit the Dream Team. That was thirty nineteen ninety two.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: OK.
Speaker 3: The Bills used to wear Champion right shirts or jerseys.
And then Jim Kelly you can look this up, got
in trouble because he was supposed to wear Champion cleats
for games. You were like when they had astro turf,
they'd wear turf shoes. Well, they weren't comfortable for Jim,
so he put on Nike's, taped up his sneaks and
then put the Sea for Champion on. If you go
back to the late eighties early nineties, a lot of
guys did this because they had to show off the
logo because Champion had the rights YEA to the shoe,
to the spikes or whatever. And he's like, these sucks.
So there's a picture of him getting tackled. He's getting
up and no, no, the bottom of his shoes are
being revealed, and they both say Nike, even though he's
got the Sea written.
Speaker 4: On the tape.
Speaker 3: So he got Yeah, he got some trouble for that,
but he wasn't wrong. Champion stuff slowly started getting bad.
Speaker 2: No, but they've come back. People, well, right, they're sneaky
good now. Now sometimes what's old is new again.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: Familiarity is the new new, and that can happen. And
we had a discussion about things that used to be
acceptable that are no longer acceptable.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, and.
Speaker 2: I got an email from a I looked at this
person up and I'll tell you about in a second,
says hey, Bill, Dear Bill. That opener with Dan really
set the energy for the latest episode.
Speaker 3: Awesome.
Speaker 2: I don't know when this came in, and it came
in Tuesday, but I think this is an episode we
did last week. And I couldn't help but get caught
up in your discussion on how language shifts through the years.
The reference to that old Maximum article and your reflections
on how certain things in the media used to fly
but don't anymore were spot on it's moments like that
and the Taylor Swift podcast comparison later in the show
that make billified such a great mix of humor and
real talk. So I'm going I can't tell like sometimes
with these and you don't know with AI anymore of
who's writing I mean in terms of who's punching up
a letter. But I'm like, Okay, is this person for
real or not? I'd love to join your show for
a conversation about where language, education and cultural boundaries meet today.
My background as a columnist for outlets like The Wall
Street Journal in the Hill gives me a unique vantage
point into how education policy, anti Semitism, and public debate
are evolving. Okay, recent exchanges I've had with figures like
Charlie Kirk Alan Dershowitz often come back to the same
idea you highlighted. Context matters.
Speaker 3: Yes, Charlie Kirk has really risen lately as far as well,
turning point, USA is his is his baby. He started
that and then Dershowitz was one of OJ's attorneys.
Speaker 2: Especially when especially when discussing what we can say and
what crosses the line. With the modest following of around
fifty thousand on social media. I try to keep these
topics accessible and engaging, and I think your audience would
appreciate a candid discussion on media education and where America
is headed next. I'm always up for a lively debate
and some good radio stories. So if you're interested, I'd
be thrilled to jump behind the mic with you best. Gregory.
Speaker 3: What's his Twitter handle?
Speaker 2: Gregory is on LinkedIn. Gregory is a high school student
and he's Yeah, he's the youngest columnist in America. He
writes for news Matt. He writes for mostly conservative outlets.
Oh wow, yeah, according to LinkedIn. I so I wrote
him back and go sure, But it was that, and
I started.
Speaker 4: I don't. I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't know what Gregory's experiences with stuff, where he's
gonna come from. I should probably try to look up
some of his articles when I get a chance, But
I would have him on and I would have to.
Speaker 4: Be a day that year here. Okay, yeah, you know
what I mean.
Speaker 3: So he sounds like us, I don't. I want to
use this the right way, A savant like being young, yes,
and talented enough to have that type of discussion.
Speaker 2: I mean, look, he's a columnist.
Speaker 3: He is columnist from the Wall Street Journal in the Hill.
Speaker 2: Yeah they're not freaking good. Yeah they're not gonna let
just anybody. But well it looks like a little geeky
kid and is it is LinkedIn picture, which I don't
I mean that in a sweet way, because it sounds
I guess it does sound mean, but I don't mean
it in the mean way. I mean, like, yeah, you
could you look at this kid and you go, oh, yeah,
he's he's he could definitely be writing for.
Speaker 4: One of those magazines.
Speaker 2: You know what I mean, if you like came out
looking like the captain the football team, be like, eh,
I'm not so sure.
Speaker 4: But yeah he did.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 2: But that made me start thinking about like the things.
It's so strange because right after that, I see an
article about movies from the seventies that you should watch
and they give you a whole list and one of them,
I'm just gonna go to one.
