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<v Speaker 1>Hi, and welcome back to The Unseen Podcast, a podcast

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<v Speaker 1>dedicated to missing people, unresolved cases, and UK true crime. Today,

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<v Speaker 1>we are going to be looking at the nineteen ninety

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<v Speaker 1>six murder of twenty year old Janet Murger Tride in Preston.

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<v Speaker 1>Janet had been on a night out like any other

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<v Speaker 1>university student on a warm night in June. Her evening, however,

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<v Speaker 1>ended in tragedy, and despite a murder trial, her case

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<v Speaker 1>remains unsolved. This episode contains descriptions that some listeners may

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<v Speaker 1>find distressing, so listener discretion is advised. The River Ribble

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<v Speaker 1>runs through North Yorkshire and Lancashire, and notably flows through Settle,

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<v Speaker 1>Clithero and Preston. Many people live in the area of

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<v Speaker 1>the Ribbel Valley, with around sixty one thousand people living

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<v Speaker 1>there in twenty twenty one. The area of Penwortham is

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<v Speaker 1>located in South Ribble, close to the city of Preston,

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<v Speaker 1>around two miles away from the center. Twenty year old

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<v Speaker 1>Janet Murgatroyd lived in Penwortham with her mum Mary in

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen ninety six. Janet was an only child and her father, David,

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<v Speaker 1>was well known in football circles, having been the chairman

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<v Speaker 1>of Charlie FC and a great supporter of the club

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<v Speaker 1>for many years. Janet grew up in a loving and

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<v Speaker 1>close knit family, and she was known as a strong

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<v Speaker 1>and caring person growing up. Everyone that knew her described

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<v Speaker 1>her as an intelligent, friendly person who knew what she

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<v Speaker 1>wanted and worked hard to achieve it. As she reached

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<v Speaker 1>her teenage years, she decided that she wanted to pursue

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<v Speaker 1>a career in law and began her studies at the

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<v Speaker 1>University of Central Lancashire. By nineteen ninety six, Janet had

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<v Speaker 1>already completed her first year as a law student and

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<v Speaker 1>was ready to enjoy her summer. In addition to her studies,

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<v Speaker 1>Janet also had a part time job working as a

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<v Speaker 1>clerk for Lancashire Police. She worked in the Crime Input

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<v Speaker 1>Bureau and this role fitting very well with her law studies.

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<v Speaker 1>Her boss at Lancashire Constabulary, Superintendent Karen Hives, said about Janet,

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<v Speaker 1>she was a very energetic and confident young lady who

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<v Speaker 1>knew what she wanted to do in life. This seems

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<v Speaker 1>to be the overarching description of Janet by everyone she knew.

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<v Speaker 1>She was a bubbly and happy person, with the future

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<v Speaker 1>ahead of her. Janet was very much looking forward to

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<v Speaker 1>the summer of nineteen ninety six as she had planned

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<v Speaker 1>to go traveling with her friend Fiona. The pair had

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<v Speaker 1>made plans to travel to Greece and then on to

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<v Speaker 1>Italy with the aim of seeing as much as they

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<v Speaker 1>could during their ten weeks abroad. Neither of the women

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<v Speaker 1>had ever done anything like this before. Fiona later said,

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<v Speaker 1>we couldn't have been happier. We were both on top

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<v Speaker 1>of the world that day. We thought nothing was going

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<v Speaker 1>to stop us from here on. In Saturday, June fifteenth

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<v Speaker 1>was an exciting day for Janet and her friend Fiona,

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<v Speaker 1>as they were having their last day out before setting

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<v Speaker 1>off on their travels. Their plan was to have a

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<v Speaker 1>shopping day and get all of the last minute things

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<v Speaker 1>ready that they might need. It was later reported that

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<v Speaker 1>Janet had originally had plans to travel to Manchester to

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<v Speaker 1>go shopping, but had changed her mind. This seemed like

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<v Speaker 1>an opportune choice when at eleven seventeen am a bomb

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<v Speaker 1>detonated in Manchester City Center, destroying a third of the

