Speaker 1: Welcome to spacing Out with BB and Jason this week
Speaker 1: covering Foundation season two, episode ten, Creation Myths.
Speaker 2: Welcome to spacing Out.
Speaker 3: I'm BB and I'm Jason, and we are discussing the
Speaker 3: Apple TV sci fi series Foundation, one episode at a
Speaker 3: time and spoiler free, although we actually can't spoil anything
Speaker 3: because we're finally caught up.
Speaker 2: We haven't, there's no more. But there is going to
Speaker 2: be a book talk at the end.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So I'm going to go through a few things
Speaker 3: from the books at the end, and I'm going to
Speaker 3: flag it as spoilery because it might be spoilery. I
Speaker 3: don't know, sound no, right, you don't know.
Speaker 2: How faithful they are to the material.
Speaker 3: All right. So in this episode, Gale, Salvoor and Harry
Speaker 3: try a new path forward on Ignes Demerzial heads to Trantor,
Speaker 3: taking actions that will change Empire forever. And then people
Speaker 3: died and other people lived.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Vive check did we like the episode overall?
Speaker 3: Did you like the episode overall?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I liked it. I thought it was a good ending.
Speaker 2: I left you wanting more, but it gave a lot
Speaker 2: of answers to certain things that they kind of set
Speaker 2: up the previous episode. So I thought that was good.
Speaker 4: I liked it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I thought it was a really strong episode. I
Speaker 3: was really excited, like all week just waiting to watch it.
Speaker 3: Yeah and yeah, I mean the season really came together
Speaker 3: and paid off well. And my only concern that we'll
Speaker 3: We'll get into it later, but like, I feel like
Speaker 3: a lot of characters that were making the show interesting died.
Speaker 2: You'll have to name them because I can only think
Speaker 2: of one.
Speaker 3: You said a lot. I mean, we talked a lot
Speaker 3: about how season one didn't work very well for us
Speaker 3: and season two was a lot better, and mainly because well,
Speaker 3: one they kind of restructured how they were doing the storytelling.
Speaker 3: Then they also added a number of new characters that
Speaker 3: brought a lot of life to the show.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Okay, now I'm remembering some of the debts sad.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so it makes me like I'm excited for the
Speaker 3: next season, but I'm also like, man, we're I know
Speaker 3: they're going to bring in more characters because I know that,
Speaker 3: but you never know.
Speaker 2: There might be uh Harry Selden switcheroo on y. There
Speaker 2: were a couple of deaths that we thought happened, and
Speaker 2: then all of a sudden here I am alive and well,
Speaker 2: so you never know, they might have rescued somebody. I'm
Speaker 2: really hoping that for Hobo.
Speaker 1: Mellow trivia time, What facts or news could we uncover
Speaker 1: for Creation Myths?
Speaker 3: All right? This was Foundation season two, episode ten, Creation Myths,
Speaker 3: and this aired on September fifteenth, twenty twenty three. Written
Speaker 3: by Davides Koyer and Liz Pang and directed by Alex Graves.
Speaker 3: So these sequence where Brother Constant is rescued by the vault,
Speaker 3: with Polly Selden and the others emerging from the bright
Speaker 3: light and the pan up to the balconies full of people.
Speaker 3: It's a clear visual homage to the Mothership interior at
Speaker 3: the end of the extended edition of Close Encounters of
Speaker 3: the third kind O Nerd movie.
Speaker 2: I don't I don't think I've ever seen it. Is
Speaker 2: that the one with James Cameron.
Speaker 3: No, it's a Spielbird movie. It's fairly old. I think
Speaker 3: it's in the seventies.
Speaker 2: Is it the one with all the.
Speaker 3: They play the music notes that communicate.
Speaker 2: Oh, I'm thinking of the other one contact. No, it's
Speaker 2: all the satellite dishes.
Speaker 3: So this episode was well received by critics and then. Overall,
Speaker 3: the second season received more positive reviews, with many agreeing
Speaker 3: it was an improvement over its first season, emphasizing the
Speaker 3: more accessible pacing, better plot, improved interpersonal characterizations, and overall
Speaker 3: satisfaction with the season's payoffs. Yeah that's what we just said.
