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The names 21 00:01:53,200 --> 00:02:05,439 have been changed to protect the innocent. You're a detective sergeant. 22 00:02:05,640 --> 00:02:10,800 You're assigned a homicide detail. A wealthy retired businessman suddenly disappears. 23 00:02:11,599 --> 00:02:15,000 You've got two possibilities to work on. Suspicion of suicide, 24 00:02:15,240 --> 00:02:19,000 suspicion of foul play. There's no lead to the man's whereabouts. 25 00:02:19,599 --> 00:02:31,120 Your job find him. 26 00:02:31,199 --> 00:02:35,080 Speaker 4: Dragnet the document a drama of an actual crime. While 27 00:02:35,120 --> 00:02:37,879 the next thirty minutes, in cooperation with the Los Angeles 28 00:02:37,960 --> 00:02:40,919 Police Department, you will travel step by step on the 29 00:02:40,960 --> 00:02:43,560 side of the law through an actual case transcribed from 30 00:02:43,599 --> 00:02:48,039 official police buyers, from beginning to end, from crime to punishment. 31 00:02:48,520 --> 00:02:51,120 Dragnet is the story of your police force in action. 32 00:02:56,039 --> 00:02:59,080 Speaker 2: It was Wednesday, February sixth. That was cold in Los Angeles. 33 00:02:59,080 --> 00:03:02,240 We're working the day out a homicide detail. My partner's 34 00:03:02,240 --> 00:03:04,800 Ben Romero, the boss of stat Brown, Chief of Detectives. 35 00:03:04,879 --> 00:03:06,719 My name is Friday. I was on the way back 36 00:03:06,759 --> 00:03:08,879 from the record Bureau and it was eleven eighteen am 37 00:03:08,879 --> 00:03:13,759 when I got to Room forty two, Homicide Joe Hid. 38 00:03:13,800 --> 00:03:15,639 She show up, Ye yeah, a couple of minutes ago. 39 00:03:15,680 --> 00:03:17,120 She's waiting for us now in the next room or 40 00:03:17,319 --> 00:03:18,240 did you talk to her at all? 41 00:03:18,439 --> 00:03:20,520 Speaker 5: No, seems to be a nice enough woman. I don't 42 00:03:20,520 --> 00:03:23,280 know how much help she's gonna be. Yeah, go ahead, Yeah, 43 00:03:27,560 --> 00:03:29,719 Miss Banner'd like to have you meet my partner, Sergeant 44 00:03:29,719 --> 00:03:31,400 Friday Joe. This is Miss Benner. 45 00:03:31,560 --> 00:03:31,800 Speaker 2: Hello. 46 00:03:31,960 --> 00:03:34,520 Speaker 6: I'm sorry I wasn't home when you stopped by yesterday's sergeant. 47 00:03:34,520 --> 00:03:36,120 I got the card you left, though, I called him 48 00:03:36,120 --> 00:03:36,960 as soon as I got home. 49 00:03:37,080 --> 00:03:39,080 Speaker 2: Well, thanks for coming in, Miss Banner. We have a 50 00:03:39,080 --> 00:03:41,199 few questions we'd like to ask. You won't take very long. 51 00:03:41,400 --> 00:03:43,919 Speaker 5: We have a communication from a Lattice Dylan back in 52 00:03:43,960 --> 00:03:46,280 New York. Miss Bannart's about her brother at Chester Dylan. 53 00:03:46,680 --> 00:03:48,520 We understand you rented his home from him. I don't 54 00:03:48,520 --> 00:03:49,919 know it's on Avenue, mister Dylan. 55 00:03:50,039 --> 00:03:51,879 Speaker 6: My yes, I've got a two year lease on the house. 56 00:03:51,919 --> 00:03:53,360 I rented it Friming last November. 57 00:03:53,400 --> 00:03:55,800 Speaker 2: Well, according to the letter we got from mister Dylan's sisters, 58 00:03:55,800 --> 00:03:57,680 she's worried about him. She hasn't heard from him in 59 00:03:57,719 --> 00:04:00,439 some time. Have you any idea where we could contact Well? 60 00:04:00,439 --> 00:04:01,879 Speaker 6: The last I heard he left on a trip to 61 00:04:01,919 --> 00:04:03,919 New York. That was about eight weeks ago, i'd say. 62 00:04:04,439 --> 00:04:06,560 You see, I usually sent a check for the rent 63 00:04:06,680 --> 00:04:08,400 the apartment he had here, and when he left on 64 00:04:08,400 --> 00:04:09,719 his trip, he told me to hold on to the 65 00:04:09,759 --> 00:04:11,520 rent checks and he'd collect him when he got back. 66 00:04:11,599 --> 00:04:14,159 Speaker 5: How long did he say he'd be gone, I don't. 67 00:04:13,919 --> 00:04:16,000 Speaker 6: Remember, definitely. I think he said four or five months. 68 00:04:16,079 --> 00:04:18,199 Speaker 2: He didn't leave any forwarding address, any place you could 69 00:04:18,240 --> 00:04:19,160 contact him back east. 70 00:04:19,319 --> 00:04:21,560 Speaker 6: No, he didn't. He just wanted to get away, didn't 71 00:04:21,560 --> 00:04:23,879 want to be bothered with anyone. He wasn't feeling very well, 72 00:04:24,279 --> 00:04:25,480 very depressed. Poor man. 73 00:04:25,759 --> 00:04:26,639 Speaker 2: Well, why was that, ma'am? 74 00:04:26,639 --> 00:04:28,879 Speaker 6: Do you know his wife's died just a few months ago? 75 00:04:28,920 --> 00:04:30,319 Speaker 5: You know, no, man, we didn't know. 76 00:04:30,399 --> 00:04:32,079 Speaker 2: What we got from his sister was that she hadn't 77 00:04:32,120 --> 00:04:32,720 heard from Dylan. 78 00:04:32,839 --> 00:04:35,560 Speaker 5: She was worrying. She didn't give us any other information. 79 00:04:36,120 --> 00:04:39,480 Speaker 6: Yes, missus, Dylan died in last September. I think it 80 00:04:39,600 --> 00:04:43,079 was poor man felt terrible about it, couldn't seem to 81 00:04:43,079 --> 00:04:45,040 get over it. That's why he rented the house to me. 82 00:04:45,519 --> 00:04:48,199 Reminded him too much of her. Yes, I understand, lovely 83 00:04:48,279 --> 00:04:51,079 home they have. Mister Dolan said he really didn't want 84 00:04:51,079 --> 00:04:52,879 to rent it, but he couldn't standing alone in the 85 00:04:52,879 --> 00:04:54,319 house was a large place, you know. 86 00:04:54,439 --> 00:04:56,680 Speaker 2: Yes, ma'am. We checked with the people living in the house. 87 00:04:56,759 --> 00:04:58,879 Now we understand you least the place to them. Last 88 00:04:58,879 --> 00:04:59,920 month I stub least. 89 00:05:00,160 --> 00:05:01,879 Speaker 6: Yes, you see, it just got too big for me. 90 00:05:02,319 --> 00:05:04,079 It was nice at first, but it got to be 91 00:05:04,120 --> 00:05:06,600 an awfu lot of work. I rented to this family 92 00:05:06,639 --> 00:05:08,079 and took a smaller house on the street. 93 00:05:08,279 --> 00:05:10,399 Speaker 5: Would you happen to know any of mister Dylon's friends 94 00:05:10,399 --> 00:05:12,480 in the city, Miss Banner, anyone we could contact, he 95 00:05:12,639 --> 00:05:14,879 might know where we'd be locat him. I don't know. 96 00:05:14,959 --> 00:05:16,920 Speaker 6: We didn't seem to have any friends, see, and his 97 00:05:16,959 --> 00:05:18,720 wife had only been in the city a year before 98 00:05:18,759 --> 00:05:19,160 she died. 99 00:05:19,160 --> 00:05:21,279 Speaker 5: He was retired, you know, Yes, man, we talked to 100 00:05:21,319 --> 00:05:22,879 some of the neighbors out there. They couldn't tell us 101 00:05:22,959 --> 00:05:23,519 much about him. 102 00:05:23,879 --> 00:05:25,920 Speaker 6: Maybe some of the people he did business with might 103 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:28,439 know something. If he tried the neighborhood bank out there. 104 00:05:28,560 --> 00:05:30,360 I know that's where mister Dollan had his account. 105 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:31,519 Speaker 2: No, man, we haven't yet. 106 00:05:31,600 --> 00:05:33,639 Speaker 6: Well, I can give you the bank's address. It's about 107 00:05:33,639 --> 00:05:34,079 all though. 108 00:05:34,279 --> 00:05:35,639 Speaker 5: That's the only contact, you know. 109 00:05:35,680 --> 00:05:38,480 Speaker 6: I'm afraid so, yes, I didn't know much about mister 110 00:05:38,519 --> 00:05:41,519 Dolan's private affairs. Whenever I talked to him, it seemed 111 00:05:41,519 --> 00:05:42,959 the only thing he had on his mind was his 112 00:05:43,000 --> 00:05:45,920 wife's death. It couldn't seem to get over it. It 113 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:47,480 seemed like he didn't want to get over it. 114 00:05:47,879 --> 00:05:50,120 Speaker 2: You mentioned that when you leased his home, mister Dylan 115 00:05:50,160 --> 00:05:52,120 took an apartment. Do you happen to have that address 116 00:05:52,120 --> 00:05:52,519 with Banner? 