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<v Speaker 1>retail space in the city center and injuring two hundred

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<v Speaker 1>and twelve people. This attack had been orchestrated by the

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<v Speaker 1>IRA and was the largest peacetime bomb ever detonated in

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<v Speaker 1>Great Britain. The crowds in the city center were larger

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<v Speaker 1>due to the fact that England was hosting the nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>ninety six euro Football Championship and a match between Russia

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<v Speaker 1>and Germany was due to take place in the city

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<v Speaker 1>the following day. It was also one of the hottest

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<v Speaker 1>day of the years so far, and so people were

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<v Speaker 1>out and about enjoying the day. The weekend, therefore, was

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<v Speaker 1>already quite a monumental one, with many events taking place.

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<v Speaker 1>Janet and Fiona headed into Preston and spent the early

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<v Speaker 1>afternoon shopping and chatting about their plans. Fiona later told

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<v Speaker 1>the program Crime Watch that they then decided to go

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<v Speaker 1>to the pub and spent a lot of the afternoon

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<v Speaker 1>and evening drinking. Fiona said that that night they'd both

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<v Speaker 1>had a lot to drink, having been out since the

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<v Speaker 1>early afternoon. They went into the Adelphi Pub for last order,

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<v Speaker 1>and by this point they'd both had a lot to drink.

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<v Speaker 1>Fiona explained that at some point after they went into

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<v Speaker 1>the pub, they became separated and she couldn't find Janet,

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<v Speaker 1>Fiona said she decided to leave and go home. She

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<v Speaker 1>said she did remember thinking she should have waited for

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<v Speaker 1>Janet and made sure that she got into a taxi okay,

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<v Speaker 1>but that the evening did not pan out that way.

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<v Speaker 1>The next day, at around noon on Sunday, the sixteenth

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<v Speaker 1>of June, people were out and about on the River

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<v Speaker 1>Ribble close to penworthen Bridge. A dog walker was traveling

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<v Speaker 1>down the river when he spotted what looked like blonde

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<v Speaker 1>hair in the water. He flagged down a man who

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<v Speaker 1>was riding a jet ski along the river and asked

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<v Speaker 1>him to pull into the side to have a look

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<v Speaker 1>at what he had seen. The two men discovered that

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<v Speaker 1>they'd found the body of a young woman floating in

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<v Speaker 1>the river. They pulled her onto the embankment and then

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<v Speaker 1>immediately contacted the police. It was clear from the outset

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<v Speaker 1>that whatever had happened, this had been the result of

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<v Speaker 1>a violent crime. A postmartem showed that she had been

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<v Speaker 1>beaten and kicked in the head. As a result, she

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<v Speaker 1>had been knocked unconscious and stamped on before her body

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<v Speaker 1>was dumped. She had lots of injuries to her head

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<v Speaker 1>and face, and it would later be established that she

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<v Speaker 1>had a fractured jaw and a broken nose. Finger shaped

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<v Speaker 1>bruise marks on her face showed the investigators that the

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<v Speaker 1>killer had clasped their hand over her mouth at some

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<v Speaker 1>point during the attack. The woman's body was also covered

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<v Speaker 1>in scratches, which had been caused seemingly by being dragged

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<v Speaker 1>naked through the riverside undergrowth. The postmartem also revealed that

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<v Speaker 1>there was no evidence relating to a sexual assault, but

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<v Speaker 1>that sexual activity had occurred shortly before her death. Therefore,

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<v Speaker 1>they could not completely ruled out that an assault might

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<v Speaker 1>have taken place. Her cause of death revealed something tragic.

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<v Speaker 1>The woman had not died from her injuries and had

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<v Speaker 1>actually drowned. The theory was that the woman had been

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<v Speaker 1>left by the water, but that the tide had come

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<v Speaker 1>in and the water had taken the woman's body into

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<v Speaker 1>the river. It was thought that she may have lain

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<v Speaker 1>there unconscious for around six hours before being taken into

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<v Speaker 1>the water. The discovery in the river Ribble was absolutely

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<v Speaker 1>horrifying for all involved with the investigation, and identifying who

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<v Speaker 1>this victim was was pivotal. It didn't take long to

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<v Speaker 1>establish that the woman was twenty year old Janet Murgatroyd.

