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<v Speaker 1>It's nights with Dan Ray. I'm tell you easy Boston Radio.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it was an ugly game for the Celtics tonight.

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<v Speaker 2>I was just looking at the box score here and

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<v Speaker 2>we're not going to talk about it, but they're in

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<v Speaker 2>a big hole now and they've lost two games to

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<v Speaker 2>the Knicks at the Garden by a total of four points.

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<v Speaker 2>One point tonight, three points the other night. The shooting

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<v Speaker 2>was just bad tonight. They were the Knicks shot forty

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<v Speaker 2>three percent for the field, the Celtics thirty six percent

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<v Speaker 2>from the field, and the Knicks were better shooters from

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<v Speaker 2>three point they were more selective three point land than

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<v Speaker 2>the Celtics, where the Celtics again threw up forty three

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<v Speaker 2>point shots tonight and only hit on ten of them

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<v Speaker 2>twenty five percent. So doesn't make the road any easier,

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<v Speaker 2>that's for sure. Okay. We have talked tonight about cell

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<v Speaker 2>phones in schools in the nine o'clock hour and getting

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<v Speaker 2>rid of cell phones in schools, and I am big

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<v Speaker 2>time in favor of that. We also talked last hour

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<v Speaker 2>of Professor Thomas Groom of Boston College. Boston College professor

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<v Speaker 2>theologian author is a really interesting interview and I hope

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<v Speaker 2>that you enjoyed him as much as I did. His

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<v Speaker 2>great depth of knowledge history of the church is unsurpassed.

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<v Speaker 2>The new book that he has is called Faith for

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<v Speaker 2>the Heart. Faith for the Heart. And you know, most

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<v Speaker 2>of us don't think about theological questions as deeply as

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<v Speaker 2>he does. And he is very interesting man and one

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<v Speaker 2>of the brightest people I know. And I thank him

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<v Speaker 2>for the time that he spent with us tonight. So

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<v Speaker 2>here's what I want to do. I want to change topics,

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<v Speaker 2>and I have to always get a sense of changing

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<v Speaker 2>topics here. And one of the topics that we talked

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<v Speaker 2>about last night is similar to what we're talking about tonight.

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<v Speaker 2>Last night we talked about President Trump trolling a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of people and that well, I think that he I

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<v Speaker 2>don't think he's serious about taking over Canada. He met

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<v Speaker 2>yesterday with the Prime Minister of Canada. But the one

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<v Speaker 2>thing we haven't talked about in terms of his interesting

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<v Speaker 2>comments which he's made in the last week or so,

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<v Speaker 2>was the idea of reopening Alcatraz. Now. I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>how many of you have ever visited that island prison

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<v Speaker 2>in San Francisco Bay, but I had a chance to

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<v Speaker 2>do that a year or so ago, and it's fascinating.

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<v Speaker 2>The only way to get out there is on a

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<v Speaker 2>ferry boat, and it's it's it's it's a good stretch.

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<v Speaker 2>I'd say it's three miles, but it's also in what

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<v Speaker 2>I'm told, some pretty tough waters. No one escaped. There

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<v Speaker 2>was a movie I think Clint Eastwood was in it

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<v Speaker 2>called Escape from Alcatraz. For those of you who have

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<v Speaker 2>been inside Alcatraz, it was a pretty depressing site. It was.

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<v Speaker 2>It was an amazing tour. They give you these headphones

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<v Speaker 2>and as you walk around to Alcatraz, whether you walk

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<v Speaker 2>fast or slow, the audio is basically confined to the

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<v Speaker 2>area where you are, so you can go at a

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<v Speaker 2>fast pace or more leisurely paced, and the headphone that

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<v Speaker 2>you have will explain to you what you're looking at

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<v Speaker 2>and in many cases who the inmates were. Some of

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<v Speaker 2>the most notorious inmates in the history of America were

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<v Speaker 2>housed at alcol Trez, including the Birdman of Alcatraz and

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<v Speaker 2>some some very high profile including Whitey Boulder, spend time

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<v Speaker 2>out in Alcatraz from local guy and as a matter

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<v Speaker 2>of fact, there were souvenirs that they sell there in

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<v Speaker 2>their gift shop that are the history of Alcatraz and

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<v Speaker 2>who was here and all of that. So it's interesting.

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<v Speaker 2>I have had the benefit of being there. I think

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<v Speaker 2>that for them to restore. And I don't know if

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<v Speaker 2>Donald Trump has ever been out there. I can't believe

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<v Speaker 2>that Donald Trump ever went out there as a millionaire

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<v Speaker 2>billionaire for the fun of it to take in the tour.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure he's been showing pictures of it, so he

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<v Speaker 2>knows what it looks like. But it's in a horrible

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<v Speaker 2>state of disrepair. It does not suffer in San Francisco

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<v Speaker 2>Bay the harsh winters that we suffer here. But everything

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<v Speaker 2>is sort of the same as the day that the

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<v Speaker 2>last prisoners left the island. The cells very small, very cramped.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course, everybody wants to get a picture taken in

