WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.160 --> 00:00:03.960 Welcome to spacing Out with BB and Jason this week 2 00:00:04.000 --> 00:00:12.839 covering Foundation season two, episode ten, Creation Myths. 3 00:00:13.919 --> 00:00:15.080 Welcome to spacing Out. 4 00:00:15.160 --> 00:00:18.440 I'm BB and I'm Jason, and we are discussing the 5 00:00:18.519 --> 00:00:22.079 Apple TV sci fi series Foundation, one episode at a 6 00:00:22.120 --> 00:00:25.600 time and spoiler free, although we actually can't spoil anything 7 00:00:25.640 --> 00:00:26.760 because we're finally caught up. 8 00:00:27.239 --> 00:00:30.320 We haven't, there's no more. But there is going to 9 00:00:30.359 --> 00:00:31.719 be a book talk at the end. 10 00:00:32.240 --> 00:00:34.520 Yeah, So I'm going to go through a few things 11 00:00:34.679 --> 00:00:36.119 from the books at the end, and I'm going to 12 00:00:36.159 --> 00:00:39.320 flag it as spoilery because it might be spoilery. I 13 00:00:39.320 --> 00:00:40.960 don't know, sound no, right, you don't know. 14 00:00:40.920 --> 00:00:43.200 How faithful they are to the material. 15 00:00:42.880 --> 00:00:46.359 All right. So in this episode, Gale, Salvoor and Harry 16 00:00:46.479 --> 00:00:50.560 try a new path forward on Ignes Demerzial heads to Trantor, 17 00:00:50.719 --> 00:00:54.399 taking actions that will change Empire forever. And then people 18 00:00:54.479 --> 00:00:56.039 died and other people lived. 19 00:00:56.280 --> 00:01:02.719 Yeah, Vive check did we like the episode overall? 20 00:01:02.920 --> 00:01:04.439 Did you like the episode overall? 21 00:01:04.799 --> 00:01:07.120 Yeah? I liked it. I thought it was a good ending. 22 00:01:07.359 --> 00:01:10.840 I left you wanting more, but it gave a lot 23 00:01:10.879 --> 00:01:13.519 of answers to certain things that they kind of set 24 00:01:13.599 --> 00:01:16.599 up the previous episode. So I thought that was good. 25 00:01:16.799 --> 00:01:17.280 I liked it. 26 00:01:17.400 --> 00:01:19.480 Yeah, I thought it was a really strong episode. I 27 00:01:19.560 --> 00:01:22.560 was really excited, like all week just waiting to watch it. 28 00:01:22.920 --> 00:01:25.920 Yeah and yeah, I mean the season really came together 29 00:01:26.239 --> 00:01:29.560 and paid off well. And my only concern that we'll 30 00:01:29.719 --> 00:01:32.040 We'll get into it later, but like, I feel like 31 00:01:32.439 --> 00:01:35.519 a lot of characters that were making the show interesting died. 32 00:01:35.959 --> 00:01:38.879 You'll have to name them because I can only think 33 00:01:38.959 --> 00:01:39.280 of one. 34 00:01:39.439 --> 00:01:40.959 You said a lot. I mean, we talked a lot 35 00:01:40.959 --> 00:01:44.000 about how season one didn't work very well for us 36 00:01:44.120 --> 00:01:47.560 and season two was a lot better, and mainly because well, 37 00:01:47.599 --> 00:01:50.280 one they kind of restructured how they were doing the storytelling. 38 00:01:50.480 --> 00:01:52.760 Then they also added a number of new characters that 39 00:01:52.799 --> 00:01:54.040 brought a lot of life to the show. 40 00:01:54.680 --> 00:01:58.560 Yeah, Okay, now I'm remembering some of the debts sad. 41 00:02:00.200 --> 00:02:03.040 Yeah, so it makes me like I'm excited for the 42 00:02:03.079 --> 00:02:05.359 next season, but I'm also like, man, we're I know 43 00:02:05.400 --> 00:02:07.640 they're going to bring in more characters because I know that, 44 00:02:07.719 --> 00:02:09.039 but you never know. 45 00:02:09.120 --> 00:02:12.840 There might be uh Harry Selden switcheroo on y. There 46 00:02:12.840 --> 00:02:15.520 were a couple of deaths that we thought happened, and 47 00:02:15.560 --> 00:02:18.560 then all of a sudden here I am alive and well, 48 00:02:18.960 --> 00:02:22.080 so you never know, they might have rescued somebody. I'm 49 00:02:22.120 --> 00:02:23.680 really hoping that for Hobo. 50 00:02:23.479 --> 00:02:29.919 Mellow trivia time, What facts or news could we uncover 51 00:02:30.039 --> 00:02:31.039 for Creation Myths? 