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Speaker 1: Welcome back, everyone to a new episode of You're Wrong

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with Molly Hemingway, editor in chief of The Federalist and

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David Harsani, senior writer at The Washington Examiner. Just as

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a reminder, if you'd like to email the show, please

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do so at radio at the Federalist dot com. We

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love to hear from you. Molly. How's it going.

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Speaker 2: It's going great. How are you doing.

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Speaker 1: We'll under the weather, I think we both are, but

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we'll do our best. Yes, certainly, we don't have it

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as bad as people in Florida right now, especially in

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the Tampa area right I mean, Milton's barreling in as

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we record, and it looks like it's going to be

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one of the big one, you know, biggest hurricane in years.

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Speaker 2: Maybe second Yeah, I just first of all, Ball, I

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want to say, the level of coverage we're getting for

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Milton is more like what I wanted for Helene. You know,

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I am very interested in the weather and hurricanes, and

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it just seems like Helleen, both on the front end

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and then in the aftermath, there just hasn't been enough

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media coverage to satisfy my desire for news and information.

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Whereas Milton you're getting a ton like I love learning

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about how powerful the storm is, even as terrifying as

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it is that it is so powerful, and they're explaining,

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you know, how the small eye relates to the incredible

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power and how much water is getting sucked up and

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going to be dumped on people. But I also saw

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on Twitter last night someone had a local weather weather

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woman giving just like a completely straightforward account of this

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hurricane without all of the hysteria. And I think she's

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the Tampa weather person, And I was like, it is

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interesting that the local weather person is so much calmer

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than you go to weather channel and they're like it's apocalyptic,

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everyone's gonna die, it's gonna be horrible. And then the

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local person was like, you're gonna want to make sure

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to stay inside between the hours of you know, two

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to five or whatever. It was much calmer.

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Speaker 1: Well, I think sometimes you want to maybe or on

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the side of caution, and you know, I mean, especially

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when you have a big storm coming. But it seems

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to me like, yeah, people in Florida deal with hurricanes

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all the time, and they know what they're doing most

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of the time. But yeah, quickly, one thing on the

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coverage of Helene. Me and my wife were watching YouTube

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just locals and they, you know, going around. The locals

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are doing far you know I'm talking about you know,

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amateur journalists with just their phones. We're doing a better

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job than any media coverage I saw. So we I

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was just watching, like we were watching maybe you know,

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an hour of just locals driving around showing you what's

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going on, talking to people, and it was a really

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interesting stuff. I mean, I'll just.

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Speaker 2: Point out that when there is a hurricane, like when

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when Katrina happened, and of course the real problem with

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Katrina was the aftermath and Orleans with the levies breaking,

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and you had every major media outlet there going through

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the muck, showcasing the people who were hurt, really devoting

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a lot of resources to making sure people understood how

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difficult it was for the people in New Orleans in

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the aftermath of Helene. And of course it covered such

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a bigger area, So there might be some areas that

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are doing better than other areas. There might even be

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some areas where the federal government is doing a halfway

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decent job and other areas where nobody has had any

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government interaction. But you just don't see that much major

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media attention to the Helene aftermath. Now, maybe because Florida

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is more people are more experienced with hurricanes, you're going

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to see better stuff there. But the media coverage of

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Helene has been a true failure.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure. I don't know why. I mean, my

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first instinct was to say that there's just a bias

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against places that journalists don't know, at least national journalists

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don't care about, or don't know or don't live in

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those places. Then I was being more charitable, and I

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said to myself, maybe they just weren't prepared for this

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sort of thing out there, you know, and they couldn't

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get there. That's like the charitable view.

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Speaker 2: No, it's really that they just don't want to hurt

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Kamala Harris, and she was in they don't want to

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have coverage that showcases a poor federal response.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Then I quickly slapped myself and said, what are

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you doing, David, And that's exactly what I came to.

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I just don't think they want to hurt, you know,

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the Kamo's campaign. And clearly I don't know that everything

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people are saying about FEMA is exactly true, but it's

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clear to me after like taking a deep dive that

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FEMA is not doing a great job here to say

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the least, and people need help and I don't know

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if it's just government in competence or what it is,

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but it's not good.

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Speaker 2: Well, if you recall, much of the problem after Katrina

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was poor local and staf response, and the corporate media

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decided to make it all about FEMA, And here you

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have a different situation where the local response couldn't be

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better in most of these cases, with you know, even

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with just communities rallying to help each other, state having

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some problems and the federal government having a ton of problems.

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is really just a wonderful agency in every way, and

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that it's misinformation to complain about the federal response. It's

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it's just h yeah, FEMA's like every other federal agency,

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riddled with waste, fraud, and mismanagement its location.

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Speaker 1: It's like one event after the next exposes one agency,

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and one institution after the next is just being incompetent

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and terribly run. From this you know, secret service now

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to FEMA, who knows, you know what the next thing is,

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So anyway, so you see the.

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Speaker 2: Thing where Kamala Harris tried to make Milton be about her,

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and she was claimed she like strolls up to a

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bunch of reporters and she says, Ron Santas is playing

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politics and he won't take my phone call. And Rond

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de Santis was like, I'm literally on the phone with

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the actual president, the actual person in the chain of command,

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and I don't know why Kamala Harris is trying to

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make this all about her. And it was weird.

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Speaker 1: I thought that desantish when he was I think it

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was on Sean Hannit he asked him about that, and

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his answer is just amazing. I mean he first of all,

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he's so it's so weird for me to watch a

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politician speak and coherent, succinct sentences about the topic at hand,

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answer a question, look and feel, exude competence. But that's

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what to me, Ron DeSantis was doing when he answered

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this question. Why on earth would he take a call

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from the vice president? And this he pointed to this

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out who he's never who's never called him in other

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hurricanes that have happened, he has. And then what I

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loved was that Joe Biden completely undercut Kamal about saying that, yeah,

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he's doing a census, is doing a great job. He

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as my number we talk. I don't know if he's

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doing that. People seem to think that he's trying to

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sink Kamala. I'm not sure about that.

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Speaker 2: But it just seems more like it's a return to

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the Joe Biden of old, the one that was, for

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whatever his many faults, was a kind of a likable,

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decent guy. He went into that full I'm trying to

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get my enemies killed mode where he did the dark,

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dark Brandon, you know, fascist speech, saying his enemies are

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all the worst people in the world. And it was

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it was awful, but it was also kind of unlike

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what he had been known as. He'd been a more lovable,

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likable figure from Scranton. So a couple of weeks ago,

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do you remember when he went and visited the fire

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station near where flight ninety three went down, and everyone

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in the everyone in the venue was so for Donald Trump,

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and he's a little uncomfortable, but then he ends up

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kind of joking about it, and the guy wants him

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to put his Trump on and he does it, and

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it was it was just kind of a return to

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a less hostile political environment.

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Speaker 1: And then he's not running again yet, and.

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Speaker 2: Everyone thinks he's going after Kamla because he's saying things

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that are true. So he's you know, people, she's trying

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to do this weird. She's not actually trying very hard

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at this apparently, but we were told that she's trying

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to separate herself from Joe Biden. And so then Joe

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Biden was asked, if you know some question, He's like, oh,

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Kamala Harris was one hundred percent my vice president or

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is one hundred percent my vice president, and she's active

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in everything, and everyone's like, oh, he's being mean to

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her without realizing like it is just true. She is

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the incumbent vice president. He did pick her. They have

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been a team for four years. Like he's not actually

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sabotaging her. No, everyone's acting like it is because they

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want to separate them.

