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Speaker 2: Hey, everybody, welcome, a little uh little problem here loading

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up our theme music this morning. Welcome. This is Matt

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Connorton Unleashed and we are live from the studios of

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w m n H ninety five point three FM, Inglorious, Manchester,

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At the news table, and we opened with a couple

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of great new tracks, My Kind of Animal, that's the

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world radio premiere from Down Boys, and of course uh oh,

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and of course we just played a fight back from

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our friend Dave Strong from Boston, and I just heard

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he's waiting. I think we have. So we've got a

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anything in virtual DJ. That's why you have not heard

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Today is Saturday, June seven, twenty twenty five. So what

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we're gonna do right now is we're gonna play a

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before that the Stimulators. I've learned a lot about Harley

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Flanagan in the last couple of days. But let's give

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this a spin. This is called hard Times, and then

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Speaker 3: It's a lot of times coming to you on the

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rock of Bobs for die, O can nothing. I can

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figure it out. Why don't know? Dind down.

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that's run up, not gonna go down. I'm di b

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die Sames, I'm being pot into the road, wade. Let

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the adrenaline, go and check your pulse, you might be dead.

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As I like to say, let's see so I see him.

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we can hear him. Harley Flanagin, Are you there, sir?

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to speak with you because so I've always been aware

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of you and certainly aware of the Cromaggs. I did

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on Harley Flanagan and you have had had quite a life.

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too for Wired for Chaos. I am dying to see that.

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That looks that looks fascinating. But that's not out yet. Correct?

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Is it coming out soon?

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to be in theaters starting June fifteenth. They are having

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and A. And it's also going to be showing in

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flying all over the place doing like Q and as

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Speaker 2: Oh fantastic.

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particularly people who are the subjects of documentary films. They'll

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streaming service like Netflix or something like that. I don't know.

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of someone who really overcame a lot your childhood. From

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that I listened to and watched and read, pretty uh,

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pretty hellish existence compared to what most people are used

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creating art from trauma.

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but yeah, you know it, I definitely have had an

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interesting journey obviously, or they would not have made a film.

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best life now. Man. You know, I'm just lucky I

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out the other side more or less in one piece.

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of the film this day. Like I'm putting down the

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eggs and I'm going to A Q and A and

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learning about it jiu jitsu and the role that that

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you feel that that has helped you and really shaped you.

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to take advantage of it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 8: And you know, I mean I have you know, I've

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had my share of excuse me, I've had my share

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of fights in my life. And I had never seen

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anything like like an arm bar or any of these techniques.

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I was just like, what is he doing? You know

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all these you know, different joint locks and so on

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and so forth, and I was just like, I got

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to learn this stuff, man, this is really fascinating, and

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that you know, that was a long time ago. I

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still trained pretty uh religiously. Man. I'm at the academy

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like at least a couple of times a week, sometimes

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three four times a week when I'm not on tour.

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Speaker 2: Wow.

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Speaker 8: I you know, I exercised every day, and you know,

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jiu jitsu really keeps me together, keeps my head on straight,

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gives me a place to, you know, let the steam

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off and get normal.

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Speaker 2: Sure. Sure, when you first got into it, did you know?

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I mean, obviously you had an interest, you know, and

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you talked about, you know, watching UFC on I remember

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those days, of course Blockbuster VHS, renting a Blockbuster.

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Speaker 8: But I know it's like it said, young people are

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gonna be like, what are they talking about?

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Speaker 2: I know it seems like another lifetime, doesn't it.

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Speaker 8: But I know it doesn't. It doesn't feel like that

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long ago. But at the same time, it's like when

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the hell was that?

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Speaker 2: I know it's wild, But when you first got into it,

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when you first started training, were you surprised at how

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it helped you? Obviously, at what helpful physically and you

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learn how to defend yourself and all this. There's those

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immediate practical applications that are obvious, But were you surprised

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at how it also helped you mentally? And really kind of,

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you know, this is kind of the way I think

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of it. You're kind of organizing your brain in a

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way that that's positive and helpful and obviously too, you know,

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you get those endorphins going and everything, and that helps

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you emotionally. And were you surprised by those other ways

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that it helped you aside from just the obvious, or

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did you kind of think that might happen.

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Speaker 8: I can't say I was surprised, but it was not

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the reason I started training. Yeah, I mean, I started

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training because I was always you know, I've been a

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fighter my whole life. You know, I've been fighting, you know,

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on the streets and you know since I was a kid,

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and I just wanted to learn something new, and I

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fell in love with it. And you know, honestly, I

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started because of the fighting aspects of it, but I

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stayed with it all these years because of the love.

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You know, I fell in love not just with the art,

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but the community. You know, I've made some of the

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best friends of my life through jiu jitsu. I think

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it attracts, you know, intelligent people you know, people you

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think that combat athletes are just you know, fighters are

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like knuckleheads and you know, not too smart. They just

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know how to smash each other or whatever. But I'll

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tell you, man, jiu jitsu is really technical, and it's

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really it's like playing chess, like physical chess. Sure who

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stick with it and gravitate towards it or you know,

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really really sharp man. And it changed my life for

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the better in so many ways. Like I literally know,

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if it was only about fighting or only about the

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combat or the violence or whatever, there's no way I'd

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still be doing it this many years later, you know,

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I mean started in ninety six. Man, it's you know, yeah, five,

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I'm still rolling, still loving it, and it's my community.

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It's where I that's where I go, you know, I

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really don't do much else when I'm not on tour. Yeah,

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you know, that's that's my social life, that's my that's

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where my friends are.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 8: And I'm just really lucky that that this came to.

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Speaker 2: Me, you know, absolutely, thank God for you. Yeah, no kidding, huh.

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And I'm glad you said what you said too about

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you know, intelligent people. This is something that they do

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because You're right, there is a misconception, and I'm sure

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you run into it. I'm sure you run into it constantly. Still,

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you know that that people who do this are just

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you know, muscle heads who want to smash each other,

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and they don't understand that. No, it is much deeper

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than that, and it is complicated.

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Speaker 1: To be fair.

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Speaker 8: In the old days, you know, it was a little different.

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You know, when I first started training, it wasn't really

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as family friendly, and there were not many women involved

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in the sport, you know, those early days. The people

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who got into it were pretty much people who either

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you know, we were bouncers, or people who were pursuing

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mma as a career, or people who just liked to fight.

