WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.320 --> 00:00:03.000 So I saw something and maybe this goes on more 2 00:00:03.080 --> 00:00:06.559 than more than I know that I haven't seen for 3 00:00:06.559 --> 00:00:10.039 for colleges and the school that they that they are 4 00:00:10.199 --> 00:00:13.800 using as the reference point is Syracuse. 5 00:00:14.519 --> 00:00:14.839 Yuck. 6 00:00:18.359 --> 00:00:20.480 So I have never I have never heard of this 7 00:00:20.559 --> 00:00:24.719 happening now, granted when when I went to school for 8 00:00:24.879 --> 00:00:27.679 my six weeks, this wasn't a big part. 9 00:00:28.120 --> 00:00:30.559 And then but what is it going to be like 10 00:00:31.000 --> 00:00:34.439 in a room wi fi? No no no no no. 11 00:00:34.560 --> 00:00:38.159 And then like like for both boys, like the older 12 00:00:38.200 --> 00:00:41.520 one like whether it was Arizona or Tennessee and the 13 00:00:41.600 --> 00:00:45.159 younger one with Miami of Ohio like never this never 14 00:00:45.240 --> 00:00:45.719 came up. 15 00:00:47.799 --> 00:00:48.880 I'm gonna read. Okay. 16 00:00:50.640 --> 00:00:54.719 By the time the usual May one college deposit deadline 17 00:00:54.799 --> 00:00:59.520 rolled around this year, David Berger's daughter had already made 18 00:00:59.600 --> 00:01:03.920 up her she would leave Alpharetta, Georgia and become a 19 00:01:03.960 --> 00:01:07.120 Penn State Nitney Lyon. So clearly she was going to 20 00:01:07.120 --> 00:01:13.200 Penn State, but Syracuse University, which had also accepted her, 21 00:01:13.760 --> 00:01:18.400 wasn't done with her yet. After having initially offering offering 22 00:01:18.480 --> 00:01:25.560 her zero merit aid, it's staff began poaching her. So 23 00:01:25.640 --> 00:01:28.799 again May one, there's there's usually a deposit that you 24 00:01:28.840 --> 00:01:30.000 have to put down right. 25 00:01:30.239 --> 00:01:32.079 And you don't. You don't have to. 26 00:01:32.560 --> 00:01:34.920 But some schools will tell you like this, this we 27 00:01:35.000 --> 00:01:40.040 saw with Arizona is if you pay your deposit, you 28 00:01:40.120 --> 00:01:44.280 get first choice on doors. Yeah, securing housing and stuff 29 00:01:44.319 --> 00:01:46.640 like that, which is a huge issue at a lot 30 00:01:46.680 --> 00:01:48.719 of schools. I get it, but you don't have to 31 00:01:48.799 --> 00:01:51.439 do that. But anyway, so, but a lot of people 32 00:01:51.519 --> 00:01:52.719 will put down a deposit. 33 00:01:54.159 --> 00:01:55.239 Where was I? Here we go. 34 00:01:56.879 --> 00:02:00.280 Syracuse, which had also accepted her, wasn't dumb with her 35 00:02:00.359 --> 00:02:04.439 yet they'd offer her zero maritate here we go. On 36 00:02:04.599 --> 00:02:11.560 May second, So a day after the deposit day, a 37 00:02:11.719 --> 00:02:16.000 twenty thousand dollars per year offer arrived to the family. 38 00:02:17.080 --> 00:02:19.400 What there, I'm not done. 39 00:02:19.560 --> 00:02:23.199 Then came a ten thousand dollars per year discount two 40 00:02:23.360 --> 00:02:29.639 days later. Several weeks went by before Syracuse dangled an 41 00:02:29.680 --> 00:02:33.639 additional twenty thousand dollars per year, so total of fifty. 42 00:02:33.759 --> 00:02:35.000 I'm at fifty right now. 43 00:02:37.560 --> 00:02:40.680 The last email said spaces will be filled on a 44 00:02:40.719 --> 00:02:47.400 first come, first serve basis. The Burgers were one of 45 00:02:47.599 --> 00:02:53.120 many families that received similar offers and left parents scratching 46 00:02:53.159 --> 00:02:57.719 their head. Now, Burger said, it's almost like they became 47 00:02:57.840 --> 00:03:01.400 a used car salesman. Their daughter is sticking with Penn State. 48 00:03:03.199 --> 00:03:06.879 Have you ever heard of that? No where after the 49 00:03:07.199 --> 00:03:10.039 deadline date. And keep in mind, it's not a deadline 50 00:03:10.080 --> 00:03:14.639 in terms of saying no, it's just a deposit deadline. 