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Speaker 1: This is, like I said, an article from The New

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York Times and the headline is how a ring of

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women allegedly recruited girls for Jeffrey Epstein. The authors of

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the article are Amy Julia Harris, Francis Roebliss, Mike Baker,

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and William K. Rashbaum. This article was released by The

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New York Times on August twenty ninth, two thousand and nineteen. Now,

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remember I didn't start this podcast really until October, so

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all of these articles previously we never got to on

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the podcast. So when I was doing my research into

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the Sarah Kellen episode and I stumbled across this one

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that I had read a while back but I had

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never archived. For some reason, I thought that this would

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be a great place to start. Because as much as

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I get on top of legacy media and call them

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out when they're nonsensical for their bs, well, the New

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York Times did a really good job with this article

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profiling who these ladies are. So that's why we're starting here,

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and that's why we're going to read this article tonight.

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Hailey Robson was a sixteen year old South Florida high

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school student when an acquaintance from school approached her at

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a local pool with an intriguing offer. Did she want

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to make a month? Did she want to make extra

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money giving massages to a billionaire pedophile in Palm Beach?

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She agreed. When Jeffrey Epstein tried to grope her while

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she was giving him a massage wearing nothing but a thong,

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she brushed his hand away, Miss Robson said in a

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two thousand and nine deposition for a civil case. But

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she continued to visit mister Epstein's mansion dozens more times

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in a lucrative new role a recruiter of other teenage

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girls from her school. Now this is one of those

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situations where it's delicate in my opinion. Now, this is

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another girl who is only sixteen years old who has

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been recruited into this disgusting world of Jeffrey Epstein's. And

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now she's sixteen, and she's going back to school and

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recruiting other young girls to come and be a part

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of this. This is where I'm torn. How do you

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punish somebody that's only sixteen that was engaging in this.

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I don't. I'm not really capable and smart enough legally

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to even under begin to try and break that down

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right now. There has to be some sort of punishment.

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You can't get away with helping out a pedophile. But

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what is that punishment? I guess that's a question I'm

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asking the audience. I really don't for once, I don't

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have an opinion on that. I really don't know where

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to start when it comes to people like Hailey Robson,

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I don't know. I don't know what sort of punishment

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somebody like that should be looking at. What do you

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folks out there think? Send me some emails on that

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so I can get a feel for what you folks think,

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because one of the only times I can tell you

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in this case, I really don't have a strong opinion

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one way or the other because I don't. I guess

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I'm not well versed enough in that part of the

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law to understand how the penalties can be administered. Now,

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I definitely have some empathy for her, no doubt about it.

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At being recruited at that young of an age and

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then thrust into a role of where you can make

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money by bringing other girls there. You know, she's just

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a kid, so it's definitely delicate. Let me know what

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you think out there. I didn't have to convince them,

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she said in a deposition, I propose to them they

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took it again. Of course they did. Young girls that

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are from poor backgrounds, that have never really had anything,

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somebody's offering them two hundred bucks, three hundred bucks to

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come give some old creepy guy a massage. They're not

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thinking they're going there to get molested. They're not going

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there as prostitutes. There's nothing, first of all, no such

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a thing as a child prostitute. But that's not why

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they're going there. They were going over there thinking they

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were going to make a quick two hundred give it

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this dude a massage, and be done with their day

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and be onto the mall to buy a new pair

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of shoes or whatever it may be. Instead, they would

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get there and it would be a whole different set

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of circumstances. After miss mister Epstein's suicide allegedly in a

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Manhattan jail cell in early August, federal authorities have refocused

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their investigation on more than half dozen employees, girlfriends, and

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associates whom prosecutors say he relied on to feed his

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insatiable appetite for girls. According to two people with knowledge

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of the inquiry. Miss Robson now thirty three is among them. Again,

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definitely a delicate situation with Miss Robson. I'm not going

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to do a deep dive into her right this second.

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She is definitely on the radar, but it's like I said,

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it's a delicate situation with her and also honestly with

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Nadia marson Cova, and we'll get to that when I

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profile her. She had a bigger role than Haley Robson,

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a much more public role. So we're doing a deep

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dive on marson Cova. But again, I'm very you know,

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I'm torn on the whole situation because of the circumstances

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surrounding it. A review by The New York Times of lawsuits,

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unsealed court records and depositions, along with new interviews, offers

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disturbing allegations about this small this small cadre of women

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who helped mister Epstein lore girls into his orbit and

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manage the logistics of his encounters with them. Again, this

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is such an important part of the story. This whole

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operation could not have taken place, folks, without the help

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of the Core four, And that's why it's very important

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that we get to the bottom of it. It's very

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important that they answer questions. It's very important that the

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prosecutors pursue this very, very, very aggressively. The urgency of

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the investigation into mister Epstein's associates was underscored on Tuesday,

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when about two dozen women offered searing accounts of how

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he had sexually abused them before a packed courtroom in Manhattan.

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The judge overseeing the case had invited the women to

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speak out a hearing to dismiss the indictment against mister

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Epstein in light of his death. Again, another horrible decision.

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He should have been These crimes are so heinous. He

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should have been tried for these crimes in death, even

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even though he couldn't have been there. He couldn't be there.

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He should have been tried in death for these crimes.

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That's how horrible they were. Why not, Why can't Why

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couldn't we have done that? Make an exception, write a

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new law. They love writing new laws. We'll write a

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new law for something that's worthwhile for once. Several of

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the women implored federal prosecutors to continue investigating the women

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in mister Epstein's inner circle. Well, if the prosecutors don't

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want to do it, We'll do it here on the

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Jeffrey Epstein Show. And I know that other content providers

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and content creators are doing the same thing, like my

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good friends over at The Prince and the Purv. They're

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doing great work over there. If you're not subscribing to

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their podcast yet, get on it. My two pals from

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Australia are leaving no rock unturned in this case, so

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you definitely want to check out their work. Jeffrey is

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no longer here, and the women that helped him are,

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said Teresa Helm, who said she was excuse me, who

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said she was recruited into mister Epstein's world seventeen years ago.

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They definitely need to be held accountable for helping him,

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helping themselves, helping one another carry on this huge, almost

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like system. That's exactly what it is. Miss Helm is

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not wrong, one of the survivors speaking out. Miss Helm

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is not wrong. This is your prototypical criminal organization built

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exactly like the mafia, with levels of insulation, with protection

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for those that are in leadership roles, and the shit

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rolls downhill. Right. We see it all the time with

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these criminal investigations, and the only way that people at

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the top get popped. Is when you bring in the

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lower level individuals, the capos, the lieutenants, the street dealers,

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the street bosses. You bring them in, you round them up,

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and you put them to the question, and they start ratting.

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that is why we're doing this right now, at the time.

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We're doing it because it's very important that the prosecutors

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understand that the people demand action. Just like we demanded

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action with Weinstein, we demand action with these sick people

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as well. The United States Attorney in Manhattan, Jeffrey Berman,

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whose office brought char the charges against mister Epstein, said

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after his suicide that the investigation into the sex trafficking

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conspiracy was not finished and prosecutors were committed to standing

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up for the brave young women mister Epstein had abused. Well,

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that's all nice and nice and all, and you know,

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it's it's awesome that you can say that, and it's

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great for you to claim that that's what's going to occur.

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But if you really want to stand up for these girls,

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if you really want to stand up for the survivors,

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and believe me, I've heard it from their own mouths.

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If you really want to stand up for them, you

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need to prosecute. You need to go after these people

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with the same gusto that you go after drug dealers,

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with the same gusto you go after people that are

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involved in, you know, money crimes. This is such a

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heinous operation that these people were a part of, and

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the fact that nobody has been arrested in the inner circle,

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how can you possibly get up there and blow those

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words out of your mouth knowing that they're wind mister Berman,

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I implore you, sir, to do the right thing. But

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mister Epstein is excuse me. One of the women under scrutiny,

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mister Epstein's one time girlfriend, Gilaane Maxwell and co conspirator,

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has been accused in several well publicized lawsuits of overseeing

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efforts to procure girls and young women for him, a

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charge she has firmly denied. Yeah right, what'd you call him,

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Guilane new Biles. Huh, that's what you like, That's what

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you're try, That's what you're cruising Central Park for. Huh,

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new Biles, You sick, deranged woman. But mister Epstein is

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also accused in civil suits of relying on an organized

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network of underlings, those who trained girls how to sexually

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pleasure him, office assistants who booked cars and travel, and

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recruiters who ensured he was always he always had a

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fresh supply of teenage girls at the ready. Just think

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about that statement, always always had a fresh supply of

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teenage girls at the ready. Now get for a moment,

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forget that we were talking about human beings here. Okay,

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forget we were talking about people being trafficked, and let's

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think about this as a drug organization. He relied on

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a let's say his name was Pablo Escobar. Pablo Escobar

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relied on an organized network of underlings, those who, instead

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of trained girls, manufactured the drugs instead of how to

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sexually pleasure him. Those who who transported the drugs. Office

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assistants who booked cars and travel. That would be his

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other underlings that worked in a front office, that were

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in charge of the travel for all of the drug dealers,

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and recruiters who in sure he always had a fresh

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supply of teenage girls at the ready. Okay, if we're

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talking about in drug a drug cartel terms, those would

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be the people that would make sure that everything was

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happening correctly on the streets, making sure the drugs were

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getting to the places they needed to get to. So

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drugs and the other was involved in moving human flesh. Now,

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I find drugs at that level, selling drugs at that

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level to be a problem, there's no doubt. But I

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find it even more horrendous that a human trafficking ring

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is not being given the same look that a drug

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trafficking ring was given. How much money did they have

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on El Chapo's head? Again, don't get me wrong, he

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was a bad man. He was an evil man who

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was responsible for untold deaths, and there's no doubt that

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they should have went after him the way they did.