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<v Speaker 2>one of the cells, and I had a couple of

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<v Speaker 2>pictures taken the beds that were there there. There's just

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<v Speaker 2>some spring mattresses, toilets which have been long since destroyed.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe over time they just deteriorated. I don't know. There

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<v Speaker 2>was a recreation area they would to house anyone at Alcatraz,

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<v Speaker 2>you would have to spend millions of dollars so I

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<v Speaker 2>am convinced that Donald Trump has a benefit. I think

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<v Speaker 2>his base loves the conversations and the statements. And as

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<v Speaker 2>a matter of fact, the poster on CNN a guy

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<v Speaker 2>named Harry Enton. He talked about the value of Trump's

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<v Speaker 2>comments about Alcatraz. So we're going to play that. This

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<v Speaker 2>again is a CNN Numbers Guy poster, if you will.

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<v Speaker 2>And clearly Enton sees that this sort of conversation, although

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<v Speaker 2>it's not going to lead anywhere in my opinion, in actuality,

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<v Speaker 2>that in theory, the theoretical discussion helps Trump, particularly President Trump,

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<v Speaker 2>particularly with his base. Brian, this is cut number nineteen. Please.

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<v Speaker 3>It sticks to one of Trump's best issues, right, the

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<v Speaker 3>idea Alcatras. You think law and order, you think Donald Trump.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, look here, all right, NET approval rating handling crime.

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<v Speaker 2>What do we have here?

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<v Speaker 3>We have a positive rating for Donald Trump even in

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<v Speaker 3>the reason most recent polling. Look at that at plus

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<v Speaker 3>two points, far better than Joe Biden, who was so

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<v Speaker 3>far under water. My goodness, he was setting records at

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<v Speaker 3>minus twenty six points. You rarely ever see it. So

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<v Speaker 3>Donald Trump ran in part.

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<v Speaker 2>On law and order.

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<v Speaker 3>It was one of the reasons that he got elected,

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<v Speaker 3>and at this particular point, Americans like what they're hearing

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<v Speaker 3>from him on the issue of crime. And you see

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<v Speaker 3>this right here with a plus two net approval, writing

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<v Speaker 3>far better than Joe Biden left office with back in

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Again, I think the numbers, as I recall, and

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<v Speaker 2>I don't have them in front of me, was that

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<v Speaker 2>Trump's net approval was like plus two Biden minus twenty four. Stark,

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<v Speaker 2>just stark. Now that's understandable. So I would like to

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<v Speaker 2>give you an opportunity to chime in on this one. Alcatraz.

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<v Speaker 2>I believe that Donald Trump has no intention of spending

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<v Speaker 2>any money restoring the island prison of Alcatraz, which closed

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<v Speaker 2>sometime in the nineteen sixties. It's been out of operation

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<v Speaker 2>now for close to sixty years, close to sixty years,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe even exactly sixty years. I don't think that he's

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<v Speaker 2>doing anything other than trolling people and using it as

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<v Speaker 2>a reminder that he's tough on crime, that he would

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<v Speaker 2>send the tough inmates to Alcatraz, and that he might

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<v Speaker 2>even send the worst of the illegal the folks who

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<v Speaker 2>are here and he believes are members of foreign gangs.

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<v Speaker 2>So I just want to open that up, and if

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<v Speaker 2>you'd like to talk about that for a little bit,

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<v Speaker 2>we can, and if not, we can go to open lines.

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<v Speaker 2>But stay off open lines until I give you the

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<v Speaker 2>signal and open lines. Let's talk about Donald Trump. Is

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<v Speaker 2>he winning the battle of minds? And is he just

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<v Speaker 2>driving the Democrats and the supporters of Democrats in the

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<v Speaker 2>media absolutely insane by his suggestions and just the amount

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<v Speaker 2>of ideas that he is throwing out. Is he living

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<v Speaker 2>rent free in the minds of his opponents? Are they

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<v Speaker 2>so incapacitated that they do not have an ability to

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<v Speaker 2>respond coherently to everything everything that the Trump administration says,

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<v Speaker 2>that Donald Trump says or the Trump administration is doing

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<v Speaker 2>six one, seven, two, five, four ten thirty six one seven,

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<v Speaker 1>Night Side with Dan Ray ONBZ Boston's news radio.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, So, Donald Trump's comments on Alcatraz, comments on Canada.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that he is using the so called bully

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<v Speaker 2>pulpit pulpit very effectively. Uh, and he is forcing the

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<v Speaker 2>conversation on his opponents and living, in my opinion, rent

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<v Speaker 2>free in their heads. He is winning this psychological war

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<v Speaker 2>with the Democrats. I listened to Chuck Schumer today and

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<v Speaker 2>Schumer looks twenty years older than Donald Trump. At this point,

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<v Speaker 2>I think Schumer's days are numbered as the minority leader

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<v Speaker 2>in the Senate. Let's because I think he's I think

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<v Speaker 2>that's going to be taken up by AOC. We'll have

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<v Speaker 2>to see. Let's go to James in New Hampshire. James,

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<v Speaker 2>what do you think about President's comments on Alcatraz and

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<v Speaker 2>other matters? And is he living rent free in the

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<v Speaker 2>heads of a lot of his his his best critics.