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So it did initially attract a lot of knuckleheads, sure,

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but they get weeded out pretty quick because you really

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can't be in that world too long because sooner or

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later you're going to meet somebody that's going to submit you,

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and you're gonna learn some humility, gonna leave, you know,

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if you can't, if you can't handle defeat with grace,

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you're not gonna last. Yeah, you know, because people people

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who can't handle losing, and and and and still respecting

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your opponent, shaking their hand, giving them a hug. If

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you can't handle that, you're never gonna last in this sport,

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because you know you have to. I mean, you do

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need a certain amount of pride. You do need to

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have a certain amount of you know, belief in yourself,

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and you have to you know, any combat situation you

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have to go in like, yeah, I'm gonna you up.

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But at the same time, you know.

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Speaker 2: Harley hardly not not to interrupt, but I just have

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to remind you we are on FM radio.

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Speaker 8: So I'm sorry. I totally you know, I've been doing

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some podcasts and videos the last few days. I'm lost.

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I forget no, I hope you can bleed out.

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Speaker 2: No worries, my friend, We're we're, we're. That's okay. We're

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on an eight second delay so I was able to

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catch it, so no big deal. Don't don't even swid it.

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Don't even switer.

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Speaker 8: That's my natural New York just slips out. I mean,

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it's one of the Yeah, it was not easy. When

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I was teaching the kids class.

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Speaker 2: I can imagine no, no, no, that's cold. And the

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parents did too, so excellent. Well that's what counts. That's

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what counts. Absolutely, that must be possible.

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Speaker 8: Little parents how to be you know, tough. So I

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think your parents appreciated it.

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Speaker 2: Well, that must be so rewarding too, to be able

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to teach young people who are getting into it. Yeah,

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that must be so constructor.

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Speaker 8: And I was running that program for like ten years,

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but I had to stop working at the Academy because

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I started touring so much again. Yeah, you know, when

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my kids were young, younger, I took a break from

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touring for a while and I was really just focusing

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on being dad. And you know, I it was awesome.

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It was some of the best some of the best

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experiences and times of my life were just being dad.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 8: But you know, once they got a little older, and

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you know, it's time for me to get back to work.

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I mean, I I music is my life. It always

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has been. Martial arts is part of my life. But

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you know, I make a living playing music, and you know,

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it pays me better than you know, teaching jiu jitsu.

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And if I had to pick one or the other,

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I don't know if I really could, because I you know,

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it's they're both really a part of who I am.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, so speak of music. So you got into I

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mean you were you were a teenager right when you

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started playing playing bass. I'm a bass player, by the way,

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so I'm I'm particularly uh interested in this, But I mean,

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how old were you when you started playing? And you're

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pretty young, right.

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Speaker 8: Well I was. I did my first tour in a

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punk rock band ten Oh my god.

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Speaker 2: Wow.

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Speaker 8: I put out on my first record when I was twelve,

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and that was a pretty legendary forty five called loud

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Fast Rules. My old band, the Stimulators, and we were,

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you know, we were a punk band, but we were

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kind of the forerunners of what would become the New

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York hardcore scene. Yeah, like all the basically we you know,

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we were more of a punk band, like I say,

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but all of our fans, the kids that were at

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our shows were pretty much the first generation of New

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York hardcore bands. Okay, you know, an Agnostic Front was

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in our audience cause for Alarm, the Mob, Urban Waste,

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Like pretty much the entire first generation of New York

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hardcore bands came out of our audience.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 8: So although we were not a hardcore band, we were

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definitely very influential. You know, we really kind of created

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a space for those kids because well, I think also

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a lot of it had to do with the fact

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that I was so young, so you know, that attracted

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younger kids as opposed to like all the throwback punk

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rockers that had been hanging out at Max's and CBS,

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who for the most part were all, you know, messed

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up on drugs. A lot of them were junkies, and

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you know, it was a pretty it was a pretty

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grimy scene, you know. I mean, the majority of the

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people that I knew when I was a kid, you know,

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they were in their early twenties and stuff. And many

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of the punk rockers back then, we're you know, working

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in the sex shows, you know, in Times Square, you know,

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screwing on stage and stuff for their drug money. And

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a lot of the chicks were prostitutes and you know

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or you know, strippers that stripping was nothing. You know,

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most of them literally were prostitutes and doing live sex

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shows to support their drug habits. And these were the

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people I hung out with when I was twelve, you know.

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So you know, really there's it's no wonder that by

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the time I was, you know, fifteen, I was already

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living on the streets and you know, shooting meth and

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smoking PCP and wow, you name it. Yeah, I definitely

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didn't have a normal upbringing. And you know when when

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everybody around you is that when all the adults are

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pretty much well not all, but like ninety eight percent

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of them are a mess.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, learn you know exactly exactly. I'm curious to being

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so young in the punk scene. Were were you easily

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accepted or was there any resistance to that? Did some

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people look at you like, you know, who's this kid?

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Speaker 8: He's because everybody who's this kid? But he was always

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I mean, look, my aunt was in the Stimulators that

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band formed before I came to New York. I was

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in Europe at the time. I was actually in England

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when they were playing. I was going to shows in England.

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I was going to punk shows there. I meant to

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like the one hundred Club and all those legendary places

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back then. Yeah, when I was ten, you know, so,

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but you know, I mean, I get yeah, I definitely

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was a standout character on the scene because everybody else

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was an adult more or less. I mean, you had

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your you know, eighteen nineteen twenty year old you know,

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mostly young chicks, but you know, I was definitely uh,

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but they accepted me. I mean, how do you not

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accept it? Was at the show. I mean, you know

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I was just walking around bumming quarters and playing timball.

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Speaker 2: Well also too, I mean having a family member and

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that was it your aunt who was in the band

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with you?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: And yeah, no, go ahead, no, So is is that?

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How is that how you became a member of the band,

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Because I just wonder, like, if you didn't have a

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family member in the band, would people have been more

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would the other members have been more resistant to bringing

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you in because you were so young?

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Speaker 8: Yeah? Possibly, But you know what it was, it was

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really uh circumstantial like they had they were gigging band. Yeah,

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they had their drummer, Bob Weier. They replaced him with

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Johnny Blitz from the Dead Boys. Okay, so he was

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playing right before me. And you know, I had been

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going to their show. I'd seen them live a bunch

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of times, and I used to I actually would get

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up on stage with them once in a while and

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play a song or two. And you know, I used

476
00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:11,440
to go to their practices. I knew their material. And

477
00:29:11,599 --> 00:29:15,279
so what happened was Johnny Blitz bailed out on them.