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<v Speaker 1>Her blood stained blouse and her jewelry were found close

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<v Speaker 1>to the scene. However, police did not recover her size

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<v Speaker 1>ten wrangler jenes or her purse that she was known

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<v Speaker 1>to have with her. The police investigation began with a

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<v Speaker 1>close inspection of the scene around Janet's body, as well

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<v Speaker 1>as trying to identify her movements before the discovery. Police

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<v Speaker 1>learned that Janet had been out the prior afternoon into

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<v Speaker 1>the evening and that she'd been at the Adelphi Pub

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<v Speaker 1>at last orders. Information that Fiona had lost track of

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<v Speaker 1>Janet and could not find her was also of interest,

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<v Speaker 1>and therefore they had to use other means to try

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<v Speaker 1>and track down where she went. Using CCTV, they found

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<v Speaker 1>that after leaving the pub, she headed down Fishergate at

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<v Speaker 1>around one am. On the footage, Janet is seen clearly

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<v Speaker 1>intoxicated and staggering along the street. The next piece of

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<v Speaker 1>information that they had came from a witness who was

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<v Speaker 1>driving that route that night. He explained that he was

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<v Speaker 1>picking his mum up from her sister's house that night

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<v Speaker 1>and that they passed Janet as they were driving. He

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<v Speaker 1>explained that his mum pointed Janet out as she was

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<v Speaker 1>walking alone and asked him if they should give her

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<v Speaker 1>a lift. He said he told us she would probably

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<v Speaker 1>be fine and if they did give her a lift,

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<v Speaker 1>she might be sick in the car. They then drove

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<v Speaker 1>their route back home. At around one fifteen am. Janet

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<v Speaker 1>was then seen waiting near Penwarden Bridge, and it appeared

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<v Speaker 1>that she was waiting for someone to give her a lift.

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<v Speaker 1>Around the same time, a man in his home close

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<v Speaker 1>to this area heard some shouting outside. However, he explained

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<v Speaker 1>that he didn't think much about it at the time

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<v Speaker 1>as he lived near quite a few pubs and clubs,

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<v Speaker 1>and people making noise was not uncommon. A taxi driver

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<v Speaker 1>who was in the area at the time, however, did

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<v Speaker 1>see some things that were unusual. Around the same time,

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<v Speaker 1>the driver said he passed a Volvo garage and spotted

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<v Speaker 1>two people arguing. He noticed that the woman was taller

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<v Speaker 1>than the man. As he was watching this argument, and

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<v Speaker 1>as he turned onto Penwarden Bridge, he saw a woman

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<v Speaker 1>running across the road in front of the taxi and

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<v Speaker 1>just behind her there was a man. He looked as

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<v Speaker 1>though he was chasing the woman. Around half one, about

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<v Speaker 1>fifteen minutes after the taxi driver had seen the man

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<v Speaker 1>and woman running across the road. Two brothers were coming

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<v Speaker 1>home from an evening out in Preston. They had decided

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<v Speaker 1>to walk home as it was a warm night, and

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<v Speaker 1>they were traveling over the bridge. As they were passing,

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<v Speaker 1>one of the brothers said that on the far side

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<v Speaker 1>of the bridge he heard what sounded like a woman groaning.

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<v Speaker 1>He said that he'd worked in a dentist before and

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<v Speaker 1>described the sound as someone who had just come round

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<v Speaker 1>from anesthetic. On the Crime Watched reconstruction, the man is

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<v Speaker 1>shown in the bushes at the side of the bridge,

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<v Speaker 1>implying that this is what one of the brothers saw. However,

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<v Speaker 1>he didn't specifically say this on the program, so I'm

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<v Speaker 1>unclear if he did see a man in the bushes.

