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more online at Victor cdjr dot com. Well, in this episode,

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I get to know someone I've known for a while.

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I know that sounds a little bit weird, but I

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think you're gonna fall in love with Madge Madigan. She

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has her own podcast. It's called Madge Unmuted.

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Speaker 3: That's about my show. You can you can be inspirational,

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and you can have fun, and you can learn stuff,

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and you can be intellectually you can be fun. That's

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been my whole philosophy on life. Is that Because you know,

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and I'm sure we'll get into this, I went through

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a lot of really hard times and the one thing

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that I always did to get through it was humor.

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Speaker 2: And man, does she have a story.

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Speaker 3: She's like, I know that at Mercy you all wear

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the beautiful Yeah, it sort of makes it broke my heart,

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but it was also like, okay, good, because that's all

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I want you to worry about.

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Speaker 2: She even wrote a book about her experiences, which she's

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rereading now to work on another project.

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Speaker 3: I was rereading this book and I was reading about

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times that I would go on dates. Yeah, and I

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was like, I can't ever make anything go And I'm

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reading it and I'm like.

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Speaker 2: Shit, I wouldn't date me get to know one of

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the strongest people I've ever known even better. Right after this,

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Speaker 4: When your old career gives you lemons throwing some ice

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mix in some vodka. He call it a podcast from

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the Mac of All Trade Studio in Fairport and driven

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by Victor Chrysler Dots Gee Brahm, It's Billified, the Bill

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Moran Podcast.

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Speaker 2: Well, hello and welcome. Thanks for getting your pot on,

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Thanks for telling a friend. That's how we spread the

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word about the pirate ship boy today, No, what's gonna

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happen here? But I'm excited because I went on Madge

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Unmuted and I thought, oh, this will be fun. And

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then Madge said I'm going to be in town so

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I could come in studio, and I thought that's even better,

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even better, It's amazing. So why don't we start with

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this question you? What made you want to do the

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Madge Unmuted Podcast.

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Speaker 2: What was the impetus behind that.

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Speaker 3: No one else would hire me?

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Speaker 2: Okay?

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Speaker 3: No, really kind of.

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Speaker 2: You had something to say and you want to say exactly? Yeah,

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that was it.

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Speaker 3: I had been wanting to get back on the air

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for a long time, and I it was COVID, and

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I thought, what can I do? And I just I saw,

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you know, Fitzu's thing on Facebook, and I'm think I'm

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doing this. And I contacted him and I said, I've

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got some things. I've got work to do.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and how's it been going. I mean, it's been going.

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Speaker 3: It's been awesome. I took I took a while off

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last year because I actually got a contract position for

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I was doing social media for a streaming platform and

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that was going fantastic and I was working like fifty

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hours and then they went under. So I decided, now

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I got the time again, I'm gonna go.

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Speaker 2: Right back a. Yeah, it's a it's a fun, freeing

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thing to do. I think everybody should should go. The

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biggest problem that you'll find with podcasting is I think

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that people don't know what the expect They come in

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with an expectation, right, you got to go in no

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expectation and let it build and be consistent and that's it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the thing. When I first started, people you know,

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and I know you probably get this, what's it about?

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Speaker 2: What do you do?

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Speaker 3: What you know? And I it was just going to

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be a kind of it's going to be conversations with people. Yes,

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it's like being in a bar, right, conversation with someone

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and you just want to learn about them and have

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some laughs and you can do all of those things.

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So I just kind of let it. Like when you

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came on my show last week, I don't know if

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you said afterwards, you like, I wasn't sure what this

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was going to be, and I was like, that's part

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of the beauty of.

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Speaker 2: It, right, Well, it was sort of how I felt.

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I wasn't sure that I was good because I know

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that you laughs and you do things, and I all

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of a sudden and I go, what am I I'm

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like preaching or something. I don't know what you're saying.

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Speaker 3: That's the beauty, that's that's about my show. You can

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can be fun. That's been my whole philosophy on life

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is that because you know, and I'm sure we'll get

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it can be. I have some really dark jokes about

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like when my father was dying, and well, you know,

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it's that dark Irish humor. Yes, And that's that's even

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when you're even when you're talking about tough stuff, you

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can still laugh about it.

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Speaker 2: Uh yeah, I agree, No, I I agree. I mean

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of your story, like you know, with the kids and stuff,

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because what I see now is you visiting the kids,

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the beautiful daughters, handsome son, everybody's successful, doing well, and

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then you start telling the story that's im mute, and

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I'm like, this is the stuff to me that I

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feel like needs to be recognized, and I think it

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also needs to be for people to sort of see

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that you can. And I think there's a lot of

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trepidation right now, right worry about what's to come and

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what's America anymore. And I still think it's a land

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of opportunity. I really do.

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Speaker 3: I do too. I God, I don't even know. I

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have so many things I want to say.

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Speaker 2: To that, but yeah, say anything you want, because there's

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no wrong answer to it. I think you and I

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are probably on the same side of things, like I

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see that I saw. I actually copied and pasted because

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I saw your posts yesterday and I wasn't and then

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you had mentioned in one of the lines you said,

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I'm going to take it down, and I thought, I

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didn't know whether to bring that up at some point

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or not, just because it's well, it's it's fair. You

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did put it out on a platform, and I thought

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it was I go, I kind of like the rawness

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of it and the realness of it.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, And that was the intention of it. And

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I took it down today. Finally, when somebody that I

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went to high school with who was on the far

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far far side and and you saw that post was

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really pretty vague.

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Speaker 2: It was just about I kind of got the gist

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of it, but it wasn't nasty or mean.

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Speaker 3: I didn't mention. But it's also about a lot of

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things in my life.

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Speaker 2: Well that's what I thought too. I figured this, this

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is like a mushroom cloud of something.

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Speaker 3: It was about how, you know, I was always taught,

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you know, be a good girl, be a good person,

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and all good things will come to you. Well, I've

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found that a lot of different people in my life,

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and now that the shittiest person wins, and it's very disheartening.

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And so today somebody who you know, she's just I've

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put her on I've had her muted because she's kind

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of a kook. And I she said, I know what

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this is about. This is awful, and then she went

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on and on about what a wonderful person he is,

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and went on and on about that, and like, I

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know what you're doing, and you're you're I'm weird. She

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basically she's telling me I'm a terrible person. And then

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you know, did the old do your own research? And

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I didn't even respond. I wanted to say, leave it

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to you to go. This was me being raw about

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me I never mentioned anybody. I never mentioned politics. I

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just meant my own. Yeah, exactly exactly. And I've had

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some really horrible people in my life that came have

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always come out smelling like a rose. And I'm like, God,

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damn it, how does this person always land on top?

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So she did that, and I was like, you know

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what done? Because most every other person there was probably

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I know, twenty thirty comments and they were all, you know,

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keep being you madge, right, don't give up, you know,

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And that's all I was looking for. Just wanted to

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see if anybody else felt the same way. And no,

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she's got to bring out that crap.

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fun of it, you know? I I not, no, not

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at all. Well, here's here's what I believe. I believe

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that human beings will thrive on drama or look for drama.

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have let's say, physical wars in our world, right, yeah,

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we'll find them and we'll create wars on drugs and

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wars against this and wars against that, you understanding, and

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all these things. And I go, boy, we just really

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like the drama. And when you say that to people, go,

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I don't like I'm not a dramatic at all. I

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really think that that it is and it's part of

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the It's just part of the human experience.

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Speaker 3: It is, and it's but it's also part of the

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human experience that most people want. How do I I

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hate to put it so simplistically.

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 3: Simply a lot of people just need somebody to hate. Yes,

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shit rolls down.

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Speaker 2: Well, here's the thing that I have come to believe

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in life. You ready for this. Everything that happens to

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you in some way is your own fault. You brought

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it on in some way, And it is so much easier,

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and it feels good to blame because blame is better

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than loathing. And I don't you know. You get older

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and older, and you start to see things and sometimes

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we see how silly we are and stuff. And I'll

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always say, to at least my youngest son and any

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of them that will listen to me anymore, to climb

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that emotional scale, right, blame is better than loathing. Okay,

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I get it, But let's move past that and realize

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that some of this is your fault and always go

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for the better feeling thought, because feelings are really the

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indicator of where you are in life.

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Speaker 3: Well, yeah, what and so let me loathing on in.

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Speaker 2: Way, self loathing, self loathing like I'm upset. It's my fault,

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and I can blame, but it's easier to blame. It

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feels better to blame. See that it's not my fault.

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Speaker 3: I've gotten past that and some in some ways my

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whole life, it was the Catholic guilt thing.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, oh everything was Are you are you what

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some people recall recovering Catholic or are you still practice?

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Speaker 3: I I go a little bit, yeah, because I still

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have faith that there's something greater than me. Do I

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believe in you know, everything, the Bible, Gospel, whatever. No,

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I don't believe that the Catholic Church controls me. I

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honestly go to I go to mass more for the ritual.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: You know, we were talking about meditating last time, and

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part of part of meditating or some forms of meditating,

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is doing something repetitive to get yourself in a thing.

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And really that's what the ritual. Part of the ritual

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Catholic masses, you know, Yeah, the Rosary, the reciting, the

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prayers to stand up, sit down, fight fight fight, it's

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but yeah, so anyway, that's why I go so and

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it was the Catholic It was Catholic guilt and one

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of the best things I ever did. So to go

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in between blaming other people and blaming myself on everything,

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I've come to a great saying is sometimes it just is. Yeah,

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that's like the most healthy thing. Acceptance is one of

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the most healthy things you can arrive at. Is just

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you know what. Sometimes stuff just is. Yeah, take accountability

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if it's something you know whatever.

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Speaker 2: But if not, it just what have you learned through

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all this stuff in life? Because going back for people

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who may not be familiar, Madge really raised three kids

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by herself completely on her own. Wound to evicted, you

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said from places twice and yet you and I don't know.

