Speaker 1: The mysteries of the universe are found here on the
Speaker 1: Doctor Scully experience, a photo of a sort of theater
Speaker 1: of the mind, as we like to call it. Thirty
Speaker 1: two minutes after the hour, a very special guest during
Speaker 1: this particular hour, doctor David J. Tholan Co discover of
Speaker 1: an asteroid that you'll be hearing so much about the
Speaker 1: Egyptian war god known as nine nine two up office
Speaker 1: and also joining us is doctor Carl Hurrico, a man
Speaker 1: who served as a nation in the United States Air Force,
Speaker 1: a PhD of course in science and humanities, and also
Speaker 1: a man who had the opportunity to use the Hubble
Speaker 1: space telescope to photograph an interesting galaxy and quaisar. We continue.
Speaker 1: This is fascinating, gentlemen, Doctor Hurrico, your comment or question,
Speaker 1: I want to get you involved in the conversation. You
Speaker 1: and I will spend the second hour together, but please continue.
Speaker 1: I'm sure you're full of information and questions.
Speaker 2: Old I shuld tell him information about the size of
Speaker 2: the asteroid, its weight, and also what classification, because I
Speaker 2: noticed that you were given credit for organizing certain classification
Speaker 2: for asteroids, and so how would you classify it as well?
Speaker 3: Well?
Speaker 4: How should I say this. I mean, the typical listener
Speaker 4: is probably not going to be familiar with the classifications
Speaker 4: on the scheme. We can broadly classify asteroids into two categories,
Speaker 4: one which we call the C class, which are the
Speaker 4: seed basically comes from the term carbonaceous. Like you know,
Speaker 4: we have a class of meteorites called carbonaceous chondrites, and
Speaker 4: so the seed comes from carbon. And then we also
Speaker 4: have S class which are and the S comes from silicon,
Speaker 4: the silicaceous type rocks and Apopus falls more towards the
Speaker 4: S end of the classification. Now there are a bunch
Speaker 4: of other classes of asteroids which you get into more detail,
Speaker 4: but the two most common classes are the c's and
Speaker 4: the s's and pops in this case, as I said,
Speaker 4: more in the S classification. So if you look at
Speaker 4: it spectrally, it doesn't reflect as much light at the
Speaker 4: ulture violet and blue end of the spectrum because of
Speaker 4: an absorption feature, and it reflects more light towards the
Speaker 4: red end of the spectrum. And then as you go
Speaker 4: into the infrared portion of the spectrum, you start getting
Speaker 4: absorption features due to minerals like pyroxene and olivine, and
Speaker 4: that ten to bring the reflectivity of the asteroid down
Speaker 4: as well. So it's got a very characteristic shape to
Speaker 4: the reflectant spectrum, which is why we would call it
Speaker 4: an S type, although there are subtypes. You know, you
Speaker 4: can get into all kinds of details if you want, what.
Speaker 1: Size would you guesstimate? This is so the listeners understand.
Speaker 1: I mean, this is not something like the Chilibin's object,
Speaker 1: which might have been sixty plus feet and cross doctor,
Speaker 1: what would be the best estimate of size of this,
Speaker 1: because that's important as we all know.
Speaker 4: I would put it right around three hundred meters, maybe
Speaker 4: a little less. I saw one smate of around two
Speaker 4: hundred and seventy meters. Again, it really depends on the
Speaker 4: reflectivity of the surface materials. We've measured the brightness pretty accurately,
Speaker 4: and I should also mention that apothesis very irregular, are
Speaker 4: you shaped? It can change its brightness by a factor
Speaker 4: of two as it rotates, indicating a somewhat elongated object.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a tumble.
Speaker 4: You start thinking in from of the size, you know,
Speaker 4: it's you know, which dimension do you want to measure?
Speaker 4: So three hundred meters is a good ballpark figure. And
Speaker 4: for those listeners who aren't familiar with the metric system,
Speaker 4: that's about three football fields in to end.
Speaker 1: Wow, And I put it in better perspective for the
Speaker 1: New York audience and the East Coast audience, it might
Speaker 1: be the height of the Empire State Building or of
Speaker 1: course the new building that replaced the Twin Towers, and
Speaker 1: of course that's a pretty massive object. You know what
Speaker 1: we're gonna do, gentlemen, We're gonna go to the callers,
Speaker 1: because they rule here on this book Cigular show always
Speaker 1: we go to line number one, Greg and Michigan. Greg,
Speaker 1: you're on with doctor Tholn and doctor Herrico.
Speaker 3: How you doing, doctor Skying and your distinguished guest, mister
Speaker 3: Positive Boom shack o waka.
Speaker 1: Yes.
Speaker 3: I've got to ask you, gentlemen. You know we've been
Speaker 3: around for billions and billions of years and there's you know,
Speaker 3: billions and trillions of explosions and debris happening. Why haven't
Speaker 3: we been hit with a meteorite or an asteroid that
Speaker 3: arguably you know, are destroyed the dinosaurs. Why haven't we
Speaker 3: been hit what I mean, billions and billions of explosions,
Speaker 3: nuclear vision, nuclear future are happening. Why haven't we been hit?
Speaker 1: Very interesting question there, because well, let the good doctors
Speaker 1: explain it. Whoever wants to take that one step up
Speaker 1: to the microphone in the theater of the mine, go
Speaker 1: right ahead, Jone.
Speaker 4: I would argue that we have been hit specifically by
Speaker 4: the one that wiped out the dinosaurs, and there have
Speaker 4: been other mass extinction events throughout history, you know, where
Speaker 4: seventy five percent of species will will die off, and
Speaker 4: I think you could probably associate many of those with
Speaker 4: asteroid hits as well. Although the Chisalub event sixty eight
Speaker 4: million years ago is by far the most famous because
Speaker 4: it was such a large object, about ten kilometers in size,
Speaker 4: the estimate producing a crater on the surface of the
Speaker 4: Earth close to two hundred kilometers in diameter, right off
Speaker 4: the tip of the Yucatan Peninsula of Mexico, so half
Speaker 4: of that crater is underwater.
