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Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode of the

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Epstein Chronicles. There's a new report out from Wall Street

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Journal and several other outlets about Katherine Rumler, who used

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to be Barack Obama's White House counsel and her deep

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ties to Jeffrey Epstein. Now, you folks are certainly familiar

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with the name. We have several episodes where we've talked

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about Katherine Rumler and her ties to Epstein and how

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she was a key cog as far as the Washington

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DC machine goes, and Epstein's tapping into it. Well, now

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she's getting called on the carpet once again, and the

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spotlight is directly on her. So in this episode, we're

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going to begin taking a look at this CNN article

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about Katherine Roumler and why she's now taking center stage

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when it comes to Jeffrey Epstein. This article was published

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by CNN and the headline new court document asserts former

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Obama White House casel advised Jeffrey Epstein during critical reputational

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and legal battles. This article was authored by m Stock

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and Andrew Kazinski. Recently unsealed federal court filing suggests that

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Kathy Rumler a former White House counsel to President Barack

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Obama and now the top lawyer at Goldman Sachs acted

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as a key legal advisor to Jeffrey Epstein during some

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of his most perilous moments, raising questions about our public

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account that their relationship was limited and informal. She lied, Okay,

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point blank period she lied, And I think that the

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emails bear that out. The kind of emails that were

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being sent back and forth between Rumler and Jeffrey Epstein

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are not the kind of emails that are informal or limited.

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She was giving them legal advice, and she was also

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obviously a very good friend of his. And of course

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the legacy media is going to make it out like

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they had no idea, but they did. We all did.

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Everybody knew that Catherine and Jeffrey Epstein were close, and

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the emails just gave us the receipts to back up

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everything that we thought previously. Rumler was among the many

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high profile names who appeared in a trove of Epstein

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emails and text messages released last November. As CNN's k

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File reported, she was one of the most frequently referenced,

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with more than one hundred exchanges between her and the

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convicted sex offender over several years. Rumler's name also appeared

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repeatedly on Epstein's schedule for planned meetings between twenty fourteen

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and twenty nineteen while she worked at the law firm

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Latham and Watkins. The recent filing is part of a

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civil lawsuit brought by Epstein victims against the executors of

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his estate, which is seeking to shield thousands of emails

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from disclosure by asserting attorney client privilege, which is so disgusting.

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Imagine being the executors of the estate and still trying

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to protect your buddy Epstein. Now that's what you would

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think they were doing, right, But doing that, they're really

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protecting themselves because we all know that Indike and Cohn,

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they have their own questions that they need to answer,

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and we know that they've already been sued by multiple

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survivors for their role in enabling Jeffrey Epstein's bullshit. And

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as far as Indike Go's, his name is littered on

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all these contracts, on all of these financial statements, and

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somehow this man's avoided a lot of scrutiny. But he shouldn't.

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Do you think that if this was the mafia, and

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some lawyer had his name all over all these documents.

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The DJ is just gonna shrug and be like, ah,

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you know what, no big deal, that's cool. We're not

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gonna go after him. We're gonna give him a pass.

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That's not what they do, right. If they're going after

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an organization, they look to take everybody down, and if

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your name is on paperwork especially, you're going to be

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left hold in the bag. But somehow when it comes

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to Jeffrey Epstein, that's not the case. Privilege would not

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typically apply, experts say, to correspondence between profess sational acquaintances

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discussing business, the kind of limited informal relationship Rumler says

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that she had with Jeffrey Epstein. So it can't be both, right,

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was it informal or were you working for him? Because

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if it was informal, then you're not protected by attorney

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client privilege. But if you were working for him, then

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you've been lying this whole entire time. So which one

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is it? Miss Rumler in arguing why the contents of

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those emails should remain confidential. The state's filing portrays Rumler

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as one of a small group of lawyers repeatedly consulted

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by Epstein as he faced mounting legal exposure and damaging

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press coverage in the years leading up to his twenty

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nineteen arrest. Now, look, if it was just legal advice,

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that's no big deal. She's a lawyer and that's her job.

