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<v Speaker 1>Big Brother. Have you ever heard of the concept. It's

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<v Speaker 1>a conspiracy theory involving governmental surveillance of its people listening

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<v Speaker 1>in and watching. In a totalitarian society, there is no

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<v Speaker 1>hiding and there's no escaping. This, of course, is just

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<v Speaker 1>a conspiracy theory. Today, though, we are going to put

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<v Speaker 1>big Brother to the test. One man by the name

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<v Speaker 1>of Brian Schaeffer would be seen on security camera entering

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<v Speaker 1>a bar with his friends, but the security camera never

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<v Speaker 1>sees him leave, and no one has ever seen him since. Warning.

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<v Speaker 1>The following podcast contains graphic content and material intended for

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<v Speaker 1>a mature audience.

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<v Speaker 2>Listener discretion is advised.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, how's it going.

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<v Speaker 2>My name's Ben and I'm Nicole and you're listening to Wicked.

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<v Speaker 1>And Grim true crime podcast. What's up?

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<v Speaker 2>Woo who? It sounds like this is gonna be a

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<v Speaker 2>doozy one.

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<v Speaker 1>You think so?

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<v Speaker 2>I think so?

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<v Speaker 1>What about it about it makes you say it's going

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<v Speaker 1>to be a doozy?

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<v Speaker 2>It already has my mind going a mile a minute.

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<v Speaker 1>We join the club, let's put it that way. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>before we dive into details, So we got some stuff

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<v Speaker 1>to talk about. Of course, we're gonna start off with

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<v Speaker 1>our lovely patrons, shall we.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we have quite a few this week while we're

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<v Speaker 2>doing two weeks. So because the Q and A we

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<v Speaker 2>recorded early. We didn't think patrons on that one.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because we usually record like hours before it's posted.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's our jam.

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<v Speaker 1>And that one was days before. So we are doing

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<v Speaker 1>some backtracking making sure we thank all are patrons who

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<v Speaker 1>signed up for the past two weeks. So those patrons

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<v Speaker 1>who signed up over to support us. There are Amanda Robertson,

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<v Speaker 1>Amanda Patchel, Alisha Melissa, Katie Long, Patricia Brimacombe, Laurie Allen,

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<v Speaker 1>Rayley Richards, Victoria Louther, Kathy Kay Timberly, and Jessa Smith.

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<v Speaker 2>Amazing.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm pretty sure I butchered most of your names, and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry for that.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, that's just your charm. We got a good charm

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<v Speaker 2>for that.

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<v Speaker 1>Is it charm or is it just a curse?

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<v Speaker 2>I think you want to go with charm?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, fair enough, I can't argue that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Actually, some people, well somebe borno white, practice your pronunciation,

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<v Speaker 2>then some people are like, I love how you pronounced shit.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, it's who we are.

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<v Speaker 2>We do try. It's not like we're just not trying.

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<v Speaker 1>And people need to remember too, we're not a high

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<v Speaker 1>budget podcast. We're not a high production podcast, us in

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<v Speaker 1>our tiny home, right having fun. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>But anyway, if you were one of those, or if

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<v Speaker 2>you're on our Patreon, thank you so much for your support.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you. And

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<v Speaker 1>if you are not a Patreon.

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<v Speaker 2>And you're just listening and hanging out.

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<v Speaker 1>You're here with us. We appreciate that just the same.

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<v Speaker 1>So thank you, thank you, thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>Literally anyone that's hearing this, thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, thank you. Oh did we say thank you?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think we did. One more time? Thank you?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So thank you so much for the patrons. We

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<v Speaker 1>did a Q and A last episode. That's why we

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<v Speaker 1>kind of got those two weeks to thank Nicole was

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<v Speaker 1>on vacation.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so what did everyone think of that Q and A?

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<v Speaker 1>It was fun.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like that was super fun. We'd divulged some info,

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<v Speaker 2>we got through all the questions. There was a massive amount.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I think you guys might have learned a.

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<v Speaker 2>Couple of things about us, maybe a few things.

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<v Speaker 1>Heh. Yeah, so hopefully enjoyed it. It was fun doing

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<v Speaker 1>that and getting to get to know you guys a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit more on that that level, so hopefully it

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<v Speaker 1>was it was worth a listen for you.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and I went down to the Okanagan, So it

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<v Speaker 2>was for five nights, I think, visiting friends and a

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<v Speaker 2>bunch of family and spending some time at the lake,

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<v Speaker 2>floating in the water, which and swimming, and I love

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<v Speaker 2>swimming so fun and we don't we never do it here.

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<v Speaker 2>We never go swimming.

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<v Speaker 1>We're too busy and even if there is time, there's

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<v Speaker 1>too many mosquitos.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, or the water's cold, really cold. Well down there

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<v Speaker 2>it was a bit warmer. So welcome to Canada, A,

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<v Speaker 2>welcome to Northern BC A.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so I'm definitely jealous. I didn't get to go

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<v Speaker 1>on vacation. I had to stay home, look after the

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<v Speaker 1>dog goes and work.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, sorry about that.

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<v Speaker 1>It's all good. But the nice thing about it though,

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<v Speaker 1>while you were on vacation, I got to take care

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<v Speaker 1>of the last few little details of the Wicked and

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<v Speaker 1>Graham giveaway for the Wicked Box, so that was cool.

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<v Speaker 1>And the final stage is all wrapped up and everything,

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<v Speaker 1>and we just did Instagram live tonight and we drew

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<v Speaker 1>our winter. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>It was very exciting.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so if you want to go see the live drawing.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean it's recorded now, it's you'll see it post,

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<v Speaker 1>but it is a unedited.

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<v Speaker 2>Live where we actually drew the name from a mason

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<v Speaker 2>jar full of pieces of paper. We went old school,

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah it's perfect, and.

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<v Speaker 1>Showed all the different things that are going to be

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<v Speaker 1>in the Wicked Box. So we showed it all, and

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<v Speaker 1>then we drew the name. And the name can I

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<v Speaker 1>get a drum roll? Was Sheila DEGANI I really hope

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<v Speaker 1>I'm saying her name right. But Sheila is actually a

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<v Speaker 1>patron as well. She supports us over on Patreon. Super

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<v Speaker 1>awesome and made it through all the steps of the

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<v Speaker 1>way could giveaway, and those steps included figuring out secret passwords,

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<v Speaker 1>finding secret links in her website, figuring out Morse codes,

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<v Speaker 1>deciphering Caesar cipher codes, taking hints and clues, you name it.

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<v Speaker 1>She made it all the way through and then finally

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<v Speaker 1>was a draw.

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<v Speaker 2>Winner of the Wicked Boss and we had what forty

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<v Speaker 2>seven people that made it that far?

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<v Speaker 1>A total of forty seven people made it all the

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<v Speaker 1>way through.

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<v Speaker 2>Is mind blowing. I mean, I knew it would be fun,

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<v Speaker 2>and I knew a lot of people would be into it,

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<v Speaker 2>but I just didn't actually quite think it was a

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<v Speaker 2>lot to it. There was a lot to it.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, we took a lot of time putting that

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<v Speaker 1>thing together.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and so that many people that went about it

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<v Speaker 2>and had a blast like that was just awesome.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So thank you for Sheila and everyone else who

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<v Speaker 1>took part in it, whether you made it all the

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<v Speaker 1>way through or not, thank you for taking part and

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<v Speaker 1>enjoying it as much as we did alongside us.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I would say it was a success and that

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<v Speaker 2>we may have to do it again one day.

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<v Speaker 1>Definitely agree with that.

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<v Speaker 2>There we go.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, anything else we got to cover?

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<v Speaker 2>H I don't think so. No.

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<v Speaker 1>I got a black cat running around my feet right now.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, spooky we.

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<v Speaker 1>Are entering spooky season.

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<v Speaker 2>We are actually you're getting camped, like I literally just know. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's already becoming a bit fall up here.

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<v Speaker 1>It is.

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<v Speaker 2>Leaves are starting to fall, which is wild, and.

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<v Speaker 1>If I'm being honest, I'm actually getting really excited for

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<v Speaker 1>fall mountain biking.

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<v Speaker 2>Are you well just less hot? Hey?

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<v Speaker 1>Less hot? That cold crisp air going through the fog,

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<v Speaker 1>the leaves on the tree rail, Hell's to the Yes.

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<v Speaker 2>It's trying to be slippery though.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's gonna be so cool and looks so awesome.

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<v Speaker 1>Think of the gram, Yo, off of the Gram, off

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<v Speaker 1>the gram. That's why a mountain bike specifically for the.

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<v Speaker 2>Graham pretty much. And you have to have the best

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<v Speaker 2>of gear for that.

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<v Speaker 1>Right percent. Gotta look good. If you don't look good,

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<v Speaker 1>are you actually any good?

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<v Speaker 2>Are you actually a mountain biker?

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<v Speaker 1>Right about brands?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>Whatever, No, it's all about you rab what you got,

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<v Speaker 1>that's exactly so. Yeah, spooky seasons coming up. We're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>be doing some cool things for Halloween again this year,

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<v Speaker 1>so remember that. But that aside, are you ready to

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<v Speaker 1>get into the case today.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm totally ready.

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<v Speaker 1>You're totally ready for it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I need to know what's going on here.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, heads up for anyone who doesn't like them. This

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<v Speaker 1>is an unsolved case. This is a mystery. So just

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<v Speaker 1>so you know this one, this is getting into rabbit holes,

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<v Speaker 1>this is getting into theories.

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<v Speaker 2>I love these ones, you love it, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So buckle up. Our story takes place on April first

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<v Speaker 1>of two thousand and six, WOW, with a man by

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<v Speaker 1>the name of Brian Shaeffer O. Now, Brian was twenty

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<v Speaker 1>seven years old. He was born on February twenty fifth

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<v Speaker 1>of nineteen seventy nine. Brian grew up in Pickerton, a

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<v Speaker 1>suburb of outside of Columbus, Ohio. He had two younger brothers,

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<v Speaker 1>and he was the eldest son of Randy and Renee Shaeffer.

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<v Speaker 1>He graduated high school in nineteen ninety seven and from

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<v Speaker 1>there went on to pursue an impressive educational path at

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<v Speaker 1>Ohio State University or known as OSU.

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<v Speaker 2>Sounds like a good start.

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<v Speaker 1>There for six years, he worked his ass off until

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<v Speaker 1>he graduated with a degree in microbiology. Oh wow, definitely

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<v Speaker 1>a study that takes time, patience, skill, and smarts. Right, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>no kidding, Now, Brian clearly had all these things as

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<v Speaker 1>he pushed through it to come out proudly with that

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<v Speaker 1>degree in hand. This wasn't the end of his post

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<v Speaker 1>secondary career, though. Brian had more ambitions. Even still. He

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<v Speaker 1>would go on to begin his study at OSU or

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<v Speaker 1>the College of Medicine in two thousand and four to

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<v Speaker 1>eventually become a doctor.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow. Good for him, right, that's very impressive.

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<v Speaker 1>Set in the bar high.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so he also he must have been like, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know, high achiever.

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<v Speaker 1>Smart, very smart, very high achiever. Yeah, and by this time, honestly,

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<v Speaker 1>Brian can quite literally be described as tall, dark, and handsome,

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<v Speaker 1>literally like full package for one hundred percent. He had

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<v Speaker 1>that like neatly kind of slash, messy brown hair, glowing

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<v Speaker 1>hazel eyes. He stood six foot two inches tall and

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<v Speaker 1>weighed approximately one hundred and sixty five pounds. He was

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<v Speaker 1>quite literally mister tall, dark and handsome, gorgeous glowing smile.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, no, homo, but man, he's pretty just saying.

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<v Speaker 2>And had the resume to back him up really too, definitely.

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<v Speaker 1>So it wasn't long before you know, mister tall, dark

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<v Speaker 1>and handsome was able to find himself romantically involved. Alexis

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<v Speaker 1>Wagoner was also a medical student, and Alexis and Brian

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<v Speaker 1>or sorry Alexis was described on Brian's MySpace profile page

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<v Speaker 1>at the time as awesome and amazing.

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<v Speaker 2>Aw yeah, like that's how he described.