478
00:29:15,319 --> 00:29:18,480
One time, the day of a show that I don't

479
00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:20,000
know if he was like, you know, he might have

480
00:29:20,079 --> 00:29:23,240
been dope, sick or something, I don't know, but he

481
00:29:23,599 --> 00:29:25,920
did not show up and they couldn't find them, and

482
00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:27,640
they went to his house looking for him, and he

483
00:29:27,759 --> 00:29:31,079
was not answering his door and this and so andis

484
00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:35,240
was like, guess what, Harley, You're playing drum tonight. And

485
00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:38,440
I was like, all right, you know, And I remember

486
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:42,960
the show actually was in Philadelphia, the first show I

487
00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:46,480
did with them, and I remember literally sitting in the

488
00:29:46,559 --> 00:29:50,200
back of the band with a phone book and drumsticks,

489
00:29:50,319 --> 00:29:53,039
like playing the whole way up, just trying to, you know,

490
00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:58,519
remember all the parts to the songs. And that was it, man,

491
00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:04,640
that first show. The the audience was so receptive and excited,

492
00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:07,240
and you know they I think it was really we

493
00:30:07,359 --> 00:30:09,559
were probably one of the first New York punk bands

494
00:30:09,599 --> 00:30:12,759
to ever make it to you know, North Carolina and

495
00:30:12,839 --> 00:30:15,680
South Carolina and stuff like that, so they were super

496
00:30:15,759 --> 00:30:18,839
pumped and and people were blown away. I mean, we

497
00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:21,359
had two chicks in the band and a little kid

498
00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:23,680
in this crazy little day dude on vocals. We were

499
00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:28,720
definitely you definitely interesting, you know, there was nothing else

500
00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:29,960
like hers, that's for damn sure.

501
00:30:30,279 --> 00:30:34,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's kind of how it.

502
00:30:34,519 --> 00:30:38,000
Speaker 8: Started for me. And I mean I had already, I

503
00:30:38,039 --> 00:30:41,000
had been in a band already, I was already out

504
00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:44,400
doing stuff. I'd been on a tour already, and yeah,

505
00:30:45,599 --> 00:30:47,559
I mean this has been my whole life, dude. I've

506
00:30:47,599 --> 00:30:50,680
been literally playing music and going to show since before

507
00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:53,640
I can remember. I mean my mom was a hippie

508
00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:56,519
and used to bring me to concerts and clubs and

509
00:30:58,359 --> 00:31:02,200
you know, before I remember. Yeah, you know, if you

510
00:31:02,279 --> 00:31:05,119
see photos of like Jefferson Airplane and there's like all,

511
00:31:05,559 --> 00:31:07,799
you know, naked children running around in front of State,

512
00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:13,759
I was one of them. Yeah. Yeah, there was no

513
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:17,759
time before music in my life.

514
00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:22,720
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah. And then so so then was there anything

515
00:31:22,799 --> 00:31:26,559
between the Stimulators and the Cromags or was the Chromags

516
00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:27,920
the next band for you?

517
00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:33,160
Speaker 8: I was in a band called Mode of Ignorance, Okay,

518
00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:35,640
and I was also a founding member of the band

519
00:31:35,759 --> 00:31:38,240
Murphy's Law. I actually came up with the name of

520
00:31:38,319 --> 00:31:41,839
that band. But you know, I think the most significant

521
00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:45,960
thing that I've done musically has been the Chromags. You know,

522
00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:51,480
We've we've been going now strong since our first record

523
00:31:51,559 --> 00:31:54,000
came out in eighty six. The first recordings that we

524
00:31:54,079 --> 00:31:55,960
did came out, we put them out in like eighty

525
00:31:56,039 --> 00:31:59,720
four on cassette, I believe it or not. Yeah, and

526
00:32:01,079 --> 00:32:03,519
we've been you know, I've been active ever since, you know,

527
00:32:03,759 --> 00:32:08,079
so yeah, pretty long run. Yeah, things are going well.

528
00:32:08,079 --> 00:32:11,000
I mean we're still out playing out playing festivals and

529
00:32:11,319 --> 00:32:13,359
you know, life is good.

530
00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:13,640
Speaker 7: Man.

531
00:32:13,759 --> 00:32:17,440
Speaker 8: You know, most bands don't last you know, five minutes

532
00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:21,279
forget about plus years.

533
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:24,400
Speaker 2: No, it is remarkable. I mean do you feel the

534
00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:27,880
weight of that legacy? I mean, it's it's because you

535
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:32,000
you were at the forefront of so much. Uh, especially

536
00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:34,440
you know, the way the way you started out in

537
00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:37,359
New York and everything and the scene. I mean do

538
00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:40,279
you feel like, like, like, do people talk to you

539
00:32:40,359 --> 00:32:42,920
and they tell you, oh man, You're like, like, obviously

540
00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:44,799
you get a lot of credit for what you've done.

541
00:32:45,319 --> 00:32:47,519
I mean, is that ever overwhelming to you? Do you

542
00:32:47,599 --> 00:32:51,319
feel like a certain level of responsibility that that like

543
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:54,200
you have to continue to to carry that flag, carry

544
00:32:54,279 --> 00:32:57,400
that banner and and and really represent or or are

545
00:32:57,440 --> 00:32:59,440
you just are you comfortable with it all?

546
00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:06,119
Speaker 8: Uh? That's a good question. You know, it's a little

547
00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:09,039
bit of both. I guess. Yeah, I mean, I I

548
00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:14,039
I'm comfortable with it because I have never known anything else. Yeah,

549
00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:18,160
you know, I've been on stage since I was, you know,

550
00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:21,119
a kid, So you know, I mean people have been

551
00:33:22,119 --> 00:33:24,559
taking pictures of me since I was a kid. You know,

552
00:33:24,799 --> 00:33:31,000
people I've always uh treated me a little different, you know. Sure,

553
00:33:33,079 --> 00:33:38,920
but then again, you know, I this is the weird part. Okay. Like,

554
00:33:39,319 --> 00:33:41,759
so I grew up in music and playing and everything,

555
00:33:41,799 --> 00:33:44,880
but I also lived in like a really bad neighborhood.

556
00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:47,319
You know, Lower East Side was dangerous. It was pretty

557
00:33:47,359 --> 00:33:49,799
scary back then, a lot of gangs, a lot of drugs,

558
00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:53,200
and so I like my day life was like I

559
00:33:53,359 --> 00:33:56,599
was getting pretty much picked on, you know, beat up

560
00:33:56,880 --> 00:34:01,039
or jumped or whatever, you know, messed with and life

561
00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:04,160
kind of sucked. Yeah, and then you know, the sun

562
00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:06,960
goes down and I'm at the clubs and I'm like

563
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:12,119
a happening almost celebrity type. So it was like definitely

564
00:34:12,199 --> 00:34:17,519
a weird you know mix of you know, elements in

565
00:34:17,599 --> 00:34:23,320
my life. But I'm just lucky I had the music

566
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:26,199
because you know, I fell into drugs pretty hard early.