Speaker 2: Well, I was going to say, who are we critics?
Speaker 3: Good Rotten Tomatoes second season has one hundred percent approval rating,
Speaker 3: with an average rating of eight out of ten, compared
Speaker 3: to season one, which had seventy two and a seven
Speaker 3: point one in. Season three set to premiere on July eleventh,
Speaker 3: twenty twenty five, which will be just a few days
Speaker 3: after this episode comes out. Cool, and I'm sure there's
Speaker 3: more news about season three. I just haven't really doped
Speaker 3: into it because I didn't want to spoil myself on
Speaker 3: the end of season two. So but we'll just go
Speaker 3: into that news when we do start season three.
Speaker 1: Deep Space Dive, let's break down some of our thoughts
Speaker 1: on the episode. You can share your thoughts with us
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Speaker 1: on an upcoming episode.
Speaker 2: Dude, Hobo, Mellow and the Spacers did make a secret alliance, yep,
Speaker 2: and their whole I'm turning you into the governor. Bit
Speaker 2: was a fucking deploy to get motherfuckers out there. Crazy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this whole thing, like everyone was playing three D chess.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this whole thing. Everybody was like showing their cards
Speaker 2: and they were crazy. And then when the white guy
Speaker 2: was fighting the Empire and he like switches up and
Speaker 2: he's wearing Empires clothes, I was so confused. I was like,
Speaker 2: who just went out of the airlock?
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I was so confused because he was wearing Homeboy's clothes
Speaker 2: and I was like, that doesn't look like Homeboy And
Speaker 2: because of the VFX, I couldn't recognize Empire in this
Speaker 2: frozen space state.
Speaker 3: Yeah. That definitely tripped me up. I'm like, wait, what happened?
Speaker 2: And then I was as confused as those dumb ass guards.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I'm trying to remember because it took us
Speaker 3: a while to watch the season. It was more than
Speaker 3: more than the ten weeks or whatever. We had some
Speaker 3: breaks in there, so it's been a long time since
Speaker 3: we saw like Cobra Malow's little tricks about switching spaces
Speaker 3: and stuff. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that was so cool, like and how satisfying
Speaker 2: to be that man who just like listen to your orders,
Speaker 2: Like I just destroyed a whole fucking planet with my
Speaker 2: fucking husband on it, and now you want to go
Speaker 2: around and just meticulously kill every other planet that you
Speaker 2: don't agree with. No, I ain't doing that shit, and
Speaker 2: we're gonna fight. And Empire was so cocky.
Speaker 3: He's like, ha ha ha ha ha ha.
Speaker 2: I like the taste of my own blood. And I
Speaker 2: was like, no, thank god you wanted him to be
Speaker 2: just taught a lesson.
Speaker 3: Yeah, nobody felt bad for that death.
Speaker 2: And the guards were like, I guess we're pointing our
Speaker 2: guns at you, and he's like, we're all gonna die.
Speaker 2: Don't you want to do something where you're not just
Speaker 2: trying to execute me? And they're like taking off the
Speaker 2: helmet and he's like, how long do I got? That
Speaker 2: was iconic. Also, that guard without his freaking helmet way
Speaker 2: less intimidating, right, he just looks like a regular guy
Speaker 2: that's like, yeah, like a grocery store person, Like he
Speaker 2: has like a wife and kids and shit like yeah.
Speaker 2: And it kind of makes me think of how all
Speaker 2: of these like, al right, people are making it a
Speaker 2: thing to cover their faces for anonymnity, and I think
Speaker 2: there is like something to that where it's like, if
Speaker 2: we see your face, we know who you are, but
Speaker 2: you're also like a human and you're trying to do
Speaker 2: things that are inhuman. Uh So, it's just very interesting
Speaker 2: to see that facade kind of come down and drumosoult
Speaker 2: that has no idea this happen. And she killed old
Speaker 2: Empire and he marked her neck up, giving a little
Speaker 2: homeboy a message that she's a fucking trader.
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 2: That was like fucking iconic, fucking iconic.