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It's like the picture the people don't match the picture

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that's painted. Right. If I think of people who are evicted,

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it's like everything's shitty and you're getting that depression and

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it becomes a spiral and you don't feel like getting

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out of bed and you're not doing anything. That's not

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the case.

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Speaker 3: No, And it's funny. And I wrote that book you

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know ten years ago.

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Speaker 2: I love the name of it.

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Speaker 3: Thank you. When life gives you lemons, at least you

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won't get scurvy.

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Speaker 2: Can you still get on like Amazon and stuff?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and so one of the chapters I wrote, it's

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actually more of just like a collection of essays of stuff.

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I went through like blog entries, and one of them was,

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should I do I need? Am I supposed to have

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a uniform to look poor? So you're damned if you do.

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You're damned if you don't. So I would be nicely

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dressed like I am now because I was working. I

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was working like a minimum wage job, but I didn't

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have enough to support three children under eighteen and there,

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and that was even part time. Sometimes I would have

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no job. Sometimes it was just this cluster puck. So anyway, yeah,

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because the d took off after we got divorced, and

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but so I was working, and you know, you pull

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out the EBT card or you go into the doctor's

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office and give the Medicaid card, you know, and they're

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all like, like, I'm running some sort of sam because

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you're dressed nicely, yes, and so am I supposed to

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have stained pajama pants and slippers? And an ankle monitor on,

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you know, in order for you to accept me. But

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also I'm that you know, unicorn welfare person that I'm

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supposed to be. They just need a temporary hand up,

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you know. But then when i'm that textbook person that

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you want me to be, you're still judging me. So

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in a lot of in life, a lot of times

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you can't win.

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Speaker 2: No boy. My father was a big one on always

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you don't dress well because you get treated better. So

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when I go to when all the boys were little,

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I think we had a fast pass to the emergency room,

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but I always had a collared shirt on standby because

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you did, you got treated better. You just did. And

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I'm sure when you handed out that card it was

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kind of a judge like people were not expecting right, right,

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And we have an expectation and we're not supposed to judge,

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but we're animals and we all judge, and we're going

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to judge. And I still think you should always try

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to put your best foot forward and look your best

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because it also makes you feel better exactly.

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Speaker 3: And I was still, you know, I was still trying

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to better myself. I'm trying to get in this hole.

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I had not. Like I said, I told my kids,

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this will not define us. So it's just keep going,

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keep being the person that you want to be, even

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though you know you might not have all the money

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to do all the things. You know, there were times

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I couldn't even get get a video from Blockbuster because

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I just didn't have three extra dollars, you know. But

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the oh, what I was going to say too, is

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that anything I ever had was you know, it was

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like Target clothes, Marshall clothes. I just was dress find.

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But also I had them from before, yes, when I

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when I when I was married, when my ex husband

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was paying you know whatever. And so then that's the

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other thing that always bugs me when you'll see somebody

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who's very you know, like somebody at the store pulls

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out EBT and they're like, oh, but they can afford

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a thousand dollars iPhone whatever, It's like I had this before. Also,

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how the fuck do you think they're going to get

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a job. This is the entire world and you can

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pay for it.

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Speaker 2: On time or you can get the free one with

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the plans.

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Speaker 3: So that's the thing. It's like people want you to

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like sell everything you own before you you know, go

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and get those benefits, and it's like that's not helpful.

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And one it doesn't you know, you try and try

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and sell your iPhone, you know what you're gonna get

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for it? One hundred bucks? Yeah, twenty bucks. I mean

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so I don't know, it's all that, you know, everybody

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has a preconceived notion. So going back to you, ask

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me what I've learned, It's just that sometimes stuff is

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what it is. You can't let it define you just

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have to move on. And also, what other people think

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of me is not my business?

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, for real. I love that saying.

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Speaker 3: I say it all the time.

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Speaker 2: A matter of fact, is what in this Koster said

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the podcast and some guy made and I'm pretty sure

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that that statement's on there.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, someone else's opinion is none of your business.

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Speaker 2: I'm so happy to hear you say that, like thrilled.

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That's amazing. Yeah, yeah, because and it's really hard. Right again,

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I'll always say easier said than done. We're sensitive. We

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have feelings as much as we don't want to admit them.

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I have been accused of not having nerve endings at times,

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but but you know, you have feelings. You do get hurt.

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We're human beings. We want to be accepted. We are

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pack animals by kind of that are our existence.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and here's one you'll find surprising that when I

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got out of college, my parents were moving to Arizona

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to retire, and they're like, okay, bye, and I'm like,

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what am I supposed to do? There's no place for

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me to go. I'm not going to a senior community

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out there. So I decided to go down to North

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Carolina where my college boyfriend was getting his PhD. So

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I go down there. Long story short, we get engaged,

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and then six weeks before the wedding, which was a

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year and a half after that, I realized I couldn't

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go through that.

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Speaker 2: You did?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, wow, the in the invitations already went out. Yeah,

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And when one day I physically got ill, and that

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was my body like, you cannot go through with this.

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And my whole family was all over the country and

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they were all coming to Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Sure, everybody's invested money.

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Speaker 3: Into this, and and my sister wedding was going to

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be the week before, so we planned this whole. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So I went he was your old man foot in

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the bill for all this.

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Speaker 3: No, no, no, no no no no no, no no no.

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We were both paying for oky thing. So then when

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I felt like horrible, like, oh my god, I'm gonna

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let all these people down and I so I went

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to the priest that we had gone to pre Kana

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with and because that was kind of the only person

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I had that was sort of a guide at the point.

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But he was wicked cool. He was this old Boston

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priest from with a thick Boston accent. And I said,

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I'm afraid of what people are gonna think or what

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are they gonna say whatever, And he's like, let me

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tell you a story. He said, I was going back

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to this priest reunion. He's like, I got passed over

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for this and passed over that. And I was so worried.

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I went to this thing and I was all worried

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about everybody was going to say about me, you know.

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And I went there and I was so worried and

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not one person even mentioned it or said it whatever.

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And he said, the thing I learned is people don't

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think about you as much as you think they do.

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Speaker 2: Boy, I am so glad that you're saying everything that

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I believe. But it's always those moments right, it's the

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person on Facebook that reached out today or whatever. They're

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not probably not thinking of you more. You may have

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spent more time thinking about them in the response. And

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it's a hard thing to wrap your brain around. It's

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very easy to say these words, but it's so important

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because I think you probably have lived by that what

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other people's have been it. Because I got to tell you, lady,

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that is some strong shit as a young woman, to

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realize this marriage isn't all the person is, and when

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I want to having moved there for the person, then

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realizing facing that fear of how many people have been

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in that position match and did not do that, knowing

474
00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:16,559
this wasn't right and have never been fully satisfied the

475
00:26:16,599 --> 00:26:19,039
rest of their life or in any capacity. Right.

476
00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:21,759
Speaker 3: I have had so many people tell me that, boy,

477
00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:26,960
I should have called that engagement, you know, and I don't, like,

478
00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:30,640
I can't believe like getting anxiety about this. But I

479
00:26:30,799 --> 00:26:38,920
was always the kind of black sheep, you know, creative,

480
00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:45,519
one party girl ish, And when I after college, my

481
00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:48,839
everyone was like, well, you need to settle down now.

482
00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:51,480
This is you need to get a normal job and

483
00:26:51,519 --> 00:26:53,799
you need to find someone and this will be good.

484
00:26:53,799 --> 00:26:56,759
For you and do this, and you know, and after

485
00:26:56,839 --> 00:26:59,359
a while, I'm like, this is not what I want

486
00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:03,640
to do. And this guy was you know, we were

487
00:27:03,759 --> 00:27:06,559
it was fun in college, but this isn't the person

488
00:27:06,599 --> 00:27:10,519
for the rest of my life. And when I was

489
00:27:10,559 --> 00:27:16,079
going to call it off, I got some attitude from

490
00:27:16,279 --> 00:27:21,559
my immediate family that I was being irresponsible by calling

491
00:27:21,599 --> 00:27:26,519
off the wedding right like. And so nowadays people say, oh,

492
00:27:26,519 --> 00:27:29,119
that's great. You had such courage. You you know, knew

493
00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:31,599
that this person wasn't right, but I had I had,

494
00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:33,279
so I had that on top of it.

495
00:27:33,519 --> 00:27:38,119
Speaker 2: How old are you at this time? Two twenty twenty four? Young?

496
00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:39,400
Speaker 3: Twenty three twenty four right now?

497
00:27:39,519 --> 00:27:43,000
Speaker 2: Young, like really young. That's a lot of pressure, yeah,

498
00:27:43,079 --> 00:27:47,119
and how many people would cave, especially in an Irish

499
00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:51,400
Catholic family where you's kind of just, I don't, for

500
00:27:51,519 --> 00:27:53,359
lack of a better term, you eat shit because that's

501
00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:56,920
what they're serving, right, And you don't say anything. Yeah, yeah,

502
00:27:57,079 --> 00:28:00,160
you don't say anything. You just and and everything's fun.

503
00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:04,839
It's okay, boy, it could be so much better. That's

504
00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:07,440
a strong that's strong for you to do that at

505
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:09,599
that age. And then the other stuff. Do you ever

506
00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:13,200
just stop and I hope I'm not making you uncomfortable,

507
00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:16,200
but no, stop in any way and look at where

508
00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:20,000
you are today and think of all this stuff and go, man,

509
00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:27,359
the strength, the inner strength. No, yeah, I don't. Yeah,

510
00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:30,279
I mean raising the kids, going through all that stuff,

511
00:28:30,319 --> 00:28:34,160
the EBT, the call. I mean, that's some gutsy stuff. Yeah.

512
00:28:34,279 --> 00:28:36,119
Speaker 3: I think you know it's funny that you say that,

513
00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:39,519
because when I was in it and raising the kids,

514
00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:42,640
I had to just survive. Yeah, I had to just

515
00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:44,519
I had to put food on the table. I had

516
00:28:44,559 --> 00:28:48,039
to make sure my kids were still happy and healthy.

517
00:28:48,599 --> 00:28:51,200
Speaker 2: And what did you do for you during that time?