52 00:02:31.319 --> 00:02:36.080 All right? This was Foundation season two, episode ten, Creation Myths, 53 00:02:36.120 --> 00:02:39.680 and this aired on September fifteenth, twenty twenty three. Written 54 00:02:39.719 --> 00:02:43.199 by Davides Koyer and Liz Pang and directed by Alex Graves. 55 00:02:43.439 --> 00:02:47.080 So these sequence where Brother Constant is rescued by the vault, 56 00:02:47.360 --> 00:02:49.960 with Polly Selden and the others emerging from the bright 57 00:02:50.039 --> 00:02:52.199 light and the pan up to the balconies full of people. 58 00:02:52.280 --> 00:02:55.719 It's a clear visual homage to the Mothership interior at 59 00:02:55.719 --> 00:02:59.000 the end of the extended edition of Close Encounters of 60 00:02:59.039 --> 00:03:01.240 the third kind O Nerd movie. 61 00:03:01.360 --> 00:03:03.360 I don't I don't think I've ever seen it. Is 62 00:03:03.400 --> 00:03:04.800 that the one with James Cameron. 63 00:03:05.039 --> 00:03:07.960 No, it's a Spielbird movie. It's fairly old. I think 64 00:03:07.960 --> 00:03:09.000 it's in the seventies. 65 00:03:09.199 --> 00:03:11.879 Is it the one with all the. 66 00:03:11.039 --> 00:03:13.680 They play the music notes that communicate. 67 00:03:13.240 --> 00:03:17.199 Oh, I'm thinking of the other one contact. No, it's 68 00:03:17.240 --> 00:03:19.400 all the satellite dishes. 69 00:03:21.360 --> 00:03:25.400 So this episode was well received by critics and then. Overall, 70 00:03:25.439 --> 00:03:28.719 the second season received more positive reviews, with many agreeing 71 00:03:28.759 --> 00:03:31.520 it was an improvement over its first season, emphasizing the 72 00:03:31.560 --> 00:03:36.560 more accessible pacing, better plot, improved interpersonal characterizations, and overall 73 00:03:36.560 --> 00:03:40.039 satisfaction with the season's payoffs. Yeah that's what we just said. 74 00:03:40.560 --> 00:03:42.479 Well, I was going to say, who are we critics? 75 00:03:43.560 --> 00:03:47.879 Good Rotten Tomatoes second season has one hundred percent approval rating, 76 00:03:48.000 --> 00:03:50.560 with an average rating of eight out of ten, compared 77 00:03:50.599 --> 00:03:53.080 to season one, which had seventy two and a seven 78 00:03:53.120 --> 00:03:57.360 point one in. Season three set to premiere on July eleventh, 79 00:03:57.479 --> 00:04:00.800 twenty twenty five, which will be just a few days 80 00:04:00.960 --> 00:04:04.919 after this episode comes out. Cool, and I'm sure there's 81 00:04:04.919 --> 00:04:07.439 more news about season three. I just haven't really doped 82 00:04:07.479 --> 00:04:10.400 into it because I didn't want to spoil myself on 83 00:04:10.479 --> 00:04:13.199 the end of season two. So but we'll just go 84 00:04:13.280 --> 00:04:17.399 into that news when we do start season three. 85 00:04:18.800 --> 00:04:22.360 Deep Space Dive, let's break down some of our thoughts 86 00:04:22.360 --> 00:04:25.519 on the episode. You can share your thoughts with us 87 00:04:25.519 --> 00:04:29.279 through email or social media. We may use your comments 88 00:04:29.319 --> 00:04:30.759 on an upcoming episode. 89 00:04:31.079 --> 00:04:36.839 Dude, Hobo, Mellow and the Spacers did make a secret alliance, yep, 90 00:04:37.199 --> 00:04:41.120 and their whole I'm turning you into the governor. Bit 91 00:04:41.399 --> 00:04:46.000 was a fucking deploy to get motherfuckers out there. Crazy. 92 00:04:46.079 --> 00:04:50.480 Yeah, this whole thing, like everyone was playing three D chess. 93 00:04:51.000 --> 00:04:54.560 Yeah, this whole thing. Everybody was like showing their cards 94 00:04:54.600 --> 00:04:58.480 and they were crazy. And then when the white guy 95 00:04:58.600 --> 00:05:02.279 was fighting the Empire and he like switches up and 96 00:05:02.319 --> 00:05:05.800 he's wearing Empires clothes, I was so confused. I was like, 97 00:05:05.959 --> 00:05:07.600 who just went out of the airlock? 