567
00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:28,400
I go into a lot of crime. I you know,

568
00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:30,920
I was homeless for a lot of years. I moved

569
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:35,639
out of my moms when I was like fifteen, fourteen fifteen,

570
00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:38,639
and yeah, I want hiking out to the West Coast,

571
00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:40,880
and I was, you know, living in a lot of squats.

572
00:34:41,079 --> 00:34:43,519
I lived in, you know, abandoned I lived in an

573
00:34:43,519 --> 00:34:45,960
abandoned brewery. I was actually living in like in an

574
00:34:46,079 --> 00:34:48,960
air vent for a while in it. And you know,

575
00:34:49,079 --> 00:34:51,480
you would just find someplace that you could be safe,

576
00:34:51,599 --> 00:34:53,400
you know, someplace where you weren't going to get you know,

577
00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:58,800
accosted or you know violated, you know, right in the night.

578
00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:01,360
You know, you'd find someplace where you can sleep. You

579
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:04,599
have groups of friends that you know, you kind of

580
00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:09,679
where each other's support system. You know. Yeah, I really was,

581
00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:13,119
you know, shoplifting to eat. And you know, I went

582
00:35:13,199 --> 00:35:14,679
through a period where I was, you know a bit

583
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:18,519
of a criminal, you know, I mean I was robbing people.

584
00:35:18,679 --> 00:35:21,760
You know, I've done some things that are quite regrettable.

585
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:25,239
But you know, when you're on the street and you're

586
00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:29,760
a kid, and you know, you you sometimes forced into

587
00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:33,719
situations that are not just awkward, but you know, sometimes

588
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:36,840
you have to do things that you might not normally

589
00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:39,280
do if you were living a different life.

590
00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:43,039
Speaker 2: You know, right right. One of the interviews that I watched,

591
00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:46,159
I'd like to give credit to whoever it was you

592
00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:48,119
were talking to, but now I can't remember because I

593
00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:50,199
watched several of them, but you were talking about this

594
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:53,400
about how no matter how bad things get, you know,

595
00:35:53,599 --> 00:35:57,880
sometimes all it takes is one good thing to just

596
00:35:58,039 --> 00:36:01,000
kind of turn everything around for you, and then it

597
00:36:01,079 --> 00:36:04,719
makes everything that happened up to that point suddenly is

598
00:36:05,039 --> 00:36:07,199
not a big deal because you have that triumph of

599
00:36:07,519 --> 00:36:10,519
overcoming it all. And I've just found that really inspiring

600
00:36:10,559 --> 00:36:12,320
because it is true. You know, we've we've all been

601
00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:15,440
through those times where we're at our absolute lowest point

602
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:18,440
and then, uh, you know, and then sometimes all it

603
00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:21,239
takes is one good thing, whether it's luck or whatever

604
00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:24,760
it is that they can really turn everything around for you.

605
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:28,119
And that's why I find your story very inspiring.

606
00:36:31,079 --> 00:36:34,360
Speaker 8: You know what I tell people all the time, You know,

607
00:36:34,559 --> 00:36:37,719
there was a period well, I mean there's been many

608
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:40,639
times in my life where I actually probably should have

609
00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:46,519
given up or you know, but I just you know,

610
00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:51,880
many times I've felt that way. But you you know,

611
00:36:52,199 --> 00:36:55,880
your lungs are still going to fill with air. You're

612
00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:58,360
you know, you're still going to be sitting there. You know,

613
00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:01,639
you can mentally want to give up, but your body's

614
00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:05,239
still sitting there. And then okay, I give up. Okay,

615
00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:09,559
now what Okay? Now I need to eat, Now I

616
00:37:09,679 --> 00:37:13,320
need to sleep. Okay. So actually I don't really have

617
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:17,840
the opera the choice of giving up. I'm just you know, emotionally,

618
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:19,920
I feel like I'm giving up, but I'm still alive

619
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:23,199
and I still have to exist and fight through this,

620
00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:27,039
you know, and yeah, you know I I And what

621
00:37:27,119 --> 00:37:29,280
I tell people is, you know, like when my my

622
00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:34,519
life absolutely took a dive, like I, you know, I

623
00:37:35,599 --> 00:37:38,119
in twenty twelve, I was really I hit a wall.

624
00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:41,079
I like the mother and my kids split on me

625
00:37:41,119 --> 00:37:45,719
and took my kids. I got assaulted going through a

626
00:37:46,079 --> 00:37:48,800
promags show that I wasn't playing. It was like a

627
00:37:49,119 --> 00:37:52,840
fraudulent promags and like I got assaulted by like a

628
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:55,519
bunch of gang members and wow up in the hospital

629
00:37:55,559 --> 00:37:58,760
and rikers. Yeah, I put three dudes. I got jumped

630
00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:02,480
by like about six seven dudes. I got stabbed. I

631
00:38:02,559 --> 00:38:06,119
got like forty something stitches, but I put three of

632
00:38:06,159 --> 00:38:08,400
them in the hospital. They all walked away knowing that

633
00:38:08,519 --> 00:38:11,679
I'm definitely not someone to play with, right, you know,

634
00:38:12,599 --> 00:38:16,840
part of my reputation, Like, you know, my reputation increased

635
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:19,079
that night because all these guys thought they were tough,

636
00:38:19,159 --> 00:38:24,320
and they realized you don't corner a wild animal. You

637
00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:29,440
just don't. Yeah, and you know, so my life really

638
00:38:29,519 --> 00:38:31,280
took a turn for the worst. I was sitting in

639
00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:34,360
Riker's ould, like, oh my god, my you know, the

640
00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:36,440
mother and my kids. I've been with her fourteen years.

641
00:38:36,519 --> 00:38:38,760
She just like gripped my heart out and threw it

642
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:40,440
in the gutter, and she took my kids from me.

643
00:38:40,559 --> 00:38:42,400
The only good thing that I feel like I had

644
00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:45,320
ever really achieved was being you know, father to them.

645
00:38:45,639 --> 00:38:47,559
The music and all that other stuff didn't matter to

646
00:38:47,639 --> 00:38:53,320
me as much as you know, fixing my own childhood

647
00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:58,280
through being their father. You know, I was doing all

648
00:38:58,360 --> 00:38:59,880
the things that I didn't get to do. I was,

649
00:39:00,039 --> 00:39:03,480
you know, going to playgrounds and going to museums and

650
00:39:03,559 --> 00:39:05,280
doing all the things that I should have been doing

651
00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:07,639
when I was a kid but wasn't right. You know,

652
00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:09,920
I was finally lived that and then all of a

653
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:15,119
sudden everything just got crushed and I really could have

654
00:39:15,199 --> 00:39:18,199
given up. You know, I was in the newspapers not

655
00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:20,199
on the news. I was you know, I was in

656
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:24,760
cab TV. You know, punk rockers, stabs, bl blah lah lah.