518
00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:51,559
Speaker 3: Nothing?

519
00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:51,799
Speaker 4: Oh?

520
00:28:52,279 --> 00:28:53,279
Speaker 3: Drink sometimes?

521
00:28:53,359 --> 00:28:55,480
Speaker 2: Okay? Well, I don't mean that to be funny. And

522
00:28:55,559 --> 00:28:59,000
my point is, like I often think that in order

523
00:28:59,279 --> 00:29:01,680
for you to be good for anybody else, you kind

524
00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:04,519
of got to take care of yourself, right, Yeah, but

525
00:29:04,559 --> 00:29:07,720
you can't when there's not the meetings to or the

526
00:29:07,759 --> 00:29:08,720
time too. Right.

527
00:29:09,039 --> 00:29:12,759
Speaker 3: So you know the time that I did, like as

528
00:29:12,799 --> 00:29:15,880
the kids got older, and because for a while I

529
00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:18,279
had them twenty four to seven, you have nobody to

530
00:29:18,359 --> 00:29:21,119
help unless the stars aligned, and I got them all

531
00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:25,200
to have sleepovers at friends and then mom went out

532
00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:32,680
and got hammered, and then I, you know, sobered up

533
00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:35,599
and I went to sleep, and the next day I

534
00:29:35,599 --> 00:29:36,440
got up and I did.

535
00:29:36,359 --> 00:29:38,200
Speaker 2: It all over again. It made banana bread and made

536
00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:38,839
everybody happy.

537
00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:44,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it wasn't the I'm not saying I

538
00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:48,240
got I don't know, like I was out doing anything

539
00:29:48,359 --> 00:29:51,240
anything salacious, but it was just like, yeah.

540
00:29:51,359 --> 00:29:54,920
Speaker 2: Well, I think anybody can understand who has had children,

541
00:29:55,279 --> 00:29:59,319
and especially by themselves at any point. It's not easy. No,

542
00:29:59,480 --> 00:29:59,960
it's a lot.

543
00:30:00,039 --> 00:30:02,759
Speaker 3: And you know why there's always those jokes today or

544
00:30:02,799 --> 00:30:05,119
you see tope bags with you know, mommy needs her

545
00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:08,079
wine and you know all that stuff, because it's true

546
00:30:08,359 --> 00:30:10,519
that shit gets to you and you need your wine

547
00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:14,960
sometimes or whatever it may be. So that's what I did.

548
00:30:15,039 --> 00:30:19,400
I did absolutely nothing for years except just try and

549
00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:24,480
make some sort of money. So then I kid you not,

550
00:30:25,799 --> 00:30:28,799
Oh my god, I'm like, I've just shoved all this

551
00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:31,880
shit down. I know that I needed to, you know,

552
00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:34,759
work through it. That would be healthier my kid. You not.

553
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:40,279
When my third went off to college that first semester,

554
00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:42,559
I dropped her off. I came home, so that meant

555
00:30:42,599 --> 00:30:46,279
all three kids were out of the where two of

556
00:30:46,279 --> 00:30:49,039
them were in college. One was already graduated college. I

557
00:30:49,119 --> 00:30:54,400
came home and fell on the floor and sobbed, and

558
00:30:54,440 --> 00:31:00,359
it was uncontrollable. It wasn't like a cognizant conscious thing like.

559
00:31:00,319 --> 00:31:02,319
Speaker 2: When I get home, this is what I'm gonna do. Yeah,

560
00:31:03,119 --> 00:31:03,640
I walked in.

561
00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:06,680
Speaker 3: It walked in, I saw the empty rooms and I,

562
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:10,279
oh my god, I'm getting for clemped. I literally fell

563
00:31:10,319 --> 00:31:13,000
to the floor. Sob was in like fetal position, just

564
00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:21,440
that sobbing, like someone who'd lost someone permanently. And it

565
00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:23,839
was just this wailing, and I was like, where the

566
00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:27,039
fuck is coming from? But I guess I needed to

567
00:31:27,079 --> 00:31:31,640
get it out. And I think it was everything from

568
00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:36,119
my cla abusive relationship to the failed relationship, to my

569
00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:38,440
dreams of the family falling apart. Oh my god, it's

570
00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:39,680
getting so heavy. I'm sorry.

571
00:31:39,799 --> 00:31:42,559
Speaker 2: No, it's fine, because my point is that you can

572
00:31:42,599 --> 00:31:47,799
survive things, and you can do it with grace, which

573
00:31:47,839 --> 00:31:51,440
sounds silly and ridiculous, but I think that most people

574
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:54,839
looking in from the outside to your life, casual observers,

575
00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:57,480
people who maybe your kids went to school with parents

576
00:31:57,519 --> 00:32:01,400
would see I had no idea. Yeah you don't need

577
00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:04,839
to yeah, right, And there's some pride in that, I think.

578
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:08,640
I certainly my parents, my mom, My mom and Deb

579
00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:11,000
were teachers. My mom back in the day you could

580
00:32:11,039 --> 00:32:15,279
take maternity leave then was like two years, right, she

581
00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:20,200
was in the right exactly. So she had my sister

582
00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:23,319
and then she got pregnant with my brother after two years,

583
00:32:23,319 --> 00:32:26,079
and my father said there was like no money, no money,

584
00:32:26,559 --> 00:32:29,680
So he learned to sew and would make go to

585
00:32:29,759 --> 00:32:34,119
these children's these children's clothing stores. My dad is one

586
00:32:34,119 --> 00:32:36,920
of the few people I would say is absolutely a genius,

587
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:41,759
uh doctorate in philosophy, but that was later. But he

588
00:32:41,759 --> 00:32:45,119
would go to the high end children's clothing stores and

589
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:47,200
look at the patterns for my sister and then he

590
00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:50,880
would go and make the coat with the velvet lapels

591
00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:53,720
and things like that. So she never looked poor.

592
00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:54,960
Speaker 3: Oh my god.

593
00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:58,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you know what I'm saying, like, and so

594
00:32:58,559 --> 00:33:01,720
you can do it, and there's pride in it, because

595
00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:05,599
nobody wants to be treated differently because of anything. Right.

596
00:33:05,799 --> 00:33:10,720
Speaker 3: So, so my kids ended up going to Mercy McQuaid. Yeah,

597
00:33:10,799 --> 00:33:14,160
my son started at McQuaid when my just before my

598
00:33:14,279 --> 00:33:18,720
ex split. And so even then that he was around,

599
00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:20,799
I still didn't have a lot of money. So I

600
00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:24,559
just got him. You know, he had like two spore coats,

601
00:33:24,559 --> 00:33:29,200
four shirts, yeah, and two ties, right, and you know,

602
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:31,200
a couple pairs of pants and he just wore the

603
00:33:31,279 --> 00:33:36,599
same things, right, and so yeah, and I don't think

604
00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:40,480
that spore coat ever left his locker. I know. I

605
00:33:40,559 --> 00:33:42,960
was like, that thing is filthy. Can you bring it

606
00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:45,079
home at break so I can dry clean it? And

607
00:33:45,119 --> 00:33:47,599
then when he brought it home, I'm like, oh, I'm

608
00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:51,279
so embarrassed. You walked around with like, you know, it

609
00:33:51,319 --> 00:33:54,200
looks like some a baby spit up on your bell,

610
00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:57,519
you know. But anyway, so my my girls, all the

611
00:33:57,599 --> 00:34:00,240
kids were I had moved back here from Denver and

612
00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:04,559
the kids were all at Brighton and they saw they

613
00:34:04,599 --> 00:34:07,039
the girls were like, oh my god, Maquaida is so neat.

614
00:34:07,119 --> 00:34:09,360
This is such a great atmosphere or whatever. So when

615
00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:12,320
my daughter, the middle one, got to seventh grade, she's like,

616
00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:15,159
you know, I think I want to go to Mercy.

617
00:34:15,639 --> 00:34:18,280
And I was like, I wasn't landing on that one,

618
00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:20,880
but okay, but you know, when when you're poor, they'll

619
00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:23,280
give you a lot of money, which is nice. So

620
00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:28,480
I found out later she said one of the reasons

621
00:34:28,559 --> 00:34:31,719
she wanted to go to Mercy because she was at

622
00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:36,559
Brighton and she's very, very outgoing, very gregarious girl. But

623
00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:39,360
like all of her friends that you played soccer with

624
00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:42,800
were all very wealthy, and they all had the brand names,

625
00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:47,159
and she, I guess I don't you know, they made

626
00:34:47,159 --> 00:34:49,800
fun of her. She felt bad, you know, because she

627
00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:53,840
didn't have you know, juicy on her ass, and you know,

628
00:34:54,039 --> 00:34:59,679
I was just, yeah, exactly like you wouldn't have if

629
00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:03,039
we to afford it. So and she's like, I know

630
00:35:03,119 --> 00:35:05,000
that at Mercy you all wear.

631
00:35:05,119 --> 00:35:08,480
Speaker 2: The beautiful Yeah, it sort of makes.

632
00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:11,639
Speaker 3: It broke my heart, but it was also like, okay, good,

633
00:35:11,679 --> 00:35:13,880
because that's all I want you to worry about.

634
00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:19,519
Speaker 2: Is right. And I would think probably, I certainly don't

635
00:35:19,559 --> 00:35:22,199
ever want to speak down on a public education at all,

636
00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:26,559
but I do think that she probably was better. It's

637
00:35:26,599 --> 00:35:30,679
a prep school. I would assume I only have experience

638
00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:32,760
with McQuaid, and I would say it's a prep school.

639
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:36,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know, every school has its drawbacs. And

640
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:38,199
because like I was when I was a kid, I

641
00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:40,000
was like, oh my god, I would never want to

642
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:44,079
go to the same sex boring. And you know, at first,

643
00:35:44,119 --> 00:35:47,199
my son was like in tears, because he loved being

644
00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:50,519
at Brighton, but he knew that it was better because

645
00:35:50,559 --> 00:35:55,920
he's like, there's no girls there. But when the girls

646
00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:59,760
went there, and I thought this, but thank god they

647
00:35:59,840 --> 00:36:02,199
are arrived at it themselves. They said, you know, it's

648
00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:05,239
actually kind of easier to learn because you're not worried

649
00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:09,039
about what embarrassing yourself in front of the boys or

650
00:36:09,119 --> 00:36:10,639
what they think, or you could talk. Am.

