Speaker 1: It's nights with Dan Ray. I'm tell you easy Boston Radio.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was an ugly game for the Celtics tonight.
Speaker 2: I was just looking at the box score here and
Speaker 2: we're not going to talk about it, but they're in
Speaker 2: a big hole now and they've lost two games to
Speaker 2: the Knicks at the Garden by a total of four points.
Speaker 2: One point tonight, three points the other night. The shooting
Speaker 2: was just bad tonight. They were the Knicks shot forty
Speaker 2: three percent for the field, the Celtics thirty six percent
Speaker 2: from the field, and the Knicks were better shooters from
Speaker 2: three point they were more selective three point land than
Speaker 2: the Celtics, where the Celtics again threw up forty three
Speaker 2: point shots tonight and only hit on ten of them
Speaker 2: twenty five percent. So doesn't make the road any easier,
Speaker 2: that's for sure. Okay. We have talked tonight about cell
Speaker 2: phones in schools in the nine o'clock hour and getting
Speaker 2: rid of cell phones in schools, and I am big
Speaker 2: time in favor of that. We also talked last hour
Speaker 2: of Professor Thomas Groom of Boston College. Boston College professor
Speaker 2: theologian author is a really interesting interview and I hope
Speaker 2: that you enjoyed him as much as I did. His
Speaker 2: great depth of knowledge history of the church is unsurpassed.
Speaker 2: The new book that he has is called Faith for
Speaker 2: the Heart. Faith for the Heart. And you know, most
Speaker 2: of us don't think about theological questions as deeply as
Speaker 2: he does. And he is very interesting man and one
Speaker 2: of the brightest people I know. And I thank him
Speaker 2: for the time that he spent with us tonight. So
Speaker 2: here's what I want to do. I want to change topics,
Speaker 2: and I have to always get a sense of changing
Speaker 2: topics here. And one of the topics that we talked
Speaker 2: about last night is similar to what we're talking about tonight.
Speaker 2: Last night we talked about President Trump trolling a lot
Speaker 2: of people and that well, I think that he I
Speaker 2: don't think he's serious about taking over Canada. He met
Speaker 2: yesterday with the Prime Minister of Canada. But the one
Speaker 2: thing we haven't talked about in terms of his interesting
Speaker 2: comments which he's made in the last week or so,
Speaker 2: was the idea of reopening Alcatraz. Now. I don't know
Speaker 2: how many of you have ever visited that island prison
Speaker 2: in San Francisco Bay, but I had a chance to
Speaker 2: do that a year or so ago, and it's fascinating.
Speaker 2: The only way to get out there is on a
Speaker 2: ferry boat, and it's it's it's it's a good stretch.
Speaker 2: I'd say it's three miles, but it's also in what
Speaker 2: I'm told, some pretty tough waters. No one escaped. There
Speaker 2: was a movie I think Clint Eastwood was in it
Speaker 2: called Escape from Alcatraz. For those of you who have
Speaker 2: been inside Alcatraz, it was a pretty depressing site. It was.
Speaker 2: It was an amazing tour. They give you these headphones
Speaker 2: and as you walk around to Alcatraz, whether you walk
Speaker 2: fast or slow, the audio is basically confined to the
Speaker 2: area where you are, so you can go at a
Speaker 2: fast pace or more leisurely paced, and the headphone that
Speaker 2: you have will explain to you what you're looking at
Speaker 2: and in many cases who the inmates were. Some of
Speaker 2: the most notorious inmates in the history of America were
Speaker 2: housed at alcol Trez, including the Birdman of Alcatraz and
Speaker 2: some some very high profile including Whitey Boulder, spend time
Speaker 2: out in Alcatraz from local guy and as a matter
Speaker 2: of fact, there were souvenirs that they sell there in
Speaker 2: their gift shop that are the history of Alcatraz and
Speaker 2: who was here and all of that. So it's interesting.
Speaker 2: I have had the benefit of being there. I think
Speaker 2: that for them to restore. And I don't know if
Speaker 2: Donald Trump has ever been out there. I can't believe
Speaker 2: that Donald Trump ever went out there as a millionaire
Speaker 2: billionaire for the fun of it to take in the tour.
Speaker 2: I'm sure he's been showing pictures of it, so he
Speaker 2: knows what it looks like. But it's in a horrible
Speaker 2: state of disrepair. It does not suffer in San Francisco
Speaker 2: Bay the harsh winters that we suffer here. But everything
Speaker 2: is sort of the same as the day that the
Speaker 2: last prisoners left the island. The cells very small, very cramped.
Speaker 2: Of course, everybody wants to get a picture taken in
Speaker 2: one of the cells, and I had a couple of
Speaker 2: pictures taken the beds that were there there. There's just
Speaker 2: some spring mattresses, toilets which have been long since destroyed.
