Speaker 1: This is, like I said, an article from The New
York Times and the headline is how a ring of
women allegedly recruited girls for Jeffrey Epstein. The authors of
the article are Amy Julia Harris, Francis Roebliss, Mike Baker,
and William K. Rashbaum. This article was released by The
New York Times on August twenty ninth, two thousand and nineteen. Now,
remember I didn't start this podcast really until October, so
all of these articles previously we never got to on
the podcast. So when I was doing my research into
the Sarah Kellen episode and I stumbled across this one
that I had read a while back but I had
never archived. For some reason, I thought that this would
be a great place to start. Because as much as
I get on top of legacy media and call them
out when they're nonsensical for their bs, well, the New
York Times did a really good job with this article
profiling who these ladies are. So that's why we're starting here,
and that's why we're going to read this article tonight.
Hailey Robson was a sixteen year old South Florida high
school student when an acquaintance from school approached her at
a local pool with an intriguing offer. Did she want
to make a month? Did she want to make extra
money giving massages to a billionaire pedophile in Palm Beach?
She agreed. When Jeffrey Epstein tried to grope her while
she was giving him a massage wearing nothing but a thong,
she brushed his hand away, Miss Robson said in a
two thousand and nine deposition for a civil case. But
she continued to visit mister Epstein's mansion dozens more times
in a lucrative new role a recruiter of other teenage
girls from her school. Now this is one of those
situations where it's delicate in my opinion. Now, this is
another girl who is only sixteen years old who has
been recruited into this disgusting world of Jeffrey Epstein's. And
now she's sixteen, and she's going back to school and
recruiting other young girls to come and be a part
of this. This is where I'm torn. How do you
punish somebody that's only sixteen that was engaging in this.
I don't. I'm not really capable and smart enough legally
to even under begin to try and break that down
right now. There has to be some sort of punishment.
You can't get away with helping out a pedophile. But
what is that punishment? I guess that's a question I'm
asking the audience. I really don't for once, I don't
have an opinion on that. I really don't know where
to start when it comes to people like Hailey Robson,
I don't know. I don't know what sort of punishment
somebody like that should be looking at. What do you
folks out there think? Send me some emails on that
so I can get a feel for what you folks think,
because one of the only times I can tell you
in this case, I really don't have a strong opinion
one way or the other because I don't. I guess
I'm not well versed enough in that part of the
law to understand how the penalties can be administered. Now,
I definitely have some empathy for her, no doubt about it.
At being recruited at that young of an age and
then thrust into a role of where you can make
money by bringing other girls there. You know, she's just
a kid, so it's definitely delicate. Let me know what
you think out there. I didn't have to convince them,
she said in a deposition, I propose to them they
took it again. Of course they did. Young girls that
are from poor backgrounds, that have never really had anything,
somebody's offering them two hundred bucks, three hundred bucks to
come give some old creepy guy a massage. They're not
thinking they're going there to get molested. They're not going
there as prostitutes. There's nothing, first of all, no such
a thing as a child prostitute. But that's not why
they're going there. They were going over there thinking they
were going to make a quick two hundred give it
this dude a massage, and be done with their day
and be onto the mall to buy a new pair
of shoes or whatever it may be. Instead, they would
get there and it would be a whole different set
of circumstances. After miss mister Epstein's suicide allegedly in a
Manhattan jail cell in early August, federal authorities have refocused
their investigation on more than half dozen employees, girlfriends, and
associates whom prosecutors say he relied on to feed his
insatiable appetite for girls. According to two people with knowledge
of the inquiry. Miss Robson now thirty three is among them. Again,
definitely a delicate situation with Miss Robson. I'm not going
to do a deep dive into her right this second.
She is definitely on the radar, but it's like I said,
it's a delicate situation with her and also honestly with
Nadia marson Cova, and we'll get to that when I
profile her. She had a bigger role than Haley Robson,
a much more public role. So we're doing a deep
dive on marson Cova. But again, I'm very you know,
I'm torn on the whole situation because of the circumstances
surrounding it. A review by The New York Times of lawsuits,
unsealed court records and depositions, along with new interviews, offers
disturbing allegations about this small this small cadre of women
who helped mister Epstein lore girls into his orbit and
manage the logistics of his encounters with them. Again, this
is such an important part of the story. This whole
operation could not have taken place, folks, without the help
of the Core four, And that's why it's very important
that we get to the bottom of it. It's very
important that they answer questions. It's very important that the
prosecutors pursue this very, very, very aggressively. The urgency of
the investigation into mister Epstein's associates was underscored on Tuesday,
when about two dozen women offered searing accounts of how
he had sexually abused them before a packed courtroom in Manhattan.
The judge overseeing the case had invited the women to
speak out a hearing to dismiss the indictment against mister
Epstein in light of his death. Again, another horrible decision.
He should have been These crimes are so heinous. He
should have been tried for these crimes in death, even
even though he couldn't have been there. He couldn't be there.
He should have been tried in death for these crimes.
That's how horrible they were. Why not, Why can't Why
couldn't we have done that? Make an exception, write a
new law. They love writing new laws. We'll write a
new law for something that's worthwhile for once. Several of
the women implored federal prosecutors to continue investigating the women
in mister Epstein's inner circle. Well, if the prosecutors don't
want to do it, We'll do it here on the
Jeffrey Epstein Show. And I know that other content providers
and content creators are doing the same thing, like my
good friends over at The Prince and the Purv. They're
doing great work over there. If you're not subscribing to
their podcast yet, get on it. My two pals from
Australia are leaving no rock unturned in this case, so
you definitely want to check out their work. Jeffrey is
no longer here, and the women that helped him are,
said Teresa Helm, who said she was excuse me, who
said she was recruited into mister Epstein's world seventeen years ago.
They definitely need to be held accountable for helping him,
helping themselves, helping one another carry on this huge, almost
like system. That's exactly what it is. Miss Helm is
not wrong, one of the survivors speaking out. Miss Helm
is not wrong. This is your prototypical criminal organization built
exactly like the mafia, with levels of insulation, with protection
for those that are in leadership roles, and the shit
rolls downhill. Right. We see it all the time with
these criminal investigations, and the only way that people at
the top get popped. Is when you bring in the
lower level individuals, the capos, the lieutenants, the street dealers,
the street bosses. You bring them in, you round them up,
and you put them to the question, and they start ratting.
