Speaker 1: So I saw something and maybe this goes on more
Speaker 1: than more than I know that I haven't seen for
Speaker 1: for colleges and the school that they that they are
Speaker 1: using as the reference point is Syracuse.
Speaker 2: Yuck.
Speaker 1: So I have never I have never heard of this
Speaker 1: happening now, granted when when I went to school for
Speaker 1: my six weeks, this wasn't a big part.
Speaker 2: And then but what is it going to be like
Speaker 2: in a room wi fi? No no no no no.
Speaker 1: And then like like for both boys, like the older
Speaker 1: one like whether it was Arizona or Tennessee and the
Speaker 1: younger one with Miami of Ohio like never this never
Speaker 1: came up.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna read. Okay.
Speaker 1: By the time the usual May one college deposit deadline
Speaker 1: rolled around this year, David Berger's daughter had already made
Speaker 1: up her she would leave Alpharetta, Georgia and become a
Speaker 1: Penn State Nitney Lyon. So clearly she was going to
Speaker 1: Penn State, but Syracuse University, which had also accepted her,
Speaker 1: wasn't done with her yet. After having initially offering offering
Speaker 1: her zero merit aid, it's staff began poaching her. So
Speaker 1: again May one, there's there's usually a deposit that you
Speaker 1: have to put down right.
Speaker 2: And you don't. You don't have to.
Speaker 1: But some schools will tell you like this, this we
Speaker 1: saw with Arizona is if you pay your deposit, you
Speaker 1: get first choice on doors. Yeah, securing housing and stuff
Speaker 1: like that, which is a huge issue at a lot
Speaker 1: of schools. I get it, but you don't have to
Speaker 1: do that. But anyway, so, but a lot of people
Speaker 1: will put down a deposit.
Speaker 2: Where was I? Here we go.
Speaker 1: Syracuse, which had also accepted her, wasn't dumb with her
Speaker 1: yet they'd offer her zero maritate here we go. On
Speaker 1: May second, So a day after the deposit day, a
Speaker 1: twenty thousand dollars per year offer arrived to the family.
Speaker 2: What there, I'm not done.
Speaker 1: Then came a ten thousand dollars per year discount two
Speaker 1: days later. Several weeks went by before Syracuse dangled an
Speaker 1: additional twenty thousand dollars per year, so total of fifty.
Speaker 2: I'm at fifty right now.
Speaker 1: The last email said spaces will be filled on a
Speaker 1: first come, first serve basis. The Burgers were one of
Speaker 1: many families that received similar offers and left parents scratching
Speaker 1: their head. Now, Burger said, it's almost like they became
Speaker 1: a used car salesman. Their daughter is sticking with Penn State.
Speaker 1: Have you ever heard of that? No where after the
Speaker 1: deadline date. And keep in mind, it's not a deadline
Speaker 1: in terms of saying no, it's just a deposit deadline.
Speaker 1: And then you'll you'll have kids that are on like
Speaker 1: a weight list, or they're deferred so they don't want
Speaker 1: to accept at another school. So you play that game
Speaker 1: of do we just say yes and we know do
Speaker 1: we wait and see what the weight list looks like?
Speaker 2: Are we deferred for a year?
Speaker 1: Is it one of those like some schools will do
Speaker 1: like like I know for Tennessee, getting into Knoxville is
Speaker 1: a problem, but they'll do like ut Gatlin Bird for
Speaker 1: a semester or a year and then you could transfer in.
Speaker 1: Some schools will do do our study abroad program for
Speaker 1: a semester because we know some kids are gonna leave it.
Speaker 2: Then you can come back in. I get all of that.
Speaker 1: So not everybody makes that deposit on the first and
Speaker 1: Syracuse may not have even known that the Burger family
Speaker 1: had already made a deposit at Penn State.
Speaker 2: Has anybody ever heard of this before?