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<v Speaker 1>At the time, this ear witness was of interest, especially

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<v Speaker 1>as some of Janet's clothes were found near the bridge.

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<v Speaker 1>It was clear that at some point in that half

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<v Speaker 1>an hour journey between the pub and Penwarden Bridge, Janet

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<v Speaker 1>clearly came upon someone who wanted to do her harm.

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<v Speaker 1>Detective Superintendent Graham Gooch, who was leading the investigation at

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<v Speaker 1>the time, told crime Watch that he believed this was

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<v Speaker 1>a local man and that the murder may have changed

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<v Speaker 1>or affected his behavior. He said he was convinced that

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<v Speaker 1>he must have attacked women before and that he would

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<v Speaker 1>continue to do so if he wasn't found. He said

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<v Speaker 1>that they did have a description of some men that

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<v Speaker 1>they wanted to speak to who had been seen in

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<v Speaker 1>the area at the time and had been spotted on CCTV.

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<v Speaker 1>They wanted to speak to a man who was described

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<v Speaker 1>as five feet ten to six feet tall. He was

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<v Speaker 1>a white or pale skinned Asian man with black hair.

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<v Speaker 1>He was wearing a long sleeve white shirt and very dark,

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<v Speaker 1>probably black trousers. Detective Superintendent Gooch said he wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>eliminate several other people, such as the people who had

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<v Speaker 1>been seen arguing at the Volvo garage. There were also

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<v Speaker 1>two men seen walking on CCTV just before Janet. One

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<v Speaker 1>of the men had a white shirt on with black

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<v Speaker 1>trousers and dark hair. CCTV also showed that there was

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<v Speaker 1>a man walking towards the scene of the crime at

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<v Speaker 1>around the same time as Janet. The footage shows him

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<v Speaker 1>walking back on himself towards where he started, and police

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<v Speaker 1>believed he might have seen something relevant the Crime Watch

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<v Speaker 1>said documenting Janet's murder was very important forgetting the right

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<v Speaker 1>information to the right people who might have been watching,

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<v Speaker 1>and Janet's mother and her friend Fiona spoke on the program.

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<v Speaker 1>Janet's mother, Mary said that she felt hatred towards whoever

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<v Speaker 1>had committed her daughter's murder and felt disgusted for whoever

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<v Speaker 1>was still shielding that person. She also later said, I

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<v Speaker 1>just live in the hope that whoever did this will

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<v Speaker 1>slip up in some way. He knows who he is,

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<v Speaker 1>As a result of the Crime Watch segment, police were

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<v Speaker 1>the perpetrator or gain any concrete information. More than fourteen

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<v Speaker 1>hundred statements were taken, and despite this, the investigation began

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<v Speaker 1>to slow down. In the months and years following Janet's murder,

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<v Speaker 1>the best they could with few answers as to who

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<v Speaker 1>pounds Crimestoppers reward, which eventually was raised to ten thousand pounds,

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<v Speaker 1>had not drummed up any relevant leads. In two thousand,

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<v Speaker 1>four years after Janet's murder, someone was summoned to court

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<v Speaker 1>on the charge of murdering her. This was huge progress

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<v Speaker 1>considering the stumbling blocks that investigators had come up against

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<v Speaker 1>in the past. The man that was charged with her

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<v Speaker 1>against him. However, the Crown Prosecution Service did not continue

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<v Speaker 1>crime Watch reconstruction and using his own imagination. Police, however,

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<v Speaker 1>decided to re arrest Greenwood in two thousand and charge

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<v Speaker 1>him with Janet's murder. Police believed that Greenwood had come

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<v Speaker 1>and so he had attacked her as a result. His

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<v Speaker 1>trial did not begin until two thousand and two, and

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<v Speaker 1>this is where the prosecution outlined their case, explaining that

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<v Speaker 1>They also stated that he'd made detailed and repeated admissions

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<v Speaker 1>that he was responsible for the murder, and detailed that

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<v Speaker 1>which is not like me. I will carry on repenting

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<v Speaker 1>like I have done for the past three years. All

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<v Speaker 1>of this, as well as his confession, was enough to

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<v Speaker 1>believe that Andrew Greenwood was responsible for Janet's murder. Is

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<v Speaker 1>what the prosecution alleged. Greenwood denied that he had anything

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<v Speaker 1>in the area that night. He had spent the evening

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<v Speaker 1>at the Sumpter Horse Pub in Penwortham, not far from

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<v Speaker 1>where Janet's body was found and where she lived. He

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<v Speaker 1>stated that he'd watch the Euro's match between Scotland and

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<v Speaker 1>Inca England that day and had drunk around six pints.