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Speaker 1: And think about his point of view. In his from

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his perspective, he's a good president, and he's trying to

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praise her by saying she took part in all the

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decisions he made. That he thinks that is praise. He

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thinks that is helping her.

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Speaker 2: I do want to say one thing about what actually

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separates them. You know, the media are all trying to

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separate her from Joe Biden. The thing that actually separates

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them is what we're just talking about. She's a much

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more radical person than he is, and I think that

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explains why she's struggling so much in the polls. And

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you could say, well, is she really struggling. She's up

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two points in the Real Clear Politics average. That's absolutely true.

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She's up two points in the RCP average. Biden on

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this date are on this, you know, twenty eight days

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out or twenty seven days out of the race. In

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twenty twenty, he was up ten. So yeah, she's eight

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points behind Biden. You're seeing her struggles with men, and

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I think it does relate to how her radicalism is

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more difficult to hide and she doesn't have the political

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chops that Joe Biden has. So Joe Biden was able

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to push some pretty far left policy ideas while presenting

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himself as a moderate. I think it was a big

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reason why he was able to win in twenty twenty.

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He won by forty three thousand votes across three states.

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But the idea was he's moderate, he's calm, he's in charge,

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he's an adult, will have less chaos. He's like normal,

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and she's unable to hide her extremism. And this is

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best represented by those two ads that the Trump campaign

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is airing in Swing states everywhere during football games and

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baseball games, so people are actually seeing them, you know,

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like if you don't er him in live events, you

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can just fast forward through ads, but not when it's

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a football game. And it's these ads showing that she

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was so proud of herself for pushing taxpayer funded genital

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mutilation surgeries for violent criminals and illegal immigrants. And it

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sounds crazy, but it's absolutely true. And so you've got

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her in her own words on these ads out there

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talking and people are starting to freak out, Like I

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saw today the New York Times and Semaphore and NBC.

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I think they all have stories like these trans ads

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are really helping Trump, so they're bad. And Joe Scarborough

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was freaking out. He said he like motions to the

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men quote unquote men at his table, and he's like,

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these ads don't affect men like us, but they do

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affect like real men in Swing states and.

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Speaker 1: Anyway, Kamala could not when she was asked by sixty

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minute minutes what differentiates her from Biden? After that, nothing does.

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She could not answer that question. It was one of

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her vapid you know word salads, platitudes all that. Then

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she goes on Colbert at night and he because he's

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a complete hack, I don't care that he's a late

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night guy or not the same question, so that she

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can she has a redo like a whiffle ball, and

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she cannot answer it. Again, she cannot answer a question.

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I've never seen something like this in my life, never

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in a presidential.

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Speaker 2: Candidate, So it is shocking to see. Although I'd kind

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of like to discuss what would be a good answer exactly,

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meaning any answer she gives will then beget more questions.

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Speaker 1: A good answer would be, I'm listen. I was his

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vice president. I was loyal to him. I did it

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was his agenda, not my agenda, so I helped him.

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I would have done things differently on AB and C.

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It's very easy to answer that question if she actually

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had any kind of belief system prom with her.

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Speaker 2: Let's say, let's say she would have done something to

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control the border. Wouldn't that lead to questions about, oh,

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why before you were his VP, were you wanting a

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completely open border with every possible gift to illegal aliens,

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and why when you were listening charge of the issues

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did you not do anything?

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Speaker 1: Or well, Molly Hemingway that here it is, I you know,

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there is. When you're campaigning sometimes you see the world

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differently from when you're actually in the White House. When

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you get to the White House, you realize how difficult

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things are. You realize that it's not so simple. World

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is more complicated. I would not have enacted those policies.

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I would have done AB ANDC whatever. I mean. These

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people have a whole teams of people who are supposed

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to be writing and coming up with answers for them

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and all of that, and she doesn't seem to add

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any well.

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Speaker 2: And partly that's just a result of her unique political history.

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So she won races in California, and she has never

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won a race outside of California, with the exception of

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being Joe Biden's VP, which is a big one. But

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she wasn't really it wasn't really her responsibility to message

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a more moderate or conciliatory tone. In fact, when he

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was picking her to be his VP. The whole point

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was that she would keep the crazy left flank of

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the party confident enough to vote for him.

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Speaker 1: Right, that was also an identity political identity pick, which

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she had promised.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, for sure, okay, and she she didn't have

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to moderate at all, even in that presidential run. And

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so Joe Biden again, say what you want about him.

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He's been in office for about one hundred and eighty years,

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which is a lot of elections to win, and it

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means reaching out across political divides, or at least figuring

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out how to present yourself as a moderate. You know,

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you say, I'm totally for ripping a baby from the

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womb at nine months, but you figure out how to

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say it in a way that doesn't that people can't

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capture that sound bite. Whereas she was having the almost

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exact opposite situation. She was having to sound even crazier

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than a normal you know, than a normal crazy lefty

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in order to win primaries, in order to make a

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name for herself. You know, when she was on in

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the Senate, she wanted to raise money for a presidential run.

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You know, she clearly is very ambitious, and the lane

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she chose was crazy, crazy lefty, and so she just

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doesn't have any experience moderating how she sounds. Plus, she's

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clearly not smart, and I don't know, it is so

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rude to talk about intelligence this way, but she is.

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She is a dumb not a dumb individual. But you know,

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at the height of affirmative action. She went to Howard

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and Hastings law School. She failed the bar exam the

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first time. She's not like a true idiot. But she's

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also not winning any intellectual awards.

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Speaker 1: Right, I think that's part of it. But I also

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think what's part of I don't think she's a radical

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in the way let's say Barack Obama was a radical.

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I don't believe she has any principles. So her radicalism

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is that she will take any authoritarian position to further

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her own power. It's not like left wing or right.

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I mean, I think she would say anything for power.

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you need to switch a position or to or even moderate.

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so you can't even really you're not a real person anymore.

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I don't even know that she knows what to say,

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because she doesn't believe anything. I mean, that's just my

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theory on her. So you listen, if you ask, if

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someone asks you a question, you're going to answer it

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because you have a belief system, right. You know what

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you think about abortion, for instance. I think she would

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take any position to win, and more than most politicians.

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And I just think she just doesn't know how to

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answer a question. And we might have mentioned this last week.

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I also think the problem is these people never have

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to answer tough questions. They're not used to it. They

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are not practiced. They don't know what to say. Donald

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Trump say you what you want about him. He's out

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there answering crazy questions all the time. And Jade Vance

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is a more polished candidate because he's out there answering

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tough questions daily. Whereas Tim Walls, as soon as he

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was asked a tough question, he fumbled, he didn't know

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how to answer it. So anyway, you mentioned I.

