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Speaker 3: All right, Welcome back everybody. As we head into the
Speaker 3: ten o'clock hour here, I will tell you that I
Speaker 3: want to talk and get your reaction to the decision
Speaker 3: by President Biden to pardon his son Hunter not only
Speaker 3: for the crimes for which he has been convicted, but
Speaker 3: in addition covers quite quite a time in office. Let
Speaker 3: me put it like that. We'll get to all of that,
Speaker 3: but before we do that, I just want to take
Speaker 3: a moment and ask you to think about we we
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Speaker 3: because people are always willing to make a donation or volunteer.
Speaker 3: And it doesn't have to be time to Christmas. It's
Speaker 3: can be a charity in the summertime for kids on
Speaker 3: summer camps or whatever it is. It is. It's done
Speaker 3: at the end of the year. It's a great way
Speaker 3: to end my broadcast year. So that's that's an open invitation,
Speaker 3: first come, first served. Now yet late last night or
Speaker 3: not late last night, the President of the United States,
Speaker 3: Joe Biden, essentially admitted to us that last summer he lied,
Speaker 3: last spring he lied. He was at the Normandy Anniversaries
Speaker 3: in early June in France and he was asked by
Speaker 3: an ABC reporter if he would pardon his son, Hunter Biden,
Speaker 3: and he said no. And he repeated that statement repeatedly.
Speaker 3: And this is a cut number two. This is Joe
Speaker 3: Biden in June of this year.
Speaker 4: You're going through something that so many American families go through,
Speaker 4: the intersection of addiction in the criminal justice system.
Speaker 3: But you're not like most families.
Speaker 4: Was your unable to get a fair trial?
Speaker 5: Do you believe the Justice Department operated independently of politics.
Speaker 6: With regard to the question regarding the family. I'm extremely
Speaker 6: proud of my son Hunter. He has overcome an addiction.
Speaker 6: He is He's one of the brightest, most decent men
Speaker 6: I know. And I am satisfied that I'm not gonna
Speaker 6: do anything. I said, I advide by the jury decision,
Speaker 6: and I will do that and I will not partner him.
Speaker 3: Pretty clear statement by Joe Biden. The Globe will have
Speaker 3: a piece tomorrow, I think written by I hope I'm
Speaker 3: going to pronounce these names correctly. If I don't, I apologize.
Speaker 3: I'm not familiar with the writers and Jolly Huon and
Speaker 3: Katie Johnston of the Globe staff. Basically, this story cleared
Speaker 3: earlier this evening. Biden's pardon of his son exudes white privilege,
Speaker 3: local advocates say, and they talked to a number of
Speaker 3: people who are involved in crime and justice issues. A
Speaker 3: community liaison for prisoner's Legal Services in Massachusetts, Mac Hudson,
Speaker 3: demonstrate quote, what it is to have white privilege. Biden
Speaker 3: used that privilege unashamed of least aid Hudson, who was
Speaker 3: incarcerated for more than thirty years and now focuses on
Speaker 3: addressing racial inequities in the criminal justice system. Hudson continued,
Speaker 3: he happens to be black. When you see the type
Speaker 3: of flagrant exercise, what does it say to us, the
Speaker 3: black and brown folks who are fighting constantly just for
Speaker 3: basic fundamental rights. I agree with him. I agree with
Speaker 3: what that gentleman just said. State Senator Jamie Eldridge, He's
Speaker 3: a Marlborough Democrat who cheers the Senate's Criminal Justice Reform Caucus, said,
Speaker 3: Biden's decision makes it harder for all Democrats to make
Speaker 3: the point, especially for our own court system, that if
Speaker 3: someone is convicted, that their justice needs to be carried
Speaker 3: out as compassionate as a father is for a son.
Speaker 3: Outridge added, Joe Biden is the president, and there are
Speaker 3: tens of thousands of people who are convicted of federal
Speaker 3: offenses who've been waiting for years, in many cases decades,
Speaker 3: for pardons commut or commuting their sentences. Biden's pardon of
Speaker 3: his son came a couple of weeks after dozens of
Speaker 3: members of Congress, co led by Representative Ayana Pressley, sent
Speaker 3: a letter to Biden urging him to use his clemency
Speaker 3: power in his final weeks to grant pardons and commutations
Speaker 3: for broad classes of people behind bars. Such a move,
Speaker 3: the letter said, would rectify unjust that un necessary criminal
Speaker 3: laws passed by Congress and draconian sentences given by judges.