651
00:36:10,639 --> 00:36:15,480
Speaker 2: I like, yeah, I do. I think it's even better

652
00:36:15,519 --> 00:36:18,079
for boys because I think guys are different. I think

653
00:36:18,119 --> 00:36:22,320
that there's uh, you know, I always think boys need

654
00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:25,559
to run around and burn off steam. Yeah, and wrestle,

655
00:36:25,639 --> 00:36:27,679
and we don't allow the wrestling. Not that they're allowing

656
00:36:27,679 --> 00:36:30,039
that in McQuaid. That's not my point, but they handle

657
00:36:30,079 --> 00:36:31,440
things differently, but they do.

658
00:36:31,679 --> 00:36:34,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like I mean all he's every gym class was,

659
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:38,960
you know, going ramming around and beating on each other.

660
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:40,280
There's no squared dancing.

661
00:36:40,519 --> 00:36:44,719
Speaker 2: No that. It was a great yeah, and I liked

662
00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:49,039
it and it was really I thought perfect for young men.

663
00:36:49,079 --> 00:36:51,360
I really did. I speak very highly of it, and

664
00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:53,559
I now have one in public school that I wouldn't

665
00:36:53,639 --> 00:36:55,440
really put there because I don't know they he can

666
00:36:55,519 --> 00:36:58,639
handle the riggers. I don't know that it was any

667
00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:00,920
It was just a lot. There was a lot of work.

668
00:37:01,039 --> 00:37:04,119
Speaker 3: It is not for everybody, right, it is not for everybody.

669
00:37:04,159 --> 00:37:07,159
And there's a lot of things. My son didn't like

670
00:37:07,159 --> 00:37:11,719
about it after the fact, but that's when he became

671
00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:16,920
you know, went to NYU and mister super intellectual. You know. Now,

672
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:20,079
I'm agnostic and I love my son, but you know,

673
00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:23,960
and I'm not controlling that. You gotta believe in what

674
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:26,079
you gotta believe. I have a couple of friends where

675
00:37:26,119 --> 00:37:29,159
I live that they are trying to beat into their

676
00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:31,719
children that they're going to be Christians and all that,

677
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:35,400
and I'm like, girl, you gonna it's going to blow

678
00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:35,840
up in your.

679
00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:39,800
Speaker 2: Face against Yeah.

680
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:44,960
Speaker 3: And so you know my son and also he didn't.

681
00:37:45,639 --> 00:37:48,920
I don't know. My kids have always been like me,

682
00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:52,320
like individuals and like I'm not. I'm not going to conform.

683
00:37:52,559 --> 00:37:55,159
I'm not everybody's cup of tea. I'm not going to

684
00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:58,280
be you know, the you like me, you like me,

685
00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:01,000
you don't, you don't. I'm not going to be in

686
00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:06,960
I'm not going to be in certain crowds. Okay, you

687
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:08,960
know I will if you want, you know, I will.

688
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:13,519
I'm not railing against them, but like anyway, so I'm

689
00:38:13,559 --> 00:38:17,679
trying to tiptoe around this, you know. Jack by the

690
00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:21,559
end was like I just don't care, right, you know,

691
00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:24,639
and I'm onto bigger and better things and not here

692
00:38:24,639 --> 00:38:28,519
to be prom king right, you know, I'm just here

693
00:38:28,679 --> 00:38:32,440
and you know, and there were people, oh like everybody,

694
00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:35,079
even me. I have the people that liked me in school.

695
00:38:35,079 --> 00:38:37,679
There's people that didn't. I would like that. I don't

696
00:38:37,679 --> 00:38:40,400
ever want to be mean to anybody whatever, but I can't.

697
00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:43,400
I can't help what you think of me. Some people

698
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:46,880
aren't just everybody's cup of tea, right, That's okay?

699
00:38:47,599 --> 00:38:51,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, So what's next? What's next? Another book? Another thing?

700
00:38:52,480 --> 00:39:00,199
Speaker 3: You know? That's funny. I started redoing my book i'd

701
00:39:00,199 --> 00:39:03,360
written and went back and I as you you know,

702
00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:08,599
inspired me. I started. I've been cleaning it up and

703
00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:09,360
as ever.

704
00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:11,639
Speaker 2: Read any of it now and go, holy shit, how

705
00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:14,239
do I get? How did I do that? Yeah?

706
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:17,119
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what I'm doing now. And it's really kind

707
00:39:17,119 --> 00:39:21,679
of that's kind of what inspired that Facebook post.

708
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:25,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, gotcha? I see? Okay, so makes sense.

709
00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:28,119
Speaker 3: So I've been reading all these things that I went

710
00:39:28,199 --> 00:39:31,159
through and part of me is like, oh God, I

711
00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:33,199
don't want to think about that. I got through it.

712
00:39:33,639 --> 00:39:36,039
I don't want to revisit that. But but then part

713
00:39:36,079 --> 00:39:38,719
of me is like, wow, look how far you've come.

714
00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:41,440
Speaker 2: Boy, I bet it sounds to me and I and

715
00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:46,280
just hear me out for a second, almost like reading

716
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:50,360
it and then writing how you feel about it today? Yeah,

717
00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:52,000
like you know what I mean. I just think that

718
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:54,079
would be fascinating.

719
00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:56,639
Speaker 3: Thank you, because that's what I wasn't sure on the

720
00:39:56,679 --> 00:39:59,320
angle to go because it only goes through twenty thirteen

721
00:40:00,119 --> 00:40:02,519
all and I still had that's just to the part

722
00:40:02,559 --> 00:40:05,480
where my son got to college. So it I've got

723
00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:07,920
the whole last ten years of how I got three

724
00:40:08,159 --> 00:40:11,679
kids through college and to be successful. And so I'm

725
00:40:11,679 --> 00:40:14,840
trying to think, how do I write the part two?

726
00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:19,119
How do I do that? And yeah, I wasn't sure

727
00:40:19,119 --> 00:40:21,079
if how to do that because I liked I like

728
00:40:21,159 --> 00:40:21,639
that idea.

729
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:24,199
Speaker 2: Well, that's just going through the old stuff. I wonder

730
00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:27,760
if it even would be at some point interviewing your kids,

731
00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:30,840
how uncomfortable that.

732
00:40:31,199 --> 00:40:35,519
Speaker 3: You know. I think about that all the time. I

733
00:40:35,559 --> 00:40:38,719
want to be respectful to them because they had their

734
00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:40,800
journey and they still hate that word.

735
00:40:41,079 --> 00:40:42,519
Speaker 2: That's journey.

736
00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:48,119
Speaker 3: They had their own path and they and they are

737
00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:51,039
back now to having a relationship with their father.

738
00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:55,079
Speaker 2: Okay, good because he's he.

739
00:40:54,599 --> 00:40:57,159
Speaker 3: He got sober and he started to reappear and they

740
00:40:57,199 --> 00:41:01,119
were freaking out, crying, screaming, Mom, I just got text

741
00:41:01,159 --> 00:41:03,559
from Dad. What do I do? It's like seeing a ghost.

742
00:41:03,639 --> 00:41:07,119
And I kept talking them through it, like what do

743
00:41:07,159 --> 00:41:09,280
you want to do? And a lot of people were

744
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:13,039
telling me like, ooh, fucking don't let that.

745
00:41:14,599 --> 00:41:16,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, let them come to their own conclusion, right, it's

746
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:17,920
not my relationship with.

747
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:21,199
Speaker 3: This exactly, And I kept talking through and the first

748
00:41:21,199 --> 00:41:23,400
one to meet up with him was my son, and

749
00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:27,880
and I hope I'm not telling anything out of turn,

750
00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:29,960
you know, like I worry about my son's thirty. Now

751
00:41:30,199 --> 00:41:32,960
we're kind of but you know, he doesn't know anybody

752
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:36,679
around here anymore, so, so he was the first to

753
00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:39,280
meet up with him. My ex went to New York

754
00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:43,760
City and he kept calling me from his dorm or Yeah.

755
00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:45,519
He was like, Mom, I don't know what to do.

756
00:41:45,559 --> 00:41:47,599
I don't know what to do. And I'm like he's like,

757
00:41:47,639 --> 00:41:49,400
I don't know what to tell dad, I don't know

758
00:41:49,679 --> 00:41:51,039
what I'm gonna do. I don't know if I want

759
00:41:51,079 --> 00:41:52,880
to meet up with them. He's like, one minute, I

760
00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:56,679
do one nut, I don't. I said, those, all those

761
00:41:56,719 --> 00:41:59,519
feelings are valid. You feel all those I said, tell

762
00:41:59,559 --> 00:42:02,559
your dad that. And he goes, yeah, I don't know

763
00:42:02,599 --> 00:42:04,599
if I'm going. I don't know if I'm gonna cry,

764
00:42:04,719 --> 00:42:08,039
throw up or punch him in the face. And I said, yeah,

765
00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:12,280
they're all valid. Tell him that, I said, And he's like,

766
00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:14,440
I don't. I said, tell and also tell him I

767
00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:17,199
don't know. If if I get in there and I

768
00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:20,559
turn around and leave, that might be. That might be

769
00:42:20,639 --> 00:42:23,960
something I do. I'm like, tell him, I said, everything

770
00:42:24,079 --> 00:42:26,960
you feel is valid, and you have the right to

771
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:30,079
tell him to do that. And it's taken a few years,

772
00:42:30,119 --> 00:42:32,960
but they've all, you know, worked through it. I said,

773
00:42:33,159 --> 00:42:37,400
don't don't let him off the hook about anything you know.