Speaker 3: I'm not surprised but I am surprised because I've never
Speaker 3: heard of this, but the fact that they have to
Speaker 3: beg students to come, Okay, that's not surprising. Fifty thousand
Speaker 3: dollars a year, so you're talking about and that was
Speaker 3: for all four.
Speaker 1: You said, yeah, so it turned they just they just
Speaker 1: offered them two hundred thousand dollars for their kid to
Speaker 1: go to school at Syracuse.
Speaker 3: Now listen, listen, I know it's not cheap, so you're
Speaker 3: still on the hook for probably thirty thousand dollars a
Speaker 3: year they said.
Speaker 2: Out of state for Syracuse it's like sixty three grand,
Speaker 2: but with.
Speaker 3: Like room and board, it's eighty thousand to ten Syracuse,
Speaker 3: so you're still you're still paying. And where they're from
Speaker 3: Georgia though, so they're not paying in state to Penn State. Man,
Speaker 3: this is crazy.
Speaker 2: Two hundred grand to go to.
Speaker 1: Prior to that March first that May first deadline zero,
Speaker 1: no money offered.
Speaker 2: And the Burghers weren't the only ones. Remember it was
Speaker 2: first come, first serve. Now I know you said that,
Speaker 2: but did they say how many?
Speaker 1: No, but they were able to find several families that
Speaker 1: responded and said, oh yeah, we got that too.
Speaker 2: Has anyone offered more that I don't know.
Speaker 1: I didn't see I didn't see financials from others just
Speaker 1: the I don't know if it was the same. Actually
Speaker 1: that's not true. Here we go. Oh no, this one's
Speaker 1: also fifty.
Speaker 2: Which again is a ton. That's a good chunk.
Speaker 1: Yeah it keep in mind that that's fifty a year.
Speaker 2: That's two hundred thousand dollars. Christian, will you do me
Speaker 2: a favor.
Speaker 1: Will you see if you've heard of anybody getting not
Speaker 1: just from Syracuse. I was talking too well, one thing
Speaker 1: at a time. You see, if you can find me
Speaker 1: somebody who's either a heard of this, I've never heard
Speaker 1: of this before. B has ever gotten an offer like
Speaker 1: that before. It may not be Syracuse may not be
Speaker 1: the only school doing it. Eight six six to Elliott
Speaker 1: eight six six two three five five four six eight.
Speaker 2: And it's funny.
Speaker 1: Jackie had friend with a at lunch with a friend
Speaker 1: or hers yesterday, who's whose son just graduated from high school?
Speaker 1: And so I said to Jackie, where is where is
Speaker 1: where's the young man going to young man? Where's her
Speaker 1: kid going to college? It's this exact same scenario.
Speaker 2: He's getting money too. No thrown at.
Speaker 1: Him going to Penn State, but had also applied to Syracuse.
Speaker 2: That's funny. I want to tell Jackie, call your friend,
Speaker 2: get in on something I don't know. Then, I don't
Speaker 2: know that the parent care. They show me the money. Please.
Speaker 3: I know you can argue over financial aid, but for
Speaker 3: merit aid. And again, these were unsolicited offers kept coming.
Speaker 1: I didn't go through the registrar's office and tried to
Speaker 1: and tried to ask for help.
Speaker 2: But can you fight for merit aid? If you're offered some,
Speaker 2: can you ask for more? Yes? And I'll tell you
Speaker 2: how I know the answer to that. So my.
Speaker 1: I have a buddy's who's old, who has a kid
Speaker 1: the same age as my older one. Right, And he
Speaker 1: ended up going to what's the one in Philly, Saint Jose.
Speaker 1: He ended up going to Saint Jose but had also
Speaker 1: been accepted to another school, and he Saint Joe's was
Speaker 1: number one, and I can't remember what number two was, right,
Speaker 1: Number two offered him more aid. He went back to
Speaker 1: Saint Jose and said, they offered me more money, give
Speaker 1: me and it was merit Base.
Speaker 2: It was merit Base, yeah, absolutely, and they gave it
Speaker 2: to They say, oh, they masked it. They gave it
Speaker 2: to him.