Speaker 3: So this look, I don't have a lot of sympathy
Speaker 3: for Hunter Biden, okay. I know that he went through
Speaker 3: an addiction. Through a lot of young men and women
Speaker 3: in this country who go through addiction, he had every
Speaker 3: privilege available. His father was a United States Senator from
Speaker 3: the day he was born. His father was vice president
Speaker 3: of the United States. This is not your average young
Speaker 3: person who gets involved with drugs and then involved somehow
Speaker 3: ensneered in the criminal justice system. I have more sympathy
Speaker 3: for those people that I do for Hunter Biden. The
Speaker 3: all along, all along, the President and his team have
Speaker 3: said nope, nope, no, not gonna hunt, not gonna pardon Hunter.
Speaker 3: This is Carene Jean Pierre speaking pretty clearly when I
Speaker 3: asked that question. This is her in June of this year.
Speaker 3: Two c Please Rob.
Speaker 5: What I'm saying is that the president I am not
Speaker 5: spoken to the President about this, And what I'm saying
Speaker 5: is he was asked about a pardon. He was asked
Speaker 5: about he was asked about the trial specifically, and he
Speaker 5: answered it very clearly, very forthright. As we know, the
Speaker 5: sentencing hasn't even been scheduled yet. I don't have anything
Speaker 5: beyond what the President said. He's been very clear about this.
Speaker 3: Very clear about it. I'll tell you clear. This is
Speaker 3: July of two thousand and three. This again is Caree
Speaker 3: Jean Pierre KJP quick quick response, A little clearer. I
Speaker 3: hoped cut to a Rob little.
Speaker 4: Cutting partner for commute his son if he's convicted.
Speaker 7: So I've answered this question before.
Speaker 5: It was asked of me not too long ago, a
Speaker 5: couple of weeks ago, and I was very clear and
Speaker 5: I said.
Speaker 3: No, Okay, well no until last night, and I guess
Speaker 3: they had a family dinner down in Nantucket. So if
Speaker 3: you want to join the conversation, so I can turn
Speaker 3: the question on you and ask you what would have
Speaker 3: you done if you were the president and he was
Speaker 3: your son. But this is a guy who told the
Speaker 3: American people no, clearly no. It was no equivocation. It
Speaker 3: wasn't well, we'll look at all options, but my I
Speaker 3: currently am disinclined to issue up.
Speaker 7: No.
Speaker 3: It was simply no. There are a couple of lines
Speaker 3: here at seven eighty one uh six one seven ninety
Speaker 3: six one seven nine, ten thirty. Let me go to
Speaker 3: Dot in Medford. Let's see what Dot has to say
Speaker 3: about this. She always is an interesting caller. Dot. Welcome
Speaker 3: next on NIGHTSIG go ahead, well.
Speaker 8: Welcome back, Thank you. Wonderful to hear you have a voice.
Speaker 3: Thank you very much, nice to hear you. Go ahead.
Speaker 8: God, Now we know, of course, we've known right way.
Speaker 8: Biden's a lion fraud period. But now we also know
Speaker 8: who the deplorables are in this country. The Trump voters
Speaker 8: were called deplorable and trash and garbage, but now we
Speaker 8: know it's the Biden family who are the deplorables.
Speaker 3: Well, the question is is he going to give a pardon,
Speaker 3: a blanket pardon to his brother? Is he going to
Speaker 3: give a blanket parden?
Speaker 8: Of course he will, of course he will, because they're
Speaker 8: all in cohotes. How did that garbage head son ever
Speaker 8: pay a million dollars in taxes after he blew the
Speaker 8: millions he got from the Chinese, the Ukraine's. He was
Speaker 8: gonna u be the lawyer and they'd give him a
Speaker 8: million dollars. It was all Paola. And if you read
Speaker 8: the book by Divine about the laptop, you know what
Speaker 8: they are.
Speaker 9: The garbage.
Speaker 8: Yeah, it's terrible. I mean we're happy.
Speaker 3: Well Biden should have been doing was getting help for
Speaker 3: his son if he knew that the sun had had
Speaker 3: had literally just you know something, you.
Speaker 8: Can't get help for them. He was high, he's still
Speaker 8: doing cocaine. He was blowing his nose and solushing his
Speaker 8: nose the other day on the port at the White House.
Speaker 3: He's well but you know what, let's let's assume that
Speaker 3: he's off it because unless we have real proof to
Speaker 3: the contrary, Okay, I mean, I just want to focus
Speaker 3: on President Biden. Does does President Biden issual pardon for himself? Well,
Speaker 3: he better, I don't know, but I mean certainly for
Speaker 3: his brother, other members.
Speaker 8: Of the family, grand you know, his grandchildren all got
Speaker 8: cuts of all that money. There was a lot of
Speaker 8: money pouring in from payoffs.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Well though, well, first of all, I don't know,
Speaker 3: I've seen all of that. But if those kids are
Speaker 3: under age, I don't think there's a.