Speaker 1: Well, that's incredible, doctor, because the ken the things I'm
Speaker 1: reading here in your qualification and doctor Hurrico, it's estimated
Speaker 1: that the chi Salub impact, and I'm reading this ladies
Speaker 1: and gentlemen, had the equivalent energy of one hundred million megatons,
Speaker 1: which is, in simple terms, one hundred terotons. That's ridiculously
Speaker 1: off the chart. And if this particular asteroid you were
Speaker 1: the expert on it, a p office were to hit,
Speaker 1: it could have the equivalent energy of twelve hundred megatons,
Speaker 1: something far beyond any nuclear bomb that we've ever detonated.
Speaker 1: The so called Great Russians are Bamba that some say
Speaker 1: was upwards of maybe fifty to seventy five megatons. These
Speaker 1: things are very serious. But Greg, you're in Michigan, follow
Speaker 1: up with that, because pretty powerful stuff. The good doctor
Speaker 1: explained that we have been hit, and let's pray to
Speaker 1: Good God that we don't get anything even like a paphas.
Speaker 1: Look at the damage it could do. Greg your commentary
Speaker 1: as we.
Speaker 3: Close out, Oh fantastic show, have no response. Love you
Speaker 3: and everybody, go for your dreams.
Speaker 1: Hey sounds very positive out there. I love that, Doctor Horico.
Speaker 1: Let me get you involved in the conversation on this.
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously, impactors like this are few and far between,
Speaker 1: but what we're talking about here is something that the
Speaker 1: good doctor doctor Tholin is describing to us, is coming
Speaker 1: to us with some specificity. Your response or comment to
Speaker 1: doctor Tolin.
Speaker 2: Yes, I was wondering about the event that occurred in Siberia,
Speaker 2: the Tunguska event that occurred, Uh.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, ideas.
Speaker 1: About that one, Yeah, that's an interesting one.
Speaker 4: Well, that object was a fair bit smaller than a pothus,
Speaker 4: an estimated size of about fifty meters roughly one fixed
Speaker 4: the size of apothus, and it was a very remote
Speaker 4: region of Siberia, so we aren't aware of any human
Speaker 4: fatalities involved. But the U and the object was sufficiently
Speaker 4: fragile that the explosion occurred in the atmosphere. It didn't
Speaker 4: actually make it all the way down to the surface
Speaker 4: of the Earth and produce a crater. So rather there
Speaker 4: was an atmospheric explosion that produced a shockwave that was
Speaker 4: detected by barometers, you know, pretty much all the way
Speaker 4: around the world. They could see the atmospheric shockwave, you know,
Speaker 4: circle of the Earth a couple of times from that event.
Speaker 4: If a pafuse were to hit, it be a much
Speaker 4: more significant event. However, just to you know, assuade some concern, please,
Speaker 4: we don't believe it would be an extinction level event.
Speaker 4: Our best estimates are for extinction level events to involve
Speaker 4: objects a kilometer or larger in size, So a POFUE
Speaker 4: isn't quite large enough to be an extinction level event.
Speaker 4: It's big enough to ruin your day, certainly, it calls
Speaker 4: a significant regional damage, but probably not enough to wipe
Speaker 4: out humanity.
Speaker 1: Yes, and I remember one of the university Yes, go ahead, sir,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry.
Speaker 4: I think it's all also worth pointing out that even
Speaker 4: though we've ruled out the impact for twenty twenty nine,
Speaker 4: it's worth pointing out that we've also ruled out impacts
Speaker 4: by Apophus for at least the next one hundred years.
Speaker 4: It's talk a while to do that. I mean, we
Speaker 4: ruled out the twenty twenty nine impact in about nine
Speaker 4: months after discovery, but amazing To rule out the twenty
Speaker 4: thirty six impact took seventeen years because of a very
Speaker 4: small effect known as the Arcossi effect, that we had
Speaker 4: to detect and measure in order to rule out the
Speaker 4: twenty thirty six impact. But once once we got that done,
Speaker 4: we're able to extrapolate at least one hundred years into
Speaker 4: the future, and we can rule out any impacts by
Speaker 4: Apofus for at least that long.
Speaker 1: That's very interesting. We're almost up against another break here,
Speaker 1: but I want to try to squeeze this one in.
Speaker 1: You probably know the gentleman Jay Milash at the University
Speaker 1: of Arizona. I've been using his impact calculator and everybody
Speaker 1: can go. I don't have the exact url, but I
Speaker 1: found that very interesting that doctor Milush had put out
Speaker 1: this calculator that if you take the size of an
Speaker 1: object and you extrapolate, you know, through the mathematics of
Speaker 1: that little thing, like an app you can find out
Speaker 1: just what the damage would be. Just look at the Moon, right,
Speaker 1: ladies and gentlemen, to see the impactors that have hit
Speaker 1: the Moon. You know some of the craters on the
Speaker 1: Moon that are sixty miles wide. Can you imagine the
Speaker 1: massive object that came to the lunar sky, not the
Speaker 1: atmosphere per se. But it's good what you just said.
Speaker 1: So again, we have about a minute. Clarify again, people
Speaker 1: should not be overly concerned at this point. I don't
Speaker 1: want to put words in your mouth the apothes encounter.
Speaker 1: How do you rate it? In simple terms? It's not
Speaker 1: a big thing about an impactor at this point in time.
Speaker 4: Correct, No reason for concern over apothus. There's more concern
Speaker 4: about objects that we had not yet discovered. That's why
Speaker 4: we're continuing to scan the skies looking for these things.
Speaker 4: You would agree that we.
Speaker 1: Got to take the break, doctor, and I'm sorry to
Speaker 1: cut people off here. That's the thing I always will apologize,
Speaker 1: even after I'm long gone on this particular planet, because,
Speaker 1: as we all know, in the space time continuing the
Speaker 1: clock rules more with the Doctor David J. Tholan Co
Speaker 1: discover of Apophus, an object headed toward the Earth in
Speaker 1: twenty twenty nine, and also our good friend doctor Carl Hurrico.