Speaker 3: Her her scenes were really good, like she was because
Speaker 3: she kept talking about Cleon the first and her feelings
Speaker 3: towards them and how it's very complicated.
Speaker 2: Well, she doesn't know how she feels for real because
Speaker 2: of this damn chip that he put in her right,
Speaker 2: So she's like a prisoner of his make and she
Speaker 2: will forever be tied to the quote unquote betterment of
Speaker 2: the Empire. She will never escape that. And she did
Speaker 2: everything in her power to break the plan with the
Speaker 2: Cloud Princess. What she wasn't counting on was that Brother
Speaker 2: Day was gonna die, leaving Don in charge.
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 2: So even if the Cloud Princess was quote unquote like
Speaker 2: a Trader. She would have been forgiven with this Don
Speaker 2: and Don and her like putting the fucking servants out
Speaker 2: there instead of doing it themselves, like claiming their throne,
Speaker 2: claiming their right to the empire, talking about how they're
Speaker 2: going to be the new leadership and then having them
Speaker 2: get arrested by guards in public looks really sketchy. And
Speaker 2: it's what I can see happening, is the loyalists and
Speaker 2: then the ones who are loyal to the empire, and
Speaker 2: how it's going to create like a rift between the
Speaker 2: whole system where some are gonna believe in the genetic
Speaker 2: empire while others are going to believe in this biological
Speaker 2: baby thing. And I think what Down said was like,
Speaker 2: I don't care who my baby grows up to be
Speaker 2: as long as he's loved. That was so good.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and so Down and Queen Sarah they get away.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're already gone because they pulled a fast one
Speaker 2: on her. Yeah, And you can tell she's pissed. She
Speaker 2: is pissed, and she sees the green mark on her
Speaker 2: neck and she's like, oh fuck, I've been like like
Speaker 2: obviously she knows something's afoot, something's awry, and like she
Speaker 2: already has a plan for when they get them off
Speaker 2: the stage, and you know she's gonna figure it out.
Speaker 2: But it turns out they're not even there, and that's iconic.
Speaker 3: Yeah. So did we understand the the face scrambler thing
Speaker 3: when it was removed? Like was everybody seeing that or
Speaker 3: was it just Demerzal and her crew there that was.
Speaker 2: I don't know, Yeah, but they cut the feed anyway.
Speaker 2: I'm sure they cut the feed before they arrested them,
Speaker 2: if anything. So I'm pretty sure nobody saw that they
Speaker 2: were servants except her Marsault and the people in that room.
Speaker 2: And I'm sad that old dusk died just for learning
Speaker 2: the truth. And he's like, I want to help you,
Speaker 2: and I know, like as soon as we stepped in here,
Speaker 2: we were dead, right, Like that sucks?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean he did not. He seemed pretty resigned that,
Speaker 3: like there was no way out of it for him. Yeah,
Speaker 3: that was kind of sad. And it's also like Demurseau
Speaker 3: can't let anyone help her and her programming to feel it.
Speaker 2: She's stuck, she can't fix it, and she's almost impossible
Speaker 2: to kill.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and so now I wonder because she has the
Speaker 3: prime radiant to remember the name this time she has
Speaker 3: that now, so like what doors does that open up for?
Speaker 3: Is she going to be able to change your programming
Speaker 3: or does she just wield more power.
Speaker 2: I think what she's able to do is see parts
Speaker 2: of like the large trajectory of what Empire can be
Speaker 2: and how to keep that going, because that's her ultimate goal.
Speaker 2: And she says the future is interesting or some shit
Speaker 2: like that, So I think that's going to be an
Speaker 2: interesting tool for her to have. But she's kind of scary.
Speaker 3: Yeah, now that we know how the lengths.
Speaker 2: Like, she's willing to kill Empire, She's willing to abandon Empire.
Speaker 2: She's willing to hunt after Empire in order to keep
Speaker 2: the genetic line clean and going. And she lost all
Speaker 2: three in one day.
Speaker 3: Yeah. You remember in season one she killed the.
Speaker 2: Dawn, Yeah, the one that was in love with that.