Speaker 2: Maybe over time they just deteriorated. I don't know. There
Speaker 2: was a recreation area they would to house anyone at Alcatraz,
Speaker 2: you would have to spend millions of dollars so I
Speaker 2: am convinced that Donald Trump has a benefit. I think
Speaker 2: his base loves the conversations and the statements. And as
Speaker 2: a matter of fact, the poster on CNN a guy
Speaker 2: named Harry Enton. He talked about the value of Trump's
Speaker 2: comments about Alcatraz. So we're going to play that. This
Speaker 2: again is a CNN Numbers Guy poster, if you will.
Speaker 2: And clearly Enton sees that this sort of conversation, although
Speaker 2: it's not going to lead anywhere in my opinion, in actuality,
Speaker 2: that in theory, the theoretical discussion helps Trump, particularly President Trump,
Speaker 2: particularly with his base. Brian, this is cut number nineteen. Please.
Speaker 3: It sticks to one of Trump's best issues, right, the
Speaker 3: idea Alcatras. You think law and order, you think Donald Trump.
Speaker 3: I mean, look here, all right, NET approval rating handling crime.
Speaker 2: What do we have here?
Speaker 3: We have a positive rating for Donald Trump even in
Speaker 3: the reason most recent polling. Look at that at plus
Speaker 3: two points, far better than Joe Biden, who was so
Speaker 3: far under water. My goodness, he was setting records at
Speaker 3: minus twenty six points. You rarely ever see it. So
Speaker 3: Donald Trump ran in part.
Speaker 2: On law and order.
Speaker 3: It was one of the reasons that he got elected,
Speaker 3: and at this particular point, Americans like what they're hearing
Speaker 3: from him on the issue of crime. And you see
Speaker 3: this right here with a plus two net approval, writing
Speaker 3: far better than Joe Biden left office with back in
Speaker 3: twenty twenty four.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Again, I think the numbers, as I recall, and
Speaker 2: I don't have them in front of me, was that
Speaker 2: Trump's net approval was like plus two Biden minus twenty four. Stark,
Speaker 2: just stark. Now that's understandable. So I would like to
Speaker 2: give you an opportunity to chime in on this one. Alcatraz.
Speaker 2: I believe that Donald Trump has no intention of spending
Speaker 2: any money restoring the island prison of Alcatraz, which closed
Speaker 2: sometime in the nineteen sixties. It's been out of operation
Speaker 2: now for close to sixty years, close to sixty years,
Speaker 2: maybe even exactly sixty years. I don't think that he's
Speaker 2: doing anything other than trolling people and using it as
Speaker 2: a reminder that he's tough on crime, that he would
Speaker 2: send the tough inmates to Alcatraz, and that he might
Speaker 2: even send the worst of the illegal the folks who
Speaker 2: are here and he believes are members of foreign gangs.
Speaker 2: So I just want to open that up, and if
Speaker 2: you'd like to talk about that for a little bit,
Speaker 2: we can, and if not, we can go to open lines.
Speaker 2: But stay off open lines until I give you the
Speaker 2: signal and open lines. Let's talk about Donald Trump. Is
Speaker 2: he winning the battle of minds? And is he just
Speaker 2: driving the Democrats and the supporters of Democrats in the
Speaker 2: media absolutely insane by his suggestions and just the amount
Speaker 2: of ideas that he is throwing out. Is he living
Speaker 2: rent free in the minds of his opponents? Are they
Speaker 2: so incapacitated that they do not have an ability to
Speaker 2: respond coherently to everything everything that the Trump administration says,
Speaker 2: that Donald Trump says or the Trump administration is doing
Speaker 2: six one, seven, two, five, four ten thirty six one seven,
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Speaker 2: after this. This is a very quick break, So dial
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Speaker 2: right after this.
Speaker 1: Night Side with Dan Ray ONBZ Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2: All right, So, Donald Trump's comments on Alcatraz, comments on Canada.
Speaker 2: I think that he is using the so called bully
Speaker 2: pulpit pulpit very effectively. Uh, and he is forcing the
Speaker 2: conversation on his opponents and living, in my opinion, rent
Speaker 2: free in their heads. He is winning this psychological war
Speaker 2: with the Democrats. I listened to Chuck Schumer today and
Speaker 2: Schumer looks twenty years older than Donald Trump. At this point,
Speaker 2: I think Schumer's days are numbered as the minority leader
Speaker 2: in the Senate. Let's because I think he's I think
Speaker 2: that's going to be taken up by AOC. We'll have
Speaker 2: to see. Let's go to James in New Hampshire. James,
Speaker 2: what do you think about President's comments on Alcatraz and
Speaker 2: other matters? And is he living rent free in the
Speaker 2: heads of a lot of his his his best critics.
Speaker 4: He's doing this to get them going every you know,
Speaker 4: every step of the way. I think it's actually pretty
Speaker 4: funny because I see.
Speaker 5: It for what it is.