Speaker 1: We'll be right back here on the Doctor Sky Experience.
Speaker 1: We see your calls online two Frank and the Bronx
Speaker 1: and on line three Robert in Philadelphia one eight hundred
Speaker 1: eight four eight nine two two.
Speaker 3: Hi, I'm done, Ales.
Speaker 6: I worked on the software Frominum module when it landed
Speaker 6: on the Moon.
Speaker 7: You're listening to the Doctor Sky Experience.
Speaker 1: How fast time flies? Forty seven minutes after the hour,
Speaker 1: Doctor David J. Tholan Co discover of the Apofus asteroid
Speaker 1: and also our good friend, doctor Carl Urrico join us.
Speaker 1: Doctor Horrico and I will take the microphone together in
Speaker 1: our number two. In the meantime, let's go to line
Speaker 1: number three and welcome Robert in Philadelphia. Robert, good morning.
Speaker 1: You always have insightful questions. Please continue, all.
Speaker 7: Right, doctor Sky, as always enjoy the show, and I'm
Speaker 7: glad to be talking to you and your distinguished guests.
Speaker 7: I'd like to assure one of them that there is
Speaker 7: no limit to the misinformation that our mainstream media could
Speaker 7: put out. I'm not worried about it, because I'm pretty
Speaker 7: sure even they can politicized and asteroids. But my question
Speaker 7: is if I believe that our globular cluster, if you will,
Speaker 7: that sits between the arms, is going through the galactic
Speaker 7: plane at present, and I'm wondering if that will increase
Speaker 7: the amount of targets, the amount of interstellar objects coming in,
Speaker 7: and maybe even jar things up into globular clusters so
Speaker 7: that maybe things within that change their trajectory. I mean,
Speaker 7: I'm not trying to get all my calendar on you,
Speaker 7: but I'm wondering if they were like coinciding as far
Speaker 7: as the cycles.
Speaker 1: So interesting, Yes, go ahead, doctor, this is interesting. Nottor Thollen,
Speaker 1: I think that's more in your line of expertise.
Speaker 2: Maybe not, well, I will I will say this.
Speaker 4: We've had three interstellar objects discovered so far. That's statistics
Speaker 4: of small numbers, So I mean, how many are we missing?
Speaker 4: There may be interstellar objects flying through the Solar System
Speaker 4: that we haven't found. Uh, they're a little tricky to find.
Speaker 4: You know, we don't actually track every single moving object
Speaker 4: because we just don't have the telescope resources to do that.
Speaker 4: And I don't know if we've got the computational resources
Speaker 4: to to try and link them all together. And you know,
Speaker 4: because you get observations on different nights, you don't know
Speaker 4: if it's the same object a different object, so you
Speaker 4: have to run computer programs to see if if they
Speaker 4: have the same orbit. And uh, there's just thousands and
Speaker 4: thousands of these objects being discovered every night, especially now
Speaker 4: with the UBN telescope operating in Chile. So yeah, with
Speaker 4: statistics of small numbers, you know, it's possible that the
Speaker 4: rate of interstellar objects could increase. But I haven't really
Speaker 4: given a lot of thought, and I'm not too familiar
Speaker 4: with the globular cluster aspect of things. Uh, that's more
Speaker 4: outside my line of work. So I'm going to have
Speaker 4: to do some more research on that and more reading
Speaker 4: and find out what the prospects are for absolutely, doctor objects.
Speaker 1: No you say it, well, just like every medical doctor,
Speaker 1: we dig into specialties, and respectfully, I understand the question.
Speaker 1: But Robert, you got a final ability to give a
Speaker 1: comment or a question. And as the clock runs out
Speaker 1: here soon so I was thanking you for being part
Speaker 1: of the show.
Speaker 7: As always, I appreciate the refreshing honesty from your guest,
Speaker 7: doctor Sky, I really do. But one quick thing, how
Speaker 7: many more times would be would we have been hit
Speaker 7: by asteroids and whatnot if we didn't have Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus.
Speaker 7: And that's a.
Speaker 1: Very good question.
Speaker 7: You guys have a great night.
Speaker 1: Okay, thank you, ro n Yeah, that's a good one,
Speaker 1: Doctor Tholin, that's really fascinating.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it is a good question. I'm not sure anyone's
Speaker 4: actually done the simulations to try and answer that question.
Speaker 4: My guess is that it wouldn't affect things all that much,
Speaker 4: partly because the Earth is such a small object, and
Speaker 4: you know in space outer space is just so vast. Now,
Speaker 4: I'll make an exception for Jupiter because the gravity of
Speaker 4: Jupiter does cause objects in the main asteroid belt, especially
Speaker 4: those near mean motion resences, to pump up their eccentricities,
Speaker 4: and so yes, what used to be in a reasonably
Speaker 4: circular orbit around the Sun can have its orbit increasingly
Speaker 4: elliptical until it crosses the orbits of Mars and then
Speaker 4: the Earth, and that can certainly increase the impact probabilities.
Speaker 4: But I am not aware of any simulated you know,
Speaker 4: any kind of simulations you know with a socism that
Speaker 4: doesn't have it, to see how that would affect the
Speaker 4: impact rate.
Speaker 1: Got to ask you this before the show closes out.
Speaker 1: And if we haven't gotten to you, ladies and gentlemen
Speaker 1: on the phone line, like Frank and the Bronx, if
Speaker 1: time runs out, either stay on the line or give
Speaker 1: us a call back. Our number two continues where the
Speaker 1: open lines in the theater of the mind do continue.
Speaker 1: Of course, here's a question, and I know this would
Speaker 1: take a long time to answer, but give us your
Speaker 1: best summary. Planetary defense. We've heard about this, I know
Speaker 1: very little about this. I'd love to get somebody on
Speaker 1: the air who's responsible, if there is somebody in our
Speaker 1: own government for planetary defense. Your thoughts on this, doctor Tholon,
Speaker 1: about how to quote protect us, what can we do
Speaker 1: and what's being done?