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Speaker 2: Want to keep talking about the media tour, but I

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have a quick digression here on jd Vance. So yesterday,

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an Afghan translator who had been brought to the US

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on that special refugee status after the end of the

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war in Afghanistan was arrested for plotting a terror attack

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in Oklahoma for election day. And it was really interesting because,

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well it's really interesting and horrible first of all, but

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when the Biden administration, with the support of a ton

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of establishment Republicans, did this fast track to bring in

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unvetted Afghans, a lot of people were critical of it,

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including jd Vance who said he would like to prioritize

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getting Americans out of Afghanistan before we do this special

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refugee thing. And Chris Wallace had Ben sass On to

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talk about this and he's like, jd Vance says he

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cares about Americans, please respond And Ben sass was like, well,

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you know, we have an obligation to these people. They're

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welcome to be my next door neighbor. You know what

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could possibly go wrong? And at the time, I remember

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Philip Bump wrote a piece saying like jd Vance has

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evolved into the type of candidate he used to abhor

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because it was all about Jade Vance sounding the alarm

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about unvetted Afghan translators. Did this people ever go back

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and think about how it played out, you know, like

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exactly what jd Vance said would happen, which also is

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exactly what Donald Trump said would happen happens, and then

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like the Philip Bumps and the Chris Wallaces and the

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Ben Sasses of the world, like do they just move

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and Ben's out of political life now, but do they

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just like move on or do they think hmm, I

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got that wrong. Maybe I should also evolve as a

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person when I'm presented with new information.

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Speaker 1: I don't think that they evolve. That's not the reaction

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of any kind of pundit or politician. Usual reaction is

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just to figure out ways that you can prove yourself right.

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I myself am am a person who I think would

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have welcomed I don't know think I wrote about it

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would have welcomed Afghans here. But I have always also thought,

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and I'm sorry people get manned when I say that,

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that when you're coming from certain Islamic countries with certain

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kind of traditions and certain kinds of organizations, you need

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a much higher level of you know, I don't know

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what to call it. A process. We need to know

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a lot about you, and if we don't, you can't comment.

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But a translator for us, that means it was helping us. Right,

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So it's a tough spot, right No, because you assume

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these people, you assume someone is helping you, there is

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probably going to be okay no oh.

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Speaker 2: I mean for wrying out loud. No, Like, at the

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very least you have them relocate to a another place

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where they can go through extensive vetting. But also it's

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just this idea that we don't have to care about

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whether we're importing terror into our country, Like you get

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to care about it, and maybe it's bad, like maybe

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when you're going to war against people and some and

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because they murdered three thousand of your citizens, you might

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be working with different groups. It doesn't necessarily create a

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lifelong obligation. It's this very neo con approach to like,

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well what about the other people? It's like, how about us?

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How about we care about us?

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Speaker 1: It is not a neo Khan approach to say we

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were in Afghanistan, whether we should have I don't think

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we should have been there for that long. I do

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think we should have gone there initially. But when we're leaving,

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we take our time. We Latin Americans leave, we vet

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our allies there and help them so they're not murdered.

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And I think a lot of translators who are abandoned

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there would have been murdered by the Taliban because for

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helping the West. And I think we do have some

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sort of responsibility to those people, and not over Americans,

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but some And I don't know what the process was here,

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but obviously we need much better vetting when we're letting

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lots of people coming in, you know, to come in

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from places where there's high levels of terroristic activity. I mean,

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I agree with that. I'm just saying I was surprised

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that it was someone who helped us there complicated my thinking.

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I'm just saying I have to think about my my

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positions as well on this. So I'm just saying, I mean,

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I don't think most people do that, and I'm saying

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I'm better than most people, but it is something to

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think about. I mean, I am better than most people,

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but not you.

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Speaker 2: Know, that's okay.

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Speaker 1: Most of the people were talking about.

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Speaker 3: Right now, is Kamala trying to earn the dumb vote.

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Speaker 2: Back to the media blitz. So, Kamala Harris announces that

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she's doing a media blitz, and she announces this last weekend,

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and I just, first off, think it's worth noting when

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you're announcing a major campaign strategy. And the campaign strategy

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prior to this blitz was to hide her in a

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basement much deeper than the Joe Biden basement he was

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hidden in in twenty twenty. It suggests that they know

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they're needing to switch something because what they're doing isn't working,

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and it's just kind of an obvious thing, but it

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needs to be said because like if the Trump campaign

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were dramatically changing their strategy, there would be stories in

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every major publication and on every major network, being like

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he's flailing, he doesn't know what he's doing, he's having

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to switch things up, and yet when it happens with her,

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it's just kind of like unremarked upon. So her first

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thing was the Call Her Daddy podcast, which I thought

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was interesting. We're now seeing a bunch of things. That

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was definitely the one she felt most comfortable in and

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had fewer of her weird tics and like voice changes

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and things like that, And I think that's just interesting

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that it took like a radical pro abortion sex podcast

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for her to feel comfortable. That might be a good

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thing for her to do in her future because the

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other ones that deal more with like foreign policy questions

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or domestic policy questions, she just struggles to understand or

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competently respond to the question.

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Speaker 1: I don't think she knows anything about foreign policy. Like

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I bet you if I asked her what's the capital

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of Syria or something, she might not know what that is.

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And I'm not joking. Her answer in sixty Minutes on

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Israel was so embarrassingly stupid that a ninth grader could

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have done it. And did you see that sixty Minutes

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had released that clip and then they truncated it to

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make it sound much more coherent, and maybe even spliced it.

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I'm not one hundred percent sure about that yet. It

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is insane. They would never have done this for George

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Bush or anyone else who is a ramble on, you know,

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in an answer.

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Speaker 2: Actually, I need to investigate this because I at first

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thought that what happened. So so on Monday they release

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a snippet of a question and answer, And first of all,

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I just want to say the guy who asked the

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questions did a very good job.

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Speaker 1: I thought, yeah, he was pretty good.

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Speaker 2: He just asked kind of very straightforward questions. We're not

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really talking about how unfair a question is, or how

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or even like how brutal a question is, because he

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just didn't make himself the centerpiece of that.

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Speaker 1: I was surprised. I was surprised when he asked her,

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for instance, why have you changed your mind on every everything?

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I don't know what you stand for. A person doesn't

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know what you stand for, and she couldn't answer that

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question either, But go on, sorry, do.

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Speaker 2: You know him at all before? What's his name? I'm sorry,

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but I just thought it was it was okay, So

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I did I did just watch the thing that you're referencing.

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So on Monday they release a snippet he asks her

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about who in Israel and she gives a complete disaster

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word salad response the kind you're familiar with, where she says,

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you know, the fundamental thing is that we think strategically

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about the circular motion and the passage of time. You know,

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she does that thing and it's very, very bad. Then

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they air a snippet later and it's different, and I

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don't think it's just truncated. I actually think it's different.

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Speaker 1: And there's a transcript out that has a different Listen.

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I just saw this, so I'm not one hundred percent sure,

475
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but there's a transcript of the interview and apparently it's

476
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different than the answer she gives on the tape. So

477
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either someone got the transcript wrong they spliced her answer.

478
00:25:37,839 --> 00:25:41,599
Something is up there and she needs the help, by

479
00:25:41,599 --> 00:25:44,440
the way, because she literally was asked, is Nettayao an

480
00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:46,559
ally of the United States and said no, which is

481
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saying Israel is not an ally. The democratically elected leader

482
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of our allies, not our ally. Because she doesn't't offend

483
00:25:53,559 --> 00:25:55,160
people in Michigan or whatever.

