Speaker 1: And these people that claim or carry themselves without actually
claiming to be an expert, a bigfoot expert. I mean,
come on, what the hell is a bigfoot expert? There
is no such thing as an expert when it comes
to bigfoot.
Speaker 2: They know in an instant that you were in the woods.
There is no hiding from them, There is no being
quiet or sneaking.
Speaker 3: Up on them.
Speaker 2: As soon as you walk in the woods, you walk
in their front door, thinking that you are going to
surprise them when you're only kidding yourself.
Speaker 1: We have got to get it out of our heads
that anecdotal evidence is not evidence. The best way, in
my opinion, that we have to learn about these creatures
right now is by listening to and talking to those
that have experiperience them, those who have witnessed them and
experienced them in their own environment.
Speaker 2: We do what we do to try to bring a
liar as to this topic, to be an open door
for somebody to walk through, to be able to share
their story, a listening ear, a support pold for those
who have had their own encounters with that which is not.
Speaker 1: Supposed to exist. We've got to open our eyes people.
There is something out there. All of these thousands of
people that have seen something, they're not all aligned, they're
not all crazy. There are some very reputable, good people
out there that have seen something. We got mister Jake
backstage and I am going to bring him out right now. Jake,
Goob's that buddy.
Speaker 4: How's it going going?
Speaker 1: Very very well? Thank you so much for hanging out
with this. You are in the great state of Michigan, correct.
Speaker 4: I am, yeah, very very cool.
Speaker 1: You are also a filmmaker, you.
Speaker 4: Can say that. Yeah, that'll be fine. I'm a novice,
but yeah, filmmaker, filmmakers good. I appreciate that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, very cool. Well again, buddy, I appreciate you
taking the time to come out. I know you wanted
to talk about some of the projects that you're working
on and all of that, and I mean, I'm I'm
gonna hand you the floor, but before I do, I
want you to start with what got you interested in
this topic of Bigfoot, cryptid dog Man? Just what got
you interested in all of it? What's your background and
just tell us a little bit about yourself and what
got you started.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Absolutely, thanks for having me on again. I think
this is my second time now coming on. But yeah,
Bigfoot's been something that's kind of been in and out
of my life throughout my life. You know, I'm thirty now,
so it's been quite a long time that it has
made an impression on me in a bunch of different ways.
You know, I grew up hearing the stories of the
hairy man that runs the forest right and going up
to northern Michigan a lot on family vacations, whether it's
visiting Graham and Grandpa that lived up there, cousins that
lived throughout the Lower Peninsula and the Upper portion. You know,
we spent a lot of time out there many counties
up near the top of the Mitten, so to speak.
But what really kind of set it in stone for
me was an encounter I've shared before I was fifteen
years old. Happened during the summertime, on summer break up
in a county called Mount Moreenzi County, which is I
always like to show people. It's like this area up here,
we have the luxury of using our hands, so it's
pretty far north. It was a very wooded area. And
to kind of make a long story, after hearing what
sounded like something either paralleling me or walking towards me
in the woodline. I finally caught a glance of this
figure that was down on all fours. I assumed it
was a bear. It stands up as soon as you know,
as soon as it stands up, I can notice the
broadness of the shoulders, I can notice what looked like
arms drooped down to its sides. It did not look
like a bear from from my vantage point at that point,
still didn't know what it was, just kind of stood
there in amazement for a few moments until it dropped
back down to all fours. And as soon as it did,
you know, I left the area. That kind of again
set and stone of like there's something out in the woods.
From that at fifteen, I didn't really do much with
it until I was about seventeen eighteen. Then I started
going on with some friends here and there. Never really
shared the story with them, but I had a buddy
of mine approached me and he was like, Hey, have
you ever seen this show? And it was Finding Bigfoot
on Animal Planet? And it really kind of kickstarted of
like I had this encounter, this memory in the back
of my mind that I was nervous to share with people,
but it was always there whenever we would go out
in the woods, and it really just evolved into early
adulthood of where I was like, well, you know, I
can do what I want now. There's no need to
be afraid, there's no need to feel shame or anything
like that. So, you know, it really just extended from that.
But that was my encounter and the one thing I
loved in life outside of the paranormal, the creepiness, cryptids,
all that kind of stuff, the stories that I grew
up hearing from grandfathers, friends, cousins, everybody. The one other
thing that I fell in love with was filmmaking and videography.
And what a better way to merge those two worlds,
especially now I as an adult, than highlighting topics such
as Bigfoot and the dog Man.
Speaker 1: Yeah, now, are or my mate, Jake, are you former
law enforcement or are you still law enforcement?
Speaker 5: Uh?
Speaker 4: Former? So I'm no longer in that. I do still
work for the government, more on a local level, not
with any like big three letter agencies or anything. Definitely
more municipal work with the municipal government. But it is
still one of those things of like you kind of
keep this topic hushed and keep it to yourself, especially
dealing with the public every day like I do in
the in the setting and the importance that I'm in.
Speaker 1: So okay, So while you were active, you know, law enforcement,
can you recall a time where you took a call
or do you know anyone that took a call that
could have possibly been encrypted related?
Speaker 4: There was never one when I was active. There was,
and I used it in the project that me and
my friends made Woodline years ago. It was kind of
our mock documentary, so to speak, documentary documentary of the
topic in Michigan, super small scale. I'm not happy with
it still today. I mean, it's got a couple hundred
and not one hundred. I wish I hit one hundred,
a couple hundred views. It's got a couple thousand views
on YouTube, which I guess is saying something. It's just
not what I wanted. But regardless, the way that that
film starts is with a nine to one one call.