Speaker 4: I think we have so many friends that are from
Speaker 4: the left. You know that turn around the Trump's are
Speaker 4: centrum is real, it really is. And these guys, they
Speaker 4: you know, educated guys that you bring stuff up to
Speaker 4: him and they they forward off like somebody from the
Speaker 4: left will write an essay or a story on something
Speaker 4: and they see, I told you it was real, and
Speaker 4: they said you got to back check all that stuff,
Speaker 4: you know. But they just they they he's he's absolutely
Speaker 4: one thousand percent in their head to hate everything about him,
Speaker 4: to hate their you know, they're his grand kids twenty
Speaker 4: years from now. They they're just they're so against him
Speaker 4: it's crazy.
Speaker 2: So have you buy any chance ever been to Alcatraz Island?
Speaker 4: I am actually from California. I live in New Hampshire,
Speaker 4: but I've never lived in mass but I work in
Speaker 4: mass But uh, yeah, I have been.
Speaker 2: Well, how how many millions of dollars do you think
Speaker 2: it would take to make that prison habitable? A lot
Speaker 2: of money?
Speaker 4: You know, I'll be honest with you. I think it
Speaker 4: depends on how you want to do it. If you
Speaker 4: want to do it in a nice, crushy system like
Speaker 4: you know certain certain states have, I think it would
Speaker 4: take a lot of money. But I think the way
Speaker 4: they want to do it, where it's just going to
Speaker 4: be a very clean place to go in and make
Speaker 4: it a jail, it's not gonna cost very much at all.
Speaker 2: Okay, Well, I don't know if there's there's any standards
Speaker 2: that the federal government would have to comply with. My
Speaker 2: recollection of Alcatraz was it was kept in the in
Speaker 2: the worst conditions it was. It wanted to show people
Speaker 2: how tough a place it was to exist. I mean
Speaker 2: those small cells. I I I just I had this
Speaker 2: impression that this was an unbelievably brutal place, you know,
Speaker 2: both just from from living there. I mean the yeah
Speaker 2: that I just think it. I just think it would
Speaker 2: be millions. Do you think, Well, let me ask you this,
Speaker 2: do you think that Donald Trump actually would plan to
Speaker 2: try to open Alcatraz?
Speaker 4: I guess you know, I'm really don't see it. I
Speaker 4: mean I can see, you know, just like the Golf
Speaker 4: of Mexico, right marine the Gulf of America. I mean,
Speaker 4: he's getting their minds, and that's what he's doing.
Speaker 2: You know that that way the thing about renaming the
Speaker 2: Gulf of Mexico the Gulf of America America. That costs nothing.
Speaker 2: That's like making a couple of a couple of maps, right.
Speaker 4: But I mean, I'm not even talking about money. I'm
Speaker 4: talking about he's getting in their minds, you know what
Speaker 4: I mean, Like they know they've got a long four
Speaker 4: years ago. That's why Chuck Schumer looks like crap.
Speaker 2: I saw him today, and he looked I mean, he
Speaker 2: looked like he had aged twenty years.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he doesn't.
Speaker 6: He doesn't look good.
Speaker 2: And the Democrats aren't. It's been now, what almost three months. Well,
Speaker 2: let's see, you know, February March April, it's over three months.
Speaker 2: We're into his fourth month in the presidency. And the
Speaker 2: Democrats do not have they don't have a plan at all.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, listen, go ahead, Yeah, I'm.
Speaker 2: Just saying that. You know, the Patriots were four and
Speaker 2: thirteen last year, and they have retooled. They have got
Speaker 2: rid of what they considered to be dead weight. The
Speaker 2: Patriots as an organization have pulled themselves together. The Democrats
Speaker 2: didn't have a good fall either, but they're worse off
Speaker 2: now than they were on November fourth, in my opinion.
Speaker 4: Oh, I agree one hundred percent. I agree one thousand percent.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 4: The funny thing is I work in the medical film,
Speaker 4: so I attached to the whole Harvard thing whatever. I
Speaker 4: worked for a contractor of theirs. But anyways, you know,
Speaker 4: they're all upset about this stuff, you know what I mean,
Speaker 4: there's a lot of them that just they don't no
Speaker 4: matter what he does, they're never going to give him
Speaker 4: a sell approval. The man can literally cure cancer himself,
Speaker 4: and then it wouldn't be good enough for them. You
Speaker 4: know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6: Well, I think the.
Speaker 2: Argument at that point might be that that he's putting
Speaker 2: hospitals out of business or doctors. Doctors will have nothing
Speaker 2: to do. Hey, James love you call. Enjoyed, enjoyed your
Speaker 2: point of view.
Speaker 4: Thanks so much for joining us.
Speaker 2: You too in an evening. Let me go to N
Speaker 2: and S in Antonio, Texas. Welcome back in.
Speaker 5: How are you very well? Thank you?
Speaker 2: Dan?
Speaker 5: How about yourself?
Speaker 2: I'm doing great? So what do you think you think
Speaker 2: Donald Trump has any real desire to open.