Speaker 3: You mean, like before you say that, here we go. No, No,
you mean like when you go to like a place
like McQuaid and they give you a reading list of
books that you should have read by this grade. Like
culturally speaking, here's ten movies like yeah, confession. Friday night,
I watched Days and Confused for the first time with
my wife.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I think everybody should watch that.
Speaker 2: So, uh, dayson Confused.
Speaker 3: Is alright, alright, yeah, yeah, Yeah. It's Ben Affle McConaughey,
a very very young the guy who plays Rip and Yellowstone,
that touser. You wouldn't even recognize him. He's in the movie.
And then there's some other like Parker Posey's in it. Yeah,
and there's some other people that you're like, what happened
to these guys?
Speaker 2: Yeah? So this is just a list of movies from
the seventies that they say are the best, and one
of them is Chinatown and Chinatown. It sort of grabbed
me because I had read an excerpt from the book
that the Jay Giles frontman Peter wolf Rowe, and he
was married to Fade dune Away, but he talked about
remember I said he went over. He went over to
Jack's house with Fay two and they and Jack had
like a party, and he wanted Fae to rehearse lines,
so they went upstairs.
Speaker 4: But they went up.
Speaker 2: Around midnight, and that's Peter waited till like five in
the morning, and he's yelling her name and calling her
name and all this stuff. So he went into call
Jack's furniture and dunked it in the end of the
pool and got a taxi home. And that made me laugh,
and I go, I've never seen Chinatown well because of
this email.
Speaker 3: I don't know that.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 2: China Town is supposed to be about a detective who
falls in love with the client from the nineteen thirties,
I don't I don't know. This is one of the scenes.
They'll listen closely, Jack slapping and then he throws her
across the room, like throws her, and I go, I
don't know if they made that movie today, if that
scene would be in there. I mean, he freaking slaps
her right across the face, and I go, maybe we're
better off for not having that.
Speaker 4: But yeah, slapped her across the face.
Speaker 3: There's a talk show host named Colin Cowherd who swears
up and down the China Town not The Godfather Part
two was the best movie of nineteen seventy four. Yeah,
Godfather too won Best Pictures, the only sequel to win
Best Picture. But in both movies you see the main
character slapping women.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, women, Yep, it's wild then you get the tough, you.
Speaker 5: Get tender, you get tender, you get close to each other,
maybe you even get close to the truth. Jack Nicholson
and Fade Dunaway in a Robert Evans production of a
Roman Polanski finish Chinatown.
Speaker 2: The sky sounds like eight of box of mor Blos. Now,
I gotta see this China town to see. Yeah, I
do too, But the slap, and I went, that's so weird.
And then I went, I got to go back to
all the classics. Yes, the classics where do you get slapped?
Of talk where men talked about slapping women in public,
one of them a football great DC Jones. The head
slap was to do two purposes.
Speaker 3: One was to give.
Speaker 6: Myself an initial head start on the past rush. In
other words, hey, extra step, because anytime you go outside
a man's head or woman, then they have a tendency
to blame the eyes or close the eyes.
Speaker 7: And that was all I.
Speaker 3: Needed or a woman, you understand, NFL PILs He's broadcast
this four.
Speaker 2: I shouldn't laugh because but it's so out of it
was so out of the thinking in the world I
grew up in, right, You just you didn't you always
told you don't lay a hand on a woman.
Speaker 4: No, right, I think, yeah.
Speaker 2: So, but this was like, this guy is talking about football.
There's only men play football, and only men played football there.
They didn't have female tackle leagues were allowed to play,
didn't have flag football that they're gonna have in the Olympics.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they didn't have any.
Speaker 3: And this guy says, and he even pauses, he pauses.
Speaker 6: The handslap was to do to one, was to give
myself an initial hits on the fast step, because anytime
you go upside a man's head pull woman.
Speaker 2: Oh it wasn't even a pause. Forgive me, it's an
or a woman like. He just didn't even miss a beat.
Speaker 3: Look at that big deal, And I think I know
we're going next.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, this is one of my favorites.
Speaker 2: Oh you thought was this?
Speaker 3: Barbara Walters? And yes, and.
Speaker 2: Sean Connery now Sean Connery. And again I'm gonna say,
I'm going to say cultural difference, and I'm going to
give an example as to why I think this is
a cultural difference.
Speaker 3: Cultural money.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I and again not that it's right. I don't
believe it's right. I don't think I will say and
I have said for many many, many years on the radio.