The nine one one call was a legitimate call. I
got it through Foyer Freedom of Information Act after I
heard about it from some friends who were dispatching up
around the area. They basically knew me in private life
where we hang out outside of you know, work that
we did, and they said, hey, I took a really
weird call the other day and I was like, all right,
what do you got And they told me about it
went through chain of command to get to get the
rights to it, and I still have a copy of that,
which is cool. But this elderly woman called in. It
was an area in Oakland County. For those aren't who
aren't super familiar with Michigan, it's the next county north
from where like Detroit sits, so it's still super urban.
Highest population in the entire state resides within Oakland County,
like they have our biggest cities outside of Detroit. So
it's not a place that has a ton of forest.
You've got your rivers, you get your streams, you got
your little bit of farmland towards the north. But where
this nine one one call came from was one hundred
percent like an urban senate. And she placed a call
it said, Hey, I don't know what I'm looking at,
but I saw something on my ring doorbell. I'm rewatching
the footage now. It kind of looks like a human,
but if it is a human, it's huge, Like it's
way out of the range of anybody I've ever seen,
and I didn't see the video because there was no video.
She never submitted it as like evidence or anything. It's
just her nine one one call and then the CAD reports,
which is what police officers will put in their run themselves,
not even like a full narrative. It's literally just like
officer so and so, dispatch of this time, officer arrived
this time, Like I have a copy of that, And
even in their notes it said that she reported a
strange figure was the only way that it was worded,
which to me, thinking about this film, I'm like, that's interesting,
like that's an odd way to put that. But hearing
her voice and then putting that film, it was kind
of like you could tell like something was there. She
didn't know whether it was and I got this from
a news article I found after the fact, but she
went on record saying she didn't know if it was
like a ghost, if it was an anomaly, if it
was I think she used the word creature, like I
don't ever remember seeing or hearing her use bigfoot or sasquatch,
But within that call for her to say, if it's
a human, it's a way bigger than I've ever seen, like.
Speaker 1: Well, you know that's correct. That's so that's so interesting.
I mean, why would she go to that right exactly?
Speaker 4: And that's that's one of the things I wish, Like,
I wish I had her name. I wish I knew
of her name. Yeah, Freedom you know FOIA Freedom Information
Act for people that don't know it is redacted, it is.
It's a you know, every state has their own guidelines,
but federally it has to be redactive because you have
to protect certain information. So I never got her exact information,
but I would love to talk to her if I could.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, you're a filmmaker, it would be awesome
to have her testimony or what she saw included in
one of your films. That would be great.
Speaker 4: Absolutely, And that was kind of the goal of when
I got the nine one one call, I dug as
deep as I could at that time to look into
the news articles and stuff, and even the two articles
that I found didn't specifically name her. They did keep
her anonymous, and they also kept the general location anonymous.
They gave crossroads and it was at a condominium complex.
So you know, realistically I could probably narrow it down,
but to narrow it down to the exact unit. Try
to dig in that, like, that's a way way bigger
project than I've got time for. If I had the
time to do it, absolutely I would love to.
Speaker 1: But so you can't think of any way to get
a hold of her, because that could be gold, dude,
if you could get a hold of that footage.
Speaker 4: Yeah, if you know. Like I said, I'm sure I
could narrow it down in my free time. And I
appreciate you bringing it up because if I got some
slow time at work, I might be able to to
pick into some databases and find out a little more
if I can. But that happened in gosh, was that
twenty twenty two that that call came in? I think
if it wasn't, twenty two is twenty one, so you're
talking three four years.
Speaker 1: But yeah, so I'm interested to hear what you've been
working on, because you know the title of the show
to not big Foot dog Man Filmmaker. You have something
in the works, right, do you want to talk about that?
Speaker 4: I do have something in the works. I would love
to talk talk as much as I comfortably can about it.
I don't have any NDAs or anything like that. It's
just kind of my peace of mind of nothing's on
paper yet so to speak as far as being registered.
So you know, I love your audience. I try to
catch every show, as you know, because I try to
throw a comment when I can catch them. Everybody listening
here is pretty die hard. I can tell you have
all your regulars that are in the chat. Which how's
everybody tonight? Shout out to everybody that's here on behalf
of Wayne and the rest of us, Thanks for showing
up as you always do. But I just don't want
to throw my idea out to the zeitgeist and have
somebody snatch it up and like, hey, this hasn't been
done before. But the reason that I thought of it
is I've never seen one made before. So the premise
of my film, it's a creature feature mixed with a
little bit of a thriller mixed with some mystery. To
dive a little bit into that, I went in one
hundred percent of like, I'm making a big Foot film.
You can't talk me out of it. Bigfoot's the star
of my film. Don't know how I'm gonna do it
on a low budget. I don't have great CGI, don't
want to put it on the CGI. Maybe I'll get
a costume. You know, these are all the things running
through my head while I'm trying to create this. To
jump back a little bit, the reason that I kind
of sat on this path was of how disappointed I
am with the first project I did back in twenty
one or twenty two with Woodline. We released it straight
to YouTube. Like I said, I think the other day
when I checked and sitting around fifteen thousand views for
somebody that's never put out content like that was my
first legit, like, hey, here you go. I was happy
with that, but I watched it back and I was
just as me trying to learn more about film. I'm like,
my god, you did such a horrible job like that.
Imagery looks terrible, that camera could have been better, that
audio is poor, you know, the whole nine. Shooting myself
down as always do creatively. But from that, I knew
I wanted to create something better, something like I put
more time in head, a solid script, write it down,
YadA YadA. So reach out to my best friend Jesse,
who works on pretty much all the projects that we do.
He's kind of like my go to right hand man,
and that I give him stupid ideas almost every day,
and I say, hey, what do you think of this?