And that's what we need to start seeing here. And
that is why we're doing this right now, at the time.
We're doing it because it's very important that the prosecutors
understand that the people demand action. Just like we demanded
action with Weinstein, we demand action with these sick people
as well. The United States Attorney in Manhattan, Jeffrey Berman,
whose office brought char the charges against mister Epstein, said
after his suicide that the investigation into the sex trafficking
conspiracy was not finished and prosecutors were committed to standing
up for the brave young women mister Epstein had abused. Well,
that's all nice and nice and all, and you know,
it's it's awesome that you can say that, and it's
great for you to claim that that's what's going to occur.
But if you really want to stand up for these girls,
if you really want to stand up for the survivors,
and believe me, I've heard it from their own mouths.
If you really want to stand up for them, you
need to prosecute. You need to go after these people
with the same gusto that you go after drug dealers,
with the same gusto you go after people that are
involved in, you know, money crimes. This is such a
heinous operation that these people were a part of, and
the fact that nobody has been arrested in the inner circle,
how can you possibly get up there and blow those
words out of your mouth knowing that they're wind mister Berman,
I implore you, sir, to do the right thing. But
mister Epstein is excuse me. One of the women under scrutiny,
mister Epstein's one time girlfriend, Gilaane Maxwell and co conspirator,
has been accused in several well publicized lawsuits of overseeing
efforts to procure girls and young women for him, a
charge she has firmly denied. Yeah right, what'd you call him,
Guilane new Biles. Huh, that's what you like, That's what
you're try, That's what you're cruising Central Park for. Huh,
new Biles, You sick, deranged woman. But mister Epstein is
also accused in civil suits of relying on an organized
network of underlings, those who trained girls how to sexually
pleasure him, office assistants who booked cars and travel, and
recruiters who ensured he was always he always had a
fresh supply of teenage girls at the ready. Just think
about that statement, always always had a fresh supply of
teenage girls at the ready. Now get for a moment,
forget that we were talking about human beings here. Okay,
forget we were talking about people being trafficked, and let's
think about this as a drug organization. He relied on
a let's say his name was Pablo Escobar. Pablo Escobar
relied on an organized network of underlings, those who, instead
of trained girls, manufactured the drugs instead of how to
sexually pleasure him. Those who who transported the drugs. Office
assistants who booked cars and travel. That would be his
other underlings that worked in a front office, that were
in charge of the travel for all of the drug dealers,
and recruiters who in sure he always had a fresh
supply of teenage girls at the ready. Okay, if we're
talking about in drug a drug cartel terms, those would
be the people that would make sure that everything was
happening correctly on the streets, making sure the drugs were
getting to the places they needed to get to. So
when you see that analogy, how is it any different?
The only thing different is one is involved in selling
drugs and the other was involved in moving human flesh. Now,
I find drugs at that level, selling drugs at that
level to be a problem, there's no doubt. But I
find it even more horrendous that a human trafficking ring
is not being given the same look that a drug
trafficking ring was given. How much money did they have
on El Chapo's head? Again, don't get me wrong, he
was a bad man. He was an evil man who
was responsible for untold deaths, and there's no doubt that
they should have went after him the way they did.
My point is, though, why don't they go after Epstein's
operation and other trafficking operations with the same zeal, especially
considering when you break it down and look at it
the way I just broke it down for you, there's
no difference. It's the same exact thing here, folks. None
of mister Epstein's associates have been charged or named as
co conspirators in Manhattan, but federal authorities are eyeing possible
charges that include sex trafficking and sex trafficking conspiracy. The
two people with knowledge of the investigation said, and again,
I hate beating a dead horse, and I know a
lot of you out there are probably sick of hearing
about RICO, but this is right here. This is textbook RICO,
textbook RICO, especially considering it the human trafficking aspect has
been added to the RICO statutes. I just don't understand.
If Berman was serious, and if the prosecution was serious,
this is the route they would be taking, because it
gives them great latitude to really investigate everybody who has
ever received a single dime from Jeffrey Epstein. Four women
were apparently so instrumental to mister Epstein's operation that they
were named as possible co conspirators and were granted immunity
from prosecution in a widely criticized plea bargain mister Epstein
struck with federal prosecutors in Florida more than a decade ago.
That deal allowed mister Epstein to plead guilty to state
charges and to spend thirteen months in a county jail
rather than face a federal sex trafficking indictment. You know
what's so laughable about that? The two guards are facing
more jail time than Jeffrey Epstein Ever. Did I know
people that have been arrested for illegal gambling charges, Folks
that have done seven years. Do you know why because
they got slapped with a rico charge. Yet these people,
these people thirteen months, no jail time, immunity deals. It's
like Oprah. You get an immunity deal, you get an
immunity deal, you get an immunity deal. Everybody's getting immunity deals.
Meanwhile nobody is getting justice. The four women, Sarah Kellen,
Leslie Groff, Adriana Ross and Nadia Marsonkova, could still be
subject to criminal charges in Manhattan. The United States Attorney
Attorney's Office has said it is not bound by the
Florida agreement. Bank Bang Boom, not bound by the Florida Agreement.
Where are the charges? There is no excuse for there
not to be charges. There is no excuse for these
ladies not to be brought in at the very least,
and put to the question, it says it right here,
plain as day, the US Attorney's Office. In the United
States Attorney's office has said it is not bound by
the Florida agreement. So what is stopping you, mister Berman.
I implore you to do your job, sir, the boss.