774
00:42:37,639 --> 00:42:41,000
Let don't just tell him what you feel. There's no wrong.

775
00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:44,880
Speaker 2: Can I ask you a personal question, absolutely, did you

776
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:46,440
ever do therapy? Oh?

777
00:42:46,519 --> 00:42:48,760
Speaker 3: Hell? Yeah, okay, oh god yes?

778
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:52,280
Speaker 2: Or were you just that wise that to be? I

779
00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:56,000
don't mean that. That's like a really I think very

780
00:42:56,079 --> 00:42:59,519
in tune to your kids to say yeah, I'll be

781
00:42:59,559 --> 00:43:01,559
a sounding board. But I'm not going to tell you

782
00:43:01,599 --> 00:43:03,440
how how to handle that.

783
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:06,199
Speaker 3: That I have to say was on my own, but it,

784
00:43:07,239 --> 00:43:09,920
but it was, but it. But I think therapy lent

785
00:43:10,039 --> 00:43:11,920
to that. I mean I had to go through therapy

786
00:43:12,199 --> 00:43:16,320
or or I would have walked into traffic about eighteen

787
00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:20,400
times over. I'm making jokes about it, but you know.

788
00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:26,679
Speaker 2: I think by leaning forward the Bentley Hood ornament, now.

789
00:43:26,719 --> 00:43:28,639
Speaker 3: I would I wouldn't be that graceful. I went to

790
00:43:28,679 --> 00:43:32,199
step out when the RTS bus was coming and have

791
00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:37,239
it be over with. But yeah, I I had to.

792
00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:40,239
It was for those kids, you know, and I do.

793
00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:44,000
It wasn't It wasn't some sort of like I'm the

794
00:43:44,039 --> 00:43:46,559
main character in a movie. It was just that was

795
00:43:46,599 --> 00:43:49,760
my innate because that's what my mother did. You know.

796
00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:55,320
My my mother was always raising six kids. In the

797
00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:58,559
beginning through my father had a Buick dealership that was

798
00:43:58,599 --> 00:44:00,559
going under and it was up to my mother to

799
00:44:00,599 --> 00:44:03,760
hold ship down. So and she had you know, her

800
00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:06,119
father died, her brother died, a baby died. You know,

801
00:44:06,159 --> 00:44:09,239
it was like so this is my mother was just like, okay,

802
00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:14,000
get through this day. Are y'all fed? Okay? Are you clean?

803
00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:16,719
And that's what I got it from her.

804
00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:20,199
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is just never say never.

805
00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:23,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, I what.

806
00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:26,199
Speaker 2: Would you call yourself? An optimist?

807
00:44:26,719 --> 00:44:27,360
Speaker 3: I am now?

808
00:44:27,719 --> 00:44:28,199
Speaker 2: Yeah?

809
00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:29,719
Speaker 3: Oh yeah I am better.

810
00:44:30,199 --> 00:44:32,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just a better way to be.

811
00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:37,880
Speaker 3: I was your forever and I had it. Luckily, I

812
00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:40,239
had a few people snap me out of it, like

813
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:43,199
get the fuck over yourself, that's literally what they said

814
00:44:43,239 --> 00:44:43,639
to Yeah.

815
00:44:43,679 --> 00:44:46,800
Speaker 2: Well, the pity party is great for a minute a minute,

816
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:47,960
then you got to get up and do it.

817
00:44:48,079 --> 00:44:51,400
Speaker 3: And you know, then I want to speaking of that,

818
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:54,400
I was rereading this book and I was reading about

819
00:44:54,599 --> 00:44:57,679
times that I would go on dates. Yeah, and I

820
00:44:57,760 --> 00:45:00,719
was like I can't ever make anything go And I'm

821
00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:05,320
reading it and I'm like, shit, I wouldn't date me. God,

822
00:45:05,480 --> 00:45:09,079
you are depressing as fut you know.

823
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:12,760
Speaker 2: It was like, this would be a great it would

824
00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:14,920
be a great podcast series for you to go through

825
00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:16,679
the book. It would be funny to do an audio

826
00:45:16,719 --> 00:45:19,320
book with your commentary. Now I think it's fascinating.

827
00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:23,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you. I I can make fun of it now.

828
00:45:25,079 --> 00:45:28,320
But you know, hindsight, Yeah, it's so funny Bill that

829
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:30,840
you say that, because I've thought about all those angles,

830
00:45:31,519 --> 00:45:34,559
Like when I first started my podcast, I'm like, I'm

831
00:45:34,599 --> 00:45:38,440
going to take a chapter or a story out of

832
00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:42,480
my book each week, and and I just don't think

833
00:45:42,519 --> 00:45:45,639
I went about it right. I think I was trying

834
00:45:45,679 --> 00:45:50,239
to go about it to like clinically, Oh I see,

835
00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:53,840
you know, like, yeah, dealing with change, this is what

836
00:45:53,880 --> 00:45:56,400
we do. And now I think if I went back

837
00:45:56,400 --> 00:45:58,800
and told stories, I'm far enough removed from it.

838
00:46:01,039 --> 00:46:03,800
Speaker 2: You see it through a different lens. Yeah, yeah, I

839
00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:06,840
think that's true. I think also with anything you do,

840
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:09,800
you get better the more reps you do. I don't

841
00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:11,840
care what it is. So the more times you do

842
00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:14,639
the podcast, now you get this rhythm and you start

843
00:46:14,639 --> 00:46:16,360
to seeing and go, I didn't do it right, but

844
00:46:16,559 --> 00:46:19,880
it's not done. Do it again, right, there's no wrong.

845
00:46:20,199 --> 00:46:23,599
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, I want to, you know, because I think

846
00:46:24,079 --> 00:46:27,079
sometimes in this world now, especially since I have young

847
00:46:27,199 --> 00:46:31,079
kids and and they're very social media savvy, and they're

848
00:46:31,079 --> 00:46:34,719
all like they'll come home on a holiday and they'll

849
00:46:34,719 --> 00:46:38,159
be speaking a language I don't even understand because it's

850
00:46:38,239 --> 00:46:42,719
just like catchphrases from tiktoks, but it's like really esoteric shit.

851
00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:45,480
Like my kids are like really intellectual, and I'm like,

852
00:46:45,559 --> 00:46:48,920
oh my god, Like the one they did forever. And

853
00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:51,639
this isn't even that esoteric, but did you ever know

854
00:46:51,679 --> 00:46:56,320
that bang bong? It was this guy who he was

855
00:46:56,400 --> 00:46:59,039
just some really New York City guy and he walk

856
00:46:59,079 --> 00:47:02,679
around saying, Hey, but you know, go, I don't know.

857
00:47:02,719 --> 00:47:05,519
There's all these catchphrases, but at the end of everything,

858
00:47:05,599 --> 00:47:09,000
he'd go bang bong And that's the sound that the

859
00:47:09,039 --> 00:47:11,320
subway makes when the door's about closed.

860
00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:16,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, it meant the conversation is over right, So that boring.

861
00:47:17,079 --> 00:47:19,719
Speaker 3: So then my kids, yeah, speak this. So I've been

862
00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:23,639
very so I went off to tag it. Oh but

863
00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:26,079
my rides here the talk boats.

864
00:47:26,079 --> 00:47:26,880
Speaker 2: Do you know what that is?

865
00:47:27,159 --> 00:47:30,719
Speaker 3: Noise is that the tug boat bridge is going up.

866
00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:38,199
Speaker 2: So Fairport voted to keep that. It's an emergency. That's

867
00:47:38,239 --> 00:47:41,920
how they used to call the volunteers or or whoever, right,

868
00:47:41,960 --> 00:47:44,679
so they have the horn. Well, now everybody's on an

869
00:47:44,719 --> 00:47:47,599
electronic leash, so to speak, right, so you can get there,

870
00:47:47,679 --> 00:47:49,960
so there's no need for that. They decided to keep it.

871
00:47:50,320 --> 00:47:53,079
Speaker 3: That is so funny because they have that. They have

872
00:47:53,199 --> 00:47:55,400
that in Dunkirk too. It was how they would call

873
00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:59,880
out to the volunteer environment. Yes, and I live right near.

874
00:48:00,159 --> 00:48:02,719
It's like the town of dunker kept it and I'm

875
00:48:02,719 --> 00:48:05,480
miss I'm in the city, but the town is just

876
00:48:05,719 --> 00:48:11,440
that way. And yeah, I'll everyone's only hear this, and

877
00:48:11,480 --> 00:48:15,119
I'm like, oh god, who you know who? Yeah? Which

878
00:48:15,119 --> 00:48:17,039
one of my who do I know that got a

879
00:48:17,079 --> 00:48:20,039
du I know, No, that's terrible. I shouldn't make choice.

880
00:48:20,559 --> 00:48:23,800
But anyway, the social media stuff, you know, first, I

881
00:48:23,840 --> 00:48:27,679
got really discouraged because I'm like, look at this idiot

882
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:30,360
is a TikTok star. I should be famous right now?

883
00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:32,519
Why am I not getting thousands of views? And I

884
00:48:32,599 --> 00:48:36,280
was so focused on that. You know, you think this

885
00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:40,840
should should happen overnight. But but I'm with you, where like,

886
00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:43,079
you just have to keep doing it and find your groove.

887
00:48:43,400 --> 00:48:49,719
And now I've tried to focus less on views and likes.

888
00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:52,360
And although it would help subscribe to Imagine, you did.

889
00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:55,519
Speaker 2: Right here, subscribe to Imagine. Check out the podcast. It

890
00:48:55,599 --> 00:48:58,360
is really really good. But I would I would say

891
00:48:58,519 --> 00:49:02,280
too that going along with that same thing, take that

892
00:49:02,320 --> 00:49:04,880
same philosophy of I don't care what anybody's opinion is.