117 00:05:52,879 --> 00:05:54,720 Speaker 6: Well, I don't have it with me now, but I 118 00:05:54,759 --> 00:05:56,319 have it at home. I can call in and give 119 00:05:56,319 --> 00:05:56,959 it to you if you like. 120 00:05:57,000 --> 00:05:59,439 Speaker 5: If you would for you certainly, well, thank you very much, 121 00:05:59,439 --> 00:06:01,240 Miss Benning. You have our card, and when you hear 122 00:06:01,279 --> 00:06:03,279 anything at all from mister dinnan, we'd appreciate it if 123 00:06:03,279 --> 00:06:03,720 you could call. 124 00:06:03,759 --> 00:06:06,199 Speaker 6: And surely I'll call you right away. Do you think 125 00:06:06,240 --> 00:06:07,399 something could have happened to him? 126 00:06:07,399 --> 00:06:09,439 Speaker 2: Well as possible, we don't know. All we have is 127 00:06:09,439 --> 00:06:10,360 a letter from his sister. 128 00:06:10,560 --> 00:06:14,199 Speaker 6: Does seem kind of strange, doesn't It wasn't feeling too well. 129 00:06:14,360 --> 00:06:16,759 I wondered why he hadn't contacted me about sending the 130 00:06:16,759 --> 00:06:19,319 rent money to him. He was such a nice man, 131 00:06:19,360 --> 00:06:21,560 mister Dylan. I certainly hope nothing's happened to him. 132 00:06:21,560 --> 00:06:24,319 Speaker 2: Well, you say it was very depressed about his wife's death. Man, 133 00:06:24,759 --> 00:06:26,240 would you say that it was getting to be a 134 00:06:26,240 --> 00:06:27,319 little abnormal with him? 135 00:06:27,319 --> 00:06:27,600 Speaker 5: Maybe? 136 00:06:27,839 --> 00:06:30,720 Speaker 6: Well, I wouldn't know about that, sergeant, But I didn't know. 137 00:06:30,759 --> 00:06:32,480 He brooded about it all the time, he felt that 138 00:06:32,519 --> 00:06:35,439 he'd lost everything, didn't seem to want to go on. 139 00:06:35,639 --> 00:06:37,839 Speaker 5: Uh huh. He ever give an indication that maybe he 140 00:06:37,920 --> 00:06:40,199 might take his own life. I mean, all this brooding 141 00:06:40,240 --> 00:06:40,879 over his wife. 142 00:06:41,040 --> 00:06:46,079 Speaker 6: Well, no, nothing definite, just depressed and moody all the time. Oh, 143 00:06:46,160 --> 00:06:47,839 now that I remember. The last time I saw him, 144 00:06:47,839 --> 00:06:49,519 he did say something kind of funny. 145 00:06:49,920 --> 00:06:50,360 Speaker 2: What was that. 146 00:06:50,399 --> 00:06:52,360 Speaker 6: It was the day before he left. We were talking 147 00:06:52,399 --> 00:06:53,839 about the rent money and I asked him if I 148 00:06:53,839 --> 00:06:55,759 couldn't send it to him. He got kind of a 149 00:06:55,800 --> 00:06:58,680 strange look on his face. Yeah, he said, where I'm going, 150 00:06:58,720 --> 00:06:59,680 I won't need the money. 151 00:07:01,800 --> 00:07:04,439 Speaker 2: The day before we called on Lucille Banner for an interview, 152 00:07:04,519 --> 00:07:06,800 a letter had been received from a Miss Gladys Dlon 153 00:07:06,839 --> 00:07:10,399 in Elmira, New York. Her request was routine. It was 154 00:07:10,439 --> 00:07:13,000 one of thousands of similar letters received every year by 155 00:07:13,000 --> 00:07:15,959 police departments all over the country. Each one of them 156 00:07:15,959 --> 00:07:17,959 has to be worked out to the satisfaction of all 157 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:21,279 parties concerned, the person who's reported missing and the person 158 00:07:21,319 --> 00:07:24,519 looking for them. It's an enormous job, requiring thousands of 159 00:07:24,560 --> 00:07:28,279 man hours annually. Like the dozens of other investigations handled 160 00:07:28,319 --> 00:07:30,399 by the police officers, some of the men happily, some 161 00:07:30,480 --> 00:07:33,519 of them in tragedy. Whatever the result, the finding of 162 00:07:33,560 --> 00:07:35,600 a lost person is just as important a function of 163 00:07:35,600 --> 00:07:39,560 your local police department as any other investigation. Gladys Dylan 164 00:07:39,639 --> 00:07:42,560 hadn't heard from her brother recently. She was worried about him. 165 00:07:42,600 --> 00:07:46,360 She asked us to investigate. Our initial interview with Lucille Banner, 166 00:07:46,399 --> 00:07:49,000 the woman who had rented Chester Dillon's home, failed to 167 00:07:49,040 --> 00:07:51,399 yield much of a lead as to us whereabouts. The 168 00:07:51,439 --> 00:07:53,720 only source of additional information she could offer was the 169 00:07:53,720 --> 00:07:57,759 neighborhood bank where Dylan had his account. One o'clock that afternoon, 170 00:07:57,920 --> 00:07:59,680 Ben and I drove out to interview the manager of 171 00:07:59,680 --> 00:08:03,800 the bank. Think I'm mister Harrison. Yes, that's right. 172 00:08:03,879 --> 00:08:05,959 Speaker 5: Mister Dylan's Pedd's account with us ever since he came 173 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:06,839 to Los Angeles. 174 00:08:07,000 --> 00:08:08,959 Speaker 7: I know him quite well. Is it something you'd like to. 175 00:08:08,920 --> 00:08:09,439 Speaker 5: Know about him? 176 00:08:09,519 --> 00:08:10,199 Speaker 2: Yes, sir, there is. 177 00:08:10,240 --> 00:08:12,199 Speaker 5: We had a request from his sister in New York 178 00:08:12,279 --> 00:08:15,040 she'd like to locate. I'm pretty sure his account is 179 00:08:15,079 --> 00:08:18,000 still open here. Matter of fact, I'm positivity at this moment. 180 00:08:18,040 --> 00:08:19,480 I'll have one of the quirts get him fired. 181 00:08:19,519 --> 00:08:19,759 Speaker 2: All right. 182 00:08:19,759 --> 00:08:22,560 Speaker 5: I think it was sure. I had to reminds me. 183 00:08:22,600 --> 00:08:23,360 I almost forgot. 184 00:08:23,600 --> 00:08:23,839 Speaker 2: What's that. 185 00:08:24,040 --> 00:08:25,439 Speaker 5: I've got to get to the bank to morew for 186 00:08:25,480 --> 00:08:27,720 sure payment all my cars. The day passed you already 187 00:08:28,079 --> 00:08:29,800 when he got two Mayman's left, when we we were 188 00:08:29,839 --> 00:08:32,240 doing fine. I got another eight months ago. I'm not 189 00:08:32,320 --> 00:08:34,559 so fine. Two more famous to go, and now the 190 00:08:34,639 --> 00:08:37,639 wife once a knew and never failure. Here we are, sergeant, 191 00:08:37,840 --> 00:08:40,480 Just as I thought, mister Dylan's account is still open 192 00:08:40,519 --> 00:08:40,799 for her. 193 00:08:40,960 --> 00:08:43,519 Speaker 2: Is there been any recent deposits or withdrawals on the account? 194 00:08:44,320 --> 00:08:49,159 Speaker 7: I never look here, Uh huh, just as. 195 00:08:49,080 --> 00:08:51,279 Speaker 5: I thought nothing Since he left on his trip. That 196 00:08:51,399 --> 00:08:54,279 last withdrawal date was November twenty seventh. He mentioned to 197 00:08:54,320 --> 00:08:56,360 you that he was going on on trip, did he yes? 198 00:08:56,399 --> 00:08:57,879 I think he said he was going back to New York, 199 00:08:57,960 --> 00:08:59,360 more or less a vacation trip. 200 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:02,639 Speaker 7: His wife died recently. He didn't take it too well. 201 00:09:02,720 --> 00:09:05,039 Speaker 2: Yes, we understand. Did he leave any instructions about his 202 00:09:05,039 --> 00:09:07,120 account with you, mister Harrison. Then he addressed you could 203 00:09:07,120 --> 00:09:08,240 contact him out if you had to. 204 00:09:08,600 --> 00:09:11,679 Speaker 5: No, he didn't leave any instructions with me, no address, 205 00:09:12,120 --> 00:09:14,039 just a vacation trip. He said he didn't expect to 206 00:09:14,039 --> 00:09:16,200 be gone too long. Did he mention how long it 207 00:09:16,200 --> 00:09:16,600 would be? 208 00:09:17,120 --> 00:09:19,120 Speaker 2: Five or six weeks? I think that's what he said. 209 00:09:19,759 --> 00:09:21,360 Speaker 5: I happened to talk to him about it because at 210 00:09:21,360 --> 00:09:23,440 the time he made it quite a sizable withdrawal. 