When I did that, I threw this out and he goes,
I love it. We need to make it. What is
it about? And I give him the story, like from
start to end in like a three paragraph text. I'm like,
here's my idea. He goes, you know, like reading this,
I got chills. Like the way that you're describing it
sounds great. Can we pull this off? And when he
said that, I don't know what it triggered in my head,
but I was like, how many bigfoot films are in
existence right now? Like if you sit and you think
about it, I'm talking like found footage, I'm talking bigfoots.
The antagonists He's.
Speaker 3: Stay tuned for more. But that they quit Reford, We'll
be right back.
Speaker 4: The protagonist Henry Harry and the Henderson's type vibe like
there's so many bigfoot films and that's not a bad
thing because I love watching them. I probably have seen
the large majority of them, and if I haven't, I'll
find the next one on YouTube and watch it tonight.
Like that's just what I do. With that being said,
it put in my mind of like you want to
stand out, you want to be like the next Like
you would like this to be your full time career.
How are you going to stand out in the millions?
Why don't you create something that really nobody else has created,
or at least not on a large scale. And I
started thinking, well, where can I pull inspiration from? And
I heard a song that highlights the legend of dog Man.
And when I heard that song, which I've heard before,
but for whatever reason, on this day, it literally came
across my Spotify shuffle because it's in there. I heard
the song and I was like, that's it, Like, I
have to make this film around dog Man, not Bigfoot,
and that's what we're planning on doing. So for the
last probably two months now, I have just been writing
and reading and rewriting and rereading, and it's been a
constant move. But I'm finally at the point where I've
gone through the first draft, i gone through the second draft.
I'm finally on my third final like putting finishing touches
on the script so that we can set a timeline
to begin shooting and hopefully get this thing out before
the end of next year. That's my goal.
Speaker 1: So this is a fictional film. You're writing it.
Speaker 4: This is a fictional film. It is scripted. I will
say that it's kind of fiction meets reality in a sense.
And what I mean by that is a lot of
the stuff that I plan on touching on and having
my actors portray and say anderience throughout the film is
all based on supposed real events. It's based on real encounters.
It's based on real legends that have been shared as
far as stories have passed down. I will say I
am working with a notable songwriter. I will just say
I really wish I could give the name, but I
do want to leave it at that. I am working
with a notable songwriter, pretty well known throughout Michigan, fairly
well known throughout the Midwest. He's helped inspire this project
a lot, and I am picking pieces from his past
work and kind of sprinkling them here, dabbling them there
to really create this overall project.
Speaker 1: Wow, so he is well on to the Michigan area.
Speaker 4: He is, Yeah, he is. And it's the one thing, like,
if I said his name, it kind of gives away
my entire plotline here. So that's the one reason, you know,
I don't I don't want to release it, but I
will say that the uh, the whole legend of the
dog Man is super well known throughout Michigan. Obviously it's
Wisconsin like and that's what I look to touch on.
I look to touch on heavily in my area. The
things that I inspired me growing up, those campfire stories.
Like I said, one of the songs that I listened to,
the guy that I've been able to collaborate with, which
you know, it's funny you bring up the trying to
track down the woman that had the nine one one call.
I feel like I could probably do it because if
you would have, if you would know, and I can
tell you backstage the lengths that I had to go
to get in contact with this guy just to like, hey, look,
let me pitch you my idea, like I'm pitching a
television series here to a Hollywood producer, Like can I
do this? Can I get your blessing and your allowance
to take what you've done and go one step further
with it? And it's like I never met this individual,
Like to me, he's a stranger. He's if you want
to say, has some low level fame. He's pretty well known.
He's worked in radio, he's worked on different film projects
throughout the state, throughout the Midwest. So it was really
like just that it's just that pressure inside of me
to want to create a film of like I guess,
going to whatever lengths I gotta do to get it done.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I mean it's pretty well accepted that
Michigan is the dog man capital of the US. Do
you have any idea as to why that is? Why
would why would there be more prevalent sidings of dog
man in Michigan rus other states?
Speaker 4: I really don't know, honestly. I mean, you know, I'm
pretty Michigan biased because I live here, I was born
and raised here. I mean, if I move right now,
you can see two things. Both had the state. My
shirt even has you know, it's one of the I'm
my sixteen twenty one shirt has the state on it.
I mean, we're I'm very patriotic when it comes to
my state. But when you're talking about why for a
cryptid it's a hot spot and maybe the hottest spot
in all of the hot spots, like hotter than anywhere else,
I don't know why, because our our ecology is not
that unique, you know, it's really not. We have the
same thing every other state has. Where a northern state
you get snow like our temperatures get well below freezing
it into the zub Zeros like. I don't. I don't
know why. I wish I knew or even had an idea,
because I don't.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I wish, I wish I knew too.
I mean, I don't know. But there are so many
reports coming out of Michigan. I mean, you're right next
to Ohio. I mean you hear some from Ohio, but
not as many. I just I don't know what it
is man is there? Because when I first got into
this and I I'm killed, I'm still kind of in
the belief that I don't know where I stand on
dog man. Maybe it's a misidentified bigfoot. That's kind of
where I stand. But when you talk to people that
have had these experiences, they say, no, this is not
this was not a bigfoot. This was a dog on
human feet or human legs or whatever. And I just
don't know what to make of that, you know, and
why Michigan has so many more than others. I just
I can't wrap my head around.
Speaker 4: I don't know either. Maybe it's I mean, we got
a pretty high incarceration rate. Maybe maybe people are nuts.
I don't know, you know, no, I you know, in
all seriousness, I really don't know. And I've sighed with you.