Three women have alleged in lawsuits that mister Epstein's sex
trafficking ring operated as a hierarchy, with the financier, pedophile
and Miss Maxwell at the top. I'm not, you know,
I don't when I'm telling you how I look at
this organization. It's because of the conversations I've had with
people who have been involved with Jeffrey Epstein, people who
have been abused by Jeffrey Epstein. This isn't just you
know at this point is this isn't theory, folks, This
is fact, Okay, this was this whole thing was being
operated as a criminal enterprise with leaders people in leadership
roles and then underlinks. And there is no disputing that
fact at this point, and that alone is enough for
the authorities to go after them. But yet here we
are she orchestrated the whole thing for Jeffrey. Sarah Ransom,
who sued Miss Maxwell and other associates in twenty seventeen,
said in an interview Miss Maxwell, the daughter of the
British publishing magnet. Robert Maxwell was mister Epstein's longtime companion,
managing his homes and introducing him to many many of
the politicians, celebrities, and dignitaries who became fixtures within his
social circle, all part of the plan. Maxwell was born
for this. She was born for cloak and dagger. The
people she grew up around, Folks, what do you think
they were the same kind of people you and I
grew up around. They were not. They were not. She
was sent over here to make sure that Epstein was
kept in line and so that Epstein would have access
to all of these elites. She was the happy face
put on Epstein, all right, And she was the reason
he was able to finagle himself into these circles, to
be around all of these rich people, to have access
to these rich people. It was all because of Geelan
Maxwell and her contacts. And where do you think those
contacts came from? Folks? Her pops all right, And where
do you think her pops contacts came from? Ah? Well,
wouldn't it be funny to find out that he was
part of the intelligence community. Boy, isn't that shocking? They
were just like partners in business. Janis Bannis Janet Janus Banasiak,
mister Epstein's house manager, said in a deposition. Mister Epstein's butler,
Alfredo Rodriguez, described Miss Maxwell in a deposition as the boss. Yeah,
she was the boss, Okay. Her and Jeffrey Epstein were
on legal footing. Jeffrey Epstein wasn't bullying her around. Jeffrey
Epstein wasn't telling her what to do. They were on
equal footing, and he understood that. He understood that he was,
you know, at the end of the day, beholden to
Geelane Maxwell. Almost Miss Maxwell has denied she trafficked girls.
Neither Miss Maxwell nor her lawyers responded to requests for
interview interviews for this article. Of course not. They don't
want to go on record. They know the scope, they
know the score, they know the deal. They know that
if they go on record, it's gonna be big trouble
if Keelane Maxwell comes in, forget it. She's ratting too,
And right now she's the plumb Her and Prince Andrew
are the two Plumb prizes, and the heat is certainly on.
But mister Epstein's accusers contend in court papers that Miss
Maxwell managed the network of recruiters and helped devise the
playbook for how to lure young women into mister Epstein's web.
Recruiters were allegedly told to target young, financially desperate women
and to promise them help furthering their education and careers.
These civil complaints said. Virginia Roberts said in a deposition
that she was sixteen when she met Miss Maxwell and
was recruited as a massuse. She said she remembered Miss
Maxwell's sales pitch. If she gave a wealthy man a massage,
a whole world of opportunity would open up to her.
If the guy like you, then you know it will
work out for you, Miss Roberts, It will work out
for you. Miss Roberts, in a deposition, recalled Miss Maxwell
telling her you'll travel, you'll make good money, you'll be educated.
So you think at sixteen years old, Virginia Roberts, who
she didn't come from money. She wasn't, you know, from
some rich family or anything like that, and she's offered
this incredible opportunity. Do you really think that in her
mind she's thinking that this well spoken British lady who's
obviously very rich and runs with obviously very rich people.
Is going to be somebody that's going to abuse her
or hurt her? Or do you think she's thinking, man,
this is a great opportunity. I'm gonna make some big money.
I'm gonna get trained out of be a masseuse, I'll
get an education. This is my chance. That's exactly what
she was thinking, Folks. It wasn't like she went into
this with open eyes. She was a young girl, sixteen
years old. Think back to when you were sixteen, how
easily you could have been manipulated into a situation like this.
Miss Roberts took the job. Soon, she said, she became
a survivor of Jeffrey Epstein, not only providing sexual favors
to him, but also to some of his acquaintances, including
politicians and prominent businessmen. My whole life revolved around just
pleasing these men and keeping Gulane and Jeffrey happy, she
said in the deposition. Their whole entire lives revolved around sex.
And we've heard that from numerous girls at this point,
numerous girls about how Jeffrey Epstein had to have quote
unquote massages three or four times a day, how Gilaine
was also addicted to this sort of lifestyle. Sick, folks,
We're dealing with some very sick people here, all right.
Now into the meat of the article. Now we're going
to talk about the lieutenant. Just below Miss Maxwell in
the chain of command was Miss Kellen, another high ranking
employee who has been accused in multiple lawsuits of scheduling
girls for sex sessions with mister Epstein and his palm
each mansion. She was called the lieutenant in one lawsuit.
David Rodgers, mister Epstein's pilot, set in a deposition that
Miss Kellen was like an assistant to gi Lane. From
what I have heard and from what people have told
me who were close to the case, she was being
groomed for Gelaane's type of position so that she could
step in and take over if Gelaane had other matters
at hand. She was the numer the number one underling
underneath Jeffrey Epstein and Glaine Maxwell. Very important part of
what was going on here, folks. Sarah Kellen Vickers, who
now is married to ex NASCAR race car driver Brian Vickers,
is such a huge part of this story and all
we had several requests for a profile on her, and
that's the main catalyst why we're doing this whole entire
news this, this whole new series here. So we're going
to make sure that we profile her and remember that
she is a very going forward. Remember she is a
very important piece to this puzzle. Miss Kellen kept the
names and numbers of all the girls who gave mister
Epstein erotic massages. According to Palm Beach police reports and
Miss Robson's deposition, she would call them whenever mister Epstein
was in town, asking the girls if they were ready
to work. The reports and Miss Robson said, now, remember, folks,
it's not just a report now or an an anonymous
source or sources said. Miss Robson is saying this directly.
Miss Robson is saying that Kellen was surprising, surprise, excuse me, surprising.
She was providing these young girls for Jeffrey Epstein. She
was the one making the phone call, she was the
one bringing them over. She is a co conspirator. How
is she not being questioned by the FBI right now?
How hasn't mister Berman come after her with everything he had?