893
00:49:05,039 --> 00:49:12,199
Just you know, I will say when in radio, at

894
00:49:12,199 --> 00:49:16,039
the end of the day, you never had anything tangible. Yeah,

895
00:49:16,159 --> 00:49:19,639
you know, what I mean. And so I find real

896
00:49:19,679 --> 00:49:24,639
satisfaction in building something. Yeah, right, at the end of

897
00:49:24,639 --> 00:49:26,920
the day, even if I fucked it up putting up

898
00:49:26,920 --> 00:49:29,559
a new door in the house, I did it. I

899
00:49:29,599 --> 00:49:33,039
did it. And Radio you got your results three months later,

900
00:49:33,079 --> 00:49:35,400
and this and then. So there was always that thing

901
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:37,639
with me, and I liked that other side of things.

902
00:49:37,679 --> 00:49:40,519
And I think even here with your podcast, now you

903
00:49:40,679 --> 00:49:43,119
kind of have something right. There's a recording, you get

904
00:49:43,119 --> 00:49:44,800
to hear it back, you can edit it. It's a

905
00:49:44,840 --> 00:49:47,800
little more tangible than just out into the ether and

906
00:49:47,840 --> 00:49:50,840
never to be heard again. And I think that to

907
00:49:51,039 --> 00:49:53,599
just do it for the satisfaction of you, and I

908
00:49:53,719 --> 00:49:58,039
swear to God, Madge, that'll be all the difference. I

909
00:49:58,119 --> 00:49:59,880
really do think that you got a lot to say,

910
00:50:00,519 --> 00:50:02,639
you got a lot to teach. Yeah, I think you

911
00:50:02,719 --> 00:50:03,519
got a lot to teach.

912
00:50:03,639 --> 00:50:07,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you. I I started being a little more

913
00:50:08,360 --> 00:50:10,519
vulnerable like that on TikTok too.

914
00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:11,000
Speaker 2: Yeah.

915
00:50:11,199 --> 00:50:14,440
Speaker 3: And and people are like, oh my god, you're a

916
00:50:14,440 --> 00:50:16,440
breath of fresh air, you know.

917
00:50:18,039 --> 00:50:18,719
Speaker 2: Isn't that great?

918
00:50:20,199 --> 00:50:23,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's amazing, it does, you know. But but deep

919
00:50:23,400 --> 00:50:25,920
down inside of me, I got father Walters saying, yeah,

920
00:50:26,079 --> 00:50:26,840
nothing special.

921
00:50:28,039 --> 00:50:30,000
Speaker 2: Why do I do that. I know, what did I

922
00:50:30,159 --> 00:50:31,639
do that? Did you ever have?

923
00:50:31,719 --> 00:50:33,480
Speaker 3: I mean I had to flogged myself.

924
00:50:34,119 --> 00:50:36,320
Speaker 2: There's a I think I was told you need to

925
00:50:36,360 --> 00:50:39,800
have your head examined. Oh did you ever get those?

926
00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:46,719
Speaker 3: Actually? Had? I actually had my second grade teacher call

927
00:50:47,519 --> 00:50:51,960
my mother and tell her that I was a junior devil,

928
00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:54,039
A junior devil, junior devil.

929
00:50:54,559 --> 00:50:55,920
Speaker 2: How do you get up in the right now?

930
00:50:56,199 --> 00:50:58,239
Speaker 3: That was me. I was like, how can I get

931
00:50:58,480 --> 00:51:01,400
move up the ranks? And m can I become the

932
00:51:01,480 --> 00:51:04,360
senior the regional director Lucifer?

933
00:51:06,840 --> 00:51:07,039
Speaker 4: You know?

934
00:51:07,599 --> 00:51:08,119
Speaker 3: Yeah?

935
00:51:08,320 --> 00:51:15,000
Speaker 2: And you always wonder why were those people around kids? Kids?

936
00:51:15,559 --> 00:51:18,280
I don't get it well, because why.

937
00:51:18,119 --> 00:51:21,039
Speaker 3: Does anybody do anything full circle back to our original

938
00:51:21,079 --> 00:51:24,320
thing to feel better about themselves, take out their anger

939
00:51:24,719 --> 00:51:30,159
and someone smaller, less less or that's not gonna you know.

940
00:51:30,400 --> 00:51:32,519
Speaker 2: I would always think you'd want to be around kids

941
00:51:32,559 --> 00:51:35,559
because you can learn stuff, you can see stuff. They're

942
00:51:35,599 --> 00:51:37,599
a little freer than the rest of us. They don't

943
00:51:37,599 --> 00:51:39,840
have all the bullshit in their head yet.

944
00:51:39,679 --> 00:51:42,199
Speaker 3: I know. And I was just challenge on the other

945
00:51:42,280 --> 00:51:46,440
day that, like somebody was bitching about, you know, we

946
00:51:46,519 --> 00:51:50,400
have the star exemption and that's if you don't have

947
00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:52,920
any anybody in school at the moment with you don't

948
00:51:52,920 --> 00:51:55,239
have to pay the school tax or reduce text or

949
00:51:55,239 --> 00:51:58,360
whatever the hell it is. And I actually had saw

950
00:51:58,360 --> 00:52:01,760
somebody online justing and bitching and bitching about why do

951
00:52:01,840 --> 00:52:04,639
we have to pay that we don't. I'm like, who

952
00:52:04,639 --> 00:52:09,639
do you think is gonna sustain this community? Do you want?

953
00:52:10,159 --> 00:52:13,039
You know, we need to keep bringing kids into school,

954
00:52:13,199 --> 00:52:15,760
and your money has to do it because they're gonna

955
00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:19,360
take care of your ass. They're gonna they're gonna govern

956
00:52:19,440 --> 00:52:22,239
your ass, they're gonna lead you, they're gonna be your doctor,

957
00:52:22,280 --> 00:52:24,559
they're gonna be and I just and they have so

958
00:52:24,719 --> 00:52:28,159
much to teach you. You can learn from anybody and

959
00:52:28,239 --> 00:52:31,320
you walk away. You can even learn from the person

960
00:52:31,360 --> 00:52:34,400
that's been the biggest asshole on the face of the earth.

961
00:52:35,079 --> 00:52:37,679
And you know, like, that's what I want to be

962
00:52:37,719 --> 00:52:41,519
a social influencer. Influencer. I want to influence people to

963
00:52:41,679 --> 00:52:44,880
not be an asshole. That's what I want to do.

964
00:52:45,400 --> 00:52:49,079
So why would you You can learn from anybody?

965
00:52:49,280 --> 00:52:52,639
Speaker 2: Why do you what do you do? I think that's

966
00:52:52,679 --> 00:52:56,599
a great umbrella to get under. I really do teaching

967
00:52:56,639 --> 00:52:59,599
you not how not to be an asshole a in TikTok,

968
00:52:59,679 --> 00:53:02,400
like it's like raw etiquette.

969
00:53:02,719 --> 00:53:06,519
Speaker 3: Yeah, I just love this be a decent human being

970
00:53:06,599 --> 00:53:10,840
for God's sake. I just don't, you know. That's what

971
00:53:10,920 --> 00:53:12,760
I said at the end of that post, is like,

972
00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:16,079
it's you know, some of you, you know, it's it's

973
00:53:16,559 --> 00:53:19,079
shaden freud that you is that hy pronounce it?

974
00:53:19,760 --> 00:53:20,920
Speaker 2: I know what you mean, sean freud.

975
00:53:21,719 --> 00:53:24,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, and and that you know, you get your joy

976
00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:28,400
from somebody else's somebody else's misery or making them feel

977
00:53:28,440 --> 00:53:30,159
like shit. And then but then I said, some of

978
00:53:30,159 --> 00:53:32,760
these people just will never be happy. And I've noticed

979
00:53:32,800 --> 00:53:35,000
it after this the election, even if you're on the

980
00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:39,320
winning side, they just are like just trying, you know,

981
00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:44,159
gloating and still going on about the other candidate. It's like,

982
00:53:44,800 --> 00:53:47,760
you one, you don't have to worry about. Why are

983
00:53:47,760 --> 00:53:50,440
we still complaining about this person? You know, the people

984
00:53:50,519 --> 00:53:53,719
have spoken and all that, blah blah blah. And so

985
00:53:55,360 --> 00:53:57,239
I just went off on a tangent. What was I

986
00:53:57,360 --> 00:54:00,519
talking about? Oh, but you know so of these people

987
00:54:00,599 --> 00:54:02,679
are just are just never going to be happy.

988
00:54:02,800 --> 00:54:03,320
Speaker 2: No, they're not.

989
00:54:03,480 --> 00:54:08,800
Speaker 3: And and if somebody that I can't completely help you,

990
00:54:09,320 --> 00:54:11,480
if you got so much deep sea to grab your

991
00:54:11,960 --> 00:54:14,960
then you need meds and therapy and anger management. But

992
00:54:15,519 --> 00:54:17,639
maybe if there's somebody that's on the fence that I

993
00:54:17,639 --> 00:54:21,119
can just say, God, just you can. You can be

994
00:54:21,280 --> 00:54:25,079
your own happiness and part and and that starts with

995
00:54:25,199 --> 00:54:26,480
you not being a dick.

996
00:54:26,760 --> 00:54:30,400
Speaker 2: I always think that I'll take it to social media

997
00:54:30,519 --> 00:54:33,920
with kids and the fact that you know, parents would go, wow,

998
00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:35,920
how do I get them off this? Or how do

999
00:54:35,960 --> 00:54:38,000
I the one thing you're never going to put the

1000
00:54:38,039 --> 00:54:40,039
social media genie back in the bottle. And a kid's

1001
00:54:40,159 --> 00:54:42,519
job is to always try to do what you don't

1002
00:54:42,559 --> 00:54:44,360
want them to do. That's sort of the cat and

1003
00:54:44,440 --> 00:54:47,519
mouse game that was developed by nature. But what you

1004
00:54:47,559 --> 00:54:50,039
can do is build self esteem in the kid. And

1005
00:54:50,079 --> 00:54:53,800
it's not telling them they're great. It's by when they

1006
00:54:53,840 --> 00:54:56,480
do something great, going God, do it again, how good

1007
00:54:56,519 --> 00:55:00,400
does that feel? And tap into that because the if

1008
00:55:00,440 --> 00:55:04,039
you start to get yourself worth from inside instead of outside,

1009
00:55:04,320 --> 00:55:07,039
get a greater chance of not following the crowd you

1010
00:55:07,079 --> 00:55:09,119
know what I'm saying, or doing something that would be

1011
00:55:09,480 --> 00:55:10,559
potentially dangerous.