211 00:09:23,679 --> 00:09:25,600 Speaker 7: I thought maybe he was a little unhappy. 212 00:09:25,159 --> 00:09:25,799 Speaker 5: With our service. 213 00:09:26,240 --> 00:09:27,639 Speaker 2: How much was it withdraws? 214 00:09:28,120 --> 00:09:32,679 Speaker 5: See here it is November twenty seventh. He withdrew twenty 215 00:09:32,720 --> 00:09:33,480 four hundred dollars. 216 00:09:33,600 --> 00:09:35,279 Speaker 2: Was that in cash or in travelers checks? 217 00:09:35,399 --> 00:09:35,559 Speaker 6: You know? 218 00:09:38,279 --> 00:09:40,840 Speaker 5: I show to hear that it was in cash. Mister Harrison. 219 00:09:40,840 --> 00:09:42,720 You said a minute ago that you knew mister didn't 220 00:09:42,720 --> 00:09:43,279 pretty well. 221 00:09:43,360 --> 00:09:44,120 Speaker 2: Yes, that's right. 222 00:09:44,159 --> 00:09:46,000 Speaker 5: He used to stop and chat with me whenever he'd 223 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:48,000 come in the bank. That was usually once a week. 224 00:09:48,200 --> 00:09:50,919 I didn't know him socially, though. You mentioned he seemed 225 00:09:50,960 --> 00:09:53,759 to take his wife's death pretty hard. Yeah, what would 226 00:09:53,759 --> 00:09:56,960 you say his mental condition was last time doing all right? 227 00:09:57,039 --> 00:09:59,519 I'd say just after his wife's death. He wasn't in 228 00:09:59,600 --> 00:10:02,519 very good shape. Brooded about it quite a bit, and 229 00:10:02,600 --> 00:10:04,440 he began to pull out of it. Seemed to be 230 00:10:04,480 --> 00:10:07,679 in a fairly good friend of mind, planned its vacation. 231 00:10:07,960 --> 00:10:09,000 Speaker 7: He was looking forward to it. 232 00:10:09,039 --> 00:10:11,279 Speaker 2: And I see, why do you ask something wrong? 233 00:10:11,519 --> 00:10:11,639 Speaker 1: No? 234 00:10:11,720 --> 00:10:13,919 Speaker 2: Sure, not that we know of. Routine checked, that's about 235 00:10:13,919 --> 00:10:17,120 the size. Does Dylan have any other real estate besides 236 00:10:17,159 --> 00:10:19,000 the house on Rosson Avenue? Would you have know that? 237 00:10:19,759 --> 00:10:19,840 Speaker 8: Not? 238 00:10:20,080 --> 00:10:20,919 Speaker 7: To my knowledge. 239 00:10:21,039 --> 00:10:23,879 Speaker 5: No, he has no other business connections in Los Angeles. 240 00:10:24,320 --> 00:10:28,120 Here are all the references right here. See most of 241 00:10:28,120 --> 00:10:31,000 them are charge accounts and so forth. I remember the 242 00:10:31,039 --> 00:10:32,440 time he opened his account with us. 243 00:10:32,480 --> 00:10:34,720 Speaker 7: He told me he was retired. He and his wife 244 00:10:34,759 --> 00:10:35,679 came out here for their health. 245 00:10:35,879 --> 00:10:38,000 Speaker 2: Do they have any relatives out here? Do you know, Michai? 246 00:10:38,480 --> 00:10:40,600 Speaker 5: No, from what I understand, both of their families are 247 00:10:40,600 --> 00:10:42,879 in the East. You don't have any children, according to 248 00:10:42,879 --> 00:10:45,000 his application, very few relatives. 249 00:10:45,919 --> 00:10:48,519 Speaker 2: And since Dylan was in here last November to make 250 00:10:48,559 --> 00:10:50,879 that withdrawal, and you've had no communications from him at all? 251 00:10:51,320 --> 00:10:54,159 Speaker 5: No, sir, I haven't what seems to be the trouble. 252 00:10:54,200 --> 00:10:55,679 Speaker 7: Do you have an idea something might be wrong? 253 00:10:56,039 --> 00:10:59,679 Speaker 5: Nothing definite. No, we've been told about his feeling depressed 254 00:10:59,679 --> 00:11:01,720 over his wife's death, and there was some indication he 255 00:11:01,799 --> 00:11:05,240 might possibly have done away with himself after what chtold. 256 00:11:04,840 --> 00:11:05,879 Speaker 2: This doesn't seem too lightly. 257 00:11:06,399 --> 00:11:06,799 Speaker 5: I don't know. 258 00:11:06,840 --> 00:11:08,879 Speaker 2: I wouldn't like to commit myself. As I say. 259 00:11:08,960 --> 00:11:11,360 Speaker 7: He didn't seem to be getting over it. I didn't 260 00:11:11,360 --> 00:11:11,759 know him. 261 00:11:11,679 --> 00:11:12,320 Speaker 2: That well though. 262 00:11:12,440 --> 00:11:16,039 Speaker 5: It might be entirely possibly he was devoted to missus Fillon. 263 00:11:16,600 --> 00:11:18,360 Maybe he could have picked his own life. I don't know. 264 00:11:18,720 --> 00:11:21,360 Speaker 2: Well, it leaves a big question to answered. Let's say, 265 00:11:21,840 --> 00:11:23,559 why do you need the twenty four hundred dollars to 266 00:11:23,600 --> 00:11:28,519 do it? One t five PM we continued interviewing the 267 00:11:28,559 --> 00:11:30,799 bank manager, mister Harrison, but he was unable to come 268 00:11:30,840 --> 00:11:33,559 up with any further leads. Before we left the bank, 269 00:11:33,639 --> 00:11:35,440 he gave us a complete list of all of Chester 270 00:11:35,480 --> 00:11:38,399 Dillon's references. We gave him our card and he told 271 00:11:38,480 --> 00:11:40,799 us he would pass along immediately any information he might 272 00:11:40,840 --> 00:11:44,720 get on the whereabouts of mister Dylan. One five we 273 00:11:44,759 --> 00:11:46,480 went back to the office, where we got a call 274 00:11:46,480 --> 00:11:49,960 from Lucille Banner. She gave us Dylan's last known address 275 00:11:49,960 --> 00:11:52,240 and we drove out to check. It was an apartment 276 00:11:52,279 --> 00:11:54,759 court in the Pico Crenshaw area. We talked to the 277 00:11:54,799 --> 00:11:56,840 manager and she told us that Dylan had moved out 278 00:11:56,879 --> 00:12:00,399 three months before, on November twenty second. He told her 279 00:12:00,399 --> 00:12:02,039 that he was moving in with a close friend of his, 280 00:12:02,559 --> 00:12:05,159 and he gave her his forwarding address. It turned out 281 00:12:05,200 --> 00:12:07,559 to be a single story framed cottage located in one 282 00:12:07,600 --> 00:12:10,440 of the older residential districts of the city. The name 283 00:12:10,480 --> 00:12:13,480 on the mail box read Raymond L. Shaffer. We rang 284 00:12:13,519 --> 00:12:16,120 the bell and a man who identified himself as Raymond 285 00:12:16,200 --> 00:12:19,159 Shafer ushered us into a small living room. He told 286 00:12:19,240 --> 00:12:20,519 us that he was from the same town in the 287 00:12:20,559 --> 00:12:22,240 east that the Dylans came from, and that he was 288 00:12:22,279 --> 00:12:23,679 a longtime friend of theirs. 289 00:12:23,919 --> 00:12:26,399 Speaker 8: No, I haven't seen Chester for months. Last November, I 290 00:12:26,399 --> 00:12:27,879 think it was the last time I saw him. 291 00:12:28,000 --> 00:12:29,799 Speaker 5: You say at that time, Dylan was living in the 292 00:12:29,840 --> 00:12:32,679 apartment done in the Friends show areamsh Yeah, that's right. 293 00:12:32,799 --> 00:12:34,919 Speaker 2: You mean he never came here to live with you. No, 294 00:12:35,080 --> 00:12:36,320 it's just like I told you before. 295 00:12:36,320 --> 00:12:37,919 Speaker 8: He talked about moving in here with me, but he 296 00:12:38,000 --> 00:12:38,440 never did. 297 00:12:38,679 --> 00:12:40,519 Speaker 2: Haven't any idea where he is. Well. He gave your 298 00:12:40,639 --> 00:12:42,720 name here as a forwarding address, Shaffer. If you've been 299 00:12:42,720 --> 00:12:43,360 getting his mail. 300 00:12:43,600 --> 00:12:45,279 Speaker 8: Yeah, as a matter of fact, I have. He told 301 00:12:45,320 --> 00:12:47,159 me he was going to do that. Never came to 302 00:12:47,200 --> 00:12:47,840 pick it up, though. 