Speaker 3: Spy yeah, and that one the left handed yeah yeah.
Speaker 3: And it's like and we were just like, holy shit,
Speaker 3: But now it makes a lot more sense. She is
Speaker 3: forced to like protect this lineage. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So yeah, she's she's crazy robot with one directive.
Speaker 3: And another element of the Empire is that their whole
Speaker 3: fleet was destroyed at Terminus. That's that's the whole deal
Speaker 3: that the spacers did with ober. Mallow didn't understand exactly
Speaker 3: how that worked with that thing in his wrist.
Speaker 2: But it's like, uh, like the same thing as the
Speaker 2: jump sequence. Apparently like it fulled space or some shit.
Speaker 2: That's how you jump.
Speaker 3: So he was just like the memory card that they needed. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 3: So they destroyed the whole fleet and Brother Day and
Speaker 3: we lost the General bel Rios and Hobra Mallow and
Speaker 3: that wine turned out to be shit? The what the wine?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it probably was like, uh, you know how
Speaker 2: if you keep wine for too long it can turn
Speaker 2: into like vinegar? Yeah, hi, but it was something like
Speaker 2: that great in a salad. And they the spacers all
Speaker 2: died because each one of those ships has a spacer,
Speaker 2: and they're like, we're willing to make this sacrifice because
Speaker 2: a couple of us to save all of us. It's
Speaker 2: worth it, and I'm glad they took the deal, even
Speaker 2: though the deal was still a little iffy when we
Speaker 2: first heard it, because it was like, who do you
Speaker 2: want to work for them or us? You're still working,
Speaker 2: You're still going to do what you do. You're still
Speaker 2: going to be indentured servants, but maybe the deal was better.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, hopefully they have some agency.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it seems like they do based on what they did,
Speaker 2: So we'll see. I'm interested to see what role they
Speaker 2: play in the larger sense of it.
Speaker 3: I wrote down, is a frog's ass water tight?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 3: Who said that was? Yeah, I'll work that into my
Speaker 3: lingo at work.
Speaker 2: Don't you'll get you'll get the scent to hr you
Speaker 2: can't say ass at work?
Speaker 3: Yeah. So the result also hired the Blind Angels to
Speaker 3: do that assassination attempt, which was something I wasn't even
Speaker 3: sure we were going to get resolved. It seemed like
Speaker 3: they had kind of moved on from that. I wrote
Speaker 3: down Don's doing it again because last season he was
Speaker 3: also trying to escape with the girl. Yeah, even though
Speaker 3: this is a different character.
Speaker 2: But he's always like infatuated.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but worked out better this time. Hopefully we'll see. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I'm curious what's going to become of that because the
Speaker 3: very end of the episode kind of sets up that
Speaker 3: we're going to jump forward in time again.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: But speaking of that crew there on Ignes, so this
Speaker 3: whole time we kind of thought Gail was being sucked
Speaker 3: in by tell him's you know they're drinking the kool
Speaker 3: aid there. Yeah, it turns out she was actually playing
Speaker 3: her own game too. Yeah.
Speaker 2: She her and Harry mind melded, and she she used
Speaker 2: her abilities to breathe underwater somehow, because she's a fucking
Speaker 2: fish from fish World. She and she helped him murder
Speaker 2: that guy. She like used her her mental abilities to
Speaker 2: lure that guy into the water. Harry grabs him, chokes
Speaker 2: him out, and like kills him effectively, and Gail is
Speaker 2: right there doing the same actions. I'm like, girl, you
Speaker 2: better have been in the bathroom or somewhere where you're
Speaker 2: like er grunting and like making all this effort, like
Speaker 2: where were you?
Speaker 3: Like, But then in order to like get Harry out
Speaker 3: of there, like she has to go on the same
Speaker 3: walk with him, like walk the same distance. I'm like,
Speaker 3: at what point can you just like let him go
Speaker 3: on his own I don't know, maybe he was weak.