51 00:03:14.919 --> 00:03:16.919 And then you'll you'll have kids that are on like 52 00:03:16.960 --> 00:03:19.840 a weight list, or they're deferred so they don't want 53 00:03:19.879 --> 00:03:23.039 to accept at another school. So you play that game 54 00:03:23.120 --> 00:03:26.199 of do we just say yes and we know do 55 00:03:26.319 --> 00:03:29.039 we wait and see what the weight list looks like? 56 00:03:29.199 --> 00:03:30.599 Are we deferred for a year? 57 00:03:31.080 --> 00:03:32.960 Is it one of those like some schools will do 58 00:03:33.199 --> 00:03:37.120 like like I know for Tennessee, getting into Knoxville is 59 00:03:37.120 --> 00:03:40.520 a problem, but they'll do like ut Gatlin Bird for 60 00:03:40.639 --> 00:03:42.960 a semester or a year and then you could transfer in. 61 00:03:43.319 --> 00:03:46.520 Some schools will do do our study abroad program for 62 00:03:46.560 --> 00:03:48.800 a semester because we know some kids are gonna leave it. 63 00:03:48.840 --> 00:03:50.719 Then you can come back in. I get all of that. 64 00:03:51.000 --> 00:03:54.319 So not everybody makes that deposit on the first and 65 00:03:54.840 --> 00:03:58.919 Syracuse may not have even known that the Burger family 66 00:03:58.960 --> 00:04:03.879 had already made a deposit at Penn State. 67 00:04:05.599 --> 00:04:07.439 Has anybody ever heard of this before? 68 00:04:09.240 --> 00:04:14.439 I'm not surprised but I am surprised because I've never 69 00:04:14.479 --> 00:04:16.319 heard of this, but the fact that they have to 70 00:04:16.360 --> 00:04:23.519 beg students to come, Okay, that's not surprising. Fifty thousand 71 00:04:23.600 --> 00:04:26.000 dollars a year, so you're talking about and that was 72 00:04:26.000 --> 00:04:26.480 for all four. 73 00:04:26.560 --> 00:04:29.639 You said, yeah, so it turned they just they just 74 00:04:29.720 --> 00:04:33.600 offered them two hundred thousand dollars for their kid to 75 00:04:33.600 --> 00:04:34.720 go to school at Syracuse. 76 00:04:34.800 --> 00:04:37.600 Now listen, listen, I know it's not cheap, so you're 77 00:04:37.600 --> 00:04:41.120 still on the hook for probably thirty thousand dollars a 78 00:04:41.199 --> 00:04:42.839 year they said. 79 00:04:42.680 --> 00:04:45.399 Out of state for Syracuse it's like sixty three grand, 80 00:04:45.560 --> 00:04:46.279 but with. 81 00:04:46.240 --> 00:04:48.920 Like room and board, it's eighty thousand to ten Syracuse, 82 00:04:49.720 --> 00:04:52.879 so you're still you're still paying. And where they're from 83 00:04:52.920 --> 00:04:55.800 Georgia though, so they're not paying in state to Penn State. Man, 84 00:04:57.519 --> 00:04:58.240 this is crazy. 85 00:04:58.319 --> 00:04:59.800 Two hundred grand to go to. 86 00:05:01.319 --> 00:05:04.920 Prior to that March first that May first deadline zero, 87 00:05:05.399 --> 00:05:06.240 no money offered. 88 00:05:08.199 --> 00:05:10.800 And the Burghers weren't the only ones. Remember it was 89 00:05:10.800 --> 00:05:13.199 first come, first serve. Now I know you said that, 90 00:05:13.240 --> 00:05:14.480 but did they say how many? 91 00:05:14.720 --> 00:05:18.040 No, but they were able to find several families that 92 00:05:18.120 --> 00:05:20.040 responded and said, oh yeah, we got that too. 93 00:05:20.319 --> 00:05:23.120 Has anyone offered more that I don't know. 94 00:05:23.759 --> 00:05:27.199 I didn't see I didn't see financials from others just 95 00:05:27.360 --> 00:05:29.519 the I don't know if it was the same. Actually 96 00:05:29.560 --> 00:05:37.560 that's not true. Here we go. Oh no, this one's 97 00:05:37.600 --> 00:05:38.800 also fifty. 98 00:05:41.120 --> 00:05:44.199 Which again is a ton. That's a good chunk. 99 00:05:44.399 --> 00:05:47.519 Yeah it keep in mind that that's fifty a year. 100 00:05:48.480 --> 00:05:51.319 That's two hundred thousand dollars. Christian, will you do me 101 00:05:51.360 --> 00:05:51.759 a favor. 