657
00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:26,960
You know, it was like this big, big drama.

658
00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:28,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, and.

659
00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:33,400
Speaker 8: You know, fast forward and uh, I'm in the best

660
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:35,320
place I've ever been in in my life. You know,

661
00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:38,039
if you would have told me that, then I would

662
00:39:38,079 --> 00:39:39,960
have said, you know, if if you would have told

663
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:42,360
me I was going to go through the next however

664
00:39:42,519 --> 00:39:45,800
many years, you know, ten years before I would really feel,

665
00:39:47,079 --> 00:39:50,280
you know, like I was back on top of my game,

666
00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:52,280
I would have given up. I probably would have said,

667
00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:54,320
you know what for me now, because I don't think

668
00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:57,199
I can last that long feeling this way. Yeah, but

669
00:39:57,400 --> 00:39:59,960
you know now that I am on the other side

670
00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:05,039
that you know, it's it's in my rear view mirror. Man,

671
00:40:05,599 --> 00:40:09,960
it's another It's just another. Yeah. It was rough. Yeah,

672
00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:11,880
it was tough, but you know what, I'm still here

673
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:14,360
and I'm doing great. And that's why I say to

674
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:16,800
people all the time, it doesn't matter how bad things

675
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:19,320
are or what you're going through, something could change all

676
00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:24,480
of that and you just you don't have the strength

677
00:40:24,639 --> 00:40:26,960
or the will to get to that point. You know,

678
00:40:27,079 --> 00:40:29,440
you're not gonna know you know, if you just if

679
00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:32,119
you your life or give up or whatever, you know,

680
00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:37,840
like you don't, you'll never know what could have happened,

681
00:40:38,039 --> 00:40:40,840
what good could have came to you. I mean, death

682
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:43,320
is inevitable. It's like the one thing we don't have

683
00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:48,480
to work for. It's coming, right, So why run to it?

684
00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:53,639
Why run that direction? You're gonna get there? And if

685
00:40:53,679 --> 00:40:55,920
you just slow down your pace a little bit and

686
00:40:56,360 --> 00:40:59,360
try to enjoy the ride a little bit and like

687
00:41:00,559 --> 00:41:05,079
look around as you're moving, you know, life is actually

688
00:41:05,119 --> 00:41:08,440
pretty amazing, you know. I mean, yeah, it's full of trauma,

689
00:41:08,559 --> 00:41:11,239
full of drama, full of pain, suffering and everything else.

690
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:15,920
But that's not all there is, right right, well very

691
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:18,599
well said yeah. You know.

692
00:41:19,199 --> 00:41:20,559
Speaker 2: By the way, so when you when you went on

693
00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:22,800
through all that in twenty twelve, like, what what did

694
00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:25,280
you what did you do to help help yourself get

695
00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:26,880
through it? I mean, did you did you just kind

696
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:29,800
of lean more on the jiu jitsu or I mean what,

697
00:41:30,079 --> 00:41:32,920
uh is there anything specific that you did to really

698
00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:34,159
help yourself pull through that?

699
00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:40,360
Speaker 8: You know what it was just a string of good fortune,

700
00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:40,559
you know.

701
00:41:41,159 --> 00:41:41,360
Speaker 2: Yeah.

702
00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:43,559
Speaker 8: I had been working on a book for a while

703
00:41:44,199 --> 00:41:49,599
and around that time I met the person that I

704
00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:53,679
eventually wound up marrying, and uh oh, she became my

705
00:41:54,639 --> 00:41:58,079
She was you know, she had a PhD. And you

706
00:41:58,159 --> 00:42:00,519
know she, I'm sorry, has a PhD. She's you know,

707
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:04,000
super smart, she's a lawyer, she's a CEO of her

708
00:42:04,039 --> 00:42:08,400
own company. She's really got her she's she's one of

709
00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:15,239
the most you know, inspiring and as kicking humans I've known.

710
00:42:16,199 --> 00:42:21,280
And you know, she had started working on editing my

711
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:27,679
book with me right before all this happened, So she

712
00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:29,639
knew that what she was seeing in the news and

713
00:42:29,679 --> 00:42:35,280
everything was not true. Yeah, and she believed in me.

714
00:42:35,639 --> 00:42:38,760
She had she knew I wasn't this psycho who went

715
00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:41,480
on like a stabbing spree at a nightclub. She was like,

716
00:42:41,559 --> 00:42:43,519
I see him with his kids all the time. He's

717
00:42:43,599 --> 00:42:45,679
like a good guy. He's a good person, he's a

718
00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:48,760
great father, he's he does have a heart. He's not

719
00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:53,760
this crazy madman. So yeah, you know, we just got

720
00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:59,280
closer and closer. And I got to say that between her,

721
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:05,239
between her and Henzo Gracie and having that the academy

722
00:43:05,639 --> 00:43:10,800
and you know, that really gave me what I needed,

723
00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:16,480
just the support system to keep going. And and again,

724
00:43:16,599 --> 00:43:21,320
you know, one thing people need to know too, is like,

725
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:23,440
you know, you can have your heart broken, you can

726
00:43:23,519 --> 00:43:26,000
have your spirit broken, but you know, the heart heals. Man,

727
00:43:26,239 --> 00:43:30,360
It's like one of the most resilient muscles in the body,

728
00:43:30,559 --> 00:43:34,320
you know. I mean, I'm I never thought I'd be

729
00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:38,920
able to love someone again, and I'm again. I'm I'm

730
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:42,599
happier than I've ever been. I'm in the best relationship

731
00:43:42,679 --> 00:43:48,519
I've ever been in. And so I mean, I guess

732
00:43:48,559 --> 00:43:51,960
the moral of this is, no matter how bleak things seem,

733
00:43:52,039 --> 00:43:55,519
you really just can't give up. You know, you actually can't.

734
00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:58,800
You know, life is too beautiful to just throw in

735
00:43:58,880 --> 00:43:59,280
the towel.

736
00:43:59,320 --> 00:43:59,440
Speaker 1: Man.

737
00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:00,960
Speaker 8: You got to fight for what you want, man.

738
00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:04,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, And also too, I mean, you're you know,

739
00:44:05,119 --> 00:44:08,760
you're you've kept yourself an incredible physical shape. The most

740
00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:11,360
most men your age I don't are not in the

741
00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:14,760
kind of physical shape that you're in. And you know, obviously,

742
00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:16,920
how we take care of ourselves physically affects how we

743
00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:19,199
feel mentally and emotionally and all of that. So that's

744
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:20,840
that's an important piece of this too, I think.