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<v Speaker 1>He had then gone back to his father's house for

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<v Speaker 1>at the pub. He had continued drinking and left around

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<v Speaker 1>eleven thirty pm. He said, I'd had a lot, I

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<v Speaker 1>was drinking too much and everything was going blurry. I

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<v Speaker 1>I don't remember going back to my flats. I had

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<v Speaker 1>a blackout in the morning. I just woke up. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't remember anything until the morning after. I woke up

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<v Speaker 1>on the bed with the same clothes on, an orange

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<v Speaker 1>T shirt, black jeans, trainerlike shoes. My clothing was fine

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<v Speaker 1>when I woke up. Greenwood explained that he had experienced

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<v Speaker 1>blackouts before and after Janet's murder, and they usually occurred

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<v Speaker 1>when he'd been drinking or was in a low mood.

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<v Speaker 1>He said at that point he was unemployed and studying

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<v Speaker 1>he'd struggled with depression since he'd been eighteen years old,

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<v Speaker 1>as he had experienced a blackout as he had returned home.

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<v Speaker 1>He explained he'd convinced himself he had something to do

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<v Speaker 1>with the murders, and as a result of the coverage

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<v Speaker 1>of the case, he'd made up many of the gaps

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<v Speaker 1>with information that he'd learned. His confession, he said, was

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<v Speaker 1>a false one, his council explained when he presented himself

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<v Speaker 1>to police in August nineteen ninety nine, he was and

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<v Speaker 1>still is, a psychiatrically damaged and vulnerable individual. What he

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<v Speaker 1>said to them about this crime was a mixture of detail,

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<v Speaker 1>some false, some true, but all of it true and false,

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<v Speaker 1>obtained by him from the extensive media coverage in the newspapers, radio,

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<v Speaker 1>and on TV, including Crime Watch. He said nothing which

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<v Speaker 1>was not already in the public domain. The jury heard

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<v Speaker 1>all of this information, and after deliberate they could not

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<v Speaker 1>come to a decision on whether Andrew Greenwood was guilty

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<v Speaker 1>of Janet's murder. The prosecution decided to retry the case.

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<v Speaker 1>In June two thousand and three, the same information was

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<v Speaker 1>presented to the courts and the jury once again went

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<v Speaker 1>to deliberate. They returned a verdict of not guilty of

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<v Speaker 1>murder but guilty of manslaughter. While this was not what

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<v Speaker 1>the prosecution or the family had hoped for, it was

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<v Speaker 1>a conviction and it was some justice for Janet. David

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<v Speaker 1>Murger tried. Her dad said after the trial, I was

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit disappointed with the eight years, but I'll

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<v Speaker 1>go along with it. At least the man is serving

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<v Speaker 1>a sentence for what he did. This appeared to be

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<v Speaker 1>how many people felt about the case, and while disappointed

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<v Speaker 1>in the sentence, they were happy that a dangerous person

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<v Speaker 1>was off the streets. This, however, is not how the

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<v Speaker 1>case would stay, but just one year later, in two

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<v Speaker 1>This decision was made based on the fact that the

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<v Speaker 1>judge in the case had ruled some evidence that the

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<v Speaker 1>it showed that there were plausible alternate suspects that were

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<v Speaker 1>not looked into in the case. They stated that two

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<v Speaker 1>other suspects had actually been arrested in Janet's case, and

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<v Speaker 1>that one of these suspects was an extremely plausible one,

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<v Speaker 1>given that the wife of one of these suspects had

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<v Speaker 1>spoken about this suspects violence in the past. In addition,

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<v Speaker 1>Janet's blood was found on the suspects boxersharks at his home.