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<v Speaker 4>He's doing this to get them going every you know,

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<v Speaker 4>every step of the way. I think it's actually pretty

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<v Speaker 4>funny because I see.

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<v Speaker 5>It for what it is.

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<v Speaker 4>I think we have so many friends that are from

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<v Speaker 4>the left. You know that turn around the Trump's are

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<v Speaker 4>centrum is real, it really is. And these guys, they

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<v Speaker 4>you know, educated guys that you bring stuff up to

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<v Speaker 4>him and they they forward off like somebody from the

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<v Speaker 4>left will write an essay or a story on something

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<v Speaker 4>and they see, I told you it was real, and

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<v Speaker 4>they said you got to back check all that stuff,

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<v Speaker 4>you know. But they just they they he's he's absolutely

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<v Speaker 4>one thousand percent in their head to hate everything about him,

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<v Speaker 4>to hate their you know, they're his grand kids twenty

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<v Speaker 4>years from now. They they're just they're so against him

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<v Speaker 4>it's crazy.

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<v Speaker 2>So have you buy any chance ever been to Alcatraz Island?

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<v Speaker 4>I am actually from California. I live in New Hampshire,

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<v Speaker 4>but I've never lived in mass but I work in

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<v Speaker 4>mass But uh, yeah, I have been.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, how how many millions of dollars do you think

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<v Speaker 2>it would take to make that prison habitable? A lot

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<v Speaker 2>of money?

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<v Speaker 4>You know, I'll be honest with you. I think it

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<v Speaker 4>depends on how you want to do it. If you

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<v Speaker 4>want to do it in a nice, crushy system like

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<v Speaker 4>you know certain certain states have, I think it would

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<v Speaker 4>take a lot of money. But I think the way

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<v Speaker 4>they want to do it, where it's just going to

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<v Speaker 4>be a very clean place to go in and make

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<v Speaker 4>it a jail, it's not gonna cost very much at all.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, Well, I don't know if there's there's any standards

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<v Speaker 2>that the federal government would have to comply with. My

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<v Speaker 2>recollection of Alcatraz was it was kept in the in

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<v Speaker 2>the worst conditions it was. It wanted to show people

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<v Speaker 2>how tough a place it was to exist. I mean

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<v Speaker 2>those small cells. I I I just I had this

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<v Speaker 2>impression that this was an unbelievably brutal place, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>both just from from living there. I mean the yeah

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<v Speaker 2>that I just think it. I just think it would

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<v Speaker 2>be millions. Do you think, Well, let me ask you this,

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<v Speaker 2>do you think that Donald Trump actually would plan to

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<v Speaker 2>try to open Alcatraz?

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<v Speaker 4>I guess you know, I'm really don't see it. I

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<v Speaker 4>mean I can see, you know, just like the Golf

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<v Speaker 4>of Mexico, right marine the Gulf of America. I mean,

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<v Speaker 4>he's getting their minds, and that's what he's doing.

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<v Speaker 2>You know that that way the thing about renaming the

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<v Speaker 2>Gulf of Mexico the Gulf of America America. That costs nothing.

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<v Speaker 2>That's like making a couple of a couple of maps, right.

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<v Speaker 4>But I mean, I'm not even talking about money. I'm

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<v Speaker 4>talking about he's getting in their minds, you know what

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<v Speaker 2>I saw him today, and he looked I mean, he

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<v Speaker 2>And the Democrats aren't. It's been now, what almost three months. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>let's see, you know, February March April, it's over three months.

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<v Speaker 2>Just saying that. You know, the Patriots were four and

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<v Speaker 4>Oh, I agree one hundred percent. I agree one thousand percent.

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<v Speaker 2>hospitals out of business or doctors. Doctors will have nothing

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<v Speaker 2>to do. Hey, James love you call. Enjoyed, enjoyed your

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<v Speaker 4>Thanks so much for joining us.

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<v Speaker 2>You too in an evening. Let me go to N

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<v Speaker 5>How are you very well? Thank you?

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<v Speaker 2>Dan?

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<v Speaker 5>How about yourself?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm doing great? So what do you think you think

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<v Speaker 2>Donald Trump has any real desire to open.

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<v Speaker 5>Up terence now de terrance against crime.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sorry I missed what you said. Would you repeat

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<v Speaker 2>you know, played the SoundBite from the poster from CNN.

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<v Speaker 2>It reinforces uh that that he will go to whatever

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<v Speaker 2>uh length is necessary to put bad, bad guys away.

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<v Speaker 2>But have you ever visited Alcatraz?

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<v Speaker 5>I would never go there, Dan, I was never fascinating tour.

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<v Speaker 4>Get thee in the picture of it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, if you ever go there, Yeah, it's it is.

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<v Speaker 2>It is original form. It's like you feel you've been

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<v Speaker 7>There and it was prisoners.