If your first instinct is to hit, then there's something
wrong with you. Yes, right, I have said that, but
in this instance it's so well laid out his logic,
like he this is Sean Connery at his core, believes this.
Speaker 4: Here we go.
Speaker 8: He did an interview in which you said, not the
worst thing to slap a woman, now and then, as
I remember, you said, you don't do it with a
clenched fist. It's better to do it with an open hand.
Yeah remember that?
Speaker 2: Yeah, Now you would think that you're sitting in front
of cameras with Barbara Walters. You are a global as
global can get at the time, icon right, you You
played James Bond, You've done all kinds of movies. You're
considered one of the sexiest men alive, even though you're
going bald. I mean you really you got the shit
going on.
Speaker 3: Welcome to the Rock.
Speaker 2: You think you think, you think you'd watch your words.
Speaker 8: You think, not the worst thing to slap a woman,
now and then, as I remember, you said, you don't
do it with a clenched fist. It's better to do
it with an open hand. Yeah remember that. Yeah, I
wouldn't love that.
Speaker 7: I haven't changed my opinion.
Speaker 3: You haven't.
Speaker 8: No, do you think it's good to slap a woman?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 9: I don't think it's good. I don't think it's that bad.
I think that it depends entirely on the circumstances and
if it.
Speaker 7: Merits it, what would merit it?
Speaker 9: Well, if you have tried everything else, and women are
pretty good at this that they can't leave.
Speaker 7: It alone, they don't.
Speaker 9: They want to have the last word, and you give
them the last word, but they're not happy with the
last world.
Speaker 7: They want to say it again and.
Speaker 9: Get into a really provocative situation. Then I think it's
absolutely right.
Speaker 3: I would, okay, you put that in there, like I
don't remember that being a part of it. You'd get canceled. Yes,
you'd be fucking canceled today.
Speaker 4: Yes, there's not a chance, snowballs chance.
Speaker 2: In hell that that guy's getting away with saying Oh.
Speaker 3: People would dig it back up and if you were
still alive, yeah, in twenty twenty, Yeah, people would have
dug that back up and then canceled him.
Speaker 2: Maybe maybe, except that I think there is a thing
old man forgiveness, Like he's so old at this point
point and feeble that what's the point, you know what
I mean? Now, maybe we should start. I don't know
that Cosby's ever gonna get that old man forget.
Speaker 3: You're not gonna forgive me for putting my slender putting.
Speaker 2: Because he was like basically drugging women and then having.
Speaker 3: His famous line was you need some contact. Yeah, so
you need some context.
Speaker 2: So and Sean didn't have a list to win.
Speaker 4: He just said, hey, yeah.
Speaker 7: A woman.
Speaker 3: Look, we know how women are. They have to have
the last word. They don't. They won't stop like a
hard knocks last night when you had to take the
quarterbacks all talk and not alan the other quarterbacks. You know,
ever knows your wife's always right, My wife's always right.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Mike too.
Speaker 8: He did an interview in which you said, not the
worst thing to slap a woman now and then, as
I remember, you said, you don't do it with a
clenched fist. It's better to do it with an open hand.
Yeah remember that?
Speaker 2: Yeah, Okay, she does, she does, She goes yeah, and
she says it.
Speaker 4: I love it, and I paused it.
Speaker 2: I just want you to there's not even a one
Mississippi hesitation from when she says, I didn't love that
to when he talks he steps on her last word,
I would love that.
Speaker 7: I haven't changed my opinion.
Speaker 3: You have it. Do you think it's good to slap
a woman?
Speaker 7: No, I don't think it's good.
Speaker 2: But I mean, he's just answering it. Yeah, there's no
fucking shame in this guy's.
Speaker 3: No, he doesn't even turn red. You watch it. He
doesn't turn red. Now, I have no regrets for what
I said. He's said. I'm not sorry.
Speaker 7: I don't think it's that bad.
Speaker 9: I think that it depends entirely on the circumstances and if.
Speaker 7: It merits it, what would merit it?
Speaker 9: Well, if you have tried everything else, and women are
pretty good at this that they can't leave it alone.
Speaker 2: They don't.
Speaker 9: They want to have the last word, and you give
them the laugh last word, but they're not happy with
the last word.
Speaker 7: They want to say it again and.
Speaker 9: Get into really provocative, said you, then, big brat, I
think it's absolutely right.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry here, no hes there's a sniff, no reservation,
no reluctance, no interruption.