Speaker 1: Wow, and he was like, sweet, see you're in the
Speaker 1: fall and he went and he loves it. But he
Speaker 1: was like, why my number one isn't giving me what
Speaker 1: I want? And yes, it was Merit Base and they
Speaker 1: gave him them. They gave him the money. I was like,
Speaker 1: good for him, great kid.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's awesome. God, damn, it's expensive. Oh please please?
Speaker 2: Ugh do you read this sorry falling into darkness? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Do you read this story with a sense of envy? Yes?
Speaker 2: Oh God, yes, God yes.
Speaker 1: And then the only the only other part that I
Speaker 1: don't that I don't know, and maybe maybe somebody will
Speaker 1: know this if you if you give a school, because
Speaker 1: they do talk about it in there, if you give
Speaker 1: a school a deposit. So like, let's say, let's say
Speaker 1: he would have taken the so they paid their deposit
Speaker 1: for Penn State. I'll just use the Alfred Atlanta family.
Speaker 1: They gave the deposit for Penn State, and I don't
Speaker 1: know what the deposit is. And then they start getting
Speaker 1: all this money thrown at him from Syracuse and they're like, uh,
Speaker 1: we're going to Syracuse, right, How like is it hard
Speaker 1: to break your agreement with Penn State.
Speaker 2: Oh, it meaning that to get refunding. Yeah, the agreement
Speaker 2: to enroll is not legally binding.
Speaker 1: No, but like a lot of times it does, like
Speaker 1: and I can't remember which ones which, like if like
Speaker 1: there's early decision in early action and I don't know
Speaker 1: which one is which.
Speaker 2: Yes, decision is supposedly binding. It is not right, but
Speaker 2: it does. It does flag your record. I do know that.
Speaker 3: Early action is the one touted as you still have
Speaker 3: options of viable.
Speaker 1: So early decision is the one that is quote binding.
Speaker 2: But it does, it does tag your record.
Speaker 3: I know people that blew that off like crazy, and
Speaker 3: I was scared by it. It did when when you're
Speaker 3: doing the college tours and they talk about that, You're like,
Speaker 3: oh my god, okay, well you really got to want
Speaker 3: to go here. And then when I got to college
Speaker 3: and people are like, yeah, I got accepted early decision
Speaker 3: to X, Y and Z.
Speaker 1: Can just bailed on it, right you know where you
Speaker 1: know where? So your record does get flagged? Number one?
Speaker 2: What does that mean? Number two? I know that I
Speaker 2: like yours. There's no record that all these schools are seeing. No.
Speaker 1: No, but I know I know a kid who did that,
Speaker 1: and it ended up on some record of his and
Speaker 1: when he applied to law school, the first thing they
Speaker 1: said to him is, you know what. When he was
Speaker 1: applying to go to law school and ended up talking
Speaker 1: to the law school, they made a big deal about
Speaker 1: how you blew off a.
Speaker 2: Decision that you had made that you were going to
Speaker 2: You had told the school you were going there. Oh,
Speaker 2: there's that flag.
Speaker 3: But do you an institution, if if desired, can inform
Speaker 3: other institutions about your decision.
Speaker 1: Now, I'll tell you who does that? Other students to
Speaker 1: screw with people? Yeah, really, Students will go on Instagram
Speaker 1: and find like, for example, this this goes on buddy
Speaker 1: Mine's daughter.
Speaker 2: This will make Tyler happy because it was at Syracuse.
Speaker 1: Buddy of Mine's daughter went to Syracuse above such of
Speaker 1: her friends. She didn't do it, but a bunch of
Speaker 1: her friends and they had like another friend that didn't
Speaker 1: get in a bunch of her friends like went through
Speaker 1: Instagram and found people that were accepted and were like,
Speaker 1: this is what you're accepting. They would send it to
Speaker 1: the registrar and go like, you accepted this girl she's
Speaker 1: underage drinking? Oh my god, Yeah, no, this crap goes
Speaker 1: on all the time. It's ridiculous.