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<v Speaker 1>The defense also stated that Janet had an ex boyfriend

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<v Speaker 1>named Pitbull who was known to be abusive towards her,

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<v Speaker 1>and they even had a videotape of Janet talking about

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<v Speaker 1>this abuse. Said proved that there were more viable suspects

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<v Speaker 1>than Greenwood, who had no connection whatsoever with Janet. This

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<v Speaker 1>presented in court, and the appeal court agreed that this

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<v Speaker 1>was unfair to Andrew Greenwood. It is evident that, aside

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<v Speaker 1>from his confession, which he stated was false, there was

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<v Speaker 1>no physical evidence to link Greenwood to the case, to Janet,

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<v Speaker 1>or to the scene, and so no real evidence to

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<v Speaker 1>convict him of murder. It is relevant that two separate

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<v Speaker 1>juries could not come to a decision to convict him

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<v Speaker 1>on murder charges. He was released and the case returned

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<v Speaker 1>to its original state of being unsolved. Police in two

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<v Speaker 1>thousand and four said that they were not looking for

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<v Speaker 1>anyone else in the murder. However, since then, there have

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<v Speaker 1>been multiple appeals for information in Janet's case. On the

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<v Speaker 1>twenty first anniversary of Janet's murder in twenty seventeen, CCTV

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<v Speaker 1>showing Janet walking from the Adelphi Pub up Fishergate was

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<v Speaker 1>recognize her from that night, or just recognize something relevant.

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<v Speaker 1>Lancashire Police Detective Chief Inspector Gary Brooks said, twenty one

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<v Speaker 1>years on from Janet's brutal murder, we remain committed to

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<v Speaker 1>finding her killer. Janet was a young woman with her

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<v Speaker 1>whole life ahead of her, a student at the University

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<v Speaker 1>of Central Lancashire and a part time staff member with

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<v Speaker 1>Lancashire Police. She had much to look forward to and enjoy. However,

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<v Speaker 1>this was all taken away from her in a vicious

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<v Speaker 1>attack which we believe was sexually motivated. This was an

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<v Speaker 1>opportunist offense by a very dangerous man who, despite the

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<v Speaker 1>passage of time, still needs to be brought to justice.

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<v Speaker 1>Detective Chief Inspector Pauline Stables of Lancashire Constabulary's Major Investigation

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<v Speaker 1>Team said, first and foremost, my thoughts are with Janet's

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<v Speaker 1>family and friends. At this time, I would like to

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<v Speaker 1>use the twenty fifth anniversary of Janet's death to appeal

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<v Speaker 1>to anyone with information which may assist us to please

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<v Speaker 1>come forward. We have never closed this case and it

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<v Speaker 1>remains a crime we desperately want to solve. Even if

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<v Speaker 1>you think the information is insignificant. Please come forward and

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<v Speaker 1>tell us what you know so we can investigate. Unfortunately,

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<v Speaker 1>Janet's case is still unsolved, and it does only take

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<v Speaker 1>one person to come forward with information to solve this.

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<v Speaker 1>It seems that DNA samples were taken and could prove

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<v Speaker 1>useful in this case. However, a person of interest has

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<v Speaker 1>to emerge for this to be helpful. It's unclear what

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<v Speaker 1>line of inquiry the police have been following since the

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<v Speaker 1>collapse of the trial against Andrew Greenwood. This case has

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<v Speaker 1>affected many people, Janet's family, the community, people who've become

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<v Speaker 1>entwined in it. Janet had so much to live for,

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<v Speaker 1>was looking forward to so much, and hearing about her

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<v Speaker 1>excitement that day about her future really affected me. She

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<v Speaker 1>had many plans which were cut short, and her murder

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<v Speaker 1>does deserve to be solved. If you have information, please

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<v Speaker 1>contact police on one oh one our crime Stoppers at

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