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<v Speaker 2>Well they were prisoners, but they were also people living

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<v Speaker 2>there and they Yeah, that was.

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<v Speaker 7>A terrible place to serve time.

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<v Speaker 2>I tell you that.

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<v Speaker 5>Oh boy, but you know, I think it it.

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<v Speaker 7>I don't know why if they closed it down, do

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<v Speaker 2>I think that became almost it was indefensible. I think

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<v Speaker 2>the and I don't even know again, if there was

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<v Speaker 2>people probably felt it had served its time, and it

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<v Speaker 2>probably was a lot of money to have. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>it was just was allowed to deteriorate, and I.

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<v Speaker 4>Think it probably was money.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Back in those days, they actually government cared about spending

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<v Speaker 2>money as opposed to today, at least in subseuent years. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>or not, that he's living in the heads of rent

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<v Speaker 2>free of a lot of people on the other side

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<v Speaker 5>Oh well, look I have no comment in that regard.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, then I'll let you go, all right. Thanks for

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<v Speaker 2>calling in, appreciate it. Okay, Thanks Ed, Thank ye, talk

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<v Speaker 2>to you soon. Good night. Six one seven, two, five,

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<v Speaker 2>Here's what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna still continue to

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<v Speaker 2>calls on Donald Trump's call to reopen Alcatraz. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>think he's gonna do that. I've made myself clearing it.

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<v Speaker 2>UH love to hear what you think. And what I'm

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<v Speaker 2>gonna do on the other side is I'm gonna give

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<v Speaker 2>you an opportunity to open lines as well. So you've

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<v Speaker 2>got You've got two opportunities here. You can continue to

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<v Speaker 2>talk about the the the call to open Alcatraz, and

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<v Speaker 2>you can you can ask any question or raise any topic.

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<v Speaker 2>We don't do of open lines often, but I think

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<v Speaker 2>we only have a half an hour left to night,

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<v Speaker 2>so why not. It's a it's a Wednesday night. Feel free.

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<v Speaker 2>Six one seven, two, five, four ten thirty six one

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<v Speaker 1>You're on Night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ, Boston's

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<v Speaker 2>All right, back to the phones we go, gonna go

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<v Speaker 2>to Alice in Lexington. Hi, Alex, welcome next on Nightside.

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<v Speaker 6>Hi, how are you tonight?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm doing just great. You can either talk about Donald

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<v Speaker 2>Trump and alcatraz As and whether he's trolling people, or

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<v Speaker 2>if you have a different topic and open lines will

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<v Speaker 2>do that as well.

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<v Speaker 7>You go right ahead, Well, a different topic.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm just.

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<v Speaker 6>I was watching the speech the other day with Carnie

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<v Speaker 6>and Trump, and I didn't get a chance to call

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<v Speaker 6>earlier because I was a hippie traffic. But I was

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<v Speaker 6>a little disturbed.

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<v Speaker 5>At at.

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<v Speaker 6>Trump's attitude towards Carni. And I know there's been lots

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<v Speaker 6>of both ways, and I've had lots of people tell

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<v Speaker 6>me that this is the way Trump gets things done.

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<v Speaker 6>And I even had a doctor that I had a

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<v Speaker 6>while ago who's moved away say there that there are

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<v Speaker 6>times that there are times that call for certain types

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<v Speaker 6>that Trump fit that for this particular time. And I

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<v Speaker 6>think there's something to be said for that. But I

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<v Speaker 6>also have had a lot of connection with Canada over

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<v Speaker 6>the years, and I find them to be a peaceful

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<v Speaker 6>and drought country and one that is not engaged in

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<v Speaker 6>a lot of wars other than you know, dependsively to

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<v Speaker 6>help other countries. And I and I understand the tariff

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<v Speaker 6>issues on both sides, but I know that way back

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<v Speaker 6>with the original NaSTA, I think they felt they got

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<v Speaker 6>the raw end of the deal. I didn't understand how

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<v Speaker 6>at the time, because frankly I was I was out

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<v Speaker 6>there buying Peter shingles at thirty five dollars a square

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<v Speaker 6>before the tariffs went on.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, yeah, hit on a lot, you hit on

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of points here. I watched the meeting between

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<v Speaker 2>the President Trump and the Prime Minister of Canada, Mark Carney, uh,

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<v Speaker 2>and I thought that they both handled themselves pretty well.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, they both sort of reasserted their position.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, President Trump continued with, oh, that'd be a

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<v Speaker 2>great to be so happy being a fifty first state,

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<v Speaker 2>which is not true. Uh. And Carney was very quick

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<v Speaker 2>to say, I've talked to the owners, meaning the voters

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<v Speaker 2>of Canada, and it's not going to happen. And then

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<v Speaker 2>you know Trump Trump came back would never say never

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<v Speaker 2>and all of that, but they did did. There seemed

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<v Speaker 2>to be less animosity with Trudeau. There was a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of animosity. It looked to me like these two guys

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<v Speaker 2>could probably have have a decent conversation and maybe work

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<v Speaker 2>something out. We'll have to see if that happens, but yeah.