Speaker 3: This is like when I tried to see Taylor Swift
Speaker 3: in Canada. By telling all this DUI cases, they couldn't
Speaker 3: get over the border. Maybe too, I mean, I didn't
Speaker 3: go to school when there was social media, so this
Speaker 3: that didn't go on anyway?
Speaker 2: Is it?
Speaker 1: So if you if you pay the deposit, a is
Speaker 1: it hard to get that deposit back? Because I'll tell
Speaker 1: you the other thing. If I were the if I
Speaker 1: were the Atlanta family, I would go to Syracuse and
Speaker 1: go listen. I'm happy to take your aid. But I
Speaker 1: did pay a deposit at Penn State.
Speaker 2: So no, you want more, absolutely ref me.
Speaker 1: Penn State's not going to give me my money back.
Speaker 1: You pay me my money back. So I want two
Speaker 1: hundred and I don't know what's the deposit ten grand,
Speaker 1: five grand, I don't know what it is.
Speaker 2: I want. I want my.
Speaker 1: Deposit paid back by you.
Speaker 3: He said you could argue for more merit aid. Of course,
Speaker 3: maybe you would have to phrase it differently and argue
Speaker 3: that it's just more for the student's performance in high school.
Speaker 2: No, I would. I would be honest to go.
Speaker 1: We paid the deposit, but we want to take you
Speaker 1: up on this, but I want my Penn.
Speaker 2: State's not going to get me the money back. I'm
Speaker 2: already in the hole. So you just need the university
Speaker 2: to code it as more meriti. You code it whatever
Speaker 2: you want. Carlos, that's our financial guy here. I'm sorry.
Speaker 4: Have you had a fight with him or you've had
Speaker 4: to drop that on it on poor Carlos Line's It
Speaker 4: sounded like he was defending and you refuted.
Speaker 2: Hi Elliott the morning. Hey, who's this?
Speaker 5: This is Laurie from Richmond.
Speaker 2: Hey, Laurie, Yes, what can I do for you?
Speaker 5: So about five or six years ago, my daughter had
Speaker 5: applied to a couple of schools and got accepted, and
Speaker 5: we made a decision to go to Mary Washington based
Speaker 5: on some aid given. Other schools had done the same,
Speaker 5: and VCU came in after the fact and gave her
Speaker 5: a full ride scholarship academic. So you know, we jumped
Speaker 5: on that and canceled our other reservation and we got
Speaker 5: our money back.
Speaker 1: Wait, so Mary Washington gave you your deposit back?
Speaker 5: Yes, I gave you was in within a couple of days.
Speaker 5: Like this, It happened within a couple of days. But
Speaker 5: vc had only offered her a small amount, so we went,
Speaker 5: you know, we're following the money because she's going to
Speaker 5: med school, right, And they end up coming back to
Speaker 5: us a couple of days later. What a full ride academic?
Speaker 2: Where where was that? Wow?
Speaker 1: Before we made our.
Speaker 2: Decision, don't ask stupid questions?
Speaker 1: Take that full ride? Yeah, I would drive by Mary
Speaker 1: Washington slipping them off there. Did you try to go
Speaker 1: back to Washington and give them a.
Speaker 6: We absolutely did.
Speaker 5: Yep, we did, and we went back to Mary Washington
Speaker 5: and told them, and they came back, but they.
Speaker 2: Couldn't beat it.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and they told you put your d in
Speaker 1: the sand. All right, very good, very good? Oh my god,
Speaker 1: oh my god.
Speaker 3: I'm ready to hear these Syracuse cases and the questions
Speaker 3: that do arise. This One parent said, Uh, since they
Speaker 3: didn't tell us why they made these offers, we couldn't
Speaker 3: help but feel they were desperate. Are they in trouble financially?
Speaker 3: Are they now going to over enroll and cause other problems?
Speaker 3: Do they generally just not have their act together?