484
00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:57,079
Speaker 2: But anyway, I do want to say she did say

485
00:25:57,079 --> 00:25:59,880
the people of Israel are are allies, So it wasn't

486
00:26:00,079 --> 00:26:04,880
as bad as it sounds. They well, they elected, they elected.

487
00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:06,839
I mean it was a weak response, but it wasn't

488
00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:09,160
like she was saying Israel wasn't our ally, you know.

489
00:26:09,319 --> 00:26:12,400
It's it certainly could have been worse if she were

490
00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:16,559
being real Kamala. So I do want to point out too,

491
00:26:16,599 --> 00:26:20,759
I just read Brian Stelter has a propaganda newsletter that

492
00:26:20,799 --> 00:26:24,039
he puts out every night. It's called Reliable Sources, and

493
00:26:25,039 --> 00:26:31,200
he did not cover this issue of creating a forgery

494
00:26:32,319 --> 00:26:35,240
in this interview with sixty minutes, which seems to be

495
00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:38,480
a major issue for a media critic to note, he

496
00:26:38,519 --> 00:26:41,519
has a whole thing. The only mention is Donald Trump

497
00:26:41,559 --> 00:26:45,359
for some crazy reason. Once the unedited transcript out, how

498
00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:50,359
crazy is that? You know? And it's just a weird

499
00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:52,599
thing to have everyone just kind of moving on. Do

500
00:26:52,599 --> 00:26:56,559
you remember when Dan Rather fell for a forgery when

501
00:26:57,079 --> 00:27:00,440
someone tried to say that George W. Bush had not

502
00:27:00,799 --> 00:27:02,839
what was the forgery about it, like, hadn't.

503
00:27:02,559 --> 00:27:05,880
Speaker 1: Served He hadn't served in the Texas Reserve. I think

504
00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:07,920
was at the Air Force reserve. I forget what reserved,

505
00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:12,559
but it was a very obvious forgery that bloggers immediately saw,

506
00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:14,160
like within an hour.

507
00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:17,119
Speaker 2: And expl and my husband was part of the debunking

508
00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:20,559
effort for that, which was really cool. So he fell

509
00:27:20,599 --> 00:27:22,920
for a forgery, which is bad, and it ruined his career.

510
00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:26,559
What if you're creating the forgery, which is what sixty

511
00:27:26,599 --> 00:27:29,160
minutes appears to have done here. I mean, we need

512
00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:30,960
to find out what their answer is, but they're not

513
00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:33,880
even being asked for an answer. This level of election

514
00:27:34,079 --> 00:27:38,759
interference and manipulation is why people loathed the corporate media.

515
00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:42,279
Speaker 1: Yes, let us talk about Tanasi Coats and his interview

516
00:27:42,559 --> 00:27:45,079
with CBS News. I think it was in the morning.

517
00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:51,119
To me, this is an amazing story, not because I

518
00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:56,279
have a real dislike of Tanasi Coats, whose new book

519
00:27:56,359 --> 00:28:01,400
is just just garbage. I reviewed it. If anyone's interested,

520
00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:05,240
I have a long review up. But I think it's

521
00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:09,200
a microcosm of the real problems of journalism. So what

522
00:28:09,279 --> 00:28:11,480
happened was he went on the show in the morning,

523
00:28:11,519 --> 00:28:13,240
CBS Mornings, I think, and he was interviewed by a

524
00:28:13,279 --> 00:28:16,200
guy named Tony Ducoppel. I think you pronounced it. I'm

525
00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:21,839
not sure who asked him completely legit, you know, respectfully,

526
00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:24,359
but you know, forcefully in the you know, asked him

527
00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:29,519
some legitimate questions about his book. And what happened afterwards

528
00:28:29,599 --> 00:28:32,160
was apparently the entire staff of CBS News just had

529
00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:34,960
to meltdown. They had to call in like one of

530
00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:38,599
these special DEI counselor folks to talk about it. They

531
00:28:38,599 --> 00:28:41,160
had a big struggle session and the guy who asked

532
00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:46,000
the question apologized tearfully or whatever it was, and he regretted, what,

533
00:28:46,119 --> 00:28:48,640
you know, some of the stuff he had done. And

534
00:28:49,519 --> 00:28:53,039
in a, it shows that the left is never especially

535
00:28:53,039 --> 00:28:56,279
it's intellectual class or whatever, never has to actually answer

536
00:28:56,279 --> 00:28:59,079
any questions or debate or stand up for their ideas

537
00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:03,559
or explain them, just emotional appeal anyway. And B that

538
00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:06,400
we always talk about the reporters that are terrible, but

539
00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:10,240
it's actually an entire staff from the bottom up that's terrible.

540
00:29:10,319 --> 00:29:15,119
It's the editors, it's the producers, they're all terrible. It

541
00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:17,559
reminded me of like when Kevin Williamson was fired because

542
00:29:17,559 --> 00:29:19,920
the staff couldn't handle him being there at the Atlantic,

543
00:29:20,119 --> 00:29:22,240
and there was another incident I can't remember right now

544
00:29:22,279 --> 00:29:27,039
where someone was fired. They just simply cannot have anyone

545
00:29:27,079 --> 00:29:30,680
who disagrees with them. They can't answer any questions. This

546
00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:36,640
is very authoritarian thinking and it's pervasive, pervasive in the

547
00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:39,720
establishment media. Not a single person, not a single reporter,

548
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:41,599
have I seen stand up for this guy in the

549
00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:45,039
establishment media and say it's wrong to punish someone for

550
00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:47,599
asking a question, and that's what they're doing.

551
00:29:47,799 --> 00:29:49,759
Speaker 2: That's a really good point. I do want to highlight

552
00:29:49,799 --> 00:29:54,519
that there was one reporter who deserves to be called

553
00:29:54,519 --> 00:29:59,400
out favorably for at the moment that the suits started

554
00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:03,039
coming down on a guy for doing journalism, she expressed

555
00:30:03,039 --> 00:30:07,039
her grave concern with what they were doing and asked

556
00:30:07,039 --> 00:30:11,160
for clarification because she did not notice anything, you know,

557
00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:13,640
that was worthy of being called out negatively. And that's

558
00:30:14,119 --> 00:30:18,119
Jan Crawford, the Supreme the Supreme Court reporter at CBS,

559
00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:20,279
and she was very polite when she said it, but

560
00:30:20,359 --> 00:30:23,440
she also was pretty fierce. And to do that in

561
00:30:24,079 --> 00:30:26,559
a meeting when you've got all of these crazy people

562
00:30:26,559 --> 00:30:28,920
around you, I just think takes courage and it deserves

563
00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:34,160
to be noted. I am beating myself up because for

564
00:30:34,279 --> 00:30:37,200
a few months I've been wanting to highlight how CBS

565
00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:41,640
has gone from bad to horrific and now everyone you

566
00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:45,319
know sees it and knows it. But they seem to

567
00:30:45,359 --> 00:30:47,920
have been completely taken over by like far left wing

568
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:51,240
of the journalistic class. And they used to actually have

569
00:30:51,319 --> 00:30:55,039
something of a reputation for being the least bad of

570
00:30:55,079 --> 00:30:59,920
the of those three you know, TV Networks, ABC, NBCC,

571
00:31:00,559 --> 00:31:04,000
and it's so bad now and I just you know,

572
00:31:05,599 --> 00:31:09,000
want to point out tanaheis Coats or however you say

573
00:31:09,039 --> 00:31:13,119
his name, gets asked real questions by a real journalist,

574
00:31:13,279 --> 00:31:18,400
and the entire staff of CBS revolts, or almost entire staff.