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My point is, though, why don't they go after Epstein's

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operation and other trafficking operations with the same zeal, especially

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considering when you break it down and look at it

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the way I just broke it down for you, there's

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no difference. It's the same exact thing here, folks. None

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of mister Epstein's associates have been charged or named as

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co conspirators in Manhattan, but federal authorities are eyeing possible

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charges that include sex trafficking and sex trafficking conspiracy. The

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two people with knowledge of the investigation said, and again,

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I hate beating a dead horse, and I know a

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lot of you out there are probably sick of hearing

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about RICO, but this is right here. This is textbook RICO,

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textbook RICO, especially considering it the human trafficking aspect has

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been added to the RICO statutes. I just don't understand.

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If Berman was serious, and if the prosecution was serious,

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this is the route they would be taking, because it

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gives them great latitude to really investigate everybody who has

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ever received a single dime from Jeffrey Epstein. Four women

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were apparently so instrumental to mister Epstein's operation that they

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were named as possible co conspirators and were granted immunity

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from prosecution in a widely criticized plea bargain mister Epstein

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struck with federal prosecutors in Florida more than a decade ago.

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That deal allowed mister Epstein to plead guilty to state

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charges and to spend thirteen months in a county jail

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rather than face a federal sex trafficking indictment. You know

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what's so laughable about that? The two guards are facing

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more jail time than Jeffrey Epstein Ever. Did I know

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people that have been arrested for illegal gambling charges, Folks

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that have done seven years. Do you know why because

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they got slapped with a rico charge. Yet these people,

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these people thirteen months, no jail time, immunity deals. It's

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like Oprah. You get an immunity deal, you get an

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immunity deal, you get an immunity deal. Everybody's getting immunity deals.

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Meanwhile nobody is getting justice. The four women, Sarah Kellen,

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Leslie Groff, Adriana Ross and Nadia Marsonkova, could still be

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subject to criminal charges in Manhattan. The United States Attorney

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Attorney's Office has said it is not bound by the

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Florida agreement. Bank Bang Boom, not bound by the Florida Agreement.

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Where are the charges? There is no excuse for there

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not to be charges. There is no excuse for these

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ladies not to be brought in at the very least,

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and put to the question, it says it right here,

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plain as day, the US Attorney's Office. In the United

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States Attorney's office has said it is not bound by

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the Florida agreement. So what is stopping you, mister Berman.

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I implore you to do your job, sir, the boss.

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Three women have alleged in lawsuits that mister Epstein's sex

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trafficking ring operated as a hierarchy, with the financier, pedophile

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and Miss Maxwell at the top. I'm not, you know,

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I don't when I'm telling you how I look at

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this organization. It's because of the conversations I've had with

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people who have been involved with Jeffrey Epstein, people who

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have been abused by Jeffrey Epstein. This isn't just you

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know at this point is this isn't theory, folks, This

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is fact, Okay, this was this whole thing was being

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operated as a criminal enterprise with leaders people in leadership

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roles and then underlinks. And there is no disputing that

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fact at this point, and that alone is enough for

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the authorities to go after them. But yet here we

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are she orchestrated the whole thing for Jeffrey. Sarah Ransom,

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who sued Miss Maxwell and other associates in twenty seventeen,

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said in an interview Miss Maxwell, the daughter of the

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British publishing magnet. Robert Maxwell was mister Epstein's longtime companion,

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managing his homes and introducing him to many many of

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the politicians, celebrities, and dignitaries who became fixtures within his

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social circle, all part of the plan. Maxwell was born

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for this. She was born for cloak and dagger. The

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people she grew up around, Folks, what do you think

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they were the same kind of people you and I

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grew up around. They were not. They were not. She

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was sent over here to make sure that Epstein was

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kept in line and so that Epstein would have access

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to all of these elites. She was the happy face

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put on Epstein, all right, And she was the reason

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he was able to finagle himself into these circles, to

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be around all of these rich people, to have access

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to these rich people. It was all because of Geelan

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Maxwell and her contacts. And where do you think those

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contacts came from? Folks? Her pops all right, And where

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do you think her pops contacts came from? Ah? Well,

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wouldn't it be funny to find out that he was

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part of the intelligence community. Boy, isn't that shocking? They

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were just like partners in business. Janis Bannis Janet Janus Banasiak,

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mister Epstein's house manager, said in a deposition. Mister Epstein's butler,

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Alfredo Rodriguez, described Miss Maxwell in a deposition as the boss. Yeah,

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she was the boss, Okay. Her and Jeffrey Epstein were

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on legal footing. Jeffrey Epstein wasn't bullying her around. Jeffrey

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Epstein wasn't telling her what to do. They were on

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equal footing, and he understood that. He understood that he was,

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you know, at the end of the day, beholden to

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Geelane Maxwell. Almost Miss Maxwell has denied she trafficked girls.

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Neither Miss Maxwell nor her lawyers responded to requests for

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interview interviews for this article. Of course not. They don't

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want to go on record. They know the scope, they

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know the score, they know the deal. They know that

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if they go on record, it's gonna be big trouble

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if Keelane Maxwell comes in, forget it. She's ratting too,

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And right now she's the plumb Her and Prince Andrew

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are the two Plumb prizes, and the heat is certainly on.

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But mister Epstein's accusers contend in court papers that Miss

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Maxwell managed the network of recruiters and helped devise the

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playbook for how to lure young women into mister Epstein's web.

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Recruiters were allegedly told to target young, financially desperate women

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and to promise them help furthering their education and careers.

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These civil complaints said. Virginia Roberts said in a deposition

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that she was sixteen when she met Miss Maxwell and

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was recruited as a massuse. She said she remembered Miss

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Maxwell's sales pitch. If she gave a wealthy man a massage,

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a whole world of opportunity would open up to her.

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If the guy like you, then you know it will

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work out for you, Miss Roberts, It will work out

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for you. Miss Roberts, in a deposition, recalled Miss Maxwell

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telling her you'll travel, you'll make good money, you'll be educated.

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So you think at sixteen years old, Virginia Roberts, who

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she didn't come from money. She wasn't, you know, from

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some rich family or anything like that, and she's offered

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this incredible opportunity. Do you really think that in her

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mind she's thinking that this well spoken British lady who's

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obviously very rich and runs with obviously very rich people.

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Is going to be somebody that's going to abuse her

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or hurt her? Or do you think she's thinking, man,

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this is a great opportunity. I'm gonna make some big money.

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I'm gonna get trained out of be a masseuse, I'll

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get an education. This is my chance. That's exactly what

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she was thinking, Folks. It wasn't like she went into

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this with open eyes. She was a young girl, sixteen

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years old. Think back to when you were sixteen, how

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easily you could have been manipulated into a situation like this.

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Miss Roberts took the job. Soon, she said, she became

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a survivor of Jeffrey Epstein, not only providing sexual favors

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to him, but also to some of his acquaintances, including

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politicians and prominent businessmen. My whole life revolved around just

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pleasing these men and keeping Gulane and Jeffrey happy, she

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said in the deposition. Their whole entire lives revolved around sex.

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And we've heard that from numerous girls at this point,

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numerous girls about how Jeffrey Epstein had to have quote

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unquote massages three or four times a day, how Gilaine

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was also addicted to this sort of lifestyle. Sick, folks,

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We're dealing with some very sick people here, all right.

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Now into the meat of the article. Now we're going

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to talk about the lieutenant. Just below Miss Maxwell in

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the chain of command was Miss Kellen, another high ranking

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employee who has been accused in multiple lawsuits of scheduling

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girls for sex sessions with mister Epstein and his palm

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each mansion. She was called the lieutenant in one lawsuit.

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David Rodgers, mister Epstein's pilot, set in a deposition that

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Miss Kellen was like an assistant to gi Lane. From

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what I have heard and from what people have told

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me who were close to the case, she was being

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groomed for Gelaane's type of position so that she could

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step in and take over if Gelaane had other matters

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at hand. She was the numer the number one underling

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underneath Jeffrey Epstein and Glaine Maxwell. Very important part of

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what was going on here, folks. Sarah Kellen Vickers, who

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now is married to ex NASCAR race car driver Brian Vickers,

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is such a huge part of this story and all

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we had several requests for a profile on her, and

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that's the main catalyst why we're doing this whole entire

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news this, this whole new series here. So we're going

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to make sure that we profile her and remember that

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she is a very going forward. Remember she is a

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very important piece to this puzzle. Miss Kellen kept the

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names and numbers of all the girls who gave mister

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Epstein erotic massages. According to Palm Beach police reports and

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Miss Robson's deposition, she would call them whenever mister Epstein

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was in town, asking the girls if they were ready

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to work. The reports and Miss Robson said, now, remember, folks,

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it's not just a report now or an an anonymous

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source or sources said. Miss Robson is saying this directly.

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Miss Robson is saying that Kellen was surprising, surprise, excuse me, surprising.