98 00:05:08.199 --> 00:05:08.759 Yeah. 99 00:05:08.800 --> 00:05:11.800 I was so confused because he was wearing Homeboy's clothes 100 00:05:12.120 --> 00:05:14.319 and I was like, that doesn't look like Homeboy And 101 00:05:14.360 --> 00:05:19.399 because of the VFX, I couldn't recognize Empire in this 102 00:05:19.839 --> 00:05:22.120 frozen space state. 103 00:05:22.519 --> 00:05:25.560 Yeah. That definitely tripped me up. I'm like, wait, what happened? 104 00:05:25.759 --> 00:05:28.600 And then I was as confused as those dumb ass guards. 105 00:05:28.839 --> 00:05:31.560 Yeah, and I'm trying to remember because it took us 106 00:05:31.600 --> 00:05:33.519 a while to watch the season. It was more than 107 00:05:33.720 --> 00:05:36.000 more than the ten weeks or whatever. We had some 108 00:05:36.040 --> 00:05:37.680 breaks in there, so it's been a long time since 109 00:05:37.720 --> 00:05:41.079 we saw like Cobra Malow's little tricks about switching spaces 110 00:05:41.120 --> 00:05:41.680 and stuff. Yeah. 111 00:05:41.720 --> 00:05:47.040 Yeah, yeah, that was so cool, like and how satisfying 112 00:05:47.720 --> 00:05:52.240 to be that man who just like listen to your orders, 113 00:05:52.279 --> 00:05:55.079 Like I just destroyed a whole fucking planet with my 114 00:05:55.319 --> 00:05:58.879 fucking husband on it, and now you want to go 115 00:05:58.959 --> 00:06:04.680 around and just meticulously kill every other planet that you 116 00:06:04.680 --> 00:06:07.759 don't agree with. No, I ain't doing that shit, and 117 00:06:07.800 --> 00:06:10.639 we're gonna fight. And Empire was so cocky. 118 00:06:11.160 --> 00:06:13.279 He's like, ha ha ha ha ha ha. 119 00:06:13.800 --> 00:06:16.560 I like the taste of my own blood. And I 120 00:06:16.639 --> 00:06:19.319 was like, no, thank god you wanted him to be 121 00:06:19.560 --> 00:06:20.639 just taught a lesson. 122 00:06:21.199 --> 00:06:23.040 Yeah, nobody felt bad for that death. 123 00:06:23.759 --> 00:06:26.959 And the guards were like, I guess we're pointing our 124 00:06:27.000 --> 00:06:29.360 guns at you, and he's like, we're all gonna die. 125 00:06:29.839 --> 00:06:32.439 Don't you want to do something where you're not just 126 00:06:33.199 --> 00:06:35.720 trying to execute me? And they're like taking off the 127 00:06:35.759 --> 00:06:39.560 helmet and he's like, how long do I got? That 128 00:06:39.680 --> 00:06:43.759 was iconic. Also, that guard without his freaking helmet way 129 00:06:43.879 --> 00:06:47.560 less intimidating, right, he just looks like a regular guy 130 00:06:47.759 --> 00:06:53.160 that's like, yeah, like a grocery store person, Like he 131 00:06:53.240 --> 00:06:57.160 has like a wife and kids and shit like yeah. 132 00:06:57.199 --> 00:07:00.319 And it kind of makes me think of how all 133 00:07:00.399 --> 00:07:04.439 of these like, al right, people are making it a 134 00:07:04.519 --> 00:07:08.199 thing to cover their faces for anonymnity, and I think 135 00:07:08.439 --> 00:07:11.439 there is like something to that where it's like, if 136 00:07:11.439 --> 00:07:13.519 we see your face, we know who you are, but 137 00:07:13.560 --> 00:07:16.439 you're also like a human and you're trying to do 138 00:07:16.519 --> 00:07:20.199 things that are inhuman. Uh So, it's just very interesting 139 00:07:20.279 --> 00:07:23.759 to see that facade kind of come down and drumosoult 140 00:07:23.839 --> 00:07:27.920 that has no idea this happen. And she killed old 141 00:07:27.920 --> 00:07:32.800 Empire and he marked her neck up, giving a little 142 00:07:32.839 --> 00:07:36.240 homeboy a message that she's a fucking trader. 143 00:07:36.639 --> 00:07:36.959 Yep. 144 00:07:37.360 --> 00:07:41.199 That was like fucking iconic, fucking iconic. 145 00:07:41.759 --> 00:07:45.079 Her her scenes were really good, like she was because 146 00:07:45.079 --> 00:07:48.680 she kept talking about Cleon the first and her feelings 147 00:07:48.680 --> 00:07:50.800 towards them and how it's very complicated. 