Speaker 8: Problem that they're not. They're not.
Speaker 3: I think that that Look, he gave what I would
Speaker 3: consider to be a very prophilactic pardon, meaning it goes
Speaker 3: for many years, and it's for everything between.
Speaker 8: It goes from fourteen to twenty four years. Twenty years,
Speaker 8: right yr Yeah, and so the hook Yeah, I.
Speaker 3: Mean there's been questions raised about his brother. I have
Speaker 3: no idea. I've read the stories and all of that
Speaker 3: thing pardon everything party.
Speaker 8: And his wife is probably one of the worst ones.
Speaker 3: No, we have no, we have no knowledge of that
Speaker 3: at all. I've never heard her name.
Speaker 8: Lincoln anything like you have to read. You have to
Speaker 8: read laptop from hell. You have to read it and
Speaker 8: then you'll see, all.
Speaker 3: Right, just the book doesn't make it so DoD. I
Speaker 3: love the fact that that you never equivocate. You are
Speaker 3: always pretty clear once.
Speaker 8: You say I'm old and I'm clear. Welcome back, Dan,
Speaker 8: It's wonderful to have you back.
Speaker 3: Thanks. Nice to be so. It's nice to have someone
Speaker 3: to come back to. Bruce is in Howe, Massachusetts, down
Speaker 3: by the water. Bruce, youan next? uXt you right ahead?
Speaker 7: Hi?
Speaker 10: Dan?
Speaker 9: Yeah, I can almost see the waves from my property,
Speaker 9: but not quite.
Speaker 3: That's okay. You can walk down of the the ocean.
Speaker 9: Are go ahead, you you bitch. I gotta say Dot's
Speaker 9: got a lot of nerve bringing up anything about taxes
Speaker 9: when we have formerly a former president that has been
Speaker 9: convicted of screw in the the city of New York,
Speaker 9: but neither here nor there as far as Biden goes,
Speaker 9: I totally expected him to pardon his son, and I
Speaker 9: wouldn't be surprised to be pardoned his brother. But I
Speaker 9: would ask you, are you willing to devote his won
Speaker 9: or put his one or two or however many lies
Speaker 9: Biden has created or said against the un or tens
Speaker 9: of thousands that Trump has lied about.
Speaker 3: Well, I gotta be honest with you, Bruce. We're probably
Speaker 3: gonna disagree on this, Okay.
Speaker 9: Oh yeah, you could.
Speaker 3: You could put up whatever you considered to be Donald
Speaker 3: Trump's worst lies. And I don't know that there's any
Speaker 3: lie that you could put up which would be as
Speaker 3: bold faced as when President Biden was asked by David Muir,
Speaker 3: will you pardon your son? I mean that was a
Speaker 3: pretty obvious question. What lie would you put up that
Speaker 3: Donald Trump would have that would be as bold faced
Speaker 3: as that?
Speaker 9: I couldn't tell you because I really don't recollect the
Speaker 9: many many lives, so they must they must not.
Speaker 3: Have been as bold I mean, this one's pretty easy
Speaker 3: to you.
Speaker 9: Kind of recollect Trump line.
Speaker 3: You said that there were tens of thousands.
Speaker 9: No, No, I honestly can't.
Speaker 3: So therefore there's nothing so I put on the table, Bruce,
Speaker 3: I'm just putting on the table. What you do. Remember
Speaker 3: the interview that ABC had with and others that that,
Speaker 3: but ABC actually asked the question for the first time
Speaker 3: during the Normandy you know, the June sixth yepcast, and
Speaker 3: there was no there was no equivocation there. It wasn't like, look,
Speaker 3: I'm disinclined at this moment, uh to even anticipate to
Speaker 3: to entertain that question, because at that point, I don't
Speaker 3: think the Sun had been convicted of any thing. I
Speaker 3: think he was still in the trial process. So I
Speaker 3: think that's pretty clear that that's one that that's why
Speaker 3: I wanted to lie.
Speaker 9: Oh it's a boldfaced lie. But my issue is, look
Speaker 9: at the hundreds, and I can't pick a single one.
Speaker 3: But that's the point. That's the point, the hundreds of thousands.
Speaker 3: You can't think of one, right, you can't think of one.
Speaker 3: Think about it. I would you say that.
Speaker 9: I know, I know it sounds stupid, but that's what
Speaker 9: it does.