Speaker 5: Up terence now de terrance against crime.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry I missed what you said. Would you repeat
Speaker 2: that de terrance de terrans deterrence, Okay, yeah, deterrence. Well,
Speaker 2: I don't know that that's I mean, it's I think
Speaker 2: it's going to benefit him in terms of I just
Speaker 2: you know, played the SoundBite from the poster from CNN.
Speaker 2: It reinforces uh that that he will go to whatever
Speaker 2: uh length is necessary to put bad, bad guys away.
Speaker 2: But have you ever visited Alcatraz?
Speaker 5: I would never go there, Dan, I was never fascinating tour.
Speaker 4: Get thee in the picture of it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, if you ever go there, Yeah, it's it is.
Speaker 2: It is original form. It's like you feel you've been
Speaker 2: transported back to nineteen sixty one when when there were
Speaker 2: people living.
Speaker 7: There and it was prisoners.
Speaker 2: Well they were prisoners, but they were also people living
Speaker 2: there and they Yeah, that was.
Speaker 7: A terrible place to serve time.
Speaker 2: I tell you that.
Speaker 5: Oh boy, but you know, I think it it.
Speaker 7: I don't know why if they closed it down, do
Speaker 7: you know why.
Speaker 2: I think that became almost it was indefensible. I think
Speaker 2: the and I don't even know again, if there was
Speaker 2: some group of politicians or congressmen who went in there
Speaker 2: and said we got a this down, I think some
Speaker 2: people probably felt it had served its time, and it
Speaker 2: probably was a lot of money to have. I mean,
Speaker 2: it was just was allowed to deteriorate, and I.
Speaker 4: Think it probably was money.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Back in those days, they actually government cared about spending
Speaker 2: money as opposed to today, at least in subseuent years. So yeah,
Speaker 2: I know that you're a Trump supporter, and I guess
Speaker 2: you will agree with me, whether you're a Trump supporter
Speaker 2: or not, that he's living in the heads of rent
Speaker 2: free of a lot of people on the other side
Speaker 2: of the aisle right now.
Speaker 5: Oh well, look I have no comment in that regard.
Speaker 2: Okay, then I'll let you go, all right. Thanks for
Speaker 2: calling in, appreciate it. Okay, Thanks Ed, Thank ye, talk
Speaker 2: to you soon. Good night. Six one seven, two, five,
Speaker 2: four ten thirty six one seven nine three one ten thirty.
Speaker 2: Here's what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna still continue to
Speaker 2: calls on Donald Trump's call to reopen Alcatraz. I don't
Speaker 2: think he's gonna do that. I've made myself clearing it.
Speaker 2: UH love to hear what you think. And what I'm
Speaker 2: gonna do on the other side is I'm gonna give
Speaker 2: you an opportunity to open lines as well. So you've
Speaker 2: got You've got two opportunities here. You can continue to
Speaker 2: talk about the the the call to open Alcatraz, and
Speaker 2: you can you can ask any question or raise any topic.
Speaker 2: We don't do of open lines often, but I think
Speaker 2: we only have a half an hour left to night,
Speaker 2: so why not. It's a it's a Wednesday night. Feel free.
Speaker 2: Six one seven, two, five, four ten thirty six one
Speaker 2: seven nine. We'll be right back on night Side.
Speaker 1: You're on Night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ, Boston's
Speaker 1: news radio.
Speaker 2: All right, back to the phones we go, gonna go
Speaker 2: to Alice in Lexington. Hi, Alex, welcome next on Nightside.
Speaker 6: Hi, how are you tonight?
Speaker 2: I'm doing just great. You can either talk about Donald
Speaker 2: Trump and alcatraz As and whether he's trolling people, or
Speaker 2: if you have a different topic and open lines will
Speaker 2: do that as well.
Speaker 7: You go right ahead, Well, a different topic.
Speaker 4: I'm just.
Speaker 6: I was watching the speech the other day with Carnie
Speaker 6: and Trump, and I didn't get a chance to call
Speaker 6: earlier because I was a hippie traffic. But I was
Speaker 6: a little disturbed.
Speaker 5: At at.
Speaker 6: Trump's attitude towards Carni. And I know there's been lots
Speaker 6: of both ways, and I've had lots of people tell
Speaker 6: me that this is the way Trump gets things done.
Speaker 6: And I even had a doctor that I had a
Speaker 6: while ago who's moved away say there that there are
Speaker 6: times that there are times that call for certain types
Speaker 6: of people in positions of power, and that he felt
Speaker 6: that Trump fit that for this particular time. And I
Speaker 6: think there's something to be said for that. But I
Speaker 6: also have had a lot of connection with Canada over
Speaker 6: the years, and I find them to be a peaceful
Speaker 6: and drought country and one that is not engaged in
Speaker 6: a lot of wars other than you know, dependsively to
Speaker 6: help other countries. And I and I understand the tariff
Speaker 6: issues on both sides, but I know that way back
Speaker 6: with the original NaSTA, I think they felt they got
Speaker 6: the raw end of the deal. I didn't understand how
Speaker 6: at the time, because frankly I was I was out
Speaker 6: there buying Peter shingles at thirty five dollars a square
Speaker 6: before the tariffs went on.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, hit on a lot, you hit on
Speaker 2: a lot of points here. I watched the meeting between
Speaker 2: the President Trump and the Prime Minister of Canada, Mark Carney, uh,
Speaker 2: and I thought that they both handled themselves pretty well.