It makes me question the prosecution. She saw herself as
the boss, said Spencer T. Coven, a West Palm Beach
lawyer who represented several accusers in lawsuits. Sarah was really
running that organization, bringing girls and getting them in and
out of the Palm Beach home. How much more damning
does it have to be? How much more damning does
it have to be for us to see some justice
in this case, for somebody to show up and arrest
one of these people. Miss Kellen, who sometimes goes by
Sarah Kensington or Sarah Vickers, did not respond to requests
for an interview. Her lawyers also did not respond to
requests for comment. Multiple girls, multiple girls told Palm Beach
detectives that when they arrived at mister Epstein's mansion, Miss
Kellen would escort them upstairs to mister Epstein's bedroom and
lay out the very lay out the massage table with
the various oils and lotions were that they were to
use on him. According to police reports, so this lady,
who is protected under that draconian disgusting immunity deal, not
only made the phone calls, not only called the girls
and rounded the mup for Epstein, but she would set
the massage table up for him with all the sick,
disgusting sex toys and lotions and everything that this deviant liked.
This woman, Sarah Kellen Vickers, needs to be questioned by
the authorities, and she also needs to be talked about
more in the media. There needs to be more of
a focus spent on these so called co conspirators that
we keep hearing about. The media keeps talking about them,
but they are not running articles. They're not doing expose
as they're not having a thirty five or forty minute
discussion about who these women are and what their roles
were in this case. This is important stuff, folks. This
is very important to the case. What this does is
it shows that this is a criminal enterprise. What this
shows is that this definitely deserves to be slapped with
every single rico charge they can imagine, and the whole
entire house of cards needs to be pulled down around
their ears. In an interview, Miss Ransom said Miss Kellen
and Miss Maxwell also gave her tips on how to
give Epstein erotic massages, including how to rub his feet
and best satisfy him sexually. It was Geelay and Sarah
Kellen that showed me how to please Jeffrey. Miss Ransom said,
the assistance. So that is the beginning of who Sarah
Kellen Vickers is. Now we did the five fast facts
on who she is. We have that little bit of
a profile in this overview of who she is. And
now going forward in our first our second episode of
this series, we're going to profile her in a deep
dive and we're going to do a thirty thirty five
minute episode just on who Sarah kelln Vickers is. And
we're going to do one of those for each one
of these ladies that we talk about in this article.
Now we've talked about Sarah Kellen Vickers and her role
and how she was the main lieutenant underneath Gelane Maxwell.
Now we're going to meet the three assistants. Ms Groff,
mister Epstein's executive assistant for almost twenty years, was one
of the possible co conspirators named in the two thousand
and eight plead deal. Mister Epstein's lawyers worked out with
the United States Attorney's Office in Miami. Now we talked
a little bit about Leslie Groff already. We did a
I don't know, twenty minute episode about her a few
weeks ago, maybe month, month and a half ago. I
don't know the exact episode, but we took a little
bit of a look at who she is, but we
didn't really get down into the weeds yet. So again,
just like with Sarah Kellen, we're going to do the
same thing with miss Groff, and this is just going
to give you an overview, a basic starting point on
just exactly who she is. She said in a two
thousand and five interview with The Times that she answered
mister Epstein's telephone and managed his schedule, which included meetings
with prominent scientists, Wall Street executives, foreign dignitaries, and American
politicians over the years. She said in two thousand and
five that she formed a special bond with a financier
aka pedophile, anticipating his needs. I know what he is thinking,
she said at the time. Again, another one who is very,
very very knowledgeable as to what went on in Jeffrey
Epstein's ring. Leslie Groff was another integral part of Jeffrey
Epstein's operation. She worked with Epstein for such a long
time and like she says right here, she knew what
he was thinking. She was so locked in step with
Epstein and knowing what he wanted that she didn't even
really have to ask. She just knew what to do.
And you know how you have that relationship with somebody
who you've worked with for a long time, you don't
really even need to discuss things. You both know what
your duties are, you know what's expected of you, and
you just do it. And that's the sort of a
relationship these two had. Jeffrey Epstein relied on Miss Groff
for a lot, a whole lot, but Miss Ransom said
in her lawsuit that miss Groff, now fifty three, also
arranged travel and lodging for the seemingly endless stream of
adolescent girls and young women who provided mister Epstein with
erotic massages. I can confirm that as well another you know,
sources have confirmed to me that that was the case,
that these people certainly had knowledge of what was going on,
of the fact that they were booking young girls to
go on these flights in these trips with Jeffrey Epstein.
In a recent interview with The Times, Miss Ransom said
miss Groff communicated directly with her, repeating mister Epstein's promises
to help her obtain a fashion degree. Miss Groff's lawyer,
Michael Backner said his client worked as part of a
professional staff, making appointments, taking messages, and setting up meetings.
At no time during Leslie's employment with Epstein did she
ever engage in any misconduct, and never knowingly made travel
arrangements for anyone under eighteen. Mister Backner said, this is
a great one. At she worked for a professional staff,
a professional staff that included the core four. I guess, huh,
guy Laine Leslie, Kellen, Adriana Ross and a Nadio Marsenkova.
That's the professional staff she worked with. Huh, way to
go a lawyer, You absolute boob, you moron. Miss Ransom
also alleged in her lawsuit that she was instructed by
mister Epstein's associates to go on a diet and to
lose about eleven pounds to maintain her slim figure, and
one email exchange reviewed by The Times, Miss Ransom told
Miss Groff she was monitoring her weight for mister Epstein.
Please could you let him know that I am going
now fifty seven kilograms and that everything is going well.
Miss Ransom emailed Miss Groff in two thousand and seven.
The fact that any of these ladies, through their lawyers
would act like they don't know what's going on, that
they had nothing to do with this. It's just it's
offensive at this point. It is absolutely offensive at this point.
If you didn't know what was going on, you would
have been the first one to come forward, Miss Groff
and help the FBI. Instead, you're hiding behind that disgusting
ass immunity deal you got. Why don't you come out
from the shadows. Why don't you come out and speak
to reporters. Why don't you come out and talk to me.
I'll gladly have any of you, any of these core
four on the podcast anytime you want to come on
and explain your side of the story instead of skulking
around in the shadows. Come on, let's have a discussion.
Bring your lawyer too. Another of mister Epstein's assistants, Miss Ross,
was also named as a potential co conspirator in the
two thousand and eight plea deal. When Palm Beach police
were investigating mister Epstein around two thousand and five, miss
Ross removed three computers from the Florida mansion. Mister Benassiak,
the house manager, said in a deposition, where are those computers?