Speaker 4: But that's a sniff at the end. You hear that sniff.
Speaker 3: That's yeah, like like like absolutely right, Like when an
animal like a ram or like it's about to attack, Yeah,
and they start kicking their front like yeah, but I
was right.
Speaker 2: But I wouldn't take it even as as like an arrogant, like,
you know, an intellectual note on anybody who's about to
make a point. Yeah, absolutely right.
Speaker 3: And the reason they could get away with that back then,
I'm sure people were offended in their homes, but they
had no outlet to go complain.
Speaker 4: Well, that's true, we didn't have social media.
Speaker 3: We're going to get on the phone with Nancy at
ten thirty on a Friday, and I watched twenty twenty
and go, did you hear what Economy said?
Speaker 4: I bet there's I bet the network got a lot
of complaints.
Speaker 3: But I'm going to bring this up at the PTA meeting.
Speaker 2: But I think that this may be a cultural thing.
And I'm gonna I'm gonna go back to Scotsman. Huh,
the Scotsman or the age group. I'm gonna say, not
Scotsman so much as generation. I would say Celtic or
including like all the United Kingdom. Okay. And the reason
I say that is there was a cartoon in the
Funnies in the Sunday paper. Do you remember the Sunday
paper when it would come when you were a kid,
and it had.
Speaker 3: The full thing, not Sunday it would come in color.
Speaker 2: It would come in color, the cartoon car color, the funnies,
and there was one about an English an englishman. It
was a drunk Do you remember this one? No you don't,
well it's it was old, so don't worry, okay. But
it was in the papers in the eighties and I
think into the nineties, and it was only really meant
to be originally it spoke to the life in northern England.
It was Andy Capp and Andy would get drunk and
he would stumble home after you know, he would leave
the factory job.
Speaker 3: And he would go Andy CAP's the guy who wore
the hat and he had the big nose. You couldn't
see his face, did you see his big nose in
his style.
Speaker 4: But then he would go.
Speaker 2: Home to his wife who would say something like a
major to dinner, but now it's cold, and he punts
her in the face and go back.
Speaker 4: To the bar.
Speaker 2: It was Red Smith did it for the Daily Mirror
in nineteen fifty seven and Andy Capp made it made
it to the United States. It was in the Sunday Funnies.
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about to begin and there's all kinds of fun things happening.
If you are into bedding. I think these new rule
changes could affect some things and some decision making. There's
three specific rule changes that I focused on. I don't
know how many there are or aren't. The dynamic kickoff
rule is one. Yes, wait, we had it where they
moved it up to the twenty. They're trying to make
it so guys aren't just getting the ship beat out
of them. The problem is you're also not getting a
dynamic return right.
Speaker 3: So all the had to do is adopt the XFL rule,
but they decide, no, we can't do that. We got
we got to make it own, and then the XFL
became the UFL decided to go back to the old
school kickoff.
Speaker 2: So it does give you though, like we have squib kicks,
directional kicks and return skiing. There's all this stuff, right,
and I think you're going to see that maybe later
in games if they're close, But for the most part,
I think that there's it's going to be higher scoring.
I think you're going to have a higher scoring NFL,
because guys are really, what are your two first downs
from the end zone at thirty five? At thirty five,
And really what they're doing is putting the onus on
the kicker to put it between to put it at
the ten yard line right, so then somebody will return it.
But you know, guys kicking it out into the end
zone if that's the kick hard. But and look, I
don't know if you're eventually going to see a return
specialist come back, somebody who can just see the field
and know where to go, and you know, almost a
Barry Sanders vision of the field kind of thing.
Speaker 3: Well, last year and if you more of the Bills
opener against Arizona, you got every possible scenario under last
year's kickoff rules come true in that game with kick
returns the way it would land in the end zone,
if it landed out of bounds, if it dribbled due
the end zone, if it landed in its blast. I
think one got I think a couple got returned in
that game.
Speaker 10: But the thing is like, not many throughout the season, no, no,
But like with the players lined up closer to the
kick returner, all he's got to do is get by
a couple of guys and sprung and he could be gone.
Speaker 2: This is what I'm saying. Yeah, but I also think
if you're a better you may want to almost look
at the over sometimes over, you know what I mean
in terms of combined score, because I think this is
going to lead to higher scoring games.
Speaker 4: Now, it's all going to depend on who's playing in
the game.
Speaker 3: Early in the season is the time they bet for that.