Speaker 2: I mean, they both sort of reasserted their position.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 2: You know, President Trump continued with, oh, that'd be a
Speaker 2: great to be so happy being a fifty first state,
Speaker 2: which is not true. Uh. And Carney was very quick
Speaker 2: to say, I've talked to the owners, meaning the voters
Speaker 2: of Canada, and it's not going to happen. And then
Speaker 2: you know Trump Trump came back would never say never
Speaker 2: and all of that, but they did did. There seemed
Speaker 2: to be less animosity with Trudeau. There was a lot
Speaker 2: of animosity. It looked to me like these two guys
Speaker 2: could probably have have a decent conversation and maybe work
Speaker 2: something out. We'll have to see if that happens, but yeah.
Speaker 6: I would be interested to be a fly on the
Speaker 6: wall and a private conversation between them.
Speaker 2: Well compared to how do you remember the conversation that
Speaker 2: he had with Zelensky in the in the Oval office
Speaker 2: that blew up? Yeah, yeah, that was that was placid yesterday.
Speaker 2: It was like, uh it was it was like it
Speaker 2: was so nice. Uh, compared to the Zelenski case.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 2: And theoretically there was more at stake with Selinsky.
Speaker 8: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I mean, I think that Connie came here with the attitude.
Speaker 2: I got to give him a lot of credit. He
Speaker 2: came down immediately after being elected and Trump Trump Trump, Trump, Yeah,
Speaker 2: I do give him credit for that, because he, I'm
Speaker 2: sure felt he didn't know what sort of environment he
Speaker 2: was going into. But President Trump kind of joked with
Speaker 2: him a little bit and said, you know, I probably
Speaker 2: helped elect you more than anybody, which ironically, I believe
Speaker 2: is very true that when.
Speaker 6: Absolutely absolutely so. I think a lot of people thought
Speaker 6: Polya was going to take it. And I listen to
Speaker 6: a number of times over the past year on the
Speaker 6: internet and the very very well spoken, very thoughtful man.
Speaker 2: Yeah he lost his seat in parl you know, he
Speaker 2: lost his seat.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm not happy about that. There's I have kind
Speaker 6: of heard by the great side that there are some
Speaker 6: people who think there are a couple of other people
Speaker 6: in the parliament up there who might end up in
Speaker 6: the top seat at some point in the future, who
Speaker 6: are a little bit more middle of the road.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, if you if you can't hold your own
Speaker 2: seat in a parliamentary election, you're not going to be
Speaker 2: the leader of the party, because in order to be
Speaker 2: the leader of the party, you have to hold up there.
Speaker 2: They call them the riding not not the districts, which
Speaker 2: I felt was kind of an interesting little phrase. So yeah, So,
Speaker 2: so my question is I think President Trump does this
Speaker 2: and I'm talking about Alcatraz, I'm talking about Canada, talking
Speaker 2: about Greenland because he enjoys doing it and he basically
Speaker 2: likes trolling the other side. And you know what I
Speaker 2: mean by trolling.
Speaker 6: I assume I do, and I do think he's doing that.
Speaker 6: I was very upset early on about Greenland and about
Speaker 6: Panama until I started doing some research on my own,
Speaker 6: and I now I understand it a lot better, and
Speaker 6: I know that the northern the Northwest Passage really I
Speaker 6: think we can call it now because it's not frozen
Speaker 6: over most years. And I do think that's a concerning
Speaker 6: area where, you know, I think China wants it, I
Speaker 6: think Russia wants it, Canada wants it, and I think
Speaker 6: we want some control there. I'm not sure that we
Speaker 6: deserve control there, but I don't think Canada would mind
Speaker 6: if we partnered up with them.
Speaker 2: But maybe that's what will happen. But I'll tell you this,
Speaker 2: I'm much more concerned about the Panama Canal. We made
Speaker 2: a mistake when we when we gave that away for
Speaker 2: a dollar sold it for a dollar two. At that time,
Speaker 2: I believe Noriego was in power and the Chinese nature
Speaker 2: it was a vacuum. The Chinese have moved into Central
Speaker 2: and South America with setting up a shop in our hemisphere.
Speaker 2: Very concerned about that that could be a flash.
Speaker 6: Trump handled that very well.
Speaker 2: Rubio handled I think Rubio handled it well.
Speaker 4: Okay, you know, and so I think Donald.
Speaker 2: Trump stay out of it. Let Rubio handle that. And
Speaker 2: I think he I think he understands that region of
Speaker 2: the world. I love you call, Alice. Thank you so much.