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But it was much deeper than that, and you can

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see it in the emails for yourself. These two had

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a very very tight relationship. And how far that relationship went, well,

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that's anyone's guests. But there's no doubt that it was

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more than informal or an employee employer type of thing.

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These were people that were intimately aware of each other,

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and Rumler certainly knew about Jeffrey Epstein's life and what

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was going on in it. According to the estate's description

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of the emails, Roumler was involved in advising Epstein on

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a range of topics, including efforts to preserve his controversial

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two thousand and eight Plea deal, drafting and shaping propose

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public statements, editing correspondence with the US Senator, and even

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discussions relating to victim settlements. Seems a little bit more

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than informal to me, No, and it's not just you know,

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basic help. She's actively looking for a way to help

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screw the survivors. What do you think it means when

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she's giving him help with the settlement? Do you think

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that that's going to be more favorable for the survivors

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or do you think Rumler is going to whip something

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up that's more favorable for her client and her buddy,

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Jeffrey Epps. We all know that this lady doesn't give

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a shit about Epstein's crimes or the people that they

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were perpetrated against. All she cares about is the access

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and the money. In October of twenty sixteen, Jeffrey Epstein

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sent an email to his longtime lawyer indicating Kathy Rumler

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would weigh in on a statement. According to a record

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of Attorney Client privileged documents, the log shows Roumler was

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added as a recipient on a related email thread less

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than an hour later. Yeah, we're not intimate friends. I

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hardly know the guy as she's getting deep in the

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weeds with his most intimate secrets. Tony Fratto, a spokesperson

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for Goldman Sachs, where Rumler works as the general counsel

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for the bank, said in a statement it's irresponsible and

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wrong for CNN to draw conclusions about the content of

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communications from brief and generic descriptions of emails that you

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haven't seen. Kathy was not involved in the privileged desertions

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or the descriptions in the log As Kathy has told

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see before, she never represented Epstein and never advocated on

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his behalf to a third party. She was one of

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many prominent lawyers he informally reached out to for advice.

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Just another person with nothing to see here, folks, nothing

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at all. She had no idea, She didn't know who

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Jeffrey Epstein even was. And isn't it amazing that all

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the smartest people in the room end up being really

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fucking stupid when it comes to Jeffrey Epstein. I think

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it's pretty telling all these people with so much to

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say about so many things, all of a sudden have

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nothing to say when they're outed as one of Jeffrey

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Epstein's buddies. On Monday, The Wall Street Journal reported that

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a senior Goldman Sachs executive discussed preparing a contingency plan

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for Rumler to leave following reporting on her past highs

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to Epstein. The characterization the bank strongly denied, Well, yeah,

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she's perfect for the financial sector. The scummier you are,

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the better you're positioned to make moves. Let me be

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very clear, there is not a bigger villain when it

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comes to this topic or any other topic. Really, then

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the financial sector as we suffer, as we struggle through

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each day, these sons of bitches are swimming through their

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money like Scrooge McDuck, knowing that they're never going to

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be accountable for anything, whether that's a financial meltdown or

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enabling a human trafficker like Jeffrey Epstein. Their bill never

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comes due, and the financial sector is going to continue

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to do whatever they want to do because nobody's ever

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going to hold them accountable. Notably, the email descriptions also

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assert that Roumler was among a group of attorneys who

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worked with Epstein in twenty fifteen to push back on

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a planned Good Morning America interview with one of his

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most outspoken survivors, for Junior Roberts. Epstein estate claims that

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Roumler helped draft a legal letter sent to ABC News

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in April of twenty fifteen threatening legal action if the

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piece aired, which it never did, and that was the

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piece that was quashed. The Amy Robot piece, you know,

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the one where she said she had everything and they

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ended up killing it. Well, here's why. When you have

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these kinds of lawyers stepping up for you, chances are

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things are going to turn in a direction that's favorable

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to you. So when we talk about how Epstein wasn't

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able to do this on his own, this is what

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we're talking about. People like Roomler, people that are around

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him that are helping facilitate his bullshit. And there were