Speaker 2: The expanded replay assist. The expanded replay assists for the
NFL this season, I think is kind of interesting. It really,
if there's a missed call, they can't call it. So
if they see something on replay assists, they can't. But
if there was a call that was made and didn't happen,
a holding, and it's usually to benefit the defensive player, right,
some kind of thing. So I wonder if you're going
to see more defensive players taking chances getting in guys
faces a little bit off, you know, problem old school
because there's a chance with the replay assist, why not, right?
Speaker 3: I mean, for the last few years, you've seen and
I don't know if you've noticed this, but the left
tackle and the right tackle are moving a fraction of
a second before the staff.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and no one's calling.
Speaker 3: No one's calling.
Speaker 9: Now.
Speaker 2: I don't know if that could be called, but it's
mostly I mean it may be.
Speaker 4: Here's the thing.
Speaker 2: It should reduce some automatic first downs, so for offenses
very well could. So it's just something to keep an
eye on or think about when you're placing bets. I think,
because then you go, all right, we got chance for
higher scoring this that really look at it. And the
other one, I mean, I think this also could reduce
the hesitancy the replaces among defenders and things like that.
The other one that I think is very interesting and
I think will affect betting is the Thursday night Football
flex rule. This is different. Normally you need a month
to flex with Thursday night Football. They only have to
do it for three weeks out. And the reason they're
doing this is obviously money. People have been bitching about
the games. I think on paper, there was the cults
in the Broncos game a couple of years ago, and
it was going to be Matthew who used to play
for Atlanta and then retired to a cult versus Ryan. Yeah,
Matt Ryan versus Russell, right, and everybody I think the
score was twelve to nine. I think it was like
seven field goal.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's been some bad Thursday night games. Yeah, so
they try, so they expanded last year they extended these flexis.
Used to be just Sunday nights. Yeah, now they've extended
it to Thursday night.
Speaker 4: But Thursday night doesn't have to do a month out.
No one wants to do.
Speaker 3: Three three weeks now.
Speaker 2: So I think that if you're betting, you got to
look at and by the way, real quick, kind of
shitty for fans if you bought tickets to go see
a game and then it gets flexed to Thursday night,
you're at your hotel everything. I mean, let's say you
were going on the road to see Buffalo play Miami, Miami, Seattle,
whatever it could, and it gets flexed through Thursday, and
your ship out of luck, and that that's kind of
the shitty.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like if if something happened to haven't forbid, something
happened to a quarterback this year, yeah.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah yeah right, so there you've got that.
Speaker 2: Obviously, they're trying to get the I don't know that
they're trying to get the ratings up.
Speaker 3: Well maybe they are to because they need more revend.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, and I'm sure.
Speaker 3: Now because if because if you raise the price, if
you raise the ratings, then you raise the price, and
the streaming bids and the wars. Now, I mean, I
don't have to see what's going on with baseball right now,
but now it looks like baseball is going to be
completely like streamed by ESPN.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So I mean it's like and you got to buy
the MLB package.
Speaker 4: And it's going to be a messy.
Speaker 3: So it could it could be better, it could, it
could suck. But now you, like somebody said, with football,
now you need like several subscriptions to watch football. And oh,
by the way, on a Sunday.
Speaker 2: Do you though, because you could get the NFL ticket
through YouTube, you can't, but then you have to buy
the NFL.
Speaker 3: You have to buy the NFL ticket. Yeah, you know.
And so I mean you're right.
Speaker 2: To see all the games if you didn't want to
buy the NFL ticket. You need Peacock, you need Netflix, yes,
you need, and.
Speaker 3: Then you got of course, you got your regular channels too.
Speaker 2: Right, you need all your regular channels. You need ESPN
for Monday Night football, and I don't think is Monday
night football on ESPN Plus.
Speaker 3: Yes it is waxing. No, I don't think it is. No,
I don't think it's.
Speaker 2: Yes, so therefore you got to buy ESPN. Yes, ESPN
Plus is it's being plus To me, it just doesn't
seem worth it and I have it.
Speaker 3: No, Yes, Well, a lot of it's tied into the
digital side. Yeah, the digital side of what like the
writing and stuff. No, I get that, but I mean
that's my point. That's why I.
Speaker 2: See the fucking game. If you're looking to celebrate anything
and you've got fantasy football, yeah, and you need a
place for your draft, get to bet b now, yeah,
because this is going to book up fast. They've hurry up.
They've got a great room back there, great food. And
I wonder if Matt would let stay in the restaurant
for twenty you'd have to have someone with them, but
uh or locking in the mall for twenty.