102 00:05:51.839 --> 00:05:53.959 Will you see if you've heard of anybody getting not 103 00:05:54.240 --> 00:05:58.439 just from Syracuse. I was talking too well, one thing 104 00:05:58.480 --> 00:06:00.839 at a time. You see, if you can find me 105 00:06:00.879 --> 00:06:03.399 somebody who's either a heard of this, I've never heard 106 00:06:03.439 --> 00:06:07.879 of this before. B has ever gotten an offer like 107 00:06:07.959 --> 00:06:11.079 that before. It may not be Syracuse may not be 108 00:06:11.120 --> 00:06:14.959 the only school doing it. Eight six six to Elliott 109 00:06:15.240 --> 00:06:18.079 eight six six two three five five four six eight. 110 00:06:18.319 --> 00:06:18.879 And it's funny. 111 00:06:18.959 --> 00:06:20.920 Jackie had friend with a at lunch with a friend 112 00:06:21.000 --> 00:06:25.519 or hers yesterday, who's whose son just graduated from high school? 113 00:06:26.319 --> 00:06:28.319 And so I said to Jackie, where is where is 114 00:06:28.360 --> 00:06:30.839 where's the young man going to young man? Where's her 115 00:06:30.920 --> 00:06:34.959 kid going to college? It's this exact same scenario. 116 00:06:35.120 --> 00:06:37.040 He's getting money too. No thrown at. 117 00:06:37.000 --> 00:06:40.639 Him going to Penn State, but had also applied to Syracuse. 118 00:06:41.759 --> 00:06:44.360 That's funny. I want to tell Jackie, call your friend, 119 00:06:44.800 --> 00:06:47.920 get in on something I don't know. Then, I don't 120 00:06:47.920 --> 00:06:51.519 know that the parent care. They show me the money. Please. 121 00:06:52.560 --> 00:06:56.399 I know you can argue over financial aid, but for 122 00:06:56.680 --> 00:07:00.560 merit aid. And again, these were unsolicited offers kept coming. 123 00:07:00.639 --> 00:07:03.199 I didn't go through the registrar's office and tried to 124 00:07:04.120 --> 00:07:05.680 and tried to ask for help. 125 00:07:05.759 --> 00:07:08.920 But can you fight for merit aid? If you're offered some, 126 00:07:09.160 --> 00:07:12.480 can you ask for more? Yes? And I'll tell you 127 00:07:12.560 --> 00:07:15.360 how I know the answer to that. So my. 128 00:07:17.160 --> 00:07:20.040 I have a buddy's who's old, who has a kid 129 00:07:20.079 --> 00:07:23.040 the same age as my older one. Right, And he 130 00:07:23.240 --> 00:07:26.000 ended up going to what's the one in Philly, Saint Jose. 131 00:07:26.600 --> 00:07:28.560 He ended up going to Saint Jose but had also 132 00:07:28.639 --> 00:07:31.720 been accepted to another school, and he Saint Joe's was 133 00:07:31.839 --> 00:07:34.319 number one, and I can't remember what number two was, right, 134 00:07:35.079 --> 00:07:38.519 Number two offered him more aid. He went back to 135 00:07:38.600 --> 00:07:42.720 Saint Jose and said, they offered me more money, give 136 00:07:42.759 --> 00:07:43.759 me and it was merit Base. 137 00:07:43.879 --> 00:07:46.319 It was merit Base, yeah, absolutely, and they gave it 138 00:07:46.399 --> 00:07:48.319 to They say, oh, they masked it. They gave it 139 00:07:48.360 --> 00:07:48.639 to him. 140 00:07:48.639 --> 00:07:50.879 Wow, and he was like, sweet, see you're in the 141 00:07:50.920 --> 00:07:54.439 fall and he went and he loves it. But he 142 00:07:54.600 --> 00:07:58.000 was like, why my number one isn't giving me what 143 00:07:58.040 --> 00:08:00.680 I want? And yes, it was Merit Base and they 144 00:08:00.680 --> 00:08:02.639 gave him them. They gave him the money. I was like, 145 00:08:02.680 --> 00:08:04.279 good for him, great kid. 146 00:08:07.199 --> 00:08:13.000 Yeah, that's awesome. God, damn, it's expensive. Oh please please? 