303 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:48,720 Speaker 5: Seemed funny to me. 304 00:12:48,919 --> 00:12:50,279 Speaker 2: You're still getting his man here. 305 00:12:50,159 --> 00:12:50,639 Speaker 5: Is that right? 306 00:12:50,720 --> 00:12:50,919 Speaker 2: Yeah? 307 00:12:50,919 --> 00:12:52,679 Speaker 8: It's still coming. Not much of it, may be a 308 00:12:52,759 --> 00:12:55,000 letter a week, mostly builds and advertisment. 309 00:12:55,480 --> 00:12:57,399 Speaker 2: This list of names you've given us, sir, these are 310 00:12:57,440 --> 00:12:59,240 all the people in the east. Mister Dylon was acquainted 311 00:12:59,279 --> 00:13:01,960 with people in attacking his trip back there, that's all. 312 00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:03,519 I'm as far as I know. 313 00:13:03,559 --> 00:13:05,000 Speaker 7: He hadn't been back there yet, though. 314 00:13:05,240 --> 00:13:07,120 Speaker 2: How do you know that I've got a letter. 315 00:13:06,960 --> 00:13:08,720 Speaker 8: From my sister Gert a couple of days ago at 316 00:13:08,799 --> 00:13:10,639 Chester was in town. Girt would have known about it. 317 00:13:10,840 --> 00:13:12,279 He would have been sure to stop buy and see it. 318 00:13:12,840 --> 00:13:14,440 I wish I could help you tell you the truth. 319 00:13:14,440 --> 00:13:15,960 I'll get a little worried about it myself. 320 00:13:16,399 --> 00:13:18,679 Speaker 2: Well, just have one more question, mister Shaever, you know 321 00:13:18,679 --> 00:13:20,720 if mister Dylan was in the habit of carrying large 322 00:13:20,759 --> 00:13:22,080 sums of money around with him. 323 00:13:22,399 --> 00:13:25,440 Speaker 8: No, I don't think so. Chester was pretty cautious that way. 324 00:13:25,480 --> 00:13:26,639 He wasn't too free with a dollar. 325 00:13:26,720 --> 00:13:28,240 Speaker 2: You know, wold you'd happen to know if he had 326 00:13:28,279 --> 00:13:29,960 a large sum of money with him the last time 327 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:32,840 you saw him. No, if he did, he didn't mention it. 328 00:13:32,960 --> 00:13:35,159 Speaker 5: I see. You can't think of anything else that might 329 00:13:35,159 --> 00:13:37,279 give us a leader on mister Dinnon's worry about anything 330 00:13:37,320 --> 00:13:37,600 at all. 331 00:13:38,360 --> 00:13:40,840 Speaker 8: I think I've told you everything. I wish it was 332 00:13:40,840 --> 00:13:42,799 something I could tell you that it helped. I sure 333 00:13:42,840 --> 00:13:43,960 hope nothing's happened to him. 334 00:13:43,960 --> 00:13:45,919 Speaker 5: Yes, sir, And would you mind showing us that in 335 00:13:45,960 --> 00:13:47,279 there you're holding for dinner flee? 336 00:13:47,440 --> 00:13:51,440 Speaker 8: Oh sure, sir, he's right over here in the desk. 337 00:13:54,039 --> 00:13:55,240 Speaker 5: Here you are. That's all. 338 00:13:55,279 --> 00:13:58,159 Speaker 2: I thank you? 339 00:13:58,200 --> 00:14:00,679 Speaker 5: Anything, Joe or not much? 340 00:14:01,440 --> 00:14:05,320 Speaker 2: Bills circulars. There's one with a New York post may 341 00:14:05,960 --> 00:14:09,759 Al Maya, probably from his sister. Another one only three 342 00:14:09,840 --> 00:14:12,360 days old from the Union Department store. A couple more 343 00:14:12,360 --> 00:14:13,679 earlier dates on him. That's about it. 344 00:14:14,159 --> 00:14:17,200 Speaker 5: Yeah, I'll copy down and return that. Addresses on fine, 345 00:14:18,480 --> 00:14:22,559 mister Shaffer. Yeah, this suitcase for the desk here, initials 346 00:14:22,600 --> 00:14:25,519 on it, cold Yeah, CLD. 347 00:14:25,639 --> 00:14:26,480 Speaker 2: Is that your bag? Shaver? 348 00:14:27,080 --> 00:14:28,919 Speaker 8: Oh no, I forgot to tell you a chest to 349 00:14:29,000 --> 00:14:29,879 left that here one day? 350 00:14:30,120 --> 00:14:30,360 Speaker 2: Huh? 351 00:14:30,720 --> 00:14:32,759 Speaker 5: How was there? Well, that was one day just. 352 00:14:32,720 --> 00:14:35,360 Speaker 8: Before he was going to leave on his vacation he 353 00:14:35,399 --> 00:14:37,320 brought over here and said he'd like to leave it 354 00:14:37,320 --> 00:14:37,559 with me. 355 00:14:37,600 --> 00:14:38,600 Speaker 5: Forgot to mention it today. 356 00:14:38,960 --> 00:14:40,279 Speaker 2: Do you bring anything else with him? 357 00:14:40,360 --> 00:14:42,440 Speaker 8: Yeah, he brought another suitcase with him, just like this 358 00:14:42,519 --> 00:14:45,039 one I got in the other room. He said he 359 00:14:45,080 --> 00:14:46,879 wanted to leave him here while he was on his vacation. 360 00:14:47,000 --> 00:14:48,720 I'm sorry I forgot to mention it, or. 361 00:14:48,759 --> 00:14:51,519 Speaker 2: Maybe you forgot something else, Shaver? What most people take 362 00:14:51,559 --> 00:14:57,879 their suitcases on a trip, don't they? Two thirty pm 363 00:14:58,080 --> 00:15:01,320 we continued questioning Raymond Shaffer. We opened the two suitcases 364 00:15:01,360 --> 00:15:03,399 labeled with the initials of Chester Dyllon and found an 365 00:15:03,440 --> 00:15:06,000 assortment of personal items which Shaffer told us belonged to 366 00:15:06,039 --> 00:15:10,159 Dylan and his late wife. Small pictures, cigarette boxes, books, 367 00:15:10,200 --> 00:15:12,559 similar articles, which apparently would not be taken on a 368 00:15:12,639 --> 00:15:16,120 vacation trip. None of them were of any great value. 369 00:15:16,240 --> 00:15:18,360 After we left Shafer's home, we checked him through R 370 00:15:18,399 --> 00:15:20,799 and I and found he had no criminal record. We 371 00:15:20,919 --> 00:15:23,240 checked further with friends and acquaintances of both men and 372 00:15:23,279 --> 00:15:25,480 found nothing to indicate that Shaffer was in any way 373 00:15:25,480 --> 00:15:28,840 involved in the disappearance of Chester Dylon. Three point thirty 374 00:15:28,879 --> 00:15:31,519 pm we called the office and found that there's been 375 00:15:31,519 --> 00:15:34,000 no answer so far to the broadcast and missing person's 376 00:15:34,000 --> 00:15:37,000 bullets that we'd gotten out on Dylan. We started checking 377 00:15:37,000 --> 00:15:39,840 your references given us by the bank. First was the 378 00:15:39,919 --> 00:15:43,000 Union Department store. It was located on Main Street in 379 00:15:43,039 --> 00:15:45,440 the south end of town. We checked with a credit 380 00:15:45,480 --> 00:15:49,360 department to see what information we could get from them. 381 00:15:49,799 --> 00:15:52,799 Speaker 6: Yes, here's the fire on the Dylan's right here, mister 382 00:15:52,919 --> 00:15:57,480 Ellan s Jay on Rushton Avenue. What information would you like? 383 00:15:57,559 --> 00:15:59,759 Speaker 2: So we're trying to locate mister Dylon, ma'am. If you 384 00:15:59,799 --> 00:16:02,279 had any recent change of address on that account. 385 00:16:01,960 --> 00:16:02,600 Speaker 5: No, we haven't. 386 00:16:02,639 --> 00:16:03,559 Speaker 6: If they moved, you know. 387 00:16:03,519 --> 00:16:05,559 Speaker 2: Well we believe so. We don't know his present address. 388 00:16:05,639 --> 00:16:09,279 Speaker 6: So we do have an outstanding bill of theirs. I 389 00:16:09,399 --> 00:16:12,840 noticed them several form letters. Have been trying to contact 390 00:16:12,879 --> 00:16:13,559 them ourselves. 391 00:16:13,679 --> 00:16:15,919 Speaker 2: Have there been any recent charges on that account? 