148 00:07:51.040 --> 00:07:53.800 Well, she doesn't know how she feels for real because 149 00:07:53.800 --> 00:07:56.160 of this damn chip that he put in her right, 150 00:07:56.439 --> 00:08:00.800 So she's like a prisoner of his make and she 151 00:08:00.839 --> 00:08:07.160 will forever be tied to the quote unquote betterment of 152 00:08:07.199 --> 00:08:11.000 the Empire. She will never escape that. And she did 153 00:08:11.199 --> 00:08:16.279 everything in her power to break the plan with the 154 00:08:16.360 --> 00:08:20.839 Cloud Princess. What she wasn't counting on was that Brother 155 00:08:21.000 --> 00:08:24.480 Day was gonna die, leaving Don in charge. 156 00:08:25.360 --> 00:08:25.600 Yep. 157 00:08:26.079 --> 00:08:29.959 So even if the Cloud Princess was quote unquote like 158 00:08:30.160 --> 00:08:33.960 a Trader. She would have been forgiven with this Don 159 00:08:35.200 --> 00:08:39.559 and Don and her like putting the fucking servants out 160 00:08:39.600 --> 00:08:43.480 there instead of doing it themselves, like claiming their throne, 161 00:08:43.600 --> 00:08:47.440 claiming their right to the empire, talking about how they're 162 00:08:47.480 --> 00:08:52.360 going to be the new leadership and then having them 163 00:08:52.360 --> 00:08:56.559 get arrested by guards in public looks really sketchy. And 164 00:08:56.600 --> 00:09:00.279 it's what I can see happening, is the loyalists and 165 00:09:00.320 --> 00:09:03.600 then the ones who are loyal to the empire, and 166 00:09:03.919 --> 00:09:07.720 how it's going to create like a rift between the 167 00:09:07.840 --> 00:09:12.159 whole system where some are gonna believe in the genetic 168 00:09:12.240 --> 00:09:15.559 empire while others are going to believe in this biological 169 00:09:15.639 --> 00:09:19.360 baby thing. And I think what Down said was like, 170 00:09:19.639 --> 00:09:22.679 I don't care who my baby grows up to be 171 00:09:22.919 --> 00:09:25.279 as long as he's loved. That was so good. 172 00:09:25.879 --> 00:09:30.720 Yeah, and so Down and Queen Sarah they get away. 173 00:09:31.000 --> 00:09:34.200 Yeah, they're already gone because they pulled a fast one 174 00:09:34.200 --> 00:09:37.159 on her. Yeah, And you can tell she's pissed. She 175 00:09:37.360 --> 00:09:39.960 is pissed, and she sees the green mark on her 176 00:09:40.039 --> 00:09:43.559 neck and she's like, oh fuck, I've been like like 177 00:09:44.120 --> 00:09:48.480 obviously she knows something's afoot, something's awry, and like she 178 00:09:48.559 --> 00:09:50.720 already has a plan for when they get them off 179 00:09:50.720 --> 00:09:53.840 the stage, and you know she's gonna figure it out. 180 00:09:54.320 --> 00:09:57.440 But it turns out they're not even there, and that's iconic. 181 00:09:57.679 --> 00:10:01.480 Yeah. So did we understand the the face scrambler thing 182 00:10:01.720 --> 00:10:05.039 when it was removed? Like was everybody seeing that or 183 00:10:05.080 --> 00:10:07.759 was it just Demerzal and her crew there that was. 184 00:10:09.240 --> 00:10:13.679 I don't know, Yeah, but they cut the feed anyway. 185 00:10:13.840 --> 00:10:16.799 I'm sure they cut the feed before they arrested them, 186 00:10:16.840 --> 00:10:19.759 if anything. So I'm pretty sure nobody saw that they 187 00:10:19.799 --> 00:10:23.639 were servants except her Marsault and the people in that room. 188 00:10:23.919 --> 00:10:29.879 And I'm sad that old dusk died just for learning 189 00:10:29.919 --> 00:10:31.840 the truth. And he's like, I want to help you, 190 00:10:31.919 --> 00:10:34.000 and I know, like as soon as we stepped in here, 191 00:10:34.039 --> 00:10:36.120 we were dead, right, Like that sucks? 192 00:10:36.840 --> 00:10:39.879 Yeah, I mean he did not. He seemed pretty resigned that, 193 00:10:40.000 --> 00:10:42.600 like there was no way out of it for him. Yeah, 194 00:10:42.639 --> 00:10:45.799 that was kind of sad. And it's also like Demurseau 195 00:10:46.039 --> 00:10:49.799 can't let anyone help her and her programming to feel it. 196 00:10:51.200 --> 00:10:55.120 She's stuck, she can't fix it, and she's almost impossible 197 00:10:55.159 --> 00:10:55.559 to kill. 198 00:10:55.799 --> 00:10:58.360 Yeah, and so now I wonder because she has the 199 00:10:59.080 --> 00:11:03.480 prime radiant to remember the name this time she has 200 00:11:03.480 --> 00:11:05.960 that now, so like what doors does that open up for? 201 00:11:06.559 --> 00:11:09.000 Is she going to be able to change your programming 202 00:11:09.080 --> 00:11:10.639 or does she just wield more power. 