Speaker 2: It's a really thoughtful call. I don't know how often
Speaker 2: you call my show, but I sure wish you'd call
Speaker 2: more often.
Speaker 6: I will try to do.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much. Talk soon.
Speaker 6: Okay, thank you, Dan, Thanks Ales.
Speaker 2: Good night. Let me go to Glenn. Glenn, you were
Speaker 2: next on night's side. Go ahead, sir, Hi.
Speaker 5: I'm not trying to be greedy, but I hope I
Speaker 5: get as much time as the last court because what
Speaker 5: I'm about to say, I hope it doesn't get me
Speaker 5: banned from the next ten rased. Indeed, but I disagree
Speaker 5: with the cell phone band clarification.
Speaker 2: So no, that's you could say whatever you want. So
Speaker 2: you want to talk about the cell phone band. You
Speaker 2: think kids should have cell phones in high school.
Speaker 5: I think it's easy, and I think it's a corpod.
Speaker 5: It's an easy fix. First of all, we had payphones
Speaker 5: when we were kids. Kids. We don't have payphones anymore.
Speaker 2: Who WHOA you had payphones? But you didn't have payphones
Speaker 2: in the classroom. You had payphones on the street corner,
Speaker 2: or maybe you would you had a payphone down in
Speaker 2: the front lobby.
Speaker 5: That we had them in the buildings in the lobby.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I'm saying. But I mean you didn't.
Speaker 2: They weren't a distraction in the classroom. Glenn, go ahead, No,
Speaker 2: I know.
Speaker 5: But the thing is, how do I put this? Now?
Speaker 5: What are they gonna do with They gonna make you
Speaker 5: put it in a basket or are they gonna make
Speaker 5: They got a couple of things they have.
Speaker 2: They have what they call cell phone pouches, which are
Speaker 2: are identifiable, So you would use the cell phone pouch
Speaker 2: and it would be kept somewhere. Or if the school
Speaker 2: has lockers, leave me in your locker, turn them off
Speaker 2: and leave me in your locker.
Speaker 5: And hope that nobody steals anything out of you. I
Speaker 5: don't know. To me, it's a loss waiting to happen.
Speaker 2: I just well, well, first of all, if you have
Speaker 2: a key to your locker, did you ever I had
Speaker 2: lockers in school. I never had anything stolen out of
Speaker 2: my locker. I have a locker that I use. I
Speaker 2: don't own it, but I have a locker at the
Speaker 2: gym I go to every day, and I bring my
Speaker 2: my pad lock and I lock up my h my
Speaker 2: clothes and you know, get into my gym clothes and
Speaker 2: lock up my street clothes and no one breaks into that.
Speaker 2: I mean, why would why would people break into your
Speaker 2: locker to steal your cell phone? Cell phone are I
Speaker 2: mean they're a diamond dozen Now everybody has.
Speaker 5: A cell phone, right, yeah, but they're not cheap, right.
Speaker 2: But you steal a cell phone, what can you do
Speaker 2: with it? I mean you don't know how to, how to,
Speaker 2: you don't know the password, you can't sign in. I'm
Speaker 2: I wouldn't be worried about people's breaking into the high
Speaker 2: school lockers and seal the cell phones. Do you think
Speaker 2: cell phones in a classroom contribute to the learning atmosphere?
Speaker 5: The curriculum contributes. But that's a whole another thing.
Speaker 2: Well that might be true too, So maybe we got
Speaker 2: to be in cell phones and improve the curriculum. And
Speaker 2: I gonna be with you on that.
Speaker 5: But it sounds woke to me. It's like it sounds
Speaker 5: like one more power trip.
Speaker 2: Well I don't know it's called. Look, when when you're
Speaker 2: a student in high school, You're expected to do a
Speaker 2: sort of things. You're supposed to sit in your seat
Speaker 2: in class. Is that a power trip? You're supposed to
Speaker 2: pay attention to be recognized. You're supposed to raise your
Speaker 2: head end, you're supposed to take notes.
Speaker 5: A high school and well, I went to a pri
Speaker 5: I mean, perk school is a probabarding blind school. And
Speaker 5: by the way of the lock didn't have keys, and
Speaker 5: people would either steal or accidentally take something from the
Speaker 5: wrong But anyway.
Speaker 2: But what I'm saying is I don't think that happens.
Speaker 2: And look, I'm more concerned about shootings in high school
Speaker 2: than i am some kid getting cell phone stolen.
Speaker 5: But me, well, I'm more concerned about shootings than cell
Speaker 5: phones period. Right.
Speaker 2: But what I'm saying is that the presence of cell
Speaker 2: phones in the classroom does nothing to improve the quality
Speaker 2: of education. We've seen what's happened. The scores have plummeted
Speaker 2: in recent years, that they're continuing to slide down. You
Speaker 2: can blame COVID all you want, but the scores in
Speaker 2: other states in this country have gone up. The scores
Speaker 2: in Massachusetts gone down. I'm just saying that this is
Speaker 2: something I think we need to we need to talk
Speaker 2: about and finally the politicians are doing something about it.