392 00:16:15,960 --> 00:16:21,320 Speaker 6: You know, nothing too recent. No, last charge was made 393 00:16:21,320 --> 00:16:25,080 on December fifth, Yes, Thursday, December fifth. 394 00:16:25,679 --> 00:16:27,440 Speaker 5: That's a couple of weeks after we disappeared. 395 00:16:27,480 --> 00:16:29,879 Speaker 2: You yeah, sorry, what was that charge for? Man? What 396 00:16:29,919 --> 00:16:30,840 did mister Dylan buy? 397 00:16:31,000 --> 00:16:34,840 Speaker 6: Oh, mister Dylan didn't buy anything. The slip was signed 398 00:16:34,840 --> 00:16:35,759 by missus Dylon. 399 00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:51,039 Speaker 4: You are listening to Dragnet authentic stories of your police force. 400 00:16:50,840 --> 00:16:51,360 Speaker 5: And action. 401 00:16:59,320 --> 00:17:02,879 Speaker 2: Four fifteen pm, Thursday, February seventh. As soon as the 402 00:17:02,879 --> 00:17:05,240 clerk in the credit department at the Union Department store 403 00:17:05,279 --> 00:17:07,720 showed us the sales slip with the late missus Sarah 404 00:17:07,759 --> 00:17:09,960 Dillon's signature on it, we had the date on the 405 00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:13,240 sales slip double checked immediately. The data shown on the 406 00:17:13,240 --> 00:17:16,720 slip was correct beyond any doubt, December fifth. That was 407 00:17:16,720 --> 00:17:18,440 a little more than two and a half months after 408 00:17:18,480 --> 00:17:21,400 Sarah Dillon had died. Who the person was who forged 409 00:17:21,400 --> 00:17:23,920 her signature or why they'd forged it, we had no idea. 410 00:17:24,519 --> 00:17:26,599 The amount of the charge purchases shown on the sales 411 00:17:26,640 --> 00:17:29,400 slip was for four hundred and eighteen dollars, all of 412 00:17:29,440 --> 00:17:32,240 it for women's clothing. We attempted to check with the 413 00:17:32,279 --> 00:17:34,599 salesgirl who handle the purchase, a Laura van Kirk, but 414 00:17:34,640 --> 00:17:36,759 we were told it was her day off. We called 415 00:17:36,759 --> 00:17:38,880 her home, they told us that she was gone for 416 00:17:38,920 --> 00:17:41,160 the day and couldn't be located. They said she'd be 417 00:17:41,160 --> 00:17:44,640 at work the following morning. Four forty pm. Then and 418 00:17:44,680 --> 00:17:46,839 I took the sales slip with a forged signature on it, 419 00:17:46,880 --> 00:17:48,920 and drove back to the office. We went directly to 420 00:17:49,000 --> 00:17:51,680 forgery Detail, briefed them on our findings, and gave them 421 00:17:51,680 --> 00:17:53,920 the sales slip. Then we drove back to the home 422 00:17:53,960 --> 00:17:56,519 of the Dylan's friend, Raymond Shaffer, and checked through the 423 00:17:56,559 --> 00:17:59,319 two suitcases. There we came up with a small photo 424 00:17:59,359 --> 00:18:02,319 of missus Dylan, along with exemplars of her handwriting, as 425 00:18:02,319 --> 00:18:04,359 well as her husbands, which we found in an autograph 426 00:18:04,440 --> 00:18:07,519 album in one of the suitcases. The handwriting samples were 427 00:18:07,559 --> 00:18:09,799 checked against the signature on the sales slip, but neither 428 00:18:09,799 --> 00:18:12,519 of them matched. The work of compiling a list of 429 00:18:12,559 --> 00:18:16,720 all known female forgery suspects was begun immediately. The following morning, 430 00:18:16,839 --> 00:18:18,960 Gun and I went back to the Union Department store, 431 00:18:19,119 --> 00:18:22,079 where we interviewed the salesgirl, Laura van Kirk, who'd handled 432 00:18:22,119 --> 00:18:22,599 the purchase. 433 00:18:23,000 --> 00:18:26,440 Speaker 9: Yes, I remember making this sale officer. I'm not too 434 00:18:26,480 --> 00:18:28,519 sure about the woman who brought the things, though, I 435 00:18:28,559 --> 00:18:29,440 mean what she looked like. 436 00:18:29,559 --> 00:18:31,599 Speaker 5: Well, could you try to describe her force, Miss then 437 00:18:31,640 --> 00:18:33,000 Kirks as well as you can remember. 438 00:18:33,359 --> 00:18:34,400 Speaker 6: She had light round here. 439 00:18:34,440 --> 00:18:37,680 Speaker 9: I'm pretty sure that not too old, maybe in her 440 00:18:37,720 --> 00:18:41,000 late thirties early forties. She was a plain looking woman 441 00:18:41,640 --> 00:18:45,559 five foot five or six. Then, as I remember, she 442 00:18:45,640 --> 00:18:47,160 wore glasses. I remember that too. 443 00:18:47,559 --> 00:18:49,559 Speaker 2: I see you got that picture, miss delamare Ben. 444 00:18:49,839 --> 00:18:51,440 Speaker 5: Uh yeah, yeah. 445 00:18:51,440 --> 00:18:54,240 Speaker 2: Here would you take a look at this picture? Miss? 446 00:18:55,519 --> 00:18:57,039 How does that look like a woman you waited on? 447 00:18:58,200 --> 00:19:01,839 Speaker 9: No, no, that's not her. The woman I weighed on 448 00:19:01,960 --> 00:19:05,200 was much younger. She had light brown hair too, not gray, 449 00:19:06,039 --> 00:19:08,720 thin face I think, And she walked glasses. 450 00:19:08,759 --> 00:19:10,920 Speaker 5: I'm sure that you remember if there was a man 451 00:19:10,960 --> 00:19:12,920 with him, Miss Vankirk, or was she alone? 452 00:19:13,119 --> 00:19:16,039 Speaker 9: No, she was alone, now that I remember. There was 453 00:19:16,079 --> 00:19:19,319 something very different about the glasses she wore. I don't 454 00:19:19,319 --> 00:19:20,759 know if that's important or not. 455 00:19:20,960 --> 00:19:22,039 Speaker 2: What about her glasses? 456 00:19:22,160 --> 00:19:24,480 Speaker 9: They were horn rimmed, as I remember, very light color, 457 00:19:25,319 --> 00:19:27,279 and there was some metalwork along the top edge of 458 00:19:27,279 --> 00:19:31,319 the frame, very smart looking gold metal along the top. 459 00:19:31,680 --> 00:19:34,680 Speaker 5: Light brown hair, slight bill, thin face. Late thirties and 460 00:19:34,720 --> 00:19:38,480 early forties were light, horn rimmed glasses and gold metal 461 00:19:38,519 --> 00:19:39,079 on the frame. 462 00:19:39,240 --> 00:19:40,000 Speaker 6: Yes, that's right. 463 00:19:40,799 --> 00:19:43,680 Speaker 5: Check me if I'm wrong, Joe. That descriptions done familiar, 464 00:19:44,119 --> 00:19:46,720 Just what I was thinking. Horn rim glasses, metal work 465 00:19:46,720 --> 00:19:49,519 on the woman who came to see us at the oven. Yeah, 466 00:19:49,599 --> 00:19:51,000 you got a little Seal Banner. 467 00:19:52,960 --> 00:19:54,559 Speaker 2: Then and I went back to the office and had 468 00:19:54,599 --> 00:19:56,920 low Seal Banner checked your r and ey. She had 469 00:19:56,960 --> 00:19:59,240 no criminal record. Then we drove to the home on 470 00:19:59,319 --> 00:20:02,200 Ralston Avenue which Chester Dillon had leased to Lucille Banner 471 00:20:02,359 --> 00:20:04,920 and which she in turn had sub left. We obtained 472 00:20:04,920 --> 00:20:06,880 a copy of the lease which the Banner woman had 473 00:20:06,880 --> 00:20:09,359 with the current tenants and which bore her signature. We 474 00:20:09,519 --> 00:20:11,519 brought the copy of the lease downtown, gave it to 475 00:20:11,559 --> 00:20:14,319 Don Meyer and Handwriting and asked him to compare Lucille 476 00:20:14,359 --> 00:20:16,960 Banner's signature with the signature on the sales slip that 477 00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:20,799 we'd obtained from the Union Department store. Fifteen minutes later, 478 00:20:20,880 --> 00:20:22,599 he called us at the office with a result. 479 00:20:23,200 --> 00:20:26,720 Speaker 5: Yeah, Don, that's up. You are right. 480 00:20:26,759 --> 00:20:28,319 Speaker 2: Thanks. Hell what do you get? 481 00:20:28,559 --> 00:20:31,200 Speaker 5: Says There's no question in his mind, Yeah, both signatures 482 00:20:31,240 --> 00:20:31,960 match perfectly. 