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<v Speaker 1>love the MySpace days. Hey, yeah, takes us back.

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<v Speaker 1>What like we need some some social media to kick

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<v Speaker 1>it up like that again, Remember like all the animations

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<v Speaker 1>you could have in your page your favorite song we playing,

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<v Speaker 1>you could change the colors and all this. Why don't

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<v Speaker 2>Now?

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<v Speaker 1>Why can't you do that on Instagram or Facebook or anything? TikTok?

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<v Speaker 2>there's hardly anything that you can do to relate.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, you get a profile, you get a description, and

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, but that's still technically part of your.

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<v Speaker 2>Feed, right, Yeah, it still still look very like pristine

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<v Speaker 1>The only way it's a different template is that blue

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<v Speaker 2>So what would music? Would you have? Larn when someone came.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh god, probably money for Nothing by Dire Straits. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's like one of my all time favorite songs. Come

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<v Speaker 1>on now, it's either going to be that or I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going to go like my pop punk skater days with

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<v Speaker 1>Billy tallon you know, love that stuff. There you go, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>how about.

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<v Speaker 2>You I don't even know. I don't even know.

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<v Speaker 2>have some like zen chill, like chill hot music for

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<v Speaker 2>right now. Back then, I'm not really sure.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, fair enough. Oh it'd probably be that theme song

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<v Speaker 1>from One Tree Hill, that's what you'd have.

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<v Speaker 1>You know I'm not wrong, you know I'm right.

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<v Speaker 2>I was actually obsessed with that and OC too. Actually,

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<v Speaker 2>OC is like on Netflix or something now I need

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, Sorry, this this tangent aside, We digress. Alexis would

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<v Speaker 1>actually later describe Brian in an interview as well as brilliant, handsome, sweet,

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh, this is perfect. Well it's not perfect

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<v Speaker 2>because we're talking about it, but it sounds awesome so far.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the love the two had for one another, it

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<v Speaker 1>was clear that like they loved each other. There was

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<v Speaker 1>no doubt about that, so much so that Alexis actually,

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<v Speaker 1>along with many of her families and friends, believe that

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<v Speaker 1>Brian was about to propose to her soon. Ooh now

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<v Speaker 1>where and how well? Why not? On the trip to

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<v Speaker 2>There you go, that sounds perfect.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, hitting up the beach or something. Yeah, now, especially

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<v Speaker 1>considering Brian loved tropical locations such as Miami. He loved

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<v Speaker 1>the beach. He was just like many of us, honestly,

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<v Speaker 1>who lived dreamed of living that good life on a beach,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, sand between your toes, the sound of the

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<v Speaker 1>ocean waves crashing in front of you. He'd dreamed of it,

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<v Speaker 1>he lived for it, and if I'm being completely transparent,

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<v Speaker 1>probably with a cold drink in your hand as well,

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, I mean, that's living the life right there.

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<v Speaker 1>One hundred percent. So Brian may have been a really

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<v Speaker 1>good looking guy who was succeeding through his tough trials

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<v Speaker 1>becoming a doctor, but that didn't mean he was above

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<v Speaker 1>your average guy. He liked to relax, He liked that

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<v Speaker 1>lifestyle just like everybody else. In fact, he was a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit more like everyone else than we realize. He

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<v Speaker 1>would often dream of sitting back, relaxing and just playing

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<v Speaker 1>his guitar and doing that for his life. In fact,

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<v Speaker 1>he even told friends that despite of his decisions, to

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<v Speaker 1>pursue a medical career. His real ambitions was to start

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<v Speaker 1>a band playing music. Oh really, particularly following the same

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<v Speaker 1>sort of genre as Jimmy Buffett.

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<v Speaker 2>Huh.

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<v Speaker 1>And if you're not familiar with Jimmy Buffett and his music,

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<v Speaker 1>he is a singer slash songwriter entrepreneur. I should say

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<v Speaker 1>that too, because he's worth like millions. He would, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>tell tales of his long days in the beach and

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<v Speaker 1>the warm sun. That's how he would sing his songs,

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<v Speaker 1>followed of course by the cool evening drinks and good company. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>He's sorry, I lost my spot here. He's the artist

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<v Speaker 1>behind songs such as It's five o'clock somewhere, why don't

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<v Speaker 1>we get drunk? Hey, good looking, Cheeseburger in Paradise, and

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<v Speaker 1>Margueriteville awesome.

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<v Speaker 2>Those are like also.

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<v Speaker 1>Good, right, So those are the sort of songs that

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<v Speaker 1>he's listening to, and those are the sort of things

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<v Speaker 1>that he's kind of following the ambition of Jimmy Buffett

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<v Speaker 1>paints his picture and he loves this idea and this lifestyle.

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<v Speaker 1>So that is his dream. So Jimmy Buffett preaches this

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<v Speaker 1>easy life, so on so forth, and it is music

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<v Speaker 1>Brian's ears, but he also had other artists that he

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<v Speaker 1>had favorite songs of too. He also had Pearl Jam,

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<v Speaker 1>who was another favorite artist of his. In fact, he

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<v Speaker 1>even had the Pearl Jam logo tattooed on his upper

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<v Speaker 2>Oh wow, Yeah, it's like serious fas Hey.

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<v Speaker 1>Definitely, and honestly, I can vouch for Brian. Both these

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<v Speaker 1>two artists are incredibly amazing artists. Very different style of music,

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<v Speaker 1>but they're both amazing. So back to Brian and alexis Tho,

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<v Speaker 1>not just the music. Before they could actually hit up

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<v Speaker 1>the beach in Miami, Miami and potentially get engaged, something

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<v Speaker 1>unexpected occurred. It was only a couple months before they

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<v Speaker 1>planned the trip. Brian was in his second year at OSU,

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<v Speaker 1>pursuing his career as a doctor, and in March of

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<v Speaker 1>two thousand and six, Brian's mother unexpectedly passed away.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my goodness.

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<v Speaker 1>No, yeah, I'm going to butcher the type of what

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<v Speaker 1>she was diagnosed with here, but bear with me. I

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<v Speaker 1>did practice pronouncing this multiple times, but it didn't work

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<v Speaker 1>out anytime I tried. Here we go Mila d plesia,

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<v Speaker 1>mylad diplasia, myla diplasia. I thinks how it is.

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<v Speaker 2>I haven't even ever heard of that.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a type of cancer which immature blood cells in

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<v Speaker 1>the bone marrow do not mature and become healthy cells. Essentially, dang. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>And Google describes early symptoms as typically none, but later

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<v Speaker 1>symptoms may include feeling tired, shortness of breath, bleeding, disorderas disorders, anemia,

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<v Speaker 1>or frequent infections. So tragic, honestly, And Google takes so

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<v Speaker 1>many people away. It's it's absolutely cancer or sorry, can't

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<v Speaker 1>think Google, Google, Sorry, sorry, I googled the symptoms.

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<v Speaker 2>I said that, right, So no, but it does, it is,

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<v Speaker 2>it's on.

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<v Speaker 1>Google takes so many lives.

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<v Speaker 2>I know. I was sorry to that, but yeah, no,

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<v Speaker 2>it honestly does. It's just like the worst, It's the worst.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So Brian's friends knew this was hard on him,

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<v Speaker 1>and it would be you know, for many people to realize, like,

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<v Speaker 1>it's not something that he was able to actually hide.

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<v Speaker 1>He tried, but it was pretty obvious to people if

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<v Speaker 1>they they looked at him, you know, they they see

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<v Speaker 1>he's tired, he's not quite who he used to be.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, Oh yeah, well, it's constantly on his mind. And

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<v Speaker 2>then the fact that she's not going to be there

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<v Speaker 2>when he grad graduates med school. That's a big deal exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>And Brian was close with his mother and his family,

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<v Speaker 1>so it would certainly be hard to witness to love

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<v Speaker 1>one suffering from something like this, right, And so his

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<v Speaker 1>friends knew it was hard on him, not because like

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<v Speaker 1>I said, he showed it or talked about it a lot.

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<v Speaker 1>They just knew from being good friends and seeing slight

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<v Speaker 1>changes in him. Yeah. So not to say that these

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<v Speaker 1>changes were, like I said, drastic, but Brian, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>did kind of become a bit of a different person,

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<v Speaker 1>all these subtle things, so kind of people kept their

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<v Speaker 1>eye out on him as best they could. So as such,

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<v Speaker 1>he tried not letting things get to him too much.

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<v Speaker 1>He pushed on, He didn't want to talk about his

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<v Speaker 1>troubles too much. He just kept trying to go on,

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<v Speaker 1>stay strong and continue with, you know, his pursuing medical career.

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<v Speaker 1>Now that brings us to Friday, March thirty. First, Brian's

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<v Speaker 1>classes at OSU came to an end for spring break,

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<v Speaker 1>and soon he'd be traveling to Miami with his girlfriend Alexis.

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<v Speaker 1>So this was drawing closer and Brian and his father

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<v Speaker 1>Randy went out to celebrate his current success of his

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<v Speaker 1>classes and the upcoming break by going out for a

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<v Speaker 1>steak dinner right on. So they enjoyed an early evening

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<v Speaker 1>together in each other's company and honestly probably reminiscing over

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<v Speaker 1>memories they shared of Brian's recently deceased.

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<v Speaker 2>Mother, because it was that month, that earlier that month

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<v Speaker 2>that the mom had passed away. It was in March, right,

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<v Speaker 2>you said, yes, okay, so yeah, really not that long ago.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so it's very very fresh. So Brian's father during

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<v Speaker 1>this dinner noted that Brian again didn't quite seem himself.

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<v Speaker 1>He seemed exhausted, and from conversations it most likely was

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<v Speaker 1>having pulling all nighters from earlier in the week, cramming

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<v Speaker 1>for upcoming exams, and again probably from the recent family stress.

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<v Speaker 1>Brian was also telling him that he had some other

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<v Speaker 1>plans that evening to go out with friends for some

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<v Speaker 1>celebrations too, but this didn't quite sit right with him.

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<v Speaker 1>Think Brian should be going out with friends. He should

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<v Speaker 1>probably be resting and catching up on his sleep. He

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<v Speaker 1>had some rough times recently, and now you know, it

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<v Speaker 1>was the perfect opportunity to close his eyes and recharge,

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<v Speaker 1>especially before his vacation.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, his dad was looking out for him, he was.

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<v Speaker 2>That's some good advice right there.

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<v Speaker 1>However, he didn't actually say this out loud to his son.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh shit, Okay, I mean, after all, Brian is an adult.

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<v Speaker 1>He can make decisions for himself. He's twenty seven years old.

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<v Speaker 1>You know. He wasn't doing anything dangerous, he wasn't doing

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<v Speaker 1>anything reckless. So who's to say he can't go out

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<v Speaker 1>and spend some time with his friends before vacation. Yeah, right,

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<v Speaker 1>close decisions.

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<v Speaker 2>His dad had some great advice and he just kept

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<v Speaker 2>it to him and this is oh hate that.

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<v Speaker 1>So he did. He just kept his thoughts to himself

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<v Speaker 1>and just enjoyed the rest of his dinner with his

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<v Speaker 1>son before they went their separate ways. And unfortunately, this

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<v Speaker 2>Dang. Okay, yep, I knew this was coming.