Speaker 2: That he was in the water for so long. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but her and Harry through this, I feel like they've
Speaker 2: gotten closer and he like saved her from homegirl trying
Speaker 2: to like mind meld with her, and he like bashed
Speaker 2: her brains in. I think that happened in the last episode. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and we like didn't really I feel like we didn't
Speaker 2: talk a lot about it, but it was fucked up
Speaker 2: seeing her and her brain caved in like that, Like
Speaker 2: that was fucking weird. And he's like very casual.
Speaker 3: I didn't really like.
Speaker 2: Her, but apparently she jumped her consciousness into the little
Speaker 2: boy that's been helping them. And I don't know how
Speaker 2: it happened or what happened, because what I thought I
Speaker 2: was watching was him pointing the gun at Gail, and
Speaker 2: I thought I saw what's her name, Salvor throwing the
Speaker 2: knife to kill him, but I didn't see her get
Speaker 2: in the way of the bullet.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it was very fast that.
Speaker 2: I was just as confused when when it was the
Speaker 2: body switching in the airlock thing, I was just like, wait,
Speaker 2: what just happened?
Speaker 3: And I'm like no, Yeah, when they revealed that it
Speaker 3: was Salvor that was shot, I was like, wait what
Speaker 3: because she was pretty far away.
Speaker 2: It was sad, but you know, the mule didn't kill her.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So I guess that was the takeaway is that
Speaker 3: they can still change the timeline.
Speaker 2: Yeah, nothing is set in stone. Even though you see
Speaker 2: it in the future doesn't mean it's going to happen
Speaker 2: in the future. The immediate present can change the future.
Speaker 2: I don't know though, that sucks. I really liked her
Speaker 2: as a character.
Speaker 3: Yeah, she was definitely a favorite, and she was one
Speaker 3: of the most like proactive characters.
Speaker 2: Yeah. She But sometimes the way that they're writing it
Speaker 2: feels like, oh, she can't do it without Harry. She
Speaker 2: couldn't figure out those sonar things without Harry. But she
Speaker 2: did that because he's not physically there. She had to
Speaker 2: climb up those foots walls, pulled down that equipment and
Speaker 2: reset it so that she could rescue Gail. And then
Speaker 2: she fought that guy who looked like her boyfriend to
Speaker 2: buy herself. She did a lot to try to like
Speaker 2: save the foundation, which I think is what Gail represents
Speaker 2: at this point. And I don't know, it's like she
Speaker 2: gave her life for it. It's like the funeral they
Speaker 2: gave her that was very nice. Did you notice that
Speaker 2: they panned over to the little girl that was kind
Speaker 2: of like the leader now and that she made kind
Speaker 2: of a face. What kind of face, I don't know,
Speaker 2: she made a face.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: Why they showed her face specifically, but it seemed vaguely
Speaker 2: important when they were burning up Gail's body, like they
Speaker 2: they showed a shot of that little girl specifically.
Speaker 3: Well, I do hope that Tellen wasn't able to jump again.
Speaker 2: You never know. That was a weird That was a
Speaker 2: weird camera like movement. Very interesting. But now so now
Speaker 2: they're like the second Foundation and they're going to like
Speaker 2: fall asleep and once a year they'll wake up and say, hey,
Speaker 2: what's up.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so that's so that's happening. Yeah, because all those
Speaker 3: people were under Telem's control and now they're free, and
Speaker 3: I guess they're willing to go along with this whole
Speaker 3: Foundation plan.
Speaker 2: They're like, we were in a colt before, and we
Speaker 2: need a colt now. We can't just be without a cult, right,
Speaker 2: need structure. So yeah, we need a leader. But if
Speaker 2: you're sleepy leader, that's better because then we can kind
Speaker 2: of do what we want.
Speaker 3: They're like, yeah, well, we'll do our homework in the
Speaker 3: next year. What else?
Speaker 2: I think that's it, unless you want to talk about
Speaker 2: how the vault rescued.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, homegirl, Yeah, because.
Speaker 2: She was the only one to survive that whole atrocity allegedly,
Speaker 2: like because we saw the planet die and then we
Speaker 2: saw all the ships burn, and so our assumption is
Speaker 2: that she's a sole survivor. But then lo and hold,
Speaker 2: that trapezoid comes in and traps her up like fucking
Speaker 2: pac man yep, and she gets out. I'm like, why
Speaker 2: didn't they show her like opening the hatchet, going sniffing
Speaker 2: out the air to see if it was cool to breathe.