203 00:11:11.360 --> 00:11:14.720 I think what she's able to do is see parts 204 00:11:14.759 --> 00:11:20.000 of like the large trajectory of what Empire can be 205 00:11:20.399 --> 00:11:23.840 and how to keep that going, because that's her ultimate goal. 206 00:11:24.039 --> 00:11:26.720 And she says the future is interesting or some shit 207 00:11:26.879 --> 00:11:30.120 like that, So I think that's going to be an 208 00:11:30.120 --> 00:11:35.240 interesting tool for her to have. But she's kind of scary. 209 00:11:35.559 --> 00:11:39.159 Yeah, now that we know how the lengths. 210 00:11:38.399 --> 00:11:43.559 Like, she's willing to kill Empire, She's willing to abandon Empire. 211 00:11:43.960 --> 00:11:47.679 She's willing to hunt after Empire in order to keep 212 00:11:48.320 --> 00:11:52.799 the genetic line clean and going. And she lost all 213 00:11:52.879 --> 00:11:54.240 three in one day. 214 00:11:54.639 --> 00:11:58.279 Yeah. You remember in season one she killed the. 215 00:11:58.559 --> 00:12:01.600 Dawn, Yeah, the one that was in love with that. 216 00:12:03.159 --> 00:12:06.600 Spy yeah, and that one the left handed yeah yeah. 217 00:12:06.639 --> 00:12:08.399 And it's like and we were just like, holy shit, 218 00:12:08.639 --> 00:12:10.919 But now it makes a lot more sense. She is 219 00:12:11.399 --> 00:12:13.919 forced to like protect this lineage. Yeah. 220 00:12:13.960 --> 00:12:18.840 So yeah, she's she's crazy robot with one directive. 221 00:12:19.000 --> 00:12:22.120 And another element of the Empire is that their whole 222 00:12:22.159 --> 00:12:25.919 fleet was destroyed at Terminus. That's that's the whole deal 223 00:12:26.000 --> 00:12:29.759 that the spacers did with ober. Mallow didn't understand exactly 224 00:12:29.759 --> 00:12:31.720 how that worked with that thing in his wrist. 225 00:12:31.480 --> 00:12:34.639 But it's like, uh, like the same thing as the 226 00:12:34.720 --> 00:12:38.519 jump sequence. Apparently like it fulled space or some shit. 227 00:12:38.720 --> 00:12:39.519 That's how you jump. 228 00:12:39.720 --> 00:12:43.600 So he was just like the memory card that they needed. Yeah. Yeah, 229 00:12:43.639 --> 00:12:46.799 So they destroyed the whole fleet and Brother Day and 230 00:12:47.159 --> 00:12:51.759 we lost the General bel Rios and Hobra Mallow and 231 00:12:51.799 --> 00:12:54.799 that wine turned out to be shit? The what the wine? 232 00:12:55.200 --> 00:12:59.399 Oh yeah, it probably was like, uh, you know how 233 00:12:59.440 --> 00:13:02.879 if you keep wine for too long it can turn 234 00:13:02.960 --> 00:13:06.320 into like vinegar? Yeah, hi, but it was something like 235 00:13:06.399 --> 00:13:12.480 that great in a salad. And they the spacers all 236 00:13:12.559 --> 00:13:15.120 died because each one of those ships has a spacer, 237 00:13:15.320 --> 00:13:18.000 and they're like, we're willing to make this sacrifice because 238 00:13:18.039 --> 00:13:21.240 a couple of us to save all of us. It's 239 00:13:21.279 --> 00:13:23.720 worth it, and I'm glad they took the deal, even 240 00:13:23.759 --> 00:13:25.960 though the deal was still a little iffy when we 241 00:13:26.080 --> 00:13:28.320 first heard it, because it was like, who do you 242 00:13:28.320 --> 00:13:31.000 want to work for them or us? You're still working, 243 00:13:31.080 --> 00:13:33.080 You're still going to do what you do. You're still 244 00:13:33.080 --> 00:13:37.639 going to be indentured servants, but maybe the deal was better. 245 00:13:37.720 --> 00:13:38.159 I don't know. 246 00:13:38.320 --> 00:13:40.840 Yeah, well, hopefully they have some agency. 