1012
00:55:11,079 --> 00:55:15,519
Speaker 3: It's also teaching your child critical thinking skills. And that's

1013
00:55:15,519 --> 00:55:17,480
what I tried to do with my kids. Again. I

1014
00:55:17,519 --> 00:55:20,079
know people that are like they want to control every

1015
00:55:20,119 --> 00:55:23,920
single aspect of what their kid, you know, does see

1016
00:55:24,079 --> 00:55:28,159
smells here or whatever. And and they they won't, you know,

1017
00:55:28,360 --> 00:55:31,519
won't let them have what do they call it out

1018
00:55:31,519 --> 00:55:36,000
screen time, you know, and don't I don't want to

1019
00:55:36,360 --> 00:55:38,039
going to be They don't want them in public school

1020
00:55:38,079 --> 00:55:41,639
because they'll be around this And there's like, how does

1021
00:55:41,679 --> 00:55:46,039
your kid know what happens when they are they going

1022
00:55:46,119 --> 00:55:49,679
to stay in their room voluntire? Right? You know, how

1023
00:55:49,679 --> 00:55:52,559
does this? This kid's gonna have to realize how to

1024
00:55:52,599 --> 00:55:57,960
deal with people that aren't exactly like them in their life,

1025
00:55:58,079 --> 00:56:00,519
so you might as well teach them how. Guys, I mean,

1026
00:56:00,559 --> 00:56:05,719
even if even if even if they're okay, they're not

1027
00:56:05,760 --> 00:56:09,239
gonna work for somebody, maybe they're gonna do their own work.

1028
00:56:09,280 --> 00:56:13,599
They're gonna have you have to interact with people at

1029
00:56:13,639 --> 00:56:14,079
some point.

1030
00:56:14,159 --> 00:56:17,679
Speaker 2: Yes, social skills are something that is very Also, it's just.

1031
00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:20,920
Speaker 3: Being a good fucking human being, you know.

1032
00:56:21,400 --> 00:56:27,239
Speaker 2: I And and I'm gonna call that this episode that

1033
00:56:27,920 --> 00:56:30,719
just being a good fucking human being. Yeah, I like that.

1034
00:56:30,760 --> 00:56:35,360
I'm all about T Shirt needs some imagine muted swag

1035
00:56:35,440 --> 00:56:38,159
that says that I really think. So I think that's great.

1036
00:56:38,760 --> 00:56:41,639
Speaker 3: Yeah, because that's what I'm that's what I'm all about.

1037
00:56:41,920 --> 00:56:46,239
Speaker 2: Well, I have my fourteen year old son's phone broke,

1038
00:56:46,880 --> 00:56:50,039
so he's been without the phone, and we're I was

1039
00:56:50,079 --> 00:56:51,920
looking at getting them one last week and then I

1040
00:56:52,039 --> 00:56:56,639
noticed he's a little it's a little cooler without the

1041
00:56:56,719 --> 00:56:59,000
phone to me. Oh, you know what I'm saying. And

1042
00:56:59,039 --> 00:57:02,440
so I said, we'll look at some things. We'll have

1043
00:57:02,480 --> 00:57:05,800
our drop dead date be Friday if something thing doesn't

1044
00:57:05,840 --> 00:57:08,599
come about, because there's other people involved in this. And

1045
00:57:08,639 --> 00:57:11,400
then and I said, we'll figure something because I think

1046
00:57:11,440 --> 00:57:13,199
you need the phone, but boy, not to have that

1047
00:57:13,280 --> 00:57:16,480
constant social I mean, it is twenty four to seven.

1048
00:57:16,320 --> 00:57:21,000
Speaker 3: You know. I've yeah, I've been on kind of self

1049
00:57:21,000 --> 00:57:24,599
imposed like stay what you keep subjecting yourself to that,

1050
00:57:24,920 --> 00:57:28,320
and it's that's not healthy for you. No, it's not.

1051
00:57:28,559 --> 00:57:32,360
Don't look at it. You're like, you're beating yourself up

1052
00:57:32,400 --> 00:57:34,719
by doing this. I read an article. I don't know

1053
00:57:34,719 --> 00:57:38,559
how true this is, that there's a trend that people

1054
00:57:38,719 --> 00:57:41,280
are going to like non smartphones.

1055
00:57:43,119 --> 00:57:45,840
Speaker 2: I think I've heard that. I didn't read anything, but

1056
00:57:45,880 --> 00:57:49,039
I've heard that. I just like back to flip phones.

1057
00:57:48,800 --> 00:57:51,760
Speaker 3: Or yeah, yeah, just an android whatever, just so that

1058
00:57:51,840 --> 00:57:54,519
they don't have that constant Yeah.

1059
00:57:55,280 --> 00:57:57,400
Speaker 2: I know, but what would you do in a waiting room.

1060
00:57:57,199 --> 00:57:59,360
Speaker 3: Now, I know exactly.

1061
00:57:59,599 --> 00:58:01,840
Speaker 2: You can't touch the magazines for all those.

1062
00:58:01,960 --> 00:58:07,840
Speaker 3: Pad I know you have kind some claroc wipes, Clarox

1063
00:58:07,840 --> 00:58:11,800
wipes before I go in here. But but also though, now,

1064
00:58:12,760 --> 00:58:16,320
if you're a business person that we kind on that

1065
00:58:16,400 --> 00:58:19,440
online world, especially with what we do, and you know

1066
00:58:20,159 --> 00:58:24,519
you depend on that. So it's just don't don't get

1067
00:58:24,559 --> 00:58:26,920
on the other stuff that you know is gonna you know,

1068
00:58:26,960 --> 00:58:31,000
he's gonna. Oh here's another quick thing. I had a

1069
00:58:31,039 --> 00:58:33,159
good it's just think it. Don't do shit that you

1070
00:58:33,159 --> 00:58:34,159
know is going to bother you.

1071
00:58:34,599 --> 00:58:35,679
Speaker 2: Like we're inside your head.

1072
00:58:38,039 --> 00:58:43,000
Speaker 3: It's like freaking racketball going on in there. I was

1073
00:58:43,159 --> 00:58:48,239
dating a guy that this was like ten twelve plus twelve,

1074
00:58:48,320 --> 00:58:51,519
thirteen years ago. I was dating a guy and he

1075
00:58:51,719 --> 00:58:54,840
wanted to he wanted to have he wanted to act

1076
00:58:54,920 --> 00:58:56,679
like he was having a relationship with me, but he

1077
00:58:56,760 --> 00:59:01,360
still wanted to stop other people. Okay, so he wouldn't commit.

1078
00:59:01,440 --> 00:59:04,840
And I was working myself up over that, and so

1079
00:59:05,119 --> 00:59:07,960
every once in a while I would you know, on

1080
00:59:08,000 --> 00:59:11,000
a Saturday night, I would go out to Wegmans and

1081
00:59:11,000 --> 00:59:13,039
then I would take the detour to go past his

1082
00:59:13,199 --> 00:59:16,039
house to see if there was a car there, and

1083
00:59:16,079 --> 00:59:19,079
when I did, I would go ape shit in my head,

1084
00:59:19,199 --> 00:59:21,440
not out to him or anything. I had all this

1085
00:59:21,519 --> 00:59:24,159
anxiety and she's like, you know, how did you feel

1086
00:59:24,159 --> 00:59:27,239
when you saw that whatever? And I'm like terrible, and

1087
00:59:27,239 --> 00:59:31,320
she's like, we don't do that. They're like, what do

1088
00:59:31,320 --> 00:59:33,840
you mean You gotta know, and she's like no, if

1089
00:59:33,840 --> 00:59:37,760
you know, yeah, if you know, you're gonna be why

1090
00:59:37,760 --> 00:59:41,079
bother just assume it's going on or deal with it

1091
00:59:41,119 --> 00:59:43,760
that it is going on, and don't don't do that.

1092
00:59:43,840 --> 00:59:46,559
You're just working yourself up. So that was another thing

1093
00:59:46,800 --> 00:59:48,599
that oh it's not.

1094
00:59:48,800 --> 00:59:52,440
Speaker 2: That is really hard to do in those kinds of situations.

1095
00:59:52,519 --> 00:59:55,480
That's where it's the toughest because you do have you

1096
00:59:55,519 --> 00:59:58,639
do assume, and then your mind runs, oh yeah, and

1097
00:59:58,679 --> 01:00:01,320
you get into all kinds of scenario and then you

1098
01:00:01,400 --> 01:00:05,079
picture yourself maybe even like barging up to the door.

1099
01:00:05,159 --> 01:00:07,559
You'll never do it, but in your head, there's this

1100
01:00:07,599 --> 01:00:09,239
whole movie that's going.

1101
01:00:09,000 --> 01:00:12,599
Speaker 3: On exactly, and the only the one it is good

1102
01:00:12,679 --> 01:00:16,400
one time, like if say, like me and my marriage,

1103
01:00:16,440 --> 01:00:18,679
like I knew something was going on, and he kept

1104
01:00:18,679 --> 01:00:21,039
denying it, and I was like, okay, I just need

1105
01:00:21,039 --> 01:00:25,840
that proof. And I found a note and then I

1106
01:00:25,880 --> 01:00:30,880
felt so much relief. Oh really, like oh my god, Okay,

1107
01:00:31,000 --> 01:00:34,280
she's like, hi, I love you. Yeah, and I was

1108
01:00:34,320 --> 01:00:36,880
like really and I was like laughing when I gave

1109
01:00:36,920 --> 01:00:40,199
it to him. Oh and I literally said, who's fucking

1110
01:00:40,280 --> 01:00:43,159
crazy now? Because he kept that's what's his response to me.