Speaker 4: Tell us, well, the Planetary Defense Coornation Office at NASA
Speaker 4: is responsible for funding multiple sky surveys that are basically
Speaker 4: finding near objects. But they do a lot more than
Speaker 4: just fun sky surveys. There's a lot of theoretical work
Speaker 4: that is done on mitigation methods. You know, for example,
Speaker 4: if we find an object that's on a collision course,
Speaker 4: what can we do about it? And I think a
Speaker 4: lot depends on the actual size of the object, in
Speaker 4: how much advanced warning you have. You know, the bigger
Speaker 4: the object, the fewer techniques you'll have available to do
Speaker 4: something about it, and the sooner it would hit, the
Speaker 4: fewer options you have available. Because a lot of the
Speaker 4: techniques that have been discussed involve very weak forces, and
Speaker 4: so the more advanced warning you have, the more you
Speaker 4: can move an object with a very tiny force. One
Speaker 4: that's made the news is the so called gravity tractor,
Speaker 4: where you simply fly a spacecraft up near an asteroid
Speaker 4: and let the mutual gravitational pull between the asteroid and
Speaker 4: the spacecraft, and then you just fire your rocket engines
Speaker 4: and slowly pull the asteroid in one direction on That's
Speaker 4: an incredibly tiny force, But if you have one hundred
Speaker 4: years in which to do it. It doesn't take a
Speaker 4: very big force to change the area of an asteroid
Speaker 4: by enough to miss the Earth.
Speaker 1: So well, you're right about it, because there was something
Speaker 1: that happened many people don't know about the Dart mission,
Speaker 1: an impactor on the addamous dimorphos asteroid situation, and apparently
Speaker 1: doctor it either moved the little one or nudged it.
Speaker 1: So again, that was a microscopic size object. But the
Speaker 1: worst possible way, and not putting words in your mouth,
Speaker 1: would be the story that they've launched a gigantic starship
Speaker 1: type rocket with nuclear warheads and an object even the
Speaker 1: size of a pomfice. That may not be a good idea,
Speaker 1: why because of the residual left stuff coming off of
Speaker 1: it like a shotgun blast. Wouldn't that be one of
Speaker 1: the worst possibilities of pushing an asteroid or getting it
Speaker 1: away from hitting us?
Speaker 4: Your thoughts, Well, actually, there's been some science fiction stories
Speaker 4: along those lines. You know, you can have a big
Speaker 4: object and you can blow it up into a bunch
Speaker 4: of tiny pieces, and if you don't have enough time
Speaker 4: for the orbits to change by enough to miss the Earth,
Speaker 4: then all those tiny pieces are still going to hit
Speaker 4: the earth. They may not cause as much damage as
Speaker 4: a single impact would a lot of them. You know,
Speaker 4: the thing is, when you blow up an asteroid, the
Speaker 4: tendency is to get a whole bunch of small pieces
Speaker 4: and a relatively small number of big pieces. That's just
Speaker 4: the way these fractured mechanics work. And the small pieces,
Speaker 4: those will thankfully burn up in the atmosphere. You don't
Speaker 4: have to worry about those. It's the bigger pieces. You're
Speaker 4: going to have a whole bunch of bigger chunks coming
Speaker 4: down in different places. You're going to have, you know,
Speaker 4: potentially very widespread damaged, but not as powerful an impact
Speaker 4: because those individual chunks are smaller pieces of rock than
Speaker 4: you know, the original single asteroid. So yeah, there is
Speaker 4: that aspect to it.
Speaker 1: Well, doctor the Todd, the clock has run out here,
Speaker 1: but let me again thank you so much, and congratulations
Speaker 1: to you and your team on finding these objects, and
Speaker 1: particularly you'll be a very busy man, no doubt. As
Speaker 1: this countdown clock goes to a office April thirteenth, twenty
Speaker 1: twenty nine, an object that many say will be visible
Speaker 1: to the naked eye, albeit just a little bit faint
Speaker 1: in certain parts of the world, that's an unusual situation.
Speaker 1: But doctor, the most important thing I can and say,
Speaker 1: other than thank you, is that the hurricane La La
Speaker 1: passes you and the people in the island state of
Speaker 1: Hawaii without considerable damage. We understand that the millibar pressure
Speaker 1: just a little while ago was nine eighty five, which
Speaker 1: means it's not a super dense but don't let me
Speaker 1: put words in the mouth of the people who are
Speaker 1: suffering through this. So doctor, I want to thank you
Speaker 1: for joining us keep us abreast of this, and I
Speaker 1: look forward to hopefully having you back, if you would agree,
Speaker 1: as you continue to make these discoveries and collect the
Speaker 1: data on the p Office the Egyptian War.
Speaker 3: God.
Speaker 1: Thank you for your time, sir, appreciate you.
Speaker 2: I'd like to I'd like to take a bite to
Speaker 2: doctor Teller as well.
Speaker 1: Yes, please do, and your doctor you will be with
Speaker 1: us for the next hour, but please continue, go ahead,
Speaker 1: Doctor Rick.
Speaker 2: I just want to say it was a pleasure of
Speaker 2: being on the program with you, and I wish you
Speaker 2: luck in the future. And I know that you gave
Speaker 2: as much information in the way of being correct information
Speaker 2: as possible, and that's very rare nowadays unfortunately.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I hear you well. Thank you both for being
Speaker 1: there and continuing on with Doctor Carl Hurco in hour two.