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so many people like this that were around him on

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a regular basis that were helping him do things like

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this that it's not even funny. And that doesn't mean

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that everybody that was helping him out is somebody that's

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involved with the conspiracy or with the criminal empire. But

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somebody like Roumler once again has lied about their relationship

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with Jeffrey Epstein. And now the question is why what

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are you hiding? Because if things are what you said

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they were, then there shouldn't be any issue. Right. I

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hardly knew the guy. I sent him a few emails,

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that's it. But we know that's not what's going on here,

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and we know that it's much deeper. CNN and now

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found that Rumler is included in more than thirty emails

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in the Privileged log which showed thousands of entries between

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Epstein and his attorneys from as early as two thousand

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and eight through July twenty nineteen. The logs were provided

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as part of an ongoing civil suit by two alleged

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victims against the executors of Epstein's estate. And you should

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certainly expect a lot more attention to be turned to

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the estate because there's a lot of people out there

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that still have grievances that haven't been dealt with. And

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now that Epstein's gone, people are going to go after

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the estate. And they should. When all is said and done,

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that estate shouldn't have one single dollar or asset left

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to it. It should all be distributed to the survivors

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who were abused by Jeffrey Epstein with the help of

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all of his buddies. While there are often a handful

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of people in those emails, including lawyers and sometimes a

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journalist and a public relations crisis professional, there are more

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than one hundred and fifty emails between just Roomler and Epstein. Ah,

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come on, folks, this is overblown. They weren't really friends,

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just like he wasn't friends with the Clintons, just like

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he wasn't friends with Donald Trump, just like he wasn't

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friends with Steve Manuchin, just like he wasn't friends with

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insert person trying to rewrite history here, because that's what

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they're all trying to do, rewrite history. Far from a

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passive observer who was added to an email chain among

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Epstein's lawyers, Roomler appears in the log as an active participant.

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In many instances, she's listed as the sender of at

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least one hundred and thirty five of those emails, according

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to the Privileged Log. Now, have you ever sent just

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an acquaintance one hundred and thirty five emails? Maybe out work, right,

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somebody that you're dealing with at the job or whatever,

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But in your professional life outside of work, if you're

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having that kind of back and forth, unless there's a

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project you're working on, chances are your friends, right, and

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when you read the emails, there's no doubt that that's

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what comes out. These two were certainly friends, and they

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were certainly working behind the scenes to try and help

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Jeffrey Epstein out of the jam that he found himself in.

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And now that Rooumler has been outed. Well, she wants

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to make pretend that it was just, you know, a

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basic relationship where there was nothing really going on and

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everything's just being overblown. Well, the problem with that is

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the contemporaneous emails and the facts don't match up with

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what Rumler and her people are trying to pitch to us.

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The recently released logs suggests that Rumler played a far

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bigger role in advising Epstein than previously known, adding critical

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details to the portrait that emerged from the trove of

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messages released by the House Oversight Committee in November. While

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those messages displayed a level of being familiar and at

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times friendly banter between Rumler and Epstein, the description of

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the privileged logs indicate something far more extensive, a relationship that,

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on its face and according to experts, appeared to be

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that of an attorney and a client. Well I'm certainly

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not an expert, but that's what it appeared to be

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to me. Certainly appeared to be the relationship between an

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attorney and a client, and certainly good friends. So I

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don't know where anybody gets off reading those emails and

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thinking that this was just a very basic back and forth,

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Because that's not what it was. And honestly, I'm shocked

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at CNN is going this deep on this topic, but

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I'll definitely tilt my cap to him because it's important.

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It's important to understand just how powerful Epstein was through

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these proxies that he was collecting, and I think people

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need to understand that he had a special relationship with

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each of them in hopes of extracting whatever he wanted

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from them, and that was how Jeffrey Epstein always operated,

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and he knew that having a heavy hitter on the

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team like Catherine Ruemler was only a bonus, so he

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roped her in. In response to questions about a relationship

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with Epstein, Roumler told CNN last month she did not

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represent him and was not compensated by him. I was

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one of a number of lawyers Epstein formally reached out

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to for advice, Ruemler said in her statement to CNN,

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adding that she did not advocate on his behalf to

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third parties and not the press, not a court, not

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a government official. Rumler herself did not respond to additional

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requests for comment for this piece. Well did you expect

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her to maybe through you know, a spokesperson, not her herself.