483 00:20:35,720 --> 00:20:38,680 Speaker 2: What the reason was behind Lucille Banners forging the signature 484 00:20:38,680 --> 00:20:40,720 of missus dllon on the sales slip, We didn't know 485 00:20:41,559 --> 00:20:43,720 whether or not it had any connection with the disappearance 486 00:20:43,720 --> 00:20:46,279 of Chester Dillon. We didn't know. As soon as we 487 00:20:46,279 --> 00:20:48,400 got the handwriting report from Don Meyer, Ben and I 488 00:20:48,559 --> 00:20:50,839 left the office immediately and drove to the bungalow which 489 00:20:50,880 --> 00:20:53,480 the Banner woman was renting on Ralston Avenue. It was 490 00:20:53,519 --> 00:20:56,480 a block down the street from the Dylan house. Lucille 491 00:20:56,519 --> 00:20:59,079 Banner wasn't at home, but a neighborhood gardener trimming the 492 00:20:59,119 --> 00:21:00,839 lawn in front of her high house told us that 493 00:21:00,880 --> 00:21:04,599 she was expected back shortly. The gardener, who identified himself 494 00:21:04,599 --> 00:21:07,559 only as Julio, volunteered that he also did gardening work 495 00:21:07,599 --> 00:21:10,720 for Miss Banner when she occupied the Dylan home. He'd 496 00:21:10,759 --> 00:21:12,920 also worked for the Dylans when they lived in the house. 497 00:21:13,319 --> 00:21:15,119 He told us he liked the Dylans quite a bit, 498 00:21:15,359 --> 00:21:17,720 but he didn't have much use for Miss Banner. He 499 00:21:17,799 --> 00:21:19,839 seemed to be up on all the news in the neighborhood. 500 00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:22,839 He trimmed the hedges of the lawn with hands shears 501 00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:23,759 as we talked to him. 502 00:21:25,279 --> 00:21:27,440 Speaker 5: Can you tell us anything about Miss Dylan and Miss 503 00:21:27,519 --> 00:21:29,480 Banner and Julia? How did the same to get along? 504 00:21:29,519 --> 00:21:29,680 Speaker 2: You know? 505 00:21:29,880 --> 00:21:30,960 Speaker 5: Did they get along all right? 506 00:21:31,039 --> 00:21:32,880 Speaker 8: I guess when I worked at the big house down 507 00:21:32,920 --> 00:21:34,920 there from Miss Banner, that's before she moved, I would 508 00:21:34,920 --> 00:21:37,079 see mister Dillon there. He would be at the house 509 00:21:37,119 --> 00:21:39,480 maybe once two times a week. This, Kanna would ask 510 00:21:39,559 --> 00:21:42,039 him to come over cook dinner for him. Miss Banner 511 00:21:42,119 --> 00:21:44,640 likes him, might think, mister Dylan, I don't know about him. 512 00:21:44,680 --> 00:21:48,559 He wasn't feelings so good, still thinking about his wife. Yeah, 513 00:21:48,599 --> 00:21:53,599 I finish up this clipping. Now there all done. 514 00:21:53,839 --> 00:21:56,119 Speaker 2: You mentioned you don't like miss Banner very much, Julia, 515 00:21:56,240 --> 00:21:57,839 Why is that she ever give you a reason not 516 00:21:57,880 --> 00:21:58,279 to like her. 517 00:21:58,480 --> 00:22:00,559 Speaker 8: She's a little crazy, i'd think, funny woman. When I 518 00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:02,079 used to work at the Big House for her in 519 00:22:02,119 --> 00:22:04,319 the garden, she would watch me all the time, follow 520 00:22:04,359 --> 00:22:05,920 me all around, tell me to do all kind. 521 00:22:05,839 --> 00:22:06,680 Speaker 2: Of crazy jobs. 522 00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:08,200 Speaker 8: She can be good play though, So I do. 523 00:22:08,079 --> 00:22:10,240 Speaker 5: That, honey, mean Julia, what kind of crazy? 524 00:22:10,319 --> 00:22:10,480 Speaker 2: Joe? 525 00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:12,119 Speaker 5: The compost box for fertilizer? 526 00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:13,640 Speaker 8: You know, she wanted me to build one for her 527 00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:15,519 in the backyard. That was down the street at the 528 00:22:15,559 --> 00:22:18,039 Dylon house. Crazy woman, she wanted me to build a 529 00:22:18,039 --> 00:22:19,400 compost box in the greenhouse. 530 00:22:19,599 --> 00:22:21,559 Speaker 2: I'm a special place mart for whoever heard of that? 531 00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:23,920 Speaker 8: To build a compost box inside the greenhouse? Crazy? 532 00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:25,000 Speaker 2: What did you build it for? 533 00:22:25,079 --> 00:22:27,359 Speaker 8: It is but not inside the greenhouse. I built it 534 00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:29,640 outside right next door to the greenhouse. When she come 535 00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:32,319 out saw she goes crazy, almost call me names crazy. 536 00:22:32,359 --> 00:22:34,039 She made me tear it up. Then she made me 537 00:22:34,039 --> 00:22:36,240 build the inside the greenhouse right on the place she had. 538 00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:37,720 Speaker 5: Mark for it. 539 00:22:37,039 --> 00:22:40,680 Speaker 2: And when it always happened, Julia, do you remember when 540 00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:42,640 you built a compost box? I mean a couple of. 541 00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:45,039 Speaker 8: Months ago about that. It was just after mister Dylon 542 00:22:45,079 --> 00:22:46,920 went away. I tried to tell him its banter. Who 543 00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:48,759 ever heard of a compost box in a greenhouse? She 544 00:22:48,799 --> 00:22:51,279 wouldn't listen. She had to have a building a certain 545 00:22:51,279 --> 00:22:53,039 place right in the greenhouse, a little piece of ground, 546 00:22:53,039 --> 00:22:54,759 and the box had to go right on top of 547 00:22:54,839 --> 00:22:55,200 her her. 548 00:22:55,240 --> 00:22:56,799 Speaker 2: You figured she acted pretty strange about it. 549 00:22:56,799 --> 00:22:58,680 Speaker 8: Do you think she had something there? 550 00:22:58,680 --> 00:22:59,480 Speaker 5: Little piece of ground? 551 00:22:59,519 --> 00:23:00,559 Speaker 8: You think she I sup at the. 552 00:23:00,599 --> 00:23:07,319 Speaker 2: High one fifteen, DM Lucille Banner returned home and Ben 553 00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:09,440 and I went inside the house Winner where we questioned 554 00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:12,079 her in the living room. Outside in the front yard, 555 00:23:12,079 --> 00:23:15,680 the gardener Julio continued working on the lawn. Lucille Banner 556 00:23:15,759 --> 00:23:18,240 was calm and composed. We questioned her about the forged 557 00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:20,480 signature on the sales slip. She would admit nothing. 558 00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:22,480 Speaker 6: The whole thing's too silly to even comment on. I 559 00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:23,920 don't know what you're talking about. Target. 560 00:23:24,039 --> 00:23:25,240 Speaker 2: We think you do, Miss Banner. 561 00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:27,599 Speaker 5: Our handwriting man is checked the two signatures, one on 562 00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:29,640 the sailor slip and went on the lease. They both met. 563 00:23:29,839 --> 00:23:31,559 They were written with the same person, there's no doubt 564 00:23:31,559 --> 00:23:33,000 about it, and checked her. 565 00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:34,920 Speaker 2: Know what about it, Miss Banner, There's no way out 566 00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:35,759 of it. You ought to know that. 567 00:23:35,839 --> 00:23:37,880 Speaker 6: I'll deny it. That's all. I'll keep on denying it. 568 00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:40,079 I wasn't in that story, and I didn't forge any signatures. 