Speaker 2: And what was the answer? No, these were thoughts they had. Oh,
Speaker 2: oh I gotcha, I gotcha. It would it would?
Speaker 3: I mean it be appealing obviously just based on the
Speaker 3: bottom line, you want kids in the school, but you
Speaker 3: you would also you would ask yourself similar query.
Speaker 2: Yes if all of a sudden you're like out of nowhere.
Speaker 1: Like the one thing that we did make both boys
Speaker 1: do is because they applied to several schools, if they
Speaker 1: got into a school that they weren't going to go to.
Speaker 1: Because a lot of kids just don't even respond. They're like,
Speaker 1: I got into my first choice or my second choice,
Speaker 1: third and fourth, and now because of that.
Speaker 2: What is that stupid app that.
Speaker 1: Where it's like click click, click click, and your crap
Speaker 1: gets sent to five hundred schools and they don't know
Speaker 1: that it costs money. God, kids are dumb, but they
Speaker 1: won't go back and tell school like if they if
Speaker 1: they take their second choice, but they also got into
Speaker 1: three and four, they don't decline three and four. We
Speaker 1: made the boys do that school somebody else schools are
Speaker 1: sitting there waiting and going I don't know if we're
Speaker 1: in or if we're not, and there's deferment and stuff
Speaker 1: like that.
Speaker 2: I get it. So is this the common app? Common app?
Speaker 2: That's it? God damn, that's a money making machine. Do
Speaker 2: you feel like you thought of that before they were
Speaker 2: able to actually build the software.
Speaker 7: No.
Speaker 1: No, but I kicked myself in the ass ere i'd
Speaker 1: want to call it. I'm like, I'm gonna do Elliott
Speaker 1: Common or whatever. Those kids click on it like it's
Speaker 1: a video game. Well I'll just send it here. Why
Speaker 1: that's money?
Speaker 3: What was the most ill advised application sent out by
Speaker 3: one of your kids.
Speaker 1: I knew there was no even though even though at
Speaker 1: one point the younger one had said, I think it
Speaker 1: would be fun to go to school there, by the
Speaker 1: time it was college time, we knew he wasn't going
Speaker 1: to go to school. And that's why. And again, all
Speaker 1: you got to do is you just go through it
Speaker 1: and you click, oh, we'll send it here. We'll send
Speaker 1: it here. I lost my mind. We're not going to
Speaker 1: the University of Hawaii.
Speaker 2: We'll see if I can get in. We're not going
Speaker 2: to the University of Hawaii. But he applied. Oh yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: I hope. By the way, I hope it's a great
Speaker 2: vacation spot. They got fifty of my dollars. Oh my god,
Speaker 2: I lost my mind. Line eight.
Speaker 1: I have buddies who's kids. They applied to fifty sixty schools.
Speaker 4: Wow, I'm like, you're sixty yeah, but not like, oh well,
Speaker 4: this one like at least fifty bucks a pop, Diane.
Speaker 2: It's not. There's no conversation. Scroll like it like it,
Speaker 2: like it like it, like it, like it like it,
Speaker 2: scroll like it like it like it like it like it,
Speaker 2: scroll like it, and it just goes. You don't have
Speaker 2: to send anything that money.
Speaker 3: These friends children weren't the ones that end up on
Speaker 3: the news because they were accepted to all of them.
Speaker 1: No, you don't get in any of these schools. No,
Speaker 1: I know they're kids, no offense, they're not getting into there.
Speaker 2: Please Line eight. Hi Elliott the Morning.
Speaker 6: Hy This is Emily from Herndon.
Speaker 3: Ah.
Speaker 2: Yes, what can I do for you?
Speaker 1: Hi?
Speaker 6: I'm playing. My situation was a little bit different because
Speaker 6: it was for grad school, but I actually had this
Speaker 6: happen to me with Nyu. I had visited a bunch
Speaker 6: of schools after I had been accepted, and I ended
Speaker 6: up deciding that I was going to go to Wake four.