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She doesn't want to step in it any deeper than

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she already has, because if you think that this is

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going to end here, you're crazy. Especially with the lawsuit

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that's been filed against the estate, She's probably going to

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get subpoened to be deposed. Now, if it makes it

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that far, we'll have to see. But if it does

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accelerate and it continues to move forward, I would expect

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Katharine Rumler to be called to testify. That's why this

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is being brought up right now because it was mentioned

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in the court documents that were filed by the survivors

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who are suing Epstein's estate. So all of it goes

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hand in hand. And one thing that I've learned throughout

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the years following this case and covering it, the ultimate

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equalizer is a deposition. None of these people want to

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be under oath ever, because they understand the jeopardy that

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they put themselves in, because all of them, breaking news,

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have been lying to you about their relationships with Jeffrey Epstein.

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Rumler has characterized her relationship with Epstein, who died in

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jail in twenty nineteen while awaiting trial on federal sex

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trafficking charges as limited and professional. She said she only

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knew him as a business referral source. Epstein in turn,

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once referred to Rumler as my great defender. Well both

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can't be true right now. Epstein is a notorious liar,

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no doubt about that. But we have the emails that

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back up what he said about his relationship with Rumler,

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So that makes Rumler a liar too. Rumler has also

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repeatedly said she regrets ever knowing Epstein, and she told

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CNN last month she had no knowledge of any new

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or ongoing on lawful activity on his part. Well, yeah,

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what else is she gonna say? I knew everything he

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was doing. I was in the know, and I just

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sat there and didn't do anything about it. Does that

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sound logical? Remember this lady is a lawyer, so she's

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gonna look to, you know, slither her way out of

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this fork tongue her way out of this one. And

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the truth is she'll probably be successful. And I hate

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being so cynical, but history has proven to us time

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and time again that people like this are never held accountable.

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All right, folks, we're gonna wrap up part one right here,

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and in the next episode, We're gonna pick up where

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we left off. All of the information that goes with

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this episode can be found in the description box. What's up, everyone,

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and welcome to another episode of the Epstein Chronicle. In

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this episode, we're going to pick up where we left

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off with the CNN article talking about Catherine Rumler once again.

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This article was authored by m Steck and Andrew Kazinski.

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While the contents of the emails remain sealed, the log

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offers a window and now Epstein and his attorneys navigated

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some of his most perilous legal and media battles after

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this two thousand and eight conviction and incarceration for soliciting

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prostitution from a minor. And how in the hell is

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that even a thing? I mean, I know, I always

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say it all the time, but it's so disgusting. A

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minor can't be a prostitute. They can't even consent, so

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how can they be a prostitute? The five hundred and

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thirteen page privileged log was provided in a suit against

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Darren Endyke and Richard Kahn, who served as Epstein's attorney

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and accountant. The pseuit alleges the two acted as co

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conspirators and facilitating Epstein's sex trafficking crimes, which the too

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have strenuously denied. A lawyer for the men told The

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New York Times they emphatically reject the allegations of wrongdoing

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in the lawsuit and called the claims baseless and legally frivolous.

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Oh I have my doubts about that. I mean, how

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can you have your name littered all over all this paperwork.

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How could you be the one that's in charge of

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paying out the girls and still act like you have

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no idea what Epstein was giving those girls that kind

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of money for their conversational skills because they were great messuses.

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Come on, none of it's logical. They'll try and make

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it be logical, but if you look at it from

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a normal perspective, a normal human being, none of it's logical,

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None of it makes sense, and none of it is

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even close to being acceptable. There's no indication that Ruemler

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is part of the effort to shield the emails from

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the public by asserting attorney client privilege. She's maintained that

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she was not Epstein's attorney her law firm at the

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time a correspondence Laytham and Watkins previously told CNN Epstein

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was never a client of the firm, so that's a

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gray area. Right. Maybe he was a personal client of

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Catherine Rumler and they had some kinds of handshake deal.