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She was providing these young girls for Jeffrey Epstein. She

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was the one making the phone call, she was the

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one bringing them over. She is a co conspirator. How

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is she not being questioned by the FBI right now?

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How hasn't mister Berman come after her with everything he had?

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It makes me question the prosecution. She saw herself as

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the boss, said Spencer T. Coven, a West Palm Beach

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lawyer who represented several accusers in lawsuits. Sarah was really

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running that organization, bringing girls and getting them in and

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out of the Palm Beach home. How much more damning

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does it have to be? How much more damning does

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it have to be for us to see some justice

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in this case, for somebody to show up and arrest

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one of these people. Miss Kellen, who sometimes goes by

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Sarah Kensington or Sarah Vickers, did not respond to requests

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for an interview. Her lawyers also did not respond to

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requests for comment. Multiple girls, multiple girls told Palm Beach

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detectives that when they arrived at mister Epstein's mansion, Miss

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Kellen would escort them upstairs to mister Epstein's bedroom and

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lay out the very lay out the massage table with

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the various oils and lotions were that they were to

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use on him. According to police reports, so this lady,

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who is protected under that draconian disgusting immunity deal, not

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only made the phone calls, not only called the girls

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and rounded the mup for Epstein, but she would set

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the massage table up for him with all the sick,

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disgusting sex toys and lotions and everything that this deviant liked.

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This woman, Sarah Kellen Vickers, needs to be questioned by

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the authorities, and she also needs to be talked about

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more in the media. There needs to be more of

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a focus spent on these so called co conspirators that

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we keep hearing about. The media keeps talking about them,

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but they are not running articles. They're not doing expose

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as they're not having a thirty five or forty minute

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discussion about who these women are and what their roles

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were in this case. This is important stuff, folks. This

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is very important to the case. What this does is

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it shows that this is a criminal enterprise. What this

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shows is that this definitely deserves to be slapped with

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every single rico charge they can imagine, and the whole

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entire house of cards needs to be pulled down around

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their ears. In an interview, Miss Ransom said Miss Kellen

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and Miss Maxwell also gave her tips on how to

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give Epstein erotic massages, including how to rub his feet

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and best satisfy him sexually. It was Geelay and Sarah

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Kellen that showed me how to please Jeffrey. Miss Ransom said,

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the assistance. So that is the beginning of who Sarah

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Kellen Vickers is. Now we did the five fast facts

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on who she is. We have that little bit of

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a profile in this overview of who she is. And

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now going forward in our first our second episode of

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this series, we're going to profile her in a deep

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dive and we're going to do a thirty thirty five

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minute episode just on who Sarah kelln Vickers is. And

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we're going to do one of those for each one

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of these ladies that we talk about in this article.

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Now we've talked about Sarah Kellen Vickers and her role

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and how she was the main lieutenant underneath Gelane Maxwell.

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Now we're going to meet the three assistants. Ms Groff,

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mister Epstein's executive assistant for almost twenty years, was one

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of the possible co conspirators named in the two thousand

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and eight plead deal. Mister Epstein's lawyers worked out with

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the United States Attorney's Office in Miami. Now we talked

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a little bit about Leslie Groff already. We did a

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I don't know, twenty minute episode about her a few

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weeks ago, maybe month, month and a half ago. I

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don't know the exact episode, but we took a little

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bit of a look at who she is, but we

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didn't really get down into the weeds yet. So again,

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just like with Sarah Kellen, we're going to do the

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same thing with miss Groff, and this is just going

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to give you an overview, a basic starting point on

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just exactly who she is. She said in a two

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thousand and five interview with The Times that she answered

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mister Epstein's telephone and managed his schedule, which included meetings

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with prominent scientists, Wall Street executives, foreign dignitaries, and American

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politicians over the years. She said in two thousand and

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five that she formed a special bond with a financier

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aka pedophile, anticipating his needs. I know what he is thinking,

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she said at the time. Again, another one who is very,

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very very knowledgeable as to what went on in Jeffrey

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Epstein's ring. Leslie Groff was another integral part of Jeffrey

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Epstein's operation. She worked with Epstein for such a long

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time and like she says right here, she knew what

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he was thinking. She was so locked in step with

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Epstein and knowing what he wanted that she didn't even

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really have to ask. She just knew what to do.

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And you know how you have that relationship with somebody

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who you've worked with for a long time, you don't

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really even need to discuss things. You both know what

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your duties are, you know what's expected of you, and

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you just do it. And that's the sort of a

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relationship these two had. Jeffrey Epstein relied on Miss Groff

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00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:13,160
for a lot, a whole lot, but Miss Ransom said

474
00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:16,400
in her lawsuit that miss Groff, now fifty three, also

475
00:28:16,599 --> 00:28:19,519
arranged travel and lodging for the seemingly endless stream of

476
00:28:19,559 --> 00:28:23,119
adolescent girls and young women who provided mister Epstein with

477
00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:27,279
erotic massages. I can confirm that as well another you know,

478
00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:29,920
sources have confirmed to me that that was the case,

479
00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:33,960
that these people certainly had knowledge of what was going on,

480
00:28:34,279 --> 00:28:37,519
of the fact that they were booking young girls to

481
00:28:37,559 --> 00:28:39,799
go on these flights in these trips with Jeffrey Epstein.

482
00:28:42,119 --> 00:28:44,799
In a recent interview with The Times, Miss Ransom said

483
00:28:44,839 --> 00:28:49,119
miss Groff communicated directly with her, repeating mister Epstein's promises

484
00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:52,599
to help her obtain a fashion degree. Miss Groff's lawyer,

485
00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:55,279
Michael Backner said his client worked as part of a

486
00:28:55,319 --> 00:28:59,519
professional staff, making appointments, taking messages, and setting up meetings.

487
00:29:00,039 --> 00:29:02,799
At no time during Leslie's employment with Epstein did she

488
00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:06,599
ever engage in any misconduct, and never knowingly made travel

489
00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:11,240
arrangements for anyone under eighteen. Mister Backner said, this is

490
00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:14,160
a great one. At she worked for a professional staff,

491
00:29:14,319 --> 00:29:17,359
a professional staff that included the core four. I guess, huh,

492
00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:25,039
guy Laine Leslie, Kellen, Adriana Ross and a Nadio Marsenkova.

493
00:29:25,119 --> 00:29:27,519
That's the professional staff she worked with. Huh, way to

494
00:29:27,519 --> 00:29:32,759
go a lawyer, You absolute boob, you moron. Miss Ransom

495
00:29:32,839 --> 00:29:35,319
also alleged in her lawsuit that she was instructed by

496
00:29:35,319 --> 00:29:38,240
mister Epstein's associates to go on a diet and to

497
00:29:38,319 --> 00:29:42,160
lose about eleven pounds to maintain her slim figure, and

498
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:45,240
one email exchange reviewed by The Times, Miss Ransom told

499
00:29:45,279 --> 00:29:48,359
Miss Groff she was monitoring her weight for mister Epstein.

500
00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:50,559
Please could you let him know that I am going

501
00:29:50,599 --> 00:29:53,599
now fifty seven kilograms and that everything is going well.

502
00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:56,519
Miss Ransom emailed Miss Groff in two thousand and seven.

503
00:29:57,200 --> 00:29:59,519
The fact that any of these ladies, through their lawyers

504
00:29:59,519 --> 00:30:01,640
would act like they don't know what's going on, that

505
00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:04,480
they had nothing to do with this. It's just it's

506
00:30:04,599 --> 00:30:08,279
offensive at this point. It is absolutely offensive at this point.

507
00:30:08,759 --> 00:30:10,640
If you didn't know what was going on, you would

508
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:12,400
have been the first one to come forward, Miss Groff

509
00:30:12,559 --> 00:30:15,599
and help the FBI. Instead, you're hiding behind that disgusting

510
00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:18,960
ass immunity deal you got. Why don't you come out

511
00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:21,000
from the shadows. Why don't you come out and speak

512
00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:23,119
to reporters. Why don't you come out and talk to me.

513
00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:25,960
I'll gladly have any of you, any of these core

514
00:30:26,079 --> 00:30:28,359
four on the podcast anytime you want to come on

515
00:30:28,519 --> 00:30:31,160
and explain your side of the story instead of skulking

516
00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:33,799
around in the shadows. Come on, let's have a discussion.

517
00:30:33,839 --> 00:30:41,160
Bring your lawyer too. Another of mister Epstein's assistants, Miss Ross,

518
00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:43,640
was also named as a potential co conspirator in the

519
00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:46,799
two thousand and eight plea deal. When Palm Beach police

520
00:30:46,799 --> 00:30:50,039
were investigating mister Epstein around two thousand and five, miss

521
00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:54,480
Ross removed three computers from the Florida mansion. Mister Benassiak,

522
00:30:54,599 --> 00:30:58,400
the house manager, said in a deposition, where are those computers?

523
00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:01,359
Where did they go. Where in the hell did those

524
00:31:01,359 --> 00:31:03,839
computers go and what was on them? And how in

525
00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:07,799
the f did prosecutors and the police let this lady

526
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:12,119
get out with those computers. How were there not around

527
00:31:12,119 --> 00:31:14,400
the clock sur veillance on this man's house. How weren't

528
00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:17,480
those computers taken in a raid? Why was this information

529
00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:20,200
allowed to be taken? And where did it end up?