575
00:31:19,359 --> 00:31:23,359
CBS also did that craptastic debate you know, where they

576
00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:27,200
were doing false fact checks of JD. Vance and they

577
00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:31,559
were asking absolutely stupid, crazy left wing questions and being

578
00:31:31,599 --> 00:31:37,960
annoying and discrediting themselves. No staff revolt, no outside revolt.

579
00:31:38,839 --> 00:31:41,440
They also just did this sixty minutes forgery where they

580
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:46,920
are faking the interview with Kamala Harris. No staff revolt.

581
00:31:47,519 --> 00:31:49,640
If there was one, it would be about him asking

582
00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:51,119
real questions, I'm sure.

583
00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:55,039
Speaker 1: And may I interjecting quick things? How about this a

584
00:31:55,119 --> 00:31:58,880
year ago one of the fathers of a person who

585
00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:02,039
had been kidnapped by Hama was on that same exact show,

586
00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:05,400
and Gail King, who is another person on that show,

587
00:32:06,039 --> 00:32:08,400
asked him all about how about the Palestinian children, how

588
00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:11,200
about the Palestinian this, how about the Palestinian that? There

589
00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:13,480
was no revolt over that, No one was upset about that.

590
00:32:13,759 --> 00:32:16,559
And this is just a civilian father, not a journalist

591
00:32:16,559 --> 00:32:22,400
who wrote a book about Palestinians, and no revolt at all.

592
00:32:22,759 --> 00:32:24,759
And by the way, I just what quickly want to say.

593
00:32:25,599 --> 00:32:28,799
Tanasikats was on an interview somewhere else and he said

594
00:32:28,839 --> 00:32:31,359
that Gail King he felt bad for Gail King because

595
00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:34,240
she didn't ask get to ask questions during this interview

596
00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:37,759
that she had sent to him before the interview, so

597
00:32:37,799 --> 00:32:40,160
he knew they were coming. That is on journalistic I.

598
00:32:40,079 --> 00:32:42,519
Speaker 2: Want to defend that. Yeah, please, I don't think that's

599
00:32:42,599 --> 00:32:45,119
quite what he said. He said that she pulled them

600
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:46,960
aside before the interview and she's like, I'm going to

601
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:48,680
ask you about this. I'm going to ask you about that.

602
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:52,680
I don't think that's necessarily a journalistic failure. You know,

603
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:57,640
if you say I'm gonna you know, it helps someone prepare, yes,

604
00:32:57,839 --> 00:33:01,079
and it's certainly not something they give to their political opponents,

605
00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:03,400
but it's not necessarily bad to say, I'm going to

606
00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:05,240
ask you about that story you told about your mother.

607
00:33:05,279 --> 00:33:07,319
I'm going to ask you about how you took a

608
00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:10,000
day trip to Israel and think you're now an expert

609
00:33:10,119 --> 00:33:12,000
in the Palestinian condition. You know.

610
00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:15,319
Speaker 1: But if this other guy CBS says he didn't live

611
00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:19,759
up to the network's journalistic standards, have yet to explain

612
00:33:19,839 --> 00:33:24,240
what standard he broke. But yet I know, spulling side

613
00:33:24,279 --> 00:33:26,319
your buddy that you know for years and telling them

614
00:33:26,319 --> 00:33:28,720
what you're going to talk about seems to me. Maybe

615
00:33:28,759 --> 00:33:30,279
it's not as bad as you say, Maybe it's not

616
00:33:30,319 --> 00:33:32,160
as bad as I think, but it's certainly worse than

617
00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:34,799
asking being a journalist and asking the guy questions. And

618
00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:37,920
yet she will never be reprimanded for anything but anyway.

619
00:33:37,759 --> 00:33:40,440
Speaker 2: Right, if you were going to reprimand one person, it

620
00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:44,440
would be her, not him, or journalistic shortcomings. But I

621
00:33:44,519 --> 00:33:47,640
just want to point out that on the right, you

622
00:33:47,759 --> 00:33:52,960
can be humiliated or not. You can be like treated

623
00:33:53,079 --> 00:33:57,759
horribly day after day after day after day after day

624
00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:01,680
for decades, and the response of like the institutions that

625
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:05,039
support the right like the Republican Party or they're elected leaders.

626
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:09,119
Is to say, we got a debate on CBS News yay,

627
00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:13,840
And meanwhile you do one interview with mildly like realistic

628
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:17,559
questions and you have a complete staff revolt on the left.

629
00:34:17,599 --> 00:34:19,599
Like the left knows how to keep the corporate media

630
00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:25,039
in line, the right doesn't like. What's being done to

631
00:34:25,079 --> 00:34:28,840
the right is horrific. What's being to the left is nothing,

632
00:34:29,119 --> 00:34:31,840
nothing at all. Like literally, there were questions of a

633
00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:35,880
guy who was out promoting his book, not even tough questions,

634
00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:38,920
just like normal questions, and they're losing their mind over it.

635
00:34:39,039 --> 00:34:41,079
But in a way, I wish the right would learn,

636
00:34:41,159 --> 00:34:44,039
like losing your mind over poor treatment is a good

637
00:34:44,039 --> 00:34:46,480
thing to do if you don't want more poor treatment.

638
00:34:47,199 --> 00:34:50,320
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe you're right about that, though I think oftent.

639
00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:53,519
I think that jd. Vance being attacked by the journalists

640
00:34:53,559 --> 00:34:55,559
and walls in that debate was good for him. I

641
00:34:55,559 --> 00:34:57,239
think he handled himself really well.

642
00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:00,639
Speaker 2: Uh you know what would be even better tough questions walls,

643
00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:06,199
tough questions, highlighting extremists walls. So yeah, like that, you

644
00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:10,960
can oh, oh he handled this really difficult situation. Well, okay,

645
00:35:11,119 --> 00:35:14,599
But when was the when was the message pushed from

646
00:35:14,639 --> 00:35:17,159
the right, Like why must it always be like, oh,

647
00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:21,320
he thought to a draw under difficult circumstances. How about

648
00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:25,440
just being fair then, Like imagine how much JD. Vance

649
00:35:25,559 --> 00:35:29,159
would have utterly crushed all the opposition if it were

650
00:35:29,199 --> 00:35:29,960
a real debate.

651
00:35:30,679 --> 00:35:34,039
Speaker 1: I think the media you already could well media bias

652
00:35:34,079 --> 00:35:37,639
and corruption is not The right talks about it constantly.

653
00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:40,079
I mean, it's not as if they completely ignore this thing.

654
00:35:40,079 --> 00:35:41,840
It's a big issue. It's been a big issue since

655
00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:44,440
Rush Limbaugh was calling them the dry by media. It's

656
00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:46,880
not like people don't talk about it.

657
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:49,400
Speaker 2: The last time. When's the last time they got a

658
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:53,239
reporter to cry up and repent of what they did,

659
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:55,880
which is what the left got in twenty four hours.