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How would we know because of attorney client privilege, Right,

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that's certainly something that needs to be taken into account.

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And while I don't have a document that I can

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point to and say, hey, look, she took a retainer

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fee from Epstein, when you look at the emails, it's

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hard to come to any conclusion but that and either way,

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it looks really bad for Roumler because she's lying either way.

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And like I've said a million times, now, if you're

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lying about this, what else are you lying about? Latham

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and Watkins did not respond to multiple requests for comment.

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Rumler joined the firm in the summer of twenty fourteen

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and left in twenty twenty to work at Goldman Sachs.

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Nothing like heading back to the financial sector for that

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big ass bag. She fits in perfectly there too, right,

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I mean, if you had a relationship with Jeffrey Epstein,

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that's the right fraternity for you. But according to experts,

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CNN spoke with Rumler's assertions that she was not his

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attorney do not matter when it comes to attorney client privilege.

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It's the client who asserts privilege. Attorney client privilege is

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the privilege of the client with regard to any communication

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made to someone for the purpose of legal advice. It

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does not matter if there's a formal representation, document or

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an agreement, said Ken Brown, a professor at the University

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of North Carolina School of Law. If, for example, Epstein

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reached out to Rumler for legal advice and she gave it,

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those communications could be considered privileged, and he knew that,

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and so did she. So all the bullshit, all the posturing,

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all the nonsense, more lies. I don't know about you,

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but I've had my fill of lies. Wouldn't it be

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nice if somebody just told the truth every now and then.

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It's in the mind of the client that matters. But

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the client would have to have both a reasonable expectation

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that the person would provide legal advice to them and

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that the statement was being made in confidence. Brown said

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Rumler's assertions that she was never compensated by or represented

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Epstein also do not mean that she wasn't providing them

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legal counsel or advice. In some capacity. You don't need

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to be compensated by someone to establish an attorney client

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relationship number one, said Elise Mizell, an assistant professor of

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law at Michigan State University College of Law and an

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expert on attorney client privilege. Mizell also said Rumler could

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be viewed as having attorney client relationship with Epstein even

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if she never signed a formal engagement letter or represented

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him as his counsel in a particular lawsuit. Yeah, if

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you go to a lawyer for advice, that's confidential, right,

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and that's what they're counting on here. Oh, it was

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just advice. There was nothing formal, no agreement, blah blah blah.

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But whether formal or not, according to reports and the emails,

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Rumler was helping Epstein come up with ways to go

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after the survivors to make it so he didn't have

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to pay as much, to make it seem like Epstein

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was the one that was the victim. And if Rumler

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wasn't doing that in the capacity of a lawyer, she

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was doing that in the capacity of a private citizen,

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which makes it all that much worse for me. As

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a lawyer, you're expected to do some shit for your clients, Right,

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You're going to pitch a narrative, You're going to try

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and build a case that's favorable to the person that

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hired you. So, while I think sometimes it's morally reprehensible,

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it's their job. But if you're doing it out of

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the quote unquote kindness of your heart because it's your friend,

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what does that make you? Well, in my opinion, it

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makes Rumler a disgusting individual. At the very least, that

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doesn't mean that there wasn't an attorney client relationship established

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such that the privilege could apply. Mizelle Said insistence that

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she was not compensated by Epstein places the extensive legal

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work described in the filings in the realm of pro

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bono representation. Such unpaid work by attorneys like Rumler, who

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made twenty two and a half million in twenty twenty

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four as Goldman Sachs chief legal officer, is often worth

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tens or even hundreds of thousands of dollars. That work

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is typically reserved for poor clients or public interest matters,

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not for a wealthy convicted sex offenders. Yeah. Usually pro

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bono work is when one of these big time lawyers

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takes on a case where they think they can get

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some tread from it, where they're going to get some

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good publicity, and where they think that they have an