247 00:13:41.480 --> 00:13:44.519 Yeah, it seems like they do based on what they did, 248 00:13:44.919 --> 00:13:48.960 So we'll see. I'm interested to see what role they 249 00:13:49.039 --> 00:13:51.679 play in the larger sense of it. 250 00:13:51.840 --> 00:13:54.519 I wrote down, is a frog's ass water tight? 251 00:13:54.840 --> 00:13:55.039 Yes? 252 00:13:55.200 --> 00:14:00.159 Who said that was? Yeah, I'll work that into my 253 00:14:00.720 --> 00:14:01.399 lingo at work. 254 00:14:01.759 --> 00:14:06.559 Don't you'll get you'll get the scent to hr you 255 00:14:06.679 --> 00:14:07.919 can't say ass at work? 256 00:14:09.120 --> 00:14:13.279 Yeah. So the result also hired the Blind Angels to 257 00:14:13.399 --> 00:14:16.799 do that assassination attempt, which was something I wasn't even 258 00:14:16.799 --> 00:14:18.320 sure we were going to get resolved. It seemed like 259 00:14:18.320 --> 00:14:20.159 they had kind of moved on from that. I wrote 260 00:14:20.200 --> 00:14:23.919 down Don's doing it again because last season he was 261 00:14:23.919 --> 00:14:27.039 also trying to escape with the girl. Yeah, even though 262 00:14:27.159 --> 00:14:28.360 this is a different character. 263 00:14:28.159 --> 00:14:30.639 But he's always like infatuated. 264 00:14:31.159 --> 00:14:35.240 Yeah, but worked out better this time. Hopefully we'll see. Yeah, 265 00:14:35.320 --> 00:14:37.919 I'm curious what's going to become of that because the 266 00:14:38.279 --> 00:14:40.320 very end of the episode kind of sets up that 267 00:14:40.679 --> 00:14:42.399 we're going to jump forward in time again. 268 00:14:42.799 --> 00:14:43.000 Yeah. 269 00:14:43.840 --> 00:14:48.000 But speaking of that crew there on Ignes, so this 270 00:14:48.080 --> 00:14:51.240 whole time we kind of thought Gail was being sucked 271 00:14:51.279 --> 00:14:54.399 in by tell him's you know they're drinking the kool 272 00:14:54.399 --> 00:14:57.399 aid there. Yeah, it turns out she was actually playing 273 00:14:57.519 --> 00:14:59.000 her own game too. Yeah. 274 00:14:59.600 --> 00:15:05.159 She her and Harry mind melded, and she she used 275 00:15:05.240 --> 00:15:09.639 her abilities to breathe underwater somehow, because she's a fucking 276 00:15:09.799 --> 00:15:15.679 fish from fish World. She and she helped him murder 277 00:15:15.840 --> 00:15:21.879 that guy. She like used her her mental abilities to 278 00:15:22.120 --> 00:15:26.600 lure that guy into the water. Harry grabs him, chokes 279 00:15:26.679 --> 00:15:30.639 him out, and like kills him effectively, and Gail is 280 00:15:30.919 --> 00:15:35.279 right there doing the same actions. I'm like, girl, you 281 00:15:35.399 --> 00:15:38.600 better have been in the bathroom or somewhere where you're 282 00:15:38.679 --> 00:15:44.600 like er grunting and like making all this effort, like 283 00:15:44.720 --> 00:15:45.360 where were you? 284 00:15:45.840 --> 00:15:49.480 Like, But then in order to like get Harry out 285 00:15:49.519 --> 00:15:51.720 of there, like she has to go on the same 286 00:15:51.799 --> 00:15:54.320 walk with him, like walk the same distance. I'm like, 287 00:15:54.320 --> 00:15:56.200 at what point can you just like let him go 288 00:15:56.360 --> 00:15:58.679 on his own I don't know, maybe he was weak. 289 00:16:00.240 --> 00:16:02.159 That he was in the water for so long. Yeah, 290 00:16:02.840 --> 00:16:07.679 but her and Harry through this, I feel like they've 291 00:16:07.759 --> 00:16:12.279 gotten closer and he like saved her from homegirl trying 292 00:16:12.320 --> 00:16:15.480 to like mind meld with her, and he like bashed 293 00:16:15.519 --> 00:16:19.279 her brains in. I think that happened in the last episode. Yeah, 294 00:16:19.320 --> 00:16:21.320 and we like didn't really I feel like we didn't 295 00:16:21.360 --> 00:16:23.559 talk a lot about it, but it was fucked up 296 00:16:23.879 --> 00:16:26.879 seeing her and her brain caved in like that, Like 297 00:16:27.039 --> 00:16:30.399 that was fucking weird. And he's like very casual. 