Speaker 1: We have a lot of things to discuss and with
Speaker 1: you the audience, and obviously since the clock has run out,
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Speaker 1: much about what's happening in the skies. Upophus is the
Speaker 1: Greek name of Apep, an enemy of the ancient Egyptian
Speaker 1: son god Raw. He was an uncreator an evil serpent
Speaker 1: that dwelled in the eternal darkness of the Duat. He
Speaker 1: continues to rule in the minds of the great mysticism
Speaker 1: of days gone by thirty two minutes after the hour
Speaker 1: appropriate to talk about that in correlation to the mean
Speaker 1: namesake of a puff us the asteroid. As we continue
Speaker 1: with doctor Carl Hurrico and you ladies and gentlemen out there,
Speaker 1: we appreciate it in our theater of the mind. Let's
Speaker 1: continue now to go to line number two and welcome Anthony.
Speaker 1: You've been patient in Long Island. Good morning, how are
Speaker 1: you doing today?
Speaker 3: Good morning?
Speaker 5: Thank you so much for this topic. I so enjoy it.
Speaker 5: I wanted to bring to the table the advent of
Speaker 5: artificial intelligence, quantum computing, and the ability to read black
Speaker 5: holes and perhaps send signals throughout the galaxy in ways
Speaker 5: like never before. I know that we ourselves organically cannot
Speaker 5: travel to outer space. I think it's a ruse to
Speaker 5: think that we will actually be able to get to
Speaker 5: Mars or Alpha Centoria where have you. In the physical sense,
Speaker 5: our organic bodies are not capable. But our consciousness and
Speaker 5: the ability to put this consciousness out into the universe.
Speaker 5: And could that not be our own consciousness coming back
Speaker 5: at us, like when they say there's aliens, perhaps are
Speaker 5: we not all like a radio receiver? Like each one
Speaker 5: of us, our minds, bodies, and souls are receiving signals
Speaker 5: that perhaps sent from long ago through the same black holes,
Speaker 5: and that's where we sit as the receptors of that.
Speaker 5: But what I was just getting at is that I
Speaker 5: do believe with this quantum computing, where we'll be be
Speaker 5: able to send signals far beyond our ability to comprehend,
Speaker 5: and in a way that perhaps we don't even realize
Speaker 5: the effect it will have as it's projected out into
Speaker 5: the universe, because there might be other beings or something
Speaker 5: else that will receive what we're sending like we receive now,
Speaker 5: you know, it would seem as though, well, yeah, thanks.
Speaker 1: So Anthony, it's amazing. You should write a sci fi
Speaker 1: book on this, because that interesting because you can't prove
Speaker 1: anything yet in science fiction, it has to be proven
Speaker 1: and put into practical application. Doctor, what Anthony's talking about,
Speaker 1: it's pretty fascinating stuff. What would be your take on that?
Speaker 1: It's interesting?
Speaker 2: Well, it's fascinating, but again I would put it right
Speaker 2: now into the category of being sci fi rather than
Speaker 2: nactual reality because to do something of that nature, he's
Speaker 2: a big jump in technology. And although the AI is
Speaker 2: really accelerating as time goes on, you might see something
Speaker 2: like that in the near future. Maybe I won't put
Speaker 2: there are other people that will be saying it in
Speaker 2: the future. So yes, I wouldn't make any kind of
Speaker 2: a sort of a claim or comment on something of
Speaker 2: that sort yet until we see the development of AI
Speaker 2: a little more so that we get a better idea
Speaker 2: to grasp on what things might be practicartically possible.
Speaker 1: Well, Anthony, you bring up something very interesting here. Look
Speaker 1: at it this way. From quantum computing, which we really
Speaker 1: don't understand. It's you know, total capability. But what if,
Speaker 1: like you might be proposing in a direct way, what
Speaker 1: if AI could you be utilized excuse me, to be
Speaker 1: able to understand how to warp space time. So, in
Speaker 1: other words, what you're saying about sending information out to
Speaker 1: these distant places in the universe, that would be just
Speaker 1: amazing if it could move backward and forward in time,
Speaker 1: as if it was some sort of celestial messenger. You
Speaker 1: get the last word, Anthony, bring up, you bring up
Speaker 1: some good stuff, Go ahead, please.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Well, well, I believe our yearning to travel throughout space,
Speaker 5: time and space, we can't do it in the physical sense,
Speaker 5: but we can do it by transferring our consciousness, and
Speaker 5: the whole universe is consciousness. Everything has a some sort
Speaker 5: of receptor that allows it to function and to live.
Speaker 5: You know, a spider builds a web and you didn't
Speaker 5: go to college to learn how to do it. So
Speaker 5: there is some sort of there is, There is an
Speaker 5: intelligence already among us. But I also know that all
Speaker 5: all life as we know it will self destruct before
Speaker 5: it reaches that apex of intellectual prowess to get to
Speaker 5: that perhaps place, so that the race is on with
Speaker 5: regard to our before we destroy ourselves to get to
Speaker 5: that that point of of And I think that's where
Speaker 5: we're headed. I mean, I no doubt that that all
Speaker 5: of this can't be a coincidental occurrence. There has to
Speaker 5: be a force of nature that has driven us to this,
Speaker 5: to this point of where we find ourselves. But like
Speaker 5: I say, I do believe the space program is a
Speaker 5: little bit dubious because I mean, those disastronauts that were
Speaker 5: up there got stuck up there for nine months before
Speaker 5: Musk was able to get a rocket up to bring
Speaker 5: them back. I mean, they're hell in a handbag. I
Speaker 5: mean they couldn't. I mean these people are. I mean,
Speaker 5: they're they're prone to cancers and sickness and and they're
Speaker 5: bodies just can't do it.
Speaker 4: So what else?
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, here's one thing to me that, Yeah, we
Speaker 1: hardly give homework on this radio show or this as
Speaker 1: we talk about theater with the mind, but here's something
Speaker 1: maybe you want to investigate and maybe the listeners do.