530
00:31:20,319 --> 00:31:22,559
How has she not been brought in for questioning about that?

531
00:31:25,079 --> 00:31:27,839
The police noted in their reports that the computers, which

532
00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:30,920
they had reason to think might contain photos of naked girls,

533
00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:35,000
were missing when investigators arrived. She show up one day

534
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:37,920
with gentlemen, mister Banasiak said, and she told me that

535
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:40,759
they are moving out those computers. I'd like to know

536
00:31:40,759 --> 00:31:43,960
who gentlemen is. Who is gentlemen? Can we find that out?

537
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:46,720
Who is the gentleman that she showed up with? And

538
00:31:46,799 --> 00:31:50,039
where are these computers? This is very important, folks. This

539
00:31:50,079 --> 00:31:53,079
is another piece of a huge piece of evidence. These

540
00:31:53,079 --> 00:31:57,960
computers need to be found. Ms Ross, who went on

541
00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:00,680
to study accounting and is based in Miami, did not

542
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:07,319
respond to calls or emails seeking comment. The more you do,

543
00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:11,599
the more you make. Miss Marsonkova a formal model and

544
00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:14,680
pilot had come under police scrutiny. In Palm Beach in

545
00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:18,200
two thousand and five, a sixteen year old told detective

546
00:32:18,279 --> 00:32:21,680
she was giving mister Epstein a massage when Miss Marsonkova

547
00:32:21,799 --> 00:32:25,079
entered the room naked. According to Palm Beach police reports,

548
00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:28,640
mister Epstein then told the girls then told the girl

549
00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:30,960
she could make an extra two hundred dollars if she

550
00:32:31,039 --> 00:32:35,880
performed oral sex on Miss Marsonkova, and the girl reluctantly agreed.

551
00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:40,160
The report said, chilling. This is chilling stuff here and again,

552
00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:44,839
Miss marson Kova is supposedly somebody that Jeffrey Epstein bought

553
00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:47,640
when she was a youth herself. So this is another

554
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:51,559
one of those cases where I believe marson Kova deserves punishment,

555
00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:55,119
but to what degree. I'm torn. She has caused a

556
00:32:55,119 --> 00:32:57,440
lot of damage to a lot of young ladies, but

557
00:32:57,720 --> 00:33:00,880
she herself suffered at the hands of Geffrey Epstein and

558
00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:04,319
she was abused as well. So again I asked the audience,

559
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:09,960
what do you think should her punishment be. The encounter

560
00:33:10,119 --> 00:33:12,960
was the first of many sexual trysts. The teenager told

561
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:16,039
the police she was coerced into having with both both

562
00:33:16,079 --> 00:33:19,920
Miss Marsonkova and mister Epstein at his Palm Beach mansion,

563
00:33:20,279 --> 00:33:24,559
according to police incident reports. Police records also show that

564
00:33:24,599 --> 00:33:28,839
investigators had indications that Miss Marsonkova might have been underage

565
00:33:28,839 --> 00:33:33,240
herself when she became involved with mister Epstein. That's something

566
00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:35,480
that we have to really get to the bottom of.

567
00:33:35,559 --> 00:33:37,279
We have to know for a fact one way or

568
00:33:37,279 --> 00:33:40,640
the other, because it's crucial when it comes time for punishment.

569
00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:42,559
In my opinion, I think that that has to be

570
00:33:42,599 --> 00:33:45,480
taken into account. I know that that makes me seem

571
00:33:45,519 --> 00:33:48,559
like kind of a softy, But if she was abused

572
00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:52,319
by Epstein herself. We know about the Stockholm syndrome and

573
00:33:52,359 --> 00:33:56,000
we know about the psychological effects it takes on people.

574
00:33:56,359 --> 00:33:58,799
And obviously I'm not a doctor or a psychologist, so

575
00:33:58,839 --> 00:34:01,480
I'm not qualified to real jump in and act like

576
00:34:01,559 --> 00:34:05,359
I am. But the compassion in me says that somebody

577
00:34:05,359 --> 00:34:08,000
who has abused herself and bought from her parents in

578
00:34:08,039 --> 00:34:10,320
a foreign country and brought here to be a sex

579
00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:12,760
slave has to be looked at in a different light

580
00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:16,159
than say, somebody like Sarah Kellen Vickers, who chose to

581
00:34:16,199 --> 00:34:21,199
be involved in this. Miss Marsonkova who later used the

582
00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:25,760
last name Marcinka. Marchenko declined to answer questions about mister

583
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:28,840
Epstein's alleged abuse of girls when she was deposed in

584
00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:32,800
a lawsuit invoking the Fifth Amendment reached by The Times.

585
00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:38,440
Miss Marsenkova's lawyers, Erica T. Dubnow and Aaron miss Luik, said,

586
00:34:38,559 --> 00:34:42,159
like other victims, Nadia Marsinko is and has been severely

587
00:34:42,199 --> 00:34:45,639
traumatized and needs time to process and make sense of

588
00:34:45,639 --> 00:34:48,239
what she has been through before she is able to

589
00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:54,079
speak out. Prosecutors may face thorny legal legal issues in

590
00:34:54,159 --> 00:34:57,519
deciding whether to charge some of mister Epstein's associates, like

591
00:34:57,599 --> 00:35:01,280
Miss Robson and Miss marson Kova, who may have initially

592
00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:05,039
been victims themselves. Right again, it's a lot of legal

593
00:35:05,079 --> 00:35:08,199
gray area and moral gray area in my opinion as well,

594
00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:10,920
And I know some people will disagree with me with that,

595
00:35:11,039 --> 00:35:13,760
and that's totally fine. I'm not saying you're wrong. I'm

596
00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:17,280
not saying that these people should get off without any

597
00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:20,039
sort of punishment, but I believe the punishment should be

598
00:35:20,119 --> 00:35:24,199
much more severe for people like Leslie Groff or Adriana

599
00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:28,119
Ross or Sarah Kellen Vickers than it is from Marsenkova,

600
00:35:28,639 --> 00:35:31,440
and that's just where I'm at right now. But as

601
00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:34,599
we get more information, obviously, if we get more you know,

602
00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:39,880
evidence pointing in other directions, then obviously you all know

603
00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:42,320
how I feel about this case. I will go wherever

604
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:45,239
the evidence leads us. I don't have a dog in

605
00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:48,960
this fight. I'm not carrying water for any side politically.

606
00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:52,320
In fact, I really don't care about politics anymore. Going

607
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:55,360
into this, I was really engaged politically. I was involved in,

608
00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:58,800
you know, following everything. But since I've started covering this

609
00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:02,400
Jeffrey Epstein case October, I don't even care about the

610
00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:05,840
stupid tribalism that we see on a regular basis in America.

611
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:08,840
It doesn't I don't care anymore. It's all political noise.

612
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:12,000
I want justice and I want action in real life

613
00:36:12,039 --> 00:36:15,360
cases that truly matter to the American people. That's what

614
00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:17,880
I want, and neither side wants to do it. Neither

615
00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:21,639
side wants to come forward and lead. Everybody wants to squabble,

616
00:36:21,639 --> 00:36:24,079
and everybody wants to throw blame and hate each other.

617
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:29,320
And meanwhile, we have serious issues that are going unattended.

618
00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:36,719
Determine determining criminal liability is always a complex decision if

619
00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:39,639
a person has been exploited for sex then used as

620
00:36:39,639 --> 00:36:42,920
a pawn to recruit others, said Lauren Hirsch, a former

621
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:47,079
sex trafficking prosecutor in Brooklyn who now leads World Without

622
00:36:47,079 --> 00:36:51,440
Exploitation and Anti Trafficking Organization. Well, she would know way

623
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:54,119
better than me, right, So I guess we should refer

624
00:36:54,199 --> 00:36:56,280
to what miss Lauren Hirsch has to say here and

625
00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:59,880
when it comes to this situation with Mars and Co

626
00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:04,000
and Robson, but for their own exploitation, they wouldn't do that,

627
00:37:04,079 --> 00:37:08,039
she said. It becomes really really tricky. Miss Robson, a

628
00:37:08,079 --> 00:37:11,280
former stripper and olive garden worker, was not among the

629
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:14,519
four women given immunity in the Florida plea agreement, but

630
00:37:14,639 --> 00:37:18,320
her role in mister Epstein's operation was significant enough that

631
00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:21,440
Palm Beach police detectives had planned to charge her more

632
00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:24,480
than a decade ago, according to an affid David By,

633
00:37:24,519 --> 00:37:28,320
the lead detective in Palm Beach. She was also sued twice,

634
00:37:28,639 --> 00:37:32,039
and she described her role in mister Epstein's operation in

635
00:37:32,079 --> 00:37:36,760
a deposition. When mister Epstein would fly into Florida, Miss

636
00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:39,360
Robson said she would get a call on her cell

637
00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:43,519
phone from miss Kellen. That establishes the criminal conspiracy, right there, folks,

638
00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:48,079
criminal conspiracy. Two or more people intent on committing a crime.

639
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:52,400
Epstein Kellen two people right there, Ad Robson, that's a third.

640
00:37:52,599 --> 00:37:54,599
Can we get some som rico? Can we get some

641
00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:57,440
real punishment here? Of folks? Can we get some justice?