I mean, I'm making a film that the main I
didn't want to say main character, but the main antagonist
at the end is a dog man. But I'm with you.
I don't really fully believe in the subject. I mean,
I'm using using it to uh to hopefully create something
that people like here and can set me on a
path to uh to maybe do something more permanent in
my life one day. But you know, I'm not willing
to put all my eggs in the basket and say, hey, yeah,
this thing exists. Uh, there's there's far too many questions
for me still if it does or not.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So where are you on the whole Bigfoot thing?
Do you Are you confident that it's a real phenomenon.
Speaker 4: I'm confident that it exists, yes, which is kind of
a it's a double ed chores sword for me because
even with my own encounter, I think it happens so
fast and it's been so many years now that I
do go back and I'm like, is that really what
you experienced? You know? The characteristics that literally have burnt
into my mind. I don't know what else it would
have been. But I still hold that doubt of like,
am I one of the lucky ones? You know, if
that makes sense to be in a lucky one? But
speaking on its existence overall, I'm one hundred percent of like,
there's no doubt in my mind it does exist. But
which brings up another point. You ask for the dog
man of why Michigan soul heavily populated here. I kind
of thought the same thing about Bigfoot, even like I
always grew up thinking and kind of being told like Washington, Oregon,
northern California, that's it. Getting get older, Yeah, yeah, just
the Pacific Northwest. And then you know, I grow up
and you hear the stories and it's like, no, these
things are They're everywhere, and it makes sense that they're everywhere,
But it's like, what is it about Ohio that so
many more people see them? And they put that state
so high up? Just like with Washington, you can go
back to the rainforests and the thick rain and everything,
and it's easy to hide. But like Ohio, like southern Ohio,
you got some hills, but even a lot of the
majority of Ohio's flat land, like it's just as flat
as Michigan. So yeah, just a question.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a great, great point, Jake, because I spoke
at a conference last year in Ohio and I'm doing
the same one this year. In Ohio. My son went
with me, my oldest boy, and we kept talking about
how just how freaking flat it was, and how every
every town we went through looked like it was haunted.
Every house down there looked like it was a haunted house.
That's neither here nor there. But I mean, to your point, yet,
why is Ohio ranked so high on the list? Why
isn't I mean, Kentucky is pretty high, but why isn't Michigan.
Why isn't Indiana the states that you know kind of
border it almost, Why aren't they as high as Ohio?
I don't get it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's it's even like and I've never been, so
before you start killing me in the I've never been.
But Texas is like one of those high states too.
For is that not all just flat like land? I mean,
am I wrong on that?
Speaker 1: Flat? Hot as hell? I've never been to Texas either,
but I've heard stories, But I mean, it's flat, it's
hot as you know what, And I mean, why why
would it undiscovered ape or primate? Why would it thrive
in the area like Texas.
Speaker 4: It's crazy. Like to me, those are the things that
don't make sense. Like and I'm I'm firm it exists.
It's out there. But six hundred pound, six seven foot
tall ape running around the plains of Texas. That doesn't
make sense to me. So like if you were to
ask me, or you were to tell me, hey, it
only exists in Texas, I'd say, yeah, you're full of shit,
it's not real. But the fact that it's everywhere, it's like, Okay,
well maybe it can Adad, I don't know.
Speaker 1: And then you get the whole the Bigfoot. You can
make arguments, yeah, this is an undiscovered primate. The Gigantopithecus.
You know, I was just talking about this past weekend.
Gigantopithecus is believed to have existed. I mean, it's pretty
much proven to have existed, not that long ago as
far as you know environmentally and ecology and all of
that speaking, it wasn't really that long ago, but we
have bones and stuff for Gigantipithecus. But that was an
ape that was like a ten foot tall ape that
we believe walked upright due to the fossils that we have,
so we can explain how possibly they're here. With the
land bridge, you know, before the continent separated and all
that stuff, they were able to cross, and so we
can understand that what the fuck is a dog man?
Where does that come from?
Speaker 4: It's the golden question.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and there so many people will talk about it
being that government created or something like that. I don't know.
I mean, where, where on where the hell did it good?
Did a dog make come from?
Speaker 4: No, yeah, that's an excellent question, because I'll be honest,
I sighed more on if it's a real thing, and
my mind goes to misidentification as far as a bigfoot
nine times out of ten. Now again, I'm pretty heavily
you know, in the camp of like big what's real?
So of course my mind's gonna go there. But yeah,
I don't know, because I've heard the same stories as you.
More so trying to read into more reports doing the
whole project I'm working on. But of like the ones
that go, yeah, I had a snout like a German shepherd,
and I had pointed ears it looked like, you know
this dog. It looked like that dog. And I'm like,
it doesn't make sense to me, Like none of this
is making sense in my mind.
Speaker 1: No, No, I want to take a second to say
hello to Amber. Amber is my new friend that I'm
very fond of. Thank you for joining us, Amber. All right? Uh,
but yeah, man, I agree, I agree with you. I
just I don't understand why these people that believe in
dog Man, I'm gonna, I'm gonna piss so many people off,
so many people that I care about, And I hate
that because I've already had this talk with a couple
of people. But I just don't understand why it's so
hard for them to accept that this could be a
misidentified big Foot. I mean, why do you have to
Why does it have to be something completely different?
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a good question, you know. I I don't know.
It depends. Everybody's different. Everybody's got their their strong opinions
on one thing or another. I guess maybe it's just
the older I'm I fall more into that gray area
of like it if if I were to meet like
the Almighty, so to speak, the one that knew everything,
and they told me, hey, everything you've heard about Bigfoot.