Where did they go. Where in the hell did those
computers go and what was on them? And how in
the f did prosecutors and the police let this lady
get out with those computers. How were there not around
the clock sur veillance on this man's house. How weren't
those computers taken in a raid? Why was this information
allowed to be taken? And where did it end up?
How has she not been brought in for questioning about that?
The police noted in their reports that the computers, which
they had reason to think might contain photos of naked girls,
were missing when investigators arrived. She show up one day
with gentlemen, mister Banasiak said, and she told me that
they are moving out those computers. I'd like to know
who gentlemen is. Who is gentlemen? Can we find that out?
Who is the gentleman that she showed up with? And
where are these computers? This is very important, folks. This
is another piece of a huge piece of evidence. These
computers need to be found. Ms Ross, who went on
to study accounting and is based in Miami, did not
respond to calls or emails seeking comment. The more you do,
the more you make. Miss Marsonkova a formal model and
pilot had come under police scrutiny. In Palm Beach in
two thousand and five, a sixteen year old told detective
she was giving mister Epstein a massage when Miss Marsonkova
entered the room naked. According to Palm Beach police reports,
mister Epstein then told the girls then told the girl
she could make an extra two hundred dollars if she
performed oral sex on Miss Marsonkova, and the girl reluctantly agreed.
The report said, chilling. This is chilling stuff here and again,
Miss marson Kova is supposedly somebody that Jeffrey Epstein bought
when she was a youth herself. So this is another
one of those cases where I believe marson Kova deserves punishment,
but to what degree. I'm torn. She has caused a
lot of damage to a lot of young ladies, but
she herself suffered at the hands of Geffrey Epstein and
she was abused as well. So again I asked the audience,
what do you think should her punishment be. The encounter
was the first of many sexual trysts. The teenager told
the police she was coerced into having with both both
Miss Marsonkova and mister Epstein at his Palm Beach mansion,
according to police incident reports. Police records also show that
investigators had indications that Miss Marsonkova might have been underage
herself when she became involved with mister Epstein. That's something
that we have to really get to the bottom of.
We have to know for a fact one way or
the other, because it's crucial when it comes time for punishment.
In my opinion, I think that that has to be
taken into account. I know that that makes me seem
like kind of a softy, But if she was abused
by Epstein herself. We know about the Stockholm syndrome and
we know about the psychological effects it takes on people.
And obviously I'm not a doctor or a psychologist, so
I'm not qualified to real jump in and act like
I am. But the compassion in me says that somebody
who has abused herself and bought from her parents in
a foreign country and brought here to be a sex
slave has to be looked at in a different light
than say, somebody like Sarah Kellen Vickers, who chose to
be involved in this. Miss Marsonkova who later used the
last name Marcinka. Marchenko declined to answer questions about mister
Epstein's alleged abuse of girls when she was deposed in
a lawsuit invoking the Fifth Amendment reached by The Times.
Miss Marsenkova's lawyers, Erica T. Dubnow and Aaron miss Luik, said,
like other victims, Nadia Marsinko is and has been severely
traumatized and needs time to process and make sense of
what she has been through before she is able to
speak out. Prosecutors may face thorny legal legal issues in
deciding whether to charge some of mister Epstein's associates, like
Miss Robson and Miss marson Kova, who may have initially
been victims themselves. Right again, it's a lot of legal
gray area and moral gray area in my opinion as well,
And I know some people will disagree with me with that,
and that's totally fine. I'm not saying you're wrong. I'm
not saying that these people should get off without any
sort of punishment, but I believe the punishment should be
much more severe for people like Leslie Groff or Adriana
Ross or Sarah Kellen Vickers than it is from Marsenkova,
and that's just where I'm at right now. But as
we get more information, obviously, if we get more you know,
evidence pointing in other directions, then obviously you all know
how I feel about this case. I will go wherever
the evidence leads us. I don't have a dog in
this fight. I'm not carrying water for any side politically.
In fact, I really don't care about politics anymore. Going
into this, I was really engaged politically. I was involved in,
you know, following everything. But since I've started covering this
Jeffrey Epstein case October, I don't even care about the
stupid tribalism that we see on a regular basis in America.
It doesn't I don't care anymore. It's all political noise.
I want justice and I want action in real life
cases that truly matter to the American people. That's what
I want, and neither side wants to do it. Neither
side wants to come forward and lead. Everybody wants to squabble,
and everybody wants to throw blame and hate each other.
And meanwhile, we have serious issues that are going unattended.
Determine determining criminal liability is always a complex decision if
a person has been exploited for sex then used as
a pawn to recruit others, said Lauren Hirsch, a former
sex trafficking prosecutor in Brooklyn who now leads World Without
Exploitation and Anti Trafficking Organization. Well, she would know way
better than me, right, So I guess we should refer
to what miss Lauren Hirsch has to say here and
when it comes to this situation with Mars and Co
and Robson, but for their own exploitation, they wouldn't do that,
she said. It becomes really really tricky. Miss Robson, a
former stripper and olive garden worker, was not among the
four women given immunity in the Florida plea agreement, but
her role in mister Epstein's operation was significant enough that
Palm Beach police detectives had planned to charge her more
than a decade ago, according to an affid David By,
the lead detective in Palm Beach. She was also sued twice,
and she described her role in mister Epstein's operation in
a deposition. When mister Epstein would fly into Florida, Miss
Robson said she would get a call on her cell
phone from miss Kellen. That establishes the criminal conspiracy, right there, folks,
criminal conspiracy. Two or more people intent on committing a crime.
Epstein Kellen two people right there, Ad Robson, that's a third.
Can we get some som rico? Can we get some
real punishment here? Of folks? Can we get some justice?
Who would tell her how much many massages the financier
pedophile needed for the upcoming visit. The two of them
would hammer out logistics. I would have a girl that
would be available for those dates and times, Miss Robson said.
Into two thousand and nine deposition, Miss Robson told lawyers
she made two hundred dollars for every high school girl
she brought to the Palm Beach mansion. She recruited the
girls from her high school, including one who was fourteen
when she brought a twenty three year old. Mister Epstein
balked too old. He told her, well, we all know
that they have to be young. What did Keelane say?