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<v Speaker 1>So after dinner with his father, Brian met up with

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<v Speaker 1>his friends William Clint Florence Clint. I'm not sure if

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<v Speaker 1>it's a legal name or a nickname. I'm pretty sure

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<v Speaker 1>it's a nickname.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>So Clint was also a former roommate. They met up

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<v Speaker 1>heading to the Ugly Tuna Saluna. Whoa yeah, a bar

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<v Speaker 1>Sounds like quite the bar, right, love that name. Honestly,

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<v Speaker 1>go out for drinks together. They were good friends and

426
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<v Speaker 1>somewhat drinking buddies, if you will. It was just another

427
00:20:47.039 --> 00:20:49.839
<v Speaker 1>night out of two friends having a good time, as

428
00:20:49.839 --> 00:20:54.319
<v Speaker 1>simple as that. So at about ten pm, about an

429
00:20:54.359 --> 00:20:59.240
<v Speaker 1>hour after they arrived at the Ugly Tuna Saluna, Brian

430
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<v Speaker 1>gave his girlfriend Alexis a call, who would have just

431
00:21:03.599 --> 00:21:06.759
<v Speaker 1>returned to her home in Toledo, Ohio to visit her

432
00:21:06.799 --> 00:21:09.359
<v Speaker 1>family before the two of them went on their vacation

433
00:21:09.519 --> 00:21:12.759
<v Speaker 1>in Miami for spring break. Okay, so they talked in

434
00:21:12.799 --> 00:21:16.279
<v Speaker 1>the phone for a bit and they kind of reconvene

435
00:21:16.319 --> 00:21:19.920
<v Speaker 1>with their plan, and he told Alexis his evening plans,

436
00:21:19.960 --> 00:21:21.759
<v Speaker 1>you know, to go bar hopping with his friend and

437
00:21:21.839 --> 00:21:24.319
<v Speaker 1>they'd catch up on sleep and then in the next

438
00:21:24.359 --> 00:21:26.960
<v Speaker 1>couple of days they would meet up at the airport

439
00:21:26.960 --> 00:21:30.480
<v Speaker 1>on Monday in the morning to go proceed on their vacation.

440
00:21:30.920 --> 00:21:31.720
<v Speaker 1>As simple as that.

441
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<v Speaker 2>So he's planning ahead, he's.

442
00:21:34.240 --> 00:21:38.039
<v Speaker 1>Planning ahead, he's planning ahead, he's being responsible, he's talking

443
00:21:38.119 --> 00:21:41.160
<v Speaker 1>to her, he's making sure everyone everything's on the same page.

444
00:21:41.880 --> 00:21:45.680
<v Speaker 1>Nothing suspicious, not at all weird, just another night having

445
00:21:45.759 --> 00:21:47.319
<v Speaker 1>fun and everything's out in the open.

446
00:21:47.519 --> 00:21:49.799
<v Speaker 2>Just other than him being a bit tired, right, or

447
00:21:50.359 --> 00:21:51.720
<v Speaker 2>just exhausted.

448
00:21:51.720 --> 00:21:54.640
<v Speaker 1>Just overtired, overworked, whatever you want to say, But he's

449
00:21:54.640 --> 00:21:59.039
<v Speaker 1>definitely exhausted. It's a good way to put it. So

450
00:21:59.119 --> 00:22:02.319
<v Speaker 1>after the phone call, Brian and Clint began their bar hopping.

451
00:22:02.799 --> 00:22:08.119
<v Speaker 1>They left the Ugly Tuna Saluna after about four or

452
00:22:08.160 --> 00:22:11.880
<v Speaker 1>so shots together and began visiting several other bars and

453
00:22:11.920 --> 00:22:15.440
<v Speaker 1>working their way down the Arena district in Columbus. At

454
00:22:15.480 --> 00:22:18.599
<v Speaker 1>each stop, the two would have one shot together before

455
00:22:18.680 --> 00:22:21.839
<v Speaker 1>moving on to the next place. Sounds like a good night,

456
00:22:21.920 --> 00:22:24.519
<v Speaker 1>you know. That was actually yeah, binding different places, having

457
00:22:24.519 --> 00:22:25.680
<v Speaker 1>different drinks and moving on.

458
00:22:25.799 --> 00:22:27.599
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's actually kind of sounds super fun.

459
00:22:27.680 --> 00:22:30.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, although I can tell you right now my drinking

460
00:22:30.519 --> 00:22:32.440
<v Speaker 1>is not up to par they're at like five or

461
00:22:32.480 --> 00:22:36.599
<v Speaker 1>six shots by now or so. Yeah, I'm probably going

462
00:22:36.680 --> 00:22:38.200
<v Speaker 1>to call it a night at like, you know what,

463
00:22:38.359 --> 00:22:39.720
<v Speaker 1>it's eleven or so. I'm done.

464
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<v Speaker 2>Really good night, guys.

465
00:22:41.839 --> 00:22:44.200
<v Speaker 1>Pretty much, I can't hold it like I used to.

466
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<v Speaker 2>Let's say that we're getting all of it's okay.

467
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<v Speaker 1>So sometime after midnight, Brian and Clint met up with

468
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<v Speaker 1>Meredith Reid, a friend of Clint from the North Shore,

469
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<v Speaker 1>where she gave them a ride back to the Ugly

470
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<v Speaker 1>Tuna Saluna.

471
00:22:58.119 --> 00:22:59.119
<v Speaker 2>Oh that was our favorite one.

472
00:22:59.440 --> 00:23:02.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, right back to where the bar hopping began, and

473
00:23:02.039 --> 00:23:04.640
<v Speaker 1>she joined them for some more good times and their

474
00:23:04.759 --> 00:23:09.559
<v Speaker 1>last round of the evening at one fifteen pm. Okay, so,

475
00:23:09.680 --> 00:23:12.720
<v Speaker 1>once they arrived at one fifteen and they got inside, however,

476
00:23:13.039 --> 00:23:17.039
<v Speaker 1>Clint and Meredith quickly lost sight of Brian. Inside It's

477
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<v Speaker 1>a busy bar with lots of people all over the place,

478
00:23:19.440 --> 00:23:22.480
<v Speaker 1>so it wasn't anything out of the ordinary, especially since

479
00:23:22.519 --> 00:23:25.079
<v Speaker 1>there were two girls there that were friend of Clint's

480
00:23:25.119 --> 00:23:28.079
<v Speaker 1>and Brian began to struck strike up conversation with them,

481
00:23:28.920 --> 00:23:31.440
<v Speaker 1>so he was probably off making new friends having a

482
00:23:31.440 --> 00:23:34.799
<v Speaker 1>good time. After a while, though, the two began to

483
00:23:34.839 --> 00:23:36.599
<v Speaker 1>look for him, you know, trying to figure out where

484
00:23:36.599 --> 00:23:39.880
<v Speaker 1>he was, and they couldn't find him, so they began

485
00:23:40.000 --> 00:23:44.279
<v Speaker 1>to call him on his phone several times, but no answer. Again,

486
00:23:44.359 --> 00:23:46.880
<v Speaker 1>though it's not terribly weird. We're looking at like almost

487
00:23:46.880 --> 00:23:49.519
<v Speaker 1>two am in the morning, everyone's having lots of drinks.

488
00:23:49.559 --> 00:23:53.960
<v Speaker 1>He's probably distracted. It's probably super loud. I guarantee you,

489
00:23:54.000 --> 00:23:55.480
<v Speaker 1>I'm not going to be answering my phone.

490
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<v Speaker 2>I mean, he could have found someone in there that

491
00:23:57.480 --> 00:24:00.160
<v Speaker 2>he knew or something, but still like slightly alarming. I

492
00:24:00.200 --> 00:24:02.160
<v Speaker 2>think I would be starting to get a bit alarmed.

493
00:24:02.440 --> 00:24:04.359
<v Speaker 1>Well, I mean, you're in the same room, You're in

494
00:24:04.400 --> 00:24:07.079
<v Speaker 1>the same bar, right, Well, he's somewhere around here, right.

495
00:24:08.160 --> 00:24:11.160
<v Speaker 1>So at two am, forty five minutes after they arrived

496
00:24:11.160 --> 00:24:15.160
<v Speaker 1>at the bar, the bar would close. Clint and Meredith

497
00:24:15.400 --> 00:24:18.680
<v Speaker 1>quickly left the bar and waited outside patiently for Brian

498
00:24:18.759 --> 00:24:21.720
<v Speaker 1>to come out with the groups of patrons who were leaving.

499
00:24:22.599 --> 00:24:25.839
<v Speaker 1>So they were out there in advance, just moments before

500
00:24:25.960 --> 00:24:28.480
<v Speaker 1>everyone else flooded out, so they can watch and tryumph

501
00:24:28.599 --> 00:24:31.960
<v Speaker 1>come out, right, okay, So they looked into the crowds

502
00:24:32.000 --> 00:24:34.200
<v Speaker 1>of people passing through the exit door and making their

503
00:24:34.200 --> 00:24:36.839
<v Speaker 1>way down the sidewalks as they stumbled into the night.

504
00:24:37.400 --> 00:24:40.359
<v Speaker 1>With each new face they saw, they expected Brian's to

505
00:24:40.359 --> 00:24:44.279
<v Speaker 1>be the next one to follow, but he didn't. The

506
00:24:44.319 --> 00:24:47.240
<v Speaker 1>bar emptied out and Brian was nowhere to be found.

507
00:24:48.680 --> 00:24:51.799
<v Speaker 1>The two assumed Brian had probably left on his own accord,

508
00:24:51.880 --> 00:24:54.119
<v Speaker 1>quietly as not to disturb the rest of their evening.

509
00:24:54.640 --> 00:24:56.640
<v Speaker 1>After all, I'm sure many of us have actually been

510
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<v Speaker 1>in a position where we try to quietly leave a

511
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<v Speaker 1>social situation without being noticed.

512
00:25:00.720 --> 00:25:04.240
<v Speaker 2>Right, it's not abnormal, No, that's hotly fair. But I

513
00:25:04.279 --> 00:25:06.960
<v Speaker 2>mean they were spending the whole night together. You think

514
00:25:07.000 --> 00:25:08.799
<v Speaker 2>that he hasn't been like, okay, I'm off.

515
00:25:09.279 --> 00:25:11.559
<v Speaker 1>Well, they're thinking this must have been the case with Brian, though.

516
00:25:11.759 --> 00:25:13.920
<v Speaker 1>I mean, it was a long night. He had big

517
00:25:13.960 --> 00:25:16.200
<v Speaker 1>plans coming up, He had a lot of stress in

518
00:25:16.240 --> 00:25:16.799
<v Speaker 1>his shoulders.

519
00:25:17.200 --> 00:25:18.279
<v Speaker 2>He was already exhausted.

520
00:25:18.440 --> 00:25:22.079
<v Speaker 1>He was exhausted, his mamad recently passed away. His friends

521
00:25:22.079 --> 00:25:24.480
<v Speaker 1>are thinking he might be proposing to his girlfriend soon.

522
00:25:24.799 --> 00:25:27.559
<v Speaker 1>He's got a lot going on that he's not expressing

523
00:25:27.559 --> 00:25:30.240
<v Speaker 1>out loud. Right, Maybe he's he was done, He just

524
00:25:30.279 --> 00:25:32.400
<v Speaker 1>wanted to back off and not disturb their night.

525
00:25:32.680 --> 00:25:35.119
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because he might have didn't want them to feel

526
00:25:35.119 --> 00:25:37.200
<v Speaker 2>bad like they had to leave as well or exactly.

527
00:25:37.319 --> 00:25:39.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so they decided, you know what, he probably left

528
00:25:39.960 --> 00:25:42.319
<v Speaker 1>not wanting to bother anyone, maybe wants to be alone,

529
00:25:42.480 --> 00:25:44.160
<v Speaker 1>so we're not going to bother him either, and they

530
00:25:44.279 --> 00:25:46.039
<v Speaker 1>kind of went on their way, assuming he just went

531
00:25:46.079 --> 00:25:48.319
<v Speaker 1>to his home apartment. And that's that.

532
00:25:49.400 --> 00:25:51.240
<v Speaker 2>I don't love that though. I'm not loving this.

533
00:25:52.920 --> 00:25:54.359
<v Speaker 1>What about it? Aren't you loving?

534
00:25:54.640 --> 00:25:56.640
<v Speaker 2>Well? I mean, because like what happens if he was

535
00:25:56.720 --> 00:25:59.400
<v Speaker 2>actually danger Like, I don't know if I would be

536
00:25:59.440 --> 00:26:01.880
<v Speaker 2>able to just be I go like justify in my

537
00:26:02.000 --> 00:26:04.640
<v Speaker 2>head they're fine whatever, Like I feel like I would

538
00:26:04.680 --> 00:26:07.319
<v Speaker 2>need to go and check on them and know before

539
00:26:07.359 --> 00:26:08.640
<v Speaker 2>I went to sleep. Kind of thing.