It's made up, like it's been convoluted. Their stories. It's
been passed down because of this encounter with this ape
that lived a long time ago. The people that came
here used it as a fear story to keep their
kids and relatives out of the woods. YadA, YadA, YadA.
If that was like the ultimate truth, I'm okay with it.
Like I'd be like, okay, well, you know, it was
fun while lasted kind of you know, it changes, it
would change a lot of my perspective on some things.
But to that, I don't like you. I just don't
get why so many people are like dead set. I'm like,
this is what it is. You can't tell me any differently.
Blah blah blah. Very like closed minded. I don't know.
I think open minded this, especially when you're talking about
what we're talking about now, is like a requisite to
even speak of it. In my opinion, you got to
keep it.
Speaker 3: Open night, stay tuned for more. But the big flipper
for it. We'll be right back.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I agree with that. You you absolutely have to.
I mean, I just I don't know. I don't know
what to make of this whole this whole dog Man phenomena.
And I don't want to make people mad. I don't.
But at the same time, I got to be true
to myself and I have to be honest, and I
just I don't know. I don't know what to make
of it. You know, we're doing the Squatch out coming
out coming up here at the end of the month,
and it's at the Lbo the land between the lakes,
and there is a very very famous story of a
family being massacred there. I don't know where to go
with that. Are you familiar with that story?
Speaker 4: I'm not. I love to hear if you want share,
because I'm not familiar.
Speaker 1: It was in the late seventies, early eighties or something
like that. There was a family that was camping there
and they were in a camper. It was a mom
and dad, a boy and a girl, if I remember correctly,
a son and a daughter. The son was the older one.
This family was completely torn apart by something. I mean,
it was terrible. Supposedly someone came out a few years
back and claim to have been there. There were a
friend of the family, and they were there. They hid
while the whole thing happened. I don't know, but it
came out and it was a huge story. People kept
talking about it. But this whole entire family was massacred
and you cannot find any information on it. Okay, So
can you not find any information on it because it
didn't happen, or can you not find any information on
it because they covered it up. That's always the thing
that conspiracy people will go to. Well, you know, they
don't want you to know, so they covered it up.
I mean, really, who are you supposed to believe?
Speaker 4: Yeah, that gets hard. That's you know, I can relate
to that. It's funny. One of the things I do.
I won't go too much into my job, but part
of my full time job is I do handle foil
requests that come into to the municipality I work for.
And I've heard and it makes me relate as somebody
that actually does it every single day of like reading
what this person wants, I got to go try to
find it, and if I can't find it, even on
a regular like body camp footage, like theyn't want body
camp footage, and I got to tell them, hey, the
officer didn't record it that day, and they'll be like, oh,
that's a lie. I know he recorded it. He has
to record it, and I'm like, well, he I don't
know what to tell you. It doesn't exist. So it's
kind of that fine line every time I hear those
kind of stories of like is it a cover up
or did it really just not happen? My mind, as
bad as it probably sounds, is it goes to more
so towards it just didn't happen, rather than it's a
cover up. Now, of course, something like that story, I
could live in the gray area of like if it's
a big enough incident to where it could cause either
public panic, it could divide some lines, it has some
sort of actual legit controversy, I could see a cover up.
But your typical roadside crossing of a bigfoot and like, yeah,
the police came out and I've put a report out,
Like they're not gonna put in their report, you know,
man reported seeing bigfoot. They're gonna put man reported seeing
unknown suspect, unknown creature. Like they're most of the time
not putting specific words because they don't want it to
head back lashing in there own like you know, within
their own departments. They don't want to look weird to
their co workers. They don't want things to get denied,
have to do extra light work all because of this. Like,
and I'm not saying that I'm speaking for everybody. I'm
just speaking from my own personal experience of what I've
experienced and those that I've talked to. But again, it's
kind of that gray area. And like you said, is
it a cover up or it it just not exists?
Speaker 1: You know, so many damn questions, so many damn questions
that we would never know the answer to.
Speaker 4: That's a pretty wild story though, from that will be all.
I've never heard.
Speaker 1: That it is. Look it up, man, I mean, it's
been out there. It's like folklore. People talk about it,
you know, quite a bit. But again, you can't find
anything on it as far as official documents.
Speaker 4: Yeah, isn't that similar? Like and if anybody out there,
even you know, Wayne, it's somebody doesn't know. All apologies
ahead of time. But I've never looked too much into
the Uh. I don't even know how to pronounce it.
De vaulty pass? Is that what it is over in Russia?
Speaker 2: Uh?
Speaker 1: Diet love pass?
Speaker 4: Is that how you pronounce it? Okay, where they supposedly
saw some sort of creature that ended up attacking everybody
and killing everybody. But there was a show.
Speaker 1: I've done a show on that, maybe even a couple
shows on the d aut Law Pass is what it is,
and that happened over in Russia. That was crazy, man,
it it absolutely one happened. What happened to these kids
that were on that and they were experienced hikers. This
wasn't just let's go for a hike. These people were
They've been doing it their whole lives. They were like
taking a class on it or something. They knew what
the hell they were doing, okay, and they were going
up this pass and just when they found their bodies,
I mean the stuff that happened to them, Like there
were a couple of them. Their their chests were crushed
and the coroners reported it being similar to a high
speed car accident. They were hiking. What the hell you
know this? One lady had her tongue cut out or
torn out. Others were missing their eyes. And when they
found the tent that they were sleeping in when all
this occurred, they cut their way out from the inside
of the tent. That's proven. Their shoes, their boots, their
clothes were left behind because they left in such a
hurry because something was fucking with them, so I mean,
and then they had that one famous shot of some
that that looks like lot like a bigfoot. I know
you've seen it. It looks a lot like a bigfoot
type creature that was staring at them, But they've just
played that off. I don't know. And what's interesting, Brian
and I talked about this on an episode of that
Bigfoot podcast. After that, there was another incident like ad
at Law Passed Part two in the same area I believe,
where someone actually survived and they got away, and this
lady talked about witnessing these people go just fucking crazy.