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<v Speaker 6>I would be interested to be a fly on the

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<v Speaker 2>Well compared to how do you remember the conversation that

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<v Speaker 2>he had with Zelensky in the in the Oval office

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<v Speaker 2>that blew up? Yeah, yeah, that was that was placid yesterday.

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<v Speaker 2>It was like, uh it was it was like it

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<v Speaker 2>was so nice. Uh, compared to the Zelenski case.

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<v Speaker 5>Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>And theoretically there was more at stake with Selinsky.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I think that Connie came here with the attitude.

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<v Speaker 2>came down immediately after being elected and Trump Trump Trump, Trump, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>sure felt he didn't know what sort of environment he

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<v Speaker 2>was going into. But President Trump kind of joked with

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<v Speaker 2>him a little bit and said, you know, I probably

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<v Speaker 2>helped elect you more than anybody, which ironically, I believe

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<v Speaker 6>Absolutely absolutely so. I think a lot of people thought

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<v Speaker 6>Polya was going to take it. And I listen to

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<v Speaker 6>a number of times over the past year on the

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<v Speaker 6>internet and the very very well spoken, very thoughtful man.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah he lost his seat in parl you know, he

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, I'm not happy about that. There's I have kind

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<v Speaker 6>of heard by the great side that there are some

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<v Speaker 6>people who think there are a couple of other people

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<v Speaker 6>the top seat at some point in the future, who

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<v Speaker 6>are a little bit more middle of the road.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Well, if you if you can't hold your own

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<v Speaker 2>seat in a parliamentary election, you're not going to be

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<v Speaker 2>the leader of the party, because in order to be

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<v Speaker 2>the leader of the party, you have to hold up there.

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<v Speaker 2>They call them the riding not not the districts, which

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<v Speaker 2>I felt was kind of an interesting little phrase. So yeah, So,

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<v Speaker 2>so my question is I think President Trump does this

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm talking about Alcatraz, I'm talking about Canada, talking

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<v Speaker 2>about Greenland because he enjoys doing it and he basically

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<v Speaker 6>I assume I do, and I do think he's doing that.

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<v Speaker 6>I was very upset early on about Greenland and about

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<v Speaker 6>Panama until I started doing some research on my own,

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<v Speaker 6>and I now I understand it a lot better, and

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<v Speaker 6>I know that the northern the Northwest Passage really I

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<v Speaker 6>think we can call it now because it's not frozen

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<v Speaker 6>over most years. And I do think that's a concerning

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<v Speaker 6>area where, you know, I think China wants it, I

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<v Speaker 6>think Russia wants it, Canada wants it, and I think

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<v Speaker 6>we want some control there. I'm not sure that we

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<v Speaker 6>deserve control there, but I don't think Canada would mind

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<v Speaker 6>if we partnered up with them.

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<v Speaker 2>But maybe that's what will happen. But I'll tell you this,

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<v Speaker 2>Very concerned about that that could be a flash.

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<v Speaker 6>Trump handled that very well.

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<v Speaker 2>Rubio handled I think Rubio handled it well.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, you know, and so I think Donald.

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<v Speaker 2>Trump stay out of it. Let Rubio handle that. And

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<v Speaker 2>I think he I think he understands that region of

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<v Speaker 2>the world. I love you call, Alice. Thank you so much.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a really thoughtful call. I don't know how often

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<v Speaker 2>you call my show, but I sure wish you'd call

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<v Speaker 2>more often.

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<v Speaker 6>I will try to do.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you so much. Talk soon.

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<v Speaker 6>Okay, thank you, Dan, Thanks Ales.

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<v Speaker 2>Good night. Let me go to Glenn. Glenn, you were

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<v Speaker 2>next on night's side. Go ahead, sir, Hi.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm not trying to be greedy, but I hope I

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<v Speaker 5>get as much time as the last court because what

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<v Speaker 5>I'm about to say, I hope it doesn't get me

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<v Speaker 5>banned from the next ten rased. Indeed, but I disagree

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<v Speaker 5>with the cell phone band clarification.

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<v Speaker 2>So no, that's you could say whatever you want. So

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<v Speaker 2>you want to talk about the cell phone band. You

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<v Speaker 2>think kids should have cell phones in high school.

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<v Speaker 5>I think it's easy, and I think it's a corpod.

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<v Speaker 5>It's an easy fix. First of all, we had payphones

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<v Speaker 5>when we were kids. Kids. We don't have payphones anymore.

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<v Speaker 2>Who WHOA you had payphones? But you didn't have payphones

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<v Speaker 2>in the classroom. You had payphones on the street corner,

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<v Speaker 2>or maybe you would you had a payphone down in

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<v Speaker 2>the front lobby.

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<v Speaker 5>That we had them in the buildings in the lobby.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's what I'm saying. But I mean you didn't.

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<v Speaker 2>They weren't a distraction in the classroom. Glenn, go ahead, No,

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<v Speaker 2>I know.

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<v Speaker 5>But the thing is, how do I put this? Now?