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opening to maybe make some dough. But as far as

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pro bono goes, you don't see it all the time,

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certainly not for human traffickers right or sex offenders. But

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when it comes to Rumler, I guess that's what was

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going on. The newly unsealed filing suggests that Rumler's involvement

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went far beyond casual and informal work. Rather than a

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distant professional acquaintance, the record portrays her as a trusted

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legal confidant, repeatedly consulted at moments when Epstein's legal and

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reputational stakes were the highest. So that tells us that

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he really trusted Rumler her advice and what she thought

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was the best course of action. Right. If he's going

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to her when the stress is the most and when

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the heat's really on, it's because he thinks she could

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help him. And remember the team of lawyers that this

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man had around him. So would it shocked you to

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find out that Obama's White House counsel was also in

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the mix. Power gravitates toward power and it doesn't matter

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what side of the aisle you're on. Among the most

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consequential work described is a legal memorandum. The estate says

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that Rumler is sent to Epstein in twenty fifteen analyzing

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in federal lawsuit that threatened to unravel is controversial two

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thousand and eight non prosecution agreement that had shielded him

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from federal charges. Roumler sent an email to Epstein in

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May of twenty fifteen, according to the log, with the

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subject line CBRA Memorandum four sixteen fifteen PDF. Thelog describes

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the entry as providing memorandum containing legal advice. Well that's interesting, huh.

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Imagine being the lawyer that's helping Jeffrey Epstein keep that

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NPA in place and then acting like you had no

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idea what's going on. It's obvious to me that Catherine

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Ruemler should also be subpoena and put under oath. What

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did she know, when did she know it? And just

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how deep did that relationship go with Epstein as far

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as personal and professional. Other entries placed Rumler in discussions

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about correspondence with lawmakers as political scrutiny intensified in early

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twenty nineteen, as general Republican Senator Ben Sass of Nebraska

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pressed the Justice Department to investigate how federal prosecutors handled

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Epstein's case. Thelog describes multiple emails in which Rumler provided

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legal advice on a proposed response. Does that sound like

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a friend or a lawyer? You have the walls closing

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in on you, You have people asking about the NPA, you

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have congressmen trying to get to the bottom of it,

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and you turned to Rumler. That tells me that somebody

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that you really trusted and you held in your confidence.

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One entry shows Roumler sending Epstein an email with the

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subject line suggested edits. The estate's description reads Attorney client

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communication regarding draft correspondence with Senator Ben Sass. The attachment

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is titled letter to the Honorable Ben Sass. A newly

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unsealed court filing shows Kathy Rumler and Jeffrey Epstein exchange

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in an attorney client privileged communication regarding a letter meant

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for then Republican Senator Ben Sass, who was pressing the

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Justice Department at the time to investigate federal prosecutors handling

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of the Epstein case. One entry in the log indicates

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Epstein relied upon Rumler to take a first pass at

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drafting public statements responding to allegations against him. In an

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email sent on October ninth, twenty sixteen, Epstein wrote to Endyke,

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his longtime lawyer, that he was waiting for Kathy's first

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pass of a proposed statement addressing what the estate later

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described as inaccurate sex abuse claims in the media. I'm

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sure that Rumlor had nothing to do with that. Huh,

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nothing to do with building a narrative to help protect

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Jeffrey Epstein. Now just ruminate on that for a minute

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and then ask yourself if you believe it, because the

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documents show us that Rumler was right in the mix.

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Just over thirty minutes later, according to the Privileged Log,

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Rumler was included as a recipient on a related email

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thread discussing the same draft outline, which suggests her direct

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involvement in reviewing or shaping the statement. Yeah, that's exactly

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what it suggests. And is there any doubt that Kathy

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Rumler needs to be under oath? I mean, come on,

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do you really trust the nonsense that they're telling us,

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especially considering that we have the emails that really go

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against the narrative that they're trying to pitch. The email

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logs also provide previously unreported details about a crucial incident

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that held Epstein avoid public scrutiny of his sex crimes

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at a time when he was attempting to rehabilitate his reputation.