They were like bashing their heads into rocks, they were
just doing all kinds of weird stuff. So I don't
know if that was like the Russians experimenting with like
gases and stuff like that and made them go crazy.
I don't know. But the whole dat Law Pass thing
really happened.
Speaker 4: Okay, Yeah, that's you know, is as bad as it is.
I get my information on that from TikTok videos, So
I can't trust what I see.
Speaker 1: TikTok.
Speaker 4: Dude, you can, but you can also experience a lot
of brain rot and just waste hours at a time, you know,
but I have seen the picture that that picture is,
like I can imagine it now. Yeah, I don't know,
that's pretty crazy. You know, there's a lot of that's
a whole different tangent you can get on. But there's
been a lot of government, you know, cover ups that
have come out, especially around that time frame that I
could see either or you know, I could I could
understand it being a big Foot type creature, or I
could see the government just fucking with people and experimenting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and there's so many videos, like one of the
most compelling videos I've seen a big that happened in Russia.
I mean, there's a lot that comes out of there.
I'm talking about the one with the little boys are
out looking and there, following this trackway and then all
of a sudden they see this big black thing stand
up and look at it, and they all break the
hell out and run away. Yeah that's something, man, Those
kids were not faking.
Speaker 4: Yeah. I like the long version of that video too,
because like you can catch the snippet of where it
stands up and it takes off, and that's what you see,
Like the most.
Speaker 1: You know, don't you.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, but if you watch like the original, I
think you can still find on YouTube. It's been years.
I've tried, but I don't. I can't imagine. I got
taken down where they're just walking like along the woods,
like having a friendly I don't know what they're saying, obviously,
but like they're just bantering as kids do, and this
goes on for several minutes before they finally come across
this thing. So like even yeah, and.
Speaker 1: The whole I watched a couple of videos with you know,
you all saw me bring up Amber earlier. That's that's
my girlfriend, Hello Amber. I watched a couple of videos
with her this week, and one of them was the
There are a couple of my favorites. The ATV writer
that's going through the creek through the water and he's
never placed a Bigfoot video before in his life. He's
just not into that. He always does like ATV videos.
He's on his four wheeler in the creek and he's
going along in something big and black or brown walks
in front of him in the creek. Have you seen
that one?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm familiar.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that's a great one, in my opinion,
that's one of the best. So we watched that one
this weekend. And another one was the kids in Canada
that were the high school students that were making a
video for school for like a project or something like that,
and it showed they had no idea anything was going
to happen. They showed this kid running and that was
all film. That was all stage. This kid running toward him.
And as this kid runs out this open field, you
see this giant ape thing come like on all fours,
come tramping, look like a gorilla. Have you seen it?
Speaker 4: I don't think I've seen that. I've seen like something similar.
Speaker 1: Okay, I'll send it to you that. That's so compelling
because there's not gorillas in the wild in Canada as
far as I.
Speaker 4: Know, not that I know, not unless they had some zooistap.
Speaker 1: But yeah, that I mean, that would be it. But
I mean, it's amazing. This kid is filming this other kid.
He says action. This kid runs out of the woods
toward him and then as he's running, you see this
huge thing come loping out from right to left and
the kid says, what was that or something like that.
I mean, it was it's such good film.
Speaker 4: Wow, Yeah, I'd love to see that. If you remember
to send it to me, I'll check that off.
Speaker 1: I will. If I can find it, I'll send it
to you.
Speaker 4: Okay, I do have a question for you, and I'm
going to try to word this appropriately and if it's
something you don't want to speak on, totally get it
and I respect it. With your squatch out coming up,
I know you've been doing it for a couple of
years and I don't know. I think she was a
former speaker, but you talked to somebody one time years ago,
very controversial, and I know Brian has shared the episode.
I know you guys have talked about her since then.
I don't want to do you know what I'm talking about. Yeah,
have you have you in your your time going out
in the woods, have you ever tried some of the
words that she claimed were communication words? Have you ever
tried to announce those.
Speaker 1: I've been in the woods with her, okay, and I
have watched her do it firsthand. Okay, and I have
I've witnessed her claim to get a response. I did
not get the response. I didn't hear anything, I didn't
feel anything. And it's because I guess I'm not enlightened enough.
I don't know, but I mean to answer your question, no,
I mean, huh huh.
Speaker 4: Okay, It's one of those things I'm tell you. I'm
drawing inspiration from everywhere. I'm picking little pieces from Bigfoot
stuff because Bigfoot, you know, for those that are interested
in it, and I hope I don't. I'll be honest
with you, I don't know where I plan to release it.
This kind of to jump back to the film, this
in mind is really something that I thought the initial
presentation of it, I am and plan on pitching to
local film festivals. So when it is complete, I don't
plan on putting it directly onto YouTube. I'm not trying
with a goal of mine to get on any streaming service.
I am trying to get it shown locally. First. One,
I want to see if it's good enough to be accepted. Two,
if it is accepted, I want to get a reaction
from the audience that is actually willing to view it.
And I want to know firsthand how they feel. And
if all of those go well, then yeah, I'll try
to get it on possibly to Be or something like that,
just to do it. And if it all goes south,
then it's gonna go up free for YouTube and everybody
can do it. But you know, to speak on more
of that, I'm pulling inspiration from everywhere. And I just
recently went back and I listened to that video, that
two part interview you did with her, and there was
a lot in there that I still today am like,
I still question. I'm like, I wonder the validity of it,
the truth behind it, and if it's possible. And that
was one of the things, is that, like the chatter
that she claims of them having a language, so to speak,
is just I wanted to know if I go out
and the woods and use it, I wonder if it
would work or if it's all just hogwash.