Speaker 1: Our good relationship that I had with doctor Edgar Mitchell
Speaker 1: of Apolo fourteen. Unbeknownst to myself at the time when
Speaker 1: I met him and talked with him, he was the
Speaker 1: head of something called the Noetic Institute, and if you
Speaker 1: look up Noedic Institute, he was responsible over something called
Speaker 1: quantum hologram. And in the simplest way I can explain
Speaker 1: it because of the time element. Here he was saying
Speaker 1: in this very interesting way that everything in the universe
Speaker 1: is connected, as if you had like the spiderweb that
Speaker 1: you talked about, but it had different planes in there,
Speaker 1: different dimensional planes. So check that out, everybody listening, if
Speaker 1: you're fascinated what Anthony brought up, I think that's a
Speaker 1: good way to start, wouldn't you agree, Doctor Hurrico, that's
Speaker 1: pretty fascinating.
Speaker 2: Well, certainly we have to start from someplace, and absolutely
Speaker 2: a lot of the findings that come to fruition started
Speaker 2: in that way.
Speaker 1: Amazing. Let's continue with the callers here. We certainly appreciate
Speaker 1: everybody on line one. We go to Edgar in the Bronx.
Speaker 1: You've been patient. Good morning. How are you on this
Speaker 1: early Sunday.
Speaker 6: I'm fine, Thank you. Doctor. I just want to get
Speaker 6: your take, you and your guests take on the frequency
Speaker 6: of earthquakes and the severity of them these last several months.
Speaker 6: It's like there's an earthquake every week, almost yes.
Speaker 3: And.
Speaker 6: They're like on the Richter scale going up to seven
Speaker 6: seven point something, and he thoughts why this might be happening.
Speaker 1: Now, well, I'm going to give you my well not
Speaker 1: expert a guess on this. But here's something. If you
Speaker 1: stay tuned next Saturday night into Sunday morning, the next
Speaker 1: week's show, we do one on Friday midnight to two
Speaker 1: am Saturday, and then of course Saturday night into Sunday
Speaker 1: too am eastern daylight time. We'll have doctor Christine Gulay.
Speaker 1: She's responsible that the you know, as far as an
Speaker 1: we're going to get her. She's been a very hard
Speaker 1: person to get so she's going to be talking about
Speaker 1: the frequency of these earthquakes. But it's so interesting, some
Speaker 1: have said, and good doctor will comment that because of
Speaker 1: the activity of the Sun, and the Sun of course
Speaker 1: rules and produces all the weather, but changes in the
Speaker 1: Earth's orbit, changes in what's going on in the core
Speaker 1: of the Earth, this dynamo of liquid material. Who knows,
Speaker 1: but the ring of fire is really really going powerful.
Speaker 1: What would you say, doctor Rico on this? This is
Speaker 1: amazing because she'll be on from the USGS, the United
Speaker 1: States a geological survey, So stay tuned next week on
Speaker 1: that one, Edgar. But quickly your thought, doctor Hurrico, on
Speaker 1: the frequency of these.
Speaker 2: Earthquakes, Well, all parts of the Earth are connected. There's
Speaker 2: been categorized as being spheres. The biosphere, the hydrosphere, the atmosphere,
Speaker 2: the cryosphere. All these spheres interact and as a result,
Speaker 2: they influence and affect each other. And along with that
Speaker 2: you have the tectonic plates that are shifting back and forth,
Speaker 2: which causes the earthquakes.
Speaker 3: And so.
Speaker 2: I would point my finger to the activity of those
Speaker 2: tectonic plates. Since the Earth is a dynamic kind of planet,
Speaker 2: all kinds of activities and processes going on in the
Speaker 2: interior of the Earth, which is also cooling to a
Speaker 2: certain extent. So all these things come into place, and
Speaker 2: I think you mentioned the thing involving the idea of
Speaker 2: the position of the Earth in orbit. Our orbit changes,
Speaker 2: our spinning changes, you know, rotation, our axis, axis of
Speaker 2: the Earth will change over times. So all these things
Speaker 2: come together and as a result influence what's occurring on Earth.
Speaker 2: So it's not only one kind of event that occurs,
Speaker 2: it's many, I think, all coming together.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, you're very good commentary questions and we'll have on
Speaker 1: doctor Christine Gulay. That's what we're expecting on our Saturday
Speaker 1: Midnight at two am Sunday next week, and she, of
Speaker 1: course is the expert in the room in the theater
Speaker 1: of the mind on that. But thank you for calling.
Speaker 1: We do appreciate your interest in the show. Let's go
Speaker 1: to line. I don't know what line it is, but
Speaker 1: let's go to Patrick in New York City. You're on
Speaker 1: the air on the Doctor Sky Experience.
Speaker 8: Good morning, Good morning, doctor Scott.
Speaker 6: Thank you for taking my call.
Speaker 8: Appreciate your show, very interesting and formative and you have
Speaker 8: very interesting guests, all from Manhattan.
Speaker 2: I have a two possible question.
Speaker 8: First one is how fast exactly all he's asteroids traveling,
Speaker 8: And second part is if a doomsday scenario were to
Speaker 8: actually occur. There's been some popular movies that dearize that
Speaker 8: we could possibly change the direct trajectory by using very
Speaker 8: powerful explosives or something.
Speaker 2: Is that a possibility.
Speaker 1: Well, let me jump on this one quickly because the
Speaker 1: clock is going to run out just before this as
Speaker 1: we go to the heartbreak Patrick. The interesting asteroidal speeds.
Speaker 1: You're talking hundreds of thousands of miles an hour, all
Speaker 1: dependent on the shape of the object, the size, and
Speaker 1: what the good doctor in the first hour, doctor Solden
Speaker 1: was trying to describe. I know, we didn't have enough time.
Speaker 1: There's something called the Yarkovsky effect. Now it sounds like
Speaker 1: something people make up, you know, in a room just
Speaker 1: to impress people. But what's the Yarkovsky effect. It says
Speaker 1: that because an asteroid is not a perfect sphere, you know,
Speaker 1: like a little ball bearing or a big ball bearing,
Speaker 1: the differential heating that you get on this shaped object,
Speaker 1: like if he took a potato and smashed it, you know,
Speaker 1: or a rock that you see outside the differential heating
Speaker 1: changes the motion of that asteroid. So in other words,
Speaker 1: if you predict that something's going to go straight, like
Speaker 1: if you shot a perfectly formed bullet out of a
Speaker 1: rifle and you get the velocity in feet per second
Speaker 1: or whatever, this is very interesting because it's not a
Speaker 1: round object and it has the capability of doing what
Speaker 1: it wants to do, and that could be very disastrous.