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<v Speaker 5>What are they gonna do with They gonna make you

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<v Speaker 5>put it in a basket or are they gonna make

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<v Speaker 5>They got a couple of things they have.

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<v Speaker 2>They have what they call cell phone pouches, which are

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<v Speaker 2>are identifiable, So you would use the cell phone pouch

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<v Speaker 2>and it would be kept somewhere. Or if the school

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<v Speaker 2>has lockers, leave me in your locker, turn them off

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<v Speaker 2>and leave me in your locker.

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<v Speaker 5>And hope that nobody steals anything out of you. I

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<v Speaker 5>don't know. To me, it's a loss waiting to happen.

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<v Speaker 2>I just well, well, first of all, if you have

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<v Speaker 2>a key to your locker, did you ever I had

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<v Speaker 2>lockers in school. I never had anything stolen out of

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<v Speaker 2>my locker. I have a locker that I use. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't own it, but I have a locker at the

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<v Speaker 2>gym I go to every day, and I bring my

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<v Speaker 2>my pad lock and I lock up my h my

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<v Speaker 2>clothes and you know, get into my gym clothes and

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<v Speaker 2>lock up my street clothes and no one breaks into that.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, why would why would people break into your

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<v Speaker 2>locker to steal your cell phone? Cell phone are I

479
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<v Speaker 2>mean they're a diamond dozen Now everybody has.

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<v Speaker 5>A cell phone, right, yeah, but they're not cheap, right.

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<v Speaker 2>But you steal a cell phone, what can you do

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<v Speaker 2>with it? I mean you don't know how to, how to,

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<v Speaker 2>you don't know the password, you can't sign in. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>I wouldn't be worried about people's breaking into the high

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<v Speaker 2>school lockers and seal the cell phones. Do you think

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<v Speaker 2>cell phones in a classroom contribute to the learning atmosphere?

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<v Speaker 5>The curriculum contributes. But that's a whole another thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Well that might be true too, So maybe we got

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<v Speaker 2>to be in cell phones and improve the curriculum. And

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<v Speaker 2>I gonna be with you on that.

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<v Speaker 5>But it sounds woke to me. It's like it sounds

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<v Speaker 5>like one more power trip.

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<v Speaker 2>Well I don't know it's called. Look, when when you're

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<v Speaker 2>a student in high school, You're expected to do a

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<v Speaker 2>sort of things. You're supposed to sit in your seat

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<v Speaker 2>in class. Is that a power trip? You're supposed to

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<v Speaker 2>pay attention to be recognized. You're supposed to raise your

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<v Speaker 2>head end, you're supposed to take notes.

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<v Speaker 5>A high school and well, I went to a pri

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, perk school is a probabarding blind school. And

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<v Speaker 5>by the way of the lock didn't have keys, and

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<v Speaker 5>people would either steal or accidentally take something from the

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<v Speaker 5>wrong But anyway.

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<v Speaker 2>But what I'm saying is I don't think that happens.

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<v Speaker 2>And look, I'm more concerned about shootings in high school

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<v Speaker 2>than i am some kid getting cell phone stolen.

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<v Speaker 5>But me, well, I'm more concerned about shootings than cell

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<v Speaker 5>phones period. Right.

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<v Speaker 2>But what I'm saying is that the presence of cell

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<v Speaker 2>phones in the classroom does nothing to improve the quality

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<v Speaker 2>of education. We've seen what's happened. The scores have plummeted

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<v Speaker 2>in recent years, that they're continuing to slide down. You

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<v Speaker 2>can blame COVID all you want, but the scores in

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<v Speaker 2>other states in this country have gone up. The scores

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<v Speaker 2>in Massachusetts gone down. I'm just saying that this is

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<v Speaker 2>something I think we need to we need to talk

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<v Speaker 2>about and finally the politicians are doing something about it.

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<v Speaker 5>Why would Massachusetts goes be lower based on cell phones?

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<v Speaker 5>Every state in the country kids cell phones, and I

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<v Speaker 5>don't get the the corre race, I mean the connection.

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<v Speaker 5>What am I missing to me?

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<v Speaker 2>It's It's obvious in Latin, it's race. I'sel equitor, meaning

523
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<v Speaker 2>the results speaks for itself. The only thing that is

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<v Speaker 2>different in classrooms today, most teachers will tell you is

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<v Speaker 2>that they're teaching a class in which many of these

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<v Speaker 2>kids have cell phones, and the kids are paying to

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<v Speaker 2>attention to their cell phones.

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<v Speaker 5>I just why is this state different in that direction?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. Maybe we're more affluent. Maybe kids in

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<v Speaker 2>places like Alabama, Mississippi. I don't know, but I'm sure

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<v Speaker 2>there are other states that have gone down as well. Glenn,

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<v Speaker 2>I do have to break so I'm gonna let you go.

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<v Speaker 2>You didn't get quite as much time as Alice from Lexington.

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<v Speaker 2>If there's anything else you want to add, you have

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<v Speaker 2>the microphone?