Speaker 3: Four hours that mall, Yeah, oh boy, that could be fun.
Speaker 2: Like not that you get locked in, but you have
to find a way to stay in. You gotta hide,
you know what I mean. You gotta hide, and you've
got to.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, that's what you got to do that anyway, BTBU.
The food is delicious, the portions are enormous. They've got
the longest happy hour from eleven to six. The brunch
is fantastic. It's award winning, uh in my opinion. The
I mean just alone, you get that.
Speaker 4: Didn't you have the eggs?
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 4: The burrito fried?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, oh yeah, it was incredible.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I took half of it home.
Speaker 4: That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: And then on Saturday night, I had the uh the
I don't think it's say garbage plate, but I had
something like the garbage plate burrito.
Speaker 2: I think you had their plate. Yeah, the play burrito.
Speaker 3: Yeah, with the fries, Oh my gosh, it was incredible.
Speaker 2: The meat sauce, and they sell it outside of bTB establishmentsous. Uh,
that is truly award winning. Yes, And I would say
Dan that I ate an entire pizza there, and.
Speaker 4: I know I watched that was pretty good.
Speaker 3: Yeah. We yeah, well you had one little little sliver
of a slice, didn't.
Speaker 2: I didn't want to be a whole Yeah, right, I
ate of the pizza like Kevin you ever get down
to He didn't know it was him. It was Laura.
Laura had a slice.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 2: I kept trying to get everybody to havery. Kevin was
highly offended and what that we thought it was him?
And he goes why and I go, you really really
guess why?
Speaker 3: Dude.
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If I'm doing the math, bTB would fire pizza and
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I always get embarrassed at this kind of stuff. But
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that that's weird. Is I'm old now? Like I'm I'm
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Speaker 4: Could move into and retirement community.
Speaker 2: Do you understand?
Speaker 3: You know what I would take advantage of that? I think?
Speaker 2: I don't know. My poms get sweaty thinking about it.
Speaker 3: It's not a nursing home, it's your retirement community.
Speaker 4: I don't think that I'm I don't know. I don't
feel that old.
Speaker 3: You don't look that old.
Speaker 2: I don't, okay, but you look younger than I do.
Speaker 3: My wife will let me color my hair. That's another
issue for another time.
Speaker 2: You got a lot of issues. No, I'm good, I'm
teasing issues And yes, I know your issues.
Speaker 3: Are like they're like like sitcomicses.
Speaker 4: That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: So they all get wrapped up in twenty two minutes.
Speaker 2: But the but I so, I always thought celebrating your
birthday gets ridiculous.
Speaker 4: I think that I enjoy celebrating.
Speaker 2: Other people's birthdays.
Speaker 3: You want to celebrate a day of an accomplishment.
Speaker 2: Well, that was always my thing, remember, yeah, And I
talked about that yesterday. And I used to tease my kids,
Jackson and Jordan, and they got one of them got
so mad at me, probably Jordan, and uh got his
mother involved, and that's ridiculous, And I'm like, it's just
a joke.
Speaker 3: But it was.
Speaker 2: I had a like backpack, back, back back. But my
point was, after a certain age, Look, if you're Jewish,
what do they say to you at thirteen?
Speaker 4: If you're mad?
Speaker 3: Yes? Or a woman?
Speaker 7: No?
Speaker 4: Right exactly?
Speaker 2: Uh huh.
Speaker 3: I can't drive, no beer, no, can't vote, No, that't work? Right,
can't all? I always say right because you're right out
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Speaker 2: So well, okay, but you did a lot of work
to get there. You follow the whatever the protocol is.
Speaker 3: I had an Italian accent.
Speaker 2: I don't know what okay, But so I my thing was,
why don't we celebrate the day you accomplished whatever that
is that like in the past, let's say recent two
year window, whatever that was. You hit a home run.
Celebrate that day. Hey, it's home run day for Jordan everybody,
and have a party.
Speaker 3: You went back on the radio for the first time
in ten years, like somebody in this room did.
Speaker 2: Okay, it's quite an accomplishment, quite an accomplishment. So I
just think like that would be something you would you
would celebrate, we'd recognize that. And then maybe it's when
you graduate, and maybe it's when you get your master's degree.
And maybe it's when I don't know you. Maybe you're
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a race car and you and you you finally broke
top ten.
Speaker 3: Maybe you finished a book.
Speaker 2: Finish writing a book, okay, yeah, finish writing away.