540
00:26:08.839 --> 00:26:13.599
<v Speaker 1>Fair enough. Well, the next morning came Saturday morning, and

541
00:26:13.799 --> 00:26:17.359
<v Speaker 1>both Alexis and Brian's father couldn't get a hold of them.

542
00:26:17.480 --> 00:26:19.960
<v Speaker 1>They tried phoning them and they both didn't have success.

543
00:26:21.119 --> 00:26:24.720
<v Speaker 1>So Saturday morning had came and it also passed, was

544
00:26:24.759 --> 00:26:28.799
<v Speaker 1>still no word from them. Sunday came and Alexis began

545
00:26:28.839 --> 00:26:32.839
<v Speaker 1>to get worried. Well, yeah, this wasn't like Brian. She's

546
00:26:32.880 --> 00:26:35.519
<v Speaker 1>always able to get a hold of them. They're trying

547
00:26:35.559 --> 00:26:37.200
<v Speaker 1>to make plans for Miami.

548
00:26:36.920 --> 00:26:39.039
<v Speaker 2>Though they're meeting like the next day at that point.

549
00:26:39.440 --> 00:26:42.119
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, though, to be fair, the plans are already laid out.

550
00:26:42.200 --> 00:26:43.839
<v Speaker 1>But I mean they're excited. They're probably going to be

551
00:26:43.839 --> 00:26:45.880
<v Speaker 1>talking about it. Oh what are you packing or whatever?

552
00:26:45.920 --> 00:26:46.319
<v Speaker 1>Who knows.

553
00:26:46.359 --> 00:26:48.519
<v Speaker 2>They probably chatted almost every day or a few times

554
00:26:48.559 --> 00:26:49.519
<v Speaker 2>a day, I would assume.

555
00:26:49.559 --> 00:26:56.680
<v Speaker 1>So. So eventually Monday morning rolled around. Oh boy, the

556
00:26:56.759 --> 00:26:59.079
<v Speaker 1>day where they are scheduled to leave with their vacation

557
00:26:59.160 --> 00:27:03.400
<v Speaker 1>in Miami. At the airport, Brian was nowhere to be found.

558
00:27:03.640 --> 00:27:06.319
<v Speaker 2>He didn't show up, He missed his flight.

559
00:27:06.720 --> 00:27:09.960
<v Speaker 1>And this was the last straw. Brian was officially reported

560
00:27:10.039 --> 00:27:15.039
<v Speaker 1>missing and the investigation would begin. Police would be baffled,

561
00:27:15.480 --> 00:27:20.039
<v Speaker 1>and Brian would, as of recording this podcast never be

562
00:27:20.200 --> 00:27:21.920
<v Speaker 1>seen again. Day.

563
00:27:22.720 --> 00:27:26.079
<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh, I just don't like this. I'm actually

564
00:27:26.079 --> 00:27:29.119
<v Speaker 2>surprised that when that far. I mean, I get that

565
00:27:29.200 --> 00:27:32.240
<v Speaker 2>Monday would be you're missing your flight, Okay, yeah, final

566
00:27:32.279 --> 00:27:35.680
<v Speaker 2>straw thing, But I mean even Sunday, I think.

567
00:27:35.799 --> 00:27:38.279
<v Speaker 1>Well, put it into this perspective. He was out till

568
00:27:38.319 --> 00:27:41.640
<v Speaker 1>two am Saturday morning. He's got a lot of stress

569
00:27:41.680 --> 00:27:44.839
<v Speaker 1>on him. He's probably going to be super hungover. Saturday

570
00:27:44.960 --> 00:27:48.359
<v Speaker 1>is probably a write off. True, So maybe he's passed out,

571
00:27:48.440 --> 00:27:52.000
<v Speaker 1>super hungover for the entire day. Give him space Saturday. Okay, Okay,

572
00:27:52.119 --> 00:27:56.559
<v Speaker 1>so Sunday could theoretically be when the concerns really start. Oh,

573
00:27:56.599 --> 00:27:59.240
<v Speaker 1>I haven't heard from him. Maybe where is he? Right?

574
00:28:00.160 --> 00:28:04.640
<v Speaker 1>So Sunday could theoretically be the first day concerns start,

575
00:28:05.359 --> 00:28:09.759
<v Speaker 1>and then Monday morning misses his flight. Yeah, something's wrong.

576
00:28:10.319 --> 00:28:13.279
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, definitely something's wrong at that point, but I

577
00:28:13.599 --> 00:28:15.640
<v Speaker 2>would be pretty darn concerned prior to.

578
00:28:17.720 --> 00:28:21.400
<v Speaker 1>So in the coming weeks, Alexis would visit Brian's apartment

579
00:28:21.640 --> 00:28:26.359
<v Speaker 1>over and over again, and she admittedly sobbed into his bed,

580
00:28:26.480 --> 00:28:29.839
<v Speaker 1>hoping and wishing he would just show up and just

581
00:28:29.920 --> 00:28:33.559
<v Speaker 1>walk through that door. But he wouldn't.

582
00:28:33.839 --> 00:28:38.160
<v Speaker 2>My heart just sunk. Yeap when you said that there was.

583
00:28:38.200 --> 00:28:44.200
<v Speaker 1>No sign of him. The only thing police found regarding Brian,

584
00:28:44.319 --> 00:28:46.799
<v Speaker 1>sorry stumbled that sense that was a weird sentence. The

585
00:28:46.839 --> 00:28:50.519
<v Speaker 1>only thing police found regarding Brian during their investigation was

586
00:28:50.640 --> 00:28:55.000
<v Speaker 1>video surveillance footage at the Ugly Tuna Saluna the night

587
00:28:55.039 --> 00:29:00.680
<v Speaker 1>of his disappearance. Okay, So the security surveillance footage, which

588
00:29:00.720 --> 00:29:03.000
<v Speaker 1>is available online. By the way, you can go take

589
00:29:03.000 --> 00:29:07.519
<v Speaker 1>a look yeap. It shows Brian, Clint, and Meredith entering

590
00:29:07.559 --> 00:29:12.359
<v Speaker 1>the bar at one fifteen am via a set of escalators. Okay,

591
00:29:12.480 --> 00:29:13.519
<v Speaker 1>so it goes up onto the.

592
00:29:13.480 --> 00:29:15.640
<v Speaker 2>Second floor, so let's say a kind of a big bar.

593
00:29:16.240 --> 00:29:20.079
<v Speaker 1>It's definitely a big bar. So Brian is seen casually

594
00:29:20.160 --> 00:29:22.200
<v Speaker 1>leaning on the side of the escalators as they're going

595
00:29:22.279 --> 00:29:26.440
<v Speaker 1>up and they enter the bar. Then at about one

596
00:29:26.440 --> 00:29:30.920
<v Speaker 1>point fifty five am, five minutes before closing time, so

597
00:29:31.039 --> 00:29:34.200
<v Speaker 1>five minutes before the bar is closed, he is seen

598
00:29:34.319 --> 00:29:38.200
<v Speaker 1>again by the top of the escalators, happily talking to

599
00:29:38.200 --> 00:29:41.319
<v Speaker 1>two of Clint's friends, those two prior ones that we mention. Yeah,

600
00:29:41.799 --> 00:29:44.319
<v Speaker 1>and only a few feet away stands a couple of

601
00:29:44.359 --> 00:29:48.680
<v Speaker 1>security guards. They do not look alerted or anything looks suspicious,

602
00:29:48.680 --> 00:29:51.200
<v Speaker 1>so clearly there's no cause for alarm, at least at

603
00:29:51.240 --> 00:29:51.799
<v Speaker 1>this stage.

604
00:29:51.839 --> 00:29:54.039
<v Speaker 2>So this is five minutes before the bar is closing,

605
00:29:54.079 --> 00:29:56.839
<v Speaker 2>and there's he's seen, but no issues or nothing.

606
00:29:57.000 --> 00:29:57.680
<v Speaker 1>Correct.

607
00:29:58.279 --> 00:29:58.680
<v Speaker 2>Okay.

608
00:29:59.279 --> 00:30:02.599
<v Speaker 1>Now, at the end of this clip, at one five AM,

609
00:30:03.200 --> 00:30:06.359
<v Speaker 1>Brian walks off screen back into the direction of the bar.

610
00:30:06.839 --> 00:30:09.720
<v Speaker 1>I mean, you can't guarantee he's back into the bar specifically,

611
00:30:09.759 --> 00:30:11.440
<v Speaker 1>but I mean he's he's going in the bar. There's

612
00:30:11.440 --> 00:30:14.240
<v Speaker 1>not really anywhere else to go, so it's he's going

613
00:30:14.240 --> 00:30:19.039
<v Speaker 1>in the bar. And after that, Brian is never seen

614
00:30:19.079 --> 00:30:22.720
<v Speaker 1>exiting the bar. The video shows him enter, but it

615
00:30:22.960 --> 00:30:24.640
<v Speaker 1>never shows him leave.

616
00:30:25.920 --> 00:30:30.759
<v Speaker 2>Okay, well, there is there video cover or cameras on

617
00:30:30.880 --> 00:30:33.599
<v Speaker 2>every single exit of that bar, though.

618
00:30:33.920 --> 00:30:37.599
<v Speaker 1>Let's get into that. Okay, So there are two entrances

619
00:30:37.720 --> 00:30:42.039
<v Speaker 1>slash exits in the bar, both which are fully covered

620
00:30:42.240 --> 00:30:47.000
<v Speaker 1>by surveillance. One of the entrances has the escalators heading

621
00:30:47.000 --> 00:30:51.240
<v Speaker 1>down to the main floor from the second floor, and

622
00:30:51.400 --> 00:30:53.720
<v Speaker 1>this is where the camera saw Brian twice, the ones

623
00:30:53.759 --> 00:30:57.599
<v Speaker 1>where we just previously talked about and this, and then

624
00:30:57.640 --> 00:31:00.000
<v Speaker 1>there's the second one that's also covered with security camera.

625
00:31:00.599 --> 00:31:03.640
<v Speaker 1>So after that, there is also a high balcony overlooking

626
00:31:03.680 --> 00:31:06.720
<v Speaker 1>the street below from the second story that is not

627
00:31:06.880 --> 00:31:12.359
<v Speaker 1>covered by security cameras. Now, it is a possible exit route,

628
00:31:12.519 --> 00:31:17.079
<v Speaker 1>but unlikely, especially for someone who would be quite intoxicated.

629
00:31:17.440 --> 00:31:19.160
<v Speaker 2>You have to be climbing down.

630
00:31:19.279 --> 00:31:22.000
<v Speaker 1>He probably wouldn't have climbed. I don't think climbing is

631
00:31:22.039 --> 00:31:25.079
<v Speaker 1>really an option. I think it's leaping, and someone leaping

632
00:31:25.079 --> 00:31:27.839
<v Speaker 1>from a second story building, as intoxicated as he would

633
00:31:27.839 --> 00:31:30.000
<v Speaker 1>have been, he is going to get severely injured.

634
00:31:30.160 --> 00:31:31.160
<v Speaker 2>Yes, so that's.

635
00:31:31.000 --> 00:31:32.400
<v Speaker 1>Almost a rite off.

636
00:31:32.640 --> 00:31:33.359
<v Speaker 2>Okay. Yeah.

637
00:31:34.759 --> 00:31:39.000
<v Speaker 1>Finally, there is one more exit that is not covered

638
00:31:39.000 --> 00:31:44.039
<v Speaker 1>by cameras, a back service door. Now to exit through here,

639
00:31:44.079 --> 00:31:46.880
<v Speaker 1>you must exit the bar, but stay inside the building.

640
00:31:47.279 --> 00:31:50.240
<v Speaker 1>Then you need to use an elevator and some backstairs

641
00:31:50.480 --> 00:31:53.240
<v Speaker 1>in a kind of like a fire escape type fashion,

642
00:31:53.759 --> 00:31:56.839
<v Speaker 1>but enclosed in the building. You know, like those emergency

643
00:31:56.880 --> 00:31:58.680
<v Speaker 1>stairs that are on the outside of buildings. Oh yeah,

644
00:31:58.720 --> 00:32:03.119
<v Speaker 1>but not the ones outside. It's like the last internal hallway,

645
00:32:03.160 --> 00:32:03.720
<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean.