147 00:08:14.959 --> 00:08:20.399 Ugh do you read this sorry falling into darkness? Yeah? 148 00:08:20.439 --> 00:08:24.199 Do you read this story with a sense of envy? Yes? 149 00:08:24.680 --> 00:08:26.839 Oh God, yes, God yes. 150 00:08:28.040 --> 00:08:30.000 And then the only the only other part that I 151 00:08:30.040 --> 00:08:32.720 don't that I don't know, and maybe maybe somebody will 152 00:08:32.720 --> 00:08:35.440 know this if you if you give a school, because 153 00:08:35.480 --> 00:08:37.919 they do talk about it in there, if you give 154 00:08:37.960 --> 00:08:41.720 a school a deposit. So like, let's say, let's say 155 00:08:41.720 --> 00:08:44.399 he would have taken the so they paid their deposit 156 00:08:44.519 --> 00:08:48.279 for Penn State. I'll just use the Alfred Atlanta family. 157 00:08:48.679 --> 00:08:51.200 They gave the deposit for Penn State, and I don't 158 00:08:51.240 --> 00:08:54.320 know what the deposit is. And then they start getting 159 00:08:54.320 --> 00:08:58.399 all this money thrown at him from Syracuse and they're like, uh, 160 00:08:58.840 --> 00:09:03.360 we're going to Syracuse, right, How like is it hard 161 00:09:03.559 --> 00:09:06.440 to break your agreement with Penn State. 162 00:09:07.799 --> 00:09:12.720 Oh, it meaning that to get refunding. Yeah, the agreement 163 00:09:12.759 --> 00:09:14.919 to enroll is not legally binding. 164 00:09:15.360 --> 00:09:17.879 No, but like a lot of times it does, like 165 00:09:18.320 --> 00:09:20.799 and I can't remember which ones which, like if like 166 00:09:20.840 --> 00:09:23.679 there's early decision in early action and I don't know 167 00:09:23.720 --> 00:09:24.559 which one is which. 168 00:09:24.679 --> 00:09:28.519 Yes, decision is supposedly binding. It is not right, but 169 00:09:29.159 --> 00:09:32.440 it does. It does flag your record. I do know that. 170 00:09:32.440 --> 00:09:35.399 Early action is the one touted as you still have 171 00:09:35.600 --> 00:09:36.919 options of viable. 172 00:09:36.679 --> 00:09:40.039 So early decision is the one that is quote binding. 173 00:09:40.279 --> 00:09:42.080 But it does, it does tag your record. 174 00:09:42.399 --> 00:09:44.399 I know people that blew that off like crazy, and 175 00:09:44.559 --> 00:09:46.240 I was scared by it. It did when when you're 176 00:09:46.279 --> 00:09:48.519 doing the college tours and they talk about that, You're like, 177 00:09:48.519 --> 00:09:50.559 oh my god, okay, well you really got to want 178 00:09:50.559 --> 00:09:53.399 to go here. And then when I got to college 179 00:09:53.399 --> 00:09:55.960 and people are like, yeah, I got accepted early decision 180 00:09:56.000 --> 00:09:56.960 to X, Y and Z. 181 00:09:57.360 --> 00:09:59.559 Can just bailed on it, right you know where you 182 00:09:59.559 --> 00:10:02.240 know where? So your record does get flagged? Number one? 183 00:10:02.559 --> 00:10:05.200 What does that mean? Number two? I know that I 184 00:10:05.320 --> 00:10:08.399 like yours. There's no record that all these schools are seeing. No. 185 00:10:08.399 --> 00:10:10.240 No, but I know I know a kid who did that, 186 00:10:10.679 --> 00:10:13.039 and it ended up on some record of his and 187 00:10:13.039 --> 00:10:15.639 when he applied to law school, the first thing they 188 00:10:15.679 --> 00:10:18.759 said to him is, you know what. When he was 189 00:10:18.960 --> 00:10:21.159 applying to go to law school and ended up talking 190 00:10:21.200 --> 00:10:24.480 to the law school, they made a big deal about 191 00:10:24.480 --> 00:10:25.720 how you blew off a. 192 00:10:27.240 --> 00:10:29.759 Decision that you had made that you were going to 193 00:10:29.799 --> 00:10:31.440 You had told the school you were going there. Oh, 194 00:10:31.480 --> 00:10:32.200 there's that flag. 195 00:10:34.279 --> 00:10:38.639 But do you an institution, if if desired, can inform 196 00:10:39.360 --> 00:10:41.799 other institutions about your decision. 197 00:10:41.879 --> 00:10:45.440 Now, I'll tell you who does that? Other students to 198 00:10:45.519 --> 00:10:50.200 screw with people? Yeah, really, Students will go on Instagram 199 00:10:50.639 --> 00:10:53.759 and find like, for example, this this goes on buddy 200 00:10:53.759 --> 00:10:54.320 Mine's daughter. 