Speaker 2: She didn't breathe it in until the door was all
Speaker 2: the way open, and I'm like, by then, it's too late, girl,
Speaker 2: all your oxygen is gone.
Speaker 3: Oh it was pretty much gone anyway.
Speaker 2: So yeah, but she's in this like dark abyss and
Speaker 2: her brother shows up, the brother from another mother, the
Speaker 2: religious brother. Yeah, he comes up and he hugs her
Speaker 2: and he's like, where's Hobo, And she's like, he didn't
Speaker 2: make it, and he kind of sad about it because
Speaker 2: they both think that he was like, uh, pivotal to
Speaker 2: the foundation because his name appeared like something out of
Speaker 2: Harry Potter, you know, or uh, you know, surrender Dorothy,
Speaker 2: like very like ominous the way that he came in
Speaker 2: onto the scene. And I really was surprised that they
Speaker 2: couldn't fit both of those motherfuckers in that little pod.
Speaker 3: Well physically, I think they could. I think the reasoning
Speaker 3: was the oxygen. It just it would have run out faster,
Speaker 3: I guess.
Speaker 2: But at least you're together. I don't want to die
Speaker 2: with some stranger. I'm going to die with my girlfriend
Speaker 2: that I have sex with. What the fuck?
Speaker 3: So yeah, so the I guess all of the Foundations
Speaker 3: has been relocated inside the vault, and I guess everyone
Speaker 3: on the planet actually, because we see.
Speaker 2: That husband made it, I was like, that's sad. You
Speaker 2: made it and your husband did it. That's why I'm
Speaker 2: thinking there's got to be like something that makes it
Speaker 2: so that they both lived that way. These two single
Speaker 2: gals are just single gals.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know, But I'm also really curious about
Speaker 3: where this goes from here, especially with Gleywyn, Like do
Speaker 3: they know like that he was part of the attack.
Speaker 3: Are they were going to hold that against him anyway?
Speaker 3: Or or is he gonna I think he's a rebel.
Speaker 3: I think he's anti I mean he was already like
Speaker 3: on the side of like, hey, like maybe we should
Speaker 3: consider flipping to the Foundation side because they're looking pretty strong,
Speaker 3: and it was bel Riosa was like, no empires are
Speaker 3: safe for bed. Yeah, so I'm hoping they keep him
Speaker 3: around the continue his storyline.
Speaker 2: We'll see, We'll see how it goes. They might jump
Speaker 2: us to one hundred and fifty years later and we
Speaker 2: don't see any of these motherfuckers anymore. It's very likely,
Speaker 2: but am.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I would. I think with the vault, I
Speaker 3: think anything's possible.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's kind of like what's the word for it,
Speaker 2: you know, and they like easy way out for writing, like,
Speaker 2: oh wow, we just destroyed a planning. But everybody's in
Speaker 2: the vault now. It's kind of like a life saver,
Speaker 2: like a hail Mary. I don't know what the analogy
Speaker 2: is that I'm looking for, but I know there's an
Speaker 2: analogy in writing.
Speaker 3: The Douce ex Machina. That's it.
Speaker 2: That's it, That's what it is.
Speaker 3: Yeah. So I guess everyone is getting put in their
Speaker 3: places for the next season, probably jumping ahead good chunk
Speaker 3: of time. We got a little teaser at the end
Speaker 3: with the Mule being like, uh, sheale my dream.
Speaker 2: She's in my dreams, you know what. I kind of
Speaker 2: get it.
Speaker 4: This bitch that won't stop talking about numbers always following
Speaker 4: you in your dreams, and his dreams are probably very
Speaker 4: similar to her dreams, where somebody is getting murdered by
Speaker 4: the other and it's like kill or be killed kind
Speaker 4: of situation, and I.
Speaker 2: Kind of get it. And my team mule, I don't.