Speaker 3: Sound stupid. Pro Bruce, I I be told I got
Speaker 3: a break. I should have taken you that quickly. I
Speaker 3: gotta run. Okay, we'll talk again. That's much sixty six
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm not going to short change your call or
Speaker 3: I went a little long, so let me just reset
Speaker 3: real quickly, and we got Jack and Newton on the
Speaker 3: other side. Jack, I will get to you right after
Speaker 3: the news at the bottom of the hour, but I'm
Speaker 3: not going to short change her. I want to know
Speaker 3: what you think of Joe Biden and has this changed
Speaker 3: your opinion of Joe Biden at all? Or conversely, if
Speaker 3: you were the president of the United States and your
Speaker 3: son was facing jail time, maybe not a lot of
Speaker 3: jail time, but we're talking about done conviction and tax convictions.
Speaker 3: And now again, in fairness to Hunter Biden paid that back.
Speaker 3: But if you get caught by the I R S.
Speaker 3: The President today said it was a The reason he's
Speaker 3: doing the pardon is because it was a political prosecution,
Speaker 3: a political prosecution by his own Justice department. I mean
Speaker 3: that doesn't that doesn't ring true. I mean it wasn't
Speaker 3: the Trump Justice Department that was prosecuting Hunter Biden. As
Speaker 3: a matter of fact, there was a period where if
Speaker 3: it hadn't been for a judge in a federal judge
Speaker 3: in New Jersey who insisted, excuse me, in Delaware who
Speaker 3: insisted they had this wrapped up and he was going
Speaker 3: to walk a year and a half ago, everything was
Speaker 3: going to be wrapped up in a nice tight little
Speaker 3: bundle if anything at that point, and that was the
Speaker 3: prosecutor Weiss, who eventually had to go back and bring
Speaker 3: the charges against him. Look, this is the case of
Speaker 3: ultimate white privilege when you really look at it, and
Speaker 3: Joe Biden and Joe Biden, they're thrilled he's not going
Speaker 3: to go to jail. Who wants to see their kid
Speaker 3: go to jail? Obviously, So my question on the other
Speaker 3: side of it, if you were the president and you
Speaker 3: had the authority, what would you do. This also makes it,
Speaker 3: whether you like it or not, a little easier for
Speaker 3: Donald Trump when he's in office to selectively pardon some
Speaker 3: of the January sixth rioters. I might be as opposed
Speaker 3: to this as as well. But again, the Globe, the
Speaker 3: article in the Globe, it's not the Globe, but the
Speaker 3: article in the Globe says the headline, Biden's pardon of
Speaker 3: his son exudes white privilege. Local advocates say, it's what's
Speaker 3: being said six one, seven, two, five, four ten thirty
Speaker 3: six one seven, nine three, one ten thirty. It's the
Speaker 3: story of the day. Did you believe Joe Biden when
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Speaker 3: Play very much, Dan Watkins. This is the statement from
Speaker 3: the President which was released last night today. I signed
Speaker 3: a pardon for my son Hunter. From the day took office.
Speaker 3: I said I would not interfere with the Justice Department's
Speaker 3: decision making, and I kept my word even as they
Speaker 3: watched my son being selectively and unfairly prosecuted by his
Speaker 3: Justice Department. That's right, his Justice Department without aggravating factors
Speaker 3: like use in a crime, multiple purchasers are buying a
Speaker 3: weapon as a straw purchaser. People are almost never brought
Speaker 3: to trial on felony charges solely for how they filled
Speaker 3: out a gun form. Those who were late paying their
Speaker 3: taxes because of serious addictions, but paid them back subsequently
Speaker 3: with interest and penalties, are typically given non criminal resolutions.
Speaker 3: It's clear that Hunter was treated differently. If Hunter's not
Speaker 3: treated that way, The charges in his cases came about
Speaker 3: only after several of my political opponents in Congress instigated
Speaker 3: them to attack me and oppose my election. Then a
Speaker 3: carefully negotiated plead deal agreed to by the Department of
Speaker 3: justice unraveled in a court room with a number of
Speaker 3: my political in front of a federal judge. He meant
Speaker 3: he lacks to mention, fails to mention with a number
Speaker 3: of my political opponents in Congress, taking credit for bringing
Speaker 3: political pressure in the process. Had the plea deal held,
Speaker 3: it would have been a fair reasonable resolution of Hunter's cases.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, No reasonable person looks at the fact of
Speaker 3: Hunter's cases can reach any other conclusion. I'm a reasonable person,
Speaker 3: mister President, and I disagree with you on that one.
Speaker 3: That Hunter was singled out only because he is my son,
Speaker 3: and that's wrong. Hunter got away with a lot more
Speaker 3: than that, and that's why you've given him a pardon.