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In early twenty fifteen, ABC News was preparing to air

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a lengthy on camera interview with Roberts, who was among

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the first to publicly accuse Epstein of sex trafficking and abuse.

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And I remember talking to Virginia about this very issue,

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and she was very clear that ABC, without a shadow

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of a doubt, killed it to protect their access. Imagine

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our reporting on the Jeffrey Epstein story because you wanted

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to save your access to the royals. When Epstein learned

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of the interview in April of twenty fifteen, he quickly

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gathered his attorneys on an email chain. Among them was Rumler,

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who in the previous year had left her job in

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the Obama White House and was working as a high

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dollar attorney at Lathaman Watkins. The log says that in

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late April of twenty fifteen, Roomler was across more than

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a dozen emails appearing to discuss the ABC News interview.

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The emails are sometimes described as negotiation with a media

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outlet to prevent false allegations from being aired, and had

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to deal with media coverage of claims against Epstein false

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allegations huh more like a false narrative that you are

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trying to run to kill those allegations. One email between

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Epstein and his associate Claim Maxwell, in which Rumler is

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listed as an attorney, is described in the log as

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attorney client communication regarding Good Morning America interview with redacted.

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A copy of ABC's comment request Epstein was included in

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the files released by the House Oversight Committee. The request

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contained a detailed summary of Robert's allegations, including claims at

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Epstein's actually abused her beginning when she was a teenager,

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trafficked other underage girls, and arranged sexual encounters with powerful men.

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Among them, according to Roberts, was then British Royal Prince Andrew,

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who was stripped of his royal titles last year over

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his association with Epstein. Rumler is listed as sending several

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emails to Epstein and as attorney Martin Weinberg on April

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twenty second and twenty third twenty fifteen. At least one

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email chain that Rumler sent Epstein and his council has

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a subject line privileged and confidential, suggesting that she made

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the decision to characterize the exchange as an attorney client

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privileged conversation. She attached a document called letter to ABC Draft,

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seemingly adding her initials to the document's name. The April

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twenty third email is described by the estate as communication

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providing draft of a letter to the press seeking to

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correct the record. The following day, April twenty fourth, twenty fifteen,

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Weinberg send official letter to ABC News on Epstein's behalf,

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a copy of which was released in November by House investigators.

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In the letter, Weinberg argued that Robert's allegations were uncorroborated, outdated,

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and contradicted by other evidence, and warned ABC News that

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airing the interview would be grossly negligent or worse. If

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ABC has concerns about our credibility with respect to any allegation,

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it must decline to republish all of her allegations. The

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letter from Weinberg read and ABC did it? Can you

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imagine whoever made that decision is a piece of shit? Weinberg,

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who has in the past denied that Ruemler represented Epstein,

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told CNN, I regret that I cannot discuss any communications

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for which the estate has claimed privilege. The ABC News

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interview never aired. Roberts, who died by suicide last year,

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described in her published memoir feeling proud to have done

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the interview and devastated that it never aired. I had

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been defeated once again the people I was trying to

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speak out against, and I couldn't help but wonder if

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a media giant like ABC could be shut down in

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its attempts to reveal the truth, was there any hope

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for survivors like me? Years later, a League twenty nineteen

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recording captured then Good Morning America co host Amy Robock

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expressing frustration that the segment was not broadcast. We had everything,

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Robock said. Robock declined to comment to CNN. A spokesperson

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for ABC News pointed CNN to a past statement on

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the incident. At the time, not all of our reporting

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met our standards to error, but we have never stopped

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investigating the story. What that means is they got scared

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by Jeffrey Epstein's lawyers and Prince Andrew and the royal family.

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That's what it means. And when we're talking about people

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that helped protect Jeffrey Epstein, when we're talking about people

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that helped enable Jeffrey Epstein, then in my opinion, Katherine

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Rumler certainly is on the list. So the question obviously

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is where do we go from here. My advice this lady,

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put her in front of Congress and let's see what

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she has to say. Do I think that's going to happen? Well,

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that's a whole last other conversation altogether. All of the

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