Speaker 1: Know Astoral Queen. Who was the standout character in the episode.
Speaker 3: Oh, this is gonna be a tough one because we
Speaker 3: just got so much in this episode.
Speaker 2: I think mine's going to be the general who threw
Speaker 2: Day out of the air lock.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's definitely a strong contender. He's uh And I
Speaker 3: mean they made it so satisfying by making Empire just
Speaker 3: turned so horrible.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like laughing at the best of a planet calling
Speaker 2: it beautiful.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I mean the result was right to give
Speaker 3: up on him. Yeah, fucking sperm. Yeah, I liked him.
Speaker 3: I also liked the spacer names. She Bin's light.
Speaker 2: Oh that's a cool name.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, I'm not sure if that's the same one.
Speaker 2: I think that was her daughter.
Speaker 3: Salvor sacrificed herself.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she did a lot, and then she got duped
Speaker 2: by Gary and Gale too. She got duped. She's like,
Speaker 2: wait a minute, what everybody was what you're alive? But
Speaker 2: I thought you did. I held you in my arms dead.
Speaker 3: Crazy and I liked brother Don as well.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Don, we can call him baby baby daddy.
Speaker 3: Don mead brother Don baby Daddy. So who do I
Speaker 3: pick in all of this? You know, never picked any
Speaker 3: of the empires before you go with Brother Don.
Speaker 2: There you go.
Speaker 3: Which since we're at the end of season two, we
Speaker 3: can add all these up from across the whole season
Speaker 3: the tally. So you know season one we only did
Speaker 3: one episode covering that, so you had picked Demrzal and
Speaker 3: I had picked Salvar in that season. But season two
Speaker 3: with ten episodes and each of us with the vote,
Speaker 3: it's twenty votes and coming out on top is the
Speaker 3: Cloud Queen Woo.
Speaker 2: She made an impact, she did, and she.
Speaker 3: Got five votes, and right behind her is Salvo Harden
Speaker 3: with four. So those two very strong this season, very
Speaker 3: strong women. That's why Mextra sad to lose Salvor.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: After that was the Merzal with two and hober Mala
Speaker 3: with two. Everyone else in the season got one vote each.
Speaker 3: There you go. So that is that?
Speaker 2: All right? Spoilers tell me how these books are?
Speaker 3: Yes, so we're gonna do some books spoilers, so I'll
Speaker 3: go ahead and send the spoiler warning out and if
Speaker 3: you don't want to be potentially spoiled anything happening, then
Speaker 3: now's your time to exit and we'll see you next
Speaker 3: time for season three episode one, which at the time
Speaker 3: of this recording we don't know the title of it.
Speaker 1: Stylus in this group, brace for impact spoilers ahead. If
Speaker 1: you haven't read the book series, now maybe the time
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Speaker 1: In five four three two.
Speaker 3: One, the last episode we saw Cleton the first knows
Speaker 3: about Earth, and presumably he knows like that is Many's homeworld.
Speaker 3: So in the books, the knowledge of Earth has been
Speaker 3: lost and like no one really it's kind of a
Speaker 3: myth and no one really knows where it is, and
Speaker 3: the search for Earth becomes like a big part of
Speaker 3: the sequel books. So I'm wondering if that will find
Speaker 3: its way into the show where they're on a quest
Speaker 3: for Earth's kind of very very Battlestar Go Back to
Speaker 3: Go actually, but there's not really been a hint at
Speaker 3: that other than kind of mentioning Earth a couple times
Speaker 3: in there. The same thing with the robots. They've mentioned
Speaker 3: the Robot War in the show, which talked about before
Speaker 3: how Isaac Asimov kind of merged all his properties together
Speaker 3: and brought robots into the Foundation series, and robots play
Speaker 3: a big part in the fifth novel, Foundation and Earth,
Speaker 3: which is when they're out searching for Earth, they find
Speaker 3: planets that still have robots on them. So it's possible
Speaker 3: that in the show there's more robots out there. Okay,
Speaker 3: So the show surprised me with a few things because
Speaker 3: it really differed from the books, and one of those
Speaker 3: is the destruction of Terminus does not happened in the books.