Speaker 1: I don't know, you know, I mean, that's a great question.
Speaker 3: It makes me think, stay tuned for more. But the
big floper for it, We'll be right back.
Speaker 1: All the times that I've been in the woods on
expedition and I brought my blowtooth speaker, It's happened more
than a couple of times. Brought my bluetooth speaker and
I played the fucking Sierra sounds, you know call blasts
the Sierra sounds. I don't know what the hell they're saying, Yeah,
I could be inviting them in for dinner. I mean,
I don't. I don't know what the fuck they're talking about,
you know, but I don't know. But my whole thing
with and I just Janis Carter is who you're talking about.
We all know that. I will tell you that. As
far as Janie is concerned, I do think there's a
snippet of truth to her story. Like everyone else, I
think you don't just you don't just crap this stuff
out at Something led to it, something made you experience something,
You experienced something, and then maybe you just started embellishing.
I think that's what happened with Janis. And I've been
on the record saying that I think there's a snippet
of truth of what's happened to her. But I think
that she has taken that and ran with it. I
think her grandfather did have some experiences with the Bigfoot.
Maybe she even saw the Bigfoot. Was it named Fox?
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 1: Did it do all of the things that I have
a wife named Sheba, I don't know. Did I have
a kid named Blackie? I don't know. Did Blackie rape
this thirteen year old girl that was put into an
insane asylum here in Chattanooga where I live. I don't know,
because you can't find record of it anywhere. But if
you can't find record of it, is it because it
didn't happen or was it covered up? That's what they
can always say. But I will tell you, Janice Carter,
I believe there's a snippet of truth. And I will
tell you that the one time that I hung out
with her in person, she came camping with me and
my buddy Walls and a few other people, and I
got her off to the side we were alone, and
I told her, you know how much I enjoyed her
book and everything like that. And I asked her, I said, now,
what do you say to the people that question you?
And she stopped me, Jake, She stopped me mid sentenced
and said, you have a problem with this, right, And
she told me an element that I was having at
the time. It wasn't a knee, it wasn't a shoulder,
a lamp or anything like that that you could visually see.
It was something internally that was going on with me
at the time. And she was right, Yeah, how do
you explain that?
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's crazy? I've always felt similar to you, that
there's something there. You know, I've listened to it several times.
I just listened to it not that long ago. Again,
that's probably my fourth or fifth time listening to part
one and then two. There's something there, like, she definitely
experienced something. But like you said, did the thing wear
overalls and an ex wrestler's T shirt? I don't know, maybe,
but I doubt it. However, she experienced something, you know,
one hundred per century.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she said, he wore that six x L T shirt.
Couldn't get him to put the pants or the overalls
on because he wouldn't cover as junk. I don't know.
I don't know why. But he wore that shirt till
it was just a rag hanging around his collar, you know. Yeah,
And how cool would that be? How amazing would that
be for that to have been your life growing up?
Speaker 4: It's crazy, it's and I don't mean to laugh, but
it's even the yeah, all right, but it's it's the photos, right,
those photos from the blond haired one standing by the car.
I don't know what it is. That's not what I picture.
Speaker 1: The one that drives the truck. Yeah, the one that
that that dreads the tear and bloom it.
Speaker 4: That's it.
Speaker 1: That's the ship that ruins everything that she has said.
Speaker 4: You know, hey, I see what's funny is I saw
her speak. She was at a conference here, I think
that was twenty nineteen, and uh we cut we were
like in and out, me and my friends, and I
remember catching like just snippets of it, you know, bouncing
back between that and a vendors table. So I never
heard her entire story, Yeah, until you did your interview,
and then it kind of brought me all back. But uh,
but you're right. When I saw those photos, I kind
of I'm like, I don't know about this one. You know.
Speaker 1: That was doctor Igor Burt. Yeah, that that claimed all
of that, and and Janice is a good friend of his.
She stood beside him, and she like, I guess verified
it and all that stuff, which did nothing for her reputation,
you know, let's be honest. Yeah, but he also claimed
to have all the bigfoot, that same bigfoot and put
him on the phone during a conference.
Speaker 4: I am a I'm gonna be one hundred percent honest.
I would legit. I was about to say, if they
do exist, I would love to take a call from
one one day.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, well he did.
Speaker 4: That's too funny, that's too much.
Speaker 1: Wow, man, that's good stuff.
Speaker 4: That would be your best interview you've ever did.
Speaker 1: I think so too, man. It definitely has the most
views of any Anyway, we got some questions we need
to get to.
Speaker 6: Are.
Speaker 1: First off, Troy two fingered. Troy has been a member
for twenty months. Thank you so much, buddy, My good buddy, Allen.
I was talking to you about Alan from Cadillite, Michigan
earlier before we came on. Because you're from Michigan. What
part of Michigan are you in.
Speaker 4: I'm near Detroit. I'm in Wayne County, so there's no
woods really around me.
Speaker 1: Okay. Also from Allen, do you feel your movie will
help mine move the ball, move the ball down the court?
Or is it more entertainment? Got here last covered already?
I apologized.
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, absolutely, it's definitely entertainment. It is a like
I said, it's it's a written out script. It's a
fictional story. There are gonna be snippets that I take
from different encounters, things that I've read, but I'm not
looking to prove anything with this, and it is not
in any way one of those type of documentaries. This
is a legit film, so.