She likes the new bile? New bile is the exact
word she used. Imagine to be that sick, that twisted
and that callous that you're driving around looking for girls
that are new bile, So no wonder twenty three was
much too old for mister Epstein. The girls knew what
they were getting into. Miss Robson said the rules were
unspoken but understood. The more you do, the more you make.
Miss Robson said in the deposition, if you topless, if
you were working in your thong, you're bra you're going
to make more than one hundred Oh wow, aren't you
big spenders? Aren't you just making it rain on? People?
Come and get sexually abused for two hundred bucks. It's
a great deal. You know what you're getting into. Fourteen
years old. Absolute disgusting. It's absolutely disgusting to think that
this went on for so long with so many people
turning a blind eye, so many people in polite, elite
society turning a blind eye to what everybody knows was
an obvious situation. Reached by The Times, miss Robson said,
I have nothing to say. I would appreciate if I
was not contacted. Douglas Macintosh, a lawyer who represented her
in a civil case in Florida, called Miss Robson a
lovely young lady, but declined to answer questions about her
involvement with mister Epstein. In her deposition, Miss Robson said
that she had debated suing mister Epstein but decided against it.
I just thought it was the easy way out, she said,
and then I decided, this is my life and I
have to take responsibility for my own actions because I
did volunteer. Well, that's noble and all, but you have
to face some consequences here, Miss Robson, just like missus Marsonkova.
The question is what are those consequences. That's where we
get into the slippery slope. That's where we get into
an area where I'm certainly not qualified to even have
an opinion in my honestly, because I don't really know.
I'm really torn about it. It's one of those really
hard things that I really have to think long and
hard on to give you an answer one way or
the other. If I was sitting on a jerry, I
don't know how I know. I'd have to listen to
all of the evidence, and I'd have to really really
think long and hard about how I would punish someone
who has been bought from a separate from a different
country from their parents and brought here and groomed for
this role. It's just one of those really slippery slopes. So, folks,
that concludes episode one of our Closer Look Jeffrey Epstein's
Core four series. We're gonna have four more episodes in
this series, and the first episode is going to deal
with Sarah Kellen Vickers, and that was going to be
today's episode, but unfortunately I decided that well I guess
not unfortunately it's the wrong word, but I decided that
the overview episode was more important for context. So what
we're going to do is the Sarah Kellen Vickers episode
will be on Saturday. Now, I would do it on Friday,
but Friday is my fortieth birthday, so I'll be predisposed
on that day hanging out with my family and you know,
just just relaxing a little bit. I'll have the usual
out for the podcast, the usual two episodes, but the
second episode of this series will not be out until Saturday,
and that episode will be all about Sarah Kellen Vickers,
and we'll pick up right where we left off here
in her story. So now everyone who just started listening
to the podcast, and everybody even who has been listening,
you got a refresher course and all of the new
folks are listening, got an idea of what exactly we're
talking about. When we meet, we talk about the four horsemen,
I mean the four of the core four. So now
that we're all up to date moving forward, nobody will
have any problems understanding who these ladies are as we
move the series forward. All right, folks, if you'd like
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at Bobby Underscore c ap u Cci. What's up, everyone,
and welcome back to the Epstein Chronicles. One of the
most confounding questions when it comes to Jeffrey Epstein and
his criminal enterprise is how is it that Glene Maxwell
is the only one that's sitting in jail? Now, don't
get it twisted. She's exactly where she belongs. But there's
a lot of other people that belong in jail cells
as well, and you don't have to look far to
find those names. Leslie Groff, Adrianna Ross, Sarah kelln Vickers,
now Nadia marson Kova. That's a special case. I've talked
about her at length, and the fact that she was
purchased by Jeffrey Epstein allegedly when she was a child
and groomed into that role. That's a whole last different matter.
Now the other three, Adriana Ross, Leslie Groff and Sarah
Kellen Vickers, they all should be brought in, They should
all be deposed, and there's certainly enough evidence here to
build a case. The question is why has no case
been built? And we've heard for years and years about
the co conspirators and how the case wasn't over yet. Well,
sure looks over to me. Has there been any sort
of movement? Has anyone been brought in? And let's not
act like these core documents are giving us new information.
It's just reaffirming the stuff that we knew previously. I mean,
Judge Nathan during the Maxwell trial called Sarah Kelln Vickers
part of the criminal operation. Is that not enough to
get something kicked off here and have her brought in
at the very least, have her brought in, put her
under oath and let's see what comes of it. But
we haven't even seen that yet. So when they talk
about their robust investigation behind the scenes. I have to
say that it's bullshit. Today's article is from the Dailymail
dot Com and the headline as new documents uncovered details
about sex trafficking conspiracy. Why weren't these four women in
the dock with Glaine for also enabling Epstein? And that's
the million dollar question, isn't it. How is it that
these other co conspirators get off and Gleann Maxwell's the
only one sitting in a jail cell. Now, don't get
it twisted. Like I said, Maxwell definitely belongs in a
jail cell. But what about the other co conspirators. This
article was authored by Stephen Wright. One evening in twenty
twenty one, I knocked on the door of a smart
detached house in a leafy suburb of West ponm Beach, Florida.
The woman who answered was sixty year old called Dorothy.
She was babysitting her grandchildren and her daughter, Carolyn Andreano
on the property. I dearly wanted to speak to Carolyn.