201 00:10:55.080 --> 00:10:56.960 This will make Tyler happy because it was at Syracuse. 202 00:10:57.240 --> 00:11:00.200 Buddy of Mine's daughter went to Syracuse above such of 203 00:11:00.279 --> 00:11:02.000 her friends. She didn't do it, but a bunch of 204 00:11:02.039 --> 00:11:04.360 her friends and they had like another friend that didn't 205 00:11:04.360 --> 00:11:06.759 get in a bunch of her friends like went through 206 00:11:06.799 --> 00:11:09.559 Instagram and found people that were accepted and were like, 207 00:11:09.679 --> 00:11:11.919 this is what you're accepting. They would send it to 208 00:11:12.000 --> 00:11:14.679 the registrar and go like, you accepted this girl she's 209 00:11:14.759 --> 00:11:17.759 underage drinking? Oh my god, Yeah, no, this crap goes 210 00:11:17.759 --> 00:11:19.240 on all the time. It's ridiculous. 211 00:11:19.279 --> 00:11:20.840 This is like when I tried to see Taylor Swift 212 00:11:20.840 --> 00:11:25.200 in Canada. By telling all this DUI cases, they couldn't 213 00:11:25.200 --> 00:11:27.600 get over the border. Maybe too, I mean, I didn't 214 00:11:27.639 --> 00:11:29.919 go to school when there was social media, so this 215 00:11:30.080 --> 00:11:31.960 that didn't go on anyway? 216 00:11:33.080 --> 00:11:33.360 Is it? 217 00:11:33.480 --> 00:11:36.720 So if you if you pay the deposit, a is 218 00:11:36.720 --> 00:11:40.519 it hard to get that deposit back? Because I'll tell 219 00:11:40.519 --> 00:11:42.320 you the other thing. If I were the if I 220 00:11:42.360 --> 00:11:45.399 were the Atlanta family, I would go to Syracuse and 221 00:11:45.440 --> 00:11:49.559 go listen. I'm happy to take your aid. But I 222 00:11:49.639 --> 00:11:52.120 did pay a deposit at Penn State. 223 00:11:52.440 --> 00:11:55.519 So no, you want more, absolutely ref me. 224 00:11:56.320 --> 00:11:58.120 Penn State's not going to give me my money back. 225 00:11:59.320 --> 00:12:01.559 You pay me my money back. So I want two 226 00:12:01.639 --> 00:12:04.320 hundred and I don't know what's the deposit ten grand, 227 00:12:04.399 --> 00:12:05.759 five grand, I don't know what it is. 228 00:12:06.039 --> 00:12:07.159 I want. I want my. 229 00:12:07.159 --> 00:12:09.200 Deposit paid back by you. 230 00:12:09.200 --> 00:12:13.399 He said you could argue for more merit aid. Of course, 231 00:12:13.440 --> 00:12:16.720 maybe you would have to phrase it differently and argue 232 00:12:16.720 --> 00:12:20.480 that it's just more for the student's performance in high school. 233 00:12:20.559 --> 00:12:22.000 No, I would. I would be honest to go. 234 00:12:22.200 --> 00:12:24.039 We paid the deposit, but we want to take you 235 00:12:24.120 --> 00:12:26.360 up on this, but I want my Penn. 236 00:12:26.399 --> 00:12:27.919 State's not going to get me the money back. I'm 237 00:12:27.960 --> 00:12:29.919 already in the hole. So you just need the university 238 00:12:29.960 --> 00:12:32.480 to code it as more meriti. You code it whatever 239 00:12:32.519 --> 00:12:37.240 you want. Carlos, that's our financial guy here. I'm sorry. 240 00:12:37.279 --> 00:12:40.000 Have you had a fight with him or you've had 241 00:12:40.080 --> 00:12:46.840 to drop that on it on poor Carlos Line's It 242 00:12:46.960 --> 00:12:52.720 sounded like he was defending and you refuted. 243 00:12:53.679 --> 00:13:00.039 Hi Elliott the morning. Hey, who's this? 244 00:13:00.039 --> 00:13:01.320 This is Laurie from Richmond. 