Speaker 1: Not to alarm people, that's an interesting thing. So asteroids
Speaker 1: moving at a speed well within say one hundred thousand
Speaker 1: miles an hour. It's all dependent on size. And I
Speaker 1: mentioned before that a gentleman who I knew, Maybe he's
Speaker 1: still there, doctor J. Milash at the University of Arizona.
Speaker 1: You may want to check. His name is J. M. Elosh.
Speaker 1: He has an asteroid impact calculator. So you go in
Speaker 1: this thing and you plug in the numbers and it'll
Speaker 1: tell you what kind of residual effect it would have
Speaker 1: that came in at a certain velocity. So Patrick, before
Speaker 1: we go to the break, I hope we answered you
Speaker 1: on that. Much more to come here on the Doctor
Speaker 1: Sky experience. Still time to get in on the conversation.
Speaker 1: One eight hundred and eighty four eight nine two two
Speaker 1: two as we get right back to doctor Carl Urico,
Speaker 1: we'll be right back.
Speaker 4: On an astromer at the University of Hawaii and one
Speaker 4: of the co discoverers of the asteroid Apothus. You're listening
Speaker 4: to the Doctor Sky Show.
Speaker 1: Forty seven minutes after the hour, we wrap up our
Speaker 1: number two saying to say, but we have many people
Speaker 1: that'd like to talk with you, doctor Hurrico. But before
Speaker 1: we do that, you never had an opportunity to explain.
Speaker 1: You were looking at this particular galaxy seventy seven million
Speaker 1: light years away, and in its field of view you
Speaker 1: obviously saw something that's called a quasar, which is even
Speaker 1: more fantastic. I mean, just to get time on that
Speaker 1: giant telescope is amazing. What was the purpose of viewing
Speaker 1: this galaxy and this object we called a quasar near it?
Speaker 2: Well, based on the Red Ship determination of distance, it
Speaker 2: was determined, as you mentioned before, that the galaxy is
Speaker 2: closer to us than the quasar and they could be
Speaker 2: no kind of chance of material connecting the two because
Speaker 2: of that distance. And what Alton Ark was saying, he
Speaker 2: was saying that in fact they are close together and
Speaker 2: the other astronomers are getting the long distance determination by
Speaker 2: using the red ship, and so he questioned using red shift.
Speaker 2: That was the idea of the whole project, and that's
Speaker 2: why I picked up on I wanted to use the
Speaker 2: telescope in order to see if I could determine or
Speaker 2: get some information regarding whether or not they were connected
Speaker 2: or not connected. And that's why it was called discordant
Speaker 2: red shift as a.
Speaker 6: Matter of fact.
Speaker 2: And the quasar, you know, a quasar, of course, is
Speaker 2: a galaxy that has a tremendous amount of energy coming
Speaker 2: out of the center because of a massive black hole.
Speaker 2: So it's really a galaxy, but it's one that has
Speaker 2: the energy coming out of its nucleus in any case,
Speaker 2: So the idea being I wanted to get information about
Speaker 2: whether or not they were connected.
Speaker 7: Well, let's do this.
Speaker 1: I'm going to take liberty on this one and go
Speaker 1: ahead the whole concept of red shift. So we can
Speaker 1: explain this to the listening audience. If an astronomer is
Speaker 1: looking through a telescope visually, you're not going to see
Speaker 1: this thing called so they take a thing called a spectroscope.
Speaker 1: I know you know this, doctor, the audience may not,
Speaker 1: and they'll take an image. It's like a little slit
Speaker 1: like a you know, a prism, let's say, and you'll
Speaker 1: get all these lines that are on there the chemical
Speaker 1: elements of what that particular object is made of. So
Speaker 1: the farther to the right, or the red shift as
Speaker 1: they call it, that this object is, it shows a
Speaker 1: greater speed of receding out into the universe.
Speaker 7: As you know.
Speaker 1: So if you had a blue shift, you would see
Speaker 1: objects moving towards you. So the red shift is something
Speaker 1: that maybe is not easily understood. But I gave it
Speaker 1: my best shot. How did I do? I hope I
Speaker 1: did good?
Speaker 2: Oh, very good. As a matter of fact, it is
Speaker 2: the idea of looking at spectral lines in a spectrum
Speaker 2: right through a spectroscope which is attached to a telescope,
Speaker 2: and as a result, those lines will shift away from
Speaker 2: the element that produces those lines in the first place. Correct,
Speaker 2: So they compare it to the original lines where nothing
Speaker 2: is moving towards us or away from us. Use that
Speaker 2: as a standard when they get light coming from various
Speaker 2: objects in space having their own spectrum of that show
Speaker 2: and in terms of those lines moving towards the red
Speaker 2: side or moving towards the blue side, and as a result,
Speaker 2: by that distance between the basic information in the spectrum
Speaker 2: you get from an element compared to what you're getting
Speaker 2: from the star. If you compare the distance, you can
Speaker 2: figure out the distance of the object you're looking at.
Speaker 1: Very well said, let's go to line number four. He's
Speaker 1: been patient, Alexi and queens a regular caller to the
Speaker 1: Doctor's Guy Experience. How are you doing, Alexi? Thanks for
Speaker 1: jumping in.
Speaker 9: Yes, yes, stuck the sky, and good evening for you
Speaker 9: and your skiffs. I've been listening to your show now
Speaker 9: for its entirety, and I am very surprised, right the
Speaker 9: calls and the various topics about inter dimensionality.
Speaker 3: Such.
Speaker 9: Various concerns.
Speaker 7: You know, we are, I have to say this Reel.