Speaker 3: From from twenty fourteen to twenty twenty four there's been
Speaker 3: an effort to break Hunter, who's been five and a
Speaker 3: half years sober, even in the face of unrelenting attacks
Speaker 3: and selective prosecution and trying to break Hunter. They tried
Speaker 3: to break me. Ooh, and there's no reasonab believe it
Speaker 3: will stop there. Enough is enough. For My entire career
Speaker 3: followed a simple principle, just tell the American people the truth.
Speaker 3: But I didn't tell the people the truth In June
Speaker 3: or in July, they'll be fair minded. Here's the truth. No,
Speaker 3: the truth was what you said was the truth in June.
Speaker 3: Mister President. I believe in the justice system, but I've
Speaker 3: wrestled with this. I also believe raw politics has affected
Speaker 3: this process and has led to a miscarriage of justice.
Speaker 3: And once I made this decision this weekend at dinner,
Speaker 3: there was no sense of delaying it further, of course not.
Speaker 3: I hope Americans will want to see why father and
Speaker 3: the president would come to this decision. Do you understand it?
Speaker 3: I don't. If he had equivocated and said back in June,
Speaker 3: nothing has changed between now and June, nothing at all.
Speaker 3: The question is will there be other Biden family members.
Speaker 3: Let me go next to Jack and Newton. Jack, I
Speaker 3: appreciate your holding through the news. I didn't want to
Speaker 3: short change you.
Speaker 7: Go right ahead, Hi, Jack, Porter look at as a
Speaker 7: father myself, mister Bider acted like a father. I mean,
Speaker 7: mister Trump would also partner his own son.
Speaker 12: Well.
Speaker 3: Donald Trump has pardened other people's people, including you know,
Speaker 3: relatives of non direct family members, but he never said
Speaker 3: he would not pardon someone and then pardon them. That's
Speaker 3: what I'm talking about Jack.
Speaker 7: Well, it changed this mine. I think for two reasons.
Speaker 7: Well one because well, if they lost the election, I mean,
Speaker 7: if Kamala Harris had won, I don't think he would
Speaker 7: have pardoned him because he could trust that Kamala would
Speaker 7: you know, I don't know it wouldn't.
Speaker 3: I disagree with you. I bet you that when the
Speaker 3: decision was made for him to leave SEP aside in
Speaker 3: July and to basically he and the nomination over or
Speaker 3: as I called it, the immaculate nomination over to Vice
Speaker 3: President Harris, I suspect that there was an understanding, if
Speaker 3: not an agreement, that if she won, Hunter Biden would
Speaker 3: be pardoned by her. That way, he could have kept
Speaker 3: his promise that he would not pardon his son.
Speaker 7: And you know, the shock of mister Trump winning said no,
Speaker 7: they're going to continue harassing him in prison and going
Speaker 7: after my legacy and him.
Speaker 3: And he was prosecuted by the Biden Justice Department. He
Speaker 3: was not prosecuted by the Trump Justice Department.
Speaker 7: I'm just saying that they would keep going after him,
Speaker 7: you know, I'm I mean maybe, And he also felt
Speaker 7: that because you know that he was a former a
Speaker 7: drug addict and alcoholic he could relapse, and I think
Speaker 7: people should be a little nicer out there.
Speaker 3: Well, Jack, how about being nicer to the people in
Speaker 3: prison who are not the son of the President of
Speaker 3: the United States. Isn't this white privilege? Isn't this the
Speaker 3: Globe will tell us tomorrow in one article that that
Speaker 3: people are calling this the ultimate white privilege.
Speaker 7: Well, that's a political correctness. I think that mister Biden
Speaker 7: will will pardon some black people as well, So I
Speaker 7: think that's yeah.
Speaker 3: But how many how many black men? Uh, and maybe
Speaker 3: black women are rotting in prison in this country for
Speaker 3: crime similar to what Hunter Biden now has escaped, you know,
Speaker 3: punishment for how many how many black men and black
Speaker 3: women did Kamala Harris put in prison when she was
Speaker 3: Attorney general in the state of California, Uh, for doing
Speaker 3: exactly what she had done, which was smoking marijuana.
Speaker 7: Well, as you look socialized, but there's a difference in
Speaker 7: black are convicted compared to one. It's something that's obvious.
Speaker 7: Things like the population is black.
Speaker 3: No, no, we know whoa whoa whoa. That's not true.
Speaker 3: That's not true. Come on, that's that that's just not true.
Speaker 3: I mean you there may be an overrepresentation of There
Speaker 3: is an over representation of minorities black and probably Hispanics
Speaker 3: as well in the American justice system, but it's not ninety.