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<v Speaker 5>Oh yeah, yeah. I think Donald Trump, as much as

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<v Speaker 5>I love him, I wish he I mean alcatraz, I

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<v Speaker 5>mean he's gonna. I know he sounds like he's auditioning

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<v Speaker 5>for a nightclub comedian act when he gets out.

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<v Speaker 2>Of there's a little bit of that there there, there's

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit of that. He's he's he's a president,

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<v Speaker 2>but he's but he loves the cameras. Uh and and

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<v Speaker 2>he does take questions. So you got to give him

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<v Speaker 2>credit on that better than Joe Biden.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, yeah, in terms of.

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<v Speaker 2>On the issue of accessibility. Okay, that's all I'm talking about. Thanks, Glad.

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<v Speaker 2>I talk to you soon. Going quick break here, Martha

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<v Speaker 2>and Gloss. Do you stay right there, folks. They got

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<v Speaker 2>a couple of open lines. You can call and ask

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<v Speaker 2>me anything. You can talk about any issue that you

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<v Speaker 2>would like. You could make a recommendation for a subject

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<v Speaker 2>we've talked, or you could talk about Donald Trump's idea,

553
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<v Speaker 2>which I think is just trolling the left that he's

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<v Speaker 2>going to put prison inmates, bad prison inmates in a

555
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<v Speaker 2>reopened Alcatraz. Not gonna happen, but he's having fun with it,

556
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<v Speaker 2>and the Democrats are They're they're being driven crazy by

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<v Speaker 2>Donald Trump. Simple as that. Agree, you disagree.

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<v Speaker 1>Coming back on Nightside, It's night Side with Dan Ray

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<v Speaker 1>on wb Boston's news radio.

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<v Speaker 2>I got a couple open lines. If you like six one, seven, two, five, four, ten, thirty, six, one, seven,

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<v Speaker 2>nine thirty, then go to Martha in Gloucester. He Martha, welcome,

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<v Speaker 2>how are you.

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<v Speaker 7>I'm good, thank you, this is my second time calling in.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, thank you very much.

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<v Speaker 7>Don't you don't seem to focus on the more recent

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<v Speaker 7>aspect of Alcatraz has closed in sixty one that created

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<v Speaker 7>unused federal land in which the American Indians realized that

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<v Speaker 7>they had a right to claim it, which they did.

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<v Speaker 7>In nineteen sixty nine, Uh, there was a saucelito in

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<v Speaker 7>Indian navy who was three or four boats took one

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<v Speaker 7>hundred American Indians out to Alcatraz for an occupation that

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<v Speaker 7>lasted close to two years. My brother had a thirty

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<v Speaker 7>two foot motor sailboat called Seaweed.

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<v Speaker 6>He and his.

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<v Speaker 7>He was Peter Bowen, with the first mate Books Towns,

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<v Speaker 7>and they took some thirty odd Indians over there. They

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<v Speaker 7>were not supposed to take children, but one of the

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<v Speaker 7>leaders rolled up his child in a rug and got

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<v Speaker 7>the child out to Alcatraz, and that child eventually died

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<v Speaker 7>in an accident. This drew attention.

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<v Speaker 2>The child. The child I remember some of this, and

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<v Speaker 2>I think it was actually mentioned when we did the tour.

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<v Speaker 2>So the child that went out there died in an

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<v Speaker 2>accident on the island of Alcatraz.

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<v Speaker 7>Yes, that's correct.

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<v Speaker 2>That's pretty sad.

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<v Speaker 7>And that child was rolled up in a blanket and

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<v Speaker 7>my brother did not discover it until he was underway.

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<v Speaker 7>They could not use any kind of running lights going

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<v Speaker 7>out there. They went out at two, three and four

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<v Speaker 7>in the morning because the Coastguard could have caught them

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<v Speaker 7>and they would have lost their boats and been fined

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<v Speaker 7>and all sorts of horrible things.

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<v Speaker 2>So how did the occupation end if.

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<v Speaker 1>You remember, well, I.

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<v Speaker 7>Guess they kind of ran out of steam, but it

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<v Speaker 7>brought attention. President Nixon was in office at the time,

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<v Speaker 7>and the fact of there being there Indians gathered as

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<v Speaker 7>Indians of all nations, which they were able to have

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<v Speaker 7>some power to get federal concessions made to them, which

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<v Speaker 7>in an individual tribe matters they were less effected. So

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<v Speaker 7>it did prove to be useful. How it actually ended,

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<v Speaker 7>I can't say, but I know people who used to

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<v Speaker 7>go out and boats and take food over there, and

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<v Speaker 7>they had a fiftieth reunion every year at Thanksgiving as

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<v Speaker 7>the reunion. There are wonderful pictures that Brookstown's who was

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<v Speaker 7>the first photographer with the newspapers to get color photos

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<v Speaker 7>of the Indians celebrating Thanksgiving.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm looking this up as a matter of fact.