642
00:37:59,119 --> 00:38:01,559
Who would tell her how much many massages the financier

643
00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:05,039
pedophile needed for the upcoming visit. The two of them

644
00:38:05,079 --> 00:38:08,239
would hammer out logistics. I would have a girl that

645
00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:11,119
would be available for those dates and times, Miss Robson said.

646
00:38:11,119 --> 00:38:14,960
Into two thousand and nine deposition, Miss Robson told lawyers

647
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:17,440
she made two hundred dollars for every high school girl

648
00:38:17,519 --> 00:38:20,480
she brought to the Palm Beach mansion. She recruited the

649
00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:23,280
girls from her high school, including one who was fourteen

650
00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:26,360
when she brought a twenty three year old. Mister Epstein

651
00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:29,320
balked too old. He told her, well, we all know

652
00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:32,800
that they have to be young. What did Keelane say?

653
00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:36,440
She likes the new bile? New bile is the exact

654
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:40,159
word she used. Imagine to be that sick, that twisted

655
00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:44,519
and that callous that you're driving around looking for girls

656
00:38:44,559 --> 00:38:47,400
that are new bile, So no wonder twenty three was

657
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:51,639
much too old for mister Epstein. The girls knew what

658
00:38:51,679 --> 00:38:54,119
they were getting into. Miss Robson said the rules were

659
00:38:54,199 --> 00:38:57,639
unspoken but understood. The more you do, the more you make.

660
00:38:57,679 --> 00:39:01,079
Miss Robson said in the deposition, if you topless, if

661
00:39:01,079 --> 00:39:03,800
you were working in your thong, you're bra you're going

662
00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:06,280
to make more than one hundred Oh wow, aren't you

663
00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:08,960
big spenders? Aren't you just making it rain on? People?

664
00:39:09,599 --> 00:39:12,039
Come and get sexually abused for two hundred bucks. It's

665
00:39:12,079 --> 00:39:15,079
a great deal. You know what you're getting into. Fourteen

666
00:39:15,159 --> 00:39:20,559
years old. Absolute disgusting. It's absolutely disgusting to think that

667
00:39:20,639 --> 00:39:22,920
this went on for so long with so many people

668
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:25,880
turning a blind eye, so many people in polite, elite

669
00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:30,400
society turning a blind eye to what everybody knows was

670
00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:37,760
an obvious situation. Reached by The Times, miss Robson said,

671
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:40,440
I have nothing to say. I would appreciate if I

672
00:39:40,519 --> 00:39:47,000
was not contacted. Douglas Macintosh, a lawyer who represented her

673
00:39:47,119 --> 00:39:49,800
in a civil case in Florida, called Miss Robson a

674
00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:52,920
lovely young lady, but declined to answer questions about her

675
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:59,840
involvement with mister Epstein. In her deposition, Miss Robson said

676
00:39:59,840 --> 00:40:03,400
that she had debated suing mister Epstein but decided against it.

677
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:06,079
I just thought it was the easy way out, she said,

678
00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:08,480
and then I decided, this is my life and I

679
00:40:08,559 --> 00:40:11,199
have to take responsibility for my own actions because I

680
00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:15,159
did volunteer. Well, that's noble and all, but you have

681
00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:18,679
to face some consequences here, Miss Robson, just like missus Marsonkova.

682
00:40:19,039 --> 00:40:23,239
The question is what are those consequences. That's where we

683
00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:25,480
get into the slippery slope. That's where we get into

684
00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:28,440
an area where I'm certainly not qualified to even have

685
00:40:28,519 --> 00:40:31,760
an opinion in my honestly, because I don't really know.

686
00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:34,599
I'm really torn about it. It's one of those really

687
00:40:34,639 --> 00:40:37,440
hard things that I really have to think long and

688
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:40,760
hard on to give you an answer one way or

689
00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:42,360
the other. If I was sitting on a jerry, I

690
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:44,239
don't know how I know. I'd have to listen to

691
00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:47,519
all of the evidence, and I'd have to really really

692
00:40:47,559 --> 00:40:50,559
think long and hard about how I would punish someone

693
00:40:50,599 --> 00:40:52,800
who has been bought from a separate from a different

694
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:55,960
country from their parents and brought here and groomed for

695
00:40:56,039 --> 00:41:01,480
this role. It's just one of those really slippery slopes. So, folks,

696
00:41:01,519 --> 00:41:07,239
that concludes episode one of our Closer Look Jeffrey Epstein's

697
00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:12,119
Core four series. We're gonna have four more episodes in

698
00:41:12,159 --> 00:41:15,679
this series, and the first episode is going to deal

699
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:19,960
with Sarah Kellen Vickers, and that was going to be

700
00:41:20,039 --> 00:41:23,960
today's episode, but unfortunately I decided that well I guess

701
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:26,639
not unfortunately it's the wrong word, but I decided that

702
00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:31,039
the overview episode was more important for context. So what

703
00:41:31,079 --> 00:41:35,199
we're going to do is the Sarah Kellen Vickers episode

704
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:40,119
will be on Saturday. Now, I would do it on Friday,

705
00:41:40,159 --> 00:41:44,719
but Friday is my fortieth birthday, so I'll be predisposed

706
00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:47,239
on that day hanging out with my family and you know,

707
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:49,920
just just relaxing a little bit. I'll have the usual

708
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out for the podcast, the usual two episodes, but the

709
00:41:54,199 --> 00:41:58,079
second episode of this series will not be out until Saturday,

710
00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:02,280
and that episode will be all about Sarah Kellen Vickers,

711
00:42:02,519 --> 00:42:05,280
and we'll pick up right where we left off here

712
00:42:05,639 --> 00:42:09,679
in her story. So now everyone who just started listening

713
00:42:09,719 --> 00:42:12,800
to the podcast, and everybody even who has been listening,

714
00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:15,559
you got a refresher course and all of the new

715
00:42:15,639 --> 00:42:19,480
folks are listening, got an idea of what exactly we're

716
00:42:19,519 --> 00:42:22,440
talking about. When we meet, we talk about the four horsemen,

717
00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:25,440
I mean the four of the core four. So now

718
00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:28,519
that we're all up to date moving forward, nobody will

719
00:42:28,559 --> 00:42:32,000
have any problems understanding who these ladies are as we

720
00:42:32,079 --> 00:42:35,719
move the series forward. All right, folks, if you'd like

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to contact me, you can do that at Bobby Kapuci

722
00:42:38,159 --> 00:42:41,400
at ProtonMail dot com. That's bo b b Y c

723
00:42:41,559 --> 00:42:45,239
ap u Cci at ProtonMail dot com. If you would

724
00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:47,000
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725
00:42:47,119 --> 00:42:53,280
at Bobby Underscore c ap u Cci. What's up, everyone,

726
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:57,559
and welcome back to the Epstein Chronicles. One of the

727
00:42:57,599 --> 00:43:01,320
most confounding questions when it comes to Jeffrey Epstein and

728
00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:04,840
his criminal enterprise is how is it that Glene Maxwell

729
00:43:05,119 --> 00:43:08,519
is the only one that's sitting in jail? Now, don't

730
00:43:08,519 --> 00:43:11,880
get it twisted. She's exactly where she belongs. But there's

731
00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:14,519
a lot of other people that belong in jail cells

732
00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:16,920
as well, and you don't have to look far to

733
00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:22,159
find those names. Leslie Groff, Adrianna Ross, Sarah kelln Vickers,

734
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:25,719
now Nadia marson Kova. That's a special case. I've talked

735
00:43:25,719 --> 00:43:28,079
about her at length, and the fact that she was

736
00:43:28,119 --> 00:43:31,880
purchased by Jeffrey Epstein allegedly when she was a child

737
00:43:32,159 --> 00:43:35,360
and groomed into that role. That's a whole last different matter.

738
00:43:35,719 --> 00:43:39,239
Now the other three, Adriana Ross, Leslie Groff and Sarah

739
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:42,079
Kellen Vickers, they all should be brought in, They should

740
00:43:42,079 --> 00:43:45,039
all be deposed, and there's certainly enough evidence here to

741
00:43:45,119 --> 00:43:47,960
build a case. The question is why has no case

742
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:51,039
been built? And we've heard for years and years about

743
00:43:51,159 --> 00:43:54,719
the co conspirators and how the case wasn't over yet. Well,

744
00:43:54,840 --> 00:43:57,920
sure looks over to me. Has there been any sort

745
00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:01,639
of movement? Has anyone been brought in? And let's not

746
00:44:01,679 --> 00:44:05,039
act like these core documents are giving us new information.