Speaker 7: Eight percently it's probably because they commit more crimes.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but the question, the question is that they You
Speaker 3: may argue that's what the conservatives have said for years,
Speaker 3: But the question is is the prison Is the conviction
Speaker 3: rate equivalent to the population. No, it's higher. And then
Speaker 3: if if the argument is they that that the black
Speaker 3: population commits more crimes, prove it. You got to prove
Speaker 3: that in.
Speaker 7: My In my they commit more crimes. But there's more
Speaker 7: gangs and among black black gangs, and you know the
Speaker 7: Chicano well.
Speaker 3: Most I don't think there's any black members of the mafia.
Speaker 3: The mafia has been been around for a while too.
Speaker 3: I just think that we're going a little as straight
Speaker 3: here Jack, and that that hunter Biden is very lucky
Speaker 3: that his dad was elected president. And again I want
Speaker 3: to emphasize this was the the Biden Justice Department. That
Speaker 3: you know, Joe Biden is not saying this was a
Speaker 3: political prosecution by the Biden Justice Department. That doesn't make
Speaker 3: any sense.
Speaker 7: Well, I think I'll be honest. Maybe your audience doesn't
Speaker 7: like to hear this, but we have a lot more
Speaker 7: serious problems than this. You know, two wars.
Speaker 3: We talked about, we talked, we talked about all of
Speaker 3: those problems, Jack, But should I not? Should I ignore
Speaker 3: this problem tonight, this story tonight?
Speaker 7: No, you can discuss it that. I think we should
Speaker 7: go away and let them relax in Delaware and let
Speaker 7: them move on with their lives and let's start anew
Speaker 7: with a new president and let's move on. That's mine.
Speaker 3: Do you do you think do you think that there's
Speaker 3: there will be more pardons for Biden family members that
Speaker 3: think this is it?
Speaker 7: Yeah, there's other family members that are going to prison.
Speaker 7: What I didn't know there was.
Speaker 3: Well, they're there, they're his brother. There have been allegations.
Speaker 3: No one else has been convicted, but if you fear
Speaker 3: that someone may have ultimately be convicted, including maybe by
Speaker 3: the Trump Justice Department, it would seem to me that
Speaker 3: that once he leaves the White House on January twentieth,
Speaker 3: his power is to pardon the commute sentences goes away.
Speaker 7: Well as possible. You know, it's ironic, is that Lister Trump?
Speaker 5: Uh?
Speaker 7: You know, pardon Charles Kershner.
Speaker 3: That's correct. I meant I just mentioned in Jack, but
Speaker 3: he but no one had ever asked him ahead of that,
Speaker 3: are you going to pardon the father of your son
Speaker 3: in law? And if Donald Trump had said I'm not
Speaker 3: going to pardon Charles ker Kushner, then he'd be in
Speaker 3: the same position as as Biden tonight. I understand as
Speaker 3: a father that's what he might have done. But he
Speaker 3: never should have said back in June when people asked him,
Speaker 3: never should have said no.
Speaker 7: Well, he changed his mind because by Trump one.
Speaker 3: You know, that's why he changed his mind, because Trump won.
Speaker 7: Yeah, if Kamala Harris had won, it would be a
Speaker 7: different story. I think.
Speaker 3: Okay, all right, Jack.
Speaker 7: By the way, it's my birthday today. I know I
Speaker 7: invited you to my birthday party, but I just wanted
Speaker 7: to mention it's my birthday today.
Speaker 3: So today's to day. The party's the fifteenth, correct.
Speaker 7: Right, the party is the fifteenth, But today I can't.
Speaker 3: I got to tell you, Jack, as much as I
Speaker 3: would like to be there and I appreciated the invitation,
Speaker 3: I was going to give you a call. I've got
Speaker 3: a conflict that day and I can't attend. But if
Speaker 3: today's your actual birthday. Happy birthday, Jacket. A round of
Speaker 3: applause for Jack. It's not every day people turn thirty nine, Jack,
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 7: That's right, I'm still thirty nine.
Speaker 3: Happy Happy birthday, Jack.
Speaker 7: Okay, thank you, so have a great night.
Speaker 3: All right, go and take a quick break. Got some
Speaker 3: open lines here which stuns me. Maybe everybody agrees that
Speaker 3: what Joe Biden did was the proper thing. Six one seven, two, five,
Speaker 3: four ten thirty six one seven nine three one ten thirty.
Speaker 3: I think this is a really interesting topic, and I
Speaker 3: think that this does more damage to the Democratic brand
Speaker 3: for this to go down this way. If Joe Biden
Speaker 3: had not said anything and then turned around and in
Speaker 3: early December issued a pardon, I just wonder if there's
Speaker 3: going to be other partons. I I had recommended, you know,
Speaker 3: a month ago, that maybe Donald Trump, when he met
Speaker 3: with Joe Biden at the White House, that Donald Trump
Speaker 3: might have said to him and given him some insurance. Look,
Speaker 3: I will take that burden as a as an olive branch.