Speaker 3: Aren't you working on a book?
Speaker 7: Uh?
Speaker 2: I have not. I've been working on other writing things.
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Speaker 3: Abuse it, taking advantage and abusing it.
Speaker 2: You know, And is it rude to take leftovers when
you didn't pay? I don't know. I can't really say that.
Speaker 3: With the guy's dad, I mean, it's his dad and
maybe is he broke? Is this kid broke or is
he really hungry? Is he like you know, I know
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like somebody offers you a couple of chicken fingers, you
take an extra one. I know what that's like. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: Order to side an extra side, and just as like
I can't, I can't finish it. I like going to
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comes to two sides, don't get a third? Go Yeah,
And so I think that that's probably what it is.
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the thing with my dad, and my mom even said
it on the last episode.
Speaker 4: Uh, he would.
Speaker 2: Walk around, well, my wallet's burpen Sky's the limit, and
then you'd order something and he'd but when we had
two years ago, it'll be two years ago. This Thanksgiving,
miar Ba, we went to Mirbeau.
Speaker 3: Whatever you want, saw me miar Bau. Oh, Paul Bill,
Oh my god, this wallet is perfect money Jamison did
what Chortane ordered?
Speaker 4: What so Jackson? Jackson ordered like an.
Speaker 2: Eighteen dollars No, it was Jordan, wasn't it.
Speaker 4: No, it was Jackson.
Speaker 2: It was Jackson.
Speaker 4: Maybe they both.
Speaker 3: Did and didn't order saw Martini.
Speaker 2: All right, hang on a second, hang on, like Garth
and Wayne's world would like, hang on, hang on, because
this is exactly what this is, okay, and it does
become one of these things where who's right and who's
wrong in terms of it if you say, you know,
and some people are very black and white with things.
I live more in a gray world and I kind
of look at things and.
Speaker 3: Go nuance, some nuance.
Speaker 2: But my old man did say it's on me Thanksgiving,
the entire family. So it's me, my three boys, It's
my brother, his wife, their two kids, my sister, her
husband and their two kids, and my mother and my
father who are no longer buried. But that was you know.
So we the Moran's at Mirbau. Yeah, at Mirbau, off
limits in Rhinebeck. So Jackson, the boys all order cocktails.
I happen to get be the lucky person who gets
to sit next to my dad. My sister's on one side,
but for whatever reason he he and she are side
by side. I'm on the corner, so I'm I'm kind
of where you are to me? And so he has
I'm in his line of sight. So I'm getting I'm
getting the I'm getting the frustration. I'm getting the frustration.
And he goes, uh what what he and he's like,
my hearing age, what do you were?
Speaker 4: What do you were? Hutch an eighteen dollar cocktail? Hutch
An eighteen dollars? What Jesus God today? And I'm going
you said so.
Speaker 2: And now I'm like trying to fucking flag my kids
like I'm at a fucking airport.
Speaker 4: I'm waving napkins.
Speaker 2: I'm doing all this ship trying to get their attention,
going fucking cut the ship with the drinks, just get
anything other than this thing. Then the woman comes around
and she says, uh, wine, you know.
Speaker 4: Who wants my brothers off?
Speaker 2: Wine? Wine? Wine? And my brothers, why don't we just
get a bottle? My father goes, what what did Kevin do?
Now I have to be the one sitting next to him,
and I got to hear all this.
Speaker 4: I hope you're listening somewhere.
Speaker 3: You're the oldest.
Speaker 2: So I'm sitting there and I here, what did he do?
And then Katy goes, I have wine? My mom of wine, morgan,
I have wine. That's when I'm and and and they go,
what are you gonna have? And I go, I guess
I'll have wine, So make it two bottles. My father goes, what.
Speaker 3: Did he do? He can't hear two bottles?
Speaker 2: Did he say?
Speaker 3: Two bottles?
Speaker 2: Wha wa wa whoa whoa whoa woh woh woa whoa whoa.
Speaker 4: Whoa whoa whoa whoa.
Speaker 2: I want to know the price.
Speaker 4: I want to know the price on these bottles.
Speaker 3: Before which my father always used to say, if you
have to ask the price, you can afford it.
Speaker 2: This is the thing that's so. You can't be the
thousand air who's gonna throw around your.
Speaker 3: Fucking money, no credit card millionaire, can't do it. I
can't do it. My father always used to say, everybody
always knew it. My father walked in the room, or
my uncle. It was on them.
Speaker 2: Okay, that's great. And the same thing with my.