747
00:44:05,559 --> 00:44:08,519
It's just reaffirming the stuff that we knew previously. I mean,

748
00:44:08,599 --> 00:44:12,960
Judge Nathan during the Maxwell trial called Sarah Kelln Vickers

749
00:44:13,239 --> 00:44:16,440
part of the criminal operation. Is that not enough to

750
00:44:16,599 --> 00:44:19,039
get something kicked off here and have her brought in

751
00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:22,599
at the very least, have her brought in, put her

752
00:44:22,639 --> 00:44:25,119
under oath and let's see what comes of it. But

753
00:44:25,199 --> 00:44:27,800
we haven't even seen that yet. So when they talk

754
00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:31,119
about their robust investigation behind the scenes. I have to

755
00:44:31,159 --> 00:44:34,960
say that it's bullshit. Today's article is from the Dailymail

756
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:38,840
dot Com and the headline as new documents uncovered details

757
00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:42,519
about sex trafficking conspiracy. Why weren't these four women in

758
00:44:42,559 --> 00:44:45,760
the dock with Glaine for also enabling Epstein? And that's

759
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:48,280
the million dollar question, isn't it. How is it that

760
00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:52,000
these other co conspirators get off and Gleann Maxwell's the

761
00:44:52,039 --> 00:44:54,800
only one sitting in a jail cell. Now, don't get

762
00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:57,400
it twisted. Like I said, Maxwell definitely belongs in a

763
00:44:57,440 --> 00:45:01,519
jail cell. But what about the other co conspirators. This

764
00:45:01,679 --> 00:45:05,519
article was authored by Stephen Wright. One evening in twenty

765
00:45:05,599 --> 00:45:07,880
twenty one, I knocked on the door of a smart

766
00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:11,360
detached house in a leafy suburb of West ponm Beach, Florida.

767
00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:15,119
The woman who answered was sixty year old called Dorothy.

768
00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:19,880
She was babysitting her grandchildren and her daughter, Carolyn Andreano

769
00:45:20,159 --> 00:45:23,199
on the property. I dearly wanted to speak to Carolyn.

770
00:45:23,599 --> 00:45:26,320
I knew that she had an explosive, shocking, poignant story

771
00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:29,639
to tell. A few weeks later, I had heard her

772
00:45:29,719 --> 00:45:33,039
give her harrowing snapshot of her traumatic life from the

773
00:45:33,079 --> 00:45:36,760
witness box of a Manhattan courthouse, where she testified against

774
00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:41,760
her sex abuser, the fallen British socialite Gallinne Maxwell. Dorothy

775
00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:45,480
and I immediately hit it off. We both passionately believed

776
00:45:45,639 --> 00:45:49,400
that the American legal and political establishment had engaged in

777
00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:53,440
a cynical cover up to protect powerful, influential, and often

778
00:45:53,519 --> 00:45:57,440
wealthy figures linked to Jeffrey Epstein's scandal. And I don't

779
00:45:57,440 --> 00:46:01,360
think anyone who's followed along thinks any different. Just take

780
00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:03,000
a look. All you have to do is look at

781
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:05,239
the receipts that have been provided, Look at all the

782
00:46:05,239 --> 00:46:07,239
people who have been caught up, look at all the

783
00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:10,239
people who enabled this sick fuck. And we're talking about

784
00:46:10,239 --> 00:46:15,280
a criminal conspiracy that spanned continence. Over the course of

785
00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:18,599
three hours, the straight talking New Yorker explained what it

786
00:46:18,679 --> 00:46:21,800
was like to be the mother of an Epstein Maxwell victim,

787
00:46:22,079 --> 00:46:24,880
and years earlier, she had thought her fourteen year old

788
00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:27,840
daughter was topping up her pocket money by cleaning a

789
00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:30,440
house for a wealthy man who lived in a mansion

790
00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:34,159
in Palm Beach. In reality, Carolyn was being paid three

791
00:46:34,239 --> 00:46:37,760
hundred dollars out of time to give Epstein sexualized massages,

792
00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:40,880
while similar sums were offered for her to find other

793
00:46:41,159 --> 00:46:44,840
underage girls for the same perverted purpose. The money was

794
00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:48,440
used to feed Carolyn's drug habit, And unfortunately, that's a

795
00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:51,159
tale that's all too common when you have somebody who

796
00:46:51,199 --> 00:46:54,519
has suffered sexual abuse or violence, A lot of times

797
00:46:54,559 --> 00:46:57,119
they turned to drugs to try to escape their reality,

798
00:46:57,360 --> 00:47:00,639
and as we all know, that leads to disaster. That

799
00:47:00,719 --> 00:47:03,519
meeting with Dorothy paved the way for a world exclusive

800
00:47:03,559 --> 00:47:08,199
mail interview with Carolyn a week later. Tragically, however, that

801
00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:11,800
young woman's life ended far too soon, tormented by her

802
00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:15,960
childhood experiences at the hands of Epstein and Maxwell. Carolyn,

803
00:47:16,199 --> 00:47:19,360
a striking five foot nine inch larger than live character

804
00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:23,000
with the mane of dyed red curls, died of an

805
00:47:23,039 --> 00:47:26,519
overdose in Florida in a hotel room last May. She

806
00:47:26,679 --> 00:47:29,639
was just thirty six and left behind five children and

807
00:47:29,679 --> 00:47:32,880
her husband John. This week, memories of my twenty twenty

808
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:36,239
one meeting with Dorothy came flooding back after the names

809
00:47:36,280 --> 00:47:39,039
of dozens of people connected to Epstein were made public

810
00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:43,719
in three large releases in court documents. They include Prince Andrew,

811
00:47:44,039 --> 00:47:47,440
former US President Bill Clinton, who was alleged by Epstein

812
00:47:47,519 --> 00:47:50,079
to like them young, and a host of other famous

813
00:47:50,199 --> 00:47:55,280
or infamous individuals, including the late pedophile of pop Michael Jackson,

814
00:47:55,480 --> 00:47:59,039
the celebrity magician David Copperfield, and even the famed British

815
00:47:59,039 --> 00:48:03,000
physicist step Even Hawking. The sheer scale of the releases,

816
00:48:03,239 --> 00:48:06,840
many hundreds of pages, made me reflect on a simple question,

817
00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:10,159
how can it be in a case so vast which

818
00:48:10,199 --> 00:48:13,360
saw the organized sex trafficking of scores of miners and

819
00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:16,679
young women, only one person, Glenn Maxwell, is now in

820
00:48:16,679 --> 00:48:20,760
prison And that is a legit gripe because while Maxwell

821
00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:22,920
certainly deserves to be there, there are a lot of

822
00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:26,039
other people who deserve to be there too, And for

823
00:48:26,119 --> 00:48:28,920
my money, we should start with the core four now,

824
00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:31,920
marson Kova, Like I said earlier, that's a special case.

825
00:48:32,199 --> 00:48:34,880
But the other three forget it. I have no empathy

826
00:48:34,920 --> 00:48:37,639
for any of them. Grown ass women knew exactly what

827
00:48:37,679 --> 00:48:40,840
they were doing, getting rich while they were helping Jeffrey

828
00:48:40,840 --> 00:48:44,280
Epstein abuse little girls. I mean, how much more clear

829
00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:46,960
could it be? Yet these women are out there running

830
00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:49,840
around free living the high life. In twenty twenty one,

831
00:48:50,079 --> 00:48:54,000
Maxwell was convicted unanimously of five of the six charges

832
00:48:54,039 --> 00:48:57,280
against her. Four of the guilty verdicts were underpinned by

833
00:48:57,360 --> 00:49:01,679
Carolyn's allegations. The most serious offense, sex trafficking of a minor,

834
00:49:02,039 --> 00:49:05,519
related to Carolyn's case alone and carried a maximum forty

835
00:49:05,599 --> 00:49:09,079
year jail term. Having sat through weeks of evidence at

836
00:49:09,119 --> 00:49:11,880
Maxwell's trial, I had no doubt that she deserved to

837
00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:14,320
be sent to jail for a long time, and I

838
00:49:14,440 --> 00:49:17,599
share that sentiment. There is no doubt that Maxwell is

839
00:49:17,679 --> 00:49:21,760
exactly where she belongs. She played her a part. She wasn't,

840
00:49:21,880 --> 00:49:24,559
you know, a shrinking violet. She wasn't along for the ride.

841
00:49:24,639 --> 00:49:26,840
She was a key cog in the machine. And without

842
00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:30,480
Glenn Maxwell, this abuse never takes place. But just giving

843
00:49:30,559 --> 00:49:33,480
us Maxwell is not enough. There were other people involved

844
00:49:33,639 --> 00:49:36,960
and they need to be held to account too. It

845
00:49:37,039 --> 00:49:39,199
was clear that she had lost her moral compass. The

846
00:49:39,280 --> 00:49:43,000
case against her was overwhelming, while her refusal to give

847
00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:45,800
evidence at trial seemed to me a mark of both

848
00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:48,880
her cowardice and her guilt. Look, when you show up

849
00:49:48,920 --> 00:49:51,199
to trial and you show up with nothing in your hands,

850
00:49:51,320 --> 00:49:53,719
you're in big trouble. You might as well just plead guilty.

851
00:49:54,679 --> 00:49:56,960
The burden is on the state, But that doesn't mean

852
00:49:57,159 --> 00:49:59,320
you don't have to prove your bullshit. You can't just

853
00:49:59,320 --> 00:50:01,920
show up there claims and be like, all right, that's

854
00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:04,280
the end of it. I'm heading home. You better be

855
00:50:04,280 --> 00:50:07,800
able to back that shit up and glay. Maxwell, besides

856
00:50:08,079 --> 00:50:13,639
loopholes and technicalities, had zero strategy. Nevertheless, the justice system

857
00:50:13,800 --> 00:50:17,760
only works when it's fair, and my overriding feeling at

858
00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:20,159
the end of the trial was that Maxwell should not

859
00:50:20,199 --> 00:50:23,320
have been the sole person to face justice, that others

860
00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:26,719
had got away with it. What about the drivers, pilots,

861
00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:31,039
domestic staff, and crucially young women who witness suspicious activity

862
00:50:31,199 --> 00:50:35,360
by Epstein and Maxwell or actively recruited girls to be abused.