569 00:23:40,079 --> 00:23:41,759 Why would I do a thing like that. What kind 570 00:23:41,759 --> 00:23:42,759 of a woman do you think I am? 571 00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:43,039 Speaker 5: Oh? 572 00:23:43,119 --> 00:23:44,599 Speaker 2: We know are the facts, ma'am? Now, why don't you 573 00:23:44,599 --> 00:23:46,359 give us a straight story. It's going to save time 574 00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:47,759 and trouble for everybody concerned. 575 00:23:47,799 --> 00:23:50,200 Speaker 6: I've heard everything you've got to say. This thing's ridiculous, 576 00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:52,400 it's stupid. I'm not answering any more questions. 577 00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:53,960 Speaker 5: You want to get your hat and code, Miss Banner, 578 00:23:54,039 --> 00:23:55,400 for you not to come downtown win her? 579 00:23:55,720 --> 00:23:57,880 Speaker 6: What good's that going to do. I'll just keep on denying. 580 00:23:57,880 --> 00:23:59,240 If you can't make me say out of a thing 581 00:23:59,319 --> 00:24:01,559 like that, please strike here. 582 00:24:03,599 --> 00:24:13,319 Speaker 5: All right, Yes, ma'am, cars right out in front. Hold 583 00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:15,799 of a minute, when your bed, you know, okay, Julie. 584 00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:16,680 Speaker 2: Yes, a minute? 585 00:24:16,839 --> 00:24:21,200 Speaker 5: Sure, well, Miss Bonner, Liam say. 586 00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:22,640 Speaker 2: I'd like to ask of you, Julia. You've got a 587 00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:23,480 couple of minutes to spare. 588 00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:24,559 Speaker 8: Yeah, you want something? 589 00:24:24,839 --> 00:24:26,279 Speaker 2: We want to take a look in the backyard of 590 00:24:26,319 --> 00:24:28,480 the house down the street, mister Dylon's house. Like, have 591 00:24:28,519 --> 00:24:29,559 you come along with it? Julia? 592 00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:30,400 Speaker 5: Won't take very long? 593 00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:31,640 Speaker 8: Sure, okay, I'll come along. 594 00:24:31,799 --> 00:24:34,559 Speaker 2: Bring a shovel along when you're Julio like to check something? 595 00:24:34,599 --> 00:24:39,599 Speaker 8: Yeah, okay, I bring one, all right, miss Spas About 596 00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:40,519 what are you trying to do? 597 00:24:40,799 --> 00:24:41,079 Speaker 7: Something? 598 00:24:41,079 --> 00:24:42,880 Speaker 2: We want to check in the Dylan's backyard. It won't 599 00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:43,160 take far. 600 00:24:44,039 --> 00:24:45,480 Speaker 6: Would it have to do with me? I don't have 601 00:24:45,519 --> 00:24:47,240 anything to do with that house. I don't even live 602 00:24:47,279 --> 00:24:51,519 there anymore. You realize that, Yes, ma'am, I'll call my lawyer. 603 00:24:51,799 --> 00:24:53,480 I'll call him as soon as I get to a phone. 604 00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:58,599 Speaker 5: Julia, back this way, started through the gate. 605 00:25:03,279 --> 00:25:04,720 Speaker 6: What are you trying to do to me? You know 606 00:25:04,759 --> 00:25:06,599 I don't live here anymore. I don't even have anything 607 00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:07,440 to do with this place. 608 00:25:07,559 --> 00:25:09,440 Speaker 5: You did live here, ma'm you lived here, haven't missed 609 00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:10,880 the dinner disappeared? And none? Right? 610 00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:12,720 Speaker 6: But are you trying to say, you've got no business 611 00:25:12,759 --> 00:25:14,680 on this property. You've got no business here at all. 612 00:25:14,839 --> 00:25:22,039 Speaker 5: Yes, ma'am. What did you kill Jessterdylan? Did you Kenny Man? 613 00:25:23,559 --> 00:25:23,880 Speaker 2: All right? 614 00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:24,240 Speaker 5: Julia? 615 00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:25,799 Speaker 2: The compost box in the greenhouse. 616 00:25:25,799 --> 00:25:27,720 Speaker 8: Do you want to start digging the compost box? 617 00:25:27,799 --> 00:25:32,359 Speaker 5: Yeah? Okay. 618 00:25:35,079 --> 00:25:38,400 Speaker 6: He was an old man, so old, he was sick. 619 00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:41,720 He didn't want to live anymore. He didn't have any 620 00:25:41,759 --> 00:25:44,640 reason for living. Why shouldn't give me the house? Why 621 00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:46,640 shouldn't I have his money? I was nice to him, 622 00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:49,000 I cooked for him, wanted to take care of him. 623 00:25:49,039 --> 00:25:50,319 He just didn't want to live anymore. 624 00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:52,079 Speaker 5: That's all all right, Julia. 625 00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:52,880 Speaker 2: You can't hold it up. 626 00:25:53,599 --> 00:25:55,799 Speaker 5: You want to tell us man he needed a woman. 627 00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:58,720 Speaker 6: Anybody could tell that he needed me. He got a 628 00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:00,880 long sign testing me. He offered to marry him, and 629 00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:03,240 he wouldn't do it. I wanted to do was think 630 00:26:03,279 --> 00:26:05,200 about his wife. She was dead. He'd sit around and 631 00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:06,240 talk about her all the time. 632 00:26:06,799 --> 00:26:09,119 Speaker 5: You killed him, I want you trying to say I wanted. 633 00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:11,319 Speaker 6: To marry Chester and take care of him. Wouldn't do it. 634 00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:13,680 He had an argument in the kitchen one night. I 635 00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:16,519 had a gun and I killed him. I killed him. 636 00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:18,359 Speaker 2: Is that where you buried him in the greenhouse? 637 00:26:18,599 --> 00:26:21,240 Speaker 6: Yes, I buried him deep the gun too. He'll be 638 00:26:21,279 --> 00:26:23,000 all right, poor Chester. 639 00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:25,359 Speaker 5: Yeah, he was so old he. 640 00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:28,279 Speaker 6: Needed a woman and he'll tell you that and needed me. 641 00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:32,119 Speaker 5: I guess you made a mistake, No, sir, he did. 642 00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:33,759 Speaker 6: Yeah, he didn't want me. 643 00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:45,400 Speaker 3: The star you have just heard was true. The names 644 00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:47,039 were changed to protect the innocent. 645 00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:50,200 Speaker 4: On June, second trial was held in Superior Court Department 646 00:26:50,279 --> 00:26:53,079 eighty six, City and County of Los Angeles, State of California. 