Speaker 3: The reason was because like he never wanted to ask,
He never wanted to look like he couldn't. You know, gay,
whatever you want, it's how he was. It's how he was.
I'm kind of the same way, actually.
Speaker 2: But my my my dad always picked up the bill
for everything. But he made a big point of this, right,
and but they didn't have prices on the menu anything.
Speaker 3: Of course that so they do. Now you kind of
understand what you're walking into.
Speaker 2: Now we find out, I think, because he's going to
be how much a bottle? You think to this? How much?
What do you think a bottle? And I go, I
don't know, Dad, I go, I have no idea. Well
what what? What?
Speaker 4: What do you think?
Speaker 8: You know?
Speaker 2: Some wines?
Speaker 4: I go, I'm gonna say anywhere from fifty fifty dollars
a bottle?
Speaker 2: I go, I go, give me anywhere from fifty to
a hundred dollars. What?
Speaker 3: So, now now you know you don't have to tip
on alcohol.
Speaker 2: Right, So there's like, so my entire Thanksgiving there, I'm
just sitting there and like, and at that point he
was starting the Parkinson's was getting bad. So I just
walked with him to the bathroom and he's motherfucking the
whole way.
Speaker 4: Who does this? And you know, I'm hosting this thing
and they turn on the TV to have the game on.
That is pretty rude. But the TV's behind him.
Speaker 2: It's not even like he could see it. He's just bitching,
just a bitch, because I don't know if he doesn't
have control, you would think at this age and knowing
that you were leaving the I he didn't.
Speaker 4: But you're leaving the planet in less than two years.
Speaker 2: Just let everybody be, just enjoy the moment, the moment
and the chaos. But he added to mine, and so
this kept going on. I think it turned out to
be seventy eight dollars a bottle for the wine, okay,
and at a place like that, that's what you're gonna pay.
Speaker 3: Yeah, behundred sixty bucks.
Speaker 2: So he and then Jackson orders a second martini.
Speaker 4: What is he doing to waiting?
Speaker 2: Let me tell you something that's pretty goddamn ruone on
somebody else's time. Same thing like this letter, this rediquid,
somebody else's time, and this guy. So the next year
we go out again, this time not to Mirbeau. And
the reason we didn't go to Mirebau is he didn't
like the food. He didn't think the food was that good,
and so we go somewhere else and this year, instead
of asking, we start.
Speaker 4: Our own alcohol bill.
Speaker 2: And then he gets wind of it, it gets pissed
and insists I'm paying for everything.
Speaker 4: And takes it.
Speaker 2: But at Mirbau while we're sitting there, he fucking gets
the bill Dan and he goes, oh, oh, sway under
what I thought.
Speaker 3: It's not a problem sound and a period but signifying
nothing nothing.
Speaker 2: And I go, what the fop?
Speaker 4: What the flip?
Speaker 2: And then but never let it go even the next year,
saying to Jacker, you got one of those eighteen dollars,
like he kept saying it to Jackson right if you
if I asked Jackson about it, he'll And then it
was like we're walking my liquor store goes, uh, anybody
want to go in and see if they have a
seventy eight dollars bottle of wine? Anybody want to check?
Like it was always these little digs, these passive, aggressive
digs that were always there literally literally why skim is it?
Why is that? Because it's just because I lived that
for so long with self, and it's like it's it's
uncomfortable and you don't want to say no to anybody
and you don't want to be rude to them, but
yet at the same time, you know this is where
the term that it's popular is boundaries.
Speaker 3: I'll tell you what I'll say this when I was
in radio, I had a lot more friends. Yes, and
when I gotta let go, all of a sudden, I
didn't hear from those same friends. And I was a
broke radio dude, but I was connected.
Speaker 4: You got it exactly what right?
Speaker 2: That's right? Well, Dan, thank you very much for the uh,
for the that's actually really good. That non alcoholic, that's
pretty much.
Speaker 3: It's like happy happy lemonade. Yes, that's not alcoholic.
Speaker 2: No, it's it's athletic.
Speaker 3: If you get a chance, watch Hard Knocks. I want
to get your take on the last ten minutes, just
the last ten minutes.
Speaker 2: In a week.
Speaker 3: I'll see you in a week, all right.
Speaker 2: I'll make notes, Yes, I will make notes, and I'll
try to Okay, that sounds good.
Speaker 4: For Dan Burrilla. I'm Bill Moran.
Speaker 2: Will see you tomorrow
Speaker 3: From Mississippi.