646
00:32:04.200 --> 00:32:04.960
<v Speaker 2>No, I have no idea.

647
00:32:05.079 --> 00:32:06.640
<v Speaker 1>Do you know if fire escape stairs that are like

648
00:32:06.680 --> 00:32:09.279
<v Speaker 1>typically on the outside of the buildings, I imagine that,

649
00:32:09.359 --> 00:32:13.000
<v Speaker 1>except it's just inside, okay, kind of like stairs like that. Okay,

650
00:32:13.759 --> 00:32:15.400
<v Speaker 1>So you need to go down an elevator and a

651
00:32:15.440 --> 00:32:17.359
<v Speaker 1>set of those to get to the main floor where

652
00:32:17.400 --> 00:32:21.480
<v Speaker 1>you exit through a service door. And this service door

653
00:32:21.559 --> 00:32:25.000
<v Speaker 1>goes into an industrial area which is at the time

654
00:32:25.400 --> 00:32:27.319
<v Speaker 1>under very heavy construction.

655
00:32:28.359 --> 00:32:28.720
<v Speaker 2>Okay.

656
00:32:29.160 --> 00:32:33.160
<v Speaker 1>So the lead investigator on this even said navigating this

657
00:32:33.319 --> 00:32:36.880
<v Speaker 1>area sober would not be easy and it's dark. Yeah,

658
00:32:37.039 --> 00:32:38.160
<v Speaker 1>let alone and ibriated.

659
00:32:39.039 --> 00:32:41.799
<v Speaker 2>Huh. But then I mean if he did that, then

660
00:32:42.200 --> 00:32:44.599
<v Speaker 2>I'm assuming like his body would be found kind of thing,

661
00:32:44.640 --> 00:32:45.839
<v Speaker 2>you know, and.

662
00:32:46.200 --> 00:32:49.279
<v Speaker 1>We'll touch on some of that, but yeah, the questions

663
00:32:49.319 --> 00:32:52.119
<v Speaker 1>do you come up like was this his exit? Was

664
00:32:52.160 --> 00:32:53.880
<v Speaker 1>this how we leave the bar? And if so, why

665
00:32:54.000 --> 00:32:58.440
<v Speaker 1>and what happened to him afterwards? So there have been

666
00:32:59.079 --> 00:33:01.640
<v Speaker 1>no signs of him since that night. The bar was

667
00:33:01.680 --> 00:33:04.119
<v Speaker 1>turned upside down inside out, but.

668
00:33:04.160 --> 00:33:07.599
<v Speaker 2>Nothing I could imagine it was. I'm actually very shocked

669
00:33:07.640 --> 00:33:11.319
<v Speaker 2>that I assumed that he wouldn't have been seen after

670
00:33:11.440 --> 00:33:13.680
<v Speaker 2>entering at like one p fifteen, So I'm very surprised

671
00:33:13.680 --> 00:33:16.440
<v Speaker 2>that there was footage of him at one fifty five.

672
00:33:17.039 --> 00:33:19.839
<v Speaker 2>And also if I don't wonder how many people were

673
00:33:19.920 --> 00:33:23.559
<v Speaker 2>leaving at two, like maybe he literally just couldn't be

674
00:33:23.559 --> 00:33:24.759
<v Speaker 2>seen on the footage.

675
00:33:24.960 --> 00:33:28.119
<v Speaker 1>Yep, I'm going to touch on pretty much everything you're saying.

676
00:33:28.119 --> 00:33:30.319
<v Speaker 1>Oh K, sorry, no, no, it's totally fine. Get all

677
00:33:30.319 --> 00:33:32.119
<v Speaker 1>these thoughts out. I'm just not going to respond.

678
00:33:32.200 --> 00:33:34.079
<v Speaker 2>I have those pillion thoughts going on.

679
00:33:34.200 --> 00:33:36.559
<v Speaker 1>I'm just OK, let's hit me with some because, like

680
00:33:36.599 --> 00:33:38.200
<v Speaker 1>I say, I'll just tell you if it's coming or

681
00:33:38.240 --> 00:33:39.119
<v Speaker 1>we can talk about it now.

682
00:33:41.160 --> 00:33:44.880
<v Speaker 2>I just very much so think it's a high possibility

683
00:33:44.880 --> 00:33:47.759
<v Speaker 2>that he could have exited the bar without being seen.

684
00:33:48.079 --> 00:33:51.319
<v Speaker 2>In my opinion, Okay, that is what I think would

685
00:33:51.319 --> 00:33:51.839
<v Speaker 2>have happened.

686
00:33:52.000 --> 00:33:55.480
<v Speaker 1>Okay, hold on to that theory. We will come back

687
00:33:55.480 --> 00:33:55.720
<v Speaker 1>to it.

688
00:33:55.759 --> 00:33:57.079
<v Speaker 2>Okay, Okay, sounds good.

689
00:33:57.880 --> 00:33:59.319
<v Speaker 1>So like I was saying, that the bar was turned

690
00:33:59.400 --> 00:34:02.640
<v Speaker 1>upside down, side out, there was even no purchases made

691
00:34:02.680 --> 00:34:05.519
<v Speaker 1>in his credit card, no cell phone usage after that,

692
00:34:06.279 --> 00:34:12.119
<v Speaker 1>no passport activity. Nothing was simply vanished. And now this

693
00:34:12.639 --> 00:34:16.920
<v Speaker 1>is where theories begin. So first and foremost the main theory,

694
00:34:17.320 --> 00:34:21.119
<v Speaker 1>of course, some sort of altercation. This theory says, somewhere

695
00:34:21.159 --> 00:34:24.360
<v Speaker 1>along the night or somewhere somehow Brian ran into some

696
00:34:24.480 --> 00:34:27.239
<v Speaker 1>unruly people, whether it be on the streets or in

697
00:34:27.280 --> 00:34:30.920
<v Speaker 1>the ugly tuna saluna, another bar, maybe someone from past

698
00:34:31.119 --> 00:34:34.320
<v Speaker 1>who knows, some sort of individual with some sort of

699
00:34:34.360 --> 00:34:39.800
<v Speaker 1>altercation occurred. Now somewhere inside the bar is where things

700
00:34:39.880 --> 00:34:44.280
<v Speaker 1>went wrong. Now with that, there more theories can be

701
00:34:44.360 --> 00:34:47.639
<v Speaker 1>generated as what could happen to remains of an individual

702
00:34:47.719 --> 00:34:51.599
<v Speaker 1>if this were to happen, were remains removed secretly left

703
00:34:51.639 --> 00:34:54.360
<v Speaker 1>inside the bar? How were they disposed of that sort

704
00:34:54.360 --> 00:34:58.119
<v Speaker 1>of thing? So that's a whole other can of theories.

705
00:34:58.119 --> 00:34:59.960
<v Speaker 1>I'm not going to dive into those unless you have

706
00:35:00.000 --> 00:35:01.840
<v Speaker 1>one you specifically want to talk about, well.

707
00:35:01.639 --> 00:35:04.559
<v Speaker 2>Because I imagine, I mean, he wasn't a report missing

708
00:35:04.639 --> 00:35:06.800
<v Speaker 2>until Monday, so I mean there would have been time

709
00:35:06.880 --> 00:35:10.880
<v Speaker 2>to dispose of something, I suppose. But then also if

710
00:35:10.880 --> 00:35:13.480
<v Speaker 2>he was chatting with those girls at one fifty five,

711
00:35:14.079 --> 00:35:16.840
<v Speaker 2>would they is it come up at all if they

712
00:35:16.840 --> 00:35:19.840
<v Speaker 2>say if that he was agitated or something anything was wrong.

713
00:35:21.519 --> 00:35:25.559
<v Speaker 1>I have nothing from those two girls know, but there

714
00:35:25.679 --> 00:35:33.000
<v Speaker 1>is something about maybe an altercation minor altercation that we'll

715
00:35:33.000 --> 00:35:33.679
<v Speaker 1>talk about here.

716
00:35:33.599 --> 00:35:37.320
<v Speaker 2>Shortly, okay, because I just feel like those that conversation

717
00:35:37.400 --> 00:35:39.760
<v Speaker 2>that he was having could be a big piece of

718
00:35:39.800 --> 00:35:40.360
<v Speaker 2>this puzzle.

719
00:35:40.400 --> 00:35:43.800
<v Speaker 1>Potentially could be. But again, though the security camera, he

720
00:35:43.920 --> 00:35:48.199
<v Speaker 1>was completely fine. Security footage of him next two security

721
00:35:48.199 --> 00:35:51.559
<v Speaker 1>guards who are completely casual, not alerted to anything.

722
00:35:52.400 --> 00:35:53.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but who knows what he was saying to that.

723
00:35:53.880 --> 00:35:59.639
<v Speaker 1>That's true. That's true. So next theory the construction site exit.

724
00:36:00.599 --> 00:36:03.320
<v Speaker 1>So some argue he did exit out that back door

725
00:36:03.360 --> 00:36:07.559
<v Speaker 1>to the construction site. While there he stumbled around drunk

726
00:36:07.559 --> 00:36:10.719
<v Speaker 1>and maybe got caught in equipment or of something like that,

727
00:36:10.920 --> 00:36:13.480
<v Speaker 1>or maybe he fell into a pit and there maybe

728
00:36:13.519 --> 00:36:18.559
<v Speaker 1>he laid past out or maybe even deceased. Then in

729
00:36:18.599 --> 00:36:21.719
<v Speaker 1>the waking hours of the morning, construction workers would begin

730
00:36:21.800 --> 00:36:24.800
<v Speaker 1>their shift. Maybe the first task of the day was

731
00:36:24.840 --> 00:36:28.480
<v Speaker 1>to pour fresh concrete into a hole, a hole that

732
00:36:28.800 --> 00:36:30.679
<v Speaker 1>may now be Brian's unwilling grave.

733
00:36:31.400 --> 00:36:35.559
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, before you went there, I went there. Wow, that

734
00:36:35.760 --> 00:36:38.960
<v Speaker 2>is I mean, I just think you would see the body, but.

735
00:36:39.800 --> 00:36:45.599
<v Speaker 1>Most likely, most likely. However, I do want to point

736
00:36:45.599 --> 00:36:50.440
<v Speaker 1>this out. The construction site also had security cameras, and

737
00:36:50.519 --> 00:36:53.679
<v Speaker 1>though none were pointed at the exit door specifically, there

738
00:36:53.679 --> 00:36:57.119
<v Speaker 1>were very few options to get through the construction site

739
00:36:57.199 --> 00:37:00.519
<v Speaker 1>without getting caught on camera. And yet Brian was still

740
00:37:00.559 --> 00:37:01.039
<v Speaker 1>not seen.

741
00:37:01.480 --> 00:37:05.440
<v Speaker 2>Okay, Okay, So then I don't think that's necessarily what

742
00:37:05.519 --> 00:37:06.199
<v Speaker 2>happened at all.

743
00:37:08.199 --> 00:37:10.760
<v Speaker 1>Next theory, Brian skipped town.

744
00:37:11.840 --> 00:37:12.039
<v Speaker 2>Yep.

745
00:37:12.360 --> 00:37:14.800
<v Speaker 1>So we know that Brian dreamed of a different life.

746
00:37:14.880 --> 00:37:16.760
<v Speaker 1>You know, it was one that he was going down

747
00:37:16.800 --> 00:37:18.599
<v Speaker 1>a different path in real life, and he had this

748
00:37:18.679 --> 00:37:21.440
<v Speaker 1>idea of something else, and he wasn't shy of talking

749
00:37:21.480 --> 00:37:24.119
<v Speaker 1>about this. It something he spoke openly with friends. You know.

750
00:37:24.159 --> 00:37:26.599
<v Speaker 1>We wanted to be a singer, start a band and

751
00:37:26.639 --> 00:37:30.599
<v Speaker 1>go play on beaches and live that kind of bohemian

752
00:37:30.679 --> 00:37:36.199
<v Speaker 1>life that Jimmy Buffett sings about. Sort of thing. Now,

753
00:37:36.280 --> 00:37:39.119
<v Speaker 1>It wasn't that he didn't love Alexis or the idea

754
00:37:39.159 --> 00:37:41.599
<v Speaker 1>of becoming a doctor. It just that he really loved

755
00:37:41.639 --> 00:37:46.000
<v Speaker 1>the beach life, the music life. So did he skip town,

756
00:37:46.840 --> 00:37:51.000
<v Speaker 1>leave another country, or leave to another country for his dreams? Now?