863
00:50:36,039 --> 00:50:38,920
What was found on all the computers and security video

864
00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:43,280
sees from Epstein's homes. What powerful individuals knew of or

865
00:50:43,320 --> 00:50:47,079
perhaps even shared in his crimes. There are so many

866
00:50:47,280 --> 00:50:50,280
unanswered questions, and that's why, after all these years, we're

867
00:50:50,320 --> 00:50:54,320
still here asking those very same questions, and unfortunately we

868
00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:56,920
still have no answers. The good news is me and

869
00:50:56,960 --> 00:51:00,280
my fat mouth plan on asking these questions and until

870
00:51:00,320 --> 00:51:03,199
we get some answers. Detectives are supposed to go where

871
00:51:03,280 --> 00:51:05,719
the evidence takes them, but it would seem that after

872
00:51:05,760 --> 00:51:09,239
allowing Epstein to chieve justice twice, first in a scandalous

873
00:51:09,280 --> 00:51:12,480
plea bargain he struck with prosecutors in two thousand and eight,

874
00:51:12,840 --> 00:51:17,000
and then by apparently committing suicide in prison in twenty nineteen,

875
00:51:17,400 --> 00:51:20,880
the US authorities seem happy to have nailed Maxwell, have

876
00:51:21,000 --> 00:51:24,360
they turned the blind eye to the activities of other offenders.

877
00:51:25,239 --> 00:51:28,880
For example, allegations against a number of women suspected of

878
00:51:28,920 --> 00:51:32,239
sex trafficking for Epstein have been allowed to wither on

879
00:51:32,280 --> 00:51:36,360
the vine. Namely, in the wake of Maxwell's conviction, prosecutors

880
00:51:36,559 --> 00:51:40,119
have faced calls to bring charges against four women previously

881
00:51:40,159 --> 00:51:44,119
granted immunity from prosecution. Those are the women that I

882
00:51:44,159 --> 00:51:47,000
have dubbed the core four. And these were the women

883
00:51:47,199 --> 00:51:50,159
that made the whole entire thing move for Jeffrey Epstein.

884
00:51:50,480 --> 00:51:53,079
Without these women, no way it would happen. And that

885
00:51:53,119 --> 00:51:56,239
includes Maxwell. She was the boss. Look at it like

886
00:51:56,320 --> 00:52:00,400
the mafia. You have Jeffrey Epstein, he's the don, maxwells

887
00:52:00,840 --> 00:52:04,239
then all of these lieutenants, they're the capos. And if

888
00:52:04,239 --> 00:52:06,880
this was the mafia, well everybody would have went to jail.

889
00:52:07,199 --> 00:52:11,360
How come here only Maxwell went to jail. They include

890
00:52:11,440 --> 00:52:14,800
Sarah Kellen personal assistant to Maxwell and Epstein. She has

891
00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:18,719
been dubbed Epstein's lieutenant for allegedly recruiting and booking girls

892
00:52:18,960 --> 00:52:22,840
for his massages. During Maxwell's trial, Kellen's name came up

893
00:52:23,119 --> 00:52:25,920
almost as much as the defendants. And this is something

894
00:52:25,960 --> 00:52:29,519
I've been yelling about from mountaintops for years. Sarah Kellen

895
00:52:29,599 --> 00:52:33,519
Vickers was directly named in the courtroom by the judge.

896
00:52:33,719 --> 00:52:36,119
How is it that her door hasn't been kicked in yet?

897
00:52:36,440 --> 00:52:39,920
Carolyn Andreano claimed that for the first year or two

898
00:52:40,159 --> 00:52:43,639
after she met Maxwell, aged fourteen, the latter called her

899
00:52:43,639 --> 00:52:46,840
to schedule massages for Epstein. After that it was miss

900
00:52:46,920 --> 00:52:50,920
Kellen who called her Sarah Ransom. Another victim told The

901
00:52:50,960 --> 00:52:53,719
New York Times it was Golaine and Sarah Kellen that

902
00:52:53,880 --> 00:52:57,159
showed me how to please Jeffrey. Kellen has said, I've

903
00:52:57,159 --> 00:52:59,360
been made out to be such a monster, but it's

904
00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:02,039
not true. I was raped and abused weekly. So if

905
00:53:02,039 --> 00:53:04,440
that's the case, how come you plead the fifth When

906
00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:06,400
he got arrested the first time. You could have sent

907
00:53:06,480 --> 00:53:08,800
him to prison forever. If that was the case, and

908
00:53:08,880 --> 00:53:11,599
he truly did abuse you, you could have sent him

909
00:53:11,639 --> 00:53:14,559
to jail prison for the rest of his life. Instead,

910
00:53:14,719 --> 00:53:17,280
what did you do? You pleaded the fifth? Right, Oh,

911
00:53:17,280 --> 00:53:19,440
I'm going to plead the fifth. I'm gonna be protected

912
00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:22,559
by this NPA, so go get stuffed. I don't believe

913
00:53:22,559 --> 00:53:25,079
for a minute that Sarah Kelln Vickers was some kind

914
00:53:25,159 --> 00:53:27,880
of abused girl here. I believe that Sarah Kelln Vickers

915
00:53:28,119 --> 00:53:31,880
was doing the abusing. A second young woman who has

916
00:53:31,880 --> 00:53:34,440
been under close scrutiny in the wake of the release

917
00:53:34,480 --> 00:53:38,320
of the latest Epstein documents is Adriana Ross, a former

918
00:53:38,480 --> 00:53:42,239
Polish model for the Elite Agency who allegedly helped to

919
00:53:42,360 --> 00:53:46,159
organize the pedophile's daily massages. She moved to the US

920
00:53:46,440 --> 00:53:48,920
in two thousand and two and worked at his mansion

921
00:53:48,920 --> 00:53:52,280
in Palm Beach, Florida, flying frequently on his private jet

922
00:53:52,519 --> 00:53:56,719
nicknamed the Lolita Express, including with Clinton. Oh, good old

923
00:53:56,719 --> 00:54:00,320
Billy Boy. During a civil deposition in twenty ten, she

924
00:54:00,519 --> 00:54:03,880
was asked, has Prince Andrew ever been involved with underage

925
00:54:03,880 --> 00:54:06,800
minor females to your knowledge? Have you ever met him?

926
00:54:07,079 --> 00:54:10,840
Have you flown on Epstein's plane with Andrew? She declined

927
00:54:10,840 --> 00:54:14,679
to comment. So again, if you really were in fear

928
00:54:14,679 --> 00:54:17,519
of your life, you were being abused, and the government

929
00:54:17,599 --> 00:54:20,639
had this dude in the crossairs. Finally, why didn't you

930
00:54:20,679 --> 00:54:24,199
step forward? Why didn't you help move things along? Now

931
00:54:24,239 --> 00:54:26,199
all of a sudden that you're in the spotlight for

932
00:54:26,320 --> 00:54:28,440
being one of the sick foxs who was raping people.

933
00:54:28,679 --> 00:54:31,280
Now all of a sudden, you're a victim too. We're

934
00:54:31,320 --> 00:54:34,400
not buying it. Save that shit for somebody else. The

935
00:54:34,480 --> 00:54:37,760
third woman who has been under suspicion is Nadia marson Kova,

936
00:54:38,440 --> 00:54:41,559
according to police documents from two thousand and five Palm

937
00:54:41,559 --> 00:54:45,119
Beach inquiry and d Apstein, the shame financier once bragged

938
00:54:45,400 --> 00:54:47,360
she was his sex slave and he had bought her

939
00:54:47,360 --> 00:54:51,800
from her family in the former Yugoslavia when she was fifteen. Now, look,

940
00:54:51,880 --> 00:54:55,840
this is serious business, and marson Kova, I don't think

941
00:54:55,880 --> 00:54:58,000
can be put on the same level as the other women.

942
00:54:58,760 --> 00:55:01,000
She was bought at fifteen years. You want to talk

943
00:55:01,000 --> 00:55:04,280
about Stockholm syndrome, you want to talk about grooming, it's

944
00:55:04,320 --> 00:55:06,599
like some fucking Hitler youth type shit. You get a

945
00:55:06,679 --> 00:55:09,639
kid this age, you normalize all this. Then by the

946
00:55:09,639 --> 00:55:13,360
time she's of age, this is her normal life. So

947
00:55:13,519 --> 00:55:15,920
when we talk about Nadia marson Kova, I think we

948
00:55:16,000 --> 00:55:18,159
have to be very very careful putting her in the

949
00:55:18,159 --> 00:55:22,239
same category as the other three. Miss Marsonkova is alleged

950
00:55:22,280 --> 00:55:26,119
to have taken part in sexual encounters with underage girls.