647 00:26:53,200 --> 00:27:05,400 In a moment the results of that trial, Lucille Marie 648 00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:08,119 Banner was tried and convicted of murder in the first degree. 649 00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:11,440 She received the sentence as prescribed by law. She is 650 00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:13,720 now serving a life term in the State Penitentiary for 651 00:27:13,839 --> 00:27:25,799 Women to hatch Apee, California. You have just heard Dragnet 652 00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:29,799 a series of authentic cases from official files. Technical advice 653 00:27:29,839 --> 00:27:32,400 comes from the Office of Chief of Police W. H. Parker, 654 00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:34,160 Los Angeles Police Department. 655 00:27:41,319 --> 00:27:43,839 Speaker 2: They tuned for Counterspy next on NBC. 656 00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:54,880 Speaker 1: Welcome back. Well an interesting case. 657 00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:55,279 Speaker 2: Now. 658 00:27:55,400 --> 00:28:01,200 Speaker 1: I don't know whether it was somehow the way that 659 00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:05,599 this episode concluded. From having heard this episode as well 660 00:28:05,799 --> 00:28:09,000 seen it before, although it's been a few years since 661 00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:15,000 I've encountered this at all, But the whole arrangement about 662 00:28:15,519 --> 00:28:19,640 having her fold his checks and give them when they 663 00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:25,039 got back was a bit suspicious because as a landlord, 664 00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:28,480 you're taking a big risk that something might come up 665 00:28:28,519 --> 00:28:32,400 and the money might get spent, And even as a renter, 666 00:28:32,799 --> 00:28:36,440 I don't like the idea of that, because it just 667 00:28:36,599 --> 00:28:39,920 messes up your book keeping to have this extra money 668 00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:42,599 in the bank that you're gonna have to pay out, 669 00:28:42,799 --> 00:28:47,759 although her subleasing the house might solve that problem, but 670 00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:50,680 still it seems to me that it would make a 671 00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:54,279 lot more sense for her to deposit checks into his 672 00:28:54,559 --> 00:28:58,640 bank account than to hold checks for an indeterminate amount 673 00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:02,440 of time. Though I guess if she was going for 674 00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:06,359 the suicide narrative, it might make sense of him just 675 00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:10,759 not thinking clearly. But still, once the evidence came forward 676 00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:15,440 that really disproved that, I think they should have started 677 00:29:15,519 --> 00:29:19,200 thinking of her. And probably one of the only times 678 00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:24,359 that I kind of question the sort of rote procedure 679 00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:27,319 that they end up following of beginning the work of 680 00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:33,079 compiling a list of all known female forgery suspects. I mean, 681 00:29:33,359 --> 00:29:37,160 I guess it might take quite a while to get 682 00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:39,880 the list together, and it might be a case of 683 00:29:40,359 --> 00:29:44,839 better to have it and not need it than need 684 00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:48,400 it and not have it. But still it seems less 685 00:29:48,599 --> 00:29:52,880 likely that a generic female forgery suspects going to be 686 00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:57,799 the key to this case, and more specifically someone who 687 00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:02,720 had in some way interact did with the missing man 688 00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:05,640 or his wife. But I guess there's a certain amount 689 00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:08,480 of box checking that you just have to do on 690 00:30:08,759 --> 00:30:13,119 police procedure. No matter how like unlikely, it's going to 691 00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:17,880 be fruitful. All right, Well, now it's time to thank 692 00:30:18,039 --> 00:30:20,400 our Patreon supporter of the day, and I want to 693 00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:24,960 go ahead and think Margie, Patreon supporter since June twenty sixteen, 694 00:30:25,119 --> 00:30:29,200 currently supporting the podcast at the Detective Sergeant level of 695 00:30:29,279 --> 00:30:32,039 seven dollars and fourteen cents or more per month. Thanks 696 00:30:32,039 --> 00:30:34,559 so much for your support, Margie, and that will do 697 00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:38,200 it for today. If you're enjoying the podcast, please follow 698 00:30:38,279 --> 00:30:42,039 us using your favorite podcast software and be sure to 699 00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:45,119 rate and review the podcast wherever you download it from. 700 00:30:45,519 --> 00:30:49,759 We will be back next Thursday with another episode of Dragnet, 701 00:30:49,759 --> 00:30:53,799 but join us back here tomorrow for yours truly. Johnny 702 00:30:53,839 --> 00:30:54,839 dollar ware. 703 00:30:55,319 --> 00:30:58,000 Speaker 2: Gop right there, we'll come any closure. 704 00:30:58,640 --> 00:30:59,880 Speaker 4: Oh well, now, just a mine. 705 00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:03,599 Speaker 2: Of us worry around here. 706 00:31:04,319 --> 00:31:04,839 Speaker 5: Stranger. 707 00:31:05,799 --> 00:31:07,519 Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess you'd call me as strange. 708 00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:09,440 Speaker 3: Maybe you're just stranger. 709 00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:10,039 Speaker 1: I'm looking for. 710 00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:12,880 Speaker 8: Get out of that tie with your hand, jump over 711 00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:14,880 your head, don't try no. 712 00:31:15,039 --> 00:31:17,279 Speaker 2: Front of it. Hey, what is this a hold up? Like? 713 00:31:17,359 --> 00:31:19,519 I tell you to be quick about it. 714 00:31:19,599 --> 00:31:26,559 Speaker 3: Okay, whatever you say, I like, can't seem to the store, 715 00:31:26,599 --> 00:31:27,160 doesn't seem to. 716 00:31:27,119 --> 00:31:31,720 Speaker 2: Want to trying to pull some tricks do well? It stuck. 717 00:31:31,759 --> 00:31:34,200 I guess they're here. I'll do it. 718 00:31:34,599 --> 00:31:41,160 Speaker 3: God it Yeah, I'll take that. 719 00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:44,160 Speaker 1: I hope you'll be with us then. In the meantime, 720 00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:49,359 send your comments to Box thirteen at Great Detectives dot net, 721 00:31:49,759 --> 00:31:53,160 follow us on Twitter at Radio Detectives, and check us 722 00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:58,440 out on Instagram, Instagram, dot com slash Great Detectives from 723 00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:02,759 Boiseatta home the This is your host, Adam Graham, signing off.