757
00:37:51.159 --> 00:37:53.320
<v Speaker 1>I can't speak on that per se, But what I

758
00:37:53.360 --> 00:37:57.239
<v Speaker 1>can say with this theory in twenty twenty two, there

759
00:37:57.320 --> 00:37:59.360
<v Speaker 1>is something that came up and I can't talk about

760
00:37:59.360 --> 00:38:03.199
<v Speaker 1>this without men this sorry twenty twenty So in twenty

761
00:38:03.239 --> 00:38:06.760
<v Speaker 1>twenty a photo of an alleged homeless American in Tijuana,

762
00:38:06.840 --> 00:38:11.239
<v Speaker 1>Mexico began making its rounds on the Internet. This homeless

763
00:38:11.280 --> 00:38:16.119
<v Speaker 1>man just so happens to look a lot like Brian Schaeffer.

764
00:38:16.440 --> 00:38:21.159
<v Speaker 2>Seriously, hey, a lot like Brian. Because yeah, I'm like,

765
00:38:21.239 --> 00:38:23.119
<v Speaker 2>I don't know if this idea is super far fetched

766
00:38:23.119 --> 00:38:25.039
<v Speaker 2>and I can talk more why I think that, but

767
00:38:25.199 --> 00:38:27.360
<v Speaker 2>like really so.

768
00:38:27.519 --> 00:38:32.559
<v Speaker 1>Internet sleuths, of course immediately gravitated toward the idea. Yeah yeah,

769
00:38:33.000 --> 00:38:36.079
<v Speaker 1>and they pointed out the similarities and everything, and they

770
00:38:36.119 --> 00:38:41.960
<v Speaker 1>began making tips to authorities. However, the FBI have reportedly

771
00:38:42.079 --> 00:38:45.199
<v Speaker 1>run facial recognition software on the photo of the alleged

772
00:38:45.199 --> 00:38:49.840
<v Speaker 1>homeless individual and compared it to photographs of Brian, and

773
00:38:49.880 --> 00:38:52.320
<v Speaker 1>they did not get a match. And I do want

774
00:38:52.320 --> 00:38:56.239
<v Speaker 1>to point out that the photograph of this apparent homeless individual,

775
00:38:57.280 --> 00:39:00.800
<v Speaker 1>it's not a super low quality image either. It's it's

776
00:39:00.800 --> 00:39:05.800
<v Speaker 1>not super grainy and pixelated. It's a fairly decent photograph.

777
00:39:06.239 --> 00:39:10.119
<v Speaker 1>So I also want to point out, is this one

778
00:39:10.199 --> 00:39:11.519
<v Speaker 1>hundred percent guarantee?

779
00:39:12.320 --> 00:39:14.320
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, No, I mean, I think you'd almost

780
00:39:14.360 --> 00:39:15.840
<v Speaker 2>have to chat with this person.

781
00:39:16.000 --> 00:39:19.119
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm not certain on what program they use. I'm

782
00:39:19.119 --> 00:39:22.360
<v Speaker 1>not certain on the capabilities or the reliabilities of said program.

783
00:39:22.599 --> 00:39:25.400
<v Speaker 1>And honestly, I'm not certain if this test was actually

784
00:39:25.480 --> 00:39:31.360
<v Speaker 1>run hum but apparently it happened, and apparently it did

785
00:39:31.400 --> 00:39:32.800
<v Speaker 1>not come back as a match.

786
00:39:33.000 --> 00:39:36.440
<v Speaker 2>I mean, they say there's people that look like you

787
00:39:36.639 --> 00:39:40.440
<v Speaker 2>right all around the world and stuff. But then I'm

788
00:39:40.480 --> 00:39:43.440
<v Speaker 2>surprised that they didn't try to hunt them this person

789
00:39:43.519 --> 00:39:45.079
<v Speaker 2>down at least and have a conversation.

790
00:39:45.519 --> 00:39:51.559
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, who knows, right, So anyways, that aside, continuing on

791
00:39:51.559 --> 00:39:56.119
<v Speaker 1>the whole skip town theory, This skipping town suggests that

792
00:39:56.159 --> 00:39:58.960
<v Speaker 1>Brian would have, as you were talking about, snuck out

793
00:39:58.960 --> 00:40:02.519
<v Speaker 1>of the bar somehow, right, So some argue perhaps he

794
00:40:02.679 --> 00:40:05.760
<v Speaker 1>changed clothes. This was planned so changed clothes or threw

795
00:40:05.800 --> 00:40:09.440
<v Speaker 1>on a hat and hid his identity. And this could

796
00:40:09.440 --> 00:40:13.920
<v Speaker 1>be a possibility. It's a very big possibility except for

797
00:40:13.960 --> 00:40:22.199
<v Speaker 1>one detail. Authorities were able to positively identify every single

798
00:40:22.519 --> 00:40:26.079
<v Speaker 1>individual on camera who left the Ugly Tuna that night,

799
00:40:26.599 --> 00:40:32.039
<v Speaker 1>really positive ID on every single person. They did not

800
00:40:32.559 --> 00:40:33.800
<v Speaker 1>find Brian leave.

801
00:40:34.719 --> 00:40:38.320
<v Speaker 2>And there's no way that he could have been in

802
00:40:38.360 --> 00:40:38.840
<v Speaker 2>that crowd.

803
00:40:39.440 --> 00:40:44.440
<v Speaker 1>Correct. They had a positive ID on everyone.

804
00:40:44.679 --> 00:40:45.079
<v Speaker 2>Wow.

805
00:40:45.159 --> 00:40:47.480
<v Speaker 1>And I don't know how they got a positive ID.

806
00:40:48.000 --> 00:40:50.559
<v Speaker 1>My assumption is a lot of bars do like ID

807
00:40:50.599 --> 00:40:54.360
<v Speaker 1>scans when you go in, and especially for bigger bars

808
00:40:54.440 --> 00:40:56.960
<v Speaker 1>like this, they would have had that technology back in

809
00:40:56.960 --> 00:41:01.360
<v Speaker 1>two thousand and six, so they probably reference those IDs

810
00:41:01.440 --> 00:41:04.360
<v Speaker 1>with the security camera and was able to identify everybody.

811
00:41:04.760 --> 00:41:06.679
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and who knows how many people were still there

812
00:41:06.719 --> 00:41:09.800
<v Speaker 2>at two in the morning too, right, Not everyone stays

813
00:41:09.840 --> 00:41:10.760
<v Speaker 2>till the bitter end like that.

814
00:41:11.239 --> 00:41:13.039
<v Speaker 1>So maybe you got fifty to one hundred people to

815
00:41:13.119 --> 00:41:16.159
<v Speaker 1>identify with a list that the bar provides you. I'm

816
00:41:16.159 --> 00:41:17.480
<v Speaker 1>pretty sure it's going to be pretty easy.

817
00:41:17.920 --> 00:41:24.239
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Wow, Okay, huh huh okay. That is interesting to me.

818
00:41:24.519 --> 00:41:27.719
<v Speaker 1>Mm hm, So where's your head at?

819
00:41:29.719 --> 00:41:33.039
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, I really feel like the skipping town

820
00:41:33.119 --> 00:41:37.280
<v Speaker 2>thing is not far fetched because he was going through

821
00:41:37.360 --> 00:41:41.519
<v Speaker 2>a lot and having like a ginormous loss like that

822
00:41:41.679 --> 00:41:45.679
<v Speaker 2>of his mom can change the way you're thinking and

823
00:41:46.840 --> 00:41:49.360
<v Speaker 2>how you want the trajectory of your life to go.

824
00:41:50.239 --> 00:41:53.800
<v Speaker 2>And also the combination of alcohol and if your mental

825
00:41:53.840 --> 00:41:58.159
<v Speaker 2>health isn't completely great, cannot always be like the best combination. Yeah,

826
00:41:58.920 --> 00:42:02.000
<v Speaker 2>and maybe just been like no, I'm I'm going to

827
00:42:02.039 --> 00:42:03.079
<v Speaker 2>just change my life here.

828
00:42:03.440 --> 00:42:06.239
<v Speaker 1>That's true. So the security cameras are so hard to

829
00:42:06.280 --> 00:42:11.000
<v Speaker 1>get by though. Something else though, Not only security cameras

830
00:42:11.000 --> 00:42:14.639
<v Speaker 1>at this bar, security cameras at the construction site, but

831
00:42:14.760 --> 00:42:21.320
<v Speaker 1>others surrounding businesses also provided security cameras. Other bars, other businesses,

832
00:42:21.400 --> 00:42:26.440
<v Speaker 1>and this area had an absurd amount of security cameras. Reportedly,

833
00:42:26.519 --> 00:42:30.599
<v Speaker 1>this area had more security cameras than three or so

834
00:42:30.800 --> 00:42:34.480
<v Speaker 1>other cities in the area surrounding them combined, and he

835
00:42:34.639 --> 00:42:37.840
<v Speaker 1>was not spotted on any of the footage provided.

836
00:42:39.840 --> 00:42:42.239
<v Speaker 2>Okay, well, I don't know because I can't imagine that.

837
00:42:42.519 --> 00:42:45.079
<v Speaker 2>I mean, there's more theories. You're gonna have more theories

838
00:42:45.079 --> 00:42:47.599
<v Speaker 2>for us here. How on earth could he be still

839
00:42:47.599 --> 00:42:47.960
<v Speaker 2>in the bar?

840
00:42:48.159 --> 00:42:50.400
<v Speaker 1>That's pretty much the theories. I mean you can go

841
00:42:50.440 --> 00:42:52.519
<v Speaker 1>down some smaller rabbit holes. And like I said, when

842
00:42:52.559 --> 00:42:54.519
<v Speaker 1>it comes down to say, for example, the first theory

843
00:42:54.559 --> 00:42:59.880
<v Speaker 1>with the altercation, say he did get murdered inside the bar, Okay,

844
00:43:00.159 --> 00:43:03.519
<v Speaker 1>how does his remains now leave the box? Because that

845
00:43:03.559 --> 00:43:04.599
<v Speaker 1>opens up a whole new door.

846
00:43:04.800 --> 00:43:07.440
<v Speaker 2>Does anyone care? I mean, they would have looked at

847
00:43:07.480 --> 00:43:09.880
<v Speaker 2>that in the footage when it was anyone carrying anything

848
00:43:09.920 --> 00:43:11.320
<v Speaker 2>suspicious out of the freaking bar.

849
00:43:11.519 --> 00:43:13.079
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they would have been looking for that, and they

850
00:43:13.079 --> 00:43:17.440
<v Speaker 1>found nothing. They did. I'm sure they did DNA testing

851
00:43:17.480 --> 00:43:20.079
<v Speaker 1>and stuff on things like the kitchen and found nothing.

852
00:43:20.719 --> 00:43:22.639
<v Speaker 1>They found nothing.

853
00:43:22.760 --> 00:43:25.119
<v Speaker 2>Something was missed one hundred percent something.

854
00:43:26.039 --> 00:43:29.159
<v Speaker 1>Of course, something was missed. But they looked and they looked,

855
00:43:29.199 --> 00:43:31.800
<v Speaker 1>and they keep coming up with nothing. So what are

856
00:43:31.840 --> 00:43:37.079
<v Speaker 1>they missing? That's the question. How does someone just disappear?

857
00:43:37.519 --> 00:43:41.599
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, I freaking I just like you do

858
00:43:41.719 --> 00:43:46.079
<v Speaker 2>this to us too often, then you really do. So

859
00:43:46.159 --> 00:43:46.719
<v Speaker 2>there are some.