Speaker 3: I will take that burden, and I one of my
Speaker 3: first acts will be to pardon your son. I think
Speaker 3: that would have been a smart political move for Donald Trump.
Speaker 3: Maybe disagree six one seven, two, five, four ten thirty
Speaker 3: six one seven, nine three one ten thirty. I'm trying
Speaker 3: to make you think. That's all. I'm trying to make
Speaker 3: you think. Back on night Side after this, Now.
Speaker 1: Back to Dan Ray live from the Window World Nightside
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Speaker 3: All right, I'll go to Ron and Weymouth. Ron, you
Speaker 3: were next on Nightside. Your thoughts on the pardon that
Speaker 3: President Biden has extended for his son.
Speaker 13: I will very quickly here, but before that, I will
Speaker 13: not invite you to a birthday party, but I will
Speaker 13: say Merry Christmas. If I don't hear from you again, well.
Speaker 3: Merry Christmas to you. That's what I celebrate. So I
Speaker 3: always like a specific of greed. And go ahead ahead, Ron.
Speaker 13: Now you remember President Ford coming into office pidon Nixon.
Speaker 13: He didn't change his mind. It's a very different scenario
Speaker 13: would republic and some Democrats, by the way, and the
Speaker 13: Democrats use their old cuche, their old mechanism of operation,
Speaker 13: which was give the people, say what the people want
Speaker 13: when you see what they need or what they want,
Speaker 13: and what they wanted to, you know, was to say that, no,
Speaker 13: I'm not going to pardon my son. But then when
Speaker 13: they forget about it later on, Oh, they don't forget
Speaker 13: about it. Sure they will not this time around, they didn't.
Speaker 13: And then he'll change his mind and say, oh, I
Speaker 13: decided to pardon my son Hunter. It doesn't work anymore, Dan,
Speaker 13: or anybody out there listening. It doesn't work.
Speaker 3: By the way, just a quick comment, if you will.
Speaker 3: I voted for Jimmy Carter in nineteen seventy six as
Speaker 3: a young lawyer because I felt that Gerald Ford had
Speaker 3: made a mistake in pardoning Richard Nixon. Subsequently, I think
Speaker 3: Ford did the right thing because it was it healed
Speaker 3: a nation's wound and people were able to pick up
Speaker 3: and move on past the Nixton administration. I think Ford
Speaker 3: did the right thing. In retrospect that I was wrong,
Speaker 3: although I probably would have voted for Jimmy Carter anyway
Speaker 3: because I like Carter. But and you can question my
Speaker 3: judgment on that as well. But however, just in the
Speaker 3: spirit of full disclosure, I tell you that, but this
Speaker 3: is a different This does nothing to heal a wound.
Speaker 3: This rips the wound open, because what it says is
Speaker 3: this is a you know, a dual class of justice
Speaker 3: in this country if you're a connected person, which we've
Speaker 3: known all along, but it's never been more obvious. And
Speaker 3: then you have a president who lied in June. And
Speaker 3: don't tell me the president changed his mind, because I
Speaker 3: believe that he lied in June.
Speaker 13: Right, And your idea of when you put this information
Speaker 13: out for anybody to answer on, and I believe you
Speaker 13: said what a president Trump after coming into office would
Speaker 13: be a good thing. You didn't say you should do it,
Speaker 13: but you asked the public on the radio tonight. Would
Speaker 13: would that be a good idea? I don't think there'd
Speaker 13: be a real good idea. It would heal some factions
Speaker 13: of Democrats that did not go to Trump, but Trump
Speaker 13: won in the lands. What the heck does he have
Speaker 13: to heal anything for? I think would hurt Trump more
Speaker 13: than help him. What does anybody else think about out today?
Speaker 9: I'll be listening to it all right, Thanks appreciate it.
Speaker 3: It's always great call. Thank you much quickly to the point,
Speaker 3: that's what I appreciate. Let me go next to We're
Speaker 3: going to go next to Ken in Waltham.
Speaker 7: Ken.
Speaker 3: You were next on Nisager.
Speaker 12: Right ahead, h Danieah, I thought it was interesting when
Speaker 12: you just mentioned that, you know, Trump could maybe help
Speaker 12: unite the country by partnering Hunter Biden, because I think
Speaker 12: he sort of just did the opposite by nominating uh
Speaker 12: Caspitel as attorney General, who's really kind of verbally made
Speaker 12: it his mission to go after the Bidens no matter what.