745
00:44:23,079 --> 00:44:26,440
Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean, I exercise every day. I do like

746
00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:30,360
an hour of cardio almost like I do between forty

747
00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:34,079
minutes to an hour of cardio every day. And you know,

748
00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:37,199
I changed jiu jitsu and box. You know, at least

749
00:44:37,199 --> 00:44:39,920
a couple of times a week. I do at least

750
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:44,880
thirty minutes of shadow boxing every day. I'm I'm, I'm

751
00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:48,760
border I obsessed, you know. And but there's you know

752
00:44:49,039 --> 00:44:53,920
reasons it starts it. I'm in great shape because of it. Yeah,

753
00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:57,519
it helps my It helps my mind, you know, it

754
00:44:57,639 --> 00:44:59,760
relieves stress. It keeps me a little bit, you know,

755
00:45:00,079 --> 00:45:04,880
more grounded, and and you know, I take my job

756
00:45:05,039 --> 00:45:07,159
very serious. Man. I want to go out on stage

757
00:45:07,199 --> 00:45:12,480
and kill it. So I do more cardio every day

758
00:45:12,599 --> 00:45:15,039
than I know I'm going to be on stage. Right,

759
00:45:15,119 --> 00:45:17,920
If I know I have an hour that I have

760
00:45:18,079 --> 00:45:19,599
to do, I make sure that I do an hour

761
00:45:19,679 --> 00:45:22,519
of cardio every day leading up to that tour. You know,

762
00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:25,119
last tour we did, we only had a half hour

763
00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:28,840
set because we were opening up for Danzig, and I

764
00:45:29,039 --> 00:45:31,400
had so much energy. I was like, you know, my

765
00:45:31,559 --> 00:45:33,639
my show would be over and I'd be like doing

766
00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:37,079
you know, a couple hundred push ups right as soon

767
00:45:37,119 --> 00:45:38,880
as I walk off the stage. It's like, yeah, man,

768
00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:41,559
let's go I'll go another forty minutes. Man, let's do this,

769
00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:44,960
you know. So, yeah, I feel great, man, Yeah, I

770
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:47,159
feel great. My wife said the other day. You know,

771
00:45:47,559 --> 00:45:49,599
I'm like, honey, I feel you know, I lost a

772
00:45:49,639 --> 00:45:52,679
little weight, you know, because I've been exercising differently. I'm

773
00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:56,840
not working for strength as much as as as endurance

774
00:45:56,960 --> 00:46:00,440
right now. It's because I have to prioritize this tour

775
00:46:00,559 --> 00:46:02,920
coming up, so I'm really working on just being able

776
00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:07,039
to go all out for an hour. That's my mission,

777
00:46:07,159 --> 00:46:10,880
right So, and she's like, she told me, you know, yeah,

778
00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:13,679
you got you lost a little bit of weight, but

779
00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:16,960
you look great. You look like you did when you

780
00:46:17,079 --> 00:46:21,360
were in your twenties. And she's met me in my twenties, so,

781
00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:24,639
you know what, I'm almost I'm sorry, I think I

782
00:46:24,679 --> 00:46:30,519
almost said a bad word. I'm almost sixty, bro, I'm

783
00:46:30,639 --> 00:46:34,159
fifty eight years old. And the fact that my wife,

784
00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:36,840
who knew me in my twenties says I still look

785
00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:39,880
the same like physically, you know, that says a lot. Man.

786
00:46:40,119 --> 00:46:42,920
Speaker 2: It doest.

787
00:46:43,079 --> 00:46:46,159
Speaker 8: I go between a six to an eight pack, depending

788
00:46:46,199 --> 00:46:48,760
on how many leglifts I'd do it. I'm in shape,

789
00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:52,239
I got veins in my arms, I'm still cut, you know. Yeah,

790
00:46:52,719 --> 00:46:56,719
And it's important, man. You know, I see people half

791
00:46:56,800 --> 00:46:59,320
my age who like struggle walking upstairs, you know. I

792
00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:01,400
see people who having like a hard time getting up

793
00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:04,000
off the couch. And I'm like, I see parents in

794
00:47:04,039 --> 00:47:07,679
the playground who are like so out of shape that

795
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:09,840
they can't even keep up with their kids or play

796
00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:14,079
with them, right right, Like, I don't even see your

797
00:47:14,119 --> 00:47:16,440
point in breeding if you're going to be so out

798
00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:18,920
of shape that you're just going to raise more out

799
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:21,760
of shape people like you know, do you know if

800
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:24,800
you're gonna have kids, get your life together, be healthy,

801
00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:28,719
set an example for them, you know. Yeah, people, I

802
00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:31,679
always let the idea of the dad bod. You know what,

803
00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:34,719
when I had my kids, I started working out twice

804
00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:37,559
as hard. Yeah, you know, because I'm like, I want to.

805
00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:39,880
I want to set an example for them. I want

806
00:47:39,960 --> 00:47:42,199
them to know that health is wealth.

807
00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:42,559
Speaker 7: Man.

808
00:47:42,719 --> 00:47:44,679
Speaker 8: You know, you've got to work. You got to take

809
00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:47,280
care of yourself. You got to get in there and grind. Man.

810
00:47:47,320 --> 00:47:49,400
I used to bring their strollers to the gym with me,

811
00:47:50,039 --> 00:47:52,239
you know, and they'd sit there in their strollers while

812
00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:54,760
I was working out. You know, I started bringing them

813
00:47:54,760 --> 00:47:56,960
to the academy when they were like six months old.

814
00:47:57,000 --> 00:47:58,960
I wanted them to see, this is what men are

815
00:47:59,039 --> 00:48:01,239
supposed to do. This supposed to be in shape, They're

816
00:48:01,239 --> 00:48:04,119
supposed to be active. You know.

817
00:48:05,039 --> 00:48:09,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know I've always said, well, I've always said too,

818
00:48:09,159 --> 00:48:12,519
there's a there's a weird thing culturally in the United States,

819
00:48:12,559 --> 00:48:15,719
and maybe this exists other places too. But you know, we, uh,

820
00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:18,280
we feed our I don't have any children on my own,

821
00:48:18,320 --> 00:48:20,800
but you know, we feed our kids like almost right

822
00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:23,559
out of the shoot, all kinds of sugar and and

823
00:48:24,039 --> 00:48:27,679
you know it's like, uh, you know, right right out

824
00:48:27,719 --> 00:48:29,519
of the gate. We teach our kids, you know, this

825
00:48:29,679 --> 00:48:31,800
is what this is what you should enjoy the most

826
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:35,159
is cake and and candy and all this stuff. And

827
00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:39,119
then we raise generations of diabetics, you know, and and

828
00:48:39,320 --> 00:48:43,920
and and gee, I wonder why, you know bad.