660
00:35:56,119 --> 00:35:58,719
Speaker 1: And let's actually now talk about sixty minutes in the

661
00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:02,119
sense that it was Leslie's All a few years ago

662
00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:04,840
who fact checked Donald Trump in an interview over Hunter's

663
00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:07,079
laptop and was wrong and is the reason why Donald

664
00:36:07,119 --> 00:36:09,199
Trump won't go on. He wants an apology I believe

665
00:36:09,199 --> 00:36:11,719
from her or whatever correction and then he would go

666
00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:14,400
on and everyone, you know, Kamala is out there saying

667
00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:16,880
he's scared to do interviews that I laughed out loud

668
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:18,800
when she when I heard her say that, because she's

669
00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:22,119
the one who doesn't do interviews. He interviews with everyone basically,

670
00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:24,480
and he is right in this instance. But no, no

671
00:36:24,519 --> 00:36:26,599
one's crying, no one. I don't think they corrected their

672
00:36:26,639 --> 00:36:29,519
Hunter laptop stuff at all, right, I mean.

673
00:36:29,559 --> 00:36:33,400
Speaker 2: Far from it. They actually defended it this week. And

674
00:36:34,599 --> 00:36:38,280
propagandist what is that guy? The propagandist at the Washington Post.

675
00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:40,360
I know I need to narrow it down. Glenn Kessler,

676
00:36:40,679 --> 00:36:42,840
he said she didn't say anything wrong. She just said

677
00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:45,000
it hadn't been verified, which is a lie. She said

678
00:36:45,079 --> 00:36:47,559
much more than just that it hadn't been verified. But

679
00:36:47,679 --> 00:36:51,239
like also, the Russia collusion hoax was never verified and

680
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:54,679
it didn't prevent people from winning Pulitzers for participating in it.

681
00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:57,840
You know, the standards are frustrating to talk about.

682
00:36:58,119 --> 00:36:58,360
Speaker 1: Totally.

683
00:36:59,079 --> 00:37:01,199
Speaker 2: Christopher, I'm sorry.

684
00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:02,719
Speaker 1: No, no, I was just saying, I completely agree with you.

685
00:37:03,199 --> 00:37:05,800
It's corrupt. I'm just saying that if I have a

686
00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:08,920
book coming out and if someone which will never happen

687
00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:11,920
invited me on CBS to talk about it, I wouldn't

688
00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:14,079
be scared to go on because I know what I wrote.

689
00:37:14,079 --> 00:37:15,599
It is true and I believe it and I can

690
00:37:15,639 --> 00:37:17,199
back it up. And if I made a mistake, i'd

691
00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:20,440
say so. But Tannasi Coats has never never had to

692
00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:23,719
face that. So are the These are the intellectuals on

693
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:25,760
the left. They cannot stand up to any scrutiny. I'm

694
00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:28,199
just I'm kind of segueing it into what we were

695
00:37:28,199 --> 00:37:31,400
talking about with politicians who don't answer questions, like Walls

696
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:36,239
and Kamala Harris. The intellectuals don't answer questions either. Yeah.

697
00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:40,800
Speaker 2: No, And I mean your piece critiquing the Coat's book

698
00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:43,760
is probably as much as I will read about him.

699
00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:48,440
But traditionally having that kind of interplay, you know, someone

700
00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:50,840
makes an argument, someone responds to the argument. They respond

701
00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:52,719
to the response to the argument, that actually just makes

702
00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:56,719
the world a better place. But what I gathered from

703
00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:59,639
your review that just cracks me up is I mean,

704
00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:03,639
really does seem like he took a field trip to

705
00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:06,519
a foreign land and then pretended to be an authority

706
00:38:06,559 --> 00:38:10,559
figure on the complexity of the situation there, and he

707
00:38:10,599 --> 00:38:14,519
would never have like if someone was like I took

708
00:38:14,599 --> 00:38:18,039
a week to study race relations in America and now

709
00:38:18,079 --> 00:38:21,400
here's my book. People would mock that. You know, Tony

710
00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:23,800
Heazy Coast would mock that person, right, Yeah.

711
00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:25,480
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't want to bore people to get

712
00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:27,440
too deeply into his book because he is not a

713
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:31,199
bright person. He's a great writer, he's not a good thinker,

714
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:34,280
and he's a liar. But he you know what he

715
00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:37,159
does in this book instead of actually learning about Israel

716
00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:41,760
or Palestinians or anything. Really he has very limited knowledge.

717
00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:46,719
He's made at least a dozen clearcut factual errors in

718
00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:50,280
his book that I could think of. He just he

719
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:52,519
also went to South Carolina, so he just makes the

720
00:38:52,559 --> 00:38:57,679
Israeli Palestinian situation a stand in for race relations in America.

721
00:38:57,719 --> 00:39:00,800
So it's the only thing he knows in high school.

722
00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:04,880
Had to read his book, and that is is just gross.

723
00:39:05,039 --> 00:39:07,719
He is not a smart person. And anyway, I don't

724
00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:09,119
want to go I don't want to just insult him.

725
00:39:09,119 --> 00:39:11,280
I think mostly though, my biggest insult to him is

726
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:13,199
that he's a coward. I don't think he could stand

727
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:16,119
up to the scrutiny of a real interview or a debate,

728
00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:19,159
and I doubt he's ever really had one. But you

729
00:39:19,199 --> 00:39:21,519
know what, here's why I think it is important, Molly.

730
00:39:21,599 --> 00:39:24,400
It's because he's like number one on the bestseller list

731
00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:26,519
this week. Millions of people are going to read that book.

732
00:39:27,159 --> 00:39:29,079
Young people are going to read that book, and they're

733
00:39:29,079 --> 00:39:31,519
going to believe the things that he says, which are racist,

734
00:39:31,679 --> 00:39:38,639
anti Semitic, historically illiterate and lazy, lazy thinking. And I

735
00:39:38,639 --> 00:39:40,840
think that's a problem. I think he represents a big

736
00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:43,800
problem in this country. So anyway, but god forbid someone

737
00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:46,320
ask him a question on sixty minutes. You know that

738
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:48,800
guy's going to end up being fired or quit probably, right,

739
00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:50,960
I mean, you know, he's just there's gonna be so

740
00:39:51,039 --> 00:39:54,920
much pressure on him now anyway.

741
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:58,800
Speaker 2: Honestly, I just feel if he doesn't have the courage

742
00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:01,760
to defend his own journalism, he should quit.

743
00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:03,480
Speaker 1: Cold.

744
00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:05,880
Speaker 2: You have noticed it that report of the story about

745
00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:08,079
him tearfully like repenting of it.

746
00:40:08,119 --> 00:40:14,519
Speaker 1: Come on, be a man, this kind of struggle session,

747
00:40:14,639 --> 00:40:14,920
I would.

748
00:40:15,199 --> 00:40:19,519
Speaker 2: I mean, I do think people don't realize how easy

749
00:40:19,559 --> 00:40:23,000
it is. Okay, sorry that you build up in your

750
00:40:23,039 --> 00:40:25,639
mind this idea that standing up to mobs is going

751
00:40:25,679 --> 00:40:30,039
to be impossible, but sometimes just practicing it and doing it,

752
00:40:30,119 --> 00:40:33,079
like taking advantage of opportunities. You have to show some

753
00:40:33,159 --> 00:40:36,079
courage makes you realize that you actually have it within you,

754
00:40:36,239 --> 00:40:39,360
and I've had to. I remember when I was writing

755
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:43,360
about why marriage is different from other institutions and why

756
00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:46,320
it's inherently based on the complementarity of men and women.