245 00:13:01.360 --> 00:13:03.039 Hey, Laurie, Yes, what can I do for you? 246 00:13:04.480 --> 00:13:07.000 So about five or six years ago, my daughter had 247 00:13:07.039 --> 00:13:09.399 applied to a couple of schools and got accepted, and 248 00:13:09.440 --> 00:13:11.840 we made a decision to go to Mary Washington based 249 00:13:11.879 --> 00:13:14.480 on some aid given. Other schools had done the same, 250 00:13:15.200 --> 00:13:19.279 and VCU came in after the fact and gave her 251 00:13:19.279 --> 00:13:23.639 a full ride scholarship academic. So you know, we jumped 252 00:13:23.639 --> 00:13:26.039 on that and canceled our other reservation and we got 253 00:13:26.039 --> 00:13:26.679 our money back. 254 00:13:26.919 --> 00:13:29.639 Wait, so Mary Washington gave you your deposit back? 255 00:13:31.000 --> 00:13:35.360 Yes, I gave you was in within a couple of days. 256 00:13:35.559 --> 00:13:38.120 Like this, It happened within a couple of days. But 257 00:13:38.279 --> 00:13:41.720 vc had only offered her a small amount, so we went, 258 00:13:41.919 --> 00:13:43.639 you know, we're following the money because she's going to 259 00:13:43.639 --> 00:13:47.919 med school, right, And they end up coming back to 260 00:13:48.080 --> 00:13:50.720 us a couple of days later. What a full ride academic? 261 00:13:50.799 --> 00:13:52.200 Where where was that? Wow? 262 00:13:52.240 --> 00:13:53.200 Before we made our. 263 00:13:53.120 --> 00:13:54.759 Decision, don't ask stupid questions? 264 00:13:54.840 --> 00:13:57.240 Take that full ride? Yeah, I would drive by Mary 265 00:13:57.360 --> 00:13:59.600 Washington slipping them off there. Did you try to go 266 00:13:59.639 --> 00:14:01.799 back to Washington and give them a. 267 00:14:02.480 --> 00:14:03.600 We absolutely did. 268 00:14:03.720 --> 00:14:05.879 Yep, we did, and we went back to Mary Washington 269 00:14:05.919 --> 00:14:08.000 and told them, and they came back, but they. 270 00:14:07.919 --> 00:14:08.639 Couldn't beat it. 271 00:14:08.799 --> 00:14:10.240 Oh yeah, and they told you put your d in 272 00:14:10.320 --> 00:14:13.600 the sand. All right, very good, very good? Oh my god, 273 00:14:13.720 --> 00:14:14.399 oh my god. 274 00:14:15.720 --> 00:14:19.039 I'm ready to hear these Syracuse cases and the questions 275 00:14:19.080 --> 00:14:23.159 that do arise. This One parent said, Uh, since they 276 00:14:23.240 --> 00:14:26.759 didn't tell us why they made these offers, we couldn't 277 00:14:26.759 --> 00:14:30.240 help but feel they were desperate. Are they in trouble financially? 278 00:14:30.639 --> 00:14:33.879 Are they now going to over enroll and cause other problems? 279 00:14:33.919 --> 00:14:36.799 Do they generally just not have their act together? 280 00:14:37.399 --> 00:14:40.559 And what was the answer? No, these were thoughts they had. Oh, 281 00:14:40.600 --> 00:14:46.360 oh I gotcha, I gotcha. It would it would? 282 00:14:46.399 --> 00:14:51.120 I mean it be appealing obviously just based on the 283 00:14:51.159 --> 00:14:55.279 bottom line, you want kids in the school, but you 284 00:14:55.279 --> 00:15:00.600 you would also you would ask yourself similar query. 285 00:15:00.840 --> 00:15:04.240 Yes if all of a sudden you're like out of nowhere. 286 00:15:04.320 --> 00:15:06.399 Like the one thing that we did make both boys 287 00:15:06.480 --> 00:15:11.000 do is because they applied to several schools, if they 288 00:15:11.000 --> 00:15:13.759 got into a school that they weren't going to go to. 289 00:15:14.080 --> 00:15:17.720 Because a lot of kids just don't even respond. They're like, 290 00:15:17.799 --> 00:15:20.279 I got into my first choice or my second choice, 291 00:15:20.639 --> 00:15:22.440 third and fourth, and now because of that. 292 00:15:22.759 --> 00:15:24.240 What is that stupid app that. 293 00:15:24.559 --> 00:15:27.360 Where it's like click click, click click, and your crap 294 00:15:27.440 --> 00:15:29.679 gets sent to five hundred schools and they don't know 295 00:15:29.759 --> 00:15:33.519 that it costs money. God, kids are dumb, but they 296 00:15:33.559 --> 00:15:36.320 won't go back and tell school like if they if 297 00:15:36.360 --> 00:15:39.240 they take their second choice, but they also got into 298 00:15:39.240 --> 00:15:42.639 three and four, they don't decline three