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<v Speaker 2>And the occupation was nineteen months long by eighty nine

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<v Speaker 2>American Indians in their supports on Alcatraz Island and the

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<v Speaker 2>prison complex classified at that point as an abandoned surplus

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<v Speaker 2>federal land. I got to tell you I visited there

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<v Speaker 2>a couple of years ago. Well, MESSI I think it

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<v Speaker 2>was a year ago in the summer, so it wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>quite a couple of years ago, but it was pretty

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<v Speaker 2>depressed place. I have no idea what they hope to accomplish.

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<v Speaker 2>Obviously it is. It is not in the possession of

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<v Speaker 2>any Native Americans at this point.

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<v Speaker 7>Oh no, they had. They were given concessions on land

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<v Speaker 7>per sae, not on the island because it ended. I

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<v Speaker 7>don't know the details of why it ended, but they

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<v Speaker 7>were given concessions from the Nixon administration for having had

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<v Speaker 7>that occupation Alcatraz as a tourist attraction. They're taken in

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<v Speaker 7>millions of dollars for just for tour people to be

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<v Speaker 7>able to go out and do that. Now, if Trump

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<v Speaker 7>gets prishoners back out there, that's going to cut into

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<v Speaker 7>loss of millions of dollars and touring that would have

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<v Speaker 7>to cease. They couldn't be taken tour people to go around.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think there's any chance that that's going to happen.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I think that everybody has sort of agreed

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<v Speaker 2>with me, and I think you probably agree with me

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<v Speaker 2>that it's easy for President Trump to say I'm going

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<v Speaker 2>to put reopened Alcatraz and put prison inmates out there,

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<v Speaker 2>but it would take millions of dollars to make it livable.

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<v Speaker 2>You can't put someone who's in custody of the United

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<v Speaker 2>States government. It's one thing for people to go out

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<v Speaker 2>there and try to occupy the island. That's their decision,

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<v Speaker 2>perhaps a misguided decision, but their decision.

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<v Speaker 7>But for someone to be I think because you bring

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<v Speaker 7>attention to American Indians, that's okay.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just saying that that that they can do what

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<v Speaker 2>they wanted and they went out there for nineteen months,

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<v Speaker 2>good for them, and if they got some concessions, good

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<v Speaker 2>for them. But it's quite another thing when you have

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<v Speaker 2>someone who is in the custody of the United States

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<v Speaker 2>government as a prison inmate, and they are put into

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<v Speaker 2>a prison which is not compatible with the Eighth Amendment

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<v Speaker 2>to the Constitution. It would be considered I think cruel

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<v Speaker 2>and unusual punishment.

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<v Speaker 7>Oh yeah, no one. Escape from Alcatraz is made by

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<v Speaker 7>Clenn Eastwood. They did a considerable amount of renovation just

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<v Speaker 7>to be able to do the movie. Now, I would

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<v Speaker 7>imagine that's kind of deteriorated it.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, I guarantee you again. It was one of the

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<v Speaker 2>most depressing. It was interesting, it was fascinating to visit it,

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<v Speaker 2>but it was one of the most depressing. Three times,

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<v Speaker 2>how recently were you there?

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<v Speaker 7>One of the best times was a man from Togo,

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<v Speaker 7>Africa knocked on my door in San Francisco and he

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<v Speaker 7>just wanted a companion to go to Alcatraz. Now, I

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<v Speaker 7>never had met him before, so I said, and I

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<v Speaker 7>went with him. It was a wonderful time and I'm

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<v Speaker 7>very happy. I went with my parents, and then I

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<v Speaker 7>went with my buddy in college.

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<v Speaker 2>And when were you last? When were you last there, Martha?

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<v Speaker 7>Last time was in the seventies.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, I'll tell you. It hasn't gotten any more. Charming

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<v Speaker 2>since you were here, let me put it like that.

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<v Speaker 8>Okay, it's my brother in the movie was inmate toting

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<v Speaker 8>a guitar for an assembly that they had of prisoners,

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<v Speaker 8>and that's he gets about two seconds.

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<v Speaker 7>He was an extra. And then at the end of

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<v Speaker 7>the movie, during the credits, his motor sailboat under power

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<v Speaker 7>unfortunately goes across the screen while the credits around.

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<v Speaker 2>It's too bad. That's too bad, Marta. I'm flat out

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<v Speaker 2>of time, so gott to let you go. Thank you

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<v Speaker 2>very much. Call, interesting conversation. Thank you, have a great night.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, I'm done for the night. We will be

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<v Speaker 2>back tomorrow night. I promise. We want to thank Brian

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<v Speaker 2>but who did a great job tonight. Although we did

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<v Speaker 2>have some phone problems, we get those fixed by tomorrow.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure we're done for this evening. I'll end. There's

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<v Speaker 2>always all dogs, all cats, all pets. They all go

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<v Speaker 2>to heaven. That's when my pal Charlie raised were passed

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<v Speaker 2>fifteen years ago in February. That's where all your pets

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<v Speaker 2>are were passed. They loved you and you love them.

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<v Speaker 2>I do believe you'll see them again. There will be

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<v Speaker 2>no night side postgame tonight, so I will see you

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<v Speaker 2>tomorrow at eight o five right here on WBZ, Boston's

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<v Speaker 2>news radio