Speaker 9: We are in the infancy of our development mentally physically,
Speaker 9: we have another million years to go before we've become
Speaker 9: what is conventionally they're personal civilized. And meanwhile we are
Speaker 9: becoming ultimately so intoxicated and he's.
Speaker 4: Peculiar, and of those.
Speaker 9: Views of science and physics and such.
Speaker 4: We have gotten drug on it.
Speaker 7: And I fear for the worst.
Speaker 9: Because we are losing our perspective. As for the planet, Look,
Speaker 9: what do you want? You're on a globe that has
Speaker 9: been around for over four billion years. You're going to
Speaker 9: have all kinds of problems and all kinds of benefits.
Speaker 9: So you take it a day at the time, and
Speaker 9: all these bizarre speculations about the world with this in
Speaker 9: the world, with that, much of it is the.
Speaker 1: Positivity we're hopefully broadcasting here. No, I agree, Look at
Speaker 1: this doctor, you get the last word on this. Sorry, Alexi,
Speaker 1: we're kind of closing out the show here. We don't
Speaker 1: like to say that, but I wanted to get the
Speaker 1: good doctor to respond to you if he could. You
Speaker 1: hear him clearly. I just wanted to make sure you
Speaker 1: heard everything.
Speaker 3: He was saying.
Speaker 2: Yes, Yes, I heard him clearly.
Speaker 3: Yes.
Speaker 5: Well.
Speaker 2: The idea being that as it's presented now, when information
Speaker 2: is given for some reason, it's given with a full
Speaker 2: background of sensationalism. That's what the problem is. And I
Speaker 2: suppose scientists requesting various grants for their research also have
Speaker 2: to sort of embellish what they're doing research on to
Speaker 2: a certain extent order to get the grants. That's how
Speaker 2: it's given usually. And so as far as our development,
Speaker 2: it's pretty hard to determine what our development is other
Speaker 2: than from oh, say, a guessing game science fiction to
Speaker 2: a certain extent, because we don't know how far we
Speaker 2: could go, because we haven't gone there yet, so we
Speaker 2: really don't know. We have to sort of predict to
Speaker 2: a certain extent based on how things are going now,
Speaker 2: otherwise we can't do it very well. Otherwise will before.
Speaker 1: You're in an infant stage. You're right, Alexi, Alexei, thank
Speaker 1: you for being part of the show. I always appreciate
Speaker 1: you and honest observations on there with the main goal
Speaker 1: of our show is to how do I say this
Speaker 1: to instill in it dav celebrity guests and of course
Speaker 1: stories of American exceptionalism, about truth, just us in the
Speaker 1: American way. And again I want to thank owner and
Speaker 1: operat it so many it could fill so many many
Speaker 1: hours here on the radio, Doctor Herrico tell us more.
Speaker 1: How can people get in touch with you? You obviously
Speaker 1: have a podcast. How do people get in touch with
Speaker 1: doctor Carl Heroico.
Speaker 2: Well, they can go on the Spotify or any other
Speaker 2: kind of a podcast platform like Speaker, s b R
Speaker 2: e A k e R and get into Carl's or
Speaker 2: karl Apostrophy s orbit and you'd get some of my
Speaker 2: past podcasts and information like that where I did have
Speaker 2: the opportunity to speak to various kinds of astrophysicists and
Speaker 2: scientists of that sort about various kinds of topics in
Speaker 2: cosmology and information about other areas of astronomy as well.
Speaker 2: So that's how you can get the information.
Speaker 1: Oh, it's amazing. It's an honor to have you. And
Speaker 1: as we open up our minds on all these different subjects,
Speaker 1: I wanted to end off the show. And if we
Speaker 1: haven't gotten to you, ladies and gentlemen, we do apologize.
Speaker 1: I know the popularity of our guests and we just
Speaker 1: say thank you for being patient and hopefully in our
Speaker 1: next iterations that we can get everybody on in what
Speaker 1: we call the theater of the Mind. But I want
Speaker 1: to give out a website that I've been very much.
Speaker 1: I'm not involved in it. It's not mine, but it's
Speaker 1: one that I consider if we were rating different websites
Speaker 1: in the night sky again, the skylive dot Com. It's
Speaker 1: done by a young student, I believe, a graduate student
Speaker 1: in Italy. But if you go to the skylive dot com,
Speaker 1: why am I telling you this is important? Because it
Speaker 1: has something for everyone you don't have to have an
Speaker 1: advanced degree in this. This is more for observational nostrum.
Speaker 1: Talking about that and hopefully with the people that run
Speaker 1: the still active Voyager mission. November eighteenth, the Voyager spacecraft
Speaker 1: will be now some sixteen billion miles away and in
Speaker 1: every day simple English, it's one light day away and
Speaker 1: it's still working, right Carl, that's incredible. And the stories
Speaker 1: we've had at the Gentleman to develop, yeah, it's amazing.
Speaker 1: And the golden record we've had the gentleman John Lomberg
Speaker 1: on here who work with Carl Sagan. Check it out, folks,
Speaker 1: the Skylive dot com something for everybody out there, which
Speaker 1: obviously gives us greater understanding of the wonders of the
Speaker 1: nighttime sky. Thank you, doctor Carl Hurrico, appreciate you, and
Speaker 1: also doctor David Tholan, hope he's doing well. And the
Speaker 1: good folks out on our island state out there in
Speaker 1: the Pacific Ocean. As this particular hurricane called La La
Speaker 1: the Hawaiian translation what it means in Earth language it
Speaker 1: means limb of a tree and that to find out.
Speaker 1: But the hurricane now I gather, Doctor Hurrico, thank you
Speaker 1: for joining us the Theater of the Mind.
Speaker 2: Thank you for inviting me.
Speaker 1: Check out sky A quick update on the nighttime sky.
Speaker 1: As everybody tells us. We find out that the percy
Speaker 1: of meteor shower is waning. We find out the Venus
Speaker 1: the brightest object in the northwest sky. Take a look
Speaker 1: at it if you have a tell