829
00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:47,400
Speaker 8: It's you know, all part of a bigger picture. I mean,

830
00:48:47,639 --> 00:48:52,599
the you know, they want to I say, they I

831
00:48:52,679 --> 00:48:54,440
hate to turn into one of those people. But it's

832
00:48:54,480 --> 00:48:59,400
like basically, if they you know, they want you as

833
00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:01,719
long as long as you could be part of the workforce,

834
00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:05,159
and then and then they just want you to pay

835
00:49:05,239 --> 00:49:07,920
medical bills. You know, it's just like, how can the

836
00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:10,119
system get the most out of you and give you

837
00:49:10,239 --> 00:49:13,480
the least and just keep you, you know, another little

838
00:49:14,679 --> 00:49:18,440
meaningless screw in the machine, right, you know, it's like

839
00:49:18,599 --> 00:49:22,079
work hard, get sick, and keep giving them money till

840
00:49:22,119 --> 00:49:26,920
you die, you know. And you know, and I do

841
00:49:27,119 --> 00:49:30,119
think it's I hate using the word conspiracy, but I

842
00:49:30,159 --> 00:49:31,840
do think that there is a little bit of a

843
00:49:32,119 --> 00:49:35,519
you know, throughout the history of this country, they've done

844
00:49:35,519 --> 00:49:38,199
a lot of you know, they really have polluted us.

845
00:49:39,840 --> 00:49:41,639
You know, there's a lot of foods in this country

846
00:49:41,679 --> 00:49:45,280
that are not even legal in other countries, like food

847
00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:51,639
colorings and different artificials, sweeteners, and various ingredients and chemicals

848
00:49:51,719 --> 00:49:54,480
that they use in our foods that are literally banned

849
00:49:54,559 --> 00:49:57,800
in other countries. What did all tell you that? That

850
00:49:57,960 --> 00:50:01,840
tells you that somebody's making money off of keeping us unhealthy.

851
00:50:02,760 --> 00:50:07,119
You know, I've been a vegetarian since nineteen eighty two.

852
00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:11,360
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, and you know I was you know, I

853
00:50:11,480 --> 00:50:14,159
was surprised by that too. You mentioned that in one

854
00:50:14,159 --> 00:50:15,880
of the interviews that I watched, and that was interesting

855
00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:19,360
to me because I would imagine a lot of people

856
00:50:19,400 --> 00:50:22,039
you tell that too, are surprised because you know, you've

857
00:50:22,079 --> 00:50:23,599
got a lot of muscle on you. And I think

858
00:50:23,599 --> 00:50:26,079
there's a obviously it's a misconception because you're a proof

859
00:50:26,159 --> 00:50:29,559
of this this idea that you can't you know that

860
00:50:29,880 --> 00:50:32,679
if you're a vegetarian, you can't build muscle. But you

861
00:50:32,840 --> 00:50:35,920
obviously have built muscle as a vegetarian, and as you said,

862
00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:37,599
you've been a vegetarian for a very long time.

863
00:50:39,719 --> 00:50:41,960
Speaker 8: Yeah. Well, you know what, there's a lot of myths

864
00:50:42,239 --> 00:50:46,599
in the health industry, you know, I mean, they do

865
00:50:46,960 --> 00:50:50,079
most of their research on rats, you know, I mean,

866
00:50:50,639 --> 00:50:54,400
and rats require a lot more protein than people. Yeah,

867
00:50:56,199 --> 00:50:59,360
but you know, and also people don't realize that there

868
00:50:59,440 --> 00:51:02,599
is actually protein and vegetables, you know. I mean, for

869
00:51:03,039 --> 00:51:08,039
you know, like all those fake burgers that they make now,

870
00:51:08,199 --> 00:51:14,639
like what they call impossible, that stuffs made from like

871
00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:18,519
pea protein. You know, peas have protein, Broccoli has protein.

872
00:51:18,639 --> 00:51:24,719
You know. So and unless you're like trying to you

873
00:51:24,800 --> 00:51:28,760
don't be like a bodybuilder. You don't really as much

874
00:51:29,239 --> 00:51:34,039
protein as people think. Yeah, you know, and so unless

875
00:51:34,199 --> 00:51:37,800
unless you're like literally trying to you know, bulk up

876
00:51:37,920 --> 00:51:40,199
and you know, be like you know, Arnold Schwarzenegger or

877
00:51:40,239 --> 00:51:44,639
something you don't need. You know, people are always talking

878
00:51:44,639 --> 00:51:47,280
about you need one grand of protein for every you know,

879
00:51:47,320 --> 00:51:49,000
I don't. I don't know if all that's true, man.

880
00:51:49,039 --> 00:51:53,639
I mean, yeah, I know I'm in good shape.

881
00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:54,199
Speaker 1: You know.

882
00:51:54,639 --> 00:51:56,519
Speaker 8: My wife just put out a book book too, So

883
00:51:56,639 --> 00:51:59,400
I mean it's are interested in what I eat for for,

884
00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:03,760
you know, to maintain she put just Laura Leaf Flanagan.

885
00:52:03,840 --> 00:52:07,559
She just put out a book called Hardcore Vegetarian. And

886
00:52:08,079 --> 00:52:11,480
it's not it's not a book that like dashes meat

887
00:52:11,519 --> 00:52:14,360
eating or anything like that, you know, it's it's actually

888
00:52:14,599 --> 00:52:18,559
just a lot of recipes to try to bring more

889
00:52:19,599 --> 00:52:22,519
vegetables into your diet. Yeah, you know, it's not so

890
00:52:22,719 --> 00:52:26,599
much about it's just about, you know, learning more about

891
00:52:26,679 --> 00:52:29,400
food and adding new things to your diet that you

892
00:52:29,480 --> 00:52:31,800
didn't know about and stuff. And so for people who

893
00:52:31,840 --> 00:52:33,480
want to know what I do to stay in shape,

894
00:52:33,480 --> 00:52:36,400
obviously I exercise a lot, but you know, what you

895
00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:38,039
put into your body is critical too.

896
00:52:38,360 --> 00:52:43,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Harley, we're approaching.

897
00:52:44,599 --> 00:52:46,679
Speaker 8: I know meat eaters who are in great shape too.

898
00:52:47,360 --> 00:52:50,519
Everybody is different, so I also I also I'm not

899
00:52:50,599 --> 00:52:54,159
one of these like militant vegetarians who is like you

900
00:52:54,199 --> 00:52:58,639
know I kind of used to be. But the fact

901
00:52:58,800 --> 00:53:03,199
is is, you know what, vegetables at plants are also alive,

902
00:53:04,119 --> 00:53:08,039
you know, so I can't judge people for eating meat.