I knew that she had an explosive, shocking, poignant story
to tell. A few weeks later, I had heard her
give her harrowing snapshot of her traumatic life from the
witness box of a Manhattan courthouse, where she testified against
her sex abuser, the fallen British socialite Gallinne Maxwell. Dorothy
and I immediately hit it off. We both passionately believed
that the American legal and political establishment had engaged in
a cynical cover up to protect powerful, influential, and often
wealthy figures linked to Jeffrey Epstein's scandal. And I don't
think anyone who's followed along thinks any different. Just take
a look. All you have to do is look at
the receipts that have been provided, Look at all the
people who have been caught up, look at all the
people who enabled this sick fuck. And we're talking about
a criminal conspiracy that spanned continence. Over the course of
three hours, the straight talking New Yorker explained what it
was like to be the mother of an Epstein Maxwell victim,
and years earlier, she had thought her fourteen year old
daughter was topping up her pocket money by cleaning a
house for a wealthy man who lived in a mansion
in Palm Beach. In reality, Carolyn was being paid three
hundred dollars out of time to give Epstein sexualized massages,
while similar sums were offered for her to find other
underage girls for the same perverted purpose. The money was
used to feed Carolyn's drug habit, And unfortunately, that's a
tale that's all too common when you have somebody who
has suffered sexual abuse or violence, A lot of times
they turned to drugs to try to escape their reality,
and as we all know, that leads to disaster. That
meeting with Dorothy paved the way for a world exclusive
mail interview with Carolyn a week later. Tragically, however, that
young woman's life ended far too soon, tormented by her
childhood experiences at the hands of Epstein and Maxwell. Carolyn,
a striking five foot nine inch larger than live character
with the mane of dyed red curls, died of an
overdose in Florida in a hotel room last May. She
was just thirty six and left behind five children and
her husband John. This week, memories of my twenty twenty
one meeting with Dorothy came flooding back after the names
of dozens of people connected to Epstein were made public
in three large releases in court documents. They include Prince Andrew,
former US President Bill Clinton, who was alleged by Epstein
to like them young, and a host of other famous
or infamous individuals, including the late pedophile of pop Michael Jackson,
the celebrity magician David Copperfield, and even the famed British
physicist step Even Hawking. The sheer scale of the releases,
many hundreds of pages, made me reflect on a simple question,
how can it be in a case so vast which
saw the organized sex trafficking of scores of miners and
young women, only one person, Glenn Maxwell, is now in
prison And that is a legit gripe because while Maxwell
certainly deserves to be there, there are a lot of
other people who deserve to be there too, And for
my money, we should start with the core four now,
marson Kova, Like I said earlier, that's a special case.
But the other three forget it. I have no empathy
for any of them. Grown ass women knew exactly what
they were doing, getting rich while they were helping Jeffrey
Epstein abuse little girls. I mean, how much more clear
could it be? Yet these women are out there running
around free living the high life. In twenty twenty one,
Maxwell was convicted unanimously of five of the six charges
against her. Four of the guilty verdicts were underpinned by
Carolyn's allegations. The most serious offense, sex trafficking of a minor,
related to Carolyn's case alone and carried a maximum forty
year jail term. Having sat through weeks of evidence at
Maxwell's trial, I had no doubt that she deserved to
be sent to jail for a long time, and I
share that sentiment. There is no doubt that Maxwell is
exactly where she belongs. She played her a part. She wasn't,
you know, a shrinking violet. She wasn't along for the ride.
She was a key cog in the machine. And without
Glenn Maxwell, this abuse never takes place. But just giving
us Maxwell is not enough. There were other people involved
and they need to be held to account too. It
was clear that she had lost her moral compass. The
case against her was overwhelming, while her refusal to give
evidence at trial seemed to me a mark of both
her cowardice and her guilt. Look, when you show up
to trial and you show up with nothing in your hands,
you're in big trouble. You might as well just plead guilty.
The burden is on the state, But that doesn't mean
you don't have to prove your bullshit. You can't just
show up there claims and be like, all right, that's
the end of it. I'm heading home. You better be
able to back that shit up and glay. Maxwell, besides
loopholes and technicalities, had zero strategy. Nevertheless, the justice system
only works when it's fair, and my overriding feeling at
the end of the trial was that Maxwell should not
have been the sole person to face justice, that others
had got away with it. What about the drivers, pilots,
domestic staff, and crucially young women who witness suspicious activity
by Epstein and Maxwell or actively recruited girls to be abused.
What was found on all the computers and security video
sees from Epstein's homes. What powerful individuals knew of or
perhaps even shared in his crimes. There are so many
unanswered questions, and that's why, after all these years, we're
still here asking those very same questions, and unfortunately we
still have no answers. The good news is me and
my fat mouth plan on asking these questions and until
we get some answers. Detectives are supposed to go where
the evidence takes them, but it would seem that after
allowing Epstein to chieve justice twice, first in a scandalous
plea bargain he struck with prosecutors in two thousand and eight,
and then by apparently committing suicide in prison in twenty nineteen,
the US authorities seem happy to have nailed Maxwell, have
they turned the blind eye to the activities of other offenders.
For example, allegations against a number of women suspected of
sex trafficking for Epstein have been allowed to wither on
the vine. Namely, in the wake of Maxwell's conviction, prosecutors
have faced calls to bring charges against four women previously
granted immunity from prosecution. Those are the women that I
have dubbed the core four. And these were the women
that made the whole entire thing move for Jeffrey Epstein.
Without these women, no way it would happen. And that
includes Maxwell. She was the boss. Look at it like
the mafia. You have Jeffrey Epstein, he's the don, maxwells
then all of these lieutenants, they're the capos. And if
this was the mafia, well everybody would have went to jail.
How come here only Maxwell went to jail. They include
Sarah Kellen personal assistant to Maxwell and Epstein. She has
been dubbed Epstein's lieutenant for allegedly recruiting and booking girls
for his massages. During Maxwell's trial, Kellen's name came up
almost as much as the defendants. And this is something
I've been yelling about from mountaintops for years. Sarah Kellen
Vickers was directly named in the courtroom by the judge.
How is it that her door hasn't been kicked in yet?
Carolyn Andreano claimed that for the first year or two
after she met Maxwell, aged fourteen, the latter called her
to schedule massages for Epstein. After that it was miss
Kellen who called her Sarah Ransom. Another victim told The
New York Times it was Golaine and Sarah Kellen that
showed me how to please Jeffrey. Kellen has said, I've
been made out to be such a monster, but it's
not true. I was raped and abused weekly. So if
that's the case, how come you plead the fifth When
he got arrested the first time. You could have sent
him to prison forever. If that was the case, and
he truly did abuse you, you could have sent him
to jail prison for the rest of his life. Instead,
what did you do? You pleaded the fifth? Right, Oh,
I'm going to plead the fifth. I'm gonna be protected
by this NPA, so go get stuffed. I don't believe
for a minute that Sarah Kelln Vickers was some kind
of abused girl here. I believe that Sarah Kelln Vickers
was doing the abusing. A second young woman who has
been under close scrutiny in the wake of the release
of the latest Epstein documents is Adriana Ross, a former
Polish model for the Elite Agency who allegedly helped to
organize the pedophile's daily massages. She moved to the US
in two thousand and two and worked at his mansion
in Palm Beach, Florida, flying frequently on his private jet
nicknamed the Lolita Express, including with Clinton. Oh, good old
Billy Boy. During a civil deposition in twenty ten, she
was asked, has Prince Andrew ever been involved with underage
minor females to your knowledge? Have you ever met him?