and four. We 299 00:15:42.759 --> 00:15:45.600 made the boys do that school somebody else schools are 300 00:15:45.600 --> 00:15:47.279 sitting there waiting and going I don't know if we're 301 00:15:47.320 --> 00:15:49.320 in or if we're not, and there's deferment and stuff 302 00:15:49.399 --> 00:15:49.559 like that. 303 00:15:49.679 --> 00:15:52.919 I get it. So is this the common app? Common app? 304 00:15:53.039 --> 00:15:58.039 That's it? God damn, that's a money making machine. Do 305 00:15:58.120 --> 00:16:00.159 you feel like you thought of that before they were 306 00:16:00.200 --> 00:16:02.080 able to actually build the software. 307 00:16:02.279 --> 00:16:02.320 No. 308 00:16:02.720 --> 00:16:04.759 No, but I kicked myself in the ass ere i'd 309 00:16:04.799 --> 00:16:07.279 want to call it. I'm like, I'm gonna do Elliott 310 00:16:07.320 --> 00:16:10.120 Common or whatever. Those kids click on it like it's 311 00:16:10.159 --> 00:16:13.000 a video game. Well I'll just send it here. Why 312 00:16:13.559 --> 00:16:14.159 that's money? 313 00:16:15.639 --> 00:16:20.120 What was the most ill advised application sent out by 314 00:16:20.200 --> 00:16:21.039 one of your kids. 315 00:16:21.360 --> 00:16:23.600 I knew there was no even though even though at 316 00:16:23.639 --> 00:16:25.679 one point the younger one had said, I think it 317 00:16:25.679 --> 00:16:27.799 would be fun to go to school there, by the 318 00:16:27.879 --> 00:16:30.320 time it was college time, we knew he wasn't going 319 00:16:30.360 --> 00:16:32.600 to go to school. And that's why. And again, all 320 00:16:32.639 --> 00:16:34.000 you got to do is you just go through it 321 00:16:34.000 --> 00:16:35.639 and you click, oh, we'll send it here. We'll send 322 00:16:35.679 --> 00:16:37.799 it here. I lost my mind. We're not going to 323 00:16:37.879 --> 00:16:38.919 the University of Hawaii. 324 00:16:40.559 --> 00:16:41.879 We'll see if I can get in. We're not going 325 00:16:41.879 --> 00:16:47.639 to the University of Hawaii. But he applied. Oh yeah, yeah, 326 00:16:49.399 --> 00:16:51.039 I hope. By the way, I hope it's a great 327 00:16:51.080 --> 00:16:54.399 vacation spot. They got fifty of my dollars. Oh my god, 328 00:16:54.440 --> 00:16:57.360 I lost my mind. Line eight. 329 00:16:57.559 --> 00:17:01.720 I have buddies who's kids. They applied to fifty sixty schools. 330 00:17:02.200 --> 00:17:06.039 Wow, I'm like, you're sixty yeah, but not like, oh well, 331 00:17:06.279 --> 00:17:09.400 this one like at least fifty bucks a pop, Diane. 332 00:17:09.519 --> 00:17:12.799 It's not. There's no conversation. Scroll like it like it, 333 00:17:12.960 --> 00:17:14.559 like it like it, like it, like it like it, 334 00:17:14.680 --> 00:17:16.799 scroll like it like it like it like it like it, 335 00:17:16.920 --> 00:17:19.079 scroll like it, and it just goes. You don't have 336 00:17:19.160 --> 00:17:21.359 to send anything that money. 337 00:17:21.480 --> 00:17:23.799 These friends children weren't the ones that end up on 338 00:17:23.839 --> 00:17:25.839 the news because they were accepted to all of them. 339 00:17:25.960 --> 00:17:28.319 No, you don't get in any of these schools. No, 340 00:17:28.640 --> 00:17:31.880 I know they're kids, no offense, they're not getting into there. 341 00:17:33.559 --> 00:17:36.680 Please Line eight. Hi Elliott the Morning. 342 00:17:38.960 --> 00:17:40.319 Hy This is Emily from Herndon. 343 00:17:40.559 --> 00:17:40.640 Ah. 344 00:17:40.839 --> 00:17:41.839 Yes, what can I do for you? 345 00:17:43.240 --> 00:17:43.359 Hi? 346 00:17:43.759 --> 00:17:46.400 I'm playing. My situation was a little bit different because 347 00:17:46.400 --> 00:17:49.039 it was for grad school, but I actually had this 348 00:17:49.279 --> 00:17:54.000 happen to me with Nyu. I had visited a bunch 349 00:17:54.039 --> 00:17:57.759 of schools after I had been accepted, and I ended 350 00:17:57.839 --> 00:17:59.880 up deciding that I was going to go to Wake four. 351 00:18:00.640 --> 00:18:03.079 But I emailed everyone I had met with at other 352 00:18:03.200 --> 00:18:05.960 schools to let them know, like it was nice to 353 00:18:06.000 --> 00:18:09.200 meet them, but I've decided to accept another offer. And 354 00:18:09.640 --> 00:18:13.319 NYU kept on badgering me, probably two or three times. 