757
00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:48,639
I was a little scared to be out there with

758
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:53,840
that argument because it's so contrary to what everybody was

759
00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:56,719
saying at the time. And when I said it, I

760
00:40:56,760 --> 00:40:58,599
definitely got a lot of pushback. I also got a

761
00:40:58,639 --> 00:41:01,079
lot of law you know, a lot of people being like,

762
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:04,679
you're the first person to articulate why we treat marriage

763
00:41:05,039 --> 00:41:08,440
as a heterosexual institution different than all other relationships, like

764
00:41:08,559 --> 00:41:11,760
or you changed my mind, which is very rewarding. But

765
00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:13,559
I also got a lot of people yelling at me

766
00:41:13,639 --> 00:41:16,199
and threatening me and saying bad things, and I kind

767
00:41:16,199 --> 00:41:18,559
of realized that was all they had, Like they didn't

768
00:41:18,599 --> 00:41:21,719
debate me on it, they just called me names. And

769
00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:24,239
when I realized that was it, I was like, Oh,

770
00:41:24,639 --> 00:41:26,559
I can handle that. You know, that's not really a

771
00:41:26,559 --> 00:41:30,400
big deal. And it helped me be more courageous for

772
00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:34,159
future battles as well. And so we're talking a big

773
00:41:34,199 --> 00:41:36,599
game like oh, come on, man, defend your journalism, but

774
00:41:36,679 --> 00:41:38,360
for people who are listening, you know, who are dealing

775
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:41,800
with this in their workplaces, with all sorts of people

776
00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:45,639
being you know, trying to get them to accept various

777
00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:49,480
crazy like far left gender stuff and putting pronouns and

778
00:41:49,519 --> 00:41:52,599
bios or something. I do think just practicing through a

779
00:41:52,679 --> 00:41:54,480
proper way to handle it, you know, like I'm not

780
00:41:54,519 --> 00:41:56,519
going to do this, and it makes me feel uncomfortable

781
00:41:56,519 --> 00:41:58,719
when you're telling me I have to do this and

782
00:41:58,719 --> 00:42:02,119
then just doing it. You may be surprised at how

783
00:42:02,119 --> 00:42:03,000
well it goes for you.

784
00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:05,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, I should take a step back. I got over

785
00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:08,599
my skis there. I don't know. It's difficult for a

786
00:42:08,639 --> 00:42:11,519
person who has a career to just stand up and lose.

787
00:42:11,599 --> 00:42:13,599
He has a family to think about. I don't know

788
00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:15,880
if he has kids, you know, or in god, you know,

789
00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:18,960
who knows what his world is like. He doesn't want

790
00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:21,119
to destroy his career or over something like this, and

791
00:42:21,159 --> 00:42:25,360
it's difficult. The thing is that you'd be surprised how

792
00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:29,960
many people will then pipe up and stand with you,

793
00:42:30,039 --> 00:42:32,320
like you just need one person to say, actually, I

794
00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:34,159
was just asking a question, and I bet you other

795
00:42:34,159 --> 00:42:36,760
people at CBS if they saw that, there would be

796
00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:39,760
other people who would stand with that reporter, don't you

797
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:41,960
think I mean, I think bravery is or whatever you

798
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:44,599
call it, is infectious a bit, and it's just that

799
00:42:44,599 --> 00:42:46,559
people don't want to be the first one to stand up.

800
00:42:48,119 --> 00:42:50,119
Speaker 2: I was even talking about this recently with a family

801
00:42:50,119 --> 00:42:54,079
member about how it relates to openly supporting Trump in

802
00:42:54,119 --> 00:42:56,760
this country. We had a reader at the Federalist who

803
00:42:56,800 --> 00:42:59,599
was saying that you are allowed to openly support Harris,

804
00:42:59,639 --> 00:43:02,840
but not Trump. And this just does not match with

805
00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:07,199
my experience at all, having witnessed family members openly supporting

806
00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:11,079
Donald Trump, the Republican nominee for president. They don't get

807
00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:16,280
hardly any almost none, almost no negative feedback, and they

808
00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:20,119
get a ton of positive feedback. And I think people

809
00:43:20,159 --> 00:43:23,239
build up in their mind a worse situation in the

810
00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:25,519
country than there is when it relates to that. And

811
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:29,840
we're talking about many, many anecdotes I have now of

812
00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:32,960
people being told when they wear a Trump pad or

813
00:43:33,039 --> 00:43:35,639
Trump shirts, might thatt like, oh, I love I love that.

814
00:43:35,639 --> 00:43:38,320
That's great, you know, from people who you wouldn't necessarily expect,

815
00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:41,480
and so but it also helps to practice those small

816
00:43:41,519 --> 00:43:44,880
acts of courage in the face of you know, authoritarianism,

817
00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:47,159
and a propaganda press, just so you can get better

818
00:43:47,199 --> 00:43:49,199
at it. When when it comes to things that matter

819
00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:50,599
even more, I.

820
00:43:50,519 --> 00:43:52,639
Speaker 1: Think it depends where you are. You know, if you're

821
00:43:52,679 --> 00:43:55,360
living in Manhattan, then you put a trumpad on, it's

822
00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:56,800
going to be different than when you're in middle of

823
00:43:56,840 --> 00:44:00,280
America and vice versa. Frankly, I mean, you know, I

824
00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:03,880
don't know how people react to liberals in conservative place.

825
00:44:04,119 --> 00:44:09,199
Speaker 2: Just witness this weekend someone wearing Trump paraphernalia in the

826
00:44:09,239 --> 00:44:12,000
middle of Manhattan and getting yeah, maybe a little bit

827
00:44:12,079 --> 00:44:14,760
more pushback, but a ton of positive feedback. Trump just

828
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:18,440
announced he's doing a rally in Madison Square Garden later

829
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:22,119
this month. I mean it's actually fine. I mean, tons

830
00:44:22,159 --> 00:44:26,440
of listle for you, and they'll be encouraged by.

831
00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:30,039
Speaker 1: Your I'm just I guess lasting on this for me

832
00:44:30,199 --> 00:44:33,599
is that there's also difference between a journalist and a

833
00:44:33,639 --> 00:44:35,960
regular person. If you're in an office it's filled with

834
00:44:36,039 --> 00:44:38,199
liberals and you don't want to make your life uncomfortable,

835
00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:40,519
there's really no you know, I get that why you

836
00:44:40,559 --> 00:44:42,519
don't want to speak out about your politics. I don't

837
00:44:42,559 --> 00:44:44,239
really even think it's a place to be in my neighborhood.

838
00:44:44,239 --> 00:44:46,880
By the way, we have a we have a tradition

839
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:49,639
here that no one puts out political signs so that

840
00:44:49,719 --> 00:44:51,320
we don't have to, you know, that we can be

841
00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:53,519
neighbors and not worry about that or not argue. I

842
00:44:53,599 --> 00:44:56,039
like that. But anyway, But if you're a journalist, if

843
00:44:56,079 --> 00:44:58,360
you're if you're in the in the world of ideas,

844
00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:00,599
if you cover, if you're in the world of politics,

845
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:02,840
like you shouldn't have to be scared to take a position.