Have you flown on Epstein's plane with Andrew? She declined
to comment. So again, if you really were in fear
of your life, you were being abused, and the government
had this dude in the crossairs. Finally, why didn't you
step forward? Why didn't you help move things along? Now
all of a sudden that you're in the spotlight for
being one of the sick foxs who was raping people.
Now all of a sudden, you're a victim too. We're
not buying it. Save that shit for somebody else. The
third woman who has been under suspicion is Nadia marson Kova,
according to police documents from two thousand and five Palm
Beach inquiry and d Apstein, the shame financier once bragged
she was his sex slave and he had bought her
from her family in the former Yugoslavia when she was fifteen. Now, look,
this is serious business, and marson Kova, I don't think
can be put on the same level as the other women.
She was bought at fifteen years. You want to talk
about Stockholm syndrome, you want to talk about grooming, it's
like some fucking Hitler youth type shit. You get a
kid this age, you normalize all this. Then by the
time she's of age, this is her normal life. So
when we talk about Nadia marson Kova, I think we
have to be very very careful putting her in the
same category as the other three. Miss Marsonkova is alleged
to have taken part in sexual encounters with underage girls.
She visited him sixty seven times in prison while he
was serving thirteen months in jail in two thousand and
eight for having sex with children. Her lawyers insist she
was a victim and not an abuser, and I have
to say I agree with them. Now she has to
face the music, right, she has to come forward, and
she has to talk about everything she knows. But as
far as punishment, I would think, with her special circumstances
that that would be something that the state or the
federal government would take into consideration. Leslie Groff is the
fourth woman who may have further questions to answer. She
is said to have been Epstein's executive assistant for twenty years.
In two thousand and five, she boasted that she had
such a tight bond with her boss that I know
what he is thinking. Epstein's victims have described her as
one of his schedulers based at his seventy five million
dollar New York home. One such victim, Jennifer Areos, claims
that she was fourteen when Epstein began abusing and raping her,
and that miss Groff was the chief scheduler of her massages.
Two years ago, ms Groff, then fifty five, was living
in a two point seven million dollar house in Connecticut
with her husband and children. Her lawyers said she had
been under investigation by prosecutors for the past two years,
but had been told that they had no plans to
charge her. Can you imagine how in the hell is
that even possible? If you're even sniffing around a conspiracy,
a real conspiracy, and they're going to charge somebody. Everybody's
going down? What the federal prosecutors aren't gonna just nail
everybody and then figure it out later. But all of
a sudden, here it's very targeted, right, ask yourselves why?
And really you should ask yourselves this question. How come
there is no RICO here? This needs to be a
RICO case. This is exactly what the RICO laws were
put on the books for. And if it's good enough
for John Gottie, it's good enough for Jeffrey Epstein and
Glenn Maxwell. And here a fifth woman who perhaps epitomizes
the often complex relationship between abuser and abused. In her
exclusive twenty twenty two interview with The Mail, for which
she was not paid, Carolyn alleged that Virginia Roberts had
told her in two thousand and one that as a
seventeen year old, she slept with Prince Andrew in London,
while the now infamous contemporary picture shows Roberts posing at
Maxwell's home with the late Queen's second son. Carolyn's account
was the first time there had been any independent report
of Virginia's purported meeting with Andrew, which the Duke maintains
he cannot remember unless we're talking about on the island,
because we have somebody who came forward and said the
same exact thing. We have a worker who came forward
down there and said, look, I saw Virginia with Prince
Andrew on this island. So there's more corroboration, there, more receipts.
Carolyn made it clear she held Virginia responsible for delivering
her into Epstein and Maxwell's clutches. For her part, Miss
Roberts has admitted that she actively recruited young girls for Epstein,
something she says she now bitterly regrets that was all
part of it. Unfortunately, the only way you were going
to stick around is if you brought other girls. The
only way you're going to make more money is if
you added to the stable. So it was a disgusting
cycle of abuse. And the sad part is it was
allowed to go on for all these years. Even though
Maria Farmer and Annie Farmer told the FBI what was
going on in the mid nineties, this shit was allowed
to go on, and Carolyn was scathing of Maxwell now
sixty two, I want all women to know what happened
to me when I was a teenager and how it
has affected my life, she told us. I want to
be a voice for all survivors of sexual abuse so
that they are not afraid to come forward. Even years later,
privately educated Maxwell continues to protest her innocence and is
reportedly conducting etiquette lessons for fellow inmates at Tallahassee Federal
Correctional Institution in Florida, where she is serving a twenty
year sentence for child abuse and sex trafficking. Her pedophile
ex boyfriend took as many secrets to the grave, and
not everyone believes he truly committed suicide. A few days
after Carolyn gave evidence against Maxwell. She sent her mother
a YouTube video featuring a song called I Don't Feel
any More. Dorothy played it to me, and, for the
first time in our interview, wept as she listened to
the lyrics. I have always felt like I don't belong here.
It's been a lot year, it's been a long life.
How heartbreaking is that that's the memory you have of
your daughter after all of this bullshit. And if everybody
else is gonna forget what happened here, if everybody else
is just gonna move on to a new story, well
that's cool. We're not gonna do that here. I can
chew gum and walk at the same time. We'll continue
to pound home on this story until there's nothing left
to pound home on. Tears phill Dorothy's eyes as she
reflected on her daughter's mental state. Nobody knows how deep
this goes, she says, I don't know whether she is
going to be alive from one day to another. Now,
tragically she is gone, and with the world's attention once
again focusing on Epstein, questions will surely continue to mount
for those who may evaded and embedded his sordid crimes,
and people like Carolyn, they deserve us moving forward as
their surrogates to demand action, to demand justice, and for
me at least, that remains non negotiable. All right, folks,
that's going to do it for this one. All the
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