Speaker 5: Why would Massachusetts goes be lower based on cell phones?
Speaker 5: Every state in the country kids cell phones, and I
Speaker 5: don't get the the corre race, I mean the connection.
Speaker 5: What am I missing to me?
Speaker 2: It's It's obvious in Latin, it's race. I'sel equitor, meaning
Speaker 2: the results speaks for itself. The only thing that is
Speaker 2: different in classrooms today, most teachers will tell you is
Speaker 2: that they're teaching a class in which many of these
Speaker 2: kids have cell phones, and the kids are paying to
Speaker 2: attention to their cell phones.
Speaker 5: I just why is this state different in that direction?
Speaker 2: I don't know. Maybe we're more affluent. Maybe kids in
Speaker 2: places like Alabama, Mississippi. I don't know, but I'm sure
Speaker 2: there are other states that have gone down as well. Glenn,
Speaker 2: I do have to break so I'm gonna let you go.
Speaker 2: You didn't get quite as much time as Alice from Lexington.
Speaker 2: If there's anything else you want to add, you have
Speaker 2: the microphone?
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, yeah. I think Donald Trump, as much as
Speaker 5: I love him, I wish he I mean alcatraz, I
Speaker 5: mean he's gonna. I know he sounds like he's auditioning
Speaker 5: for a nightclub comedian act when he gets out.
Speaker 2: Of there's a little bit of that there there, there's
Speaker 2: a little bit of that. He's he's he's a president,
Speaker 2: but he's but he loves the cameras. Uh and and
Speaker 2: he does take questions. So you got to give him
Speaker 2: credit on that better than Joe Biden.
Speaker 5: Well, yeah, in terms of.
Speaker 2: On the issue of accessibility. Okay, that's all I'm talking about. Thanks, Glad.
Speaker 2: I talk to you soon. Going quick break here, Martha
Speaker 2: and Gloss. Do you stay right there, folks. They got
Speaker 2: a couple of open lines. You can call and ask
Speaker 2: me anything. You can talk about any issue that you
Speaker 2: would like. You could make a recommendation for a subject
Speaker 2: we've talked, or you could talk about Donald Trump's idea,
Speaker 2: which I think is just trolling the left that he's
Speaker 2: going to put prison inmates, bad prison inmates in a
Speaker 2: reopened Alcatraz. Not gonna happen, but he's having fun with it,
Speaker 2: and the Democrats are They're they're being driven crazy by
Speaker 2: Donald Trump. Simple as that. Agree, you disagree.
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Speaker 2: nine thirty, then go to Martha in Gloucester. He Martha, welcome,
Speaker 2: how are you.
Speaker 7: I'm good, thank you, this is my second time calling in.
Speaker 2: Well, thank you very much.
Speaker 7: Don't you don't seem to focus on the more recent
Speaker 7: aspect of Alcatraz has closed in sixty one that created
Speaker 7: unused federal land in which the American Indians realized that
Speaker 7: they had a right to claim it, which they did.
Speaker 7: In nineteen sixty nine, Uh, there was a saucelito in
Speaker 7: Indian navy who was three or four boats took one
Speaker 7: hundred American Indians out to Alcatraz for an occupation that
Speaker 7: lasted close to two years. My brother had a thirty
Speaker 7: two foot motor sailboat called Seaweed.
Speaker 6: He and his.
Speaker 7: He was Peter Bowen, with the first mate Books Towns,
Speaker 7: and they took some thirty odd Indians over there. They
Speaker 7: were not supposed to take children, but one of the
Speaker 7: leaders rolled up his child in a rug and got
Speaker 7: the child out to Alcatraz, and that child eventually died
Speaker 7: in an accident. This drew attention.
Speaker 2: The child. The child I remember some of this, and
Speaker 2: I think it was actually mentioned when we did the tour.
Speaker 2: So the child that went out there died in an
Speaker 2: accident on the island of Alcatraz.
Speaker 7: Yes, that's correct.
Speaker 2: That's pretty sad.
Speaker 7: And that child was rolled up in a blanket and
Speaker 7: my brother did not discover it until he was underway.
Speaker 7: They could not use any kind of running lights going
Speaker 7: out there. They went out at two, three and four
Speaker 7: in the morning because the Coastguard could have caught them
Speaker 7: and they would have lost their boats and been fined
Speaker 7: and all sorts of horrible things.
Speaker 2: So how did the occupation end if.
Speaker 1: You remember, well, I.