298 00:16:30.519 --> 00:16:31.399 I didn't really like. 299 00:16:31.480 --> 00:16:37.279 Her, but apparently she jumped her consciousness into the little 300 00:16:37.360 --> 00:16:40.399 boy that's been helping them. And I don't know how 301 00:16:40.480 --> 00:16:44.039 it happened or what happened, because what I thought I 302 00:16:44.200 --> 00:16:47.039 was watching was him pointing the gun at Gail, and 303 00:16:47.960 --> 00:16:53.639 I thought I saw what's her name, Salvor throwing the 304 00:16:53.720 --> 00:16:56.279 knife to kill him, but I didn't see her get 305 00:16:56.360 --> 00:16:57.480 in the way of the bullet. 306 00:16:58.080 --> 00:17:00.159 Yeah, I think it was very fast that. 307 00:17:00.600 --> 00:17:03.799 I was just as confused when when it was the 308 00:17:03.879 --> 00:17:07.160 body switching in the airlock thing, I was just like, wait, 309 00:17:07.279 --> 00:17:08.279 what just happened? 310 00:17:08.720 --> 00:17:11.799 And I'm like no, Yeah, when they revealed that it 311 00:17:11.960 --> 00:17:14.279 was Salvor that was shot, I was like, wait what 312 00:17:14.759 --> 00:17:16.599 because she was pretty far away. 313 00:17:17.480 --> 00:17:20.279 It was sad, but you know, the mule didn't kill her. 314 00:17:20.799 --> 00:17:22.440 Yeah, So I guess that was the takeaway is that 315 00:17:22.640 --> 00:17:24.720 they can still change the timeline. 316 00:17:25.119 --> 00:17:27.880 Yeah, nothing is set in stone. Even though you see 317 00:17:27.920 --> 00:17:29.880 it in the future doesn't mean it's going to happen 318 00:17:29.960 --> 00:17:33.720 in the future. The immediate present can change the future. 319 00:17:34.279 --> 00:17:36.960 I don't know though, that sucks. I really liked her 320 00:17:37.039 --> 00:17:37.720 as a character. 321 00:17:38.319 --> 00:17:40.519 Yeah, she was definitely a favorite, and she was one 322 00:17:40.559 --> 00:17:42.920 of the most like proactive characters. 323 00:17:43.160 --> 00:17:47.920 Yeah. She But sometimes the way that they're writing it 324 00:17:48.079 --> 00:17:51.680 feels like, oh, she can't do it without Harry. She 325 00:17:51.839 --> 00:17:55.880 couldn't figure out those sonar things without Harry. But she 326 00:17:56.079 --> 00:17:58.920 did that because he's not physically there. She had to 327 00:17:59.000 --> 00:18:02.960 climb up those foots walls, pulled down that equipment and 328 00:18:03.200 --> 00:18:06.039 reset it so that she could rescue Gail. And then 329 00:18:06.119 --> 00:18:09.839 she fought that guy who looked like her boyfriend to 330 00:18:10.720 --> 00:18:13.559 buy herself. She did a lot to try to like 331 00:18:13.839 --> 00:18:17.920 save the foundation, which I think is what Gail represents 332 00:18:18.400 --> 00:18:21.960 at this point. And I don't know, it's like she 333 00:18:22.119 --> 00:18:24.440 gave her life for it. It's like the funeral they 334 00:18:24.480 --> 00:18:27.200 gave her that was very nice. Did you notice that 335 00:18:27.279 --> 00:18:29.680 they panned over to the little girl that was kind 336 00:18:29.720 --> 00:18:32.279 of like the leader now and that she made kind 337 00:18:32.319 --> 00:18:34.559 of a face. What kind of face, I don't know, 338 00:18:34.759 --> 00:18:35.559 she made a face. 339 00:18:35.720 --> 00:18:36.079 I don't know. 340 00:18:36.160 --> 00:18:39.079 Why they showed her face specifically, but it seemed vaguely 341 00:18:39.160 --> 00:18:43.240 important when they were burning up Gail's body, like they 342 00:18:44.000 --> 00:18:46.880 they showed a shot of that little girl specifically. 343 00:18:47.160 --> 00:18:50.359 Well, I do hope that Tellen wasn't able to jump again. 