846
00:45:03,079 --> 00:45:04,639
If you're going to be a journalist, you should be

847
00:45:05,679 --> 00:45:08,320
open to having people disagree with you. Should be ready

848
00:45:08,599 --> 00:45:10,880
to have people point their finger at you and be

849
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:12,960
mad at you. That's part of the job. Don't you

850
00:45:13,039 --> 00:45:16,079
think I don't know what we got about.

851
00:45:16,119 --> 00:45:18,440
Speaker 2: It's now definitely part of the It's definitely part of

852
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:20,800
the job now to just push propaganda and to be

853
00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:24,199
maybe the worst example of groupthink in our country. But

854
00:45:24,239 --> 00:45:26,880
you're but I agree with you otherwise, Okay.

855
00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:32,239
Speaker 1: Let's talk about culture watch. Can I start with something? Actually,

856
00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:34,360
I went to the most magical play. I've been there

857
00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:36,360
before in my life, a different one, but I went

858
00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:39,679
to the most magical place in America. When people tell

859
00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:42,119
me and they act like America's turning into this third

860
00:45:42,119 --> 00:45:44,960
world country. I just say the words bass pro shops

861
00:45:45,119 --> 00:45:48,039
because that place is amazing. Have you ever been.

862
00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:50,840
Speaker 2: I like bess Pro shops.

863
00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:51,079
Speaker 3: Yep.

864
00:45:52,079 --> 00:45:58,039
Speaker 1: They have thousands of different plastic worms to fish for bait,

865
00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:00,760
fish for bass. I mean, it is my boggling that

866
00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:04,840
place boats guns, all kinds of guns, like it's a

867
00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:08,719
supermarket for like the American man. I'd say, is that

868
00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:12,360
going to be insulting? But it's like if you're from.

869
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:14,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, women don't know how to fish, so of course

870
00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:15,960
it has to be for.

871
00:46:16,159 --> 00:46:17,880
Speaker 1: Not saying women don't know him fish. I mean that

872
00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:19,960
like men are probably more prone to fish. I guess

873
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:24,159
when I go fishing, I don't see many women there. Yeah, anyway,

874
00:46:24,199 --> 00:46:26,519
so I did that that. I went to a best

875
00:46:26,599 --> 00:46:30,960
pro shops because I'm a best fisherman, and it was

876
00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:33,119
a lot of fun. I haven't been in a long time.

877
00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:35,519
Just an amazing place. That's all. That's all I had.

878
00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:42,039
Speaker 2: Well, I went to Brooklyn this weekend. I went with

879
00:46:42,119 --> 00:46:46,679
my two best friends from high school, who are these amazing, beautiful,

880
00:46:46,719 --> 00:46:53,639
wonderful women, and we went to see soul Coughing, Which

881
00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:55,400
do you like? Soil coff?

882
00:46:55,559 --> 00:46:57,639
Speaker 1: I know of them. I don't, I don't. I don't

883
00:46:57,639 --> 00:46:58,480
know any of the music.

884
00:47:00,039 --> 00:47:04,719
Speaker 2: Oh really, So it's just a great band. And they

885
00:47:04,760 --> 00:47:08,840
did much from Ruby Room, this iconic album that they

886
00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:11,599
put out many many years ago. And it was fun

887
00:47:11,719 --> 00:47:16,760
being in Brooklyn. We the concert was at Brooklyn Steel

888
00:47:17,119 --> 00:47:18,880
and just kind of I hadn't been in Brooklyn in

889
00:47:18,920 --> 00:47:22,239
a couple decades. Really well, I guess that's not quite true,

890
00:47:22,239 --> 00:47:24,880
but I hadn't spent a ton of time there, and

891
00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:28,679
there's just something to that place that's fun. And there

892
00:47:28,719 --> 00:47:31,079
was this great bar. We went to a cocktail bar

893
00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:34,320
called I can't remember, it was called.

894
00:47:35,840 --> 00:47:36,239
Speaker 1: So Good.

895
00:47:36,239 --> 00:47:44,719
Speaker 2: It was like this small Japanese themed bar in Williamsburg anyway, Pokito,

896
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:45,480
that's what it was.

897
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:49,440
Speaker 1: Sounds very hip, sound like just like a hip experience

898
00:47:49,519 --> 00:47:54,039
going to the Japanese cocktail bar and seeing still coffee.

899
00:47:54,280 --> 00:47:56,119
I have some other stuff I saw. I guess I

900
00:47:56,199 --> 00:47:59,639
should mention I've been on a tear of Michael Kine

901
00:47:59,639 --> 00:48:06,880
movie from the sixties. I watched this documentary my generation.

902
00:48:07,079 --> 00:48:10,079
I think it's on Amazon. It's about the sixties mod

903
00:48:10,159 --> 00:48:13,519
scene and Michael kin and the acting and the pop art,

904
00:48:13,599 --> 00:48:15,480
you know, like David Hockney and all that stuff. I

905
00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:18,960
don't know if you're a fan, but it's really good

906
00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:22,320
and it got me thinking that I should watch Michael

907
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:25,159
Kaine movies. And I watched The Hypcris File and The

908
00:48:25,199 --> 00:48:30,960
Billion Dollar Brain. Those two movies. Both of them are

909
00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:33,880
are based on books by this writer that I discovered,

910
00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:39,880
whose name is Date Len Dayton. He's a spy writer.

911
00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:43,599
The books are great. Another book I read, Oh, since

912
00:48:43,599 --> 00:48:52,519
We're here, Since I'm here podcast? Did you ever? Did

913
00:48:52,559 --> 00:48:56,760
you ever read Charles Portois books? Like what's the movie?

914
00:48:57,280 --> 00:49:01,280
So I'm reading his book Masters of Atlantis. It's a

915
00:49:01,320 --> 00:49:04,119
novel and it is one of the funniest novels I've

916
00:49:04,159 --> 00:49:07,320
read in many, many years, and I highly recommend it.

917
00:49:07,639 --> 00:49:08,599
Highly recommend it.

918
00:49:10,519 --> 00:49:15,519
Speaker 2: I just remember in part when Mark read True Grit

919
00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:19,800
out loud to the kids and he got a little emotional.

920
00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:23,639
My husband does not get emotional at all, and it

921
00:49:23,679 --> 00:49:27,880
remains one of my favorite moments watching my husband take

922
00:49:27,920 --> 00:49:28,800
care of our children.

923
00:49:29,960 --> 00:49:32,079
Speaker 1: I went out and bought all his novels, like I

924
00:49:32,280 --> 00:49:34,480
was enjoying the so much reading it, and I'm like,

925
00:49:34,519 --> 00:49:36,440
this is amazing. I don't know why I haven't read it,

926
00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:38,039
and I bought. I forget the names of all the

927
00:49:38,039 --> 00:49:39,719
other ones, but true Grid obviously is one of them.

928
00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:44,159
Is the most famous novel. And that's all I have

929
00:49:44,360 --> 00:49:46,719
this week. It was nice speaking to you, Molly, and

930
00:49:46,800 --> 00:49:48,880
for everyone else, we'll see you next week. Until them

931
00:49:48,920 --> 00:49:51,119
be lovers of freedom and anxious for the fray

932
00:49:54,199 --> 00:50:00,960
Speaker 2: Wi and the amountain