Speaker 3: And rather you know, well, I don't necessarily think that
Speaker 3: cash Patel is going to go after the Bidens. I
Speaker 3: think that there may be others that that he might
Speaker 3: want to go after. But well, well let me ask
Speaker 3: you this Cash Patel, I guess has been will be
Speaker 3: nominated or has been nominated. Uh, he has to get
Speaker 3: sent in approval to hit the FBI. Who else would
Speaker 3: you expect Donald Trump to nominate to? I mean, this
Speaker 3: is a Trump administration. He won the election. I mean,
Speaker 3: you know, you may be disappointed in the nomination of Patel,
Speaker 3: but who would you expect him to nominate. Would you
Speaker 3: expect him to nominate more? Heally for attorney for the
Speaker 3: head of the FBI?
Speaker 13: Uh?
Speaker 12: John you maybe?
Speaker 3: I like h I think John you would have been
Speaker 3: a great guy. And John is a smart guy. And
Speaker 3: John doesn't have some of the bad I get that
Speaker 3: some of these folks have, but again it doesn't I
Speaker 3: guess what I'm saying is it just doesn't surprise me.
Speaker 3: That's all. It's like all.
Speaker 12: My only point is, I mean Patel has made remarks,
Speaker 12: sure he has, he is like really going after the Bidens,
Speaker 12: for anyone who helped Joe Biden quote steal the election.
Speaker 12: I mean it's possible that Biden over the weekend was saying,
Speaker 12: you know, he is going to go after you know, me,
Speaker 12: my family, my son to any extent.
Speaker 3: And so I'm gonna so you're you're gonna You're gonna basically,
Speaker 3: let let Joe Biden off. Let me ask you, do
Speaker 3: you think when this an honest question, I know you're
Speaker 3: gonna give me an honest answer. Do you think when
Speaker 3: Joe Biden was asked that question by David Muir in
Speaker 3: Normandy back in June, and Joe Biden said, nope, I'm
Speaker 3: not going to give him a pardon not. Do you
Speaker 3: think Joe Biden didn't know then that his intention was
Speaker 3: to pardon his son. Do you really do you really
Speaker 3: think he changed his mind? I'll take your answer to
Speaker 3: it's an honest answer.
Speaker 12: Yeah, yeah, yeah, No, I I think that. I mean,
Speaker 12: I think if Harris had been elected, he maybe would
Speaker 12: not have pardoned that son.
Speaker 3: Well, sure, because then it's taken care of. But what
Speaker 3: I'm saying is he had to know why that the
Speaker 3: possibility existed. Maybe it was of course he was the
Speaker 3: candidate at the time, and when he answered that question.
Speaker 3: I mean, look, Republicans and Democrats. Oftentimes Republicans do win elections.
Speaker 3: So I mean he asked him, would you pardon your son?
Speaker 12: So let me let me say no, Dan, Yeah, I'm
Speaker 12: what I'm trying to say is I think at that
Speaker 12: time he thought there were instances where he wouldn't pardon
Speaker 12: this son. He could think of instances when he would.
Speaker 3: Did you give a wide break a big break here?
Speaker 12: But I'm saying that he was not being truthful he
Speaker 12: said I would not pardon my son. I think their
Speaker 12: toothflow answer is there are instances.
Speaker 3: When I would.
Speaker 12: There are instances when I would.
Speaker 3: Okay, fair enough, all right, but I will take I
Speaker 3: will take that. Hey, Ken, I hate to do this year,
Speaker 3: but I'm way past my break here and I get it,
Speaker 3: and I get I'm good thing.
Speaker 12: I think I think the cast of the Tell thing
Speaker 12: maybe twenty years from now, you'll say, you know, Biden
Speaker 12: did the right thing, but what happened, No.
Speaker 3: I don't think so. I would have been much happier
Speaker 3: if Donald Trump had said, hey, you know what I'm
Speaker 3: gonna you know, do the right thing for you, Joe Biden.
Speaker 3: It would have been a would have been a way
Speaker 3: to kind of bring the country. I don't think this
Speaker 3: helps to bring.
Speaker 12: But again, nominating for telism the way to do that.
Speaker 3: So anyway, see that's who he's gonna that's who he's
Speaker 3: going to nominate. That's who guys know who presidents nominate
Speaker 3: the guy people who are going to be loyal. But whatever,
Speaker 3: let's you know, and again, if Petel goes overboard, we'll
Speaker 3: go right after. Trust me on that.
Speaker 12: Okay, I do, Dan, I'm a big fan. Thank you
Speaker 12: very much.
Speaker 3: Have a great night. Here comes the news at eleven
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