1111
01:00:43,920 --> 01:00:48,400
And so but like that was the end of it.

1112
01:00:48,519 --> 01:00:51,360
I'm like, I got my proof. I don't need to

1113
01:00:51,519 --> 01:00:55,800
dwell on this anymore. So luckily I had that. But yeah,

1114
01:00:55,840 --> 01:00:59,519
the other one, I think I was just like misplaced anxiety.

1115
01:01:00,039 --> 01:01:01,039
Let's get pissed off this.

1116
01:01:01,480 --> 01:01:05,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, sure, you're probably right in saying that. That's probably

1117
01:01:05,559 --> 01:01:08,320
true because there's an awful lot of stuff that you

1118
01:01:08,400 --> 01:01:10,239
had a right to be pissed off about, but you

1119
01:01:11,000 --> 01:01:11,679
just did it.

1120
01:01:12,360 --> 01:01:15,039
Speaker 3: And that that was another big thing I always try

1121
01:01:15,079 --> 01:01:19,679
not to do, is don't don't give somebody your misplaced

1122
01:01:19,719 --> 01:01:24,920
anger because just like I learned that like in business,

1123
01:01:24,960 --> 01:01:26,800
but I try and do it in everything in life.

1124
01:01:26,840 --> 01:01:32,079
Say it's like you're you work at a store and

1125
01:01:34,079 --> 01:01:36,719
or say you're going into a store and you're really

1126
01:01:36,800 --> 01:01:39,280
angry and you take it out on the cash here

1127
01:01:40,039 --> 01:01:41,760
they had absolutely nothing.

1128
01:01:42,239 --> 01:01:45,239
Speaker 2: Don't don't do that, but you can nowadays you might

1129
01:01:45,280 --> 01:01:50,679
go viral. Yeah really on your own but yeah, really,

1130
01:01:51,079 --> 01:01:53,079
but you're right, that is it's like a peach.

1131
01:01:55,519 --> 01:02:00,239
Speaker 3: So but yeah, but especially with people you love, like

1132
01:02:00,320 --> 01:02:04,840
I learned my relationships going forward, it's like, I'm not

1133
01:02:05,280 --> 01:02:09,400
gonna take all my shit out on this person because

1134
01:02:11,000 --> 01:02:14,360
well unless they deserved it. No, you know what I mean.

1135
01:02:14,519 --> 01:02:17,239
Speaker 2: Yes, I know you're speaking.

1136
01:02:16,880 --> 01:02:18,239
Speaker 3: Because I had somebody do it to me.

1137
01:02:18,480 --> 01:02:20,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're speaking in the language that I am all

1138
01:02:20,760 --> 01:02:25,519
too familiar with and probably myself have done. And once

1139
01:02:25,559 --> 01:02:27,880
you start to recognize it, you know, and you go,

1140
01:02:28,719 --> 01:02:31,760
I always think this life would be nothing if you

1141
01:02:31,760 --> 01:02:34,159
didn't have the contrast to know what you don't want

1142
01:02:34,559 --> 01:02:36,480
and know what you do want. Right, So you need

1143
01:02:36,519 --> 01:02:39,800
that contrast, and even in your behavior, you never get

1144
01:02:39,800 --> 01:02:42,440
it necessarily wrong. Maybe you heard somebody along the way.

1145
01:02:42,599 --> 01:02:46,280
Apologies that are sincere are said once and then you

1146
01:02:46,320 --> 01:02:48,920
don't do the behavior again. That's a real apology. This

1147
01:02:49,079 --> 01:02:52,519
constant apology shit. Okay, yeah, it's time to walk away

1148
01:02:52,559 --> 01:02:55,039
from that. But the rest of it, I don't know.

1149
01:02:55,440 --> 01:02:59,159
You're fascinating. I had no idea. I had no idea.

1150
01:02:59,239 --> 01:03:01,840
I really didn't. I feel bad about that because I

1151
01:03:01,880 --> 01:03:04,360
think that there's a lot a lot of value there,

1152
01:03:04,480 --> 01:03:07,280
you know that. And I get on that Madge Unmuted

1153
01:03:07,360 --> 01:03:11,840
weekly bi weekly, by weekly okay, yeah, but every two

1154
01:03:11,880 --> 01:03:15,239
weeks a new episode comes out. Yeah yeah, and it's everywhere.

1155
01:03:16,079 --> 01:03:19,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean where you can watch the video on YouTube,

1156
01:03:19,840 --> 01:03:23,119
and I also have Madge muted dot com. Okay, you

1157
01:03:23,119 --> 01:03:26,039
can go on there. But and then the audio is everywhere,

1158
01:03:26,440 --> 01:03:28,119
Spreaker to Spotify.

1159
01:03:27,679 --> 01:03:30,360
Speaker 2: I heeart Apple. Yeah good, so that's good.

1160
01:03:30,519 --> 01:03:32,280
Speaker 3: Wherever you buy your finer podcast.

1161
01:03:33,639 --> 01:03:36,400
Speaker 2: We'll get on and Madge Unmuted and thank you for

1162
01:03:36,440 --> 01:03:38,599
coming in. I'd love to do this again with you

1163
01:03:38,719 --> 01:03:41,199
sometimes I would too, and I can do it remote

1164
01:03:41,280 --> 01:03:41,639
or anything.

1165
01:03:41,719 --> 01:03:46,719
Speaker 3: Yeah. I think we have such a great rapport. I feel,

1166
01:03:47,320 --> 01:03:52,880
you know what, because I was watching and somebody said

1167
01:03:52,880 --> 01:03:54,360
this to me. They were watching it, and they're like,

1168
01:03:54,840 --> 01:03:58,119
you seem so jazzed when you were talking about stuff,

1169
01:03:58,159 --> 01:04:01,519
especially like the music stuff like the Quincy Jones, and

1170
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we were just because that went on about philosophy and

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life and it's just I really, I really enjoyed it.

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Speaker 2: I like I do too, I do too. I always

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like that stuff, you know. And uh, dick jokes are great,

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I'm not going to say, but to have a little

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more sometimes is nice. And up the path man or

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what is the overstated term journey? The journey you've been on? Damn, lady,

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that is something.

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Speaker 3: It's still going good, It's still it's still going. I

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gotta my next My next step is to somehow have

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a part time residence near my kids.

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Speaker 2: And where are they? Mostly in New York? Are they

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all in New York City?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? The two girls live together in Stamford, Connecticut?

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Speaker 2: Ok?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and which you know, and then my son lives

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in Queens and so yeah, two of them.

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Speaker 2: West Chester is nice?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? Are you gonna pay my rent? Are you gonna

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buy me a house? Bill?

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Speaker 2: Is nice? Is it's a little more nor my mom

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lives there.

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Speaker 3: I've looked in the whole. I have a couple of

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friends that live in Kingston and they are coolest people.

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Speaker 2: You're right by Woodstock, Yeah, right there? Yeah, that's where

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my mom.

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Speaker 3: Lives, right. I mean, the one guy's a friend of

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mine from high school.

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Speaker 4: Uh.

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Speaker 3: The plays in a band called Mercury Rev. Don't you

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know if I ever heard that, they're very they one

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of David Bowie's favorite bands. They've been really well, yeah cool.

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And Sean lives up there, the Calm Grasshopper and so

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he's just a really avant garde guy and he lives there.

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I'm like, hey, it's good enough for him, you know.

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Speaker 2: So yeah that every time.

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Speaker 3: I go there, I feel alive.

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Speaker 2: Literally, I feel that would be like just far enough

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away from the kids, but.

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Speaker 3: Not exactly you know what I'm saying, to be up

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their ass.

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Speaker 2: No, you don't want to turn a corner. Hey, yeah,

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everybody needs a little bit, but you're much closer than

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you are here. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: It's like if you want to come over Forday dinner

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or whatever, or you want to invite mom out for drinks,

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it's like their kids or their kids their friends all

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are like, when's your mom come?

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Speaker 2: So you're that mom, that's an honor.

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Speaker 3: It's just because I like, I know all the words

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to all the songs. I'm singing the rap songs, and

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I just they're like, we love Madge.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Well that's the way it should be. I think

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that the King scenario you'd really like. Yeah, it's it's nice.

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It's beautiful to all the mountain you know, the Catskills

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really rolling.

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Speaker 3: Oh, I have some what town were you from?

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Speaker 2: So? I my mom lives in Rhyinebeck now, but I'm

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from Clinton Corners and I went to high school in

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Pine Plains.

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Speaker 3: Oh okay, I have really good friends that have been

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living in Pleasantville.

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Speaker 2: Is it pleasant Valley? No?

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Speaker 3: Pleasantville?

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Speaker 2: I don't know if I know pleasant I think pleasant Field.

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Speaker 3: It's near Pearl River.

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Speaker 2: M then maybe a little further south.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, yeah.

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Speaker 2: More Pleasantville. I think Pleasantville is really close to the

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Westchester area, isn't that?

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Speaker 3: Yes?

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01:07:17,679 --> 01:07:24,039
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, and maybe even more expensive if I remember.

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All right, we'll wrap it up. Madge. Go to Madge

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on Muta. Check out Madge on muta dot com. Can

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you get links right there at imagine muter dot com

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all the podcasts?

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01:07:37,280 --> 01:07:41,639
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, there it's embedded. You can watch it right there, because.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, check it out again. Look, so look for the yeah,

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look on all the social media. Look for the book

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When Life Gives You Lemons.

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Speaker 3: At least I love that title.

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Speaker 2: And uh, look for all the future projects that match

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is going to be doing. When she becomes a hippie,

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it moves to Woodstock.

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Speaker 3: I'll be a hippie. I'll go back to my punk days.

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Speaker 2: There you go.

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Speaker 3: I'll go back to shaving the size of my head.

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Speaker 2: All right. For Madge Madigan from Madge on Mute and

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I'm Bill Moran. We'll see you Monday. He got Worth

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is a land up opportunity for me is just a

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cursey till that judge and make us feel the wag