903
00:53:08,119 --> 00:53:15,239
You know, my vegetables were alive, and if any if anything,

904
00:53:15,280 --> 00:53:23,320
I'm more against the you know, industrial industry of the

905
00:53:23,400 --> 00:53:25,800
meat industry and like the way it like if people

906
00:53:25,880 --> 00:53:33,880
were still you know, hunter gatherers like we were. You know,

907
00:53:34,039 --> 00:53:38,039
factory farming is really what is destroying not just our

908
00:53:38,119 --> 00:53:42,079
health but the planet. You know, like the meat industry

909
00:53:42,199 --> 00:53:47,119
is really toxic, like all the pollution that comes out

910
00:53:47,159 --> 00:53:51,519
of the waste and you know how I mean, it

911
00:53:51,639 --> 00:53:53,239
goes on and on. I'm not going to sit here

912
00:53:53,360 --> 00:53:59,039
and like preach. Anybody can do the research. But you know,

913
00:53:59,719 --> 00:54:01,599
if you're gonna eat me, I think you should eat

914
00:54:01,800 --> 00:54:05,360
you know, it should be healthy. It should be like

915
00:54:05,639 --> 00:54:08,760
you know, grass fed, you should or you should be

916
00:54:08,880 --> 00:54:11,159
hunting it yourself, or you know, there has to be

917
00:54:11,280 --> 00:54:16,119
some sort of respect for for nature, right, you know, right,

918
00:54:16,719 --> 00:54:20,559
you don't respect don't yourself. It's gonna go bad. It's

919
00:54:20,719 --> 00:54:22,320
just you know, we see the results.

920
00:54:23,719 --> 00:54:26,719
Speaker 2: Oh no, well said uh well Harley, we are The

921
00:54:26,800 --> 00:54:29,039
time goes quickly. We are approaching the top of the hour,

922
00:54:29,119 --> 00:54:31,599
but this has been incredible. I'm really glad you joined

923
00:54:31,679 --> 00:54:32,000
us today.

924
00:54:33,800 --> 00:54:34,559
Speaker 8: Thank you for having me.

925
00:54:34,719 --> 00:54:37,199
Speaker 2: Absolutely absolutely we should remind people before we go. And

926
00:54:37,280 --> 00:54:39,719
by the way, in a moment we're going to I'm

927
00:54:39,719 --> 00:54:41,800
gonna close out the segment with Life of my Own,

928
00:54:41,840 --> 00:54:45,519
another great track, but uh, we should remind people Wired

929
00:54:45,559 --> 00:54:48,000
for Chaos is coming out. It's gonna be in theaters

930
00:54:48,519 --> 00:54:52,679
middle of the month. I think you said, yeah, what's

931
00:54:52,760 --> 00:54:53,519
the date on that?

932
00:54:53,679 --> 00:55:04,719
Speaker 8: Again, I think it's gonna be uh see, yeah, June fifteenth,

933
00:55:04,760 --> 00:55:08,320
that hits the theaters. And I was doing like a

934
00:55:08,719 --> 00:55:11,480
theater tour with the film with Q and A's and

935
00:55:12,320 --> 00:55:15,159
and all that stuff. So it'll uh, you know, and

936
00:55:15,320 --> 00:55:19,280
and then it will be available streaming and so on

937
00:55:19,400 --> 00:55:22,119
and so forth. So and you know, I think it's

938
00:55:22,119 --> 00:55:24,760
a it's a it's a it's a good story. It's

939
00:55:24,760 --> 00:55:28,000
a good film, even if you are not interested in

940
00:55:28,320 --> 00:55:32,719
you know, punk rock or hardcore music. Everybody who's seen

941
00:55:32,800 --> 00:55:37,039
this thing told me that they were able to really

942
00:55:37,119 --> 00:55:40,400
identify with the story, you know, because although I've had

943
00:55:40,440 --> 00:55:45,360
a unique experience, you know, my life has been I

944
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don't know if anybody else has lived a life exactly

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like mine. But we've all experienced trauma. We've all experienced

946
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you know, different types of you know, pain, stress. You know,

947
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everybody has suffered. Everybody's gone through things that were difficult.

948
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So I mean, I you know, whether it was you know,

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you're a broken family, your parents separating, whether it was

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you know, divorced, losing your kids, whether it was you know,

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getting arrested, whether it was struggling with drugs or this

952
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or that. There's a lot of things in this film

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that I think most humans can identify with because nobody

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has an easy ride, and I think it gives a

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little bit of hope maybe, you know, I mean, because

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if I made it through the things I made it through,

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I think I think most people, I think just about anybody,

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can you know what I mean? A lot of people

959
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out there have suffered harder than me. But you know

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a lot of people have suffered harder than me and

961
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done well right, right, So that who said, I just

962
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don't believe in giving up. And if I can give

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anybody just a little bit of hope or strength to

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believe in yourself, then you know, then my time on

965
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this earth was not a waste.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, well said, well said. I agree. And by

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the way too, I'll remind people you've got a great website,

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Harley Flanagan dot com for people who want to learn

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more about you and about the film. And and you've

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got a tour coming up and coming up really fast. Right,

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you're you're that Monday, all right, very good, very good.

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Speaker 8: Germany somewhere on Tuesday or Wednesday. And the day I

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get home, I'm doing a Q and A. So yeah,

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let's do it.

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Speaker 2: You gotta you got a full schedule. Well listen, so

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we'll we'll close with this track Life of my Own,

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but we'll let you go. Harley flan again, thank you

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so much. Let's let's do this again in the future.

979
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I could, uh, I could talk to you forever. Man.

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This has been fascinating. So I'm really glad you joined

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us this morning.

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Speaker 8: This fun and you can have me on anytime. It

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would be a pleasure to talk to you again.

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Speaker 2: Awesome, awesome, all right, Harley flanagain, thank you so much,

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my friend.

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Speaker 8: Take care my pleasure.

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Speaker 2: Alright, you got it, Bye bye, all right, Harley Flanagan

988
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of the Crowmaggs And I'm really looking forward to seeing

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the documentary Wired for Chaos, and we're gonna end with

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this track. This is another great song. This is called

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a Life of My Own. And if you are listening

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live on Saturday, make sure you stick around. Our number

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two is coming up.

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Speaker 8: What is the.

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Speaker 2: You'll fight by your lives, You'll fight us the Wow,

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you'll come and tell us?

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Speaker 3: Whoa when mothering?

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Speaker 2: The accept yourself?

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeahs wol.

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Speaker 3: With nothing.

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Speaker 1: Accept yourself, so what you want.

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Speaker 3: And how you don't want it?

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Speaker 2: Sounds like poll do it praying yourself, preople, the.

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Speaker 3: Press were all the town. You let rest.

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Speaker 2: Your time, jell us, whoa with mother except yourself