Speaker 1: Okay, and Troy, this is more of a comment. I
hope you see a dog man into the month in
the LBO, Wayne, because we will be there at the
end of the month at the LBL. LBL is known
for a dog man siding, So maybe just shut me
the hell up and I'll see a dog man.
Speaker 4: That'd be sick.
Speaker 1: That'd be great. Also from Allen from Michigan, there's no
history or evolution for a dog man. I think that
is why it's hard to get on board with as
a flesh and blood creature. I would agree with that. Yeah,
it's not really a question, but thank you buddy. All Right, Troy,
if big but if Bigfoot is a primate, couldn't dog
man be misidentified bad boon, which is a prime Absolutely.
Speaker 4: I think you and I both agreed on that earlier.
It's it's much more likely for me to believe misidentification
on a whether it's Bigfoot or if it's another animal
that actually exists. You know, I think you and Brian
and Brian's done it the most. But you guys have
thrown off the idea of like kangaroos. I love that idea.
I don't think I don't think there's millions of kangaroos
romping around the forest, but I do love that idea. Like,
as soon as he said that on one of the episodes,
I envisioned that like fitting one hundred percent to the teeth.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I agree with you, and that the whole
kangaroo thing is very, very fun and interesting to think about,
t Roy. There are stories about the two first responding
officers stopping at the local store after they left the scene.
The lady in the store had waited on them for years.
She said they were shaky. And I think he's talking
about the whole dog Man massacre thing. Okay, yeah there.
I mean there's there's all kinds of people that will
swear that this thing happened there again there, Yeah, yeah, dude,
there's no official I'll put you in touch with one
of our speakers at the lbl IS, Elijah Henderson. He
and his late father, they used to do this cryptid
thing on YouTube and he still does Crypto Studies Institute.
That's what it is. But they the person that was
supposedly there reached out to them and they had him
on for an interview, and he gave his whole story.
I'll put you in touch with Elijah and see if
maybe he can get you the whole story.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'll do that, and you.
Speaker 1: Being a filmmaker, that that would be useful for you,
I think. All right, Ristol, Jake, are you familiar with
Joe Barger's Michigan dog Man account?
Speaker 4: Not specifically, not by the name anyway, So I may
have heard it, I throw one out. If he's a
truck driver that supposedly had a run in with one
of these things, then yes I have. And if Joe
is not a truck driver, then no, I don't think
I have, but I may have.
Speaker 1: That name doesn't sound familiar m.
Speaker 4: Not to me either. No, So nothing that I can
confidently say yes on, but I could have.
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, And lastly, I want to say hey
to the very beautiful and lovely miss Amber Taylor. Thank
you for tuning in them. Ah right, that is all
of the questions. Not Jake, tell everybody where they can
find you, what you're working on, anything that you want
to promote.
Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely appreciate it. We are, I should say I
am not we Jesse's kind of against it, but I
have taken a bit of a hiatus from anything new
as far as sixteen twenty one Studios is concerned. I
got a lot of stuff in the pipeline that I've
been waiting to release. We do have a couple paranormal
esque videos that'll be dropped by the end of the year,
so watch for those if if you'd like, that'd be great.
Anybody that's listening to this right now that has had
a dog Man encounter, even a bigfootencounter, if you want
to share it with me, but I'm specifically looking for
dog Man just within mind of my project I'm working on,
please email me. I take all emails. I understand Wayne
and I have joked a couple times about a certain somebody. However,
I do take all accounts seriously. If you say you
have had something experienced some sort of experience, I am
not the person to look at you and say, hey,
that's not true. So if you would like to share
your experience with me, please do. You can email one
six two to one Productions at gmail dot com sixteen
twenty one Productions at gmail dot com. So Bristol, I
see that was him the truck driver, So yes, I
have read that story. It's a pretty wild one. Uh Wayne,
If you haven't, you know, I don't go. I won't
go into full details. But it was a truck driver
that claimed to have run in with a dog man.
I don't remember exactly if he struck it with his
semi while he was driving in northern Michigan. He may have,
and I if that is true, then I think he
stopped and kind of backed up and the thing attacked
like his his window, either broke his window out or
like attacked him of like trying to get retribution for
hitting him or almost hitting him. But uh but regardless, Wristol,
you may know more than I do, so you can
fill man. But that's all I got. Sixteen twenty one
productions at gmail dot com. If you've had a dog
Man account or please share it with me. And that's it.
Speaker 1: Thank you all right, awesome, awesome, Thank you so much,
buddy for coming on. And I'll let you know personally
that I have not given up on the project that
you and I and Brian have talked about. It's it's
gonna happen. It's just a matter of lining everything up
and I look forward to working with you in the
future buddy. Absolutely, thank you all right, man, thank you
so much for taking the time to come and hang
out with us tonight. It was awesome. You are welcome
back anytime and we will stay in touch.
Speaker 4: All right.
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Speaker 5: Through the woods. The pine trees sway, shadows long at
end of day. Bigfoots call on the whispering breathe Secrets
kept by ancient trees. Dog man house bring echoes in
the silent too. Tracks we five, but answers none. A
hunt for truth that's just begun. We're searching past the
fire light, Creatures hidden out of sight in the forest heart,
where shadows lay seeking seecrets in the twilight. Through the fall,
a shaped did gly skin walker eyes wide, legends of Oh,
we chase to night in the dark, our lanterns bright
by the creek, Queer water spill whispers wry, the windsow chill,
forest deep man tails.
Speaker 6: On toe in this land. The myths of O.
Speaker 5: We're searching past the fire light full creatures hidden out
of sight in the forest heart, where shadows lay seeking
seecrets in the twilight break