860
00:43:46.760 --> 00:43:48.719
<v Speaker 1>Other theories, like I said, some smaller rabbit holes. I'm

861
00:43:48.719 --> 00:43:50.840
<v Speaker 1>gonna throw a couple of them out there. Of course,

862
00:43:50.880 --> 00:43:55.960
<v Speaker 1>there's abduction theories, alien abduction or whatever. Right, Wow, entering

863
00:43:56.000 --> 00:43:58.400
<v Speaker 1>a parallel universe of sorts, we have that sort of

864
00:43:58.400 --> 00:44:00.960
<v Speaker 1>stuff that's becoming more and more prominent with theories these days,

865
00:44:01.000 --> 00:44:07.119
<v Speaker 1>with parallel universes. Who knows what sort of strange anomaly

866
00:44:07.119 --> 00:44:10.559
<v Speaker 1>could occurred for someone to just disappear. There are videos

867
00:44:10.559 --> 00:44:15.199
<v Speaker 1>on the Internet of supposedly people just disappearing into thin air.

868
00:44:15.440 --> 00:44:21.760
<v Speaker 1>Oh wow, supposedly, whether it's just illusion, camera tricks, fakes

869
00:44:22.000 --> 00:44:25.039
<v Speaker 1>or whatever, there are videos out there. I've seen some

870
00:44:25.239 --> 00:44:28.679
<v Speaker 1>myself that they kind of correlate to this case, saying, well,

871
00:44:28.679 --> 00:44:30.960
<v Speaker 1>look at this person disappeared, The same thing could have

872
00:44:30.960 --> 00:44:34.039
<v Speaker 1>happened to Brian. Whereas that person doesn't disappear, They just

873
00:44:34.079 --> 00:44:35.760
<v Speaker 1>happen to walk in the same direction as a person

874
00:44:35.800 --> 00:44:37.760
<v Speaker 1>who passes in front of them, and it's just kind

875
00:44:37.760 --> 00:44:39.679
<v Speaker 1>of a trick of the eye sort of thing. Yeah,

876
00:44:39.840 --> 00:44:42.920
<v Speaker 1>but that's not to say that it's not a possibility.

877
00:44:43.960 --> 00:44:47.840
<v Speaker 1>So anyways, there are many other theories which are much

878
00:44:47.960 --> 00:44:51.320
<v Speaker 1>finer rabbit holes than the possibility of it being a

879
00:44:51.360 --> 00:44:55.440
<v Speaker 1>reality is a lot slimmer. But I did want to

880
00:44:55.519 --> 00:44:58.880
<v Speaker 1>leave this whole episode off on some final notes here,

881
00:44:59.519 --> 00:45:03.599
<v Speaker 1>Meredith Clint, where, of course, the first people that the

882
00:45:03.599 --> 00:45:07.360
<v Speaker 1>police interviewed following Brand's disappearance usually it's you know, your

883
00:45:07.400 --> 00:45:11.480
<v Speaker 1>significant other. However, Alexis had an alibi. She was out

884
00:45:11.519 --> 00:45:13.840
<v Speaker 1>of town with her family. It's just pointing that out.

885
00:45:14.480 --> 00:45:16.360
<v Speaker 1>So Meredith and Clint were, of course the first two

886
00:45:16.360 --> 00:45:19.199
<v Speaker 1>people that they went to. Now the two were with

887
00:45:19.280 --> 00:45:22.000
<v Speaker 1>him most of the night, and they made multiple attempts

888
00:45:22.000 --> 00:45:25.159
<v Speaker 1>to call him and contact him and find him at

889
00:45:25.559 --> 00:45:28.000
<v Speaker 1>the Ugly Tuna Saluna love that.

890
00:45:29.440 --> 00:45:32.159
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Okay, someone needs to count how many times been

891
00:45:32.400 --> 00:45:34.840
<v Speaker 2>oh God said that this episode. I feel like it's

892
00:45:34.840 --> 00:45:35.840
<v Speaker 2>probably like about ten.

893
00:45:37.760 --> 00:45:41.440
<v Speaker 1>Meredith would actually volunteer and take will not volunteer. She

894
00:45:41.519 --> 00:45:44.440
<v Speaker 1>was asked to, and she agreed to take a polygraph

895
00:45:44.480 --> 00:45:47.000
<v Speaker 1>test about a month after the incident to rule her

896
00:45:47.000 --> 00:45:51.360
<v Speaker 1>out as a suspect, and she agreed and passed. Clint, however,

897
00:45:52.119 --> 00:45:56.519
<v Speaker 1>lawyered up pretty quick really, and he reportedly refused to

898
00:45:56.559 --> 00:45:58.280
<v Speaker 1>take the polygraph.

899
00:45:58.360 --> 00:46:02.199
<v Speaker 2>I mean, that's not and that's not a I'm guilty

900
00:46:02.239 --> 00:46:04.760
<v Speaker 2>for sure thing. No, I don't think a lot of

901
00:46:04.800 --> 00:46:06.400
<v Speaker 2>people I think would turn that down.

902
00:46:07.840 --> 00:46:14.159
<v Speaker 1>It's very very possible. So he has also reportedly been

903
00:46:14.360 --> 00:46:17.960
<v Speaker 1>quite abrasive and elusive regarding the disappearance of his friend

904
00:46:17.960 --> 00:46:19.239
<v Speaker 1>Brian ever since.

905
00:46:19.480 --> 00:46:21.760
<v Speaker 2>Well, he was probably very intoxicated.

906
00:46:21.960 --> 00:46:27.119
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, in two thousand and nine emails to reporters, Clint wrote, quote,

907
00:46:27.679 --> 00:46:31.000
<v Speaker 1>any and all questions you have for me should be

908
00:46:31.039 --> 00:46:33.519
<v Speaker 1>directed to my attorney, Neil Rosenberg.

909
00:46:34.559 --> 00:46:34.920
<v Speaker 2>Hmmm.

910
00:46:35.480 --> 00:46:39.280
<v Speaker 1>It has also been reported that Brian and Clint actually

911
00:46:39.360 --> 00:46:41.719
<v Speaker 1>got in a bit of an argument at the Ugly

912
00:46:41.800 --> 00:46:47.719
<v Speaker 1>Tuna Saluna that night, and some actually speculate that Clint

913
00:46:47.840 --> 00:46:51.960
<v Speaker 1>may have been involved in a plan with Brian, a

914
00:46:52.000 --> 00:46:54.519
<v Speaker 1>plan where he intended to skip down.

915
00:46:56.119 --> 00:46:58.280
<v Speaker 2>Okay, because I did find it very odd that the

916
00:46:58.280 --> 00:47:01.320
<v Speaker 2>whole time there that they weren't really hanging out. I mean,

917
00:47:01.360 --> 00:47:04.639
<v Speaker 2>I know that the woman joined them, I forget her name,

918
00:47:04.679 --> 00:47:09.800
<v Speaker 2>Meredith or something. Yes, Meredith joined so maybe Clinton them

919
00:47:10.039 --> 00:47:12.400
<v Speaker 2>her had a thing or who knows, But they had

920
00:47:12.440 --> 00:47:14.360
<v Speaker 2>spent the whole night, So it was weird to me

921
00:47:14.719 --> 00:47:16.960
<v Speaker 2>while you're telling this that they hadn't spent that much

922
00:47:17.000 --> 00:47:18.079
<v Speaker 2>time at the last bar.

923
00:47:20.320 --> 00:47:24.639
<v Speaker 1>Well, they showed up forty five minutes before it closed, right, Yeah,

924
00:47:24.679 --> 00:47:27.119
<v Speaker 1>we'd all go in forty five minutes together, and then

925
00:47:27.119 --> 00:47:30.559
<v Speaker 1>at some point he disappears into the crowd, but is

926
00:47:30.639 --> 00:47:32.960
<v Speaker 1>seen on camera five minutes before closing.

927
00:47:33.719 --> 00:47:35.800
<v Speaker 2>Okay, so you think he may have had a plan

928
00:47:36.280 --> 00:47:38.079
<v Speaker 2>and Clint was involved.

929
00:47:37.800 --> 00:47:39.719
<v Speaker 1>I'm not saying I think, but I'm saying it is

930
00:47:40.400 --> 00:47:41.000
<v Speaker 1>the theory.

931
00:47:41.159 --> 00:47:41.480
<v Speaker 2>Okay.

932
00:47:42.880 --> 00:47:46.280
<v Speaker 1>Now, in some interviews, Brian's brother Derek would go on

933
00:47:46.400 --> 00:47:53.000
<v Speaker 1>and say something seems off with Clint, stating, quote the

934
00:47:53.039 --> 00:47:56.000
<v Speaker 1>way he talked about my brother after we went missing,

935
00:47:57.199 --> 00:48:00.199
<v Speaker 1>kind of in a negative way. I wouldn't expect that

936
00:48:00.280 --> 00:48:01.920
<v Speaker 1>from someone whose friend vanished.

937
00:48:03.599 --> 00:48:06.440
<v Speaker 2>Huh. Well, yeah, because you think that you would literally

938
00:48:06.880 --> 00:48:11.400
<v Speaker 2>be trying to do everything you could, Yeah, especially try

939
00:48:11.400 --> 00:48:13.559
<v Speaker 2>to solve and help this like I'm the last person

940
00:48:13.599 --> 00:48:16.239
<v Speaker 2>with this man, Like, oh my god, let's find him,

941
00:48:16.280 --> 00:48:17.320
<v Speaker 2>Like we gotta get going.

942
00:48:17.559 --> 00:48:21.760
<v Speaker 1>You could literally hold the key to finding your best friend. Yeah,

943
00:48:21.800 --> 00:48:24.280
<v Speaker 1>and you shut up and lawyer up. I mean, I

944
00:48:24.280 --> 00:48:26.880
<v Speaker 1>sure understand you are a prime suspect. Lawyering up, I

945
00:48:26.960 --> 00:48:29.880
<v Speaker 1>get that, But being unwilling to help you know what

946
00:48:29.960 --> 00:48:30.239
<v Speaker 1>I mean?

947
00:48:30.480 --> 00:48:33.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, But I mean if you were very willing and

948
00:48:34.119 --> 00:48:37.280
<v Speaker 2>giving all the information, literally everything you knew, you wouldn't

949
00:48:37.280 --> 00:48:38.960
<v Speaker 2>necessarily have to just lawyer up.

950
00:48:39.039 --> 00:48:40.280
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, if you have nothing to hide.

951
00:48:40.559 --> 00:48:42.079
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Holy.

952
00:48:42.800 --> 00:48:45.440
<v Speaker 1>So Derek would continue on in his interview with the

953
00:48:45.480 --> 00:48:48.119
<v Speaker 1>subject and mention that he and his family deserve to

954
00:48:48.239 --> 00:48:53.039
<v Speaker 1>know any information Clint may have, if any regarding Brian's disappearance.

955
00:48:53.159 --> 00:48:54.280
<v Speaker 2>Absolutely they do.

956
00:48:55.199 --> 00:48:59.360
<v Speaker 1>To this day, Clint has said nothing further, There's no

957
00:48:59.440 --> 00:49:03.559
<v Speaker 1>more evidence regarding Brand's disappearance. Nothing has been found, and

958
00:49:03.599 --> 00:49:09.880
<v Speaker 1>nothing has even come close to proving anything. Brian simply disappeared.

959
00:49:10.880 --> 00:49:13.880
<v Speaker 1>Cameras never saw him exit the bar, and he's never

960
00:49:13.960 --> 00:49:14.800
<v Speaker 1>been seen since.

961
00:49:17.079 --> 00:49:20.599
<v Speaker 2>Wow. But I mean, and I'm sure that they examined

962
00:49:20.639 --> 00:49:26.000
<v Speaker 2>Clinton leaving too, Like what on earth? Holy?

963
00:49:26.679 --> 00:49:30.039
<v Speaker 1>Yeah? See, when I dove into this episode, I thought

964
00:49:30.079 --> 00:49:32.440
<v Speaker 1>the same sort of thing. He probably got lost in

965
00:49:32.440 --> 00:49:34.880
<v Speaker 1>the crowd. They just didn't see. But the fact that

966
00:49:34.920 --> 00:49:37.519
<v Speaker 1>there is so many security cameras, not just the ones

967
00:49:37.519 --> 00:49:40.360
<v Speaker 1>at the bar exit, there is the security cameras for

968
00:49:40.400 --> 00:49:44.000
<v Speaker 1>the bar, the construction site, the surrounding business. And they

969
00:49:44.119 --> 00:49:49.599
<v Speaker 1>positive they had positive identification for every single person caught

970
00:49:49.719 --> 00:49:54.000
<v Speaker 1>on camera leaving the bar, and none of them were Brian.