Speaker 6: But I emailed everyone I had met with at other
Speaker 6: schools to let them know, like it was nice to
Speaker 6: meet them, but I've decided to accept another offer. And
Speaker 6: NYU kept on badgering me, probably two or three times.
Speaker 6: I had to tell them no, but they kept on
Speaker 6: trying to up their offer of a scholarship to try
Speaker 6: and match what Lake Forest had offered me initially before
Speaker 6: I had even visited them, And it was really kind
Speaker 6: of off putting that it was like, Okay, well, now
Speaker 6: you've offered me fifty percent off for tuition when you
Speaker 6: only initially offered me nothing. So it was just kind
Speaker 6: of like, why wouldn't have offered me this at the beginning?
Speaker 6: Why didn't you? Why?
Speaker 2: Why was it off putting?
Speaker 1: Though? Like I understand the frustration part of it, right,
Speaker 1: like I understand the well why didn't you offer this
Speaker 1: to me originally?
Speaker 2: But why is it off putting?
Speaker 6: I think because I had to tell them no several times,
Speaker 6: So it felt like I was being harassed a little bit,
Speaker 6: Like I don't know if they thought I was trying
Speaker 6: to to negotiate, but I really wasn't because wake Forest
Speaker 6: just off that that had offered me a really great scholarship.
Speaker 6: The cost of living was better, I was looking forward
Speaker 6: to the weather in North Carolina, and I liked the
Speaker 6: program better just overall.
Speaker 1: So there was no amount of money there was no
Speaker 1: amount of money and why you could throw at you
Speaker 1: where you would have taken it.
Speaker 6: No, if they if they had offered me a full ride,
Speaker 6: I would.
Speaker 2: Have gone there.
Speaker 6: It was just that because that they offered me was
Speaker 6: only to try to match what Wake four was offering
Speaker 6: me intuition, but wasn't going.
Speaker 2: To like do anything.
Speaker 1: Understand, I understand, I mean I get it, I get it,
Speaker 1: and it would be it would be weird.
Speaker 2: Thank you, ma'am. Thank you for the arts because that's
Speaker 2: one of your favorite names.
Speaker 1: The oh tish. Yeah, the I do get where it
Speaker 1: would be like, well why now, like why what did
Speaker 1: I do? But at the same time, think about going
Speaker 1: through life. There's gonna be something where they'll come back
Speaker 1: and go okay, okay, okay, okay, we'll give you an
Speaker 1: extra little whatever, or we'll take more off. Whether you're
Speaker 1: getting more or spending less, it's the same thing. Don't
Speaker 1: look a gift horse in the mouth, don't ask why,
Speaker 1: ask how much?
Speaker 2: And how much more?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, well you could see that with like salaries for jobs. Yes,
Speaker 2: well I'm looking at uh, I'm looking at this job
Speaker 2: over here. Well, mister Siegel, how about it. By the way,
Speaker 2: I jump at a dollar, dollar more jumping a dollar
Speaker 2: even if it's a tish dollar. Damn it, they got
Speaker 2: me again. Hi Elliott in the morning.
Speaker 8: Hey Elliott's Kristin from Alexandria.
Speaker 5: How are you.
Speaker 2: I'm doing great? Thank you? What can I do for you?
Speaker 8: Well, my kid is about to be a senior at Syracuse.
Speaker 8: And let me tell you, the outrage on the Syracuse
Speaker 8: parent Facebook community is palpable. We started hearing rumors that
Speaker 8: this was happening, you know, towards the end of the spring,
Speaker 8: like the end of the admission cycle, that Syracuse was
Speaker 8: throwing money at other kids. But until this article came out,
Speaker 8: like everyone just assumed it was anecdotal and sour grapes.
Speaker 8: But yeah, apparently they really missed their yield, which is
Speaker 8: the number of students who accept the offer of enrollment.
Speaker 8: They really really missed that this year, and so they're
Speaker 8: trying to make it up in order to fill the beds.