Speaker 7: Guess they kind of ran out of steam, but it
Speaker 7: brought attention. President Nixon was in office at the time,
Speaker 7: and the fact of there being there Indians gathered as
Speaker 7: Indians of all nations, which they were able to have
Speaker 7: some power to get federal concessions made to them, which
Speaker 7: in an individual tribe matters they were less effected. So
Speaker 7: it did prove to be useful. How it actually ended,
Speaker 7: I can't say, but I know people who used to
Speaker 7: go out and boats and take food over there, and
Speaker 7: they had a fiftieth reunion every year at Thanksgiving as
Speaker 7: the reunion. There are wonderful pictures that Brookstown's who was
Speaker 7: the first photographer with the newspapers to get color photos
Speaker 7: of the Indians celebrating Thanksgiving.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm looking this up as a matter of fact.
Speaker 2: And the occupation was nineteen months long by eighty nine
Speaker 2: American Indians in their supports on Alcatraz Island and the
Speaker 2: prison complex classified at that point as an abandoned surplus
Speaker 2: federal land. I got to tell you I visited there
Speaker 2: a couple of years ago. Well, MESSI I think it
Speaker 2: was a year ago in the summer, so it wasn't
Speaker 2: quite a couple of years ago, but it was pretty
Speaker 2: depressed place. I have no idea what they hope to accomplish.
Speaker 2: Obviously it is. It is not in the possession of
Speaker 2: any Native Americans at this point.
Speaker 7: Oh no, they had. They were given concessions on land
Speaker 7: per sae, not on the island because it ended. I
Speaker 7: don't know the details of why it ended, but they
Speaker 7: were given concessions from the Nixon administration for having had
Speaker 7: that occupation Alcatraz as a tourist attraction. They're taken in
Speaker 7: millions of dollars for just for tour people to be
Speaker 7: able to go out and do that. Now, if Trump
Speaker 7: gets prishoners back out there, that's going to cut into
Speaker 7: loss of millions of dollars and touring that would have
Speaker 7: to cease. They couldn't be taken tour people to go around.
Speaker 2: I don't think there's any chance that that's going to happen.
Speaker 2: I mean, I think that everybody has sort of agreed
Speaker 2: with me, and I think you probably agree with me
Speaker 2: that it's easy for President Trump to say I'm going
Speaker 2: to put reopened Alcatraz and put prison inmates out there,
Speaker 2: but it would take millions of dollars to make it livable.
Speaker 2: You can't put someone who's in custody of the United
Speaker 2: States government. It's one thing for people to go out
Speaker 2: there and try to occupy the island. That's their decision,
Speaker 2: perhaps a misguided decision, but their decision.
Speaker 7: But for someone to be I think because you bring
Speaker 7: attention to American Indians, that's okay.
Speaker 2: I'm just saying that that that they can do what
Speaker 2: they wanted and they went out there for nineteen months,
Speaker 2: good for them, and if they got some concessions, good
Speaker 2: for them. But it's quite another thing when you have
Speaker 2: someone who is in the custody of the United States
Speaker 2: government as a prison inmate, and they are put into
Speaker 2: a prison which is not compatible with the Eighth Amendment
Speaker 2: to the Constitution. It would be considered I think cruel
Speaker 2: and unusual punishment.
Speaker 7: Oh yeah, no one. Escape from Alcatraz is made by
Speaker 7: Clenn Eastwood. They did a considerable amount of renovation just
Speaker 7: to be able to do the movie. Now, I would
Speaker 7: imagine that's kind of deteriorated it.
Speaker 2: Oh, I guarantee you again. It was one of the
Speaker 2: most depressing. It was interesting, it was fascinating to visit it,
Speaker 2: but it was one of the most depressing. Three times,
Speaker 2: how recently were you there?
Speaker 7: One of the best times was a man from Togo,
Speaker 7: Africa knocked on my door in San Francisco and he
Speaker 7: just wanted a companion to go to Alcatraz. Now, I
Speaker 7: never had met him before, so I said, and I
Speaker 7: went with him. It was a wonderful time and I'm
Speaker 7: very happy. I went with my parents, and then I
Speaker 7: went with my buddy in college.
Speaker 2: And when were you last? When were you last there, Martha?
Speaker 7: Last time was in the seventies.
Speaker 2: Okay, I'll tell you. It hasn't gotten any more. Charming
Speaker 2: since you were here, let me put it like that.
Speaker 8: Okay, it's my brother in the movie was inmate toting
Speaker 8: a guitar for an assembly that they had of prisoners,
Speaker 8: and that's he gets about two seconds.
Speaker 7: He was an extra. And then at the end of
Speaker 7: the movie, during the credits, his motor sailboat under power
Speaker 7: unfortunately goes across the screen while the credits around.
Speaker 2: It's too bad. That's too bad, Marta. I'm flat out
Speaker 2: of time, so gott to let you go. Thank you
Speaker 2: very much. Call, interesting conversation. Thank you, have a great night.
Speaker 2: All right, I'm done for the night. We will be
Speaker 2: back tomorrow night. I promise. We want to thank Brian
Speaker 2: but who did a great job tonight. Although we did
Speaker 2: have some phone problems, we get those fixed by tomorrow.
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