971
00:49:54.480 --> 00:49:55.880
<v Speaker 2>Okay, so what do you think?

972
00:49:56.159 --> 00:50:00.000
<v Speaker 1>I have no fuck the clue. I lots of time

973
00:50:00.159 --> 00:50:03.559
<v Speaker 1>will have theories. This one, I've got fucking nothing.

974
00:50:04.280 --> 00:50:08.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, this is unbelievable because the theory of him being

975
00:50:09.000 --> 00:50:12.320
<v Speaker 2>even if there was some altercation in the bar, or

976
00:50:12.360 --> 00:50:15.199
<v Speaker 2>like he got murdered in the bar. Yeah, the amount

977
00:50:15.239 --> 00:50:19.400
<v Speaker 2>of forensic evidence that they were probably gathering in there,

978
00:50:20.000 --> 00:50:21.079
<v Speaker 2>you would know.

979
00:50:21.519 --> 00:50:26.280
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So I am going to offer my best theory,

980
00:50:27.000 --> 00:50:30.840
<v Speaker 1>but again I have no fucking clue. So my best

981
00:50:30.880 --> 00:50:35.800
<v Speaker 1>theory is the construction site exit. He's inebriated, maybe there's

982
00:50:35.840 --> 00:50:41.239
<v Speaker 1>an altercation, whatever, Maybe he's heaven forbid dismembered. Maybe he

983
00:50:41.400 --> 00:50:46.880
<v Speaker 1>is stumbling free willingly. One way or another. He exits

984
00:50:46.880 --> 00:50:51.199
<v Speaker 1>that door. He doesn't go far, which explains why he's

985
00:50:51.239 --> 00:50:54.199
<v Speaker 1>not caught on camera because the cameras aren't pointed at

986
00:50:54.239 --> 00:50:58.000
<v Speaker 1>that door. Okay, okay, So if he continues past that

987
00:50:58.079 --> 00:50:59.800
<v Speaker 1>door much, he probably would have got caught on camera,

988
00:50:59.840 --> 00:51:03.880
<v Speaker 1>but he doesn't. There's probably maybe an immediate dumpster of

989
00:51:03.880 --> 00:51:07.079
<v Speaker 1>some sort with construction debris that is pulled out daily

990
00:51:07.360 --> 00:51:10.199
<v Speaker 1>or every other day. Maybe there is a pit immediately

991
00:51:10.239 --> 00:51:13.960
<v Speaker 1>there that got filled in with concrete right outside that door.

992
00:51:14.400 --> 00:51:17.760
<v Speaker 1>I'm going to bet there was some way he could

993
00:51:17.800 --> 00:51:22.400
<v Speaker 1>get past the cameras, and I'm not gonna bet that

994
00:51:22.519 --> 00:51:23.840
<v Speaker 1>it was alive.

995
00:51:25.280 --> 00:51:27.719
<v Speaker 2>Dang, And you know, and they wouldn't have searched this

996
00:51:27.920 --> 00:51:29.400
<v Speaker 2>construction site though.

997
00:51:29.840 --> 00:51:32.679
<v Speaker 1>By the time they search it, it's gonna be Monday

998
00:51:32.760 --> 00:51:38.280
<v Speaker 1>or Tuesday. Yeah, I'm not saying it was murder. It

999
00:51:38.280 --> 00:51:40.079
<v Speaker 1>could have been an accident. Oh yeah, I got out

1000
00:51:40.159 --> 00:51:44.039
<v Speaker 1>that door, stumbled, hit his head, and rolled into a trench.

1001
00:51:44.239 --> 00:51:48.159
<v Speaker 1>Who knows. Maybe he crawled into a shoot or something,

1002
00:51:48.199 --> 00:51:51.239
<v Speaker 1>thinking hey, this is drunk fun, and got stuck, and

1003
00:51:51.280 --> 00:51:54.280
<v Speaker 1>then deb collapsed in on him and he got shoved

1004
00:51:54.320 --> 00:51:58.719
<v Speaker 1>away in something. Who knows. But my theory is somehow,

1005
00:51:58.920 --> 00:52:02.920
<v Speaker 1>right outside that door, he got shoved inside something somehow

1006
00:52:03.440 --> 00:52:06.280
<v Speaker 1>and got mixed up and taken away before people even

1007
00:52:06.320 --> 00:52:07.400
<v Speaker 1>reported a missing Kay.

1008
00:52:07.480 --> 00:52:11.719
<v Speaker 2>But why would Clint be so sketched then, because there's

1009
00:52:11.760 --> 00:52:14.920
<v Speaker 2>really with something like that happening, there would be absolutely

1010
00:52:14.960 --> 00:52:15.719
<v Speaker 2>no reason.

1011
00:52:15.480 --> 00:52:18.360
<v Speaker 1>For him to be No, you're right. My theory for

1012
00:52:18.440 --> 00:52:22.320
<v Speaker 1>him being so sketch is he's probably feeling defensive because

1013
00:52:22.800 --> 00:52:24.800
<v Speaker 1>I'm going to catch blame for this. I didn't do it,

1014
00:52:24.840 --> 00:52:26.800
<v Speaker 1>but people are going to point fingers and think I

1015
00:52:26.880 --> 00:52:27.199
<v Speaker 1>did it.

1016
00:52:27.480 --> 00:52:29.039
<v Speaker 2>That makes sense, So.

1017
00:52:28.960 --> 00:52:32.920
<v Speaker 1>He's probably feeling responsible but knowing he didn't do anything wrong.

1018
00:52:33.199 --> 00:52:38.039
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's really too bad that they can't. I mean,

1019
00:52:38.079 --> 00:52:41.920
<v Speaker 2>you just can't but dig up this construction side of sorts.

1020
00:52:41.960 --> 00:52:44.960
<v Speaker 2>But even if they did it, they couldn't potentially find anything.

1021
00:52:44.960 --> 00:52:47.400
<v Speaker 2>And I also feel like it'd be very interesting to

1022
00:52:47.800 --> 00:52:49.119
<v Speaker 2>find that homeless man.

1023
00:52:49.559 --> 00:52:52.480
<v Speaker 1>Well, I'm I'm going to assume that most likely, once

1024
00:52:52.559 --> 00:52:55.840
<v Speaker 1>the search started a couple days after this construction starting,

1025
00:52:56.519 --> 00:52:59.159
<v Speaker 1>they would have looked into things like fresh poored concrete.

1026
00:53:00.039 --> 00:53:02.159
<v Speaker 1>So I'm going to assume he's not buried in concrete

1027
00:53:02.239 --> 00:53:07.360
<v Speaker 1>or anything. So I think something being taken away from

1028
00:53:07.360 --> 00:53:10.039
<v Speaker 1>the site prior to investigation is the only thing I

1029
00:53:10.039 --> 00:53:12.239
<v Speaker 1>can think of. But it is a slim chance, but

1030
00:53:12.320 --> 00:53:16.840
<v Speaker 1>it's the only realistic chance I see, wow, or most realistic.

1031
00:53:16.920 --> 00:53:21.840
<v Speaker 2>This poor family, right, that is horrible. It is horrible

1032
00:53:21.880 --> 00:53:22.440
<v Speaker 2>to deal with.

1033
00:53:22.840 --> 00:53:25.800
<v Speaker 1>It's absolutely dreadful, and I feel so bad for them.

1034
00:53:25.960 --> 00:53:28.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Like I mean you, I'm a day wouldn't go

1035
00:53:28.840 --> 00:53:31.159
<v Speaker 2>by that. You're not it's not on your mind and

1036
00:53:31.199 --> 00:53:32.400
<v Speaker 2>you're not trying to figure it out.

1037
00:53:32.760 --> 00:53:33.519
<v Speaker 1>What's your theory?

1038
00:53:35.199 --> 00:53:44.960
<v Speaker 2>Man? I know they are so turning. I don't know

1039
00:53:44.960 --> 00:53:47.960
<v Speaker 2>if I agree with your theory. I don't know what

1040
00:53:48.039 --> 00:53:54.280
<v Speaker 2>you oh, man, because you've got I'm going to put

1041
00:53:54.320 --> 00:53:56.280
<v Speaker 2>on the spot here. It's easier someone's to come up

1042
00:53:56.280 --> 00:53:59.400
<v Speaker 2>with theory after you've researched it, you know. But I

1043
00:53:59.559 --> 00:54:03.679
<v Speaker 2>just feel like the running away thing is my.

1044
00:54:05.239 --> 00:54:07.920
<v Speaker 1>Best guess, that's what I want to believe too. But

1045
00:54:08.000 --> 00:54:09.960
<v Speaker 1>the one thing that stops me is how did he

1046
00:54:10.039 --> 00:54:12.400
<v Speaker 1>get past all these cameras?

1047
00:54:12.800 --> 00:54:16.480
<v Speaker 2>I don't know. I just feel like there could potentially

1048
00:54:17.039 --> 00:54:20.920
<v Speaker 2>be a way. What happens if he even spent this

1049
00:54:21.079 --> 00:54:23.559
<v Speaker 2>just popped my brain. But had stayed in that bar

1050
00:54:24.840 --> 00:54:26.239
<v Speaker 2>and then left later?

1051
00:54:26.679 --> 00:54:29.199
<v Speaker 1>Oh, they checked cameras, Yeah, but they looked.

1052
00:54:29.400 --> 00:54:31.920
<v Speaker 2>Could there not be a way that he could get

1053
00:54:31.920 --> 00:54:34.519
<v Speaker 2>out that I think there would? There could be?

1054
00:54:35.280 --> 00:54:38.679
<v Speaker 1>The only ways are I mean, maybe there's some air

1055
00:54:38.760 --> 00:54:41.519
<v Speaker 1>ducting or sewer great, maybe I don't know, but the

1056
00:54:41.559 --> 00:54:45.719
<v Speaker 1>only appropriate entrances and exits are the ones we discussed.

1057
00:54:46.039 --> 00:54:48.360
<v Speaker 2>And then also, I guess even too, if he did

1058
00:54:48.400 --> 00:54:51.400
<v Speaker 2>sneak away and he's living this different life at some point,

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<v Speaker 2>you think, especially if it maybe didn't go as as

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<v Speaker 2>according to how he hoped or planned that he'd come back,

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<v Speaker 2>you know. Yeah, So I don't know. Gosh, I'm really

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<v Speaker 2>not putting much out there for what I think because

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<v Speaker 2>this is wild, and I honestly am like, I have

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<v Speaker 2>no idea.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I want to hear what everyone else out there thinks.

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<v Speaker 1>If you're still listening right now, shoot us a message

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<v Speaker 1>or an email or something. Let's hear your theories. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>totally came and open to hear it because I pretty

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<v Speaker 1>much got nothing at this point.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, this is crazy. Well, well, definitely, like you have

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<v Speaker 2>to put a post up and everyone can comment on there,

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<v Speaker 2>because I really want to know what people think too,

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<v Speaker 2>because this one is one of the most I have

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<v Speaker 2>no idea, Like, I'm at a loss. It's like you're

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<v Speaker 2>at a loss, Bafflely. Yeah, thanks, Ben, You're welcome.

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<v Speaker 1>Good luck, good luck sleeping tonight.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, I feel like my brain is mush. It's late

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<v Speaker 2>right now, but it's not settling down here.

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<v Speaker 1>Well I'm sorry for that. Hopefully your brain settles down

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<v Speaker 1>a bit again. Though. We appreciate you guys all being here.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you so much for the support you do and

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<v Speaker 1>show to our show. We're just a couple sitting in

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<v Speaker 1>a tiny homer court this so thank you so much.

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<v Speaker 1>for being here, so thank you, thank you

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<v Speaker 2>So much, and honestly, that was really good, really well done, awesome,

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you so Until next week, he stay wicked.