355 00:18:13.720 --> 00:18:15.839 I had to tell them no, but they kept on 356 00:18:15.960 --> 00:18:20.920 trying to up their offer of a scholarship to try 357 00:18:21.000 --> 00:18:24.720 and match what Lake Forest had offered me initially before 358 00:18:24.759 --> 00:18:29.279 I had even visited them, And it was really kind 359 00:18:29.319 --> 00:18:32.720 of off putting that it was like, Okay, well, now 360 00:18:32.799 --> 00:18:37.839 you've offered me fifty percent off for tuition when you 361 00:18:38.400 --> 00:18:43.519 only initially offered me nothing. So it was just kind 362 00:18:43.559 --> 00:18:46.039 of like, why wouldn't have offered me this at the beginning? 363 00:18:46.519 --> 00:18:47.720 Why didn't you? Why? 364 00:18:47.960 --> 00:18:49.079 Why was it off putting? 365 00:18:49.200 --> 00:18:53.039 Though? Like I understand the frustration part of it, right, 366 00:18:53.440 --> 00:18:56.039 like I understand the well why didn't you offer this 367 00:18:56.240 --> 00:18:57.400 to me originally? 368 00:18:58.079 --> 00:18:59.440 But why is it off putting? 369 00:19:01.319 --> 00:19:04.440 I think because I had to tell them no several times, 370 00:19:04.720 --> 00:19:08.319 So it felt like I was being harassed a little bit, 371 00:19:08.640 --> 00:19:10.440 Like I don't know if they thought I was trying 372 00:19:10.519 --> 00:19:15.440 to to negotiate, but I really wasn't because wake Forest 373 00:19:15.640 --> 00:19:19.119 just off that that had offered me a really great scholarship. 374 00:19:19.240 --> 00:19:22.759 The cost of living was better, I was looking forward 375 00:19:22.799 --> 00:19:26.480 to the weather in North Carolina, and I liked the 376 00:19:26.559 --> 00:19:28.359 program better just overall. 377 00:19:28.720 --> 00:19:30.720 So there was no amount of money there was no 378 00:19:30.839 --> 00:19:32.519 amount of money and why you could throw at you 379 00:19:32.599 --> 00:19:33.519 where you would have taken it. 380 00:19:34.720 --> 00:19:37.720 No, if they if they had offered me a full ride, 381 00:19:37.920 --> 00:19:38.680 I would. 382 00:19:38.480 --> 00:19:39.039 Have gone there. 383 00:19:39.279 --> 00:19:42.920 It was just that because that they offered me was 384 00:19:43.279 --> 00:19:47.039 only to try to match what Wake four was offering 385 00:19:47.119 --> 00:19:49.319 me intuition, but wasn't going. 386 00:19:49.279 --> 00:19:50.880 To like do anything. 387 00:19:51.039 --> 00:19:54.799 Understand, I understand, I mean I get it, I get it, 388 00:19:54.920 --> 00:19:56.599 and it would be it would be weird. 389 00:19:57.079 --> 00:19:59.000 Thank you, ma'am. Thank you for the arts because that's 390 00:19:59.039 --> 00:19:59.880 one of your favorite names. 391 00:20:00.519 --> 00:20:08.839 The oh tish. Yeah, the I do get where it 392 00:20:08.839 --> 00:20:11.279 would be like, well why now, like why what did 393 00:20:11.319 --> 00:20:13.440 I do? But at the same time, think about going 394 00:20:13.519 --> 00:20:16.519 through life. There's gonna be something where they'll come back 395 00:20:16.599 --> 00:20:20.720 and go okay, okay, okay, okay, we'll give you an 396 00:20:20.759 --> 00:20:24.839 extra little whatever, or we'll take more off. Whether you're 397 00:20:25.200 --> 00:20:28.559 getting more or spending less, it's the same thing. Don't 398 00:20:28.599 --> 00:20:31.680 look a gift horse in the mouth, don't ask why, 399 00:20:31.920 --> 00:20:32.799 ask how much? 400 00:20:33.680 --> 00:20:34.440 And how much more? 401 00:20:34.720 --> 00:20:34.960