951
00:55:27,079 --> 00:55:29,960
She visited him sixty seven times in prison while he

952
00:55:30,039 --> 00:55:32,559
was serving thirteen months in jail in two thousand and

953
00:55:32,639 --> 00:55:36,159
eight for having sex with children. Her lawyers insist she

954
00:55:36,239 --> 00:55:39,760
was a victim and not an abuser, and I have

955
00:55:39,800 --> 00:55:43,000
to say I agree with them. Now she has to

956
00:55:43,159 --> 00:55:45,559
face the music, right, she has to come forward, and

957
00:55:45,599 --> 00:55:48,880
she has to talk about everything she knows. But as

958
00:55:48,920 --> 00:55:52,360
far as punishment, I would think, with her special circumstances

959
00:55:52,599 --> 00:55:55,280
that that would be something that the state or the

960
00:55:55,320 --> 00:55:59,719
federal government would take into consideration. Leslie Groff is the

961
00:55:59,719 --> 00:56:02,840
fourth woman who may have further questions to answer. She

962
00:56:02,960 --> 00:56:06,519
is said to have been Epstein's executive assistant for twenty years.

963
00:56:06,880 --> 00:56:09,679
In two thousand and five, she boasted that she had

964
00:56:09,719 --> 00:56:12,480
such a tight bond with her boss that I know

965
00:56:12,519 --> 00:56:16,000
what he is thinking. Epstein's victims have described her as

966
00:56:16,039 --> 00:56:18,920
one of his schedulers based at his seventy five million

967
00:56:18,960 --> 00:56:23,599
dollar New York home. One such victim, Jennifer Areos, claims

968
00:56:23,639 --> 00:56:27,280
that she was fourteen when Epstein began abusing and raping her,

969
00:56:27,559 --> 00:56:31,079
and that miss Groff was the chief scheduler of her massages.

970
00:56:31,760 --> 00:56:35,280
Two years ago, ms Groff, then fifty five, was living

971
00:56:35,559 --> 00:56:38,519
in a two point seven million dollar house in Connecticut

972
00:56:38,679 --> 00:56:42,039
with her husband and children. Her lawyers said she had

973
00:56:42,039 --> 00:56:45,400
been under investigation by prosecutors for the past two years,

974
00:56:45,599 --> 00:56:47,519
but had been told that they had no plans to

975
00:56:47,599 --> 00:56:50,840
charge her. Can you imagine how in the hell is

976
00:56:50,880 --> 00:56:54,960
that even possible? If you're even sniffing around a conspiracy,

977
00:56:55,119 --> 00:56:59,000
a real conspiracy, and they're going to charge somebody. Everybody's

978
00:56:59,079 --> 00:57:03,880
going down? What the federal prosecutors aren't gonna just nail

979
00:57:03,920 --> 00:57:06,920
everybody and then figure it out later. But all of

980
00:57:06,920 --> 00:57:11,239
a sudden, here it's very targeted, right, ask yourselves why?

981
00:57:11,480 --> 00:57:14,840
And really you should ask yourselves this question. How come

982
00:57:15,360 --> 00:57:17,800
there is no RICO here? This needs to be a

983
00:57:17,880 --> 00:57:21,039
RICO case. This is exactly what the RICO laws were

984
00:57:21,039 --> 00:57:23,320
put on the books for. And if it's good enough

985
00:57:23,320 --> 00:57:25,679
for John Gottie, it's good enough for Jeffrey Epstein and

986
00:57:25,719 --> 00:57:31,119
Glenn Maxwell. And here a fifth woman who perhaps epitomizes

987
00:57:31,199 --> 00:57:35,320
the often complex relationship between abuser and abused. In her

988
00:57:35,360 --> 00:57:39,159
exclusive twenty twenty two interview with The Mail, for which

989
00:57:39,159 --> 00:57:42,800
she was not paid, Carolyn alleged that Virginia Roberts had

990
00:57:42,840 --> 00:57:44,880
told her in two thousand and one that as a

991
00:57:44,920 --> 00:57:48,039
seventeen year old, she slept with Prince Andrew in London,

992
00:57:48,719 --> 00:57:53,000
while the now infamous contemporary picture shows Roberts posing at

993
00:57:53,039 --> 00:57:57,079
Maxwell's home with the late Queen's second son. Carolyn's account

994
00:57:57,119 --> 00:57:59,800
was the first time there had been any independent report

995
00:58:00,119 --> 00:58:04,039
of Virginia's purported meeting with Andrew, which the Duke maintains

996
00:58:04,199 --> 00:58:07,599
he cannot remember unless we're talking about on the island,

997
00:58:07,840 --> 00:58:10,639
because we have somebody who came forward and said the

998
00:58:10,679 --> 00:58:14,039
same exact thing. We have a worker who came forward

999
00:58:14,079 --> 00:58:17,360
down there and said, look, I saw Virginia with Prince

1000
00:58:17,400 --> 00:58:21,880
Andrew on this island. So there's more corroboration, there, more receipts.

1001
00:58:22,719 --> 00:58:26,159
Carolyn made it clear she held Virginia responsible for delivering

1002
00:58:26,199 --> 00:58:29,679
her into Epstein and Maxwell's clutches. For her part, Miss

1003
00:58:29,800 --> 00:58:33,800
Roberts has admitted that she actively recruited young girls for Epstein,

1004
00:58:34,079 --> 00:58:37,960
something she says she now bitterly regrets that was all

1005
00:58:38,000 --> 00:58:40,400
part of it. Unfortunately, the only way you were going

1006
00:58:40,440 --> 00:58:42,800
to stick around is if you brought other girls. The

1007
00:58:42,840 --> 00:58:44,639
only way you're going to make more money is if

1008
00:58:44,639 --> 00:58:47,920
you added to the stable. So it was a disgusting

1009
00:58:47,920 --> 00:58:50,519
cycle of abuse. And the sad part is it was

1010
00:58:50,559 --> 00:58:53,239
allowed to go on for all these years. Even though

1011
00:58:53,280 --> 00:58:56,079
Maria Farmer and Annie Farmer told the FBI what was

1012
00:58:56,159 --> 00:58:59,000
going on in the mid nineties, this shit was allowed

1013
00:58:59,039 --> 00:59:02,760
to go on, and Carolyn was scathing of Maxwell now

1014
00:59:02,800 --> 00:59:05,719
sixty two, I want all women to know what happened

1015
00:59:05,760 --> 00:59:07,800
to me when I was a teenager and how it

1016
00:59:07,880 --> 00:59:10,280
has affected my life, she told us. I want to

1017
00:59:10,320 --> 00:59:13,400
be a voice for all survivors of sexual abuse so

1018
00:59:13,440 --> 00:59:16,400
that they are not afraid to come forward. Even years later,

1019
00:59:17,239 --> 00:59:21,519
privately educated Maxwell continues to protest her innocence and is

1020
00:59:21,599 --> 00:59:26,599
reportedly conducting etiquette lessons for fellow inmates at Tallahassee Federal

1021
00:59:26,599 --> 00:59:30,800
Correctional Institution in Florida, where she is serving a twenty

1022
00:59:30,880 --> 00:59:35,360
year sentence for child abuse and sex trafficking. Her pedophile

1023
00:59:35,440 --> 00:59:38,199
ex boyfriend took as many secrets to the grave, and

1024
00:59:38,280 --> 00:59:42,719
not everyone believes he truly committed suicide. A few days

1025
00:59:42,760 --> 00:59:46,119
after Carolyn gave evidence against Maxwell. She sent her mother

1026
00:59:46,440 --> 00:59:49,920
a YouTube video featuring a song called I Don't Feel

1027
00:59:49,960 --> 00:59:53,159
any More. Dorothy played it to me, and, for the

1028
00:59:53,199 --> 00:59:56,119
first time in our interview, wept as she listened to

1029
00:59:56,159 --> 00:59:59,239
the lyrics. I have always felt like I don't belong here.

1030
00:59:59,480 --> 01:00:02,880
It's been a lot year, it's been a long life.

1031
01:00:03,039 --> 01:00:05,559
How heartbreaking is that that's the memory you have of

1032
01:00:05,599 --> 01:00:09,360
your daughter after all of this bullshit. And if everybody

1033
01:00:09,360 --> 01:00:11,960
else is gonna forget what happened here, if everybody else

1034
01:00:12,039 --> 01:00:14,400
is just gonna move on to a new story, well

1035
01:00:14,440 --> 01:00:17,320
that's cool. We're not gonna do that here. I can

1036
01:00:17,400 --> 01:00:20,000
chew gum and walk at the same time. We'll continue

1037
01:00:20,039 --> 01:00:22,719
to pound home on this story until there's nothing left

1038
01:00:22,719 --> 01:00:26,639
to pound home on. Tears phill Dorothy's eyes as she

1039
01:00:26,719 --> 01:00:30,119
reflected on her daughter's mental state. Nobody knows how deep

1040
01:00:30,159 --> 01:00:33,000
this goes, she says, I don't know whether she is

1041
01:00:33,039 --> 01:00:35,920
going to be alive from one day to another. Now,

1042
01:00:35,960 --> 01:00:39,239
tragically she is gone, and with the world's attention once

1043
01:00:39,280 --> 01:00:43,280
again focusing on Epstein, questions will surely continue to mount

1044
01:00:43,320 --> 01:00:46,880
for those who may evaded and embedded his sordid crimes,

1045
01:00:47,760 --> 01:00:51,519
and people like Carolyn, they deserve us moving forward as

1046
01:00:51,559 --> 01:00:55,480
their surrogates to demand action, to demand justice, and for

1047
01:00:55,559 --> 01:01:00,000
me at least, that remains non negotiable. All right, folks,

1048
01:00:59,800 --> 01:01:01,440
that's going to do it for this one. All the

1049
01:01:01,480 --> 01:01:04,440
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