Speaker 8: But it's expensive. I mean, Syracuse is a private school.
Speaker 8: There is no in state, there is no out of state.
Speaker 8: Everybody pays the same freight ninety two thousand dollars a year.
Speaker 2: Jesus, it is really.
Speaker 8: Exceptive and it's seven hours from out from Alexandria, so
Speaker 8: you know there's transportation, there's don't factor that.
Speaker 1: In, ma'am.
Speaker 2: You chose that, I think about how far Hawaii is.
Speaker 8: Right, that's true. When she chose it because it's her,
Speaker 8: it's the program that she's always wanted, like that's she
Speaker 8: had her sits on that she went for it and
Speaker 8: she and she did it. But the folks who are
Speaker 8: already there, like us, you know, who got nothing from
Speaker 8: Syracuse three years ago, are just so yeah, exactly Dane
Speaker 8: that that they would be throwing fifty grand a year
Speaker 8: to kids who, as the article said, this isn't financial data,
Speaker 8: don't necessarily need it. You know that one kid the
Speaker 8: dad was like, we don't need this. We can afford
Speaker 8: to send our kids somewhere else and somebody who needs
Speaker 8: this might actually be able to benefit from it.
Speaker 7: So anyway, it's so you're saying, and when you say yield,
Speaker 7: like just for just to use round numbers, right, they
Speaker 7: accepted one hundred kids thinking whatever, they know math, they
Speaker 7: know what these cycles are.
Speaker 2: If we accept one hundred, seventy are going to come.
Speaker 2: I'm making that up.
Speaker 1: But they would use historical data to know that, and
Speaker 1: so this year they got like thirty to come, and
Speaker 1: they're like, oh, throw money at them.
Speaker 2: We got to get people in here exactly.
Speaker 8: Yeah, they have all, like you said, all that historical data.
Speaker 8: They've got people. This is their job figuring out how
Speaker 8: many people are going to come and between the economy
Speaker 8: and you know, I assume this matters. Tyler would say,
Speaker 8: this matters. The Syracuse sports haven't necessarily been burning it
Speaker 8: up in recent years. I mean, there's just a lot
Speaker 8: of factors that go into it. But they didn't enroll
Speaker 8: as many kids as they had counted on enrolling, and
Speaker 8: so they needed to fill those beds. And if they're
Speaker 8: going to have the lack or the inability to enroll
Speaker 8: the international kids because of visa issues and immigration issues
Speaker 8: with the administration saying, you know, schools are not going
Speaker 8: to be able.
Speaker 6: To do that.
Speaker 8: Most of the international kids pay full fair and sometimes
Speaker 8: they even pay a little bit extra, and so you great, right,
Speaker 8: but without that, you know, each class maybe has you know,
Speaker 8: ten percent or international students. If those ten percent are
Speaker 8: suddenly unexpectedly maybe not coming, that makes that sense probably
Speaker 8: a panic down the spine of every admissions officer at
Speaker 8: every school, so I love it.
Speaker 2: I love that the parents are hot, though. I mean,
Speaker 2: I paid this craft for three years and I get nothing.
Speaker 8: Yeah, you can't even imagine.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was my mind.
Speaker 8: Here is my mind. Are like ken, We're kind of
Speaker 8: call the admissions office today and demand extra money.
Speaker 1: But then, like in the same article again, it wasn't
Speaker 1: like the first one was Penn State. They were talking
Speaker 1: to somebody else who's kid excepted to go to Pittsburgh
Speaker 1: University of Pittsburgh.
Speaker 2: Same thing.
Speaker 1: Letters started showing up. Come to Syracuse, Come to Syracuse.
Speaker 1: We'll give you half off. My kids going into his
Speaker 1: last year at Tennessee. If Syracuse sends me a letter today,
Speaker 1: I will pull him out and graduate.
Speaker 2: His final year there. They're both orange. All right, very good,
Speaker 2: Thank you man,