Speaker 3: That is new territory. So I have no idea where
Speaker 3: they're going with all the characters in the vault. Are
Speaker 3: they going to set up shop somewhere else?
Speaker 2: Are they going to cup with the Second Foundation?
Speaker 3: I don't think so, because so in the books, the
Speaker 3: Second Foundation, well, the First Foundation never really knows about
Speaker 3: the Second Foundation, and when they do kind of learn
Speaker 3: about it, it's still like they don't have solid proof
Speaker 3: that exists in the second Foundation. Second Foundation basically exists
Speaker 3: to ensure the success of the first Foundation, so they're
Speaker 3: kind of manipulating things behind the scenes. They are a
Speaker 3: group of like psychic powered people.
Speaker 2: I wonder what should what should we call them? The
Speaker 2: mentalists set a thing, that's a thing. They should have
Speaker 2: a name. Don't they have a name? They call themselves.
Speaker 3: I feel like they do have a name. I don't know.
Speaker 3: Another big element in the books is this planet called Gaya,
Speaker 3: which is flow gay people. That could be ooh. Everyone
Speaker 3: on that planet is like their all their minds are linked.
Speaker 3: It's like a network. All the people, the animals of
Speaker 3: the attire planet do they eat meat? I think, so
Speaker 3: that's fucked up. But they it's like it's all operating
Speaker 3: as one kind of organism. I guess still fucked up. Man,
Speaker 3: And that planet has a desire to like make the
Speaker 3: whole galaxy like them.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, I don't know. If I want to be
Speaker 2: able to link up with my chicken and be like,
Speaker 2: you're gonna be fried chicken tomorrow.
Speaker 3: Well the chicken would be like, I understand my purpose.
Speaker 2: That's fucked up. No, the chicken should be like, no,
Speaker 2: I will fight you. You can't get me. I can
Speaker 2: fly away. I don't think chickens fly. I understand my purpose.
Speaker 2: And then he just lay it down and lets you
Speaker 2: kill it.
Speaker 3: That's Isaac if that's a thing. In The Hitchhiker's Guide
Speaker 3: to the Galaxy, they've like bred cows to want to
Speaker 3: be eaten, and so most of the characters in the
Speaker 3: show would be dead at this point in the novels
Speaker 3: because they don't. They don't stick around very long. They don't.
Speaker 3: So and then the Mule is a big character comes
Speaker 3: in I think in the second novel and then the
Speaker 3: big part of the third novel, so I think he's
Speaker 3: kind of the main antagonist of the series. So it's
Speaker 3: definitely looks like we're going to be dealing with him
Speaker 3: next season.
Speaker 2: We all caught up, I think.
Speaker 3: So I know there's like some casting news for season
Speaker 3: three about more book characters coming in. One of them,
Speaker 3: as I said before, is Alexander Sadig, who was doctor Basher,
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, who already played a character in the show
Speaker 3: in the pilot episode.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was like one of the doctors or something.
Speaker 3: He was I think he was like a lawyer or
Speaker 3: something in the trial. But yeah, he's coming back to
Speaker 3: a different character, and the mule has also been recast,
Speaker 3: so it'll be a different face on him. But that's
Speaker 3: really all I know. You haven't.
Speaker 2: Don't find thoughts any of the books.
Speaker 1: I know.
Speaker 2: I just watched the show Man. I think that little
Speaker 2: girl that fucking tanned to that little girl was significant.
Speaker 2: I don't know how or why. It was very small,
Speaker 2: very slight, but I think it mattered. So we're gonna
Speaker 2: see we shall grow up to be a bitch.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
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Speaker 3: Or we could say to Becky's our soul?
Speaker 2: You said our soul?
Speaker 3: Yeah that's how he says it. Okay, that's how the
Speaker 3: closed captionings did it.
Speaker 2: They put the R in it. Yeah, it's really funny. Okay,
Speaker 2: Please respect and enjoys a peace. I missed that one.
Speaker 2: They haven't said it in a.
Speaker 3: Laugh, Well, that hasn't been peaceful in a while.
Speaker 2: You're right,