344 00:18:50.960 --> 00:18:53.799 You never know. That was a weird That was a 345 00:18:53.920 --> 00:18:59.559 weird camera like movement. Very interesting. But now so now 346 00:18:59.759 --> 00:19:03.960 they're like the second Foundation and they're going to like 347 00:19:04.240 --> 00:19:07.079 fall asleep and once a year they'll wake up and say, hey, 348 00:19:07.160 --> 00:19:07.559 what's up. 349 00:19:08.119 --> 00:19:11.839 Yeah, so that's so that's happening. Yeah, because all those 350 00:19:11.920 --> 00:19:15.079 people were under Telem's control and now they're free, and 351 00:19:15.559 --> 00:19:18.079 I guess they're willing to go along with this whole 352 00:19:18.160 --> 00:19:18.960 Foundation plan. 353 00:19:19.240 --> 00:19:21.920 They're like, we were in a colt before, and we 354 00:19:22.079 --> 00:19:25.400 need a colt now. We can't just be without a cult, right, 355 00:19:25.559 --> 00:19:29.960 need structure. So yeah, we need a leader. But if 356 00:19:30.000 --> 00:19:32.720 you're sleepy leader, that's better because then we can kind 357 00:19:32.759 --> 00:19:33.559 of do what we want. 358 00:19:33.960 --> 00:19:36.039 They're like, yeah, well, we'll do our homework in the 359 00:19:36.119 --> 00:19:37.880 next year. What else? 360 00:19:38.599 --> 00:19:40.920 I think that's it, unless you want to talk about 361 00:19:40.960 --> 00:19:42.400 how the vault rescued. 362 00:19:42.799 --> 00:19:46.240 Oh yeah, yeah, homegirl, Yeah, because. 363 00:19:46.000 --> 00:19:50.720 She was the only one to survive that whole atrocity allegedly, 364 00:19:51.119 --> 00:19:53.799 like because we saw the planet die and then we 365 00:19:53.920 --> 00:19:57.519 saw all the ships burn, and so our assumption is 366 00:19:57.559 --> 00:20:00.319 that she's a sole survivor. But then lo and hold, 367 00:20:00.680 --> 00:20:04.000 that trapezoid comes in and traps her up like fucking 368 00:20:04.079 --> 00:20:07.160 pac man yep, and she gets out. I'm like, why 369 00:20:07.200 --> 00:20:11.759 didn't they show her like opening the hatchet, going sniffing 370 00:20:11.799 --> 00:20:13.799 out the air to see if it was cool to breathe. 371 00:20:14.079 --> 00:20:16.279 She didn't breathe it in until the door was all 372 00:20:16.359 --> 00:20:18.799 the way open, and I'm like, by then, it's too late, girl, 373 00:20:19.000 --> 00:20:20.400 all your oxygen is gone. 374 00:20:21.039 --> 00:20:22.599 Oh it was pretty much gone anyway. 375 00:20:22.759 --> 00:20:28.000 So yeah, but she's in this like dark abyss and 376 00:20:28.640 --> 00:20:33.119 her brother shows up, the brother from another mother, the 377 00:20:33.240 --> 00:20:36.359 religious brother. Yeah, he comes up and he hugs her 378 00:20:36.720 --> 00:20:40.240 and he's like, where's Hobo, And she's like, he didn't 379 00:20:40.319 --> 00:20:43.279 make it, and he kind of sad about it because 380 00:20:43.799 --> 00:20:48.160 they both think that he was like, uh, pivotal to 381 00:20:48.480 --> 00:20:53.400 the foundation because his name appeared like something out of 382 00:20:53.480 --> 00:20:57.480 Harry Potter, you know, or uh, you know, surrender Dorothy, 383 00:21:00.839 --> 00:21:05.200 like very like ominous the way that he came in 384 00:21:05.519 --> 00:21:08.960 onto the scene. And I really was surprised that they 385 00:21:09.000 --> 00:21:11.680 couldn't fit both of those motherfuckers in that little pod. 386 00:21:11.960 --> 00:21:14.519 Well physically, I think they could. I think the reasoning 387 00:21:14.680 --> 00:21:17.279 was the oxygen. It just it would have run out faster, 388 00:21:17.519 --> 00:21:17.880 I guess. 389 00:21:18.160 --> 00:21:20.839 But at least you're together. I don't want to die 390 00:21:20.920 --> 00:21:23.480 with some stranger. I'm going to die with my girlfriend 391 00:21:23.559 --> 00:21:25.519 that I have sex with. What the fuck? 392 00:21:27.279 --> 00:21:30.000 So yeah, so the I guess all of the Foundations 393 00:21:30.359 --> 00:21:33.480 has been relocated inside the vault, and I guess everyone 394 00:21:33.519 --> 00:21:35.440 on the planet actually, because we see. 395 00:21:35.319 --> 00:21:40.359 That husband made it, I was like, that's sad. You 396 00:21:40.640 --> 00:21:43.359 made it and your husband did it. That's why I'm 397 00:21:43.440 --> 00:21:46.480 thinking there's got to be like something that makes it 398 00:21:46.599 --> 00:21:49.359 so that they both lived that way. These two single 399 00:21:49.480 --> 00:21:51.680 gals are just single gals. 400 00:21:52.039 --> 00:21:55.319 Yeah, I don't know, But I'm also really curious about 401 00:21:55.359 --> 00:21:58.599